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| 00:40.36 | saleh | hi all, I was trying to build openmoko but the following error appeared http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9336/ can any one help me ? |
| 00:44.15 | abraxa_ | saleh: Can you show your build/conf/local.conf, please? |
| 00:44.27 | mmontour | saleh: your build/conf/local.conf needs the line: MACHINE = "om-gta01" (or presumably "om-gta02" if you want to build for the Freerunner) |
| 00:46.15 | saleh | abraxa: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9340/ |
| 00:46.51 | saleh | mmontour: can I build for gta01 or not ? |
| 00:46.54 | abraxa_ | saleh: As mmontour said, fic-gta01 was changed to om-gta01 |
| 00:48.24 | saleh | abraxa: will it work for Neo 1973 ? |
| 00:48.29 | abraxa_ | Yeah |
| 00:48.38 | abraxa_ | Just the name is different |
| 00:49.03 | saleh | abraxa: mmontour: thanks very much for your time :) |
| 00:51.57 | abraxa_ | You're welcome |
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| 05:08.08 | mmontour | Bah, monotone.openmoko.org is refusing connections (although it's pingable). |
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| 05:20.04 | roh | mmontour i am on it |
| 05:21.02 | mmontour | roh: thanks. Earlier I was also getting do_fetch failures on linux-openmoko; don't know if it's related. |
| 05:23.38 | spyre | mickey|zzZZzz: org.freesmartphone.Call.ListCalls should propably have a signature of a{i(sb)} for it to work since dbus-binding-tool doesn't like the current signature. |
| 05:24.19 | roh | mmontour buildhost ran out fo diskspace.. again |
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| 05:27.37 | mmontour | Well, "full" is the natural state for a disk. I put a terabyte drive into one of my PCs last year and it's about 80% full now. |
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| 05:30.07 | roh | mmontour well.. such disks are quite useless for us. too slow and too error prone for 24/7 usage |
| 05:30.18 | roh | without raid1 nothing goes |
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| 05:55.49 | holymoly | hallo |
| 06:00.20 | nab | waves |
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| 07:04.58 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:05.04 | J-23 | hello |
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| 07:22.10 | Elessar_81 | hello |
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| 07:23.27 | lpps | hi |
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| 07:27.05 | lpps | does anybody know where could I buy a GTA01? it seems that not from direct.openmoko.com :( |
| 07:27.35 | Elessar_81 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:27.35 | Elessar_81 | @lpps : i think the gta01 is sould out |
| 07:28.40 | lpps | yep, that much I gathered :) ... any alternative places that could ship them? apart from eBay, I mean |
| 07:30.38 | Elessar_81 | no i dont think so, everyone is waiting for the freerunner |
| 07:31.52 | lpps | and does anybody have any hints about the release date of the freerunner? |
| 07:32.17 | Elessar_81 | it will be shipped soon ;-) |
| 07:33.26 | lpps | heheheh... "soon" is a bit undetermined :-P |
| 07:34.16 | Elessar_81 | jep, but it claims to be ready ;-) |
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| 07:36.02 | lpps | ok, we'll wait then :-/ |
| 07:36.06 | lpps | thanks, pal |
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| 07:38.07 | ynezz | I can sell you my GTA01 for $250 |
| 07:39.06 | borg_ | lpps: http://cgi.ebay.de/FIC-OpenMoko-Neo1973-Linux-Smartphone-Developer-Dream_W0QQitemZ110246508790QQihZ001QQcategoryZ22344QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 07:39.16 | ynezz | it's that advanced kit including debug board and case |
| 07:39.27 | ynezz | price was $450 |
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| 07:44.13 | ScaredyCat | pulster(?).de |
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| 09:02.41 | tobe002 | hi |
| 09:03.38 | tobe002 | i am a fun of linux so i want to have a cellphone use linux as os .... |
| 09:05.36 | tobe002 | but i am a new in linux so .....a question is anyone who can tell me when will freerunner on sale and how much ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, |
| 09:07.03 | J-23 | FreeRunner will cost $399 |
| 09:07.39 | woglinde | tobe002 seems it will be selled this year |
| 09:07.50 | tobe002 | o .......thank you |
| 09:08.38 | tobe002 | and i am in china how i can get it |
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| 09:09.44 | woglinde | tobe002 hm you will be able to order it via a webshop |
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| 09:09.57 | J-23 | Will be FreeRunner transported directly to users from Taiwan? |
| 09:10.08 | woglinde | dont know |
| 09:10.33 | ScaredyCat | it will be assembled in your front room by 4 small children |
| 09:12.30 | woglinde | ScaredyCat cant laugh about it |
| 09:14.30 | milos_ | J-23: probably from USA and Europe |
| 09:15.46 | tobe002 | en .........anther question why freerunner designed without a Camera |
| 09:16.15 | woglinde | I only can guess |
| 09:16.55 | woglinde | place, maybe costs and most people dont use the camera |
| 09:17.37 | woglinde | in many companys you are not allowed as visitor to have cellphone with camera |
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| 09:18.42 | Stephmw | any worthwhile camera would cost a fair bit, plus you'd then need a hw 3gp/jpeg encoder |
| 09:18.47 | Stephmw | too much hassle to be honest |
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| 09:20.45 | tobe002 | en......that's right ...... |
| 09:21.14 | raster | just simply wasnt designed with one |
| 09:21.15 | raster | no need |
| 09:21.16 | raster | no spec |
| 09:21.19 | raster | just not there |
| 09:21.49 | raster | no specific omission other than its yet another part that costs money and engineering |
| 09:21.57 | Stephmw | wonder if the old T61 camera attachment from SE could be abused for something like this? |
| 09:22.00 | ScaredyCat | pffft, mp DP-L10s have an awesome 0.3mp camera :P |
| 09:22.06 | ScaredyCat | s/mp/my/ |
| 09:22.32 | raster | u can bet that future phones from OM will have a camera |
| 09:22.36 | raster | it is a very asked for eature |
| 09:23.06 | ScaredyCat | stupid feature |
| 09:23.18 | raster | not really |
| 09:23.23 | ScaredyCat | tis so |
| 09:23.25 | ScaredyCat | ner ner |
| 09:23.37 | raster | as such i like the pictures of the peolpe who are calling me |
| 09:23.50 | raster | i can just look at my screne and go "oh thats who's calling" |
| 09:23.54 | raster | without having to read text |
| 09:24.04 | raster | faster to recognise |
| 09:24.08 | ScaredyCat | is the people you knew were as ungly as the ones I know.... ;) |
| 09:24.26 | raster | probably |
| 09:24.30 | woglinde | *g* |
| 09:24.34 | raster | but still is handy |
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| 09:24.48 | ScaredyCat | right, because the 0.0000001ms difference is a issue |
| 09:24.50 | raster | reminds me all the time of how beautiful i am when they call :) |
| 09:24.52 | raster | hehehe |
| 09:24.57 | raster | :-P |
| 09:25.14 | raster | ScaredyCat: it is an issue :) |
| 09:25.20 | XorA | ScaredyCat: you already spread your nostrils to the world :-) |
| 09:25.20 | raster | because i LIKE it |
| 09:25.22 | raster | :) |
