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| 00:47.30 | summatusmentis | stefan_schmidt: you're leaving OM? :-/ |
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| 03:59.18 | summatusmentis | good evening all |
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| 04:18.27 | KNY | Anyone around that would care to help with getting Freerunner working under qemu? |
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| 04:20.00 | KNY | I'm following the guide on the wiki, which is written for gta01, so I adapted openmoko/env for gta02, but flash.sh gives me tons of "s3c_nand_read: Bad register 0x20" messages |
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| 04:30.16 | rtm | KNY: How'd you get an '02? |
| 04:30.25 | KNY | ? |
| 04:30.48 | rtm | DO you actually have a gta02? |
| 04:30.58 | KNY | the hardware? no |
| 04:31.07 | rtm | Oh, sorry. |
| 04:31.10 | KNY | haha |
| 04:31.16 | KNY | I'm trying to set up the emulator |
| 04:34.54 | KNY | the 01 images work fine |
| 04:36.05 | rtm | Well, I don't know what the problem is, but I vaguely remember hearing about the problem on this channel some time ago. , It's tedious, but you could search the archived IRC logs. |
| 04:39.54 | KNY | I did and the result was me, the last time I had this problem |
| 04:40.01 | KNY | which I solved by, again, using the 01 images |
| 04:40.06 | KNY | :) |
| 04:40.12 | rtm | Ooops Sorry again! |
| 04:40.21 | KNY | haha, no worries |
| 04:41.27 | KNY | looks like I'll just wait until I get the device |
| 04:41.29 | KNY | thanks |
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| 08:00.03 | Sup3rkiddo | hello y'all |
| 08:02.35 | edistar | I wish you, Sup3rkiddo, and all others a wonderful sunny morning! |
| 08:03.07 | Sup3rkiddo | edistar, its sunny as hell |
| 08:03.15 | Sup3rkiddo | 40 C here |
| 08:03.34 | CVirus | where ? |
| 08:03.40 | Sup3rkiddo | Chennai |
| 08:04.31 | edistar | migrates himself to Chennai |
| 08:04.44 | Sup3rkiddo | bleh |
| 08:08.19 | CVirus | India :-D |
| 08:08.43 | Sup3rkiddo | yay |
| 08:09.00 | Sup3rkiddo | CVirus, you looked it up..didnt ya? |
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| 08:11.25 | CVirus | yup |
| 08:23.48 | CVirus | Guys, any idea how much will OM.com cost for the shipping to the USA ? |
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| 08:32.57 | Donson | hello late night fresh developers |
| 08:34.15 | Sup3rkiddo | hallo |
| 08:35.46 | Donson | oh man i wish my halo cd didnt break |
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| 09:12.23 | Donson | /habing trouble building mokomakefile |
| 09:12.42 | Donson | anyone else out there ready to see the sunrise? |
| 09:14.13 | Blastur | you assume everyone is in your timezone ;-) |
| 09:14.30 | Blastur | the sun set almost 5 hours ago here |
| 09:17.00 | Donson | woah... |
| 09:17.20 | Donson | maybe its the gallons of moutain dew but you just blew my mind |
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| 09:19.00 | SpeedEvil | rose 3 hours ago noe. |
| 09:19.02 | SpeedEvil | w |
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| 09:20.32 | Donson | hello friends |
| 09:21.03 | Donson | The sun may not know us the same, but we are all one nonetheless |
| 09:22.04 | zedstar | i want some of that mountain dew u been drinking it sounds good :) |
| 09:22.14 | Blastur | haha, yeah.. i was thinking the same thing |
| 09:22.29 | Blastur | Donson is either a bot, or high on mountain dew |
| 09:22.57 | SpeedEvil | Or both |
| 09:22.59 | Donson | lol |
| 09:23.17 | Donson | I AM NOT A BOT |
| 09:23.47 | meyerm | Let's do a Turing test :-p |
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| 09:24.06 | Donson | Turing test? |
| 09:24.13 | pH5 | most people on IRC wouldn't pass that |
| 09:24.18 | Donson | Turine? |
| 09:24.20 | zedstar | u gotta be pretty wasted to be accused of being a bot lol |
| 09:24.25 | Donson | the drug in energy drinks |
| 09:24.30 | Donson | haha |
| 09:24.44 | CVirus | lol |
| 09:24.53 | Donson | i would agree, but i was once convinced of being a robot in real life |
| 09:25.02 | Donson | convinced = accused |
| 09:25.23 | Donson | bitch thought i was too smart to be a humanoid |
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| 09:25.27 | Donson | ... i mean human |
| 09:25.29 | CVirus | Donson is a bot |
| 09:26.06 | Donson | haha |
| 09:26.08 | Donson | what is a bot |
| 09:26.11 | zedstar | "These aren't the droids you're looking for..." |
| 09:26.12 | Donson | how can i be a bot |
| 09:26.18 | Donson | obi wan |
| 09:26.29 | Donson | talking about my bros c3po and R2 |
| 09:27.34 | Blastur | Donson: what kind of an animal is this? http://tinyurl.com/23dd2h |
| 09:28.14 | Donson | looks like my old kitty |
| 09:28.47 | Donson | but far more fierce looking |
| 09:29.09 | Donson | good ol splenda was very passive |
| 09:29.44 | Donson | until she ate sugar and splenda in one sitting and got very sick :( |
| 09:31.48 | Donson | do you guys know what the -r0 or -r1 means at the end of these package names mean? |
| 09:32.48 | pH5 | Donson: package revision. when the upstream sources stay the same, but there are packaging fixes (changes in dependencies or compiler flags, etc.) the revision is increased. |
| 09:34.38 | Donson | thanks |
| 09:37.29 | CVirus | Guys, any idea how much will OM.com cost for the shipping to the USA ? |
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| 09:37.51 | SpeedEvil | CVirus: I'll hand-carry you one for $4k! |
| 09:37.53 | Donson | man, did anyone else have a terrible time building mokomakefile? |
| 09:38.04 | SpeedEvil | Donson: it has issues |
| 09:38.19 | Donson | :( |
| 09:38.34 | Donson | any alternatives to putting 2007.2 on my neo? |
| 09:38.47 | CVirus | SpeedEvil: excuse me ? |
| 09:39.10 | zedstar | donson u can just download images and flash them |
