| 00:03.49 | balrog-kun | (but i have a neo) |
| 00:10.33 | freebzh_jabber | balrog-kun : there is not freerunner 2 |
| 00:10.53 | freebzh_jabber | because the first one isn't out yet |
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| 00:32.34 | CVirus | 2 as in too |
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| 00:50.39 | Donson_ | Does anyone have a good resource for building MokoMakeFile errors? |
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| 01:29.52 | *** topic/#openmoko is Welcome to the Openmoko support and discussion channel! The Freerunner phone (with wifi) will be released at some time. | Official status: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | Want 3G in the successor? http://blog.automated.it | chickens do not use motif |
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| 02:19.05 | rtm | Does Openmoko use XFree86 for its X11 system? |
| 02:19.48 | summatusmentis | I think it's a shrunk down x server |
| 02:20.16 | raster | xorg - kdrive build |
| 02:20.49 | rtm | Thanks. |
| 02:21.19 | raster | does it much matter though? :) |
| 02:21.23 | raster | we use X11 |
| 02:21.39 | raster | thats pretty much standard across many os's and architectures |
| 02:21.42 | summatusmentis | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:21.45 | raster | makes it easy to write apps for OM |
| 02:21.52 | summatusmentis | it's not xorg* |
| 02:22.03 | raster | kdrive is xorg |
| 02:22.04 | raster | its in the xorg tree |
| 02:22.21 | raster | it builds from the same src tree as the xorg modular server |
| 02:22.30 | raster | difference is kdrive has a different acel arch (kaa) |
| 02:22.41 | raster | and builds the driver monolithically into the same binary as the xserver |
| 02:22.51 | raster | it tends to be smaller and leaner too with no cfg file |
| 02:23.23 | rtm | Here's my real problem. I'm trying to use my neo as an X server for remote clients, and it frequently fails due to missing fonts. I'm trying to figure out where I can get the full font set, and where I should put a softlink to the microSD card so that the fonts will be found. |
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| 02:25.04 | raster | aaaah |
| 02:25.15 | raster | xset fp ... |
| 02:25.17 | raster | man xset |
| 02:25.23 | raster | :) |
| 02:25.37 | rtm | raster: Thanks! |
| 02:25.54 | raster | (you can add directories to the font path or remove them etc. with xset) |
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| 06:10.53 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r214 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (18 files in 2 dirs): |
| 06:10.53 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Added stubs to libfreesmartphone for the rest of the interfaces |
| 06:10.53 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Signal handlers are now freed in libfreesmartphone |
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| 06:33.29 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r215 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (10 files in 2 dirs): Export also direct generated glib bindings of fso APIs for those who wish to use them |
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| 06:40.21 | LKCm | hello |
| 06:41.14 | LKCm | i just heard about freerunner does anybody know what type of mobile internet it has? 3g or edge |
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| 06:45.25 | pyknite | edge |
| 06:45.28 | pyknite | no 3g |
| 06:45.46 | LKCm | hmm ok |
| 06:45.47 | pyknite | there is a poll for 3g in freerunner sucessor |
| 06:47.22 | LKCm | righto |
| 06:48.14 | LKCm | looks like a may have to wait for the freerunner sucessor as there is no good edge network in australia only 3g |
| 06:49.11 | LKCm | i must say i like the look of freerunner and its price |
| 06:49.19 | pyknite | it's not sur, it's not an official poll |
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| 06:49.44 | LKCm | is there any company backing open moko? |
| 06:51.17 | pyknite | backing? |
| 06:52.06 | LKCm | giving money/ that ownes openmoko |
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| 06:53.06 | pyknite | ahh... no idea |
| 06:54.22 | trickie_ | OpenMoko Inc. |
| 06:54.54 | LKCm | righto |
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| 07:25.44 | jitu3485 | where can i get the latest source of gsmd2 |
| 07:26.37 | jitu3485 | i am having this one gsmd-snapshot-2007-11-23-for-design-discussion.tar.gz |
| 07:28.09 | jitu3485 | spyre:where can i get the latest source of gsmd2 |
| 07:28.18 | jitu3485 | spyre:i am having this one gsmd-snapshot-2007-11-23-for-design-discussion.tar.gz |
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| 07:31.33 | spyre | jitu3485: http://www.freesmartphone.org/mediawiki/index.php/Implementations/GSMD2 |
| 07:32.05 | spyre | jitu3485: GSMD2 is in freesmartphone's svn repository, there are instructions how to checkout the project from svn |
| 07:32.17 | spyre | the snapshot you are referring is old and badly outdated |
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| 07:40.52 | ScaredyCat | svn://projects.linuxtogo.org/svn/smartphones |
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| 08:08.33 | jitu3485 | spyre: how to do anonymous checkout of svn code , following instructions on http://www.freesmartphone.org/mediawiki/index.php/Implementations/GSMD2to checkout code says tht following URL doesn't exist |
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| 08:12.13 | mjbroek | jitu3485, there is a slash missing in the svn url after 'trunk' |
| 08:12.18 | mjbroek | use svn://projects.linuxtogo.org/svn/smartphones/trunk/software/gsmd2/ |
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| 08:13.19 | jitu3485 | mjbroek thx |
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| 08:14.48 | jitu3485 | mjbroek its working |
| 08:14.58 | hepaajan | mjbroek: thanks, fixed the missing slash :) |
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| 10:54.15 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4375 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/moko-gtk-engine/ (ChangeLog data/gtk-2.0/gtkrc): |
| 10:54.15 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 2008-04-18 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com> |
| 10:54.15 | CIA-41 | openmoko: * data/gtk-2.0/gtkrc: Make labels on inactive tabs slightly darker |
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| 10:55.03 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 03john_lee * r4376 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-gps/src/openmoko-panel-gps.c: |
| 10:55.03 | CIA-41 | openmoko: change openmoko-panel-gps to notification only |
| 10:55.03 | CIA-41 | openmoko: according to |
| 10:55.03 | CIA-41 | openmoko: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-April/002506.html |
| 10:55.16 | zedstar | anyone happen to be familiar with glib error stuff got a question? |
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| 11:06.06 | robtaylor | zedstar: fire away |
| 11:07.28 | zedstar | in g_set_error i dont really get the point of Quarks....i mean i could just use a enum instead....how is it usually used? |
