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| 03:10.56 | cesarb | wonders if it's better to keep his months-old build tree or blow it and start over with the new place for everything |
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| 03:29.56 | roh | mmmh |
| 03:30.01 | roh | now somebody needs to commit |
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| 04:12.34 | cesarb | Is it normal for the mtn pull step on "make setup" stall at about 1.5M? |
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| 04:44.00 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 03sean_chiang * r4381 10/trunk/src/target/audio/om-gta02/gsmhandset.state: testing by will,allen,sean_c, max the volume of receiver and min the volume of mic |
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| 04:47.34 | cesarb | olv: did you know git://git.openmoko.org/git/users/olv/glamofb.git is broken? (if you are the same olv) |
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| 04:57.53 | cb22 | oh noes, teh leds will rapezorrs teh battery! </sarcasim> |
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| 04:59.37 | cesarb | cb22: at least you can pretend you have a gta01 and leave the leds off |
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| 05:00.33 | cb22 | cesarb: i know :) its not as if wifi was broken |
| 05:00.46 | cb22 | or something that 99.9% of people cared about |
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| 05:01.24 | cb22 | they aren't even broken, it just means they will use ore battery, and if they flash... |
| 05:02.24 | cesarb | cb22: it will be a problem for people who want to use the neo as a flashlight :D |
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| 05:02.54 | cesarb | cb22: or if they want to imitate these phones which have two leds, one always on and one slowly blinking... |
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| 05:04.07 | cb22 | heh, or if you want to show it ff to your friends, hey look, my phones buttons have lights! |
| 05:04.13 | cb22 | off* |
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| 05:08.02 | cesarb | after a full hour, finally monotone finished downloading... |
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| 05:21.42 | olv | cesarb: please use dodji's tree |
| 05:21.47 | olv | git://git.openmoko.org/git/users/olv/glamofb.git |
| 05:21.55 | olv | sorry, http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=users/dodji/xglamo.git;a=summary |
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| 06:26.17 | shaz | what does the openmoko patches do to the linux kernel in general |
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| 06:27.02 | shaz | reduces the size or add hardware drivers or what? |
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| 06:38.00 | cesarb | shaz: mostly drivers |
| 06:38.34 | cesarb | shaz: a few bugfixes and new features too |
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| 07:02.44 | shaz | so it means that the standard kernel is used but is'nt that heavy? Would'nt it be more suitable to use a trimmed kernel? |
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| 07:35.42 | Xenius | wants Free software device with EDGE support and keyboard |
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| 07:38.06 | Blastur | Xenius: you wont get it from OM, this year |
| 07:38.39 | ScaredyCat | cb22: the proplem is they need to tell people and get it out in the open because people will only bitch and whine later |
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| 07:40.17 | Xenius | Blastur, I know, other free mobile platform exists |
| 07:40.29 | Xenius | *platforms |
| 07:40.38 | Blastur | such as? |
| 07:40.50 | Blastur | i'd like one with 3G if possible |
| 07:40.52 | Xenius | Android, Qtopia |
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| 07:41.16 | Blastur | The Qtopia greenphone has been cancelled, they focus on OpenMoko hardware instead, don't they? |
| 07:41.39 | Blastur | and Android isn't really 'free', it's just a new version of J2ME .. |
| 07:41.57 | Blastur | in that sense, all existing phones are also free |
| 07:42.27 | summatusmentis | Android has a free core... iirc it's running an open source base system, w/ a proprietary gui on top |
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| 07:42.52 | Xenius | Is only OpenMoko free software platform for mobiles? |
| 07:43.28 | summatusmentis | Xenius: well Qtopia... |
| 07:43.58 | Blastur | summatusmentis: the way i understand it is that you can create your own apps and replace existing apps, but all code is written in Java and compiled to that Java Bytecode clone |
| 07:44.33 | Blastur | so sure, you can probably write whatever apps you want for the android platform, but you cannot do low-level additions, nor reflash the core |
| 07:45.08 | Blastur | the android project will be implemented by a lot of different large phone companies, so i guess they will differ too.. just like every freaking j2me jvm implementation is different |
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| 07:47.08 | Xenius | What device to bue for replacing my nokia N73 with damned Symbian 9? |
| 07:49.19 | Xenius | I need numeric or full keyboard, EDGE, high resolution display and ability to change any files on it |
| 07:49.44 | Blastur | there is no such device yet |
| 07:50.13 | Xenius | What about nokia N70? |
| 07:50.21 | Blastur | however, many linux based phones are emerging, probably much more hackable than previous phones |
