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| 00:09.31 | SpeedEvil | Can I run n800 binaries? |
| 00:09.32 | SpeedEvil | On the neo |
| 00:09.58 | SpeedEvil | without qemu or silliness. |
| 00:12.10 | balrog-kun | good you put the "or" there :) |
| 00:12.59 | balrog-kun | well, recent n800 images use both armv5 and armv6 and thumb afaik |
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| 01:06.36 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03roh * r4399 10/trunk/src/target/kernel/scripts/README: |
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| 01:25.44 | CIA-42 | openmoko: 03alphaone * r4400 10/developers/alphaone/u-blox/ (ubx-config.rb ubx-get.rb ubx-set.rb): |
| 01:25.44 | CIA-42 | openmoko: * Two tools now, ubx-get and ubx-set which will save/load almanac and ephemeris |
| 01:25.44 | CIA-42 | openmoko: data to/from a file |
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| 06:16.24 | atul_ | Hi I am downloading moko set using "make setup" from command promt it gives me Error like "mtn: error: I/O failure while talking to peer monotone.openmoko.org, disconnecting make: *** [setup-mtn] Error 1" Does anybody face the same problem ? Any solution ? |
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| 06:34.13 | rwhitby | atul_: it either means the openmoko monotone server is down, or your firewall does not allow the mtn protocol to pass |
| 06:35.18 | atul_ | rwhitby, It says me like this mtn: calculating migration... |
| 06:35.19 | atul_ | mtn: no migration performed; database schema already up-to-date |
| 06:35.19 | atul_ | mtn: doing anonymous pull; use -kKEYNAME if you need authentication |
| 06:35.19 | atul_ | mtn: connecting to monotone.openmoko.org |
| 06:35.19 | atul_ | mtn: error: I/O failure while talking to peer monotone.openmoko.org, disconnecting make: *** [setup-mtn] Error 1 may be server is down |
| 06:36.17 | rwhitby | I can connect to the server fine from here. Have you ever connected to it from that machine before, or is this the first time? |
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| 06:44.38 | rwhitby | atul_: not interested in going further? |
| 06:47.11 | mbuf | atul_, how old is your build? |
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| 06:49.12 | atul_ | mbuf, am trying form start, It it just first time that am trying |
| 06:50.32 | mbuf | atul_, you mean a fresh build, after cleaning up old ~/moko directory? |
| 06:51.28 | atul_ | mbuf, yes it is fresh build and I dont have old build on my machine |
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| 09:06.30 | bedboi | hi there. |
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| 09:16.15 | malik1972 | hi bedboi |
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| 10:13.49 | atul_ | clear |
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| 10:17.12 | patoh | /clear |
| 10:17.13 | patoh | :P |
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| 10:23.46 | ScaredyCat | charging |
| 10:23.55 | SpeedEvil | your lazuh? |
| 10:24.03 | ScaredyCat | :D |
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| 10:55.19 | Lorenz_k | Hi, I know at the moment it is all about GTA02, but who decided to use xserver-kdrive as preferred provider, though that one is _not_ crosscompilable or to be precise not even configurable for cross compilation? |
| 10:56.02 | Lorenz_k | Just as sated in http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-April/016197.html (and obviously by some other person before) |
| 10:57.25 | balrog-kun | that's strange because i crosscompiled kdrive at least once |
| 10:57.31 | balrog-kun | i know people who do every day |
| 10:58.10 | Lorenz_k | hmm, well I tracked it down to the sgml checking part in configure |
| 11:00.57 | Lorenz_k | that is really strange |
| 11:01.15 | balrog-kun | probably a recent development |
| 11:02.33 | Lorenz_k | that's what I really hate about OE, there are to many recipies that are just checked in without proper verification |
| 11:07.05 | balrog-kun | you're probably welcome to help maintaining them |
| 11:12.37 | Lorenz_k | I'd do it, if I had the time, but working in a small startup is too time consuming |