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| 11:16.31 | robtaylor | zedstar: well, you register a quark for your error domain. The reason this isn't an enum is to allow different modules and applications to register error domains without clashing |
| 11:16.45 | robtaylor | (a quark is just a way to map a string to an int) |
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| 11:17.31 | robtaylor | zedstar: if you look at the top of the GError documentation in devhelp, there's an example of the standard way to create an error domain |
| 11:19.24 | robtaylor | zedstar: the domain is not the error, its more a scoping for the error. for example take a look at the G_FILE_ERROR documentation |
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| 11:21.17 | zedstar | robtaylor thanks......from what ive just read it seems enumeration is ok if u know before hand how many labels u have but with quarks u can add at run time also |
| 11:21.44 | zedstar | robtaylor so could have an enum for the domain the enum for the errors within the domain or just use quarks i guess |
| 11:23.50 | zedstar | robtaylor i should probably use quarks...thanks for the info |
| 11:25.13 | robtaylor | zedstar: no, you're confusing the domain with the error |
| 11:25.41 | robtaylor | zedstar: the domain is the scope of the error code |
| 11:25.55 | zedstar | robtaylor the domain just categorises or groups errors right? |
| 11:26.07 | robtaylor | zedstar: yep, but its a dynamic value |
| 11:26.43 | robtaylor | zedstar: consider dlopening a glib based library that registers an error domain |
| 11:27.03 | zedstar | robtaylor yeh this is the key the dynamic aspect |
| 11:27.20 | robtaylor | basically G_FILE_ERROR (the domain) is a int thats caclulated at runtime. there's no sane way to use anything other than a quark for the error domain |
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| 11:27.38 | robtaylor | your error code should be defined with an enum |
| 11:27.40 | zedstar | robtaylor yeh i didnt think of runtime |
| 11:28.36 | zedstar | robtaylor thanks i got it now.....quark for domain and enum for error codes |
| 11:28.45 | robtaylor | zedstar: cool :) |
| 11:29.08 | zedstar | robtaylor cheers |
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| 11:35.05 | shaz | when can we get freerunner? |
| 11:35.23 | Basheri | at some time |
| 11:36.23 | shaz | :) any idea what that time will be? any estimated gossip |
| 11:37.07 | thos | second tuesday next week |
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| 11:37.32 | CVirus | huh ? |
| 11:37.47 | CVirus | How many Tuesdays are there per week ? |
| 11:38.26 | Basheri | It depends.. If you count the hidden tuesdays - 5 |
| 11:40.29 | shaz | ? |
| 11:40.51 | Basheri | no idea |
| 11:41.01 | shaz | :) |
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| 11:44.17 | kam1kaze | wtf |
| 11:44.27 | kam1kaze | where is a release ? |
| 11:44.42 | kam1kaze | of GTA02... I just want to get'n'use it |
| 11:44.43 | kam1kaze | ;/ |
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| 11:58.36 | SpeedEvil | Not yet. |
| 11:58.47 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r216 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/libfreesmartphone/ (17 files): Implemented pdp,phonebook,sim,network and device interfaces to libfreesmartphone. |
| 12:01.13 | kam1kaze | ;/ |
| 12:01.34 | CM | ScaredyCat: Done that history meme thing yet? :) |
| 12:01.53 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 12:01.57 | CM | noticed hrw's yesterday |
| 12:02.30 | CM | I mean: history | awk '{a[$2]++}END{for(i in a){print a[i] " " i}}' | sort -rn | head |
| 12:02.41 | ScaredyCat | ok |
| 12:02.42 | CM | Didn't work for me in zsh though. |
| 12:03.05 | CM | ScaredyCat: http://informationhunger.blogspot.com/2008/04/history-in-zsh.html :D |
| 12:03.35 | ScaredyCat | do I have to remove all the pr0n references manally ;) |
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| 12:04.32 | CM | Hehe... All those calls to ascii-pr0n.sh? |
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| 12:05.16 | ScaredyCat | :P |
| 12:05.25 | ScaredyCat | well I ran it, but it seems to miss some |
| 12:05.59 | CM | Yeah, history didn't work at all for me, hence the ugly cat | cut thing |
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| 12:13.28 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r217 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (8 files in 4 dirs): |
| 12:13.28 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Added partial support for configuration file |
| 12:13.28 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Added service file (not tested) |
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| 12:22.40 | shaz | My build system got restarted during mtn update while mokomakefile build by make setup. Now what do i need to do. run the make setup again? |
| 12:24.17 | ScaredyCat | done and published CM |
| 12:24.23 | ScaredyCat | 799 votes now btw |
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| 12:24.57 | CM | Cool :) |
| 12:25.12 | CM | thinks about sneaking a 2:nd vote to even out the numbers |
| 12:26.11 | ScaredyCat | ! |
| 12:26.18 | ScaredyCat | slaps CM |
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| 12:26.34 | ScaredyCat | there are actually 800 - but apparently the admin one doesn;t count :( |
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| 12:27.36 | Sup3rkiddo | butta bing..hi all |
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| 12:45.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1356 has been created by fr-om(AT)tourde.org |
| 12:45.03 | cdbot2 | * * Error building x86 version of openmoko-devel-image: package libid3tag_0.15.1b.bb |
| 12:45.05 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1356 |
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| 12:53.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1357 has been created by cm(AT)acc.umu.se |
| 12:53.02 | cdbot2 | * * cacao-initial_0.98.bb breaks openmoko-feed |
| 12:53.04 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1357 |
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| 12:54.16 | bagpuss_thecat | o_O |
| 12:54.22 | bagpuss_thecat | no 3G in FreeRunner? |
| 12:55.00 | CM | bagpuss_thecat: Nope |
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| 12:56.19 | bagpuss_thecat | well, that sucks |
| 12:56.26 | bagpuss_thecat | removes his name from the purchase list |
| 12:56.48 | Mononoke | well bye o/ |
| 12:56.52 | CM | bagpuss_thecat: http://blog.automated.it/2008/04/07/is-3g-an-important-feature/ |
| 12:57.05 | bagpuss_thecat | yeah, I've just voted on it |
| 12:57.12 | CM | :) 800! |
| 12:57.26 | bagpuss_thecat | I'd dearly love to buy a FreeRunner, but 3G is critical |
| 12:57.57 | Basheri | CM: "Total Voters: 801" :O |
| 12:58.01 | crunsher | 801 |
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| 12:58.18 | CM | Bah! Who ruined that perfectly fine number... |
| 12:58.26 | CM | Now we need 99 more votes ;) |
| 12:58.28 | bagpuss_thecat | can 3G be provided as a software update, or does it require additonal hardware too? |
| 12:58.39 | CM | bagpuss_thecat: The right hardware is needed |
| 12:58.40 | bagpuss_thecat | given that as of 2005 3G was supposed to cover 80% of the EU population |
