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| 00:15.39 | balrog-kun | my guess is it will be such that it will feel strange to call it power saving |
| 00:17.13 | nicfer | is there something you can do in a computer that you wouldn't do on a freerunner besides gaming? |
| 00:18.52 | SpeedEvil | software development. |
| 00:19.42 | SpeedEvil | playing video. |
| 00:19.46 | summatusmentis | graphic design |
| 00:19.55 | summatusmentis | creating video |
| 00:20.11 | summatusmentis | rendering high-res 3d images, etc. |
| 00:20.24 | summatusmentis | type on a qwerty keyboard :) |
| 00:30.55 | nicfer | I saw somewhere that video playback would be possible because of the faster processor |
| 00:31.07 | SpeedEvil | There are problems. |
| 00:31.17 | SpeedEvil | the faster processor is overshadowed by the graphics chip. |
| 00:31.36 | SpeedEvil | which has a fundamental limit in that it's connected to the CPU by wet string. |
| 00:32.21 | nicfer | normal phones have that function, why the freerunner don't? |
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| 00:33.10 | SpeedEvil | Because normal phones have a much, much larger dev budget. |
| 00:33.32 | SpeedEvil | And having said that - it will play video - just not as well or as smoothly as it might ideally. |
| 00:35.16 | nicfer | well, youtube won't work either because it needs flash player |
| 00:35.40 | SpeedEvil | 'needs' is strong. |
| 00:35.52 | SpeedEvil | plays most of his youtube with mplayer |
| 00:36.14 | summatusmentis | SpeedEvil: really? how? |
| 00:36.17 | SpeedEvil | also - gnash can do youtube. |
| 00:36.45 | SpeedEvil | summatusmentis: find the youtube flash - the one on cache.googlevideo.com - point mplayer at it. |
| 00:36.48 | SpeedEvil | job done |
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| 00:42.55 | SpeedEvil | Try mplayer http://cache.googlevideo.com/get_video?video_id=NrqHHBibRvs&origin=nyc-v139.nyc.youtube.com&signature=8A47651EC9D2D3F46817C550B55E4CE4E2A10DA0.8D9FEB2B8BC11886BC42227E0C00586882975784&ip=81.174.132.210&ipbits=16&expire=1209451311&key=yt1&sver=2 |
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| 00:45.20 | SpeedEvil | On the side-issue - that's great marketing. |
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| 00:46.49 | summatusmentis | SpeedEvil: I see |
| 00:48.21 | nicfer | I tested it with vlc player, it also works |
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| 00:52.30 | summatusmentis | I don't have mplayer on this machine, but that's intriguing |
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| 01:40.59 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03werner * r4406 10/trunk/src/host/envedit/ (24 files in 3 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 01:40.59 | CIA-42 | openmoko: Add regression tests, fix various parser bugs, most of them hidden by the |
| 01:40.59 | CIA-42 | openmoko: preprocessor. |
| 01:40.59 | CIA-42 | openmoko: - added README and CHANGES |
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| 09:49.24 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r279 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Fixed store message in gsmd2, libfreesmartphone and modemui |
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| 10:42.13 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03zecke * r622dbc69985b 10/src/build/bin/configure: [build] Do not force -no-qdbus. For some people this option is "sticky" which makes them "stinky" |
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| 11:00.17 | mbuf | will SIM application toolkit commands work with the Neo1973/FreeRunner models? |
| 11:02.21 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r280 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/src/sms.c: Added the ability to delete messages. |
| 11:03.52 | mbuf | never mind, found the answer here, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/gsmd-devel/2007-March/000009.html |
| 11:04.15 | SpeedEvil | mbuf: no |
| 11:04.27 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, ok |
| 11:04.29 | SpeedEvil | mbuf: at loeast - not without current firmware |
| 11:04.55 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, but, the TWL3014 has support for it, i believe |
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| 11:05.44 | SpeedEvil | that's the analog bit - it doesn't support anything. |
| 11:06.02 | SpeedEvil | Or at least - there has been no published command set for it. |
| 11:13.37 | SpeedEvil | And as I understand it, even the leaked calypso docs do not address it - they do not document the firmware. |
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| 11:27.23 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, ok |
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| 12:21.58 | SpeedEvil | Who would buy for $25 an adjustable window-mount - as found on many GPSs - with a USB cable attachment for charging in use? |
