| 00:05.33 | nicfer | accesories for the freerunner looks interesing |
| 00:19.05 | nicfer | is possible to connect keydrives to the freerunner? |
| 00:19.22 | mjr | yes, with an adapter |
| 00:19.53 | nicfer | usb to what? |
| 00:20.25 | mjr | usb male mini-b to usb female a |
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| 00:28.32 | nicfer | oh the powered one doesn't work? |
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| 00:30.32 | mjr | you have no idea what we're talking about, yes? |
| 00:31.43 | nicfer | hmmm what connectors have the freerunner? |
| 00:31.53 | nicfer | I saw it has got a normal usb and a mini usb |
| 00:32.12 | mjr | you saw wrong, it has a mini-b and that's it |
| 00:32.19 | mjr | (usb-wise) |
| 00:33.37 | mjr | the interface can be set in host or device mode, though obviously in host mode you'll need a special cable or adapter |
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| 00:51.27 | gnosy | anyone run netbsd on 1973? |
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| 05:25.46 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03werner * r4401 10/trunk/src/host/envedit/ (12 files): |
| 05:25.46 | CIA-42 | openmoko: Replacement for devirginator/envedit.pl |
| 05:25.46 | CIA-42 | openmoko: Improvements: |
| 05:25.46 | CIA-42 | openmoko: - no interminable CRC calculations in Perl |
| 05:25.46 | CIA-42 | openmoko: - if used with -n, can run in an environment without Perl |
| 05:25.47 | CIA-42 | openmoko: - options can be passed in any order |
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| 05:49.14 | josch_ | MichaelShiloh, mimi? |
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| 05:55.12 | microlith | su |
| 05:56.07 | ScaredyCat | password: |
| 05:56.29 | microlith | fortunately my phone doesn't have one |
| 05:56.37 | ScaredyCat | :) |
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| 06:11.58 | microlith | looks like the display config needs work bad, but yay, booting openmoko on a motorola a1200 b |
| 06:12.02 | microlith | -b |
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| 06:19.08 | josch_ | microlith, you have openmoko working on the motorola phone?? :-D |
| 06:19.27 | microlith | kinda |
| 06:19.36 | microlith | completely unusable, but it booted :) |
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| 06:20.08 | microlith | I think it rendered the entire UI using 3 colors |
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| 06:50.16 | methril | morning |
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| 07:03.09 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03werner * r4402 10/trunk/src/host/envedit/envcpp.pl: |
| 07:03.09 | CIA-42 | openmoko: - envcpp.pl: updated the title |
| 07:03.09 | CIA-42 | openmoko: - envcpp.pl: removed extension of @INC since we don't need @INC anymore |
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| 07:06.27 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:10.31 | methril | morning |
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| 07:16.38 | mbuf | is it possible anywhere to buy the FreeRunner across the counter? maybe at a dealer shop? |
| 07:17.20 | raster | it's currently not possible to buy a freerunner at all |
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| 07:55.05 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03werner * r4403 10/trunk/src/host/envedit/envcpp.pl: |
| 07:55.05 | CIA-42 | openmoko: - envcpp.pl: explicitly close stdout and check for errors to catch "disk full" |
| 07:55.05 | CIA-42 | openmoko: conditions |
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| 08:26.33 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r262 10/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd/ (5 files in 3 dirs): gsm0710muxd: prepare for 0.9.1 release |
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| 08:30.48 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r263 10/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd/TODO: add TODO |
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| 08:35.25 | comicinke2 | hi! the images for htc magician phone is quite old. how can I produce a new one? is there a makefile? |
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| 08:37.01 | comicinke2 | who made the old one? can I ask him to update the image? |
| 08:41.38 | pyknite | go on the xda-dev forum |
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| 09:11.36 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r264 10/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd/TODO: gsm071muxd: This is version 0.9.1 |
| 09:13.58 | comicinke2 | ok |