| 12:59.44 | SpeedEvil | Hardware - and several sorts of hardware to cover the world. |
| 12:59.55 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4377 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/moko-gtk-engine/ (ChangeLog data/gtk-2.0/gtkrc src/moko-draw.c): |
| 12:59.55 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 2008-04-18 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com> |
| 12:59.55 | CIA-41 | openmoko: * data/gtk-2.0/gtkrc: Fix padding and add a border to menus |
| 13:00.14 | SpeedEvil | Versus 1 sort to cover maybe 80%(?) of the worlds mobile 2G coverage |
| 13:01.46 | bagpuss_thecat | true |
| 13:01.52 | bagpuss_thecat | imho features sell phones though |
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| 13:03.20 | ScaredyCat | :o |
| 13:03.22 | ScaredyCat | shhh |
| 13:03.32 | bagpuss_thecat | hehe |
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| 13:05.39 | bagpuss_thecat | I'm curious... what's the target audience of the FreeRunner? |
| 13:05.53 | CVirus | nerds |
| 13:05.58 | CVirus | :-p |
| 13:06.02 | bagpuss_thecat | :-) |
| 13:06.12 | SpeedEvil | Strippers! |
| 13:06.25 | Sup3rkiddo | ooo |
| 13:06.25 | CVirus | lol |
| 13:06.31 | Sup3rkiddo | mmm,,,Strippers |
| 13:06.40 | bagpuss_thecat | fnarr, strippers |
| 13:06.41 | summatusmentis | good morning all |
| 13:06.46 | ScaredyCat | bagpuss_thecat: can you get a tiny usb 3g modem ? |
| 13:07.04 | bagpuss_thecat | yeah, I have about 5 in my drawer here |
| 13:07.13 | bagpuss_thecat | size of a memory stick |
| 13:07.15 | summatusmentis | ScaredyCat: that's an interesting idea |
| 13:07.19 | ScaredyCat | the freerunner can act as a host |
| 13:07.24 | ScaredyCat | usb host |
| 13:07.48 | ScaredyCat | you could make a little backpack |
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| 13:07.52 | bagpuss_thecat | could do |
| 13:07.54 | SpeedEvil | ScaredyCat: there are two sorts |
| 13:08.00 | bagpuss_thecat | would also require another phone contract and sim |
| 13:08.26 | ScaredyCat | bagpuss_thecat: hijack the gsmd to use the 3g modem for both |
| 13:08.26 | SpeedEvil | ScaredyCat: either a little thinner and smaller than the neo - the Haweu E200 and a little smaller - the same shape. |
| 13:08.39 | SpeedEvil | ScaredyCat: or there are ones about 25*80*20mm |
| 13:08.43 | SpeedEvil | ScaredyCat: which cost more |
| 13:08.49 | ScaredyCat | hrmm |
| 13:08.56 | ScaredyCat | how much of them is just packaging |
| 13:09.16 | ScaredyCat | to make you feel like you paid for something |
| 13:09.21 | SpeedEvil | No, you can't jam it inside the neo :) |
| 13:09.27 | ScaredyCat | :( |
| 13:09.41 | summatusmentis | how much room is in the neo case? |
| 13:09.46 | SpeedEvil | Seriously, you can slim them down some, but not much |
| 13:09.52 | SpeedEvil | suma: very little large volumes |
| 13:10.09 | SpeedEvil | summatusmentis: some small bitty space - you're not fitting a 3G modem in there. |
| 13:10.35 | summatusmentis | SpeedEvil: mm, I'm not that skilled, I was just curious |
| 13:10.36 | ScaredyCat | get rid of the ohle for the lanyard |
| 13:10.39 | ScaredyCat | hole |
| 13:11.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1358 has been created by thomas(AT)openedhand.com |
| 13:11.03 | cdbot2 | * * Investigate using notifcation-daemon implementation from mb-panel-2 |
| 13:11.05 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1358 |
| 13:11.26 | summatusmentis | ScaredyCat: that's what the hole is for? Who's gonna wear their phone around their neck? |
| 13:11.37 | bagpuss_thecat | sniggers |
| 13:11.40 | ScaredyCat | fashion designers |
| 13:11.42 | ScaredyCat | ;) |
| 13:11.49 | bagpuss_thecat | and Dutch |
| 13:11.52 | bagpuss_thecat | :-) |
| 13:11.53 | SpeedEvil | ScaredyCat: it doesn't really help that much - you need free space for the antenna. |
| 13:12.02 | SpeedEvil | ScaredyCat: or it doesn't work properly. |
| 13:12.34 | ScaredyCat | i don;t mind a sticky up nubbin |
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| 13:13.12 | bagpuss_thecat | so, so far the target audience is... 'nerds' |
| 13:13.27 | bagpuss_thecat | \o/ |
| 13:13.39 | SpeedEvil | For the initial release, yes. |
| 13:15.01 | bagpuss_thecat | actually, the wiki states that it's aimed at general consumer use, along with developers etc |
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| 13:15.10 | summatusmentis | fits squarely into that category |
| 13:15.43 | SpeedEvil | That was whatg was hoped. |
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| 13:16.25 | summatusmentis | arguably still is, but not for another two years :-/ |
| 13:17.22 | bagpuss_thecat | SpeedEvil: 'was hoped'... what happened to the hopes? |
| 13:17.55 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, y0 |
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| 13:18.55 | balrog-kun | fits into the "etc" |
| 13:19.12 | summatusmentis | hi Sup3rkiddo |
| 13:19.51 | Sup3rkiddo | is fat. so doesnt fit anywhere |
| 13:20.25 | summatusmentis | aww... :-/ |
| 13:20.49 | thos | mickeyl, do you think it would be ok to use cairo for drawing radio buttons? |
| 13:20.54 | thos | mickeyl, X arc code sucks |
| 13:21.46 | mickeyl | thos: i see no problem in that |
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| 13:22.01 | thos | mickeyl, cool |
| 13:22.11 | thos | mickeyl, it's not like we use a lot of radio buttons anyway :-) |
| 13:22.24 | mickeyl | right. but someone may want to |
| 13:22.39 | summatusmentis | someone should get raster's keyboard working, and post screenshots |
| 13:22.43 | summatusmentis | wants to see t |
| 13:22.45 | summatusmentis | it* |
| 13:23.04 | thos | mickeyl, ScaredyCat was asking me to increase the default font size |
| 13:23.09 | thos | mickeyl, what's your opinion? |
| 13:23.24 | mickeyl | even moreÃ> |
| 13:23.26 | mickeyl | ? |
| 13:23.29 | mickeyl | hmm |
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| 13:24.03 | mickeyl | i'm afraid we need to scroll more and more in real-world-applications then |
| 13:24.10 | ScaredyCat | I was just saying that the combo/dropdown is too small |
| 13:24.14 | mickeyl | well |
| 13:24.16 | mickeyl | the combo box is a nightmare |
| 13:24.19 | mickeyl | it needs to die anyways |
| 13:24.27 | ScaredyCat | mmm ... |
| 13:24.34 | mickeyl | it's the first widget i would shoot to death in Gtk+ if i could |
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| 13:24.57 | mickeyl | i had a patch that makes it behave more like a menu |
| 13:25.02 | mickeyl | but that one got lost :/ |
| 13:25.12 | ScaredyCat | points at scap |
| 13:25.15 | thos | mickeyl, here's a comparison: http://folks.o-hand.com/thomas/x-arc-vs-cairo-arc.png |
| 13:25.32 | thos | oh, the title is the wrong way round |
| 13:25.32 | thos | hehe |
| 13:25.36 | thos | cairo is on the left |
| 13:25.39 | summatusmentis | thos: the ones on the left are prettier |
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| 13:25.51 | thos | summatusmentis, right, those are drawn using cairo |
| 13:25.58 | thos | summatusmentis, the ones on the right are X arcs |
| 13:26.02 | summatusmentis | <3 cairo :-D |
| 13:26.03 | ScaredyCat | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/4d3a9bd3e690e954db0bb366c7ffb442.png is what I have it set to in my theme |