| 11:14.02 | Lorenz_k | and it is all about time (take monotone as an example for one of the worst time wasting versioning systems I know, yeah I know it's getting faster every version *cough*) |
| 11:16.13 | balrog-kun | yes, i hope they can switch soon |
| 11:16.47 | balrog-kun | unfortunately nobody suggested any real time frame, still seems to be just an idea |
| 11:20.42 | Lorenz_k | i hope that too, as oe itself is a really good concept |
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| 11:33.23 | ahven | can anyone help me with a one-liner? I have a lot of lines like this: "4 Apr 26 12:48:15 blah postfix/smtpd[10615]: connect from unknown[111.111.111.111]" and I want to display it like "4 111.111.111.111" |
| 11:34.25 | ahven | is it possible with sed? I know how to use "cut" but I wan't to keep those 2 fields in 1 place |
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| 11:38.53 | SpeedEvil | awk -F '[[\] ' '{print $1,$(NF-1)}' |
| 11:39.42 | SpeedEvil | if that's tab seperated, you'll need to make that space after teh first argument a tab |
| 11:40.27 | SpeedEvil | In short - break the line into fields seperated by either spaces or the chars [], print the first field, print the field before the last one. |
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| 11:42.45 | ahven | well, I can do the similar with cut, break into spaces, but it would leave me with "4 unknown[111.111.111.111]" |
| 11:43.04 | SpeedEvil | awk is on the neo anyway. |
| 11:44.40 | ahven | hmm |
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| 11:46.42 | balrog-kun | you can do with sed also but awk is the right tool for the task |
| 11:46.50 | balrog-kun | not sure hwo that's related to openmoko though |
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| 11:48.39 | ahven | well, I didn't know that offtopics are a big nono around here.. |
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| 11:48.53 | ahven | atleast I'm talking about free software |
| 11:49.19 | balrog-kun | ok, i guess they aren't :) |
| 11:49.55 | `pwgen` | # |
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| 12:08.49 | saurabh1403 | hello everyone |
| 12:09.30 | edistar | saurabh1403: hi |
| 12:09.57 | Sup3rkiddo | saurabh1403, #openmoko-gsoc |
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| 12:11.28 | saurabh1403 | hi edistar |
| 12:11.44 | saurabh1403 | hi sup3rkiddo |
| 12:12.04 | saurabh1403 | i need some help actually |
| 12:12.36 | saurabh1403 | i have to work on speech recognition facility for open moko, but before that i want to be comfortable with open moko platform |
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| 12:12.52 | saurabh1403 | so can someone tell me how to start for this |
| 12:12.52 | Sup3rkiddo | saurabh1403, yep |
| 12:13.26 | Sup3rkiddo | saurabh1403, the wiki has some really wonderful howtos |
| 12:14.29 | Sup3rkiddo | saurabh1403, start as in setting up the toolchain? |
| 12:14.34 | saurabh1403 | ok |
| 12:15.15 | thos | unfortunatly the downloadable toolchain is old |
| 12:15.29 | thos | and current meta-openmoko-toolchain is broken |
| 12:15.33 | saurabh1403 | so where can i get the new one from |
| 12:15.56 | thos | saurabh1403, not sure, I think you need to mail openmoko-devel asking if anyone will make one |
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| 12:16.57 | saurabh1403 | ok i will..thanks...but one more thing i want to confirm that is the tool chain for GTA01 and GTA02 very different..if i am not wrong i will have to work on GTA02 |
| 12:17.19 | SpeedEvil | same |
| 12:17.21 | thos | the toolchain is identical |
| 12:17.28 | saurabh1403 | ok |
| 12:17.37 | SpeedEvil | all that changes is the exact details of the graphics driver. |
| 12:17.56 | saurabh1403 | so i will now try to build the tool chain and read the open moko wiki pages more |
| 12:21.18 | thos | mickeyl, who is in charge of the toolchain now? |
| 12:21.27 | thos | mickeyl, seems johnyclee is no longer on OE stuff? |
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| 12:21.57 | mickeyl | thos: no idea. Graeme or Julian |
| 12:22.04 | mickeyl | best ask Wolfgang, he should know about the assignments |
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| 13:42.12 | thos | mickeyl, what's julian's email? |
| 13:42.57 | mickeyl | i don't know offhand |