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| 09:17.34 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r265 10/tags/gsm0710muxd-0.9.1/ (11 files in 3 dirs): release gsm0710muxd 0.9.1 |
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| 09:40.17 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03rwhitby * r16 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Fixed dfu-util path in staging, and OpenMoko->Openmoko. Thx to cesarb and cibomahto. |
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| 10:17.39 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4404 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg_cmd.c: |
| 10:17.39 | CIA-42 | openmoko: opkg: Implement proper reordering of packages before configuring. |
| 10:17.39 | CIA-42 | openmoko: Patch from Alexandros Kostopoulos <akostop inaccessnetworks com> |
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| 10:57.28 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4405 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/ (Makefile.am configure.ac): opkg: set version number and distribute pkg-config file |
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| 11:12.38 | raster | well that sucks |
| 11:12.56 | raster | on new kernels if u have apm the powe_supply class still exists |
| 11:12.57 | raster | bah |
| 11:13.01 | raster | have to do extra checks now |
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| 12:52.10 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r266 10/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd/ (8 files in 3 dirs): |
| 12:52.10 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: marcel holtmanns patch applied |
| 12:52.10 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: error checks on snprintf |
| 12:52.10 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: auto detect pm path |
| 12:58.19 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r267 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (10 files in 4 dirs): |
| 12:58.19 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: Added some comments |
| 12:58.19 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: Fixed method parameters in libfreesmartphone and python files |
| 12:58.19 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: Added a (tempopary) status parameter to retrieve and list message methods to fso xml (to be removed once otapi stabilizes). |
| 12:58.23 | SpeedEvil | http://www.fastecimaging.com/pdf/PDF/Fastec_InLine_Datasheet.pdf Cool camera for GTA04 |
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| 13:20.19 | israel | o/ |
| 13:23.49 | israel | so, when will be freerunner out? in first may week? |
| 13:24.07 | SpeedEvil | See the topic for the precise time. |
| 13:24.30 | XorA | I think it will release on 42/42/2042 |
| 13:24.39 | israel | hm 42! |
| 13:25.13 | ScaredyCat | ~lart XorA |
| 13:25.13 | apt | lowers XorA's priority |
| 13:25.15 | israel | btw, where is some pre-reseler list? |
| 13:25.26 | ScaredyCat | apt, botsnack |
| 13:25.26 | apt | thanks, ScaredyCat |
| 13:25.37 | israel | except pulster, will someone resell the freerunner? |
| 13:26.55 | XorA | trisoft is AFAIK |
| 13:27.39 | israel | where is located trisfot? |
| 13:27.51 | israel | coz i'm from central europe :-) |
| 13:30.56 | XorA | www.trisoft.de |
| 13:31.10 | XorA | or look at the bottom of your nicks list on this channel :-) |
| 13:31.36 | ScaredyCat | wonders about an official reseller announcement |
| 13:31.52 | SpeedEvil | t-mobile, virgin, O2, ... |
| 13:31.54 | SpeedEvil | doubts. |
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| 13:33.19 | XorA | I would think Neo wont meat QA requirements for the networks |
| 13:33.29 | SpeedEvil | Not for some time. |
| 13:34.03 | XorA | or meet either |
| 13:34.12 | ScaredyCat | looks at SpeedEvil |
| 13:34.32 | ScaredyCat | corrects self |
| 13:34.34 | SpeedEvil | turns ScaredyCat to scone. |
| 13:34.44 | ScaredyCat | wonders about an official distributor announcement |
| 13:35.12 | XorA | mmmm, scone |
| 13:35.35 | SpeedEvil | butters ScaredyCat, and distributes bits around the channel. |
| 13:35.39 | ScaredyCat | what do you call a fruit bun in an F1 car? |
| 13:35.50 | XorA | Scone |
| 13:35.51 | bembel | \topic |
| 13:35.55 | ScaredyCat | nnnnnneeeeeeeeeeoooo sconw |
| 13:36.01 | ScaredyCat | nnnnnneeeeeeeeeeoooo scone |
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| 13:36.45 | ScaredyCat | wonders why SpeedEvil is greasing ScaredyCat down |
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| 13:41.10 | SpeedEvil | Is there an audio recorder? |
| 13:41.34 | mjr | that's what I'd like to know |
| 13:42.42 | israel | hmm |