| 13:26.15 | ScaredyCat | it works well for fat fingers |
| 13:26.28 | thos | mickeyl, http://folks.o-hand.com/thomas/cairo-arc-vs-x-arc.png |
| 13:26.30 | Sup3rkiddo | tholin, me got a 404 |
| 13:26.31 | thos | i renamed it :-D |
| 13:26.33 | summatusmentis | the combo box is the menu bar drop down thing right? |
| 13:26.51 | Sup3rkiddo | thos, bleh to you |
| 13:27.08 | mickeyl | thos: oh, beautiful antialiased. i wonder whether we see a difference on 285dpi though ;) |
| 13:27.08 | Sup3rkiddo | the left looks sexy |
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| 13:27.27 | ScaredyCat | how much time is lost to that render? |
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| 13:27.40 | summatusmentis | stupid closing the window |
| 13:27.44 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: hello , and can you show me, where to find the dbus-api spec for the Ringer on freesmartphone.org |
| 13:27.48 | robster | mickeyl: part of the problem the XDrawArc is that concentric arcs are broken. |
| 13:27.48 | thos | mickeyl, well, the X arcs aren't even the correct shape .... |
| 13:28.00 | thos | and like robster says |
| 13:28.36 | robster | thos: can we land this into sato, *wink*, ;-) |
| 13:29.00 | thos | robster, there is already cairo *or* gdk renderer in sato |
| 13:29.07 | CVirus | I don't think I'll be using X on the phone that much |
| 13:29.07 | thos | robster, but yeah, you can't mix the two right now |
| 13:29.24 | CVirus | if everything works from comman line |
| 13:29.27 | CVirus | i hope though |
| 13:29.37 | robster | thos: hey, btw ;-) |
| 13:29.44 | robster | thos: got my train fine |
| 13:29.45 | thos | robster, hola, how is summorset |
| 13:29.51 | mickeyl | robster: i see. hmm... does cairo draw directly on X surfaces? |
| 13:30.05 | thos | mickeyl, of course |
| 13:30.11 | robster | thos: alright. had my dentist appointment, talk 3 minutes, cost £16.40... |
| 13:30.39 | robster | s/talk/took/ ;-) it's hard to talk ;-) |
| 13:30.45 | robster | mickeyl: sure thing. |
| 13:30.47 | thos | mickeyl, cairo can draw on lots of things, it has switchable backends |
| 13:31.08 | summatusmentis | robster: I was gonna say, they charged you 16.40 for 3 minutes of conversation? |
| 13:31.16 | thos | mickeyl, which means you can do the same operations on (e.g.) pdf as on screen |
| 13:31.57 | robster | summatusmentis: oh, but that was cheap. NHS, if I had to pay privately it would have been 4 times as much. |
| 13:32.00 | mickeyl | `pwgen`: if with Ringer you mean the audio part, that's a part of eventd which is not there yet. Have been concentrating on telephony so far. If you actually mean taking a call, check out the freesmartphone.org svn, it's there in XML files |
| 13:32.19 | mickeyl | `pwgen`: i'm working on autogen-docs for the specs to put in the wiki as we speak. |
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| 13:32.33 | summatusmentis | ugh... I hate browser based irc clients |
| 13:33.15 | mickeyl | thos: right, i remember vaguely from reading a header file. good stuff. |
| 13:33.53 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: ic have written some for my moko and managed playin sounds with gstreamer , so i want to write a new dbus-ringer |
| 13:34.01 | `pwgen` | s/ic/i/ |
| 13:36.12 | mickeyl | `pwgen`: ah, that's pretty cool. lets do the following: a) join smartphones-standards@linuxtogo.org, b) let me come up with a rough API proposal over the weekend, and c) lets talk more (using the mailing list) early next week. plan? |
| 13:36.27 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: did you get my email? |
| 13:36.49 | `pwgen` | sounds good |
| 13:37.03 | mickeyl | summatusmentis: yes. will reply as soon as GSoC publishes the results. |
| 13:37.18 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: that's fine, just wanted to make sure it got through |
| 13:37.19 | summatusmentis | no rush |
| 13:39.13 | `pwgen` | hmm got "SHA4194 is ambigous" error on fetching linux-openmoko_2.6.24+git.bb do_fetch ? |
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| 13:41.06 | summatusmentis | wow... all the cool kids from OM are on facebook |
| 13:41.23 | summatusmentis | or, some of them |
| 13:42.23 | CVirus | yeah .. I remember I joined one of those OM groups |
| 13:42.24 | stefan_schmidt | summatusmentis: I'm not. :) |
| 13:43.06 | summatusmentis | stefan_schmidt: touche :0 |
| 13:43.09 | summatusmentis | :)** |
| 13:43.21 | Sup3rkiddo | stefan_schmidt, howdy, should i be there in #duplicate-resolutions today... |
| 13:43.25 | summatusmentis | Sean M-P is |
| 13:43.43 | mickeyl | well |
| 13:43.48 | mickeyl | it's more an american thing, isn't it? |
| 13:44.03 | stefan_schmidt | summatusmentis: He is web 2.0, I'm not. :) |
| 13:44.07 | stefan_schmidt | Sup3rkiddo: hmm |
| 13:44.13 | mickeyl | only on xing and linkedin -- and this is enough, i don't need more social networks |
| 13:44.15 | summatusmentis | I think it's more a college student thing than anything else, but it might be pretty american |
| 13:44.16 | Sup3rkiddo | rounded corners FTW |
| 13:44.24 | CVirus | lol |
| 13:44.28 | CVirus | web 2.0 is soo yesterday |
| 13:44.34 | CVirus | web 3.0 is out there |
| 13:44.36 | stefan_schmidt | Sup3rkiddo: Good question. We have no more conflicts. The question is what will come when others change... |
| 13:44.38 | mickeyl | actually i have a pretty good social network in my neighbourhood ;) |
| 13:44.41 | zedstar | u cant get laid on linkedin tho ;) |
| 13:44.44 | mickeyl | hahah |
| 13:44.47 | Sup3rkiddo | orkut is pretty much _the_ in thing |
| 13:44.54 | mickeyl | i'm married, these times are over :/ |
| 13:44.55 | stefan_schmidt | mickeyl: hey, also outside your hood :) |
| 13:45.00 | mickeyl | stefan_schmidt: righto! |
| 13:45.13 | Sup3rkiddo | stefan_schmidt, oh!....ok....so i guess i will be there |
| 13:45.27 | stefan_schmidt | Sup3rkiddo: When was it again? |
| 13:45.27 | zedstar | dont worry about that mickeyl create a fake profile like everyone else ;) |
| 13:45.36 | mickeyl | hahah |
| 13:45.43 | stefan_schmidt | needs to adjust flat cleaning accordingly |
| 13:45.50 | Sup3rkiddo | stefan_schmidt, 11.00-1300 PDT |
| 13:45.58 | mickeyl | orkut... been there since 2003 and almost forgot about it |
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| 13:46.05 | summatusmentis | Sup3rkiddo: I wasn't sure if students were supposed to be there. I was under the impression that it was for mentors |
| 13:46.12 | CVirus | Guys .. How much will the shipping cost from OM.com inside the USA ? |
| 13:46.23 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, oh!.... |
| 13:46.40 | summatusmentis | Sup3rkiddo: don't quote me on that though |
| 13:46.53 | Sup3rkiddo | muhahah |
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| 13:47.18 | Sup3rkiddo | is it too early now to reveal the number of slots OM got? |
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| 13:50.17 | Sup3rkiddo | too early then :P |
| 13:50.27 | Sup3rkiddo | ~lart for taking too much sugar |
| 13:50.27 | apt | hits for taking too much sugar with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
| 13:50.31 | Sup3rkiddo | fail |
