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| 00:36.47 | niklauz | hello channel |
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| 00:42.46 | niklauz | i know there isn't any new info, but does anyone have a release prediction? |
| 00:43.43 | SpeedEvil | Beware the aides of march! |
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| 00:44.50 | mwester | Total and complete silence from all involved. |
| 00:45.19 | niklauz | i don't expect celestial horns :-) |
| 00:45.21 | rtm | I'll bite - I'm betting the release is exactly one year after the release of the neo1973. |
| 00:45.32 | niklauz | i'm just waiting (trying to be patient) like everybody else |
| 00:45.47 | niklauz | rtm, hasn't that already past? |
| 00:45.59 | rtm | I don't think so. |
| 00:46.13 | rtm | But I may be wrong. |
| 00:47.45 | niklauz | i'm surprised there isn't any other more substatial info lately. monitoring a couple feeds seem to be mostly musings |
| 00:49.30 | mwester | Actually, I'm beginning to wonder if anyone has realized that now that the GTA02 is about to be released, we still have no software to make a phone out of it! |
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| 00:50.03 | SpeedEvil | Ssssh! |
| 00:50.21 | rtm | niklauz: According to slashdot, the neo1973 went on sale Jul 8, 2007. That roughly matched my memory too. |
| 00:50.45 | mwester | So we have a couple of months, then. |
| 00:50.47 | niklauz | mwester: i think i follow you thinking. i would have expected some framework whitepapers, or maybe an sdk-type thing |
| 00:51.23 | DeoX | where do i get a open-phone in Mexico |
| 00:51.34 | DeoX | ? |
| 00:51.36 | mwester | I think the Qtopia stuff will be the software that will make it a phone, first. Which is rather interesting... |
| 00:51.55 | niklauz | rtm: ah i see, thats interesting |
| 00:52.24 | mwester | But even with Qtopia, there are several large holes remaining between the software stack and the OS -- suspend/resume, specifically. |
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| 00:52.54 | niklauz | mwester: oh u meant to make phone calls? i thought that already existed, i've seem dial test, and a gui dialer |
| 00:53.19 | mwester | I guess I'm puzzled that nobody has really been working to plug those holes, or even seems unduly interested in the work of those in the community who might be trying to plug those holes. |
| 00:53.56 | SpeedEvil | mwester-trip: I've said before that there is massive assumption that 'there must be people at OM doing this'. |
| 00:54.05 | SpeedEvil | (I think). |
| 00:54.25 | mwester | niklauz: Rudimentary functionality exists, but it is buggy, slow, and built on a framework that has been publicly declared obsolete and dead (gsmd) |
| 00:54.35 | niklauz | cringe |
| 00:54.38 | SpeedEvil | And if you're not told that they're not, and as there has been a history of code appearing from the sky, why would you work on it? |
| 00:54.44 | niklauz | didn't know that |
| 00:55.13 | niklauz | i can only hope they are secretive to maximize the 'wow' effecto f a new release |
| 00:55.24 | mwester | SpeedEvil: I fear you may be correct. |
| 00:55.24 | SpeedEvil | Which is fucking insane. |
| 00:55.32 | SpeedEvil | Absolutely insane. |
| 00:55.56 | SpeedEvil | Unless they have an iphone class software - and I extremely doubt they do - they are relying on the community. |
| 00:56.14 | rtm | They don't have iPhone class hardware. |
| 00:56.18 | SpeedEvil | And making the community less likely to do stuff for you... |
| 00:56.34 | SpeedEvil | rtp: the hardware could in some ways compete with the iphone. |
| 00:56.44 | mwester | The only strong community effort of which I am aware is the dbus-based software stack being developed to replace gsmd, but that is still in the specification stages, no? |
| 00:57.03 | SpeedEvil | If sufficient investment or time was pushed into doing so. |
| 00:57.36 | mwester | thinks it's better to compare the device to the Nokia N800 than an iPhone |
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| 00:57.59 | SpeedEvil | By iphone-like, I mean so that someone can pick it up and say 'wow'. |
| 00:58.42 | rtm | SpeedEvil: Hasn't the glamo fiasco pretty much ruled that out? |
| 00:58.44 | SpeedEvil | Personally I expect the release to be around the end of the month, with little consumer oriented fanfare. |