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| 09:39.56 | Donson | I tried that, it didnt change |
| 09:40.10 | Donson | haha i guess i didnt do it right hten |
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| 09:41.25 | zedstar | using mokomakefile is just gonna end up building images which u still need to flash so not really gonna help u much |
| 09:42.55 | Donson | hmmm |
| 09:43.18 | Donson | so I can flash the new OM just like i did it originally? |
| 09:43.19 | zedstar | ive not flashed my neo for sometime but the process is well documented on the wiki |
| 09:43.55 | Donson | yeah I thought I followed it |
| 09:44.03 | zedstar | donson have u done the nand erase kernel and nand erase rootfs etc stuff before flashing |
| 09:44.06 | Donson | but I ended up with the same old version |
| 09:44.16 | Donson | No I did not |
| 09:44.47 | zedstar | donon check that on the wiki and do that first before flashing |
| 09:45.12 | zedstar | donson make sure it do it correctly else u will brick the device.. eg supply a value to nand erase |
| 09:45.46 | Donson | ok |
| 09:45.55 | Donson | yeah i read that and got scared so didnt do it haha |
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| 09:50.22 | zedstar | donson after u flashed successfully u can then just update from the command line |
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| 09:57.39 | Donson | i jsut erased rootfs and kernel, do I need to flash uboot then? |
| 10:00.30 | edistar|afk | Donson: afaik no |
| 10:01.42 | Donson | cool |
| 10:01.46 | Donson | whats afaik mean? |
| 10:02.00 | edistar|afk | as far as I know |
| 10:05.38 | Donson | nice |
| 10:05.49 | Donson | haha i feel ive learned more today than all semester |
| 10:07.05 | edistar|afk | Donson: good! |
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| 10:10.10 | Donson | A question for anyone that would like to comment |
| 10:10.38 | Donson | I would like to write an app that simply sens an sms text message of "hello" |
| 10:10.50 | Donson | how difficult will that be? |
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| 10:15.47 | ScaredyCat | how old is your uboot? |
| 10:16.08 | ScaredyCat | Donson: take a look at smstools3 |
| 10:17.24 | Donson | i'll do that thanks |
| 10:17.40 | edistar|afk | Donson: you can also talk to the gsm modem directly and use AT commands |
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| 10:19.07 | Donson | edistar|afk: yeah I was able to do that. Am I able to put something like that in an app? |
| 10:19.59 | edistar|afk | Donson: why not :) |
| 10:20.09 | edistar|afk | Donson: e.g. with python |
| 10:20.20 | edistar|afk | or any other language ;) |
| 10:20.25 | Donson | awesome |
| 10:20.55 | edistar|afk | Donson: although I'd recommend using emdete s pygsmd |
| 10:21.24 | edistar|afk | Donson: sms works since yesterday I think |
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| 10:28.31 | ScaredyCat | anyone do pyhton here? |
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| 10:42.16 | Sup3rkiddo | me me me |
| 10:42.25 | Sup3rkiddo | but not "do" it |
| 10:42.39 | spydon | "chickens do not use motif"? :P |
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| 10:46.19 | charlie137 | hello all |
| 10:47.19 | Donson | Hi Charlie |
| 10:48.11 | charlie137 | I am new to openmoko |
| 10:48.18 | ScaredyCat | Sup3rkiddo: what module do I need for array ? |
| 10:48.24 | Donson | me too |
| 10:48.29 | Donson | how are you doing so far? |
| 10:48.40 | ScaredyCat | "ImportError: No module named array" |
| 10:48.45 | charlie137 | I live in Taipei and I will start to work for the company next month |
| 10:48.45 | Sup3rkiddo | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:48.53 | Sup3rkiddo | ScaredyCat, are you doing this on the neo? |
| 10:48.57 | ScaredyCat | yes |
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| 10:49.11 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r227 10/trunk/software/pyneod/ (6 files in 2 dirs): timeouts for sim access raised |
| 10:49.12 | Sup3rkiddo | python-core doesnt have the array module |
| 10:49.25 | ScaredyCat | I've noticed! |
| 10:49.36 | charlie137 | right now I am just gathering information about the community |
| 10:50.14 | ScaredyCat | there's lots to read charlie137 :) |
| 10:50.25 | ScaredyCat | Sup3rkiddo: so errm, what do I do.. |
| 10:50.37 | ScaredyCat | I don't see a module for arrays in oe |
| 10:50.38 | charlie137 | i know :) |
| 10:50.39 | Sup3rkiddo | ScaredyCat, maybe install python-misc |
| 10:50.47 | ScaredyCat | maybe? |
| 10:50.58 | Sup3rkiddo | i havent used "array" on the neo |
| 10:51.02 | Sup3rkiddo | bleh |
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| 10:51.25 | ScaredyCat | why on earth aren't arrays in the core? |
| 10:51.34 | charlie137 | do some people here append to work in openmoko office in Taipei ? |
| 10:51.52 | ScaredyCat | it's not in misc Sup3rkiddo |
| 10:52.02 | Sup3rkiddo | i noticed as well |
| 10:52.14 | ScaredyCat | some do, but not us charlie137 |
| 10:52.34 | ScaredyCat | I have to complete the pond, bbiab |
| 10:52.46 | Sup3rkiddo | maybe math |
| 10:53.18 | Sup3rkiddo | not in match |
| 10:53.21 | Sup3rkiddo | *math |
| 10:53.25 | Sup3rkiddo | gives up |
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| 10:54.30 | Sup3rkiddo | ScaredyCat, whats the task at hand?.. |
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| 11:17.33 | Donson | im trying to update my neo, and the ipkg update command fails at a missing file |
| 11:17.50 | Donson | How would i edit the 'ipkg update' file? |
| 11:19.48 | mickeyl | Sup3rkiddo: ipkg install python-lang |
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| 11:22.08 | Donson | wha does that allow me to do? |
| 11:22.32 | mickeyl | Sup3rkiddo: if you are looking for a specific module, take a look packages/python/python-2.5-manifest.inc |