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| 13:51.48 | summatusmentis | I keep browsing to planet.OM hoping there will be more news, and then I'm always disappointed |
| 13:52.02 | summatusmentis | :) |
| 13:52.37 | Sup3rkiddo | dang.i always forget about the planet |
| 13:53.43 | stefan_schmidt | Well, instead of browsing there is RSS. Even /me as not web 2.0 guy knows about this |
| 13:54.34 | Sup3rkiddo | i got it as a bookmark some time back, but its nicely hidden in my firefox |
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| 13:55.02 | summatusmentis | stefan_schmidt: I don't like that much RSS, I use Google as my RSS reader |
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| 13:57.12 | borza | does anyone know how many slots has OpenMoko received for GSoC? |
| 13:57.52 | stefan_schmidt | borza: More then expected. :) We will write a mail after the final IRC meeting. |
| 13:57.53 | ScaredyCat | 10 was the rumour |
| 13:58.02 | ScaredyCat | hides |
| 13:58.04 | stefan_schmidt | ScaredyCat: pssst ;) |
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| 13:58.08 | Sup3rkiddo | rumour has it, 20 |
| 13:58.13 | stefan_schmidt | nah |
| 13:58.17 | Ganneff | next its 30? :) |
| 13:58.20 | summatusmentis | I heard 700 |
| 13:58.23 | ScaredyCat | 483493823 was the rumour |
| 13:58.23 | Sup3rkiddo | well it is a _rumour_ |
| 13:58.34 | Ganneff | MAX_INT-1 |
| 13:58.41 | Sup3rkiddo | Googol |
| 13:58.49 | Sup3rkiddo | ha |
| 13:58.54 | summatusmentis | Ganneff: if that's the case, google screwed up their algorithm |
| 13:58.59 | Sup3rkiddo | 42 |
| 13:59.00 | Sup3rkiddo | :D |
| 13:59.09 | Ganneff | summatusmentis: why? do you want MAX_INT+1? |
| 13:59.10 | Sup3rkiddo | i wonder which org got 42 |
| 13:59.25 | summatusmentis | Ganneff: no, that'd be worse :-D |
| 13:59.25 | Sup3rkiddo | they'd get the bragging rights |
| 13:59.53 | Ganneff | summatusmentis: but its MAX_INT *PLUS* 1. sure that must be more than MAX_INT *minus* one. |
| 13:59.54 | Ganneff | :) |
| 14:00.10 | Sup3rkiddo | MAX_INT + MAX_INT |
| 14:00.11 | summatusmentis | Ganneff: well, right, that's a given |
| 14:00.58 | Sup3rkiddo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:54.59 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r218 10/trunk/software/pyneod/ (13 files in 2 dirs): |
| 14:54.59 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: new design ready for beta testing |
| 14:54.59 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: sms list, read, delete works |
| 14:54.59 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: unsol. messages / request-response communication on different muxer-channel |
| 14:54.59 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: enhanced response parser |
| 14:55.02 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: better error response on dbus |
| 14:55.08 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: complete separation to allow different apis to be imlpemented on top |
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| 15:02.29 | Tjikkun | Hi, does anybody have an idea how to fill out the groupsales page? |
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| 15:02.59 | Tjikkun | i see a lot of people having 1/10 or 2/10 behind their name |
| 15:03.23 | Tjikkun | doesn 2/10 meant you are the second one in the first batch, ordering one phone? |
| 15:03.35 | Tjikkun | or does it mean you are ordering 2 phones |
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| 15:04.08 | ScaredyCat | afaik it's the number of phones |
| 15:04.15 | ScaredyCat | from a batch of 10 |
| 15:04.41 | ScaredyCat | who knows |
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| 15:06.00 | Tjikkun | hmm.. ok i thought is was the order.. so if you are 9/10 and there are 15 orders total you get a phone, whereas when you are 14/20 you don't get one.. or something like that |
| 15:06.10 | ScaredyCat | looking at the dutch one, it looks like it's how many phones you want |
| 15:06.39 | Tjikkun | ScaredyCat: if you are right i am on the list for 4 phones, which i definatly don't want.. well do want, can't pay for |
| 15:06.55 | ScaredyCat | hehe |
| 15:09.33 | thos | mickeyl, just been doing some interesting benchmarks with cairo vs. X for drawing arcs |
| 15:09.48 | thos | mickeyl, with sync X, they're about the same for non-AA |
| 15:10.03 | thos | mickeyl, with AA enabled in cairo, it's about 25% slower, but still 150fps in my benchmark |
| 15:10.57 | thos | 141.5 fps to be precise |
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| 15:11.45 | mickeyl | hmm |
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| 15:11.47 | mickeyl | 25% |
| 15:11.58 | thos | mickeyl, X/GDK = 1.489399 |
| 15:11.59 | thos | cairo = 2.126200 |
| 15:12.03 | thos | for 300 circles |
| 15:12.21 | thos | mickeyl, but this is with calling sync after each call |
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| 15:12.35 | thos | mickeyl, to make sure the drawing actually happened |
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| 15:13.46 | thos | mickeyl, put it another way, that's 0.007 sec to draw a circle with cairo |
| 15:14.14 | thos | mickeyl, vs. 0.004 sec with X |
| 15:14.51 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 15:15.32 | thos | each radio button has a maximum of three circles, and only two if it's "off" |
| 15:15.42 | thos | so I think the difference is probably negligable ;-) |
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| 15:27.38 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4378 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/moko-gtk-engine/ (ChangeLog data/gtk-2.0/gtkrc): |
| 15:27.38 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 2008-04-18 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com> |
| 15:27.38 | CIA-41 | openmoko: * data/gtk-2.0/gtkrc: Fix notebooks so only GtkNotebook and |
| 15:27.38 | CIA-41 | openmoko: GtkNotebook.Gtklabel get styled |
| 15:28.54 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4379 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/moko-gtk-engine/ (ChangeLog src/moko-draw.c): |
| 15:28.54 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 2008-04-18 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com> |
| 15:28.55 | CIA-41 | openmoko: * src/moko-draw.c: (moko_draw_option): Use cairo for draw_option because |
| 15:28.55 | CIA-41 | openmoko: X arcs are ugly |
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| 15:34.53 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r219 10/trunk/specifications/otapi/ (3 files): |
| 15:34.53 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS|SIM: change API (sorry, but you knew it wasn't finalized ;) |
| 15:34.53 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Basically, the low level message and phonebook storage API is now a part of the |
| 15:34.53 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: org.freesmartphone.GSM.SMS. Note: there is a temporary duplication wrt. SMS and Phonebook which will |
| 15:34.56 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: be cleaned up asap |
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| 15:35.39 | d3vice | hi all |
| 15:37.16 | balrog-kun | the real gain would be if cairo could cache the option button on X side as a bitmap, probably |