| 09:25.34 | raster | and things people LIKE sell stuff |
| 09:25.35 | raster | :) |
| 09:25.44 | ScaredyCat | XorA: exactly - you want that when I ring you? |
| 09:26.15 | XorA | although I do wonder what a camera has to do with caller Id pictures |
| 09:26.30 | raster | just easy to get their picture when u meet them and get their details |
| 09:26.34 | ScaredyCat | you tke the pic and associate it with their number |
| 09:26.42 | raster | i am always addign details of someone while about and meeting them |
| 09:26.44 | woglinde | xora you sell programms for 100$ to transfer the pictures to the phone |
| 09:26.53 | ScaredyCat | the assumption is that ou are in front of htem hen thy give it to you |
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| 09:27.02 | raster | because by the time i have gone somewhere else |
| 09:27.06 | raster | i dont have their pic anymore |
| 09:27.12 | XorA | woglinde: Ill happilly sell a copy of debian for 1000$ to transfer pictures |
| 09:27.12 | raster | and i'd have to go googling online for it |
| 09:27.17 | raster | and spend lots of time and effort |
| 09:27.20 | raster | also just think |
| 09:27.25 | raster | u meet 7 girls each night |
| 09:27.27 | raster | and get their numbers |
| 09:27.29 | raster | and names |
| 09:27.33 | raster | very soon it all becomes a blur |
| 09:27.42 | raster | "sandra.. which one was that?" |
| 09:27.45 | raster | so u need to get a photo |
| 09:27.48 | raster | hell |
| 09:27.50 | XorA | raster: your actually talking about beer goggle verification the next morning :-) |
| 09:27.52 | raster | u had 13 beers |
| 09:27.55 | ScaredyCat | you wouldn't need the camera if the phone imported their vcard |
| 09:28.00 | raster | all of them looks hot after 13 beers |
| 09:28.05 | zedstar | 7 girls a night are u a pimp? ;) |
| 09:28.14 | raster | u dont know until the next day when u check the photos and go "ewwww.. definite beer goggles" |
| 09:28.26 | raster | zo yup. |
| 09:28.30 | raster | beer goggle verification |
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| 09:28.41 | raster | zedstar: i'm just being hypothetical. but it can happen! |
| 09:28.42 | raster | :) |
| 09:28.45 | ScaredyCat | no wonder that friggin keyboard is taking so long |
| 09:29.05 | raster | hahaha |
| 09:29.07 | raster | the kbd is done |
| 09:29.18 | raster | of course u'd need to maybe check out svn and stuff |
| 09:29.20 | raster | but hey |
| 09:29.22 | zedstar | not scrolled up to actually work out what the conversation is but woke up when some mentioned beer and girls |
| 09:29.26 | raster | :) |
| 09:29.33 | raster | zedstar: hhehehe |
| 09:30.36 | gi-el | beer! girls! |
| 09:30.47 | ScaredyCat | feck |
| 09:30.52 | zedstar | arse |
| 09:30.58 | raster | bunda |
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| 09:32.16 | tobe002 | when i want to buy anther cellphone i have consider like N73 N82 and of couse freerunner ........tobe honest i think it is pity without a camera |
| 09:33.29 | woglinde | tobe you should ask you if you can ssh into a n73 or n82 |
| 09:34.13 | MetaMorfoziS | or when you able to buy a webcam |
| 09:34.18 | MetaMorfoziS | and plug in it to your n73 |
| 09:34.21 | MetaMorfoziS | via usb |
| 09:34.29 | MetaMorfoziS | ;) |
| 09:34.44 | XorA | n810 + gsm modem would be a nice phone |
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| 09:35.25 | tobe002 | who |
| 09:35.35 | emdete | XorA: neo /is/ a nice phone :D |
| 09:35.43 | woglinde | xora which standby time it then would have? |
| 09:35.54 | zedstar | is a fan of the n810 also |
| 09:35.57 | XorA | emdete: as long as you carry a ar battery gta01 is a nice phone |
| 09:36.07 | XorA | car battery |
| 09:36.20 | XorA | n810 is nice form factor and size :-)( |
| 09:36.30 | emdete | XorA: yes, thats a problem right now, but i was able to aktivly use it for around 5h - that quite okay (gps, gprs, screen on!) |
| 09:36.32 | zedstar | it is the only device i really get much use out of and i have far too many devices |
| 09:37.39 | XorA | my n810 does at least 4 days on stanby while downloading email via wifi |
| 09:38.28 | emdete | XorA: how long really using it? |
| 09:38.36 | XorA | emdete: 8-10 hours |
| 09:38.46 | emdete | 5h was with modem fw moko1, moko6 will bring even morre. |
| 09:38.47 | Outlander | so the new openmoko phone is shaping up to be pretty cool? |
| 09:38.52 | Outlander | it will run debian or somesuch? |
| 09:39.07 | emdete | Outlander: the current hw does already |
| 09:39.18 | zedstar | i got a nokia 6120c to give my n810 some 3.5g love and is much more useful now |
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| 09:39.53 | Outlander | cool |
| 09:40.08 | Outlander | what's the scope for reading ebooks and things on the phone? |
| 09:40.14 | Outlander | anything debian can run i spose |
| 09:40.25 | Outlander | checks the screen size/res for the new phone... |
| 09:41.05 | zedstar | viewing pdf is is fine on the n810....i have to say tho the pdf reader on the iphone is pretty cool as u can easily zoom in and out with gestures...very usable |
| 09:42.25 | Outlander | cool |
| 09:42.30 | raster | i like to take pdf's with me on my n800 |
| 09:42.44 | raster | too many damn pdf's to read in this make-a-phone business |
| 09:42.46 | raster | :) |
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| 10:09.39 | teprrr | hi, any ideas why I'm getting | /usr/bin/autoreconf: unrecognized option `--exclude=libtoolize' for libtool-native's configure? |
| 10:09.55 | teprrr | is autoreconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.61 |
| 10:09.58 | teprrr | too old/new? |
| 10:14.09 | zedstar | autoreconf baffles me but i always run it with --install to copy missing files |
| 10:14.11 | mickeyl | looks like for some reason autoconf-native has not been built for you |
| 10:14.21 | mickeyl | OE compiles its own autoconf with added options |
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| 10:21.01 | teprrr | ah, I already tried to make clean-package-libtool-native, quilt and possible others.. any clue which package I should actually clean-up? |
| 10:21.33 | teprrr | though perhaps I should try make clean everything first if that helps. |
| 10:22.00 | teprrr | just wondering if it'd have been possible not to build everything again, but well |
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| 10:31.02 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r291 10/trunk/software/py-ophoned/ (config.py frontend.py objects.py ophoned serverObjects.py): py-ophoned: server and device register to bus now and answer to methods |
| 10:32.15 | spyre | mickeyl: did you notice my comment earlier? :) |
| 10:33.06 | mickeyl | no, let me scroll up |
| 10:33.49 | mickeyl | ah |
| 10:33.55 | mickeyl | ok, let me change |
| 10:34.33 | mickeyl | spyre: are you ok with that structure? |
| 10:34.43 | spyre | mickeyl: actually that's why I mentioned it again :) |
| 10:35.01 | spyre | mickeyl: I was thinking that call status could be added there instead of bool |
| 10:35.05 | mickeyl | agreed |
| 10:35.09 | spyre | mickeyl: (or with bool) |
| 10:35.34 | mickeyl | there's one thing i'm pondering |
| 10:35.39 | mickeyl | perhaps you can help me decide |
| 10:35.51 | mickeyl | there's two ways we do that |
| 10:36.00 | mickeyl | one is encode the status in the signals |
| 10:36.02 | mickeyl | like: |
| 10:36.09 | mickeyl | ActivatedCall() |
