| 00:00.36 | ewon | open? |
| 00:00.42 | ewon | why does the chipset have to be open? |
| 00:00.59 | ewon | as long as you can poke it with AT commands, does it matter all that much? |
| 00:01.04 | Psi | well, one that they are aloud to release the commands to drive it i mean |
| 00:01.46 | nibbler_de | like this: http://cryptome.org/ti-calypso1.pdf ? |
| 00:02.18 | ewon | heh, is that the leaked docs on the current gsm chipset? |
| 00:02.21 | ewon | I'd heard about that |
| 00:03.37 | Psi | what was the open doc problem that made them have to go with 2G when they made gta01-2, i forgot |
| 00:04.30 | Psi | i thought it was that no 3G chipset existed that were open enough to use |
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| 00:11.38 | summatusmentis | ## of slots for GSoC should be updated |
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| 01:28.59 | linuxxr | where is it |
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| 02:53.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1350 has been created by roh(AT)openmoko.org |
| 02:53.02 | cdbot2 | * * bt module does not enumerate |
| 02:53.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1350 |
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| 03:48.08 | yxz97 | Hi! |
| 03:48.08 | yxz97 | I would like program... |
| 03:48.09 | yxz97 | in smartphone for linux...... |
| 03:48.09 | yxz97 | openmoko works. |
| 03:48.09 | yxz97 | ?????? |
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| 03:48.10 | rtm | Have you looked at the getting started information on the Wiki page? |
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| 03:48.59 | ewon | lawl |
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| 05:01.55 | shaz | hi |
| 05:02.35 | shaz | which is the latest "stable" openmoko revision at svn.openmoko.org |
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| 06:16.38 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r199 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/libfreesmartphone/ (7 files): |
| 06:16.39 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Simplified method calls |
| 06:16.39 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Began implementing SMS interface |
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| 06:38.33 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r200 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Incoming call signal to libfreesmartphone |
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| 07:11.08 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r201 10/trunk/specifications/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.xml: |
| 07:11.08 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.xml: Clarify that ListProvider and RegisterWithProvider deal with the numerical |
| 07:11.08 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: operator code as opposed to an incrementing index counter. Thanks spyre. |
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| 07:19.19 | d3vice | is CIA-41 bot monitoring some kind of cvs/svn/git of openmoko? |
| 07:20.07 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r202 10/trunk/specifications/otapi/ (18 files): otapi: rename xml files to xml.in (prepare for adding docs and Makefile) |
| 07:20.13 | mickeyl | d3vice: yes, it is |
| 07:20.13 | d3vice | it is, bravo, great stuff |
| 07:20.29 | d3vice | ;) |
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| 07:23.42 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:26.33 | d3vice | g'morning |
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| 07:32.16 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r203 10/trunk/specifications/tools/ (. spec-strip-docs.xsl spec-to-docbook.xsl): specifications: add xslt files |
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| 07:35.51 | ScaredyCat | mickeyl: is your stuff going to be the gsmd now .. ? |
| 07:36.25 | RedDog | can this BOTs also monitor GIT commits? |
| 07:37.34 | ScaredyCat | does git have triggers? |
| 07:38.55 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r204 10/trunk/specifications/otapi/Makefile: otapi: add Makefile |
| 07:39.14 | mickeyl | someone needs to add a trigger to git.openmoko.org |
| 07:39.21 | mickeyl | then we could have this monitored here |
| 07:39.24 | mickeyl | i'll talk to the admins |
| 07:40.19 | ScaredyCat | points mickeyl up at previous question |
| 07:40.28 | RedDog | thanks mickeyl... |
| 07:41.18 | spyre | mickeyl's stuff ;) |
| 07:41.55 | methril | morning |
| 07:42.02 | mickeyl | ScaredyCat: the honest answer is... i don't know. for the next months, I'm going to push gsmd2 and pygsmd because i have lost faith in gsmd. whether om inc. accepts my recommendation is another story, since we also have qtopias stuff now |
| 07:42.25 | mickeyl | i will at least focus on something that we can use to build our own stuff upon |
| 07:42.39 | mickeyl | no matter whether the powers think it's sexy or not |