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| 11:30.12 | Sup3rkiddo | mickeyl, oh...thanks..didnt know about that |
| 11:30.58 | Sup3rkiddo | ScaredyCat, python-lang has the array module |
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| 12:06.03 | Sup3rkiddo | whats the solution to the git problem with linux-2.6.2.4...make clobber..i remember someone coming here with a similar problem but forgot the fix..=/ |
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| 12:44.43 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r229 10/trunk/specifications/tools/spec-to-docbook.xsl: tools/spec-to-docbook.xsl: make it aware of our doc:inote (implementation note) |
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| 12:48.11 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r230 10/trunk/specifications/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.xml.in: |
| 12:48.11 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.xml: add signal "ActivatedCall", rename signal "Status" to |
| 12:48.11 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: "CallProgress". NOTES: |
| 12:48.11 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 1.) ActivatedCall and ReleasedCall are mandatory signals. You are guaranteed to get them. |
| 12:48.15 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 2.) CallProgress is an optional signal that's been sent or not based on the modem capabilities. |
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| 12:58.26 | spydon | So you are pro charlie137? ^^ |
| 12:59.24 | charlie137 | pro what ? |
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| 13:27.01 | emdete | which timezone is in taipe? +08? |
| 13:37.09 | ScaredyCat | Sup3rkiddo: playing with bluez |
| 13:37.49 | ScaredyCat | surely arrays are part of the core |
| 13:37.54 | ScaredyCat | stupid language |
| 13:38.01 | Sup3rkiddo | ScaredyCat, they are part of the python-lang |
| 13:38.07 | Sup3rkiddo | ScaredyCat, you got lists for that |
| 13:38.11 | Sup3rkiddo | or tuples |
| 13:38.15 | Sup3rkiddo | bleh to yu |
| 13:38.57 | ScaredyCat | lists? |
| 13:40.09 | mickey|walk | emdete: yes, +7 or +8, depending on DST |
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| 13:41.25 | Sup3rkiddo | ScaredyCat, i thought you use arrays only if you absolutely want to make sure your members are of same type |
| 13:41.54 | ScaredyCat | whaT! |
| 13:42.10 | Sup3rkiddo | no? |
| 13:42.16 | Sup3rkiddo | in python |
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| 13:42.57 | Sup3rkiddo | arrays in python are more like lists, only that you define the type of the members beforehand |
| 13:43.12 | Sup3rkiddo | foo = array.array('c) |
| 13:43.20 | Sup3rkiddo | creates an array for characters |
| 13:43.40 | Sup3rkiddo | you can't append an integer to it..so foo.append(7) would barf |
| 13:43.45 | Sup3rkiddo | afaik |
| 13:44.36 | Sup3rkiddo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:46.00 | Sup3rkiddo | well..i was right :P |
| 13:46.11 | ScaredyCat | looks at Sup3rkiddo |
| 13:46.35 | Sup3rkiddo | hmm.. |
| 13:46.40 | Sup3rkiddo | scratches his head |
| 13:46.44 | Sup3rkiddo | where did i goof up? |
| 13:48.28 | ScaredyCat | when |
| 13:48.30 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 13:48.37 | Sup3rkiddo | nm :/ |
| 13:49.12 | ScaredyCat | ~lart Sup3rkiddo |
| 13:49.12 | apt | puts Sup3rkiddo through a wood chipper |
| 13:53.49 | Sup3rkiddo | bleh |
| 13:54.05 | Sup3rkiddo | whatever said..python rocks period |
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| 13:59.19 | ScaredyCat | yeah, bloody python |
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| 14:03.22 | mickeyl | 07.07 question: is there any reason to export the type of phonebook entry (145 for when it contains a '+', 129, otherwise) to the dbus interface? |
| 14:03.41 | mickeyl | I'd say no, we deal with that transparently in the phone server. |
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| 14:10.18 | Kero | mickeyl: seems right; phonebook should not be smart when phone server is; should phone book be able to ask (the phone server) whether a phone number is valid? mainly when user enters a number by hand. |
| 14:10.35 | Sup3rkiddo | mickeyl, but there will be a provision for accessing the type? |
| 14:10.43 | Sup3rkiddo | if required |
| 14:10.52 | mickeyl | i don't think so |
| 14:10.55 | mickeyl | why do we need that? |
| 14:11.06 | mickeyl | you can tell by looking at the number |
| 14:11.09 | mickeyl | whether it contains a + or not :) |
| 14:11.17 | mickeyl | besides, 145 or 129 doesn't tell you anything ;) |
| 14:11.38 | Kero | wonders who made up the number, to start with. |
| 14:11.42 | mickeyl | i think it's just a strange artefact necessary for some feature phones |
| 14:11.49 | Sup3rkiddo | hmm...ok...i was wondering about something like this...gettype(number) |
| 14:12.01 | mickeyl | what kind of types do you expect? |
| 14:12.09 | Sup3rkiddo | 145 and 129 :P |
| 14:12.12 | mickeyl | ah |
| 14:12.12 | mickeyl | heh |
| 14:12.13 | mickeyl | no |
| 14:12.21 | Kero | local, national, international. |
| 14:12.29 | mickeyl | right |
| 14:12.30 | Kero | or rather, what I have to pay :) |
| 14:12.32 | mickeyl | that we can talk about |
| 14:12.43 | mickeyl | but that's not directly related to 07.07, but a higher level functin |
| 14:12.47 | Kero | yup |
| 14:12.52 | mickeyl | so, ok, i just leave that odd type field out |
| 14:13.21 | Kero | I do not care at a higher level, whether I phone or VoIP. |
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| 14:13.36 | Kero | just want to reach the person. costs that I'll make are relevant |
| 14:14.07 | Kero | where the other mobile(!) phone is (country of origin? do I care, except the person might be sleeping inadvertently? :) |
| 14:14.43 | mickeyl | :) |