| 10:36.11 | mickeyl | ReleasedCall() |
| 10:36.18 | mickeyl | HeldCall() |
| 10:36.21 | mickeyl | the other way would be |
| 10:36.34 | mickeyl | just to use a CallStatus() |
| 10:36.44 | mickeyl | and encode the actual status in a string |
| 10:36.49 | mickeyl | what would you prefer? |
| 10:37.15 | `pwgen` | moin |
| 10:37.21 | mickeyl | it's also a question 'bout granularity |
| 10:37.25 | mickeyl | whether it makes sense for programs only to listen to ActivatedCall but not to ReleasedCall. |
| 10:37.33 | mickeyl | if so, then we need different signals |
| 10:37.38 | mickeyl | if not, then we can use one signal with a string |
| 10:37.53 | mickeyl | (which might make the API cleaner) |
| 10:38.10 | spyre | mickeyl: My gut feeling says to go with CallStatus |
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| 10:38.30 | spyre | mickeyl: but I have no objections on going the other way |
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| 10:39.46 | mickeyl | my gut feeling agrees with your gut feeling |
| 10:39.53 | mickeyl | i will change it after lunch |
| 10:39.59 | mickeyl | makes the API a bit smaller and simpler |
| 10:40.01 | spyre | mickeyl: we might end up with way too many signals to listen/send with Activated/held/released optin if we want to support for example all ecam messages |
| 10:40.03 | mickeyl | -> good change :) |
| 10:40.11 | spyre | :) |
| 10:40.13 | mickeyl | spyre: agreed, good point |
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| 10:40.52 | `pwgen` | does someone know howt to enable wake up by gsm interrupt ? |
| 10:41.20 | spyre | mickeyl: so how do you plan to change listcalls() ? |
| 10:41.59 | florian | good morning |
| 10:42.21 | spydon | good morning |
| 10:42.45 | spyre | spydon: I'm also pondering weither call direction should be indicated (did we call or did we get called).. but that propably is not useful, only information on when we are connecting/being connected/connected |
| 10:42.56 | spyre | whoops I meant that to mickeyl :) |
| 10:42.59 | mickeyl | heh |
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| 10:43.22 | spydon | hehe |
| 10:44.01 | mickeyl | a{is} might be the simplest |
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| 10:44.24 | spyre | and then have getStatus() method to get more information? |
| 10:44.25 | mickeyl | one more thing i'm pondering is do we need the server to give out the full status |
| 10:44.41 | mickeyl | or can we expect the client to remember that |
| 10:44.50 | mickeyl | right, your question goes in the same direction |
| 10:45.05 | mickeyl | GetCallStatus() -> a{sv} |
| 10:45.07 | mickeyl | with fields like |
| 10:45.13 | mickeyl | number |
| 10:45.15 | mickeyl | duration |
| 10:45.19 | mickeyl | and even |
| 10:45.19 | mickeyl | cost |
| 10:45.28 | mickeyl | i think that sounds proper |
| 10:45.51 | spyre | mickeyl: yep, I'd like to see something like that since I'm developing a dialer which is started when a call is being made |
| 10:46.00 | mickeyl | agreed |
| 10:46.06 | mickeyl | ok, i will take that into account |
| 10:46.12 | mickeyl | makes sense actually |
| 10:46.16 | mickeyl | we do not clutter the bus always |
| 10:46.18 | spyre | mickeyl: currently it command line params are used to tell the dialer that someone is calling. I'd prefer it to query gsmd2 instead |
| 10:46.20 | mickeyl | but only send the status |
| 10:46.43 | mickeyl | spyre: *nod* about time the infrastructure gets manifested in UI ;) |
| 10:48.54 | spyre | yeah, I've found a lot of little flaws in gsmd2 and fso api aswell when doing that ;) |
| 10:49.26 | mickeyl | right. i'm doing the same now with py-ophoned and a new combined dialer/messager/calendar/phonebook |
| 10:49.33 | mickeyl | so we have a couple of API consumers |
| 10:49.38 | mickeyl | to iron out problems and make it better |
| 10:50.01 | spyre | yep |
| 10:50.20 | spyre | imho a storage application should be made to iron out storage api's problems aswell |
| 10:53.06 | spyre | mickeyl: for example if sms message is read/not read, the folder it is in (or any item in storage for that matter), when was it last modified are things that should be thought of |
| 10:54.10 | abraxa_ | spyre: Why would the last modification time of the folder play a role? |
| 10:55.20 | spyre | abraxa_: it was just an idea we toyed with couple of days ago.. that could be used for synchronizing messages from sim to storage and vice versa |
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| 10:56.07 | abraxa_ | spyre: In in ideal world, wouldn't the storage backend take care of that? ;) |
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| 10:56.56 | spyre | abraxa_: sure, but some applications might want to know these things :) |
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| 10:59.39 | abraxa_ | spyre: What for? I would think that a flag contained with each message that indicates the physical storage location would suffice - as well as a query like "show me all messages stored on the SIM" |
| 11:00.56 | spyre | abraxa_: Well we'd still need to modify the api to allow retrieving the physical location :) |
| 11:01.37 | abraxa_ | spyre: Which API? The current eds-dbus one? |
| 11:01.52 | spyre | timestamps and such were only trivial examples, my point was that storage application should be made so we'd see all the real needs of programs using the dbus api |
| 11:02.03 | spyre | abraxa_: fso's dbus storage api |
| 11:02.20 | abraxa_ | Ah okay |
| 11:02.28 | spyre | (and see where dbus api shouldn't be used) |
| 11:02.40 | abraxa_ | That's just a draft anyway :) |
| 11:03.17 | abraxa_ | spyre: Was the comment in brackets related to anything in particular or just a generic comment? |
| 11:03.48 | spyre | related to fso's storage api |
| 11:04.11 | abraxa_ | Hm... is there anything you see that it shouldn't be used for? |
| 11:04.35 | spyre | storing large files |
| 11:04.47 | spyre | unless path is sent via dbus |
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| 11:05.01 | abraxa_ | Oh, okay... well, that's a no-brainer. I thought you had some use cases in mind :) |
| 11:06.09 | spyre | multimedia messages (mms) for example |
| 11:07.27 | abraxa_ | Yeah |
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| 11:10.12 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r292 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (12 files in 4 dirs): |
| 11:10.12 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: Implemented (soon to be depricated) listactive method |
| 11:10.12 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: Added support for it to libfreesmartphone |
| 11:10.12 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: Fixed test ui to respond with proper ecam codes |
| 11:16.21 | cb22 | random question: will SMSs be treated email-like (most phones) or chat-like (iphone)? |
| 11:19.37 | emdete | cb22: how about teating sms, email & chat message like? |
| 11:19.48 | emdete | s/teat/treat/ |
| 11:20.21 | cb22 | s/like/alike/? |
| 11:21.18 | SpeedEvil | For email, that breaks rather. |
| 11:21.46 | SpeedEvil | A chat interface - maybe even showing your and their responses on the same window - and messages that may be 5K each - has little in common |
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| 11:23.22 | cb22 | slaps ffmpeg around. _why_ can't you just follow the damn bitrate I'm giving you :( |