| 00:59.00 | SpeedEvil | rtp: it's ruled out it being nice and easy to use. |
| 00:59.21 | SpeedEvil | rtm: You can still do nice slide/wipe effects and such. |
| 00:59.38 | mwester | feels badly for raster; to end up working with such a crippled hardware design must be very frustrating. |
| 01:00.47 | SpeedEvil | Based on my impression of what rasters been saying - you can do a lot if you dropped down into 320*240 mode when you need fast-moving glitz. |
| 01:01.25 | rtm | To me, the most puzzling thing is why they could not make the Freerunner quad-band. |
| 01:01.34 | mwester | anyway, bbiab. Or maybe not, maybe I'll just go code a real-time interrupt handler to make the GSM work correctly (!) (crappy design for a GSM) |
| 01:01.34 | SpeedEvil | But again - this would all be predicated on a large blob of shiny dropping from the sky - something that is unlikely IMO. |
| 01:01.51 | SpeedEvil | rtm: history |
| 01:02.39 | SpeedEvil | rtm: As I understand it, first GTA02 hardware was already out when it was discovered GTA01 is triband. |
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| 01:03.03 | rtm | SpeedEvil: But.. but.. but... they did several board revs after that, I think. |
| 01:03.13 | SpeedEvil | rtm: yeah - it wasn't noticed. |
| 01:03.27 | rtm | That's a big thing not to notice. |
| 01:03.29 | SpeedEvil | rtm: and it's a fairly major change. |
| 01:04.12 | SpeedEvil | rtm: Sure - but this is very much a low-budget effort - there isn't the 'normal' testing of every aspect of a phone or huge design team. |
| 01:04.58 | SpeedEvil | And as I understand it - none of the testing happened in a 850MHz only area, so it wasn't found straight away. |
| 01:05.15 | rtm | Well, I sure wish them well. I've had lots of fun with my GTA01. |
| 01:05.37 | SpeedEvil | I suspect that a big part of the decision not to make it quadband was the hope that they might be a couple of revs only away from a workable phone. |
| 01:05.57 | SpeedEvil | And going quadband might likely push that out another couple. |
| 01:06.37 | SpeedEvil | And have added another couple of months on the availability date. |
| 01:07.06 | niklauz | there is alot about this effort that seems contradictory/confusing |
| 01:07.18 | SpeedEvil | Doing significant changes on a board that 'almost works' is scary. |
| 01:07.38 | SpeedEvil | As you can way too easily get to a board that doesn't. |
| 01:08.04 | niklauz | for example there is a lot of infrastructure for organizing and delivering information, but it's rarely used for substational official info/coordiation, but mostly people on the outside looking in |
| 01:08.55 | SpeedEvil | I suspect the initial hope was that office policy was going to be different. |
| 01:09.11 | niklauz | so desperate for info that it becomes cluttered with rumors and unanswered questions |
| 01:09.14 | SpeedEvil | And they are in fact hamstrung by policies handed down by FIC. |
| 01:10.11 | niklauz | i wish them much success. i'm just frustrated because I delayed replacing my phone based on the original release schedule |
| 01:10.38 | niklauz | i'm not sure if i should get a new smart phone and check back in 18 months or wait |
| 01:10.48 | SpeedEvil | At the moment - the software is basically functional - most of the time - for basic SMS and calls. |
| 01:11.04 | SpeedEvil | I haven't investigated the PIM - 'today' and friends. |
| 01:11.39 | rtm | My '01 is a functional phone, but I don't talk a lot, and I don't mind recharging daily. |
| 01:11.42 | niklauz | are you speaking of the gta01? |
| 01:11.57 | SpeedEvil | niklauz: GTA01, and likely state of GTA02 on launch |
| 01:12.13 | niklauz | how's the battery life? gta01 doesn't have wifi right? |
| 01:12.33 | SpeedEvil | 20h++ in suspend, and no. |
| 01:13.18 | rtm | niklauz: That's right. No wifi. I like in the US, but the no 850 hasn't bitten me. I always get coverage in the Boston area. |
| 01:14.29 | niklauz | rtm, i'm in the US too, im not super worried about the 850 band issue either, it's mostly middle state rural areas no? I live in baltimore |
| 01:15.43 | rtm | niklauz: I think you're right. In any event, the '02 will come in a version with both US bands, but only one non-US band. |
| 01:16.54 | SpeedEvil | rtm: has it been stated which non-US? |
| 01:17.05 | SpeedEvil | Or can you pick :) |
| 01:17.18 | rtm | I think they drop 900 and add 850. |