| 07:51.06 | edistar | lol.. ability to change any file on it ;) it'll be hard to find a phone wher you can change system files :) |
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| 07:51.43 | Xenius | Files, that is not on ROM can be changed |
| 07:53.52 | Xenius | Blastur, what phones in my requires do you know? |
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| 07:55.25 | ScaredyCat | Xenius: what country are you in |
| 07:55.53 | ScaredyCat | makes a difference tbh |
| 07:56.03 | ScaredyCat | does a happy dance.. |
| 07:56.17 | ScaredyCat | you know when you're trying to figure something out.... and you can't |
| 07:56.36 | ScaredyCat | and you wake up in the morning and just fix the problem you were having... |
| 07:56.40 | Xenius | I'm in Russia |
| 07:56.46 | ScaredyCat | I just did it... it's great when that happens |
| 07:57.10 | ScaredyCat | aren't they more resrtictive in Russia - re: hardware ? |
| 07:57.14 | ScaredyCat | restrictive |
| 07:57.25 | ScaredyCat | iicr somone had problems importing a neo |
| 07:57.27 | ScaredyCat | iirc |
| 07:57.47 | ScaredyCat | into Russia ...I think they needed some extra documentation or somehting |
| 07:57.59 | ScaredyCat | tries tofind a reference to it... |
| 07:58.06 | ScaredyCat | and a new keyboard |
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| 08:08.37 | edistar | ScaredyCat: what did you figure out this morning? |
| 08:11.16 | ScaredyCat | it was why my RDEPENDS wasn't working and why bitbake couldn't find my app even though it was there.. in plain sighs |
| 08:11.20 | ScaredyCat | sight |
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| 08:26.02 | shaz | Got this: http://pastebin.com/d5fe02d14 error while doing make openmoko-devel-iamge |
| 08:26.24 | shaz | should I be doing make update before this step |
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| 08:46.47 | ScaredyCat | that doesn't look right at all shaz |
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| 08:47.41 | ScaredyCat | are you sure you've got the package lists and your env setup right |
| 08:48.07 | ScaredyCat | line 4 points to your problem |
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| 08:57.21 | shaz | line 4, let me see (sorry for the delay, nature's call) |
| 08:58.04 | shaz | How should i check the package list and environment |
| 08:58.55 | shaz | scaredyCat: what should i do now |
| 09:00.36 | ScaredyCat | You could try a make update ... |
| 09:00.50 | ScaredyCat | it should do the mtn stuff too... |
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| 09:03.18 | shaz | ok |
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| 09:49.15 | mbuf | when in suspended mode with battery, how long does the FreeRunners' battery last? |
| 09:50.01 | edistar | mbuf: afaik roughly 60h |
| 09:50.19 | mbuf | edistar, ok |
| 09:53.09 | mbuf | edistar, with the battery inside, can the device be in switched off mode, or does it continue to be in suspended mode? |
| 09:53.34 | MarcOChapeau | Morning |
| 09:53.35 | edistar | mbuf: it can be switched off, so that it won't use any current |
| 09:53.42 | mbuf | edistar, ok |
| 09:53.45 | mbuf | edistar, thanks |
| 09:53.53 | MarcOChapeau | does anyone know anything about a potential manual fix for the LED power issue ? |
| 09:54.10 | edistar | mbuf: 'halt' :) it's like a standard linux box, only smaller :P |
| 09:54.28 | MarcOChapeau | I'm *quite* pissed off by the mail I saw this morning considering I booked my phone 4-5 days ago... |
| 09:54.47 | mbuf | edistar, but, "in-flight" mode == halt? |
| 09:55.07 | lu_zero | MarcOChapeau what happened? |
| 09:55.11 | mbuf | MarcOChapeau, booked your phone? they are not on sale yet |
| 09:55.24 | MarcOChapeau | mbuf: there preorders are open |
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| 09:55.41 | mbuf | MarcOChapeau, ohh! where? |
| 09:55.45 | edistar | mbuf: when you fly you can also just switch off gsm |
| 09:56.00 | mbuf | edistar, ok, that is what i would expect |
| 09:56.20 | edistar | mbuf: so that you can hack the wifi AP in the plane in peace ;) |
| 09:56.23 | MarcOChapeau | lu_zero: the first batch of GTA02 will be GT02v5 boards, and they found an annoying power issue on some LEDs |
| 09:56.50 | mbuf | edistar, not sure, how many air hostesses understand that :) |
| 09:57.09 | mbuf | MarcOChapeau, yes, saw that e-mail |
| 09:57.12 | MarcOChapeau | lu_zero: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.thirdparty/2031 |
| 09:58.30 | MarcOChapeau | I mean, wasn't everyone singing "we don't care about software, give us stable hardware" 2 days ago ? |
| 09:58.55 | MarcOChapeau | and there we are. I might as well just cancel and wait another 12 month |
| 09:59.10 | edistar | mbuf: there are phones that can switch off gsm already.. so they should know that |
| 09:59.19 | mbuf | ok |
| 09:59.38 | MarcOChapeau | details here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo_FreeRunner_GTA02_Hardware#GTA02v5 |
| 10:00.21 | cb22 | i'm really not sure everyone gets the problem |
| 10:00.25 | edistar | I once sat in a plane with 2 people around me playing with their phones.. I was quite alarmed (you never know what might happen, must be a reason why gsm must be turned off) till one of them told me that he could switch off gsm |
| 10:00.39 | cb22 | all it means is that the leds will simply draw more power when on |
| 10:00.43 | edistar | he was an IT professor from bukarest btw :P |
| 10:00.57 | cb22 | its not as if a constant 125mw will e sapped from the battery |
| 10:01.32 | edistar | cb22: but it is noticeable if you led blinks every 2 seconds for 2 h because you received an sms |