| 11:23.44 | cb22 | and why do you claim to not be able to encode mono vorbis, when it seems to work just fine |
| 11:23.48 | cb22 | 13:19 < apt> emdete meant: cb22: how about treating sms, email & chat message like? |
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| 11:27.13 | emdete | i wouldnt care to see just subjects in my communication thread with a person... as long as i would be able to open that line to see the rest of the mail |
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| 12:38.57 | alp | anyone with access to the openmoko webkit build bot? |
| 12:39.11 | alp | we need a new package installed (Xt) |
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| 13:04.52 | roh | alp not yet.. will report back |
| 13:05.35 | ruskie | contemplates if it would be even remotely possible to run linux on a n95... |
| 13:05.43 | roh | alp: now.. which package? |
| 13:05.49 | berkus | uhm folks, is there any way to install gllin from .ipk package? opkg says "Invalid magic" |
| 13:06.32 | SpeedEvil | works for me |
| 13:06.33 | berkus | opkg install ipkg fails due to file conflict :( |
| 13:06.37 | roh | berkus just download the package with your browser, copy it onto the phone and do opkg install |
| 13:06.41 | alp | roh: not sure what it's called. we need the xorg libXt development files |
| 13:06.45 | SpeedEvil | yeah - that |
| 13:07.04 | berkus | ahhh! |
| 13:07.30 | SpeedEvil | also - I think ScaredyCats builds may have it preinstalled |
| 13:07.35 | roh | berkus wget doesnt work. referrer-checks due to the eula |
| 13:07.36 | SpeedEvil | berkus: look at tangogps also |
| 13:07.47 | berkus | i'm using 30 apr daily build |
| 13:07.55 | berkus | just came back to Neo after a pause |
| 13:08.01 | SpeedEvil | berkus: yeah - that's not got it. |
| 13:08.11 | roh | alp: i am currently cleaning up a bit.. is that stuff on the http old crud or do you use any of it? |
| 13:08.12 | berkus | no idea about current state of affairs here in mokoland |
| 13:08.32 | alp | roh: which stuff? |
| 13:08.43 | roh | alp /space/www/ |
| 13:08.51 | SpeedEvil | berkus: still awaiting GTA02 |
| 13:09.15 | alp | roh: i'd check with zecke (except he won't be around a few days i gather) |
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| 13:10.15 | roh | alp i will do some debian updates also.. hope it doesnt affect your builds |
| 13:10.53 | alp | roh: should be fine. i have access to the bot to force a complete reconfigure/rebuild etc. if necessary |
| 13:11.24 | roh | ok |
| 13:11.28 | roh | bot? how does it work? |
| 13:11.38 | berkus | SpeedEvil: heh, ok, then i'm not too far behind :) |
| 13:12.09 | alp | roh: it has a private irc management interface maintained by Apple |
| 13:12.35 | roh | *yikes* |
| 13:13.20 | berkus | is tangogps a ui or a daemon? |
| 13:13.24 | SpeedEvil | UI |
| 13:13.42 | SpeedEvil | berkus: it can download OSM maps, and give you a moving map display with trail. |
| 13:13.46 | roh | alp: hold your breath... seems its still half a sarge.. |
| 13:14.10 | mickey|bbiab | alp: btw., you never sent me that patch... |
| 13:14.25 | alp | mickey|bbiab: for scrolling perf? |
| 13:14.30 | mickey|bbiab | yep |
| 13:14.43 | mickey|bbiab | + inclusion into a moko-scrolled-view |
| 13:14.47 | mickey|bbiab | iirc |
| 13:16.22 | berkus | tangogps loading but doesn't seem to see the satellite |
| 13:16.38 | SpeedEvil | berkus: you need to do the thing with the replacement gllin script |
| 13:16.43 | alp | got a simpler version of the patch (not quite as fancy) that works. i'll dig up the moko scroll patch too |
| 13:16.53 | SpeedEvil | then scorll to the config tab, and click 'launch gllin and gpsd' |
| 13:17.02 | SpeedEvil | then go outside |
| 13:17.16 | SpeedEvil | (for me at least, it won't get a lock indoors reliably) |
| 13:18.58 | berkus | what is the replacement gllin script thing? can't find it |
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| 13:20.49 | SpeedEvil | It's on the tangogps site |
| 13:20.56 | berkus | ah! |
| 13:21.18 | SpeedEvil | It 'just works' - though I admittedly haven't got GPRS working |
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| 13:22.56 | SpeedEvil | So I needed to download some tiles. |
| 13:23.16 | berkus | is it somehow done from within tangogps ui? |
| 13:23.23 | SpeedEvil | 'it' ? |
| 13:23.25 | berkus | (downloading tiles) |
| 13:23.28 | SpeedEvil | ah yes |
| 13:23.33 | SpeedEvil | it's in one of the tabs. |
| 13:23.42 | SpeedEvil | it downloads the current view on the map |
| 13:23.48 | SpeedEvil | and deeper levels of zoom |
| 13:24.03 | SpeedEvil | so 1 level of zoom gets you 4 tiles + the original 1 |
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| 13:24.10 | SpeedEvil | 2 levels 16+4+1 |
| 13:24.12 | SpeedEvil | and so on |
| 13:24.27 | SpeedEvil | You'll want to set it up so it uses the media card. |
| 13:24.54 | roh | apt any idea why there is a special built svn package installed? |
| 13:24.55 | apt | okay, roh |
| 13:27.28 | berkus | ahh i had tangogps 0.7 installed, upgrading |
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| 13:29.22 | berkus | damnit. neo suddenly turned off and doesnt power on |
| 13:29.44 | saurabh1403 | hello everyone |
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| 13:29.59 | SpeedEvil | berkus: there are power issues still. |
| 13:30.19 | SpeedEvil | berkus: remove USB, remove battery, wait 30s, replace battery, plug into computer. |
| 13:30.20 | saurabh1403 | i got problem in building the sample source2 code using the openmoko toolchain |
| 13:30.47 | SpeedEvil | berkus: if you're lucky, you can then power it up after 5 mins, and it'll ahve enough charge to boot |
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| 13:31.00 | SpeedEvil | berkus: otherwise, do the above again, and leave it for a couple of hours |
| 13:31.21 | berkus | hmm, it was charging all the time, half battery was indicated |
| 13:32.01 | roh | apt your packages should be there now |
| 13:32.06 | berkus | hm, no, dead |
| 13:32.24 | saurabh1403 | hello |
| 13:32.25 | berkus | i'll leave it charging |
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| 13:39.06 | roh | apt the webkit stuff all resides in ~oe/webkit/? |
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| 14:05.03 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r293 10/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd/ (data/gsm0710muxd src/mux.xml src/muxercontrol.vala): |
| 14:05.03 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: fixed path in init.d script |
| 14:05.03 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: fixed typo in comment |
| 14:05.04 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: corrected method signature |
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| 14:27.03 | cayres | wasnt the gta02 suppose to be released this month? |
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| 14:28.32 | AzalynHD | cayres: Apparently it's in the sample testing phase. |
| 14:28.41 | AzalynHD | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates |
| 14:28.47 | cayres | sample testing? |
| 14:29.21 | AzalynHD | "production verification test" |
| 14:30.18 | AzalynHD | They produced a few freerunners (gta02) and are going to get them to some "key partners" |
| 14:30.27 | AzalynHD | it's like the initial run i guess. |
| 14:30.31 | lu_zero | hmm |