| 15:37.43 | Sup3rkiddo | just wondering, how different are the benchmarks on a desktop |
| 15:37.57 | Sup3rkiddo | that wasnt a newb question..was it? |
| 15:38.26 | d3vice | can anyone point me to some doc that explains the differences between gta02v5 and v6 in no too techie speech? |
| 15:38.47 | SpeedEvil | d3: wy do you care? |
| 15:39.23 | SpeedEvil | d3: broadly - v5 had some niggles, v6 is addressing them. |
| 15:39.41 | d3vice | SpeedEvil: i'm not an electricity/tronics guy (sysadmin), i've been following some openmoko's ml but sometimes i'm lost in circuits speech... |
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| 15:40.01 | SpeedEvil | Broadly - if you're lost, you don't care about it. |
| 15:40.11 | SpeedEvil | Other than it's a delay. |
| 15:40.18 | d3vice | SpeedEvil: now come on... |
| 15:40.27 | d3vice | i'm interested |
| 15:41.04 | d3vice | i'm just not fluent in circuit boards, resistances, etc... |
| 15:41.48 | d3vice | not broadly, will the niggles be fixable though software? |
| 15:41.57 | d3vice | s/though/through |
| 15:42.08 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 15:42.17 | SpeedEvil | that's why there are hardware changes |
| 15:42.24 | d3vice | ok |
| 15:42.29 | d3vice | thank you |
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| 15:52.47 | thos | mickeyl, we could try appear-as-list for GtkComboBox |
| 15:52.56 | thos | mickeyl, so it appears as a list rather than a menu |
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| 15:53.10 | thos | mickeyl, so it looks more like windows style |
| 15:53.18 | thos | mickeyl, might solve some of the problems with it |
| 15:53.29 | mickeyl | the major problem really is the positioning |
| 15:53.39 | thos | mickeyl, yeah, this is totally different positioning method |
| 15:53.41 | mickeyl | i had a patch that removes the strange center-around-currently-selected |
| 15:53.48 | mickeyl | so it just opens a menu below |
| 15:53.53 | thos | mickeyl, it's not that strange :-P |
| 15:53.57 | thos | mickeyl, appears-as-list should do that |
| 15:54.01 | thos | i think |
| 15:54.06 | mickeyl | hmm, i think i tried that |
| 15:54.13 | mickeyl | worth another tr |
| 15:54.14 | mickeyl | y |
| 15:54.14 | thos | hm ok |
| 15:54.18 | thos | i'll take a look |
| 15:54.21 | mickeyl | thanks |
| 15:54.50 | thos | mickeyl, the idea behind "center around selected" is that it's easy to see the available options with accidenly unselecting your current selection |
| 15:54.58 | thos | mickeyl, obviously, it's difficult to do that on small screens though |
| 15:56.29 | thos | yeah |
| 15:56.38 | thos | appears-as-list basically mimics windows behavoiur |
| 15:56.52 | thos | but also alters the appearance slightly |
| 15:57.04 | thos | but we can fix that easily |
| 15:57.24 | thos | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:57.31 | thos | ScaredyCat, can you try adding this too? |
| 15:57.40 | thos | ScaredyCat, to your default style |
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| 15:59.56 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r220 10/trunk/specifications/otapi/Makefile: otapi/Makefile: properly generate xhtml docs. patch courtesy Heikki Paajanen |
| 16:00.40 | ScaredyCat | thos: scap |
| 16:00.56 | thos | ScaredyCat? |
| 16:01.07 | ScaredyCat | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ |
| 16:01.11 | thos | ScaredyCat, why? :-P |
| 16:01.16 | ScaredyCat | font will need changinh |
| 16:01.19 | ScaredyCat | size |
| 16:01.30 | thos | ScaredyCat, I don't think I can scap it anyway |
| 16:01.35 | thos | ScaredyCat, because scap will hide the menu? |
| 16:01.43 | ScaredyCat | no, look at scap |
| 16:01.59 | thos | oh |
| 16:02.01 | ScaredyCat | [2008-04-18 16:55:34] <thos> ScaredyCat, can you try adding this too? |
| 16:02.01 | ScaredyCat | [2008-04-18 16:55:42] <thos> ScaredyCat, to your default style |
| 16:02.01 | thos | yes |
| 16:02.14 | thos | oh that is odd, the font is smaller |
| 16:02.17 | thos | wonder why |
| 16:03.13 | thos | ScaredyCat, or is that something you did? |
| 16:03.23 | ScaredyCat | no I just added what you asked |
| 16:03.35 | thos | strange, the font should be the same size as everything else |
| 16:03.44 | thos | ScaredyCat, do you have font-name in your gtkrc? |
| 16:05.07 | ScaredyCat | font-name or font_name ? |
| 16:05.12 | thos | one of those |
| 16:05.14 | ScaredyCat | liberation |
| 16:05.20 | ScaredyCat | is the name |
| 16:05.24 | ScaredyCat | of the font |
| 16:05.33 | thos | hrm, I wonder if that interferes |
| 16:05.41 | thos | ScaredyCat, you can also set the size in that string |
| 16:05.46 | ScaredyCat | 8 |
| 16:05.46 | thos | e.g. "Liberation 8" |
| 16:05.50 | thos | right |
| 16:06.01 | thos | but that's not really the correct way to set the font since we have xsettings |
| 16:06.22 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r221 10/trunk/specifications/otapi/ (2 files): otapi: <doc> actually needs to be embedded in <arg> otherwise the doc gets stripped |
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| 16:10.02 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4380 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/moko-gtk-engine/ (ChangeLog data/gtk-2.0/gtkrc): |
| 16:10.02 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 2008-04-18 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com> |
| 16:10.02 | CIA-41 | openmoko: * data/gtk-2.0/gtkrc: Use appears-as-list for GtkComboBox |
| 16:10.35 | thos | ScaredyCat, do you prefer the gray combobox btw? |
| 16:10.59 | ScaredyCat | well, it softens it a bit if it is |
| 16:11.22 | thos | mickeyl, what do you think, gray combobox is better? |
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| 16:11.37 | mickeyl | screeny? |
| 16:11.56 | thos | mickeyl, see ScaredyCat's theme: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ |
| 16:12.04 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 16:12.06 | thos | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/2b693e371da81c6d152496659e8d1108.png |
| 16:12.08 | thos | that one infact |
| 16:12.09 | mickeyl | black in black is too much |
| 16:12.12 | mickeyl | i'd prefer gray |
| 16:12.18 | doc|work | morning, this led thing is a bit screwey, why are they running a production of v5 with bugs? |
| 16:12.39 | mickeyl | bbiab |
| 16:13.06 | thos | ScaredyCat, what colour is your active search button (i.e. toggle button) |
| 16:13.38 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: they aren't - v6 |
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| 16:14.05 | ScaredyCat | thos: the bg colour? |
| 16:14.09 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: it'll simply be that the LEDs are set to 20mA - which is their nominal current - but it's probably brighter than required |
| 16:14.12 | thos | yes |
| 16:14.36 | doc|work | SpeedEvil: good, someone 'in the know' might want to respond, there's a thread on the list that says they're using 150mw |
| 16:14.40 | doc|work | er, ma |
| 16:14.43 | ScaredyCat | 181818 |
| 16:14.44 | ScaredyCat | ... |
| 16:14.45 | doc|work | abandons typinh |
| 16:14.49 | doc|work | goddamn it! |