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| 14:14.50 | mickeyl | nice stuff we can add to the UI later |
| 14:14.58 | Kero | yeah. |
| 14:15.00 | Sup3rkiddo | so how do i get to know the type through code...i might want to do something like this (if(gettype(number) == international) warn_user...sorry if its a dum question |
| 14:15.25 | Kero | I'm just trying to argue that "local,national, international" is an artefact from the phone campanies, too |
| 14:16.42 | mickeyl | true |
| 14:16.59 | mickeyl | Sup3rkiddo: you can do that simply by inspecing the number |
| 14:17.32 | Sup3rkiddo | with the plus in front? |
| 14:17.35 | mickeyl | ya |
| 14:17.59 | mickeyl | i wonder how GSM reacts to the '00' prefix which is allowed in some countries as synonym to '+' |
| 14:18.06 | Sup3rkiddo | hehe ok...maybe i am overengineering my thoughts |
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| 14:18.39 | Sup3rkiddo | then looking out for + wouldnt be a clean way |
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| 14:29.08 | nibbler_de | mickeyl: it's rather a question how the network is configured ;) |
| 14:29.35 | nibbler_de | in .eu i guess it won't be much of a problem |
| 14:30.07 | mickeyl | ya |
| 14:30.40 | mickeyl | i was actually surprised when i heard the first time that 00 was not an international standard |
| 14:31.44 | madwoota | 00 is a bit too close to 000 which is our emergency services line |
| 14:31.49 | madwoota | (.au) |
| 14:31.53 | nibbler_de | i guess in the us they dial 01 orso |
| 14:32.01 | nibbler_de | was surprised to hear that too |
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| 14:32.54 | nibbler_de | madwoota: if you think "rotary phone" it's a clever choice |
| 14:33.25 | Kero | 00 is, 000 for emergency is not |
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| 14:33.53 | nibbler_de | Kero: why not? |
| 14:34.02 | nibbler_de | it is easy to route and hard to mis-dial |
| 14:34.11 | Kero | if I need emergency, I'm in a hurry |
| 14:34.30 | nibbler_de | Kero: that's why it's 112 or 110 in .de |
| 14:34.53 | nibbler_de | but they did not chose 111 for a good reason and took the 0 for the same |
| 14:36.29 | nibbler_de | it's rather easy to cause inadvertedly a 1 on a line that supports pulse dialing |
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| 14:39.52 | Kero | another nice one: dial 9 to get local numbers outside the company, dial 91 for nonlocal numbers |
| 14:40.05 | nibbler_de | ;) |
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| 14:40.28 | Kero | had a nice surprise when he tried that on a phone that was (contrary to the sticker on it) not on the company network |
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| 14:40.52 | nibbler_de | your number started with a 1? ;) |
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| 14:41.01 | Kero | yup! |
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| 14:43.00 | Kero | or so I tried. |
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| 14:43.20 | Kero | btw, numbers in the USA that seem local, may not be. |
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| 14:43.36 | Kero | same area code, needed to use it nevertheless. |
| 14:44.19 | Kero | where mobile phones in .nl all start with 06, in the USA they start with an arbitrary (can be your choice!) area number. |
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| 14:45.13 | Kero | You would have to ask the network whether number is local or not. Either way, I think I really only care what it'd cost if I'd dial the number now. |
| 14:45.28 | Kero | and now I'm off. |
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| 15:22.46 | pyknite | hi |
| 15:23.03 | pyknite | no update on the freerunner since last week? |
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| 15:25.49 | wurp2 | Stupid Q: URL for reporting openmoko bugs? |
| 15:26.09 | wurp2 | 'opkg list' appears to lock the whole OS if you run it with no inet connection |
| 15:26.24 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r231 10/trunk/specifications/otapi/ (README org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.xml.in): otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.xml: fully documented |
| 15:26.49 | mickeyl | wurp2: bugs.openmoko.org |
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| 15:32.19 | wurp2 | mickeyl: thanks |
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| 15:32.36 | wurp2 | I'm gonna add a wiki page that says that ;-) |
| 15:33.20 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r232 10/trunk/specifications/otapi/ (2 files): otapi: docs++ |
| 15:33.27 | mickeyl | heh |
| 15:33.31 | mickeyl | well |
| 15:33.38 | mickeyl | usually you just start with openmoko.org |
| 15:33.43 | mickeyl | and then see the list of all subsites |
| 15:33.52 | wurp2 | Searching the wiki for bug or defect gave 0 hits |
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| 15:34.01 | wurp2 | Hmm, I don't think I've ever hit openmoko.org |
| 15:34.39 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 15:34.40 | mickeyl | have fun |
| 15:34.41 | Sup3rkiddo | mickeyl, speaking of bugs, does fso have a bug tracker ? =) |
| 15:35.50 | mickeyl | sure thing |
| 15:36.00 | mickeyl | take a look at http://www.freesmartphone.org/mediawiki/index.php/Infrastructure |
| 15:36.16 | Sup3rkiddo | it does.?..i looked around at the linux 2go site.. |
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| 15:36.49 | mickeyl | correct |
| 15:37.02 | Sup3rkiddo | but ahem..its empty |
| 15:37.10 | mickeyl | the actual URL is: http://projects.linuxtogo.org/tracker/?group_id=11 |
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| 15:37.16 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 15:37.19 | mickeyl | good, isn't it? |
| 15:37.20 | mickeyl | no bugs yet |
| 15:37.23 | Sup3rkiddo | bah |