| 12:22.44 | SpeedEvil | On an unrelated matter - does tangogps support showing heading to a waypoint? |
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| 12:28.09 | pyknite | no news about the freerunner since the 14rd?? |
| 12:28.28 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:28.33 | SpeedEvil | there is no news. |
| 12:29.10 | pyknite | erf :( |
| 12:29.29 | pyknite | is depressing... need a freerunner |
| 12:30.48 | SpeedEvil | wonders why his phone is not responding, and taking several minutes to let me log in to ssh. |
| 12:32.44 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. Responding to pings, but functionally hung. |
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| 12:35.49 | SpeedEvil | Interesting. |
| 12:36.04 | SpeedEvil | The on my neo appeared to stop. |
| 12:36.08 | SpeedEvil | the RTC |
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| 12:47.55 | broedj1 | what is that stroke recognizer? I found some doc about xstroke, but that are not the openmoko templates... i hope. do i need plastic surgery? |
| 12:48.03 | SpeedEvil | xstroke is close |
| 12:48.08 | SpeedEvil | it's matchbox-stroke |
| 12:48.08 | broedj1 | huh? |
| 12:48.18 | SpeedEvil | if that's the one I'm thinking of. |
| 12:48.30 | SpeedEvil | It's like xstroke, but doesn't do rotations IIRC. |
| 12:48.54 | broedj1 | hm.... i mean that thing, which formed as the 3rd alternative after "keyboard" and ol' good Keyboard" |
| 12:49.41 | broedj1 | i think i mean the ipkg matchbox stroke... where are the templates? |
| 12:49.54 | SpeedEvil | Hangon. I know this. |
| 12:50.04 | broedj1 | or may i teach the app myself? |
| 12:50.06 | SpeedEvil | is suffering from a parity error. |
| 12:50.18 | SpeedEvil | You can teach it. |
| 12:50.36 | broedj1 | needs to control the stroke recogniser a LOT |
| 12:50.47 | SpeedEvil | You know how xstroke works? |
| 12:50.51 | SpeedEvil | nine zones, ... |
| 12:50.54 | broedj1 | you toldme |
| 12:51.01 | broedj1 | the grids... |
| 12:51.08 | broedj1 | any link? |
| 12:51.17 | SpeedEvil | I forget where the recogniser file was. |
| 12:51.22 | SpeedEvil | you can customise it |
| 12:51.37 | broedj1 | nevermind.... hm teach it... that is evil |
| 12:52.06 | SpeedEvil | http://cworth.org/~cworth/papers/xstroke/html/ |
| 12:52.11 | broedj1 | :D never taught anything since i threw dragondictate win98 in the trash |
| 12:52.25 | SpeedEvil | No - you can teach it with vi! |
| 12:52.26 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 12:52.51 | SpeedEvil | 'This same technique can be used to encode robust gesture classes for sophisticated shapes. As a rather extreme example, the following regular expression represents a robust class of `B' shapes for xstroke: b = grid("([12]*[45][78]|[12][45]+[78]?)?[78]*[4]*(1?[2][369]+|1[25][369]*)([369]+[25]+8?[147]?[258]*[369]+|[25]*8?[147]+[258]+[369]*)([369]*[58][74]+|[369]+[58][74]*)"). This single expression describes the three ideal variations of the `B' s |
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| 12:53.01 | broedj1 | i saw that..... the jpeg part of it... and it has nothing to do with the ipkg installed recognition |
| 12:53.17 | SpeedEvil | jpeg part? |
| 12:53.32 | SpeedEvil | oh - it's not fullscreen |
| 12:53.36 | SpeedEvil | only on the little white pad |
| 12:53.43 | broedj1 | well, the WAY you make the chars..... yes the pad |
| 12:53.56 | broedj1 | should it be fullscreen? |
| 12:54.03 | SpeedEvil | but the stuff on the grid recongiser is accurate |
| 12:54.12 | broedj1 | like on sony ericsson pxxx |
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| 12:54.34 | broedj1 | teach vi.... rofl |
| 12:54.37 | broedj1 | cool |
| 12:56.25 | broedj1 | the stroke recognizer really works for me.... it is a lot faster than e.g. the A780 montavista crap, but i definitely need the "i" character :D |
| 12:57.15 | SpeedEvil | oh - you want a list of strokes? |
| 12:57.20 | broedj1 | yaaa |
| 12:57.48 | broedj1 | the --- preinstalled -- ones.... i am not the best in teaching |
| 12:58.07 | SpeedEvil | find /etc /var /lib -print0|xargs -0 grep grid |
| 12:58.12 | broedj1 | waaaa |
| 12:58.13 | SpeedEvil | should find you the config file |
| 12:58.20 | SpeedEvil | looks for a default |
| 12:58.45 | SpeedEvil | ah - right - 2/3 of the way down that page is a list |
| 12:59.03 | SpeedEvil | It has 'i' as a vertical stroke down |
| 12:59.42 | broedj1 | grml... i would have never imagined that |
| 12:59.54 | broedj1 | but thanks |
| 13:00.01 | SpeedEvil | Does it work? |
| 13:00.09 | SpeedEvil | xstroke has big limitations. |
| 13:00.17 | SpeedEvil | but it's very, very cheap to recognise. |
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| 13:06.57 | broedj1 | uh... what i wanted to post was after the install it just seemed to interpret the ascii codes to the terminal.... like nubbers 147589 and so on...but yesterday , strangely , it just worked nice |