| 13:43.04 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r269 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (17 files in 4 dirs): |
| 13:43.04 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: Rest of Device/GetInfo implemented |
| 13:43.04 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: Misc fixes |
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| 13:52.43 | summatusmentis | so we've got 3 days for the FreeRunner to come out in April :-P |
| 13:53.30 | israel | heh |
| 13:54.12 | israel | and it's acknowledged that freerunner will be relasead at begining of may? |
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| 13:54.31 | mjr | no, "at some time" :] |
| 13:54.36 | summatusmentis | we have no idea... it's acknowledged that it's in destruction testing, that's as much as we know |
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| 13:55.08 | israel | ahm |
| 13:55.49 | israel | coz, i'm interested in freerunner, coz i wanna exchange it for my fsc n560 and wanna stay in touch with linux :) |
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| 13:56.17 | israel | and also, i've got one spare phone number, where is some 100usd credit.. so i could use it :> |
| 13:56.34 | mjr | Yeah well. With any luck, it really is real soon now at this point. But I'm no official source, and there are no guarantees untill the shop is up |
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| 14:21.30 | rtm | Does anyone know if the gypsy dbus-enabled GPS daemon will work at this time with the neo1973 using gllin? |
| 14:22.09 | mickeyl | it should work with reading from the pipe. to make it more sane, someone should add a udp listener to typsy |
| 14:22.11 | mickeyl | gypsy, even |
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| 14:24.35 | rtm | mickeyl: Thanks. I didn't know gllin supported UDP. I thought the only way to get anything out of gllin was to suck on /var/tmp/nmeaNP. |
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| 14:26.44 | mickeyl | fortunately not, you can tell it not to use the pipe but send it on a udp socket instead |
| 14:27.14 | rtm | Do you know if that mode is documented somewhere? |
| 14:27.18 | anrp | only one udp listener can get packets though... |
| 14:27.22 | rtm | I never ran across it. |
| 14:27.25 | anrp | so you still need a rebroadcaster |
| 14:31.02 | mickeyl | should be documented on the command line |
| 14:31.05 | mickeyl | try --help or so |
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| 14:31.21 | mickeyl | anrp: which would gypsy |
| 14:31.23 | mickeyl | via dbus |
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| 14:31.49 | anrp | oh, ok |
| 14:31.57 | anrp | bows to dbus |
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| 14:33.56 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 14:34.26 | anrp | i wonder if it just sends the NMEA strings in UDP packets |
| 14:34.35 | mickeyl | yeah, i think so |
| 14:35.39 | israel | hm |
| 14:36.01 | israel | btw, how it's with suspend mode ? it will recieve calls too? |
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| 14:44.03 | emdete | anrp: it does, yes. for sample of usage see pygpsd ;) |
| 14:44.32 | emdete | anrp: and: be careful: gllin uses port 6000 by default wich is received by x11 ;/ |
| 14:45.20 | anrp | boo |
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| 14:46.15 | emdete | anrp: i developed a init.d start/stop scripting around that gllin with config |
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| 16:00.13 | spydon | summatusmentis, this month is soon over ^^ |
| 16:00.32 | summatusmentis | spydon: I know! I'm expecting it get released w/in the next three days |
| 16:00.41 | spydon | hehe :P |
| 16:01.20 | spydon | have anyone heard how those tests are going? |
| 16:01.28 | SpeedEvil | I'm expecting it in the last 5 minutes. |
| 16:01.49 | SpeedEvil | s/last/next/ |
| 16:02.06 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r271 10/trunk/software/py-odeviced/odeviced/ (modules/kernel26.py odeviced): odeviced: use pyrtc to set RTC current time and wake up time |
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| 16:02.59 | Bish | hi |
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| 16:38.20 | spydon | it has been more then 5 minutes now SpeedEvil ;) |
| 16:39.58 | SpeedEvil | I'm still anticipating it in the next 5 minutes. |
| 16:40.02 | SpeedEvil | refreshes. |
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| 17:57.00 | nicfer | hmmm fixed telephony is extinguishing right? |
| 17:57.07 | SpeedEvil | Well... |
| 17:57.15 | SpeedEvil | That's perhaps a little strong. |
| 17:57.35 | SpeedEvil | Assuming that's right, it's going to be a couple of decades at least. |