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| 14:32.28 | AzalynHD | they also got rid of the 'advanced' version. so now there's just the base model, and all the 'devkit' stuff are accessories. like the dev board is going to cost 99 bucks apparently. |
| 14:32.51 | lu_zero | sigh |
| 14:33.06 | AzalynHD | hm? |
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| 14:33.34 | lu_zero | some people need it in order to start an activity around it |
| 14:35.12 | AzalynHD | yeah, but you could just add both parts to the cart when you get it. |
| 14:35.54 | cayres | damn i want one |
| 14:36.04 | AzalynHD | in the end it comes out cheaper. if i recall they were planning to make the 'advanced' gta02 sell for 600 dollars. now by getting the freerunner+debugboard, it's 500 when you add both to your cart. |
| 14:36.06 | woglinde | *g* |
| 14:36.18 | lu_zero | would rather want one with umts |
| 14:36.31 | SpeedEvil | going to be some time. |
| 14:36.43 | AzalynHD | I'm sure there's one feature that everyone is going to miss. :) |
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| 14:37.10 | AzalynHD | for some people it's camera, for others it might be more buttons or something.. |
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| 14:37.28 | AzalynHD | I think for a first offering, it's pretty nice. |
| 14:37.35 | cayres | i just want one |
| 14:37.37 | cayres | :p |
| 14:37.40 | AzalynHD | me too. |
| 14:37.48 | cayres | then i can miss things later |
| 14:37.51 | AzalynHD | I'm going to sell my nokia 3250 when i get mine. |
| 14:38.09 | saleh | hi all, does any one know when Neo FreeRunner will be released ? |
| 14:38.15 | cayres | lol |
| 14:38.15 | doc|home | saleh: nope |
| 14:38.20 | doc|home | there,done |
| 14:38.29 | SpeedEvil | ponders an annoucebot. |
| 14:38.38 | SpeedEvil | That says 'it's not ready yet' every 10s. |
| 14:38.46 | summatusmentis | is it ready yet? |
| 14:38.48 | SpeedEvil | Everyone puts it on ignore, and it's there for newbies. |
| 14:38.49 | summatusmentis | :-P |
| 14:38.51 | cayres | is it ready yet? |
| 14:38.54 | doc|home | is it ready yet? |
| 14:39.16 | AzalynHD | I already have a nice nikon 8mpix digicam (uses ptp, so it works great in linux), which i love. So I don't need a camera in my phone. |
| 14:39.57 | SpeedEvil | There is a difference between a camera you take when you want a camera, and a camera you have all the time. |
| 14:41.00 | AzalynHD | yeah.. there is some convenience in the whole idea of taking a pic and being able to email it right away to someone. if you're at the supermarket and don't know which brand of something to buy. :) |
| 14:41.11 | SpeedEvil | that sort of stuff, yes. |
| 14:41.18 | SpeedEvil | Where a 640*480 pic is just fine. |
| 14:41.19 | doc|home | SpeedEvil: I have a camera which I have all the time, not on my phone |
| 14:41.36 | AzalynHD | there could be a usb camera addon... |
| 14:41.47 | SpeedEvil | Azalyn_: not really practical - USB sucks. |
| 14:41.54 | cayres | my eyeballs take great pictures, but I cant seem to figure out how to email em yet |
| 14:41.57 | summatusmentis | what's the point of the addon? why not just buy a camera? |
| 14:42.10 | doc|home | yeah, if there's to be a camera it should be built in, but still, I have no camera in my phone. Haven't missed it |
| 14:42.13 | SpeedEvil | See http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Camera |
| 14:42.20 | AzalynHD | summatusmentis: well, as we just discussed, there are some practical applications for it. |
| 14:42.21 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:42.41 | AzalynHD | usb2.0 would be nice for gta03 (whenever that will happen...) |
| 14:42.42 | SpeedEvil | Many many use-cases. |
| 14:42.50 | SpeedEvil | GTA03 isn't happening. |
| 14:42.53 | SpeedEvil | GTA04 is. |
| 14:43.00 | SpeedEvil | Exactly why ... |
| 14:43.01 | summatusmentis | yeah, but a camera addon would be bulky too... |
| 14:43.11 | SpeedEvil | summatusmentis: there are 6mm*6mm*4mm cameras |
| 14:43.16 | AzalynHD | hm.. so is this like the linux versioning model? :P |
| 14:43.24 | AzalynHD | odd numbers are unstable, and even are stable? |
| 14:43.31 | SpeedEvil | Dunno. |
| 14:43.49 | summatusmentis | SpeedEvil: yeah, which then need a usb cable to plug into the phone... still a lot more hassle than carrying a phone and a camera around |
| 14:44.01 | cayres | no the GTA03 is a top secret gov. release |
| 14:44.04 | cayres | :) |
| 14:44.10 | SpeedEvil | But as you can see, there are a dozen plus of things that are reasonable applications for even a bad camera. |
| 14:44.20 | SpeedEvil | Some of which aren't as practical with an external device |
| 14:44.29 | SpeedEvil | A seperate device that is. |
| 14:44.52 | SpeedEvil | for example, gesture interfaces, barcode reading keying into a database app, ... |
| 14:46.06 | AzalynHD | well... look at the nintendo wii... the wii remote technically has a 'bad camera' |
| 14:46.08 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, re |
| 14:46.16 | SpeedEvil | Azalyn_: true |
| 14:46.26 | summatusmentis | Sup3rkiddo: where have you been all my life? :-P |
| 14:46.29 | SpeedEvil | Azalyn_: though it's got some special purpose image analyser camera |
| 14:46.33 | AzalynHD | it's like a really limited IR camera, capable of only seeing the two infrared led's in the 'sensor bar' |
| 14:46.51 | SpeedEvil | Azalyn_: /me adds that to the list. |
| 14:46.54 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, sup?...got semesters..so been dead for a while :D |
| 14:47.05 | summatusmentis | yeah, my finals are in a week |
| 14:47.45 | AzalynHD | there's also stories of people catching criminals with cameraphones. or whatever. |
| 14:48.19 | AzalynHD | by the way, i'm confused, is the freerunner stereo when using a *headset* ? |
| 14:48.24 | SpeedEvil | Azalyn_: yes |
| 14:48.24 | AzalynHD | i know the speaker is mono... |
| 14:48.34 | AzalynHD | but this confused me: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#Wolfson_Codec |
| 14:48.36 | SpeedEvil | Azalyn_: it's just the speaker which got deleted |
| 14:48.48 | AzalynHD | see, the wolfson chipset appears to be stereo.. |
| 14:48.56 | AzalynHD | but the "amplifier" is mono |
| 14:49.08 | SpeedEvil | what amplifier? |
| 14:49.20 | AzalynHD | "There's a National Semiconductor LM4853 Mono Amplifier at the analog audio output of the WM8753" |
| 14:49.26 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 14:49.32 | SpeedEvil | That's probably to drive the speaker |
| 14:49.39 | SpeedEvil | it used to be a dual amp |
| 14:49.51 | SpeedEvil | there are about a dozen audio outputs though |
| 14:50.50 | AzalynHD | reason i'm curious is because that's one of the features i was counting on. using a 4 or 8 GB microsd card and having music on it. :D |
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| 14:53.14 | AzalynHD | by the way, do any of you have a gta01 ? is using the onscreen keyboard hard on the 2.8 inch screen? |
| 14:53.23 | SpeedEvil | Yes, there are many keyboards |
| 14:53.27 | SpeedEvil | which keyboards |
| 14:53.43 | cb22 | hmm, could you put a OTG device into a normal host mode? |
| 14:53.49 | SpeedEvil | Dunno |
| 14:54.31 | SpeedEvil | cb22: I noted that the GTA04 planned porcessor has a OTG2.0 or USB1.1 host. |
| 14:54.34 | AzalynHD | hm.. well.. i don't know.. i guess... out of all the available onscreen keyboards, whichever one you consider best. |