| 10:01.38 | MarcOChapeau | cb22: I know. but still... |
| 10:02.00 | cb22 | edistar: what voltage do the leds run at? 3v? |
| 10:02.36 | edistar | cb22: no idea |
| 10:02.50 | MarcOChapeau | I really don't care about not getting the stable software. I'm able to handle that... I can't handle the hardware. and I want those leds to "just work" |
| 10:03.05 | edistar | MarcOChapeau: they do work :) just are a little wasteful |
| 10:03.10 | mbuf | but when are GTA02v6 ready for sale? |
| 10:03.20 | cb22 | indeed |
| 10:04.21 | MarcOChapeau | edistar: yeah I know... my point is, I would've liked to know that I would get a v5 board before booking one on trisoft |
| 10:06.18 | edistar | MarcOChapeau: TRIsoft will inform us |
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| 10:29.38 | ScaredyCat | MarcOChapeau: well, isn't that your fault for ordering something that's not yet available... |
| 10:29.48 | ScaredyCat | talk to trisoft and cancel your order.. |
| 10:29.58 | ScaredyCat | that would seem the most logical thing to do |
| 10:30.23 | ScaredyCat | then at least people who don;t care would be able to get a device |
| 10:30.26 | MarcOChapeau | ScaredyCat: hmm, well I'll admit that |
| 10:31.47 | ScaredyCat | what I will agree to is that it's odd that there is a gta2v6 in the first place... |
| 10:32.04 | ScaredyCat | if there's a v6 why would a v5 ship ? |
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| 10:32.24 | ScaredyCat | I guess it might be that they spotted the issue late.. |
| 10:32.25 | MarcOChapeau | ScaredyCat: yes, this is probably a better question to ask |
| 10:32.35 | MarcOChapeau | right |
| 10:33.08 | edistar | ScaredyCat: I think they already started mass-producing and noticed the bug later |
| 10:33.34 | AVee | ScaredyCat: Probably because the assembly line is set up to produce the v5, the testing was done on the v5 and switching to v6 would cause another month or so of delay. |
| 10:33.37 | MarcOChapeau | edistar: You think they already mass produce ? |
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| 10:34.08 | ScaredyCat | well, I'm not sure that you mass produce before all your PVT tests etc are done, do you? |
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| 10:34.35 | edistar | MarcOChapeau: I have heard(no idea if its true) that OM has already produced 1000 gta02v5s |
| 10:34.39 | MarcOChapeau | ScaredyCat: yeah, sounds surprising. |
| 10:34.53 | edistar | otherwise there would be no point in selling v5s |
| 10:35.08 | MarcOChapeau | edistar: I thought there were only a few for PVT |
| 10:35.12 | AVee | 1000 pieces is not mass production... |
| 10:35.13 | ScaredyCat | I'll take them all off thier hands for 20gbp |
| 10:35.14 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 10:35.22 | ScaredyCat | s/thier/their/ |
| 10:35.38 | edistar | hehe |
| 10:39.20 | ScaredyCat | seriously though... just increase the delay between flashes by 3 x |
| 10:39.41 | ScaredyCat | so if a v6 flashes once every 2 seconds, make it 6 on a v5 :) |
| 10:40.03 | AVee | Yeah, or just turn off the leds alltogether. |
| 10:41.00 | ScaredyCat | or, only flash them when the accelerometer indicates that the device has been picked up |
| 10:41.02 | AVee | won't miss 'm that much. Not enough to wait yet another month anyway :) |
| 10:41.43 | ScaredyCat | I agree that it should be out in the open.. but I don;t agree that it's a massive issue.. |
| 10:42.30 | ScaredyCat | as I've said, if you don;t want a v5, simply step aside and let someone who doesn't care have a device first. Then get your v6 later... |
| 10:42.50 | AVee | True, the openness is the important here, after that everybody is free to make their own decision. |
| 10:43.03 | ScaredyCat | if there are only 1000 v5's ( edistar's guess at #) then you wont have to wait long |
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| 10:43.35 | ScaredyCat | I'd predict that 1000's 02's would sell in < 1 day |
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| 10:55.14 | shaz | I tried make update after this: http://pastebin.com/d5fe02d14 failure and now I get this after doing make update: http://pastebin.com/d22a2d2e6 |
| 10:55.53 | shaz | its saying already upto date |
| 10:56.15 | shaz | and that svn cleanup is required |
| 10:56.32 | shaz | I don't know why this build process is so messy |
| 10:56.41 | ScaredyCat | look at hte last few lines |
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| 10:56.55 | ScaredyCat | it's not messy... |
| 10:57.16 | ScaredyCat | do the svn cleanup. |
| 10:57.27 | shaz | just type in svn cleanup? |
| 10:57.31 | ScaredyCat | also note that at the top it does the mtn stuff |
| 10:57.54 | ScaredyCat | so it's not just updating openmoko sources ... it's also updating packges etc |
| 10:58.12 | shaz | so... |
| 10:58.20 | ScaredyCat | you should have an openmoko dir in ${OMDIR} |
| 10:58.31 | shaz | yes I have it |
| 10:58.31 | ScaredyCat | go in there and do the cleanup |
| 10:58.36 | shaz | ok |
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| 10:59.03 | ScaredyCat | then go back to omdir and try your make update again |
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| 10:59.27 | thos | mickeyl, why isn't python (+ pygtk) in openmoko-devel-image? |
| 10:59.27 | shaz | I typed "svn cleanup" but it says its not a working directory |
| 11:00.19 | ScaredyCat | in trunk ? |
| 11:00.35 | shaz | on $OMDIR/openmoko |
| 11:00.38 | ScaredyCat | sorry, ${OMDIR}/openmoko/trunk |
| 11:00.44 | shaz | ok |