| 15:37.46 | mickeyl | what did you expect? the only thing release is the MUXer yet |
| 15:38.22 | Sup3rkiddo | hmm...true..i was expecting some byte sized tasks in the tracker... |
| 15:38.28 | mickeyl | ah |
| 15:38.35 | Sup3rkiddo | (i dunno where to start) |
| 15:39.19 | mickeyl | i think the critical mass has been soon reached |
| 15:39.29 | mickeyl | then we can start adding tasks |
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| 15:39.40 | Sup3rkiddo | hmm..ok...till then |
| 15:39.54 | mickeyl | till then please help us wrt. otapi specs and odeviced specs |
| 15:40.03 | mickeyl | that's the top stuff being worked on atm. |
| 15:40.17 | Sup3rkiddo | yay..odeviced |
| 15:41.37 | CVirus | no freerunners out yet :( |
| 15:42.54 | Mek | hmm.. when trying to build with the mokomakefile stuff I get some git errors when building the linux-openmoko package... |
| 15:43.21 | Sup3rkiddo | me too |
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| 15:46.23 | wurp2 | later guys |
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| 15:59.26 | mickeyl | native speakers... register { "with", "at", "against" } provider ? |
| 16:00.02 | cesarb | Mek, Sup3rkiddo: the revision for linux-openmoko on sane-srcrevs.inc is bogus, change it to autorev and it'll work |
| 16:00.34 | Sup3rkiddo | cesarb, thanks |
| 16:00.56 | cesarb | If you have been logging IRC yesterday I explained it to someone else, try to find in the scrollback ;-) |
| 16:01.39 | Sup3rkiddo | cesarb, yes..i do remember you explained it to someone...but forgot what it was :0 |
| 16:02.16 | cesarb | mumbles something about "stable" trees |
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| 16:07.37 | cesarb | great, this POS multitap doesn't have underscore or equals either |
| 16:08.00 | cesarb | It really needs a fourth mode besides lowercase/uppercase/numeric for "symbols" |
| 16:08.12 | cesarb | Pity, since it's way faster to use than the old one |
| 16:13.42 | pyknite | hi |
| 16:14.13 | pyknite | is there some update about the freerunner since last week? (sorry to re-answer, i was deconnected) |
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| 16:18.35 | mjr | some say final testing probably ends within this month |
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| 16:19.08 | mjr | also, it seems the led power consumption thing will be optimized in all sales models |
| 16:19.17 | pyknite | hum, it might be a good news if it's real |
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| 16:25.36 | Mek | cesarb: how do I change it to autorev (unfortunately I wasn't online yesterday)... just changing the number to autorev gives me the error that autorev is not a valid object name |
| 16:26.14 | cesarb | Mek: "${AUTOREV}" |
| 16:26.23 | Mek | ah, okay :) |
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| 16:26.27 | cesarb | instead of "4164" or whatever the number was |
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| 16:28.39 | cesarb | hm, funny stuff in cpufreq land |
| 16:29.01 | cesarb | the LCM flicker is gone, and I didn't change anything in the code which would cause it to go away |
| 16:29.39 | cesarb | and for some reason the screen click sound is working even after a frequency switch, I didn't expect that to happen (I was testing without sound before) |
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| 16:30.35 | cesarb | also, it seems something is using too much CPU... load average stays above 1 |
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| 16:34.40 | cesarb | also, the click sound is funny, it's _softer_ when the CPU is at lower frequencies, which doesn't make any sense |
| 16:35.18 | mickeyl | heh, that's strange |
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| 16:39.43 | bmk789 | is ready for a gnu phone |
| 16:40.26 | Donson | Does anyone know a good tutorial for building a simple app without using mokomakefile? |
| 16:41.15 | bmk789 | Donson: you mean without bitbake? |
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| 16:52.17 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r233 10/trunk/specifications/otapi/ (3 files): |
| 16:52.17 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.xml: docs++ |
| 16:52.17 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.SIM.xml: add GetSubscriberNumber and GetCountryCode from org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.xml |
| 16:52.17 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.xml: add documentation for all methods. |
| 16:52.24 | mickeyl | *phew* |
| 16:52.36 | Sup3rkiddo | :) |
| 16:52.40 | SpeedEvil | This isn't a proper open-source project anymore. |
| 16:52.43 | SpeedEvil | Docs? |
| 16:52.46 | SpeedEvil | Wierd. |
| 16:52.46 | mickeyl | hahah |
| 16:52.48 | mickeyl | :D |
| 16:52.58 | mickeyl | oh-so-boring |
| 16:53.13 | Sup3rkiddo | boring builds character |
| 16:53.17 | SpeedEvil | But regrettably handy for thost that don't have the time to memorise all the source. |
| 16:53.23 | mickeyl | indeed |
| 16:53.52 | mickeyl | so, dinner now. After that, docs for org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call... |
| 16:53.54 | mickeyl | l8er |
| 16:54.00 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 17:03.52 | cesarb | hm, the flicker REALLY is gone, looks like whatever they did to fix the flicker on '02 fixed it on '01 too, even with lower CPU speeds |
| 17:04.10 | cesarb | and I did manage to make the sound subsystem make funny noises! |
| 17:05.20 | Sup3rkiddo | like farting noises? |
| 17:05.32 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 17:05.51 | SpeedEvil | encourages cesarb to carry on with his pioneering frequency altering work. |
| 17:05.54 | cb22 | SpeedEvil, happy mood :p? |
| 17:05.55 | SpeedEvil | puts away the whip. |
| 17:05.58 | Sup3rkiddo | hehe |
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| 17:09.53 | ScaredyCat | holy crap! |