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| 13:08.44 | broedj1 | who knows why my grml-debian exits the Xserver when i press like shift-backspace? |
| 13:09.50 | broedj1 | i did an ipkg xstroke matchbox-stroke and a third thing, but just the matchbox one was found, IIRC |
| 13:11.35 | broedj1 | but the "i" ... there was no way.... sorry but vertikal stroke my ass |
| 13:11.57 | broedj1 | vertical stroke grml |
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| 13:19.03 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r282 10/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd/ (9 files in 2 dirs): added patches from marcel |
| 13:19.37 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r283 10/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd/data/gsm0710muxd: added init.d script |
| 13:19.50 | broedj1 | is excited |
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| 14:10.03 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4408 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/Makefile.am: opkg: clean up libopkg Makefile.am a bit |
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| 14:33.11 | *** topic/#openmoko by spydon -> Welcome to the Openmoko support and discussion channel! The Freerunner phone (with wifi) will be released at some time. | Official status: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | Want 3G in the successor? http://blog.automated.it/j #grub |
| 14:33.43 | SpeedEvil | That's an ingenious typo. |
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| 14:35.02 | *** topic/#openmoko by SpeedEvil -> Welcome to the Openmoko support and discussion channel! The Freerunner phone (with wifi) will be released at some time. | Official status: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates |
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| 14:35.16 | spydon | Oh lol sorry :P |
| 14:35.26 | spydon | I wondered where that text went :P |
| 14:35.35 | apol | does anybody here have a definition for "at some time"? |
| 14:35.45 | summatusmentis | no |
| 14:35.45 | SpeedEvil | Nope. |
| 14:35.45 | spydon | at some time = never ;) |
| 14:36.21 | spydon | It cant be too long now hopefully... |
| 14:36.41 | summatusmentis | well, unless destructive testing shows that the FreeRunners blow up when dropped |
| 14:36.52 | summatusmentis | or something |
| 14:37.17 | apol | good to hear that :P |
| 14:37.23 | XorA | punts a freerunner at summatusmentis to test |
| 14:37.30 | apol | I'll try to keep in touch :P |
| 14:37.32 | SpeedEvil | watches summatusmentis explode. |
| 14:37.34 | summatusmentis | runs, he can't catch |
| 14:38.33 | summatusmentis | apic: we know it's in the destructive testing phase, assuming that goes well, they'll then start ramping up for mass production |
| 14:38.36 | summatusmentis | but we don't know |
| 14:38.50 | summatusmentis | oh, and apol, see above |
| 14:38.53 | summatusmentis | sorry apic :) |
| 14:38.57 | SpeedEvil | Assuming that an oops isn't found due to increasing driver coverage. |
| 14:39.18 | apol | summatusmentis: :D |
| 14:39.18 | summatusmentis | increasing driver converage? |
| 14:39.22 | summatusmentis | new kernel? |
| 14:39.37 | SpeedEvil | As software drivers are written more fully, hardware problems can be revealerd. |
| 14:39.58 | summatusmentis | that's true I suppose, I assumed all the drivers were in place |
| 14:40.06 | summatusmentis | I thought that's part of what OM's job was? |
| 14:41.12 | apol | drivers will be fixed when hackers have openmoko hw :P |
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| 14:47.18 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r284 10/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 14:47.18 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: gsm0710muxd: catch up with dbus bus renaming to org.pyneo.muxer, fix system service activation |
| 14:47.18 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: (pending changing bus name in executable) |
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| 14:55.01 | CVirus | MichaelShiloh: there ? |
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| 15:13.26 | ccfly | hello folks :) |
| 15:13.45 | summatusmentis | hi ccfly |
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| 15:53.09 | broedj3 | wenn ich cdc_ether und ssh mit Xnest benutze, bekomme ich ein "unhandled event" diesmal immerhin erst nach einer halben Stunde |
| 15:53.19 | broedj3 | Sorry |
| 15:54.50 | broedj3 | an Xnest connection to a Openezx device worked for at least half an hour... |
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| 17:56.21 | mick_home | hi everyone |
| 17:57.01 | mick_home | i'm looking to get a new phone -- and i'd like to know if i should wait for the Freerunner to come out or not |
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| 17:57.58 | ahven | the hardware will be ready, but the software is still in delevopment |
| 17:57.58 | summatusmentis | we don't know when it's coming |