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| 02:16.13 | niklauz | later all |
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| 05:48.33 | Tuju | When? |
| 05:48.44 | doc|home | when what? |
| 05:48.50 | Tuju | shop opens. |
| 05:49.14 | Tuju | https://direct.openmoko.com/ |
| 05:49.40 | patoh | Tuju: when the FreeRunner is released? |
| 05:49.45 | doc|home | large scale production starts may 9th |
| 05:49.56 | Tuju | doc|home: ah, that's news! |
| 05:50.00 | doc|home | 9th - 16th |
| 05:50.06 | Tuju | ack |
| 05:50.22 | rtm | doc: Wow - that's a scoop! |
| 05:50.49 | doc|home | what can I say, I'm in the know (I read the mailing list :P ) |
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| 05:50.54 | Tuju | doc|home: perhaps opening the shop for pre-orders already? |
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| 05:51.08 | doc|home | Tuju: nope, not until completed. |
| 05:51.10 | doc|home | afaik |
| 05:51.16 | Tuju | ack |
| 05:51.49 | rtm | doc: Do you know how many will be fabricated in the initial run? |
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| 05:52.27 | doc|home | rtm: nope |
| 05:53.00 | Tuju | rtm I'd guess that "large scale production" stands for continuous manufacturing. |
| 05:53.57 | mmontour | Meanwhile, GSM firmware issues continue to appear... (e.g. #1380 in OM bugzilla) |
| 05:54.09 | kario | is it feasible to use gsmd on a regular laptop with nokia phone connected to /dev/rfcomm0? |
| 05:54.36 | Tuju | http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1380 |
| 05:57.13 | mmontour | I wouldn't be concerned if we were able to field-upgrade the firmware, but it looks like that will not be possible. |
| 05:57.30 | Daemonax | License issues? |
| 05:58.44 | mmontour | License for sure, maybe also technical ones such as special hardware (but I don't know the details). |
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| 06:06.10 | mbuf | kario, AFAIK, that should work |
| 06:06.50 | mbuf | kario, instead of /dev/ttySAC0, you just use /dev/rfcomm0 |
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| 10:12.38 | berkus | mwester: ahhh, i mixed it up with GTA02 GPS chip! |
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| 10:27.05 | SpeedEvil | mmontour: there is no special hardware needed - it's dofware only |
| 10:27.14 | SpeedEvil | (to upgrade modem furmware) |
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| 10:39.37 | SpeedEvil | s/u/i/ |
| 10:40.06 | diego_at_work | much better :D |
| 10:40.16 | mjr | yesyes |
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| 11:50.50 | folken | does anybody know wheter there are still debug boards available for ordering? My mail to sales, has sofar gone unanswered. |
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| 11:58.57 | roh | folken when did you send it? |
| 11:59.12 | folken | roh: some time in january. |
| 12:00.23 | diego_at_work | row: read the topic ^^ |
| 12:00.29 | diego_at_work | *roh |
| 12:01.59 | folken | roh: i can easely send one again, the question is just wheter there are still debug boards available. |
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| 12:02.53 | roh | folken just resend it. probably it got lost in rt somewhere |
| 12:03.14 | roh | we changed the targets for these addresses now to people directly |
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| 12:09.38 | folken | roh: i resent an email. thx. |
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| 12:13.41 | toxygene | folken: www.pulster.de |
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| 12:18.46 | folken | toxygene: thx, but odering anything from germany to switzerland is expensive, a tax and logistical nightmare. |
| 12:19.54 | toxygene | i´m sorry |
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| 12:20.21 | folken | toxygene: not your fault, but we should talk to our governments. :) |
| 12:20.33 | toxygene | :-) |
| 12:20.57 | folken | toxygene: last time i ordered something.. 60.- CHF "tax office handeling charge" |
| 12:21.01 | diego_at_work | 1) meet a girl in germany |
| 12:21.13 | diego_at_work | 2) ask her to buy a neo for you |
| 12:21.15 | diego_at_work | 3) ??? |
| 12:21.18 | diego_at_work | 4) profit! |
| 12:21.22 | toxygene | i hate our politicians |
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| 12:21.49 | toxygene | 60 chf -how much is this in euro? |