| 14:54.37 | SpeedEvil | cb22: I have no clue. |
| 14:54.43 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: yeah, thats what i read too |
| 14:54.48 | cb22 | so a bit puzzled |
| 14:54.53 | AzalynHD | i imagine the best of breed one will be included. |
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| 14:55.05 | SpeedEvil | Azalyn_: some of them work quite well |
| 14:55.23 | SpeedEvil | To teh extent that with a pointer or the edge of a fingernail, you can use the qwerty keyboard. |
| 14:55.32 | SpeedEvil | There is also a multitap number keyboard. |
| 14:55.38 | SpeedEvil | But I don't ike that. |
| 14:56.28 | SpeedEvil | As to finger-keyboards - well - you can't use a qwerty one like that. |
| 14:56.36 | SpeedEvil | But you expected that presumably. |
| 14:56.43 | SpeedEvil | Unless you have odd shaped fingers. |
| 14:56.45 | cb22 | hmm, from wikipedia: USB OTG devices are backward compliant with USB 2.0 and will behave as standard USB Hosts or Peripherals when connected to standard (no OTG) USB devices. |
| 14:57.40 | AzalynHD | yeah, i was thinking edge of a fingernail |
| 14:57.48 | AzalynHD | on qwerty |
| 14:58.01 | SpeedEvil | It works for short texts - you wouldn't want to enter war and peace with it. |
| 14:58.13 | SpeedEvil | I suspect multitap may be faster even once you get used to it. |
| 14:58.14 | AzalynHD | how about irc? |
| 14:58.38 | SpeedEvil | Dunno. |
| 14:58.46 | AzalynHD | or ssh'ing to a home box and typing some commands |
| 14:59.02 | SpeedEvil | that works - but it's annoyingly slow even with a pointer |
| 14:59.26 | SpeedEvil | you can get BT credit card keyboards |
| 14:59.44 | SpeedEvil | Or even full-sized ones, but that may be silly. |
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| 15:01.04 | AzalynHD | yeah, when i saw "usb host" i figured a fullsize would work.. but that seems a little pointless. unless you have a docking station. even then though, it's probably better to just type on a desktop and then sync it. |
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| 15:01.23 | AzalynHD | the bluetooth creditcard keyboard thing is a good idea though.. i should look into that |
| 15:01.36 | SpeedEvil | They aren't especially cheap, which is annoying. |
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| 15:02.22 | AzalynHD | http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/gadgets/ultra+slim-credit-card+sized-bluetooth-keyboard-235252.php |
| 15:02.28 | AzalynHD | this, right? |
| 15:04.37 | SpeedEvil | Something like that, yes. |
| 15:07.29 | cb22 | heh, it hasnt been released yet |
| 15:09.05 | summatusmentis | are there actually any available for purchase? because that'd be cool, could just attach one to the back of the phone or something |
| 15:09.31 | SpeedEvil | they come up on ebay occasionally |
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| 15:09.49 | SpeedEvil | They pulled the old model |
| 15:09.54 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if they restarted |
| 15:10.30 | SpeedEvil | they have a new model, but I don't know if it's out yet |
| 15:10.34 | roh | AzalynHD how big are they? the photo with the hand rather says '2 creditcards' than one |
| 15:10.45 | SpeedEvil | that was a small hand |
| 15:10.49 | summatusmentis | http://freedominput.com/site/index.php the one linked above looks like it's in the same stage as a freerunner |
| 15:10.53 | SpeedEvil | they are in fact credit card sized - but thinner |
| 15:10.57 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 15:10.58 | SpeedEvil | thicker |
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| 15:11.22 | AzalynHD | yeah they're obviously not as good with photoshopping as they are with engineering :) |
| 15:11.57 | SpeedEvil | I have said in the past that there must be model agencies with people with freakishly large and small hands on the books. |
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| 15:13.04 | AzalynHD | http://www.ministryoftech.com/2006/10/16/bluetooth-gamepad-for-mobile-devices/ |
| 15:13.08 | AzalynHD | they even have gamepads |
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| 15:14.15 | cb22 | _curse_ you ffmpeg :( |
| 15:15.13 | Stephmw | hmmm? |
| 15:15.47 | cb22 | all i want to do is encode an x264 video at a constant bitrate. mencoder can do it and it also uses libx264... |
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| 15:18.18 | SpeedEvil | What's wrong with mencoder. |
| 15:18.34 | AzalynHD | cb22: you going to play video on your neo? |
| 15:19.00 | Stephmw | AzalynHD: it's for those 'exclusive' clips he's producing for his select audience |
| 15:19.08 | cb22 | mencoder doesn't like vorbis, and it trips when i try to use audiofile with it |
| 15:19.13 | cb22 | Stephmw: hehe |
| 15:19.21 | lu_zero | trips? |
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| 15:19.31 | lu_zero | try using ffmpeg, maybe works better |
| 15:19.47 | AzalynHD | I think that's what he's doing :| |
| 15:19.53 | cb22 | lu_zero: goes crazy |
| 15:20.06 | lu_zero | are you using the latest svn? |
| 15:20.07 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 15:20.15 | SpeedEvil | cb22: have you tried the most recent version |
| 15:20.26 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: yep, for both |
| 15:21.31 | SpeedEvil | have you visited #mplayer? |
| 15:22.02 | cb22 | good idea, #ffmpeg seems to be dead |
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| 15:26.36 | TAsn | is it a bad thing that all i think about is freerunner? ;0 |
| 15:27.08 | abraxa_ | TAsn: Only if you have a girlfriend :) |
| 15:27.17 | TAsn | i'm idiling here for a long time now, just waiting for redemption. |
| 15:27.36 | TAsn | abraxa_, i think not having a gf just make it sound worse. |
| 15:28.04 | summatusmentis | TAsn: nope, she's not competing for your attention then |
| 15:28.08 | abraxa_ | TAsn: Depends on your point of view. It certainly leaves you with more freedom, money and time :) |
| 15:28.55 | TAsn | abraxa_, were you talking about the freerunner or the gf? ;0 |
| 15:29.27 | TAsn | summatusmentis, but freerunner is driving crazy ! ;[ |
| 15:29.35 | summatusmentis | girls will do that too some times :) |
| 15:29.48 | TAsn | summatusmentis, i know... |
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| 15:30.04 | summatusmentis | class, peace all |
| 15:30.18 | abraxa_ | TAsn: The g/f :) |
| 15:30.21 | TAsn | but atleast the girls that do you get to touch, not the case with moko :) |
| 15:30.36 | TAsn | abraxa_, oh. |
| 15:30.45 | CVirus | girls ? |
| 15:30.52 | CVirus | isn't this #OpenMoko ? |
| 15:30.57 | TAsn | <summatusmentis> girls will do that too some times :) |
| 15:31.00 | abraxa_ | But you can touch the Freerunner as often as you like. Not so with your girl. |
| 15:31.05 | cb22 | you mean #Openmoko |
| 15:31.13 | cb22 | abraxa_: you need a new girl then :p |
| 15:31.13 | CVirus | ah sorry |
| 15:31.23 | abraxa_ | cb22: I wasn't talking about *mine* ;) |
| 15:31.24 | TAsn | cb22, i agreep |
| 15:31.26 | TAsn | cb22, i agree.* |
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| 15:43.14 | ScaredyCat | touches abraxa_ inappropriately |
| 15:43.15 | cb22 | cross his fingers... |
| 15:43.25 | cb22 | crap |
| 15:43.29 | cb22 | that was badly timied :p |
| 15:43.37 | abraxa_ | ScaredyCat: Wow, that's out of nowhere |