| 07:42.43 | ScaredyCat | ... but gsmd has no muxing nor does qtopia.. right? |
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| 07:42.54 | mickeyl | gsmd no muxing, right. qtopia has muxing |
| 07:43.00 | ScaredyCat | ahh ok.. |
| 07:43.01 | mickeyl | built in the blob :D |
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| 07:43.09 | ScaredyCat | so gsmd has to go then |
| 07:43.19 | mickeyl | or be adapted |
| 07:43.19 | ScaredyCat | no mux == not good |
| 07:43.32 | ScaredyCat | well, you have a mux :) |
| 07:43.55 | mickeyl | yeah! |
| 07:44.13 | ScaredyCat | I saw that Erin(?) was testing it... |
| 07:44.23 | mickeyl | really? that's cool. didn't know that |
| 07:45.35 | ScaredyCat | I keep seeing messages.. I can't remember if it's here or in mail |
| 07:46.10 | spyre | mickeyl: are you planning on making proper documents from otapi specifications? |
| 07:47.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1351 has been created by allen_lin(AT)openmoko.com |
| 07:47.02 | cdbot2 | * * Speaker function cannot be kept when stage changes |
| 07:47.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1351 |
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| 07:50.36 | mickeyl | spyre: ya. first thing is moving the <!-- into proper doc attributes, then we have a makefile with xml and html targets so we can have real documents which we link to from the wiki |
| 07:51.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1352 has been created by allen_lin(AT)openmoko.com |
| 07:51.02 | cdbot2 | * * Some noise via headset |
| 07:51.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1352 |
| 07:51.13 | spyre | mickeyl: great, let me know when/where/how to add the at commands :) |
| 07:51.27 | mickeyl | sure thing |
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| 07:58.16 | ScaredyCat | "Last thing I've heard, the first units will be GTA02v5" |
| 07:58.18 | ScaredyCat | huh? |
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| 07:59.07 | CM | ScaredyCat: Can you build the toolchain? I get loads of errors on virtual-locale-*-dev |
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| 07:59.16 | ScaredyCat | gta02v6 no |
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| 07:59.24 | ScaredyCat | CM: no. |
| 07:59.36 | ScaredyCat | it barfs on binutils |
| 07:59.40 | CM | You have binary locales disabled? |
| 07:59.43 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 08:00.04 | CM | Me too.. Hmm.. |
| 08:00.34 | jitu3485 | I am getting this error on OM2007.02. CROSS COMPILE Badness: /usr/include in INCLUDEPATH: /usr/include/libmokoui2 |
| 08:00.34 | jitu3485 | cc1: internal compiler error: in add_path, at c-incpath.c:362 |
| 08:00.34 | jitu3485 | . How to resolve this? |
| 08:01.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1353 has been created by allen_lin(AT)openmoko.com |
| 08:01.02 | cdbot2 | * * No sound after resume from suspend |
| 08:01.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1353 |
| 08:01.05 | jitu3485 | can someone help please? |
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| 08:01.55 | CM | tries a new build of om |
| 08:04.08 | ScaredyCat | mickeyl: is that correct, the first units to ship will be v5's not v6's ? |
| 08:05.27 | mickeyl | i can't comment on that. |
| 08:05.38 | mickeyl | the only guys knowing that for sure sit in the factory |
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| 08:08.38 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r205 10/trunk/specifications/otapi/ (9 files): otapi: add xslt namespace codes |
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| 08:11.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1354 has been created by allen_lin(AT)openmoko.com |
| 08:11.01 | cdbot2 | * * Cannot resume from suspend if suspend more than 30 minutes |
| 08:11.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1354 |
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| 08:48.43 | hepaajan | mickeyl: Hi, I mailed a couple of questions to freesmartphone list... |
| 08:49.04 | mickeyl | ok, cool. will respond asap |
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| 09:26.00 | kaindad | hi guys just joined openmoko |
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| 09:26.14 | kaindad | wanted to find out more about it |
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| 09:28.33 | kaindad | So its a linux based open source cellphone |
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| 09:29.57 | CM | Yes :) |
| 09:30.33 | CM | kaindad: The wiki have a lot of well written pages, please look around |
| 09:30.33 | thos | kaindad, there is a website full of information too! |
| 09:30.38 | thos | haha |
| 09:30.43 | CM | :P |
| 09:30.59 | kaindad | ok |
| 09:35.41 | methril | some embedded hw designer? I've a question about the GSM module in freerunner |
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| 09:37.55 | sreekanth | Hi all |