| 17:58.04 | ahven | yeah, that too :) |
| 17:58.16 | mick_home | well - i'm a developer :) |
| 17:58.51 | summatusmentis | we're thinking soon, but it's feasible that something horrible happened during destructive testing, or as device drivers become more developed bugs are found, which would then delay mass market |
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| 17:59.29 | mick_home | as long as i can make a phone call with it - i'm good. as far as drivers are concerned, i'm ok w/ alpha quality stuff (like wifi driver etc) |
| 18:00.16 | summatusmentis | afaik, phone calls work |
| 18:00.33 | summatusmentis | but I don't know, I'm just a poor college student, who doesn't have any money to spend :) |
| 18:00.42 | mick_home | :) |
| 18:00.59 | raboof | is in that boat: i'm afraid openmoko won't be very impressive in both the hardware (form factor and specs), price or software aspects, but for me the openness will probably make up for it :) |
| 18:01.56 | mick_home | ya, i don't care about features (as long as i can make phone calls) |
| 18:02.18 | mick_home | if the hardware is there, and i can get to a command prompt w/ a compiler - i'm good ;) |
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| 18:03.13 | mick_home | i see a UART interface |
| 18:03.15 | mick_home | sweet |
| 18:03.27 | mick_home | that along w/ wifi - i'm good to go |
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| 18:05.32 | summatusmentis | I'm not needing 3G, or the skinniest phone in the world, I want a smartphone, that I can use like a small computer :) |
| 18:05.40 | mick_home | right |
| 18:06.04 | mick_home | i'm still thinking if i should go with a Neo1973 |
| 18:06.20 | raboof | mick_home: not sure, but i think the prompt on the neo won't have a compiler |
| 18:06.35 | mick_home | well i can cross compile |
| 18:06.37 | SpeedEvil | It won't. You can though. |
| 18:06.38 | raboof | exactly |
| 18:06.45 | SpeedEvil | I've run GCC natively. |
| 18:06.47 | mick_home | if i can get to it via a UART board - i'm good |
| 18:06.48 | SpeedEvil | It's not that slow. |
| 18:07.01 | raboof | SpeedEvil: cool ;) |
| 18:07.13 | SpeedEvil | It's not especially fast of course. |
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| 18:07.43 | raboof | yeah, and I imagine once you want to link other libs you're going to feel the memory constraints? |
| 18:07.56 | SpeedEvil | It's basically not bad. |
| 18:08.08 | SpeedEvil | You can setup swap on the SD. |
| 18:08.12 | SpeedEvil | And it just works. |
| 18:08.18 | raboof | that's neat |
| 18:09.49 | mick_home | the status report doesn't give a date |
| 18:09.59 | SpeedEvil | Of course - if you want to have absolutely all the source on the phone for everything, then you're going to run into problems, unless you can steal a 16G microSD prototype :) |
| 18:10.03 | mick_home | i found out that i can get out of my verizon contract |
| 18:10.23 | mick_home | nah, don't want to recompile everything |
| 18:10.31 | mick_home | i'd just like to develop apps for it |
| 18:10.35 | mick_home | for myself |
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| 18:12.32 | raboof | one of the big pluses for me is that you can't only add software, you can also hack the 'base' functions of the phone |
| 18:12.35 | raboof | that's pretty unique |
| 18:13.22 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
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| 18:16.25 | cb22_ | boo :( gcc-cross-initial is failing with mokomakefile |
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| 18:22.43 | djk_ | Anyone seen problem with gtk+-directfb dependency: http://www.pastebin.ca/955024 ? Issue or ignore? |
| 18:23.03 | SpeedEvil | has been playing with tangoGPS in the car. |
| 18:23.06 | SpeedEvil | Fun. |
| 18:23.20 | SpeedEvil | Is the author on IRC? |
| 18:23.24 | SpeedEvil | looks around the room. |
| 18:24.02 | summatusmentis | SpeedEvil: does it work? |
| 18:24.13 | SpeedEvil | Sure. |
| 18:24.16 | SpeedEvil | Very handy. |
| 18:24.37 | SpeedEvil | Lets me load OSM mapping for an area, then drive off the edges. |
| 18:24.37 | summatusmentis | sean is posting more obscure blog posts |
| 18:25.10 | summatusmentis | it let's you drive off the edges? what does that mean? |
| 18:25.23 | SpeedEvil | OSM - openstreetmap - is a user generated mpa. |
| 18:25.25 | SpeedEvil | map |
| 18:25.37 | SpeedEvil | Hence, it has edges, where there are dragons. |
| 18:25.43 | SpeedEvil | Or at least, missing bits. |
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| 18:26.15 | SpeedEvil | If you find a turning left in reality, where there is no one shown on the map, then going down it and adding to the map extends the map. |
| 18:26.29 | summatusmentis | but it'll give you directions and stuff, it's functional? |
| 18:26.34 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 18:26.39 | SpeedEvil | It gives a moving map. |
| 18:26.45 | summatusmentis | ok |