| 11:01.44 | ScaredyCat | if that errors you have an issue with your checkout |
| 11:02.11 | ScaredyCat | did your initial setuupwork ok? |
| 11:02.24 | mickeyl | thos: because it's misnamed. It should be openmoko-debug-image |
| 11:02.31 | mickeyl | the image you want to build is openmoko-python-devel-image |
| 11:03.02 | ScaredyCat | there's a copy on my bh thos :) |
| 11:03.26 | ScaredyCat | mickeyl: although, it's not complete.. |
| 11:03.53 | ScaredyCat | some of the examples require python libs that aren't installed. |
| 11:05.35 | thos | mickeyl, my point was it'd be nice to have python in the "developer" image |
| 11:05.43 | thos | mickeyl, not as a seperate thing |
| 11:06.21 | thos | mickeyl, then I can give people a small hack or whatever and won't have to explain how to install all the python deps |
| 11:06.58 | thos | well, I presume there isn't much space on gta01 for it |
| 11:07.05 | thos | but for gta02 it would be nie |
| 11:07.07 | thos | nice |
| 11:07.14 | ScaredyCat | if you like python |
| 11:07.40 | thos | ScaredyCat, I think it makes sense from a developer platform point of view |
| 11:07.41 | ScaredyCat | you should also install gcc |
| 11:07.43 | mickeyl | thos: well, yes. i can clarify that in org.oe.dev |
| 11:07.47 | ScaredyCat | and lua |
| 11:07.49 | mickeyl | i'm not working on om branch though |
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| 11:07.51 | mjr | 'course, installing all the python deps shouldn't be very difficult... |
| 11:07.53 | ScaredyCat | and lisp |
| 11:07.59 | ScaredyCat | etc |
| 11:08.00 | thos | ScaredyCat, don't be silly |
| 11:08.07 | ScaredyCat | why python |
| 11:08.10 | thos | why not? |
| 11:08.17 | mjr | python is nice and popular |
| 11:08.19 | ScaredyCat | ok, why not gcc too |
| 11:08.22 | mjr | a rare combination |
| 11:08.26 | thos | because that's silly |
| 11:08.40 | mjr | indeed, that's just a silly comparison |
| 11:08.44 | thos | i'm suggesting including a scripting language on the developer image |
| 11:08.48 | ScaredyCat | you shouldn;t be picking stuff like that to go on htere, you should be providing a iki page on how to |
| 11:08.49 | thos | gcc is not a scripting language |
| 11:08.58 | ScaredyCat | wiki |
| 11:09.14 | thos | I suppose you suggest we should include nothing by defeault then? |
| 11:09.23 | thos | no libs, just a busybox shell |
| 11:09.29 | ScaredyCat | no, I'm suggesting you provide a wiki page |
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| 11:09.56 | thos | i'm suggesting it would be nicer to choose a scripting language that we can support |
| 11:10.10 | thos | i'm not saying you can't use some other language too |
| 11:10.18 | thos | but you uhave to make decisions |
| 11:10.22 | mickeyl | well, alea acta est already |
| 11:10.40 | mickeyl | the choice is really only among python and ruby |
| 11:10.41 | ScaredyCat | by putting python on there you're essentially saying that python is the supported language. |
| 11:10.42 | mjr | incidentally is happy enough that python is easily installable |
| 11:10.44 | mickeyl | since all others lack in bindings |
| 11:11.01 | thos | ScaredyCat, what's wrong with that? |
| 11:11.05 | mickeyl | with python having a maturity advantage that counts |
| 11:11.05 | thos | mickeyl, I vote for python! |
| 11:11.15 | ScaredyCat | so you'll need to support it... and of course, anything else you'll give the response 'Install python' |
| 11:11.25 | thos | ScaredyCat, that's lame |
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| 11:11.50 | ScaredyCat | it certainly doesn't fit well on an 01... |
| 11:11.58 | ScaredyCat | sure there's more space on an 02.. |
| 11:12.02 | thos | well I already said that |
| 11:12.06 | shazkhan | I got this after runing svn cleanup and the whole output is http://pastebin.com/d32f99134 |
| 11:12.12 | thos | ScaredyCat, you can always ommit it from your images :-) |
| 11:12.20 | shazkhan | sory, scaredycat: got dc |
| 11:13.27 | ScaredyCat | shazkhan: get rid of the patch, rerun cleanup then svn up |
| 11:13.30 | thos | mickeyl, I did my X vs cairo profiling with a python/pygtk app |
| 11:13.44 | shazkhan | in trunk? |
| 11:13.59 | mickeyl | thos: with the ohand profiling tool? |
| 11:14.14 | thos | mickeyl, er, no I wrote it from scratch |
| 11:14.31 | thos | mickeyl, the thing that just drew 300 circles and timed it |
| 11:15.43 | ScaredyCat | shazkhan: yes.. |
| 11:16.00 | ScaredyCat | it'll get corrected after the cleanup and sv up |
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| 11:16.28 | shazkhan | src/target/kernel/patches/ does not contain the problematic patch. It has .svn |
| 11:18.16 | shazkhan | so i should run the svn up then or what? |
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| 11:20.07 | thos | mickeyl, it seems to be there is a lot of overlap between openmoko-devel and device-owners |
| 11:21.31 | shazkhan | scredyCat: is the patch somewhere else ? |
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| 11:21.49 | mickeyl | thos: yes. i think this will change soon |
| 11:22.06 | mickeyl | if not, we can shutdown |
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| 11:22.13 | mickeyl | one list |
| 11:22.18 | thos | mickeyl, there's a lot of good discussion on device-owners that should be on openmoko-devel |
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| 11:27.57 | shazkhan | scredycat you there |
| 11:29.41 | shazkhan | If I delete openmoko directory and run make setup again, will that do the job |