| 13:43.01 | mickeyl | check the taipei office directory |
| 13:43.21 | thos | wonders how to do that |
| 13:43.32 | mickeyl | open epiphany |
| 13:43.34 | thos | well, i'll send to openmoko-devel anyway |
| 13:43.39 | mickeyl | heh, fair enough |
| 13:44.49 | thos | mickeyl, did you see the QT 4.4 video on neo? |
| 13:44.56 | mickeyl | yea |
| 13:45.05 | thos | mickeyl, looks like it was running on a framebuffer? |
| 13:45.09 | mickeyl | of course |
| 13:45.15 | mickeyl | :) |
| 13:45.26 | thos | shame |
| 13:45.40 | thos | mickeyl, have you see the QT4 dance video? |
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| 13:45.44 | mickeyl | well :) |
| 13:46.39 | mickeyl | i think the jury is still out on that |
| 13:46.40 | mickeyl | *g* |
| 13:46.40 | mickeyl | thos: sure thing, that was fun |
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| 13:49.02 | ScaredyCat | mwester: blah |
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| 13:53.37 | ScaredyCat | mwester: http://pastebin.ca/998379 |
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| 13:57.13 | thos | mickeyl, shame the QT video didn't demonstrate anything useful though |
| 13:58.03 | thos | but I guess useful stuff is normally boring |
| 13:58.25 | mickeyl | well |
| 13:58.43 | mickeyl | if people have no ideas, they go eyecandy only :/ |
| 14:02.17 | Lorenz_k | well, eyecandy is for managers ;-) so it is totally normal that in a "demonstration video" you'll never ever find something useful |
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| 14:14.18 | mwester | ScaredyCat: looks good; no signs of overrun. However there's still one part of the fix that isn't enabled, so you may still have a resume failure. |
| 14:14.47 | mwester | echo "1" >/sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/knob |
| 14:15.01 | mwester | Turns the "magic knob" to the on position... |
| 14:15.04 | ScaredyCat | my problem atm is that it resumes too often, as you said it might |
| 14:15.14 | ScaredyCat | ok will do that now |
| 14:16.04 | ScaredyCat | ok, my knob is ready |
| 14:16.07 | ScaredyCat | :P |
| 14:16.25 | mwester | The "Ps" lines are for suspend processing, the characters indicate when the Serial port suspend code is active, followed by the reset (enter and exit are "I" and "J" respectivly), and the "G" is when the GSM suspend code runs. |
| 14:16.59 | ScaredyCat | ah good.. |
| 14:17.06 | SpeedEvil | mwester: where is that kernel again? |
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| 14:17.15 | mwester | the "Pr" are resume processing, which is in the reverse order. When the "I" or "J" appear in the lower-case, that indicates that hardware-flow-control was turned off in the driver (which shouldn't happen, but does!) |
| 14:17.52 | mwester | the "S" line is a special event code, trying to track down the flow-control issue; the "M" are in the termio setting code. |
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| 14:19.24 | mwester | The final "Pr" lines show exiting the resume handling in the serial driver with a capital J (flow control turned on), and then the "wXz" is the GSM code which schedules a small task to run later, that switches the GPIO back to the UART (after all the ditties to fix up the UART's flow control). |
| 14:19.26 | SpeedEvil | ah http://moko.mwester.net/ |
| 14:19.41 | SpeedEvil | It's 'the kernel below' ? |
| 14:20.20 | mwester | There is still a problem possible, for whatever reason as soon as the flow control is switched ("wXz" line), a burst of characters can arrive, and if >16, the GSM does not appear to respond to the UART's flow control attempts, and an overrun occurs. |
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| 14:21.03 | mwester | The last "knob" setting enables a callback into the serial driver where it runs a routine reading characters from the UART in a tight loop after enabling the flow control. |
| 14:21.30 | mwester | If any characters are read from this loop, they will be bracketed by lines like: "S [" and "S ]" in the log... |
| 14:21.46 | mwester | It doesn't happen often, as most GSM messages are < 16 characters. |
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| 14:24.31 | mwester | Is there a command we can issue from the command line to make gsmd tell the GSM we're no longer interested in signal quality reports? We can graft that into the suspend processing... |