| 15:43.41 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 15:48.06 | Sup3rkiddo | o.o |
| 15:50.38 | nnpiggy | I have a silly question: I'm using the 20080421 rootfs (and kernel) snapshot. I don't see the ipkg command... |
| 15:51.17 | cb22 | try opkg |
| 15:52.50 | nnpiggy | Thanks. |
| 15:53.10 | nnpiggy | Hmph. Has something replaced matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod? |
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| 15:54.48 | nnpiggy | Nevermind. Typo. |
| 15:56.36 | Qwell | off the top of their heads, does anybody know what +CIEV is for, and the syntax of it? |
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| 15:57.45 | SpeedEvil | signal strength I think |
| 15:58.00 | SpeedEvil | is this an unsolicited message from the modem? |
| 15:58.28 | Qwell | no, just a random question |
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| 16:02.43 | summatusmentis | is there any random chance that anyone here is from either western MN or middle of ME? |
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| 16:03.28 | summatusmentis | I suppose I should ask around and see what people say |
| 16:03.41 | summatusmentis | (reagarding GSM data/signal in those areas) |
| 16:04.35 | abraxa_ | summatusmentis: I thought there were coverage maps on the GSM page |
| 16:06.27 | SpeedEvil | They prolly won't list if it's 850 MHz or not. |
| 16:14.21 | summatusmentis | abraxa_: yeah, there are, but that doesn't mean that it's true |
| 16:14.57 | summatusmentis | according to the coverage maps, 850Mhz is supposed to work decently well at my house in ME, but people who have GSM providers get very spotty coverage |
| 16:15.11 | abraxa_ | That's a bummer |
| 16:15.24 | summatusmentis | and I'm hearing mixed things about GSM at school |
| 16:15.39 | summatusmentis | people have it, and aren't having horrible issues, but some people complain |
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| 16:49.10 | cb22 | yay! finally i have realtime <anything> to x264 with vorbis in mkv transcoding :) |
| 16:49.27 | cb22 | youtube streaming, in real time, via gprs, here i come |
| 16:50.05 | SpeedEvil | wonders at cb22s camgirl impression. |
| 16:52.14 | cb22 | slaps SpeedEvil around with some named pipes |
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| 16:57.00 | teprrr | hmm, is xserver-kdrive currently configurable (compilable)? I'm getting this one when configuring and using MokoMakefile: | checking for /usr/share/sgml/X11/defs.ent... configure: error: cannot check for file existence when cross compiling |
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| 16:58.19 | nnpiggy | Has anybody been using the neo1973 with T-mobile's service for the sidekick? |
| 16:58.32 | SpeedEvil | you mean as UTMS? |
| 16:58.45 | SpeedEvil | and where are you? |
| 16:58.46 | Qwell | nnpiggy: with the sidekick plan you mean? |
| 16:58.47 | nnpiggy | I thought it was GPRS. |
| 16:58.51 | nnpiggy | Pittsburgh. |
| 16:58.58 | SpeedEvil | nnpiggy: the sidekick is UTMS - in the UK |
| 16:59.01 | Qwell | I don't think it's possible - everything goes through Danger's servers |
| 16:59.01 | nnpiggy | Yes, Qwell, the sidekick plan. |
| 16:59.10 | SpeedEvil | nnpiggy: ah - I don't know in the US. |
| 16:59.25 | Qwell | nnpiggy: they have other unlimited plans for the same price though |
| 17:00.01 | nnpiggy | Really? I thought the other unlimited data plans were all quite expensive--nearly twice the price. |
| 17:00.04 | Qwell | the only difference, is that the sidekick comes with unlimited text messaging, whereas the "standard" or blackberry or whatever internet plans don't |
| 17:00.16 | nnpiggy | Ah. |
| 17:00.32 | nnpiggy | So if I want to use the texting, that adds up. |
| 17:00.41 | Qwell | I dropped my sidekick, because I'm gonna get a freerunner :D |
| 17:00.51 | Qwell | (*cough*hurry up*cough*) |
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| 17:01.23 | Qwell | nnpiggy: don't quote me on this, but I think the unlimited internet plan may come with a few hundred text messages |
| 17:01.48 | Qwell | maybe she was just explaining that I could get a text plan on top of that, or something |
| 17:01.58 | nnpiggy | I'll look again... |
| 17:02.59 | nnpiggy | I hate navigating these vendor sites. I just want GRPS service. I have to decode their "You wouldn't understand so we made up a different name..." |
| 17:05.31 | nnpiggy | I dunno. It looks like $20/month on top of my voice plan. The sidekick offer includes voice, data, and messaging... |
| 17:07.36 | summatusmentis | nnpiggy: when I looked at it, it's ~$30 for voice, $20 for data, $15 for unlimited messaging |
| 17:07.40 | summatusmentis | that adds up fast |
| 17:07.50 | summatusmentis | I wish there were a cdma freerunner |
| 17:08.08 | nnpiggy | Yep. |
| 17:08.53 | summatusmentis | I can maybe justify the ~$50 for data/voice |
| 17:09.13 | summatusmentis | but $65/mo for a college student is... well, insane |
| 17:09.34 | nnpiggy | Yeah. As a working professional I'm balking at the possibility. |
| 17:10.18 | summatusmentis | t-mobile needs something like Sprint SERO |
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| 18:02.33 | unknown_lamer | summatusmentis: hey I am a ... sort of college student and $65 isn't so much for me |
| 18:02.52 | unknown_lamer | summatusmentis: what's wrong with $40 base voice + $5 SMS + $20 data/wifi? |
| 18:02.56 | unknown_lamer | s/data/gprs/ |
| 18:03.17 | unknown_lamer | summatusmentis: unless you are one of those odd people who sends more than a thousand SMS a month |
| 18:04.10 | unknown_lamer | I mean a basic landline is around $40 nowadays at least where I live thanks to taxes and for-profit utility monopolies |
| 18:04.21 | unknown_lamer | and if you are in college you get free fast internet so :-) |
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| 18:26.54 | summatusmentis | unknown_lamer: I do use a lot of SMS. It's not terribly unreasonable, I just don't really have income as a college student, so I don't really have the money for it |
| 18:27.01 | summatusmentis | also, not living on campus next year |
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| 18:41.40 | zween_ | hi all. I am having trouble moving my evolution contact database to the neo. it worked before. it probably has something to do with my upgrade to ubuntu 8.04. is it not compatible? |
| 18:42.54 | XorA|gone | zween_: there was a gnome upgrade, maybe data structures changed |
| 18:43.23 | XorA|gone | zween_: the OH guys are the best to ask, they wrote pimlico and probably keep an eye on evolution changes |
| 18:44.08 | zween_ | hmm. that's what I though it might. Was just hoping someone else might have succeeded in doing so, so that I can continue looking for the problem on my end. |
| 18:46.31 | cb22 | tthinks there is a conspiracy against him |
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| 18:47.09 | summatusmentis | cb22: sssh!!! you're not supposed to know |
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| 18:47.33 | cb22 | summatusmentis: the black helicopters just made it obvious :( |
| 18:47.46 | summatusmentis | umm... no... those aren't ours |
| 18:48.07 | cb22 | cd /usr/ports/www/lighttpd; make WITH_BLACKHELICOPTERS=yes |
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| 18:54.53 | kdean06 | I'm not happy with the decision to add git updates to the commits list. :( |