| 09:38.23 | methril | hi |
| 09:38.48 | methril | it's possible to use a generic DSP for the Calypso functionality (to keep the openess) |
| 09:39.55 | sreekanth | the onscreen keyboard is appearing whenever I use the text entry in Gtk on openmoko. I want to know is there any way that to disable the on screen keyboard temporarily even if the focus lies on a text entry |
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| 10:09.06 | pandian | hello |
| 10:09.51 | edistar | hi |
| 10:11.19 | thos | hola |
| 10:11.40 | pandian | how can I disable the onscreen keyboard using GTK? |
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| 10:15.43 | josch_ | killall matchbox :P |
| 10:20.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1355 has been created by reddog(AT)mastersword.de |
| 10:20.01 | cdbot2 | * * unable to enter PIN after suspend |
| 10:20.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1355 |
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| 10:22.08 | raster | in #openmoko-devel eleven |
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| 10:41.22 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r206 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (14 files in 4 dirs): |
| 10:41.22 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Added ReleasedCall signal and Accept and Release methods to libfreesmartphone call interface |
| 10:41.22 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Changed Accept methods id arguments direction |
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| 10:56.44 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4371 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/ (Makefile.am opkg.c): opkg: various white space cleanups and implement opkg_update_package_lists |
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| 11:14.27 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4372 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/tests/ (Makefile.am libopkg_test.c): opkg: add libopkg test application |
| 11:26.12 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r207 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (10 files in 2 dirs): Added more sms methods to libfreesmartphone and pyfreesmartphone. |
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| 11:57.37 | shaz | can't get bitbake to run without errors! first it was giving some tags problem and now after "mtn update" its not letting me use it as root |
| 11:57.58 | CM | You shouldn't run it as root |
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| 11:58.17 | shaz | .... but I want to |
| 11:58.44 | CM | Hmm.. Is it the makefile or bitbake that complains? |
| 11:59.00 | shaz | I am not using mokoMakefile |
| 11:59.03 | CM | Ok |
| 11:59.12 | shaz | so its bitbake |
| 11:59.14 | CM | Maybe ask in #oe then |
| 11:59.22 | CM | Why do you want to run as root? |
| 11:59.25 | CM | That's just odd :) |
| 11:59.26 | shaz | nice idea thanx |
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| 11:59.53 | CM | I suspect they'll tell you "Don't run it as root" |
| 12:00.00 | saurabh1403 | hello everyone |
| 12:00.13 | CM | Hi there |
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| 12:00.23 | shaz | Is there anything tha I can do to sanity.conf |
| 12:00.37 | shaz | hi |
| 12:01.28 | CM | finds oe almost as confusing as a certain guy on the distro-devel list ;) |
| 12:01.30 | saurabh1403 | can someone tell what is the progress of GSoC selection. How many mentors are have been assigned to open moko 2008 GSoC projects |
| 12:01.58 | CM | saurabh1403: stefan_schmidt might know something about that |
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| 12:03.39 | stefan_schmidt | CM: indeed :) |
| 12:03.46 | saurabh1403 | actually i have submitted two applications for open moko, one for gps and other for speech recognition. I am qurious to know about the projects assignment. |
| 12:03.58 | stefan_schmidt | saurabh1403: It seems we are getting ten slots. |
| 12:04.11 | stefan_schmidt | saurabh1403: We have candidates for all of them |
| 12:04.28 | stefan_schmidt | saurabh1403: Some problem with students that appliad for more then one project |
| 12:04.43 | stefan_schmidt | saurabh1403: Once it is final we will write a mail |
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| 12:05.03 | saurabh1403 | ok sir...is there any mentor interested in GPS related applications development. actually i am very interested in this idea owing to my past experience with gps interfacing |
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| 12:05.29 | stefan_schmidt | saurabh1403: We use the web form to contact you if we have questions. The decisions will come later |
| 12:05.41 | saurabh1403 | ok sir. |
| 12:05.42 | saurabh1403 | thanks |
| 12:05.52 | stefan_schmidt | saurabh1403: no problem |
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| 12:08.40 | CM | 10 slots, cool.. |