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| 14:25.08 | balrog-kun | nope, gsmd design didn't take such things into account |
| 14:25.40 | balrog-kun | i had proposed on the list that the future design only enables signal quality reports if any of the clients on dbus is subscribed to them |
| 14:25.42 | mwester | Sigh. |
| 14:26.06 | SpeedEvil | mwester: yes |
| 14:26.23 | SpeedEvil | mwester: in terms of a raw at command - if gsmd doesn't countermand |
| 14:26.36 | SpeedEvil | Ok - /me flashed. |
| 14:26.44 | mwester | Oh, you mean just send a raw AT command? That's ugly. |
| 14:26.44 | SpeedEvil | uImage-2.6.24+git20080425-r0-mw06-om-gta01.bin |
| 14:26.47 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 14:27.02 | balrog-kun | the point of using gsmd is not having to send AT commands :) |
| 14:27.08 | mwester | Exactly. |
| 14:27.17 | SpeedEvil | I nmean using gsmds atcmd interface |
| 14:27.29 | SpeedEvil | And yes - in principle I agree with you. |
| 14:27.34 | SpeedEvil | Nasty hacks are a bit different. |
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| 14:28.05 | mwester | Well, it's an ugly hack, but perhaps it can be made to work. What code actually issues the suspend,and does it do it via the apmd or echo mem >/sys/power/... |
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| 14:31.48 | SpeedEvil | Wehre does the debug output come out? |
| 14:36.21 | mwester | You need to enable it: echo "1" >/sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/nspy_enable |
| 14:36.58 | mwester | Then do cat /sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/nspy_buffer |
| 14:37.38 | mwester | If you see overrun occuring on resume, or you just proactively wish to avoid that, turn on the ugly horrible hack with: |
| 14:38.00 | mwester | echo "1" >/sys/devices/platform/neo1973-pm-gsm.0/knob |
| 14:38.16 | mwester | I put the first line in my /etc/init.d/gsmd |
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| 14:38.51 | mwester | You will have to repeatedly do the "cat" command, as the /sys interface is limited in how much can be output at any one time,and the internal debug buffer is fairly large. |
| 14:39.13 | mwester | (I'll add a readme to go along with the kernel...) |
| 14:39.20 | SpeedEvil | Handy. |
| 14:39.30 | SpeedEvil | I can trigger events by putting my phone in one position |
| 14:39.35 | SpeedEvil | so I've no need to call it |
| 14:40.22 | SpeedEvil | http://pastebin.org/32157 |
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| 14:43.04 | mwester | Yep, but the real test is when you get a big burst of data from the GSM to wake the phone; that's where it would croak. |
| 14:43.23 | SpeedEvil | considers how to provoke that. |
| 14:43.27 | mwester | I've found incoming calls do that, but SMS messages seem to do it most reliably for me. |
| 14:43.52 | mwester | just added another $25 to his pre-paid account so he can keep debugging this :( |
| 14:44.04 | SpeedEvil | ponders. |
| 14:44.43 | mwester | Oh, BTW -- careful with the cut and pastes to pastebin, the logs will include phone numbers and anything else sent to the GSM!! |
| 14:44.50 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
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| 14:48.33 | SpeedEvil | experiments with free web text services. |
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| 14:59.25 | SpeedEvil | Ok - I don't understand the SMS app. |
| 14:59.39 | SpeedEvil | I go to 'messages' and it lists 'unknown sender' |
| 14:59.44 | SpeedEvil | how do I read this message? |
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| 15:14.44 | thos | SpeedEvil, how many messages does it say there are? |
| 15:15.11 | thos | SpeedEvil, Messages is contacts based, rather than Inbox/Sent box based |
| 15:15.21 | SpeedEvil | no |
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| 15:15.45 | SpeedEvil | And I don't get any notification on the home screen of a new SMS |
| 15:15.46 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 15:15.52 | SpeedEvil | Maybe I should try a new build. |
| 15:15.55 | thos | SpeedEvil, no what? |