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| 18:28.01 | SpeedEvil | with your position highlighted, and your current speed. |
| 18:28.37 | summatusmentis | cool :) |
| 18:28.42 | summatusmentis | http://www.jollen.org/blog/2008/04/qt_iphone_like_graphics.html <-what is this? |
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| 18:31.06 | summatusmentis | oh wait, Google translator can tell me :) |
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| 18:36.19 | broedj3 | altogether, the freerunner/openmoko needs to have at least the powermanagement qualities of the montavista a780, backlight and a 2.6 kernel console: thats what i missed on the agenda vr3 |
| 18:37.08 | broedj3 | and maybe an edible antenna |
| 18:37.33 | raboof | broedj3: I missed a SIM card slot ;) |
| 18:37.44 | broedj3 | nah |
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| 18:37.58 | broedj3 | i have another phone |
| 18:38.00 | SpeedEvil | PM is getting there slowly. |
| 18:38.13 | SpeedEvil | resume is coming together. |
| 18:38.24 | SpeedEvil | (for GTA01) |
| 18:38.35 | raboof | for a replacement for the vr3 i'd go for a nokia n810 - but it's not a phone, and i'm looking for a phone :) |
| 18:38.49 | broedj3 | nobody wants to telephone with an LCD television on the ear |
| 18:39.17 | broedj3 | you might take an old siemens for that |
| 18:39.23 | minivan | I want, send me one. |
| 18:39.35 | broedj3 | address |
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| 18:39.58 | minivan | sounds like a scam. =O |
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| 18:42.12 | broedj3 | bluetooth keyboard vs palm or SE p800 like HW recog. I take the latter |
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| 18:42.28 | SpeedEvil | HW recog is annoying |
| 18:42.59 | broedj3 | a mobile 2.6 terminal which can phone. that is a revolution |
| 18:43.00 | SpeedEvil | In that it's hard to program nicely |
| 18:43.01 | broedj3 | you never had an sony ericsson p800 or later |
| 18:43.02 | broedj3 | it UNDERSTANDS you |
| 18:43.32 | broedj3 | Yes. that might be. |
| 18:43.59 | Gottox | I don't want a phone which understands me, I want to understand the phone :) |
| 18:44.21 | broedj3 | but p800 is 6 Years old |
| 18:45.21 | broedj3 | HW recog is sort of the only true mobile solution |
| 18:45.44 | broedj3 | i did it while walking.... no way with ol' good keyboard |
| 18:46.20 | SpeedEvil | Sure there is |
| 18:46.21 | SpeedEvil | T9 |
| 18:46.26 | SpeedEvil | Or similar |
| 18:46.54 | raboof | does the OM software do T9 yet btw? I briefly tried the qemu image and didn't notice it |
| 18:46.59 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 18:47.03 | SpeedEvil | T9 has patent problems |
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| 18:47.08 | raboof | SpeedEvil: lol :) |
| 18:47.31 | raboof | bah :) |
| 18:48.14 | edistar | raboof: raster is working on something |
| 18:48.28 | broedj3 | and this thing in this ipkg repo can do the same. i feel it |
| 18:49.32 | SpeedEvil | clones raster. |
| 18:49.53 | SpeedEvil | how does it compare with when you open it on your desktop? |
| 18:49.54 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 18:50.44 | edistar | SpeedEvil: the neo looks much better in hw than on my desktop -_- :) |
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| 19:05.16 | ewon | my TyTn II arrived |
| 19:05.19 | ewon | it's shiny hardware |
| 19:07.37 | summatusmentis | are you actually gonna use it? It looks kinda pretty... except for the windows part |
| 19:08.27 | ewon | right now it's got a pretty bloated AT&T rom on it |
| 19:08.36 | ewon | I'll be putting on a cut-down dutty rom this evening |
| 19:10.12 | summatusmentis | what is the cut-down rom? |
| 19:11.27 | ewon | basicalyl it's a standard wm6 rom, with the cruft removed |
| 19:11.29 | ewon | *basically |
| 19:11.37 | ewon | released by a dude called dutty |
| 19:12.09 | ewon | now all I have to figure out is how to do windows mobile development from my Debian box :) |
| 19:14.36 | summatusmentis | I don't like windows mobile |
| 19:16.05 | Vegar | ewon: doesn't HTC have their own finger-friendly thing they add on top of WM6? |
| 19:16.12 | quicksand | djk_: I get that error all the time. It hasn't caused any problems. |
| 19:16.24 | ewon | Vegar: yeah, the cube. the dutty roms include it |
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| 19:19.31 | nicfer | one question, is correct that the iphone's processor is underclocked to 450mhz? |
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| 19:40.55 | legion | when is the gta02 supposed to be released to the general public |
| 19:41.19 | edistar | legion: this year |
| 19:41.31 | SirBob1701 | haha |
| 19:41.32 | legion | like this summer? |
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| 19:41.45 | edistar | legion: yes |
| 19:42.06 | edistar | legion: june maybe |