| 12:22.04 | folken | diego_at_work: its actually cheaper to order a neo in USD than in EUR and ship it half way around the globe. |
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| 12:22.55 | toxygene | thats crazy |
| 12:23.13 | folken | 60 Swiss francs = 36.916377 Euros |
| 12:23.25 | folken | according to google. |
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| 12:23.54 | toxygene | it´s realy a nigthmare |
| 12:24.21 | folken | and then there is the vat |
| 12:24.38 | folken | basically you should be able to order without vat from a german store |
| 12:24.45 | diego_at_work | probably, if they sell it at 399 euro ^^ |
| 12:25.05 | toxygene | yes |
| 12:25.25 | folken | then they give you a form which you show the local tax office.. they charge you the swiss cat (7.6% the german one is 19.XX%) |
| 12:26.10 | folken | that would be the optimal process. |
| 12:26.22 | spyre | mickey|zzZZzz: should call status signal have phone number parameter? |
| 12:26.25 | folken | s/cat/vat/ |
| 12:27.01 | toxygene | afk |
| 12:27.17 | folken | but then you have to think out, is s&h included or not, (varies according to product), is it a production or prototype.. |
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| 12:38.05 | SpeedEvil | spyre: there are devices out there with two radios AIUI. |
| 12:38.28 | SpeedEvil | spyre: If anyone is likely to be running linux on them, I don't know. |
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| 12:40.43 | spyre | SpeedEvil: ? |
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| 12:44.42 | roh | folken if youre after vat.. well.. in the eu one always pays source-country vat. and for swiss it should be no eu-vat, but you propably have to pay swiss vat on reciept |
| 12:45.05 | roh | somebody in luxemburg should open a distributor ;) |
| 12:47.38 | folken | roh: yeah, but thats just the tax office. swisspost additionally charges: 10.- Handling Fee, 6.- Examiniation Fee, and if you are unlucky: 8.- Chf storage fee. |
| 12:48.11 | folken | http://www.ezv.admin.ch/zollinfo_privat/zu_beachten/00351/index.html?lang=en |
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| 12:48.28 | roh | irgh |
| 12:48.59 | roh | thats evil.. i only pay vat everytime i recieve a device, regardless if from the us or from tw |
| 12:49.59 | roh | even the same for ups and dhl... and they all don't have change with them.. and then want vat in 'abgezaehlt' ;) |
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| 13:03.30 | flexd | bmk sucky internet? :/ |
| 13:06.01 | mickeyl | morning boys and girls |
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| 13:08.15 | mickeyl | spyre: call status: properties should only contain changed states. This means, the number will only be present once in properties when it comes because of a CLIP. If you need the full status, just call GetCallStatus |
| 13:08.45 | mickeyl | this is because i don't want to send static properties every time a call changes its status |
| 13:09.00 | mickeyl | could be a long package |
| 13:09.07 | mickeyl | who knows which properties we will come up with ;) |
| 13:09.22 | mickeyl | If you think that's awkyard, i will reconsider. But lets first try it that way |
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| 13:16.48 | spyre | mickeyl: you're correct.. I was just feeling lazy/making sure when getting dictionaries/GHashTable to work with dbus glib bindings :) |
| 13:17.08 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 13:17.42 | mickeyl | i will migrate gsmd2 and add your keys later today |
| 13:17.50 | mickeyl | will send you a mail, when it's done |
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| 13:19.40 | spyre | mickeyl: ok great, I get this "paranoid" feeling when working without any version control :) |
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| 13:27.52 | mickeyl | :)) |
| 13:27.54 | mickeyl | same here |
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| 14:23.08 | pabs3 | whats wrong with the wiki? |
| 14:23.23 | pabs3 | I get 404 for every page |
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| 14:25.39 | jmichel | pabs3: same problem here |
| 14:25.48 | SpeedEvil | hopes. |
| 14:26.08 | jmichel | pabs3: There has been a lot of change on the wiki recently so I guess they are updating it |
| 14:26.10 | SpeedEvil | It might be presto-chango - for the release. |