| 15:16.06 | thos | I didn't say anything incorrect |
| 15:16.06 | SpeedEvil | no - I just get 'unknown sender' |
| 15:16.19 | thos | SpeedEvil, unknown sender is the "catch all" |
| 15:16.21 | SpeedEvil | I mean - it doesn't say how many messages there are |
| 15:16.33 | thos | SpeedEvil, it should do, right under where it says Unkown Sender |
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| 15:16.38 | SpeedEvil | Nope. |
| 15:16.39 | thos | it'll probably say "0 Messages" |
| 15:16.50 | thos | SpeedEvil, scap it and show me? |
| 15:17.34 | SpeedEvil | ponders where a screencap is. |
| 15:17.44 | thos | SpeedEvil, hold down aux button |
| 15:18.38 | SpeedEvil | then navigate to the screencap app? |
| 15:18.48 | thos | no, press "take screenshot" |
| 15:18.58 | SpeedEvil | ah |
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| 15:20.22 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/screenshot-1.png |
| 15:20.25 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/Screenshot-1.png |
| 15:21.28 | thos | SpeedEvil, odd, I wonder if the theme settings have messed it up somehow |
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| 15:21.36 | thos | SpeedEvil, anyway, the message listing is on the next tab |
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| 15:21.51 | SpeedEvil | the one at the bottom-middle? |
| 15:21.57 | thos | yes |
| 15:22.23 | SpeedEvil | I then get a selection box with 'all' at the top - empty |
| 15:22.28 | SpeedEvil | and no list underneath |
| 15:22.38 | thos | well |
| 15:22.44 | SpeedEvil | I suppose I may have screwed something up. |
| 15:22.45 | thos | that means it hasn't picked up any messages |
| 15:22.57 | thos | I reckon 50/50 between you and the software ;-) |
| 15:23.20 | SpeedEvil | soemthing is - the at logs from the mwester thing show something reading the incoming messages |
| 15:23.42 | SpeedEvil | I suppose I can try a new build. |
| 15:23.44 | thos | well, PhoneKit should read them and display a message |
| 15:23.53 | thos | then you can view them in Messages |
| 15:23.56 | thos | at least, that's the idea |
| 15:23.58 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 15:24.01 | mwester | If the incoming text message has an "@" symbol in it, it will be truncated. |
| 15:24.06 | SpeedEvil | noep |
| 15:24.11 | SpeedEvil | well - not before encoding |
| 15:24.50 | mwester | (Whenever I get a text from the web-based services or the email gateways, I see only the first few letters and the rest is cut off,which happens to be the entire body of the message :( |
| 15:24.54 | mwester | ) |
| 15:25.10 | thos | mwester, sounds like a bug ;-) |
| 15:25.19 | mwester | I think so...;) |
| 15:25.25 | thos | filed it in bugzilla? |
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| 15:26.38 | dcordes | hi wolfgang_spraul |
| 15:26.47 | wolfgang_spraul | hi |
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| 15:30.17 | wolfgang_spraul | dcordes: he he, just want to say hello? |
| 15:30.19 | wolfgang_spraul | jserv--: hi there! |
| 15:30.21 | wolfgang_spraul | :-) |
| 15:30.50 | wolfgang_spraul | jserv--: how are you? |
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| 15:35.42 | dcordes | wolfgang_spraul: of course! |
| 15:35.54 | dcordes | how are you? |
| 15:36.22 | wolfgang_spraul | good, thanks |
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| 15:40.21 | ScaredyCat | mwester - looks like it's still resuming, alhtough it seems to be waking up on its own |
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| 15:41.43 | kinneh | how's recent images, thinink of flasing something newer than a feb rel thats running on my moko |
| 15:42.54 | thos | kinneh, LOTS of improvements since feb |
| 15:43.27 | mwester | ScaredyCat: Got a log? |
| 15:43.37 | ScaredyCat | ya |
| 15:43.55 | mwester | ScaredyCat: On my list is to instrument the GSM wakeup interrupt so that we have a definitive record of why the device resumed... |
| 15:45.01 | ScaredyCat | http://pastebin.ca/998453 |
| 15:45.19 | mwester | I put a readme that shows how to use some of the controls and stuff along with the kernel, FYI. |
| 15:45.42 | ScaredyCat | I've been out for the last 45 mins.. i did the cat when I got back |
| 15:45.53 | ScaredyCat | ah ok, will read that |