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| 17:59.53 | nicfer | I think that fixed telephony will become something like current wireless home phones, only that mobile phones will act as so |
| 18:01.35 | nicfer | something like a place where you can make calls and access internet cheaper from your mobile phone |
| 18:02.08 | SpeedEvil | Also - sure wireless is great. |
| 18:02.35 | SpeedEvil | But you can put a thousand houses next to each other, each getting 8Mbits/second through their telephone cables. |
| 18:02.51 | SpeedEvil | Try to do that with wireless, and you can tend to run into spectrum limits. |
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| 18:05.35 | nicfer | other trouble is DSL internet access, without fixed telephony, that will dissapear |
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| 18:09.16 | mjr | the copper's still there even if you take the phone service out of it... |
| 18:09.31 | mjr | (and last-mile fiber is where the future's at) |
| 18:13.43 | SpeedEvil | Tell that to the people on TPON... |
| 18:14.12 | SpeedEvil | http://www.thinkbroadband.com/news/1099-tpon-fibre-optic-connected-bt-customers-offered-ray-of-hope.html |
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| 18:17.35 | mjr | Well. That's just stupid. |
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| 18:20.38 | SpeedEvil | Also - http://www.theonion.com/content/opinion/why_is_it_that_my_girlfriend |
| 18:20.56 | SpeedEvil | Actually - no - that's not right |
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| 18:22.26 | SpeedEvil | mislays the URL that he meant to paste. |
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| 19:43.23 | SpeedEvil | We need on neo. http://xkcd.com/ |
| 19:43.44 | ewon | heh |
| 19:43.45 | ajbrun | :) |
| 19:43.52 | ajbrun | saw that on digg today |
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| 19:49.00 | CVirus | lol |
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| 20:01.31 | josch | MichaelShiloh, mimimi? |
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| 20:32.47 | ksool | What's the general feeling on when the freerunner will be released? Days? Weeks? Months? |
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| 20:33.24 | summatusmentis | ksool: we don't know "soon" is about all we know |
| 20:33.34 | summatusmentis | it's in destructive testing now |
| 20:34.02 | ksool | summatusementis, ok, I was just wondering if anybody was following its status closer than I was. |
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| 20:34.23 | ksool | I need to decide if I want to get a new phone now, or wait for the freerunner, and I really want to do the latter. |
| 20:35.05 | SpeedEvil | At the very earliest, it might be 2 weeksish |
| 20:35.13 | SpeedEvil | but we really have no data |
| 20:35.32 | SpeedEvil | it could as easily be 2 months if things don't go right. |
| 20:35.47 | ksool | Yea, it's really hard to tell where things stand from the updates they put out. |
| 20:35.51 | summatusmentis | ksool: I'm hoping to buy one, but I've got a phone plan |
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| 20:36.01 | edistar | ksool: wait :) |
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| 20:37.45 | ksool | :) |
| 20:37.52 | summatusmentis | SpeedEvil: we would've heard something if things had been going wrong right? |
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| 20:38.06 | summatusmentis | theoretically? and is that 2 weeksish just a guess? |
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| 20:38.37 | SpeedEvil | it's a guess based on the likelyhood of them saying 'we are shipping 1000 to europe/US distributor' |
| 20:39.08 | summatusmentis | oh, that's true |
| 20:39.22 | summatusmentis | I forgot that they haven't, as far as we know, hit mass production yet |
| 20:39.49 | summatusmentis | ugh! I want a way to have like.. a FUSE fs to Google Docs |
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| 20:47.20 | summatusmentis | I keep scrolling through the digests in community, hoping there will be an announcement from Steve |
| 20:47.58 | bipolar | summatusmentis: me too |
| 20:48.11 | summatusmentis | he should just do it already |
| 20:49.21 | bipolar | I need to replace my nextel :P |
| 20:49.40 | bipolar | everyone here at work does. :) |
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| 20:51.02 | abraxa_ | bipolar: Peer pressure? |
| 20:52.19 | bipolar | nonono... they all have nextel's... and we all hate them :) |
| 20:52.30 | bipolar | These are work bought phones |
| 20:52.31 | abraxa_ | oh |
| 20:52.36 | bipolar | I'm in charge of them. :P |