| 19:42.53 | legion | do you know anything about the pcb layout and if the camera interface pins of the processor will be accessable? |
| 19:43.10 | SpeedEvil | There are no camera interface pins accessible. |
| 19:45.13 | nicfer | wikipedia says that iphone's processor is ~600mhz, but it is underclocked to 450mhz, is that right? |
| 19:45.26 | SpeedEvil | Join #apple |
| 19:45.27 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 19:45.29 | SpeedEvil | Dunno. |
| 19:45.42 | SpeedEvil | underclocking isn't uncommon. |
| 19:45.46 | SpeedEvil | For several reasons. |
| 19:46.11 | SpeedEvil | mostly power/thermal related. |
| 19:46.54 | legion | i want to use this to control an autonomous robot |
| 19:47.31 | SpeedEvil | points at http://tincantools.com/ |
| 19:47.37 | SpeedEvil | though it doesn't have exported camera eitehr, you can use USB1.1 webcams |
| 19:48.04 | SpeedEvil | And it's available now and much cheaper than the freerunner. |
| 19:48.12 | SpeedEvil | Of course, no LCD, GSM, GPS, ... |
| 19:50.22 | legion | yeah thats kind of why i wanted to use a cell phone |
| 19:50.37 | SpeedEvil | What do you actuaslly need? |
| 19:51.03 | legion | i dont need any of it |
| 19:51.22 | legion | just thought it would be cool to play with |
| 19:51.55 | SpeedEvil | I'm contemplating using the tincantools thing - it's largely identical to the neo - which is nice. |
| 19:51.57 | summatusmentis | need in the sense of "what functionality are you looking for" |
| 19:52.20 | SpeedEvil | (from teh software side) |
| 19:52.35 | SpeedEvil | And with the neo, I don't want to risk smacking it into the ground at 100MPH. |
| 19:53.16 | summatusmentis | SpeedEvil: why would something be travelling at the ground at 100MPH? |
| 19:53.26 | SpeedEvil | Because it's going on a flying thing. |
| 19:53.28 | unknown_lamer | bah I want a damn freerunner now I can't even SMS on my phone now (damn keypad!) |
| 19:53.39 | summatusmentis | SpeedEvil: ooh... :) |
| 19:53.43 | edistar | unknown_lamer: lol, keep calm |
| 19:53.45 | unknown_lamer | I'm just waiting for the flash to start going bad (I mean ... 4+ years is pushing it I think) |
| 19:53.52 | legion | why is this processor so expensive |
| 19:54.08 | SpeedEvil | And if I get the gravity vector the wrong way down, it's going to smack really, really hard with 500W going into 1Kg from 1Km altitude. |
| 19:54.10 | summatusmentis | unknown_lamer: I think my screen on my razr will go before anything else |
| 19:54.11 | unknown_lamer | of course it looks like there will be evil issues with gsm and suspend so I'll have to wait until they are resolved before I can risk $400 :-\ |
| 19:54.12 | broedj3 | Gottox: i want to phone |
| 19:54.42 | SpeedEvil | legion: what processor? |
| 19:54.45 | edistar | SpeedEvil: what kind of flying thing? |
| 19:54.49 | CVirus | unknown_lamer: where did you read that ? |
| 19:54.56 | unknown_lamer | CVirus: -kernel |
| 19:54.56 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/test.png |
| 19:55.02 | CVirus | unknown_lamer: ah ok |
| 19:55.13 | unknown_lamer | CVirus: basically it looks like the modem doesn't do flow control i.e. the problems will persist in gta02 |
| 19:55.14 | SpeedEvil | edistar: thrust vectored helicopter type thingy. |
| 19:55.19 | legion | the samsung chip on a breakout board is 140$??? |
| 19:55.24 | CVirus | wtf |
| 19:55.30 | summatusmentis | SpeedEvil: what's the purpose of this flying thing? |
| 19:55.31 | edistar | SpeedEvil: nice |
| 19:55.36 | SpeedEvil | legion: it's not a breakout board. |
| 19:55.40 | edistar | SpeedEvil: exactly my plan :P |
| 19:55.57 | SpeedEvil | legion: it's a complete booting linux system. |
| 19:56.07 | edistar | SpeedEvil: but with 3 rotors :) |
| 19:56.12 | unknown_lamer | CVirus: hopefully it's just a matter of sending some funky AT code to the modem or something ... or at worst a quick firmware patch |
| 19:56.25 | unknown_lamer | quick being relative to replacing the modem hardware |
| 19:56.29 | SpeedEvil | legion: just connect power, and a USB stick, and you've got connection over wifi forex. |
| 19:56.30 | CVirus | hopefuly |
| 19:56.32 | edistar | unknown_lamer: what is flow control? |
| 19:57.13 | unknown_lamer | edistar: on a uart flow control lets you tell the other device to stop transmitting when your fifo is full and then allow it to begin transmitting again when it is empty |
| 19:57.37 | edistar | oh, thats handy ;) |
| 19:57.40 | unknown_lamer | edistar: or in this case stop transmitting when the cpu is suspended and beging transmitting after the kernel is up enough to start reading from the uart |
| 19:58.09 | unknown_lamer | otherwise you just start losing bits which ... has the expected consequence |
| 19:58.12 | edistar | yep |
| 19:58.21 | edistar | thanks for the info |
| 19:58.25 | CVirus | draining power |
| 19:59.10 | unknown_lamer | and gsmd is dumb and just dies on these errors and thinks the modem is down depsite it working fine |