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| 12:12.01 | nezza-_- | kann hier jemand nen einhand tastaturlayout empfehlen? |
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| 12:14.29 | methril | :O i didn't understand anythinf <nezza-_-> |
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| 12:15.09 | nezza-_- | oh sorry, wrong channel |
| 12:15.18 | nezza-_- | i'm a little bit confused today ;) |
| 12:15.49 | nezza-_- | i was asking if anybody could recommend me an one-hand based keyboard layout |
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| 12:17.14 | jitu3485 | can someone give the link for source code of gsmd2 |
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| 12:20.15 | spyre | jitu3485: http://www.freesmartphone.org/mediawiki/index.php/Implementations/GSMD2 |
| 12:20.35 | jitu3485 | thanks spyre |
| 12:20.44 | spyre | np |
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| 12:27.11 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r208 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/src/ (Makefile.am modem.c modem.h modem_internal.h serial.c): Fix sms send |
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| 13:07.33 | mwester | greetings |
| 13:07.46 | saurabh1403 | hello |
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| 13:18.16 | nezza-_- | http://server.leveldown.de/~nezza/lotofmokos.jpg nice photo ;) |
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| 13:20.25 | jitu3485 | mickey : when you are updating for gsmd2 on wiki |
| 13:20.53 | Sup3rkiddo | nezza-_-, i almost read it as "lotofmofos" |
| 13:21.27 | Basheri | nezza-_-: it sure is =) |
| 13:21.32 | Sup3rkiddo | ooh, thinkpads |
| 13:21.43 | Sup3rkiddo | just loves them |
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| 13:23.05 | Sup3rkiddo | i see an orange + black at the background..looks pretty good |
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| 13:23.22 | Sup3rkiddo | yellow + black would make heads turn |
| 13:24.00 | Basheri | i was about to say the same thing. I also like that color combination |
| 13:24.15 | Basheri | (orange + black) |
| 13:24.43 | Sup3rkiddo | of course with a can of paint...anything is possible |
| 13:26.52 | Basheri | indeed |
| 13:28.28 | mbuf | picks the all-black one |
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| 13:36.37 | Stephmw | raster: know of any screenshot that showcases some of what evas can do? |
| 13:37.46 | balrog-kun | the two neos in the back, running OM lay in different time zones :) |
| 13:38.19 | Sup3rkiddo | where was the snap taken? |
| 13:41.15 | nezza-_- | Basheri: well.. the black one is a gta02 ;) |
| 13:41.24 | summatusmentis | hello all |
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| 13:44.23 | Basheri | nezza-_-: =) |
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| 13:45.32 | trickie_ | mjbroek: yo |
| 13:45.44 | mjbroek | :) |
| 13:49.33 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, y0 |
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| 13:55.22 | summatusmentis | hi Sup3rkiddo |
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| 13:57.58 | summatusmentis | is there a source browser for cvs? |
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| 14:13.47 | ScaredyCat | cvsview |
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| 14:25.43 | Sup3rkiddo | isnt that viewcvs |
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| 14:28.17 | Flinx | hai |
| 14:29.07 | ScaredyCat | they both exist |
| 14:29.22 | Flinx | damn there is no /back command |
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| 14:51.22 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4373 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/opkg.c: opkg: fix option array handling |
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| 15:02.05 | summatusmentis | spyre: how is ophoned going? |
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| 15:29.22 | rolloso | halo is anyone there? |
| 15:29.29 | rolloso | im looking for shipping channel |
| 15:29.57 | rolloso | im a SnP Italian borker and i would like to find a channe where to discuss about shipping with other brokeres |
| 15:30.23 | tomjoad | you are in the wrong channel then |
| 15:31.14 | tomjoad | this channel is for an Open Source phone distribution |
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| 15:33.26 | rolloso | can someone help me to find the channel im looking for? |
| 15:33.52 | abraxa_ | rolloso: Best bet is to send a mail to the community mailing list |
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| 15:40.07 | ScaredyCat | ir type /list and search |
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| 15:54.37 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r209 10/trunk/specifications/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.xml.in: otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call.xml.in: add ListActive and ReleaseAll |