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| 15:46.23 | mwester | ScaredyCat: All the resume events in that log are due to incoming signal quality reports from the GSM. |
| 15:46.52 | ScaredyCat | righ, which is what is expected.. |
| 15:46.52 | mwester | (look for the string bracketed by "S [" and "S ]" -- that's what woke it up. |
| 15:46.58 | mwester | ) |
| 15:47.28 | mwester | We need to find a way to bludgeon gsmd into turning that off on suspend, and reenabling on resume. |
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| 16:54.45 | Bigcheese | fyi: This thing is sexy :P |
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| 17:38.05 | epsino | hello, any body know if openmoko will be released before middle of the year ? |
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| 17:44.10 | edistar | epsino: noone knows definitely but it's quite likely if you ask me |
| 17:46.57 | epsino | openmoko will release a final user phone ? or the goal is develop a platform to providers that make phones ? |
| 17:47.06 | SpeedEvil | eventually |
| 17:47.19 | SpeedEvil | It's nowhwere close to end user ready yet |
| 17:48.27 | epsino | ok... i think that the "time" is very important for the openmoko success |
| 17:48.36 | SpeedEvil | True. |
| 17:48.43 | epsino | so, i worried about it |
| 17:50.27 | epsino | ok... i hope that openmoko will see the light soon... |
| 17:50.38 | wibbit | SpeedEvil: You serious that the software side of things is no where near end user ready? |
| 17:51.00 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 17:51.11 | wibbit | bugger |
| 17:51.23 | SpeedEvil | I mean - assuming the user expects more than a basic phone, with the ability to install linux apps. |
| 17:51.36 | SpeedEvil | It's got no 'whizzy' stuff yet. |
| 17:51.43 | wibbit | SpeedEvil: And, basic phone + pim? |
| 17:52.10 | SpeedEvil | I haven't tried using the PIM stuff as yet. |
| 17:53.06 | wibbit | okie |
| 17:53.45 | SpeedEvil | But, it's certainly not at the stage where you can hand it to a random user, and they'll think they've gotten their moneys worth. |
| 17:54.03 | wibbit | fair enough |
| 17:54.29 | edistar | SpeedEvil: well, if you're used to wm.. |
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| 18:40.52 | ScaredyCat | mickey_away: is there any particular reason the libssp isn't compiled... |
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| 18:47.15 | edistar | can anyone help me? http://nopaste.org/p/atJZ12Jft |
| 18:47.40 | edistar | problem with openmoko-alsa-scenarios |
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| 19:29.09 | edistar | openmoko-alsa-scenario doesn't seem to be able to build atm? can someone reproduce that? |
| 19:33.20 | XorA|gone | edistar: define doesnt seem to build, it doesnt build anything |
| 19:35.55 | edistar | XorA|gone: the bb file doesn't seem to exist |
| 19:36.23 | XorA|gone | edistar: oh no |
| 19:36.49 | edistar | XorA|gone: so then the build fails obv. |
| 19:37.04 | XorA|gone | edistar: I shall be annoyed if someone deleted it |
| 19:37.14 | edistar | XorA|gone: can you check? :) |
| 19:37.32 | XorA|gone | edistar: am doing, need couple mins to boot my machine |
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| 19:37.53 | XorA|gone | edistar: using org.openmoko.dev branch? |
| 19:37.57 | edistar | XorA|gone: yes I am |
| 19:38.01 | edistar | XorA|gone: thanks a lot :) |
| 19:38.08 | XorA|gone | edistar: cool, was just double checking |
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| 19:53.23 | edistar | XorA|gone: found out yet? |
| 19:54.22 | XorA|gone | edistar: its still there, in the repo |
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| 19:54.56 | XorA|gone | ls packages/openmoko2/openmoko-alsa-scenarios.bb |
| 19:55.01 | edistar | XorA|gone: http://nopaste.org/p/akkAK1W26 |
| 19:55.24 | XorA|gone | "nokia770" |
| 19:55.37 | edistar | XorA|gone: might that be a problem? |
| 19:55.37 | XorA|gone | thats why, openmoko-alsa-scenarios doesnt support that machine |
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| 19:55.56 | edistar | XorA|gone: hm, can I somehow get round that? |
| 19:56.13 | XorA|gone | edistar: remove the COMPATIBLE_MACHINE line from the .bb file |