| 19:59.35 | edistar | unknown_lamer: ok, thats why gsm after resume isn't working yet? |
| 19:59.44 | SpeedEvil | It works for me. |
| 19:59.44 | edistar | unknown_lamer: do you know which bug it is? |
| 19:59.45 | unknown_lamer | IIRC yes for the most part |
| 19:59.53 | unknown_lamer | edistar: nope but let me find the thread on -kernel |
| 19:59.58 | SpeedEvil | mwester has been doing work on it. |
| 20:00.03 | SpeedEvil | And it seems mostly working. |
| 20:00.10 | edistar | ok |
| 20:00.17 | SpeedEvil | resume from SMS and calls seems to 'just work' |
| 20:00.37 | broedj3 | make it a great notepad, your NEO. the finepixled screen will surely support it. leave 5 MP cams to Sony |
| 20:00.41 | edistar | SpeedEvil: thats cool! |
| 20:01.07 | broedj3 | i know you cannot agree right now :-) |
| 20:01.07 | SpeedEvil | I want a camera. |
| 20:01.13 | SpeedEvil | Even if it's only 640*480 |
| 20:01.18 | unknown_lamer | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-April/002596.html |
| 20:01.29 | edistar | unknown_lamer: thx |
| 20:01.33 | unknown_lamer | np |
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| 20:01.40 | SpeedEvil | Cameras are not only for taking pictures to show to people. |
| 20:01.51 | broedj3 | didnt you say one can "client" any webcam on usb? |
| 20:01.59 | SpeedEvil | broedj3: sure. |
| 20:02.09 | broedj3 | which package? |
| 20:02.14 | SpeedEvil | broedj3:;2~ I thoguht you were talking of phones. |
| 20:02.23 | unknown_lamer | I kind of miss having a camera on my phone (bah, getting slammed into a rail at a metal show took care of that phone feature) |
| 20:02.59 | SpeedEvil | kaz: not really |
| 20:03.01 | SpeedEvil | oosp |
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| 20:03.50 | unknown_lamer | SpeedEvil: supposedly resume works most of the time ... which is not all of the time :-\ |
| 20:04.02 | unknown_lamer | SpeedEvil: a little delay in unsuspend -> lost data -> goodbye gsm |
| 20:04.04 | broedj3 | i dont say cams and wifi and 3G and Radiobuttons with gnome style bluez-remote is not nice - but it is just nice. everybody had an agenda vr3 right now, not only in russia, if it had gsm |
| 20:04.09 | SpeedEvil | I can only say that it works for me - with SMS |
| 20:04.38 | broedj3 | imagine, a telephone with AA cells |
| 20:04.57 | unknown_lamer | now I want a gta04 already :-) Luckily I am an /adult/ now so I should be able to afford to drop another $400 a year from now |
| 20:05.00 | broedj3 | ehm AAA |
| 20:05.04 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Wishlist:Camera |
| 20:05.40 | summatusmentis | unknown_lamer: a year? for GTA04? |
| 20:05.43 | broedj3 | you make me crazy with your fancy spyware blingbling |
| 20:06.02 | unknown_lamer | summatusmentis: it looks like they skipped gta03 for whatever reason? |
| 20:06.10 | summatusmentis | oh really? |
| 20:06.13 | unknown_lamer | yes |
| 20:06.26 | summatusmentis | where do you see that? kernel lists? |
| 20:06.28 | unknown_lamer | read the hardware and kernel lists they are not a waste of time like the community list |
| 20:06.53 | edistar | summatusmentis: raster said so |
| 20:07.22 | summatusmentis | oh, intersting |
| 20:08.32 | summatusmentis | are they listening to the poll? |
| 20:08.54 | SpeedEvil | What poll? |
| 20:08.58 | summatusmentis | yours |
| 20:09.06 | summatusmentis | that is no longer in the status |
| 20:09.11 | SpeedEvil | Oh. |
| 20:09.15 | SpeedEvil | That was never relevant. |
| 20:09.16 | SpeedEvil | IMO. |
| 20:09.20 | SpeedEvil | And it wasn't mine. |
| 20:09.23 | SpeedEvil | That was ScaredyCats. |
| 20:09.27 | summatusmentis | oh right, sorry |
| 20:09.40 | summatusmentis | it was supposed to be the 'community voicing it's opinion' |
| 20:09.41 | SpeedEvil | It's trivially obvious that if 3G can be done it should be. |
| 20:09.55 | summatusmentis | apparently not, which was raster's point |
| 20:10.03 | SpeedEvil | The community squeeking about it won't make 3G chipsets magically appear. |
| 20:10.28 | summatusmentis | well, true, but it might make OM work harder to find them, or get them to a price point where their reasonable, or w/e |
| 20:11.40 | SpeedEvil | There is a very long list of things that are obvious that users want, but are horrible to deliver in reality. |
| 20:12.00 | SpeedEvil | Infinite battery life, large bright screens in a tiny package, ... |
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| 20:13.52 | summatusmentis | sure, but there are also thing that would almost need to be done in order to be competitive, specs-wise |
| 20:14.35 | SpeedEvil | And some simply aren't practical. |
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| 20:15.40 | SpeedEvil | It's really trivial to implement many of the ideas - if you put in a million dollars or so of funding in to the hardware development. |
| 20:15.47 | summatusmentis | right |