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| 16:15.41 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: 150mW / 3.3V = 45mA - a perfectly sane - though bright - current for 4 LEDs |
| 16:16.15 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: reducing the current only helps with battery life when the LEDs are on. |
| 16:16.39 | doc|work | ok |
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| 16:31.24 | ScaredyCat | Certificate information: |
| 16:31.24 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.24 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:31.26 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
| 16:32.20 | d3vice | congrats for whoever made scap.linuxtogo.org, great stuff |
| 16:36.20 | florian | d3vice: heh, i'll forward this... i have this guy around here right now :) |
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| 16:46.24 | mjr | SpeedEvil, thanks for that summary. Was just about to ask for one. :] |
| 16:46.29 | mjr | (the led stuff) |
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| 16:48.33 | ScaredyCat | there goes the portable disco idea :( |
| 16:50.21 | SpeedEvil | is contemplating putting 300W of LEDs on his UAV if it goes to production. |
| 16:50.51 | ScaredyCat | just to make UFO sighting movies.... |
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| 16:51.10 | SpeedEvil | More to make it _very_ visible as a strobe. |
| 16:51.40 | ScaredyCat | how will to peek into bedrooms with a strobe ;) |
| 16:52.14 | SpeedEvil | It's got 400W of propeller on a 1Kg device. It's not gonna be quiet. |
| 16:52.27 | ScaredyCat | "SpeedEvil goes dogging without leaving the house: Episode 1" |
| 16:52.54 | ScaredyCat | but a big zoom lens? |
| 16:52.59 | ScaredyCat | night vision |
| 16:53.06 | SpeedEvil | Naah. |
| 16:53.32 | SpeedEvil | Basically intended to take a panorama from 1-4Km |
| 16:53.53 | SpeedEvil | 100MP or so (mosaic) |
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| 17:09.27 | d3vice | florian: tell him to update it whenever he can and thanks again |
| 17:11.22 | florian | d3vice: will do so |
| 17:11.35 | florian | thinks it could need som css love :) |
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| 18:41.11 | raboof | lol @topic ('at some time.') :) |
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| 18:52.14 | spydon | Yeah I said that too raboof :P |
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| 19:47.31 | summatusmentis | anyone else having trouble pulling linux-openmoko_2.6.24+git ? |
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| 19:48.58 | quicksand | summatusmentis: so what else is new? |
| 19:49.10 | summatusmentis | quicksand: so it's not only me? |
| 19:50.05 | quicksand | I haven't tried today, but the last couple of weeks I have had trouble with OM git, OM mtn, OM svn, etc. |
| 19:50.11 | quicksand | Fairly frequently. |
| 19:51.06 | summatusmentis | :-/ lame |
| 19:51.57 | quicksand | But there is a known problem with pulling the git kernel with bitbake 1.8.10 and earlier. |
| 19:52.53 | quicksand | If you have that, upgrade to the SVN trunk head version of bitbake |
| 19:54.35 | quicksand | http://developer.berlios.de/svn/?group_id=2701 |
| 19:54.57 | summatusmentis | using MokoMakefile |
| 19:55.03 | quicksand | If you're using mokomakefile, make sure that is up to date. I don't use it, so I don't know if/how that fixes the git fetch problem. |
| 19:55.08 | summatusmentis | alright |
| 19:55.14 | summatusmentis | you just use straight bitbake? |
| 19:55.35 | quicksand | Yeah. That's how I roll. |
| 19:56.06 | summatusmentis | only for OM? or for other projects too? |
| 19:56.54 | quicksand | I used Angstrom for a while on my iPAQ PDA, so I got acquainted with it there. But I sold that PDA, so OM only now. |
| 19:57.04 | summatusmentis | mm |
| 19:57.39 | summatusmentis | I'm trying to figure out a way to sell my 3200 and buy a FreeRunner when it comes out, but I'm having a hard time gauging the current market for Zaurii |
| 19:57.59 | SpeedEvil | ebay |
| 19:58.08 | SpeedEvil | search completed items. |
| 19:58.08 | summatusmentis | there are't any used 3200's on there |
| 19:58.12 | summatusmentis | oh |
| 19:58.13 | summatusmentis | hrr |
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| 20:39.07 | Ghiottone | hi |
| 20:39.14 | summatusmentis | hi |
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| 21:15.42 | broedje | http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/unstable/autobuild/a780/ |
| 21:16.12 | broedje | what would you recommend... in my interested case? |
| 21:18.17 | broedje | openmoko-image-glibc-ipk-2007.12-r13-a780.rootfs.tar.gz this sounds good to me... no ideas here? |
| 21:19.02 | broedje | will i need some "console-image" or base image, like said on the top of the page? |
| 21:19.48 | edistar | broedje: minimal openmoko |
| 21:19.55 | broedje | or will one of those angstrom tar images be the full ... kernel |
| 21:20.15 | edistar | broedje: kernel is seperate |
| 21:21.08 | broedje | separate.... what does that mean... will e.g. this file be enough for this evening:? |
| 21:21.30 | broedje | minimal-openmoko-image-glibc-ipk-2007.12-r13-a780.rootfs.tar.gz27-Mar-2008 |
| 21:21.37 | edistar | broedje: zImage* should be the kernel |
| 21:21.48 | edistar | broedje: minimal-openmoko* should be the roofs |
| 21:21.57 | edistar | broedje: flash both and everything should be alright |
| 21:22.22 | broedje | i see... the downmost one from mar-26 |
| 21:23.24 | kdean06 | ScaredyCat, Love the little cat logo on the startup screen for the Python build. :P |
| 21:23.43 | broedje | them 2 files will do? it seems i do no copying ... as it will dual boot :-] i dont want no heartattack today... not yet |
| 21:23.59 | broedje | they use bootusb |
| 21:24.22 | ScaredyCat | :) - it's on all my builds kdean06 ... and for the scaredycat ones, yo get a meow start sound too :) |
| 21:24.31 | kdean06 | lol |
| 21:24.47 | ewon | ah jaysus, no openGL ES driver? |
| 21:24.48 | kdean06 | Last time I used your build it didn't have that. |
| 21:24.52 | ewon | ;_; |
| 21:25.06 | broedje | edistar: what do you mean by "flash" , it will reside on a sda2 ext3 partition... |
| 21:25.30 | kdean06 | ScaredyCat, So what actually is different about the python build? |
| 21:25.36 | broedje | am i wrong? or too ... scaredy? |
| 21:25.59 | ScaredyCat | kdean06: most of my builds have modded start / x screens now... |
| 21:26.03 | broedje | besides what does the word mean ... *google* |
| 21:26.16 | ScaredyCat | kdean06: it's got for edje stuff and python bits.. |
| 21:26.27 | ScaredyCat | you'll need to ssh in though |
| 21:26.35 | broedje | flash flash... 1 hour ago i wanted to sell the a780... now he tells me flash |
| 21:26.45 | broedje | *grml* |
| 21:27.08 | kdean06 | Panel applets aren't there anymore. :P |
| 21:27.16 | ScaredyCat | wherE |
| 21:27.17 | broedje | thnx |
| 21:27.18 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 21:27.25 | ScaredyCat | on my buidls#/?? kfd? |
| 21:27.31 | kdean06 | Bluetooth panel applet isn't there. GPS panel applet. |
| 21:27.39 | kdean06 | pn the phython build from you buildhost. |
| 21:27.57 | broedje | i am too exited |
| 21:28.07 | kdean06 | Errr... Sorry, BT is there. The USB one is missing. |
| 21:28.39 | kdean06 | Not that big of a deal. :) |