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| 11:34.41 | CIA-40 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r222 10/trunk/specifications/otapi/README: otapi/README: more hacking notes |
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| 11:41.27 | mickeyl | thos: are you familiar with documenting dbus xml introspection format? |
| 11:49.18 | ScaredyCat | shazkhan: sorry, was eating... |
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| 11:54.32 | Sup3rkiddo | hi y'all |
| 11:56.22 | thos | mickeyl, hm, no, sorry. |
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| 12:01.14 | ScaredyCat | rob hubbard music still rocks |
| 12:03.58 | mickeyl | tunes in crazy comets |
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| 12:05.17 | ScaredyCat | lol, just laying that now |
| 12:05.28 | ScaredyCat | s/laying/playing/ |
| 12:06.23 | ScaredyCat | the ringer surely must be able to play sid files :) |
| 12:08.51 | mickeyl | yep |
| 12:08.55 | mickeyl | 100% requirement for me |
| 12:08.59 | mickeyl | +a |
| 12:08.59 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 12:09.18 | mickeyl | i mean who else has that? |
| 12:09.24 | mickeyl | thousands of ring tones |
| 12:09.28 | mickeyl | in less than 8MB or what |
| 12:09.46 | mickeyl | and not just random junk |
| 12:09.49 | mickeyl | but _cool_ ring tones |
| 12:10.10 | mickeyl | also .mod and .xm, although these are larger |
| 12:11.09 | ScaredyCat | we're going to need a bigger boat |
| 12:11.15 | ScaredyCat | s/boat/sd card/ |
| 12:11.28 | ScaredyCat | 1.2G C64Music |
| 12:12.11 | edistar | lol.. boat - sd card.. :) |
| 12:13.57 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 12:14.09 | ScaredyCat | 35345 ringtones |
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| 12:26.25 | ScaredyCat | :D |
| 12:26.27 | ScaredyCat | Packaged contents of sidplayer into /builder/newBuild/build/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/armv4t/sidplayer_4.4-r0_armv4t.ipk |
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| 12:31.05 | mickeyl | :) |
| 12:31.12 | mickeyl | phew, doc writing is annyoing |
| 12:31.19 | mickeyl | so boooooooring |
| 12:32.52 | ScaredyCat | not as bad as waiting for your neo to charge because you left it on over night and its battery went completely flat |
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| 12:34.55 | CIA-40 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r224 10/trunk/specifications/otapi/ (2 files): otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device|SIM: docs++ |
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| 12:40.11 | mickeyl | 07.07 question... TE/ME does not store an incoming SMS automatically on SIM? |
| 12:40.21 | mickeyl | sorry, TA/ME even |
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| 12:43.52 | pH5 | mickeyl: that's 07.05 question ;) |
| 12:44.08 | pH5 | afair it depends on the storage selected with +CPMS |
| 12:44.23 | mickeyl | ah, that's why i don't find it in 07.07 |
| 12:45.08 | mickeyl | *printing* |
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| 13:54.44 | cesarb | error: short SHA1 4194 is ambiguous. |
| 13:54.44 | cesarb | fatal: Not a valid object name 4194 |
| 13:54.48 | cesarb | great... |
| 13:55.18 | cesarb | I *so* hoped the build-errors-every-second-build times were past |
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| 13:58.43 | cesarb | ...great, so the build is using git but sane-srcrevs thinks it's using svn! |
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| 14:46.10 | saurabh1403 | hello everyone |
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| 15:06.18 | CIA-40 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r226 10/trunk/software/pyneod/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 15:06.19 | CIA-40 | freesmartphone.org: various fixes |
| 15:06.19 | CIA-40 | freesmartphone.org: changed sms notification to the kind that the neo supports |
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| 15:25.26 | d3vice | hi all |
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| 15:26.56 | edistar | d3vice: hi |
| 15:27.12 | d3vice | hi edistar |
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| 16:13.55 | Donson_ | Does anyone have a solution to the git.kernel.tar file not found on the openmoko.downloads site? |
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| 16:22.21 | ScaredyCat | Donson_: it should try and check it out |
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| 16:22.56 | ScaredyCat | have a look in your sources dir for the version it was looking for, there may be a .lock file still there... |
| 16:23.10 | Sup3rkiddo | it does take a long time |
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| 16:23.18 | Sup3rkiddo | gives the impression its getting barfed |
| 16:23.28 | ScaredyCat | if there's a lock file it will assume that the tarball is there... and if it's not actually there... it'll biatch |
| 16:23.41 | Sup3rkiddo | sigh 550 out of 5445 |
| 16:24.15 | edistar | Sup3rkiddo: what are you building? |
| 16:24.33 | ScaredyCat | a small village |
| 16:24.37 | Sup3rkiddo | edistar, glibc-intermediate just finished |
| 16:24.41 | Sup3rkiddo | bleh to ScaredyCat |
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| 16:24.52 | edistar | ScaredyCat: you mean NL? |
| 16:25.08 | Donson_ | There's a .lock file there |
| 16:25.13 | Donson_ | Do I just remove the .lock? |
| 16:25.18 | ScaredyCat | that would be a 'pit of dispair' edistar |
| 16:25.20 | ScaredyCat | Donson_: yes |
| 16:25.34 | ScaredyCat | is there a tar.gz ? |
| 16:25.45 | ScaredyCat | usually you just end p with the .lock |