| 20:52.53 | summatusmentis | I'm looking to replace my Z, and then replace my razr when my contract expires |
| 20:53.00 | bipolar | perhaps the word 'hate' isn't strong enough.... |
| 20:53.08 | bipolar | summatusmentis: Z? as in Zaurus? |
| 20:53.14 | dcordes_ | summatusmentis: replacing your z? you must be nuts |
| 20:53.21 | summatusmentis | bipolar: yep |
| 20:53.26 | dcordes_ | a man can't give away his Z |
| 20:53.27 | bipolar | which model? |
| 20:53.35 | summatusmentis | dcordes_: it's just big, and it turns on in my pocket, and I don't use it enough |
| 20:53.39 | bipolar | I still have my 5500 in a drawer :) |
| 20:53.40 | summatusmentis | bipolar: C3200 |
| 20:53.55 | summatusmentis | I've got a 5500 also |
| 20:54.11 | bipolar | I currently have a Nokia n800, which I hardly use because the software sucks. |
| 20:54.12 | summatusmentis | (poor college student, need money for FreeRunner, C3200 will provide that) |
| 20:54.29 | edistar | bipolar: you can compile angstrom for it |
| 20:55.06 | bipolar | edistar: I looked into it, but it doesn't seem that Qt is supported... at least last time I looked... |
| 20:55.29 | bipolar | looks again |
| 20:55.30 | summatusmentis | I would love to use my 3200, but Angstorm isn't polished enough, the browser is slow, and I'm always having the battry run out in my pocket |
| 20:55.31 | edistar | bipolar: yeah, wouldn't know about qt in angstrom |
| 20:58.56 | bipolar | that would be a negative |
| 21:00.26 | bipolar | really, I would use the GPE apps on the n800 if I could figure out how to sync them with my PIM server |
| 21:00.42 | bipolar | I should boot the thing up and see what it can do now. |
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| 21:01.23 | summatusmentis | tries Poky |
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| 22:40.27 | broedje | mount -o loop -t cramfs /~home/a780/mtd2 /mnt/cramfs |
| 22:40.49 | broedje | sure that this is ... absolute? |
| 22:40.56 | broedje | wyrm here? |
| 22:42.40 | broedje | i get an error.... is /~home/ on the device or local? |
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| 22:46.31 | zash | ~home? |
| 22:46.32 | apt | there's no place like 127.0.0.1 |
| 22:47.14 | zash | broedje: ~/ == /home/$USER |
| 22:47.32 | zash | broedje: /~home/ seems weird |
| 22:48.07 | SpeedEvil | ~home/ will expand to /home/home I think |
| 22:48.14 | broedje | yea...them are few things in the Dual boot tut |
| 22:49.04 | broedje | i wonder why i came here not having made a mkdir /mnt/cramfs |
| 22:49.51 | broedje | but nevertheless, i do not have the capability: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock |
| 22:50.07 | zash | SpeedEvil: if there is a user named 'home' with homedir = /home/home then yes |
| 22:50.36 | broedje | nah i found out i think. the openezx guy meant the mtd2 in resized |
| 22:50.56 | broedje | plz no jokes |
| 22:51.23 | broedje | children sleep |
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| 23:00.40 | broedje | i cannot mount cramfs.... hrmf |
| 23:01.15 | broedje | although things like mkfs.cramfs exists |
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| 23:04.42 | broedje | -s |
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| 23:09.33 | SpeedEvil | On the theme of 'the hardware has to be perfect before we ship it'. http://zipit2system.sourceforge.net/board.html |
| 23:13.00 | broedje | Intels 8MB flash works wireless? |
| 23:14.37 | SpeedEvil | No - that is a marketing lie. |
| 23:14.45 | SpeedEvil | well - lie may be a bit strong. |
| 23:15.13 | broedje | heh |
| 23:15.27 | SpeedEvil | It's designed for direct execution of code from. |
| 23:15.40 | SpeedEvil | which is apparently what the wireless means. |
| 23:15.46 | SpeedEvil | (for no good reason) |
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| 23:27.46 | nicfer | one question, will 3g replace also fixed internet? |
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| 23:43.18 | SpeedEvil | guesses Reiserfs won't be getting a new version soon. http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/08/04/28/2243232.shtml |
| 23:45.06 | nicfer | I don't know if buy neo1973 when it's available on my country or to wait until freerunner |
| 23:46.38 | tomjoad | nicfer: The neo1973 is already out and is out of stock, so your choice is really only to wait for the freerunner |
| 23:46.50 | SpeedEvil | Or offer cash to existing owners. |
| 23:47.15 | nicfer | I live in latin america, that's other trouble |
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| 23:56.44 | Psi | what do ya think the powersaving on gta02 will be like at release time? |
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