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| 16:00.18 | spyre | summatusmentis_: I'm working on gsmd2, not ophoned :) |
| 16:00.27 | spyre | summatusmentis_: http://www.freesmartphone.org/mediawiki/index.php/Implementations/GSMD2 |
| 16:00.42 | summatusmentis_ | spyre: oh, right. I was under the impression it was gonna be the same thing |
| 16:00.44 | summatusmentis_ | nvm |
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| 16:05.05 | ScaredyCat | I just spend 10 minutes struggling to turn on bluetooth... |
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| 16:05.27 | ScaredyCat | only to frealize that I wasn't actually ssh'd into my neo.. |
| 16:05.40 | ScaredyCat | s/frealize/realize/ |
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| 16:08.41 | mwester | takes ScaredyCat's beer away from him. |
| 16:09.00 | z3cka | has anyone used amarok with their neo? |
| 16:09.30 | ScaredyCat | mwester: if only.. |
| 16:09.39 | z3cka | to transfer music/podcasts/etc? |
| 16:09.55 | ScaredyCat | nope... |
| 16:10.08 | ScaredyCat | scp mymusic phone:/media/card/music/ |
| 16:10.32 | ScaredyCat | you could use sshfs I suppose |
| 16:10.44 | z3cka | that's what i was thinking |
| 16:11.18 | ScaredyCat | well, it's easy enough to set up in amarok.. |
| 16:11.23 | mwester | z3cka: but there has been discussion on a formal, standard way to gain access to the internal storage of the neo -- via Samba, or perhaps USB Gadget, or such. |
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| 16:11.34 | z3cka | that is what my friend does with his jailbreak-ed iPhone to talk to amarok |
| 16:12.12 | z3cka | mwester: where can i partake in this disscussion? |
| 16:12.40 | mwester | Check the archives for the distro-devel list, IIRC. You'll find the links on the portal. |
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| 16:13.56 | z3cka | okay. i'm sure some ubunters out there have some neos that they would like to sync with amarok |
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| 16:48.24 | chihchunchung | hello |
| 16:49.50 | kdean06 | Does anyone know why the keypad sometimes accepts upper case letters, but sometimes doesn't? Is this a "feature" or a bug? |
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| 16:50.45 | kdean06 | Damnit, when is raster's keyboard doing to arrive? :( |
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| 16:52.26 | wurp2|away | I never ever use the multitap kbd |
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| 16:52.42 | ledzgio | hi to everybody |
| 16:53.00 | wurp2 | hi ledzgio |
| 16:53.06 | ledzgio | i have a question |
| 16:53.14 | wurp2 | likewise hi to chihchunchung |
| 16:53.25 | ledzgio | i want develope an application for openmoko but i'm a little confused |
| 16:53.39 | ledzgio | which language can i use? |
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| 16:53.51 | kdean06 | wurp2, The only time I EVER use the keypad is entering contacts and last I knew, there was a bug that would cause the matchbox keyboard to hold "Enter"... It made adding contacts impossible for me. |
| 16:54.01 | chihchunchung | hi,wurp2 and everybody |
| 16:54.18 | wurp2 | ledzgio: C/C++ or Python, primarily |
| 16:54.19 | mwester | ledzgio: Most app developers use C or Python, combined with a suitable selection of curse words in your native language. ;) |
| 16:54.40 | wurp2 | Python is easier, since it doesn't require cross-compile or setting up a compilation environment on your PC |
| 16:54.43 | ledzgio | can i use just python? |
| 16:54.53 | wurp2 | kdean06: Oh, I never enter contacts. I mostly use the kbd at the terminal |
| 16:55.07 | ledzgio | where can i find a guide to do that with python? |
| 16:55.07 | kdean06 | I've been meaning to sit down and write a checkbook balancer application in Python. :P |
| 16:55.08 | wurp2 | All of my contacts came from importing from my SIM |
| 16:55.09 | mwester | Yep, python is relatively painless and has all the bindings you usually would need. |
| 16:55.10 | roh | http://blog.thc.org/ |
| 16:55.26 | wurp2 | ledzgio: Just write a normal python gtk app, copy it to your neo, then run it |
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| 16:55.56 | wurp2 | ledzgio: Try searching for python on wiki.openmoko.org if you find yourself missing libraries |
| 16:56.02 | ledzgio | with pygtk? |
| 16:56.06 | wurp2 | or do 'opkg list | grep py' |
| 16:56.09 | wurp2 | ledzgio: yep |
| 16:56.27 | wurp2 | and install the missing python opkgs |
| 16:56.28 | ledzgio | ok...so openmoko has a python interpreter inside? |
| 16:56.30 | wurp2 | yep |
| 16:56.36 | wurp2 | very convenient |
| 16:56.49 | ledzgio | good |
| 16:56.53 | ledzgio | very good |
| 16:56.54 | wurp2 | I have a python app to pop up a gui when it detects slow charge, if you want to look at that |
| 16:57.05 | ledzgio | sure.. |
| 16:57.11 | ledzgio | where i can find it? |