| 16:25.46 | Donson_ | yeah tar.gz.lock |
| 16:26.00 | ScaredyCat | ok, but that's the lock file.. |
| 16:26.26 | edistar | ScaredyCat: you don't like NL? join the club ;) |
| 16:26.30 | ScaredyCat | just delete the lock file and try again |
| 16:26.50 | Sup3rkiddo | what is NL |
| 16:26.51 | ScaredyCat | edistar: at the moment it's a depressing place :( |
| 16:27.09 | ScaredyCat | Sup3rkiddo: .nl - The Netherlands |
| 16:27.14 | edistar | ScaredyCat: ok, my dad thinks so too.. typically english attitude.. |
| 16:27.15 | Sup3rkiddo | oh ok |
| 16:27.34 | ScaredyCat | aye... edistar |
| 16:28.04 | edistar | ScaredyCat: well, you'll survive! |
| 16:28.16 | ScaredyCat | .. or take them all with me ;) |
| 16:28.32 | edistar | :D |
| 16:29.41 | Kero | it's gray weather in .nl today; so what? ;) |
| 16:30.21 | edistar | Kero: you dutch don't understand ;) |
| 16:31.22 | Kero | of course not; we're used to whatever .nl is ;) |
| 16:32.00 | edistar | and I don't mind .nl that much, it's just that .uk is nicer :D |
| 16:32.13 | Kero | lived in NY state for four months, until recently |
| 16:33.22 | ScaredyCat | the only way to live in ny is on expenses :) |
| 16:33.34 | Kero | makes me value some things of .nl and wish some things were different :) |
| 16:33.46 | Kero | ScaredyCat: the dollar is soooo cheap :) |
| 16:34.15 | ScaredyCat | yah but those restaurants in manhattan aren't :) |
| 16:35.14 | Kero | depends on the restaurant. wouldn't call the majority expensive, at all. |
| 16:35.45 | edistar | if you're used to 'eten uit de muur' ;0 |
| 16:35.48 | edistar | ;) |
| 16:35.51 | Donson_ | This might be a dumb questions, but do I need mokomakefile to build the new version, 2007.2? |
| 16:35.57 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 16:36.02 | Kero | :) |
| 16:36.12 | ScaredyCat | excellent retort edistar :D |
| 16:36.25 | edistar | Donson_: no, you can also build it with openembedded |
| 16:36.39 | edistar | Donson_: but the mokomakefile is easier if you want to build for gta01 |
| 16:36.39 | Kero | visited McDonalds exactly 0 times in NY |
| 16:36.42 | ScaredyCat | Donson_: you don;t need it, it makes it a little easier if you don;t know what ur doing |
| 16:37.00 | zedstar | hangs out in Queens when he goes to NYC |
| 16:37.05 | ScaredyCat | edistar clearly types faster |
| 16:37.08 | Donson_ | haha thanks, I don't really knwo what im doing |
| 16:37.19 | Donson_ | but mokomakefile wont build either :/ |
| 16:37.25 | zedstar | not by choice but her in doors is from Queens |
| 16:37.31 | Donson_ | which one do you think i'd have a better chance of getting? |
| 16:37.32 | ScaredyCat | zedstar: ... not the place theough, and that's different |
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| 16:37.56 | ScaredyCat | Donson_: post errors to pastebin |
| 16:38.05 | edistar | Donson_: mokomakefile |
| 16:38.40 | zedstar | i do like Manhattan though |
| 16:38.43 | Donson_ | thanks, the mission continues! |
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| 16:39.30 | Donson_ | Come to Chicago, we have better summers! |
| 16:39.36 | ScaredyCat | and wind |
| 16:39.41 | Donson_ | its the best1 |
| 16:39.47 | zedstar | yeh the lakes |
| 16:39.52 | zedstar | would be nice |
| 16:42.03 | Donson_ | as soon as its above 60 degrees the girls flock to the lake |
| 16:42.27 | Donson_ | but it gets too crowded and they spill over everywhere its the best |
| 16:42.31 | Sup3rkiddo | heh..summers |
| 16:42.33 | edistar | Donson_: better if the flock to you.. |
| 16:42.44 | edistar | *they |
| 16:43.14 | Kero | ppl flock to the Dutch coast, too ;) |
| 16:43.24 | zedstar | and the coast in England |
| 16:44.05 | edistar | Kero: :P |
| 16:44.22 | edistar | zandvoort.. |
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| 16:45.55 | Kero | prefers less crowded areas. say, hiking in the mountains ;) |
| 16:46.06 | ScaredyCat | or the beach in winter :) |
| 16:48.06 | Donson_ | http://www.pastebin.ca/989697 |
| 16:48.30 | Donson_ | As I said before, I'm really quite clueless and this error has been nagging me all night |
| 16:49.09 | zedstar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.47 | Donson_ | lol |
| 16:50.10 | edistar | ah, line 23 |
| 16:50.17 | edistar | seems that that is the problem |
| 16:50.45 | ScaredyCat | didn't cesarb mention this earlier |
| 16:50.45 | Donson_ | do you know what i means? |
| 16:51.11 | ScaredyCat | [2008-04-19 14:52:46] <cesarb> error: short SHA1 4194 is ambiguous. |
| 16:51.11 | ScaredyCat | [2008-04-19 14:52:47] <cesarb> fatal: Not a valid object name 4194 |
| 16:51.11 | ScaredyCat | [2008-04-19 14:52:50] <cesarb> great... |
| 16:51.11 | ScaredyCat | [2008-04-19 14:53:20] <cesarb> I *so* hoped the build-errors-every-second-build times were past |
| 16:51.21 | ScaredyCat | [2008-04-19 14:56:45] <cesarb> ...great, so the build is using git but sane-srcrevs thinks it's using svn! |
| 16:51.39 | edistar | no solution yet? |
| 16:53.01 | edistar | the switch to git was only a few days ago, wasn't it? |
| 16:53.59 | Donson_ | how do i clear up the git/svn confusion? |
| 16:54.15 | edistar | Donson_: rewrite the mokomakefile |
| 16:55.21 | Donson_ | woah.. |
| 16:55.47 | ScaredyCat | although I've built it today without issues |
| 16:56.05 | edistar | I building right now without issues, but with OE, not mokomakefile |
| 16:56.22 | ScaredyCat | Donson_: are you doing an update first? |
| 16:56.27 | ScaredyCat | make update |
| 16:56.28 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 16:56.30 | Donson_ | yeah |