| 21:28.40 | ScaredyCat | oh yeah... its just a python development image... I wouldn;t want to use it as a phone .. though it might be ok |
| 21:29.24 | kdean06 | Off to the qtopia build. ;) |
| 21:29.33 | kdean06 | I can't build my own Qtopia images. ;( |
| 21:29.47 | kdean06 | Either my computer dies or the compile fails, depending on where I am. |
| 21:30.36 | edistar | broedje: yeah.. flash the kernel :) |
| 21:30.55 | edistar | broedje: via usb cable.. |
| 21:31.30 | edistar | flash=overwrite the flash memory in the phone and replace the stock kernel with the new zImage* |
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| 21:35.35 | edistar | broedje: goed luck btw :) |
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| 21:43.19 | kdean06 | mwester-laptop, You alert? |
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| 21:56.34 | kdean06 | What's the proper way to suspend a GTA01 now that the "Lock Phone" option has been removed? |
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| 21:57.25 | bmidgle1 | will freerunner be able to run wifi in master mode? |
| 21:57.48 | edistar | bmidgle1: what is master mode? |
| 21:57.50 | bmidgle1 | I have an atheros minipci that can do master, but it's flakey |
| 21:57.58 | XorA|gone | you mean Access Point? |
| 21:58.16 | bmidgle1 | yes, so it can be an AP |
| 21:58.28 | XorA|gone | I think samuel said it wasnt possible |
| 21:58.42 | bmidgle1 | argh |
| 21:58.43 | XorA|gone | but that might have been with the old firmware |
| 21:59.18 | bmidgle1 | I also have a gumstix with wifi but it also can't run as an AP |
| 21:59.23 | bmidgle1 | was hoping neo could do it |
| 21:59.25 | stefan_schmidt | XorA|gone: Not possible even with the new one. |
| 21:59.35 | stefan_schmidt | bmidgle1: sadly not |
| 21:59.46 | stefan_schmidt | Would be a cool feature :) |
| 22:00.12 | stefan_schmidt | But it depends on the firmware. And we neither have these nor can we flash it. |
| 22:00.14 | stefan_schmidt | :( |
| 22:00.22 | edistar | stefan_schmidt: won't be possible later either? |
| 22:00.47 | stefan_schmidt | edistar: As we can't flash the firmware it is not likely |
| 22:00.52 | XorA|gone | stefan_schmidt: I thought you had escaped the pit of doom :-) |
| 22:00.53 | edistar | stefan_schmidt: ok, thx |
| 22:00.58 | stefan_schmidt | edistar: Not even yet atheros gave us the tools to flash |
| 22:01.14 | bmidgle1 | I was trying to tie my network together using neo as bt access point |
| 22:01.24 | stefan_schmidt | XorA|gone: yeah, but I'm a good community member now. Helping out when I can. :) |
| 22:01.27 | bmidgle1 | but xp wouldn't show it in the list of pan providers |
| 22:01.51 | stefan_schmidt | has no idea about bt |
| 22:01.58 | XorA|gone | stefan_schmidt: ah, fancy some qtopia :-D |
| 22:02.13 | stefan_schmidt | XorA|gone: It is also a god way to avoid the math homework in front of me. :) |
| 22:02.29 | stefan_schmidt | XorA|gone: nah, help not suicide ;) |
| 22:02.34 | XorA|gone | you youngsters, in my day we didnt have open source :-) |
| 22:02.43 | bmidgle1 | bt sort of advertises its services at two levels, device class and service records |
| 22:02.52 | bmidgle1 | I think xp is looking for a different device class |
| 22:02.52 | stefan_schmidt | XorA|gone: Poor old boy :) |
| 22:03.04 | XorA|gone | just Public Domain and warez |
| 22:03.28 | stefan_schmidt | It's this the same?;) |
| 22:03.35 | stefan_schmidt | Isn't |
| 22:03.55 | XorA|gone | nah, stuff with dubious copyright and stuff that was downright nicked :-) |
| 22:04.10 | stefan_schmidt | heh |
| 22:04.32 | XorA|gone | exaggerates a bit, Im not that old |
| 22:05.18 | ScaredyCat | XorA|gone is so old, his driving license is on stone tablets |
| 22:06.44 | stefan_schmidt | ScaredyCat: No, that is normal in .uk ;) |
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| 22:06.53 | XorA|gone | doesnt have one anyway |
| 22:07.01 | stefan_schmidt | ScaredyCat: It's because they drive on the wrong side of the street |
| 22:07.18 | edistar | XorA|gone: just because it's to heavy to carry around.. |
| 22:07.25 | stefan_schmidt | XorA|gone: Wasn't you the guy withe the motorbike? |
| 22:07.26 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 22:07.28 | cb22 | stefan_schmidt: boo :( just read planet |
| 22:07.42 | stefan_schmidt | XorA|gone: ah, sorry. That was RP |
| 22:07.58 | stefan_schmidt | cb22: Well, it's life. |
| 22:08.02 | XorA|gone | stefan_schmidt: yeah, I need to afford my bike test ASAP |
| 22:08.05 | broedje | edistar : pah... i want dualboot, youre not informed *provoking* |
| 22:08.27 | edistar | broedje: lol |
| 22:08.42 | stefan_schmidt | broedje: So you read the howto for dual boot in the ezx wiki and you are settled. :) |
| 22:08.49 | edistar | broedje: good luck then |
| 22:08.50 | broedje | hm? in the forums they say ... extract |
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| 22:09.01 | stefan_schmidt | cb22: Let'S see what the future brings |
| 22:09.04 | broedje | thnx all |
| 22:09.21 | stefan_schmidt | has no idea about forums |
| 22:09.24 | edistar | stefan_schmidt: hopefully it will bring a neo ;) |
| 22:09.59 | cb22 | stefan_schmidt: yep, indeed |
| 22:10.27 | stefan_schmidt | edistar: alphaone has my last GTA02 prototyp atm. Not sure I'll get one of the MP devices. |
| 22:10.28 | broedje | roflmao... as long as i can fold it like this neat clam |
| 22:10.41 | stefan_schmidt | I should have waited with my leaving after I got new hw. ;) |
| 22:10.55 | XorA|gone | stefan_schmidt: Im sure someone will sneak you one :-) |
| 22:11.17 | stefan_schmidt | XorA|gone: Hopefully. :) |
| 22:11.34 | XorA|gone | tasks mickeyl roh and gismo |
| 22:11.42 | XorA|gone | they are the nearest I guess |
| 22:11.58 | stefan_schmidt | XorA|gone: alphaone is the nearest. |
| 22:12.05 | stefan_schmidt | XorA|gone: just 25km |
| 22:12.16 | stefan_schmidt | And I'm often at his place |
| 22:12.20 | XorA|gone | oooops, forgot him |
| 22:12.25 | XorA|gone | is a dunderhead |
| 22:12.31 | stefan_schmidt | XorA|gone: I don't tell him. ;) |
| 22:12.42 | XorA|gone | he is the scary member of OM :-) |
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| 22:31.20 | edistar | MichaelShiloh: are you there? will you take pictures of your gta02 in action? |
| 22:32.48 | broedje | so... for dummies now... with a fresh moto ezx os on it, i will need to *grml* flash zimage buddy? |
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| 22:33.25 | edistar | broedje: no idea how to do dual-boot |
| 22:33.32 | broedje | YEAH |
| 22:33.43 | broedje | free beer! |
| 22:33.47 | edistar | broedje: why don't you try OM and then if you don't like it just reinstall your ezx? |
| 22:33.47 | broedje | oooops |
| 22:33.50 | edistar | lol |
| 22:34.35 | broedje | i will.... and dont call me moto |
| 22:35.04 | broedje | well i like the hardware... besides |
| 22:35.08 | edistar | broedje: why should anyone call you moto? |
| 22:35.28 | broedje | there was this amiga500 which had the |
| 22:35.38 | broedje | SID? |
| 22:35.56 | edistar | did you drink too much beer? :P |
| 22:36.31 | broedje | it was wonderful and now i have to leave |
| 22:37.39 | broedje | care for the cidr |
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