| 17:10.01 | ScaredyCat | return from suspend works! |
| 17:10.19 | cb22 | gets a hammer and smashes working resume to pieces |
| 17:10.24 | ScaredyCat | except neod appears in the app list |
| 17:10.26 | cb22 | there, like it should be. |
| 17:11.09 | ScaredyCat | thinks it should be in the forground, not the background |
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| 17:14.20 | m3 | argh! I lost a key... |
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| 17:16.27 | m3 | that's what I get for keeping this thing out of its shell... |
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| 17:24.02 | ScaredyCat | cia bot broken? |
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| 17:57.30 | mwester | ScaredyCat: have you not been watching the kernel mailing list ;) |
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| 18:13.47 | playya_ | hi |
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| 18:23.59 | playya_ | thos, is there any documentation about gsm? |
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| 18:50.52 | kdubois | any news about when the freerunner will be available to buy? |
| 18:51.40 | mjr | last I saw final testing is expected to end within the month. So hopefully soon. |
| 18:52.26 | kdubois | mjr: yay, sounds good! |
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| 19:21.04 | eier | hi |
| 19:21.10 | eier | is the gta02 for sale? |
| 19:21.20 | m3 | not yet |
| 19:21.28 | eier | when? |
| 19:21.55 | m3 | noone knows for sure, but it be in about four weeks last I read |
| 19:22.09 | eier | ok |
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| 19:27.17 | eier | is the gta01 phone for sale? |
| 19:28.55 | edistar | eier: pulster.de has a handful left, officially no |
| 19:29.10 | eier | ok |
| 19:29.23 | eier | i need one of those |
| 19:29.36 | Donson | i'll sell you mine in 2 weeks |
| 19:29.49 | eier | gta02? |
| 19:29.56 | Donson | gta01 |
| 19:30.16 | eier | i think im going to buy a gta02 |
| 19:31.02 | Donson | cool |
| 19:31.11 | Donson | im not very trustworthy anyway |
| 19:31.18 | eier | hehe |
| 19:31.19 | edistar | Donson: lol |
| 19:31.38 | marsan | !upload |
| 19:31.43 | marsan | ops..wrong chan |
| 19:31.45 | Donson | fuck that shit anyway |
| 19:32.00 | Donson | i sold a book on ebay for 7 bucks and it cost me $10 to ship it! |
| 19:32.05 | edistar | Donson: how much do you want for the gta01? |
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| 19:32.32 | Donson | i dunno, I havent looked at prices yet |
| 19:32.42 | edistar | Donson: ok |
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| 19:33.38 | Donson | i got the debug board and everything |
| 19:33.58 | Donson | I bought it for a school project and am so frusterated with it i plan to just sell it |
| 19:36.01 | edistar | Donson: if you sell it for $150+ shipping I'm interested ;) |
| 19:37.10 | Donson | damn i hope thats not the price theyre going for |
| 19:37.14 | Donson | i think i paid over 300 |
| 19:38.10 | edistar | Donson: well.. it's a prototype and old.. with the gta02 out |
| 19:38.42 | Donson | yeahh |
| 19:38.59 | ScaredyCat | what colour is it |
| 19:39.06 | Donson | im hoping i can just sell it to someone as being what comes after the iphone |
| 19:39.08 | Donson | black/orange |
| 19:39.32 | ScaredyCat | good good... |
| 19:39.46 | edistar | Donson: lol.. |
| 19:39.47 | ScaredyCat | wants one of each colour, for historical reasons |
| 19:39.59 | edistar | wants a gta01 for his dad |
| 19:40.21 | ScaredyCat | I'm not swapping with you edistar |
| 19:40.38 | ScaredyCat | does he know you're trading him in? |
| 19:41.15 | edistar | ScaredyCat: not yet |
| 19:41.43 | edistar | ScaredyCat: he is english though ;) |
| 19:42.32 | ScaredyCat | not of that foreign tat eh? :P |
| 19:42.41 | ScaredyCat | s/not/none/ |
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| 19:48.01 | d3vice | hi all |
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| 20:29.36 | cb22 | hmm, i've only heard the next gta0* being referred to as GTA04, what is GTA03? |
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| 20:31.54 | SpeedEvil | I heard it was going to be completly circular. |
| 20:32.03 | SpeedEvil | And be the GTA03.14 |
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| 20:34.35 | broedje | when i try to compile boot_usb, which might me help to boot, i get several warnings and error 1.... |
| 20:37.03 | ScaredyCat | GTA pie |
| 20:37.10 | ScaredyCat | mmmmmm |
| 20:37.18 | ScaredyCat | </homer> |
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| 20:39.09 | mjr | I heard it was going to guarantee derivative products to be identical to itself, and called GTA02.72^x |
| 20:39.22 | mjr | (I'll get me coat) |
| 20:39.47 | SpeedEvil | Naah - that's the party version. |
| 20:40.20 | mjr | oh, the one with the possibly lethal side effects |
| 20:40.46 | SpeedEvil | Actually - statistically speaking - probably safer than alcohol. |
| 20:41.20 | mjr | shan't argue with that |
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| 22:02.05 | Mek | hmm.. while trying to build an image with mokomakefile it fails in the do_rootfs task of openmoko-devel-image because mkfs.jffs2 exist with a SIGABRT... |
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| 22:03.50 | Lintus | Has they started mass production? |
| 22:04.02 | mjr | no |
| 22:04.45 | mactimes | Will it happen sometime soon? ;-) |
| 22:05.07 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 22:05.09 | SpeedEvil | Very soon. |
| 22:05.13 | SpeedEvil | Real soon now in fact. |
| 22:05.33 | mactimes | Oh, thank God! ^^ |
| 22:06.21 | azaghal | Heh, definition of soon be tricky :) |
| 22:06.29 | elation | SpeedEvil: Anyone that I can speak to about mass production phase? just out of personal interest how its done. |