| 19:56.59 | edistar | XorA|gone: cool, thanks |
| 19:57.12 | XorA|gone | no probs, back to tv for me |
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| 20:03.18 | edistar | XorA|gone: still there? |
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| 22:21.33 | t_s_o | hmm, silly question but does openmoko have a mail app that supports imap-idle or whatever its called? |
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| 22:26.57 | anrp | detects patent land |
| 22:28.31 | t_s_o | hmm? |
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| 23:00.20 | wibbit | t_s_o: You may find that some thing like sylpheed is built for the openmoko which almost certainly does support the idled protocol for imap |
| 23:00.42 | t_s_o | ok |
| 23:00.46 | wibbit | t_s_o: however I don't think there is any mokofied mail applications that are close release, they are still concentrating on other things |
| 23:01.20 | t_s_o | hmm, thats a bit worrisome as it seems that push email is the big thing on mobile devices these days... |
| 23:01.45 | wibbit | t_s_o: it always has been (though rarely has it been well implemented) |
| 23:02.34 | t_s_o | heh, maybe so. i just read this: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/27/technology/27rim.html |
| 23:02.42 | mwester | so loves to read lengthy emails on a teensy tiney itty bitty little display... |
| 23:02.47 | t_s_o | and wondered what openmoko could present in that area... |
| 23:03.09 | t_s_o | mwester: especially if its in some ms format :P |
| 23:03.17 | wibbit | Well, I don't think it will be targeted at that sort of market |
| 23:03.31 | mwester | Yeah, my customers use with Word, or the "enlightened" ones (sigh) use PDF. |
| 23:03.36 | mwester | s/with// |
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| 23:04.12 | wibbit | RIM was the big player for business mobiles, who wanted email on the go (and contacts), however with microsoft exchange 2007, and micrsoft mobile, on the exchange freaks will be pushing that. |
| 23:04.14 | mwester | I'm hoping for something simpler; which would be for the Neo to just be a bluetooth gateway for my laptop. |
| 23:04.43 | t_s_o | wibbit: well it seems that push mail is moving into private hands to. gmail anyone? |
| 23:05.15 | t_s_o | mwester: thats a bad bet as it does not even do edge. as in, poor poor speed... |
| 23:05.36 | wibbit | i still think it will be a while till those things really matter, and, if my understanding is not wrong, the moko guys have one or two other things that they'll be concentrating on for a while. |
| 23:05.42 | mwester | I know, but I'm in the US, so it's about as good as it's gonna get out here in my patch. |
| 23:05.48 | wibbit | I think things like usable gps would be more imporant than push email |
| 23:06.00 | mwester | (I travel about the midwest; some areas are lucky to have cell service at all) |
| 23:06.20 | t_s_o | well i guess that openmoko is so flexible that it will adapt as things change ;) |
| 23:06.24 | mwester | Now the GPS would be useful indeed. |
| 23:06.34 | wibbit | t_s_o: May be mwester doesn't have a wireless card in the laptop, and he wants to use the neo as a gateway to the wireless router, and bluetooth to the legacy laptop? :) |
| 23:06.56 | mwester | :D Nah, gta01 -- no wireless in it either. |
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| 23:07.28 | wibbit | usb wireless module plugged in to the gta01? and then use that :) |
| 23:07.42 | t_s_o | heh, mobile coverage is about the only area where im glad to be european. still, i think im in one of the contrys with worst umts coverage right now :( |
| 23:10.39 | mjr | luckily that doesn't matter for the neo! |
| 23:11.01 | mjr | anyway, what're the better options than europe? south africa? :] |
| 23:12.33 | t_s_o | ? |
| 23:14.03 | anrp | hey, at least you have umts |
| 23:14.31 | anrp | o'er here in the good ol' you-ess of a, we got almost nuthin' |
| 23:14.33 | anrp | >_> |
| 23:14.59 | anrp | at&t has some umts |
| 23:15.07 | anrp | and....that's it (for umts) |
| 23:15.14 | anrp | verizon does have a decent network, but its anything but open |
| 23:15.40 | t_s_o | crap, looks like my isp is having issues with dns again :( |
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