| 16:57.38 | edistar | who is responsible for mokomakefile? |
| 16:58.49 | ScaredyCat | rwhitby |
| 16:59.16 | edistar | and he isn't online.. |
| 16:59.23 | edistar | I suppose |
| 16:59.28 | ScaredyCat | he's in Oz |
| 16:59.50 | edistar | ah, ok |
| 16:59.53 | edistar | :P |
| 17:00.05 | ScaredyCat | it's probably very late or very early |
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| 17:01.04 | CVirus | I want my Freerunner now ... or else ... |
| 17:01.07 | CVirus | I'll start headbanging |
| 17:01.19 | edistar | CVirus: go ahead :P |
| 17:01.28 | CVirus | starts headbanging |
| 17:01.53 | CVirus | pushes edistar into a mosh pit |
| 17:03.40 | Donson_ | www.myspace.com/dragonforce |
| 17:03.56 | Donson_ | (creates a nice image) |
| 17:04.45 | spydon | We should create some kind of bet of when it will be released :P |
| 17:06.27 | edistar | spydon: the freerunner? |
| 17:06.33 | ScaredyCat | places 1000 usd on 'sometime' |
| 17:06.34 | spydon | yeah |
| 17:06.37 | edistar | says 10 may |
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| 17:16.02 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: I "fixed" it by changing sane-srcrevs to use AUTOREV for the relevant package (linux-openmoko) |
| 17:16.27 | ScaredyCat | :D |
| 17:16.33 | ScaredyCat | there you go Donson_ |
| 17:16.40 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: it's a "fresh" mokomakefile install (with the new mokomakefile from the projects site), so I'd expect it to "just work"... |
| 17:17.12 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: I'd suppose the buildhost is using AUTOREV for everything or something like that, so it didn't hit the issue |
| 17:17.12 | ScaredyCat | yeah, but the change is fairly recent... |
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| 17:18.52 | ScaredyCat | http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/19/samsung-skips-the-touchscreen-patents-gesture-based-phone-inter/ |
| 17:19.01 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: I nuked my months-old build tree yesterday and started from scratch (after waiting HOURS while monotone downloaded the tree one kilobyte per second), fully expecting the stable tree to be... stable |
| 17:19.39 | Donson_ | ScaredyCat: thanks for your help! but what did you do exactly? |
| 17:19.58 | ScaredyCat | Donson_: cesarb did it not me :D |
| 17:20.15 | ScaredyCat | cesarb: :/ |
| 17:20.46 | Donson_ | I'm still lost on what changed |
| 17:21.05 | cesarb | Donson_: I edited the sane-srcrevs.inc file (which is where the bogus revision is) to use "${AUTOREV |
| 17:21.06 | cesarb | oops |
| 17:21.17 | cesarb | Donson_: I edited the sane-srcrevs.inc file (which is where the bogus revision is) to use "${AUTOREV}" instead of the wrong version for that package |
| 17:21.46 | cesarb | Donson_: probably will cause merge conflicts on a update later on, but I want to have it working so I can play with cpufreq more this holiday |
| 17:22.31 | cesarb | Donson_: the correct way probably would be to use mokomakefile's patching mechanism, but it was very late in the night and I didn't have the patience |
| 17:23.00 | cesarb | Donson_: and if I get a conflict I can simply nuke the OE tree and ask mokomakefile to create it again |
| 17:23.08 | cesarb | (that makefile is really useful!) |
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| 17:26.52 | Donson_ | cesarb: thank you. I think I did what you suggested |
| 17:26.59 | Donson_ | I hope this works1 |
| 17:28.17 | Donson_ | I replaced the linux-openmoko ?="4194" to ="{AUTOREV} |
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| 17:36.47 | cesarb | Donson_: if it worked, it should start downloading the correct file from downloads.openmoko.org, and then go ahead instead of stopping with an error |
| 17:36.56 | cesarb | Donson_: if it is downloading the file, you know the trick worked |
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| 17:41.00 | m3 | Hi! I happen to have a GTA02v3 which I'd like to boot from SD... the thing is the person who gave it to me didn't have a debug board; is it possible to flash u-boot from userspace? |
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| 17:45.26 | cesarb | m3: I thought it was possible to flash uboot from itself (with dfu-util). But do you really need to flash uboot to have boot from SD? (I've not been following the GTA02 uboot discussions) |
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| 17:48.11 | m3 | cesarb: it's a wild guess actually, I can't get the bootloader to show up on the screen or get a serial connection over USB to the bootloader. |
| 17:49.18 | m3 | my understanding from the instructions in the wiki is that I take the battery out, unplug USB, wait 30 seconds, plug USB back in, press and hold AUX, press POWER for 4 seconds and that should display the u-boot menu on-screen... |
| 17:49.30 | SpeedEvil | I think GTA02 differs |
| 17:49.46 | SpeedEvil | it's got a boot ROM |
| 17:50.01 | SpeedEvil | I don't know what's in there |
| 17:50.19 | balrog-kun | plus there are u-boots in NAND and in NOR iirc |
| 17:50.31 | m3 | yup, that's right |
| 17:50.39 | balrog-kun | the one in NAND is probably flashed same way as GTA01 |
| 17:50.45 | cesarb | m3: the magic keypress sequence is different between GTA01 and GTA02, and I don't know the correct one for GTA02 |
| 17:51.16 | balrog-kun | the fullest instructions should be in the README files in werner's dfu-util directory in svn |
| 17:51.20 | balrog-kun | i think |
| 17:51.28 | m3 | let me search for that... |