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| 19:14.34 | SpeedEvil | We could do with chroot environment for apps. I hear reiserfs is good for jails. |
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| 19:17.24 | ewon | SpeedEvil: going to hell |
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| 19:22.22 | cb22 | bwahaha |
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| 19:28.39 | tushyd | so they dropped the price to $399? that's pretty great. Does anyone have any estimates on when it'll be released? |
| 19:29.37 | CVirus | within weeks |
| 19:29.43 | CVirus | hopefuly |
| 19:30.51 | ewon | Real Soon Now |
| 19:33.03 | SpeedEvil | Freerunner forever! |
| 19:33.30 | tushyd | nice |
| 19:33.39 | tushyd | that makes me happy, will it be pretty stable? |
| 19:33.57 | SpeedEvil | It will _not_ be consumer ready. |
| 19:34.12 | tushyd | how about power users? :) |
| 19:34.21 | tushyd | i think I might get it anyways |
| 19:34.21 | SpeedEvil | Barring huge and unexpected software changes. |
| 19:34.48 | SpeedEvil | It's fine as a small linux box with basic phone functions. |
| 19:35.07 | SpeedEvil | More advanced stuff is slowly coming. |
| 19:36.08 | tushyd | yeah. As for phone functions, as long as it can make calls from the dialer and addressbook, I think that'll be suitable |
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| 19:40.11 | mmontour | Another "basic phone function" is acceptable audio quality. My GTA01 gives a strong echo to the caller on the other end, and I'm not confident that GTA02 will be any better. |
| 19:40.58 | kdean06 | That echo is stronger or weaker depending on the other caller. It's pretty bad on my wife's phone but barely noticable on my work phone. |
| 19:41.19 | mjr | mixer settings apparently do affect it |
| 19:41.31 | mjr | hopefully they can fix it up a bit... |
| 19:41.42 | kdean06 | I have had worse on comercial phones. :P |
| 19:42.19 | kdean06 | I'd rather be able to plug in my headphones and listen to my podcasts at work than have the echo removed. :P |
| 19:42.34 | mmontour | The mixer settings affect it, but at the expense of turning down the volume for the intended signals. |
| 19:42.42 | mjr | though, it's pretty bleh that the echo thing has been known for ages and it's still going strong in the default install |
| 19:43.39 | kdean06 | mjr, There has been so little work don't on the userspace since January I'm CONVINCED that Openmoko has a suite of apps sitting ready to replace these ones. :P |
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| 20:08.21 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03werner * r4414 10/trunk/src/host/devirginator/environment.in: environment.in: added boot parameter "quiet", which is set with -D QUIET |
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| 20:33.51 | kdean06 | ScaredyCat, Are your Qtopia images working yet? |
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| 21:27.35 | kinneh | is nightlies broken ? |
| 21:28.03 | kinneh | from today (20080501) has no X |
| 21:30.21 | kinneh | well it has the graphical statusbar during startus then returns to textmode |
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| 21:33.55 | cb22 | reads the discussion on the hardware list about a MPU for GTA04.... why not just put in a 4000mah lipoly battery, problem solved :) |
| 21:36.53 | cb22 | josch_: camisole yet? :p |
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| 22:05.51 | saleh | hi all, I was trying to build openmoko but the following error occured http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9611/ can any help me please ? |
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| 22:27.39 | mohamed_ | saleh: I have the same problem can any one help us ? |
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| 22:30.09 | mohamed_ | hello, can any one help us with that problem ?? |
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| 22:33.48 | abraxa_ | saleh: Might wanna try putting GLIBC_GENERATE_LOCALES = "en_GB.UTF-8" into your local.conf |
| 22:34.04 | abraxa_ | Then the problematic locale shouldn't be built anymore |
| 22:34.15 | abraxa_ | Not a *real* fix per se but if it works... |
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| 22:34.51 | saleh | abraxa: will that give me a correct build as before ? |
| 22:35.22 | abraxa_ | saleh: Yeah, just won't build *all* libc locales. Only the English one |
| 22:37.31 | doc|work | lysanderslair: mind if I ask where in canada you are? Interested in getting a phone? I'm arranging a group for vancouver, know people arranging one for more easterly orders |
| 22:40.59 | mohamed_ | abraxa: I think you're right, I've seen that statement in an old local.conf file, I'm trying it now, and I'll tell you |
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| 22:52.57 | saleh | abraxa: falied :( , http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9624/ |
| 22:54.28 | saleh | abraxa: I'm using ubuntu 8.04, and the error says permission denied, does this mean that I have to resolve a security lock ? |
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| 23:03.54 | saleh | can any one help me with that problem http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/9624/ ? |
| 23:04.52 | mickeyl | that looks like qemu does not run for you |
| 23:05.06 | mickeyl | why is beyond my ideas, but i can tell you how to disable using it to generate locales |
| 23:05.19 | mickeyl | ENABLE_BINARY_LOCALE_GENERATION = "0" |
| 23:05.22 | mickeyl | into your local.conf |
| 23:05.23 | mickeyl | then rebuild |
| 23:05.56 | saleh | mickeyl: will this give me a correct build as before ? |
| 23:09.23 | mickeyl | a "correct" build? |
| 23:09.29 | mickeyl | well, it will give you a build |
| 23:09.37 | mickeyl | without binary generated locales |
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| 23:11.07 | saleh | mickeyl: but that won't allow me to run openmoko using qemu |
| 23:12.33 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r294 10/trunk/specifications/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.xml.in: |
| 23:12.33 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.xml.in: simplify and improve call progress signals based on |
| 23:12.33 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: spyre's comments. This feels much better now. |
| 23:12.52 | doc|work | heh |
| 23:13.22 | mickeyl | well, who knows. system emulation may still work |
| 23:13.26 | saleh | mickeyl: I used to build openmoko on ubuntu 7.10 without problems, just follow the instructions on the website, but with 8.04 I experienced that strange problem |
| 23:13.52 | mickeyl | hmm, well, 8.4 is very new. i doubt many people are building with it |
| 23:13.55 | mickeyl | yet |
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| 23:16.52 | mohamed_ | mickeyl: I'm using 8.04 too should I switch to 7.10 to have no problems ? |
| 23:17.21 | mickeyl | either that or debug and help us fixing :) |
| 23:21.37 | mohamed_ | mickeyl: you're one of the openmoko team, :) , I'll do my best to help you, I love openmoko :) |
| 23:21.58 | mickeyl | thanks :) |
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| 23:37.16 | mickeyl | spyre: finished with call reorg. Sent an email to smartphones-standards. g'night |
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