| 14:26.26 | SpeedEvil | crosses his earlobes. |
| 14:28.28 | mwester | is far beyond hope, and in the happy land of skepticism that lies beyond. |
| 14:29.27 | SpeedEvil | sds: http://www.8051projects.net/dc-motor-interfacing/introduction.php may be of use to you |
| 14:29.28 | SpeedEvil | oops |
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| 14:36.37 | diego_at_work | wiki is at http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php/Main_Page |
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| 16:15.53 | donomo | i hope someone is fixing the wiki |
| 16:16.47 | CM | This might have something to do with it: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1123 |
| 16:17.23 | donomo | hmm. what im seeing looks like a DNS bug. wiki.openmoko.org goes to bugzilla |
| 16:17.43 | abraxa_ | donomo: Yeah, the wiki was updated today, it'll solve itself over the day |
| 16:18.25 | donomo | k. |
| 16:18.48 | abraxa_ | You can use 88.198.93.221 in the meanwhile |
| 16:18.51 | donomo | im excited that mass production looks to be started in a week. |
| 16:19.13 | abraxa_ | Got a source? (I don't read community ML) |
| 16:19.31 | donomo | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-May/016740.html |
| 16:19.40 | donomo | "After we complete the test on the Pre MP, if we hit the Yeild numbers required, we start MP on the 9th at the earliest!. So, I'd put the window at May 9 to may 16th. Just to be accurate. " |
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| 16:21.07 | berkus | jeez |
| 16:21.10 | berkus | jumps |
| 16:21.51 | abraxa_ | donomo: Thanks for the heads up :) |
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| 16:25.59 | emre__ | high folks where can I find the event values returned from the read call to the /dev/input/event2? |
| 16:26.47 | roh | donomo the wiki got fixed ;) thats the source of the symptoms youre experiencing |
| 16:26.49 | roh | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-May/016777.html |
| 16:27.51 | donomo | roh: ah cool i see the ip address. thx |
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| 16:58.07 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03mdt * r1197f8342497 10/pyneod/ (40 files in 3 dirs): seperated new module pyneo |
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| 17:14.20 | zedstar_ | ooooh pretty diagram http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework#Architectural_Overview |
| 17:15.48 | summatusmentis | I wanna sleep |
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| 17:19.18 | mortenlysgaard | Does anyone know if the event api will support dragging and gesturelike things? Thinking of how intuitve this is when using a touch screen phone |
| 17:20.03 | kinneh | hi all does anybody got current build running WITH X11 ? |
| 17:20.16 | kinneh | my loads but ends with a text login :-( |
| 17:20.46 | kinneh | from 2008-05-01 |
| 17:23.50 | linuxxr | then there will be the tuning of the software before release |
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| 17:43.01 | abraxa_ | kinneh: If you ssh into it, run /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm (or so) it should start and from then on always start |
| 17:43.10 | abraxa_ | YMMV, but that's how it worked for me |
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| 18:13.04 | ccfly | hi there ! :> |
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| 18:14.34 | abraxa_ | Heya ccfly |
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| 18:25.02 | kinneh | abraxa_: oh, thx! |
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| 19:13.00 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * rc9d948a1e05e 10/ophoned/pygsm/ (6 files): python-ophoned: merge with upstream |
| 19:13.00 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r25ed3a7a2625 10/ophoned/pygsm/ (6 files): |
| 19:13.00 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: Revert "python-ophoned: merge with upstream" |
| 19:13.00 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit c9d948a1e05e71da6cdb5eb4a794979998364e9c. |
| 19:13.02 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * rbfc72e2c1073 10/ophoned/pygsm/ (6 files): |
| 19:13.04 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: Revert "Revert "python-ophoned: merge with upstream"" |