| 17:51.41 | cesarb | m3: and, to make things even more confusing, there are two different copies of u-boot, with slightly different key sequences, and the key sequences changes depending on which version of u-boot you have |
| 17:52.02 | cesarb | m3: it's no wonder they are pushing for a very small bootloader plus kexec ;-) |
| 17:53.27 | m3 | which is part of the reason why I was thinking about flashing u-boot, because I'm not even sure which version I have here... |
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| 17:58.34 | SpeedEvil | strings /dev/mwhatever should tell you |
| 17:59.26 | cworth | thos: X vs. cairo? What does that mean? |
| 17:59.34 | cesarb | GTA01 is sooo simpler... If AUX is pressed on boot, it's uboot, else it's normal boot |
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| 18:02.54 | SpeedEvil | well - there are only so many ways to hold 2 buttons on boot |
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| 18:06.20 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: I recall reading on the mailing lists something like "hold power, wait for the backlight to flash, then hold aux" or something even more complicated |
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| 19:12.28 | broedje | edistar: is the angstrom minimal om image not an OM Image? |
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| 19:13.19 | broedje | or what did you mean by OM image....hm seems i got to search the wiki for "download" |
| 19:13.31 | broedje | :) |
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| 19:28.06 | tom1502 | hi all |
| 19:28.39 | tom1502 | is there anyone willing and able to help me getting openmoko running on my HTC magician? |
| 19:28.56 | tom1502 | i did the following: http://linuxtogo.org/~htcpxa/htcmagician/index.html |
| 19:29.29 | CVirus | tom1502: #HTC-Linux might be a bit more helpful |
| 19:29.47 | tom1502 | CVirus, thank you! |
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| 19:30.06 | CVirus | no problem |
| 19:30.47 | tom1502 | can anyone tell me if the freeRunners touchscreen is like the one from the iphone (don know if capacitive is the right translation), so that only light touching is necessary?! |
| 19:32.53 | mjr | no |
| 19:33.02 | tom1502 | no?! |
| 19:33.11 | tom1502 | unfortunately :'( |
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| 19:42.11 | SpeedEvil | It's resistive |
| 19:42.19 | SpeedEvil | and needs maybe 1g to activate |
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| 19:47.39 | tom1502 | SpeedEvil, do you know HTS Herald f.e.? likely to that touchscreen? |
| 19:52.48 | Vegar | 1g as in 1 gram? |
| 19:53.04 | tom1502 | i guess so... |
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| 20:08.21 | SpeedEvil | no, and yes |
| 20:08.43 | SpeedEvil | I could measure it I suppose. |
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| 20:37.36 | edistar | broedje: no, angstrom is different.. it uses gnome UI afaik |
| 20:37.46 | edistar | broedje: OM has written its own UI |
| 20:40.35 | cesarb | After months with a very old image, I install a new one, and... the new keyboard is much better than the old one, but how do I get a slash? |
| 20:41.03 | cesarb | (a tab for tab-completion would also be very nice) |
| 20:44.50 | crunsher_ | yes i also think tab-completion is a nice feature |
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| 20:52.55 | cesarb | seriously, I need a slash (for cd /sys/.../cpu0/cpufreq/...), but I could fake it if I had tab completion! |
| 20:53.22 | cesarb | (and I can't use USB, since cpufreq locks up the USB device block for some reason) |
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| 21:22.25 | cesarb | hm, rwhitby isn't idling? |
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| 21:22.50 | cesarb | Now that I have a patch to mokomakefile (http://www.pastebin.ca/989933) for him |
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| 21:28.53 | ahven | and to those who haven't still found happiness... |
| 21:28.54 | ahven | http://eatliver.com/i.php?n=2996 |
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| 22:07.02 | Daveman | whee time to rebuild |
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| 23:07.38 | cesarb | XorA|gone: rwhitby told me by email I should direct this to you: the path to dfu-util has changed and mokomakefile needs to be updated to follow the change, I have a patch at http://www.pastebin.ca/989933 |
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| 23:22.15 | Racksor | hey all |
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| 23:26.10 | Racksor | ..... |
| 23:26.17 | Racksor | hello crib |
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| 23:35.15 | Racksor | ...... |
| 23:35.34 | edistar | Racksor: hi |
| 23:35.41 | edistar | bored? |
| 23:39.43 | Racksor | yea |
| 23:39.46 | Racksor | got nothin |
| 23:39.53 | Racksor | any idea when the PVT will finish? |
| 23:40.43 | edistar | Racksor: I guess end of april |
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| 23:41.50 | Racksor | hopefully, right after that we'll be able to buy the device? |
| 23:41.55 | Racksor | or will there be more tests :p |
| 23:42.06 | edistar | no, that'll be the last tests afaik |
| 23:42.12 | Racksor | great |
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| 23:42.24 | Racksor | u getting one? |
| 23:42.31 | edistar | definitely, yes |
| 23:43.54 | mjr | ahh, so there, that let off some steam |
| 23:44.22 | Racksor | :) |
| 23:44.49 | edistar | anyone here got experience with nokia770 and OE? |
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