| 22:06.37 | SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_soon_now |
| 22:06.41 | mactimes | I was about to throw my mobile in the trash bin and buy a smart phone. I think I'm waiting a bit then. :P |
| 22:06.51 | azaghal | Anyone can tell me what's the battery lifetime, and how good the touchscreen is? (or refer me to some nice benchmark/wiki page :) |
| 22:07.06 | SpeedEvil | I know basically how mobile phones are constructed, and have some experience in electronics construction. |
| 22:07.08 | elation | azaghal: I take bets! 1Euro / minimum :) |
| 22:07.26 | SpeedEvil | Azalyn: battery is more a software thing. Hardware wise - it can manage over a week standby. |
| 22:07.48 | SpeedEvil | Touchscreen - well - it's a touchscreen. |
| 22:07.51 | azaghal | Well, I usually like to know in full-operation mode. |
| 22:07.51 | SpeedEvil | What more do you want? |
| 22:07.58 | SpeedEvil | Define full. |
| 22:08.10 | azaghal | All the hardware working at full capacity. |
| 22:08.13 | SpeedEvil | 3-5 hours playing full screen video loudly probably. |
| 22:08.35 | mjr | azaghal, that'd be pretty low then |
| 22:08.40 | azaghal | As for touchscreen, for example, Nokia 770 has a really bad touchscreen which loses sensitivity quickly. |
| 22:08.43 | mjr | but it's also an insane measurement |
| 22:09.01 | SpeedEvil | Maybe 1.5 hours if you have a 500mA USB device attached and are using wifi when on a call too. |
| 22:09.21 | azaghal | Ok, that's decent for such a relatively small bugger then :) |
| 22:09.23 | mjr | 1.5? sounds like a lot |
| 22:09.39 | SpeedEvil | 1-1.5 |
| 22:09.47 | elation | SpeedEvil: How about constant mp3 mplaying? |
| 22:10.02 | SpeedEvil | elation: that's easier - 12h+ has been done on the existing hardware. |
| 22:10.11 | mjr | of course, all this with a bluetooth earpiece, keeping a gps lock _and_ playing that video loudly at the same time |
| 22:10.22 | SpeedEvil | (underclocked, undervolted, ...) |
| 22:10.27 | elation | That is acceptable. |
| 22:11.00 | SpeedEvil | However. cesarb has some stuff he's playing with - whihc if it works as expected - with GTA01 - should get to 15h+ or so. |
| 22:11.16 | azaghal | Not bad at all. |
| 22:11.19 | SpeedEvil | ( playing mp3) |
| 22:11.33 | azaghal | Lasts longer than my current player :) |
| 22:11.47 | SpeedEvil | GTA02 should in principle be a bit better. But I haven't attacked it with a multimeter. |
| 22:12.08 | Lintus | [01:03:09] <SpeedEvil> Real soon now in fact. |
| 22:12.17 | Lintus | Ehm, sounds like DNF |
| 22:12.31 | SpeedEvil | DNF indeed is supplied with the GTA02 :) |
| 22:13.04 | Lintus | Do ya mean digital noise filter or duke nukem forever? =) |
| 22:13.13 | SpeedEvil | The latter of course! |
| 22:13.28 | Lintus | Tought so |
| 22:13.40 | Lintus | +h |
| 22:13.41 | SpeedEvil | In principle, you can do arbitrary filtering with the GTA01/2 hardware |
| 22:13.54 | SpeedEvil | as you can put the audio signal through the CPU effectively. |
| 22:13.57 | Mononoke | pokes azaghal "we realy should make Dukenukem Whenever game and port it on moko" |
| 22:14.18 | azaghal | Mononoke: There is a Duke Nukem FS engine already :) |
| 22:14.22 | Lintus | SpeedEvil: You know something about freerunner? |
| 22:14.47 | SpeedEvil | Lintus: Nothing specifically about release schedules or stuff. Generalities, yes. |
| 22:14.52 | Lintus | Okay |
| 22:14.55 | azaghal | So, before I go to sleep - any experiences with quality of touchscreen? (especially since the model has no physical keys for numbers etc) |
| 22:15.11 | mjr | it seems "okay" |
| 22:16.16 | SpeedEvil | It's a touchscreen. |
| 22:16.21 | SpeedEvil | Touch it, and you get a position. |
| 22:16.22 | Lintus | I was just wondering what's going on, coz i havent seen com updates since april 14.. |
| 22:16.31 | SpeedEvil | It does exactly what it says on the tin. |
| 22:17.08 | azaghal | Heheh, that's not the problem, I just wonder if it will work after 1-2 years of exploatation :) |
| 22:17.25 | Lintus | Well, have they passed pvt |
| 22:17.42 | mjr | Lintus, pvt "should" end this month, one hears |
| 22:17.46 | CIA-42 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r234 10/trunk/specifications/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.xml.in: otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.xml.in: first bits of docs. G'night. |
| 22:18.14 | Lintus | Aha |
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| 22:20.35 | azaghal | Thanks for all the info ;) |
| 22:20.57 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: playing mp3? I'm thinking of pegging the CPU at the maximum speed when the sound is on... |
| 22:21.20 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: it took - IIRC - 23% for 128K MP3 at 200MHz |
| 22:21.37 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: it worked just fine at 100MHz with about 60% CPU usage |
| 22:21.44 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: (mostly because the frequency switching will probably break the sound, it doesn't actually need to be pegged at the maximum... hm making it configurable could be a good idea...) |
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| 22:22.34 | SpeedEvil | Is the display actually turned off yet? |
| 22:22.36 | duffyd | hi anyone here got django running on the Neo1973? |
| 22:23.17 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: unless someone else changed it, nope... |
| 22:23.39 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: I haven't changed the code much since some weeks ago, only minor changes |
| 22:26.02 | duffyd | I can see it's available on the openembedded repository but was just after some war stories in getting in running :) |
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| 22:33.08 | mwester | SpeedEvil: Clarify your comment about the display being turned off, please? |
| 22:33.19 | SpeedEvil | There are several states. |