| 19:13.06 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: This reverts commit 25ed3a7a26250201c878b70a32d4f589122ac0a6. |
| 19:13.08 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r1330e32daa3c 10/ophoned/pygsm/ (7 files): python-ophoned/pygsm: remove bogus executable bits, add TODO file |
| 19:15.04 | mwester | 's head spins as he tries to sort out reversions of reversions... :D |
| 19:15.13 | mickeyl | hehehe |
| 19:15.14 | mickeyl | sorry |
| 19:15.29 | mickeyl | not skilled enough with git yet |
| 19:15.32 | mickeyl | 2nd day |
| 19:16.08 | woglinde | *g* |
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| 19:20.05 | ewon | http://www.youtube.com/v/5s5EvhHy7eQ&hl=en |
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| 19:40.50 | kdean06 | ewon, Oh yeah? http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZfBURhHNpmk |
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| 20:14.34 | CIA-43 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickey * r0d5cc0963e63 10/ophoned/ (modem.py objects.py): python-ophoned: first combinated function GetInfo now works (minus error and timeout handling) |
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| 21:11.40 | israel | so |
| 21:11.46 | israel | how freerunner looks? |
| 21:12.07 | israel | will be @june,2k8? |
| 21:12.25 | SpeedEvil | 2800 is probably a bit pessimistic. |
| 21:12.42 | israel | heh, u re joking, right! |
| 21:13.02 | SpeedEvil | points at the man who (probably) knows. |
| 21:13.11 | SpeedEvil | (but isn't saying) |
| 21:13.17 | israel | looks around, but didnt see him online! |
| 21:14.05 | SpeedEvil | It's been said that end may looks likely. |
| 21:14.44 | israel | same been said at february... it looks for beginning of may! |
| 21:15.46 | israel | but, can i ask, how many active developers openmoko have? |
| 21:15.55 | israel | expect mickey.. |
| 21:17.08 | SpeedEvil | That must be it! They're all snowboarding, which is why there is no work being done. |
| 21:17.29 | SpeedEvil | votes for sedentary developers that sit at computers all day. |
| 21:17.38 | israel | damn |
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| 21:25.55 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: Admit it - you're just jealous because you weren't invited to go snowboarding with them ;) |
| 21:28.09 | mmontour | My openocd-native build is failing in do_patch() - http://pastebin.ca/1008679 |
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| 21:31.46 | israel | lol |
| 21:31.50 | israel | speedevil pwned! |
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| 22:10.05 | ccfly | Look at the latest community update |
| 22:10.15 | ccfly | and stop your bitching ! ;) |
| 22:10.23 | ccfly | good night |
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| 22:27.40 | spydon | Tyra mai... err... COMMUNITY UPDATE! |
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| 22:56.38 | fenfir | will the free runner work with the motorola wall chargers since it is able to charge through usb? |
| 22:58.05 | Qwell | fenfir: there isn't much to a motorola wall charger |
| 22:58.17 | Qwell | it's pretty standard usb stuff, afaik |
| 22:58.47 | fenfir | kk, thanks |
| 22:59.04 | Qwell | the real question there is whether it can do fast charging or not |
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| 23:06.31 | mjr | the real question is whether it can do fast charging automatically without overrides |
| 23:07.55 | Qwell | ^ what he said |
| 23:08.04 | Qwell | ahh, open source ;) |
| 23:10.14 | mjr | IIRC the mailing list indicated that the resistor check is software controlled (if it's on the same pins as on the neo), so one may well be able to cook up code to which you can "show" a charger and go "this is good for 500mA" or "1000mA" |
| 23:10.18 | mjr | but we'll see |
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| 23:17.18 | SpeedEvil | Or more simply, if a power source appears, and it's not a computer, charge from it at 500mA |
| 23:17.54 | SpeedEvil | Which will cause problems with very few devices, chiefly plugging into suspended busses. |
| 23:17.55 | mjr | Well, yeah. |
| 23:18.40 | mjr | though a check is nice for 1A stuff :] |
| 23:18.45 | SpeedEvil | Sure. |
| 23:19.53 | SpeedEvil | But 500mA charge isn't too bad - full charge in a couple of hours when not active. |
| 23:20.01 | mjr | no, it's not bad |
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