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| 20:16.37 | SpeedEvil | Maybe more. The mobile phone chipset world is a _horrible_ one for the small development company. |
| 20:16.59 | SpeedEvil | Openmoko is helped greatly in that they can piggyback off FICs existing supplier relationships. |
| 20:17.29 | SpeedEvil | But that doesn't really help if they want to do something that FIC hasn't done. Using a new processor, GPU, or OS. |
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| 20:19.11 | ccfly | As far as GSM chips are concerned Telit has been very helpful even though we're not exactly a multibillion dolar corporation |
| 20:19.19 | SpeedEvil | Add to that that many vendors aren't really interested in small volume (<100K) - and it gets nasty. |
| 20:19.25 | SpeedEvil | ccfly: chips or modules? |
| 20:19.29 | ccfly | modules |
| 20:19.38 | SpeedEvil | Modules are a different case. |
| 20:19.47 | SpeedEvil | They are made for the small volume user largely. |
| 20:19.52 | ccfly | I see |
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| 20:20.08 | SpeedEvil | But they perhaps double the price of integrating it all on your own PCB. |
| 20:20.11 | SpeedEvil | And add volume. |
| 20:20.46 | ccfly | beats me but it doesn't hurt to ask |
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| 20:31.34 | broedj3 | nobody wants a phone that's flagship quality is "openness" . not even god himself |
| 20:31.43 | edistar | broedj3: I do |
| 20:32.46 | broedj3 | you know, the main use of a mobile phone in palestine? make it with magnesia alloy changeable housing |
| 20:33.30 | broedj3 | Yea, but one day you're an adult. and then you need stability |
| 20:33.53 | abraxa_ | broedj3: Most people here know why they're here. |
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| 20:34.56 | broedj3 | learn from Siemens. Your Project will be not paying one time, but the phones will survive, you can use a SL42 knee deep in pity |
| 20:37.04 | Weiss | -1 troll |
| 20:38.10 | legion | nobody wants an operating system whos flagship quality is openness |
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| 22:03.34 | *** topic/#openmoko is Welcome to the Openmoko support and discussion channel! The Freerunner phone (with wifi) will be released at some time. | Official status: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates |
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| 22:12.50 | broedj1 | how can i easiest crash the X server keeping the console happy? |
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| 22:19.57 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03zecke * r3cc97e26b71d 10/src/server/phone/phonelauncher.cpp: [dbus] Export the status/pin handling as /Status |
| 22:19.57 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03zecke * r2da762fa8888 10/src/server/phone/phonelauncher.cpp: [dbus] Create the object on the fly, no need for a local variable |
| 22:19.58 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03zecke * r10de97e1da34 10/src/server/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [sms] Allow to send SMS through Qtopia |
| 22:20.00 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03zecke * r312941ba907a 10/src/server/ (3 files in 2 dirs): [sms] Spec the interface to export SMS browsing driven by what QMailStore supports |
| 22:20.02 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03zecke * r42bfda1d1084 10/src/server/phone/ (smsstatusdbusexporter.cpp smsstatusdbusexporter.h): [sms] Attempt at an implementation to export the data |
| 22:20.05 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03zecke * rb193de145130 10/src/server/ (4 files in 2 dirs): [contact] Create an interface for diversity to export contacts, really simple |
| 22:20.08 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03zecke * r22ac516482a8 10/src/server/phone/contactdbusexporter.cpp: [contact] Initial implementation of the dbus interface for contacts |
| 22:26.49 | broedj1 | is "locate" somewhere? |
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| 23:25.54 | ccfly | good night folks |
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| 23:34.22 | broedj1 | as i dont know how to edit, could someone state to the Community_updates, that touching the touchscreen with the ear is not healthy and that every phone user should probably avoid it. in the wiki is a problem described, what about disabling the touchscreen for the main area and leaving a small spot for unlocking the touchscreen, so that one can make easy edits while speaking handsfree |
| 23:35.04 | broedj1 | so there will also be no erroneous irritations, on both sides |
| 23:35.52 | balrog-kun | why Community_updates? |
| 23:36.49 | SpeedEvil | broedj1: that's on the wiki in several places. |
| 23:41.48 | broedj1 | i just need love, i think |
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| 23:45.41 | SpeedEvil | broedj1: it has a vibrator. |
| 23:47.13 | broedj1 | uh |
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