| 22:33.25 | SpeedEvil | Backlight on, screen active |
| 22:33.35 | SpeedEvil | Backlight off, screen active |
| 22:33.42 | SpeedEvil | Backlight off, screen inactive |
| 22:34.01 | SpeedEvil | At the moment, when the screen blanks, the display does not turn off |
| 22:34.05 | mwester | And does the second of the three states consume significant power, then? |
| 22:34.17 | SpeedEvil | it's still dragging 60MB/s out of RAM and painting it to the LCD panel. |
| 22:34.34 | SpeedEvil | Which - needless to say - uses power. |
| 22:34.46 | mwester | Aah. And that might also mess up cesarb's freqency changing? |
| 22:35.04 | SpeedEvil | No - that's a side problem. |
| 22:35.11 | SpeedEvil | And not a really hard one. |
| 22:35.26 | mwester | I don't want to over-trivialize this, but it would seem to me that it's just a matter of calling the suspend/resume methods on the pertinent devices... |
| 22:35.36 | mwester | Or am I missing something? |
| 22:35.40 | SpeedEvil | Pretty mucgh. |
| 22:36.43 | mwester | Perhaps I'll play with that a bit. As soon as this last niggling little (!) problem with the GSM and standby/resume is resolved. |
| 22:36.47 | SpeedEvil | The framebuffer is just ordinary RAM - you just need to turn the readout off, and configure it back on when it comes back. And turn off the LCD actually. |
| 22:37.01 | SpeedEvil | the LCD is seperately powered |
| 22:37.40 | mwester | Right. There are two devices; the "fb" is part of the SoC, the LCD controller is something weird on the SPI bus. |
| 22:37.52 | broedj1 | "separately" |
| 22:37.57 | mwester | We can power down the SPI too, at least on the GTA01. |
| 22:38.15 | mwester | (there's nothing else on it on the GTA01; the motion sensors are on it on the 02) |
| 22:39.02 | broedj1 | is it sane to power off... remove the battery while angstrom has halted with screen stuck booted usb? |
| 22:39.10 | mwester | No |
| 22:39.22 | mwester | Not on the GTA01. It may let the magic smoke out of the PMU chip. |
| 22:39.35 | cesarb | mwester: for cpufreq, I've made every peripheral driver tell the cpufreq driver which frequencies it can use (simplifying a bit) |
| 22:39.54 | cesarb | mwester: if the framebuffer driver is enabled, it tells the cpufreq driver it can't go too low |
| 22:39.59 | broedj1 | huh? with no battery? |
| 22:40.03 | mwester | broedj1: remove the USB first, then the battery, then reverse the process to power it back up. |
| 22:40.04 | cesarb | mwester: it's only that from cpufreq's POV |
| 22:40.34 | broedj1 | yea |
| 22:40.35 | cesarb | broedj1: NEVER leave USB plugged on GTA01 without a battery! |
| 22:40.37 | mwester | broedj1: Yes, powering the GTA01 from USB with no battery results in a very nasty high-frequency whine... |
| 22:40.53 | broedj1 | of course |
| 22:40.59 | cesarb | always leaves the cover off as a reminder to put a battery before plugging in |
| 22:41.19 | broedj1 | many phones have that, i heard |
| 22:41.23 | mwester | cesarb: So which peripherals cause the most trouble, then? |
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| 22:41.52 | broedj1 | though i never saw it happen |
| 22:42.46 | mwester | cesarb: Can a driver ask the cpufreq mechanism to re-evaluate? |
| 22:44.47 | duffyd | django anyone :) |
| 22:45.11 | cesarb | mwester: yes, and in fact it's done all the time (open the serial and it'll reevaluate and disallow several frequencies where serial doesn't work, for instance) |
| 22:45.34 | cesarb | mwester: the most problematic driver is serial in fact |
| 22:46.04 | cesarb | mwester: since it has to drain the fifo and use the flow control to stop the other side before doing the switch |
| 22:46.31 | cesarb | mwester: but that one is already working, at least with gsmd (didn't test gllin yet, I'm hoping the chip actually obeys the flow control) |
| 22:47.08 | mwester | I'm having serious troubles with flow control and the GSM. |
| 22:47.21 | cesarb | mwester: the suspend issues, right? |
| 22:47.28 | broedj1 | may i boot_usb Angstrom-console-images or openmoko-image for a780 or must i really use the minimal-openmoko.....as long as i use boot_usb i can play a bit, nah? |
| 22:47.30 | mwester | See the kernel or distro or gsm mailing lists for the my cry for help :) |
| 22:48.14 | cesarb | mwester: isn't there a separate setting for the GPIO pins state during a suspend? I don't recall if it's shared with a GPIO, but it's possible that the flow control ends up the wrong way around when the serial block is off |
| 22:52.13 | cesarb | hopes the flow control pins don't end up as high-z instead... since that would only be fixable with a pull-up/down |
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| 22:59.07 | mwester | cesarb: that's a good thought; I'll check that. |
| 23:04.46 | caratorn | hello, I'm trying to run openmoko in Xephyr/Xoo but it complains about not finding openmoko-today, what is that supposed to be? |
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| 23:11.57 | Moniker42 | you have got to be kidding me |
| 23:12.01 | Moniker42 | "released at some time"? |
| 23:12.06 | Moniker42 | huffs :P |
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| 23:27.45 | broedj1 | uh the openmoko-image (not "minimal") does not seem to have a console to shutdown...am i bricked? |
| 23:29.02 | broedj1 | course not :) |
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| 23:46.11 | SpeedEvil | Has anyone done a comparison of the neo GPS with others? |
| 23:46.16 | SpeedEvil | (GTA01) |
| 23:46.41 | SpeedEvil | I find it has rather crappy filtering and often overshoots and takes ages to correct. |
| 23:51.37 | broedj1 | maybe you took the wrong gasoline |
| 23:52.28 | broedj1 | uh |
| 23:56.13 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/josm.png - as an example - the pink ones are the neo |
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