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| 16:58.03 | ledzgio | so i will not have problem with libraries if i write a normal app and then copy it to my openmoko? |
| 16:58.07 | wurp2 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CheckFastCharge-script |
| 16:58.30 | wurp2 | Check your imports against the output of 'opkg list | grep py' to make sure all support is there |
| 16:58.58 | wurp2 | Otherwise you can ask around here for specific packages; some people have built python packages for OM that haven't made it into the standard repositories |
| 16:59.35 | ledzgio | ok so, if some library is not supported, i can import manually into openmoko? |
| 17:00.02 | wurp2 | If there's no binary code involved, you can just manually pull it over or build an opkg that does that |
| 17:00.27 | wurp2 | If there is binary code, you would have to set up a build env to compile the C/C++ for OM |
| 17:00.45 | wurp2 | Of course, first check in the chat room/mailing list/repositories to make sure no one already ported it |
| 17:00.46 | ledzgio | ok after i write an app i've to package it? |
| 17:00.52 | wurp2 | You don't have to |
| 17:00.55 | wurp2 | I didn't for mine |
| 17:01.03 | wurp2 | I should, though, and so should you ;-) |
| 17:01.16 | ledzgio | ok.. |
| 17:01.21 | wurp2 | You can just copy the code over and run it |
| 17:01.27 | ledzgio | is it explained on openmoko.org? |
| 17:01.44 | ledzgio | how to package.. |
| 17:02.17 | kdean06 | wurp2, You've updated the script to use opkg? |
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| 17:02.57 | kdean06 | wurp2, The tarball you link to still uses ipkg, so I've basically resorted to rescripting the cfc-install thingy. Not much. |
| 17:03.10 | ledzgio | thanks very much wurp2, last question...do you know when can i buy the freerunner phone?? |
| 17:03.22 | wurp2 | kdean06: Oops, sorry |
| 17:03.45 | wurp2 | ledzgio: No one knows for sure, but they're in the last stages of production verification testing, it looks like, with mass production being next |
| 17:04.15 | ledzgio | end of april i heard..right? |
| 17:04.22 | ledzgio | or later? |
| 17:04.38 | wurp2 | kdean06: I will try to find time this weekend to package that up properly into an opkg |
| 17:04.43 | kdean06 | ledzgio, There's no set date, but it's pretty clear it's getting close. :) |
| 17:04.56 | wurp2 | and hopefully get the source on a real rcs |
| 17:05.32 | ledzgio | ipkg has been substituted by opkg?? |
| 17:05.42 | kdean06 | They're in the process of making the manufacturing more efficient. Hardware design is finalized but they're tweaking the tools. As soon as they're satisfied with the production efficiency (and assuming there's no critical issues) they'll begin mass production. |
| 17:05.53 | kdean06 | Yes, ipkg is no longer in the default images. |
| 17:06.04 | ledzgio | ok thanks |
| 17:06.14 | wurp2 | yaknow, it seems like they could have pointed out ages ago "It will take 6 weeks or more after hardware is finalized before we can mass produce, so until you hear the hardware is finalized, the release is more than 6 weeks away" |
| 17:06.15 | ledzgio | i hope soon..i want the freerunner!!!!!! |
| 17:06.31 | kdean06 | lol |
| 17:06.35 | wurp2 | Did you read on the lists that the first batch might be v5s? |
| 17:06.53 | wurp2 | (which take >8x as much power to keep leds illuminated) |
| 17:06.53 | kdean06 | I've getting so much e-mail now I can't read them all. |
| 17:07.09 | wurp2 | I think I will wait for v6s at least before buying |
| 17:07.22 | wurp2 | I'm not very concerned about the goodies |
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| 17:07.39 | kdean06 | wurp2, If the goodies are an extra battery, I dont' care. :) |
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| 17:08.04 | wurp2 | kdean06: I saw someone on ebay apparently selling 01 batteries for about $15 each |
| 17:08.18 | wurp2 | So I think I'll just shell out for another one |
| 17:08.42 | kdean06 | Some people say "I want 30 hour standby time!". If I can forget to plug it in when I go to bed and it's still alive when I wake up, that's fine with me. :) My lifestyle means there's never more than a 10 hour gap when I don't have charger access. |
| 17:08.45 | wurp2 | Max battery life for a v5 with *just* an led burning was 10 hours |
| 17:08.47 | mwester | wonders just how many of the gta01's will actually remain in any form of use once the 02 comes out. |
| 17:08.54 | wurp2 | kdean06: me too |
| 17:09.03 | wurp2 | mwester: I have no plans on getting rid of mine |
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| 17:09.09 | kdean06 | mwester, At least 1. :) |
| 17:09.10 | wurp2 | or ceasing to use it |
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| 17:09.27 | wurp2 | and I will be pretty peeved if the whole effort to support it just dries up |
| 17:09.42 | kdean06 | Though... HOW I use it might change. My wife pretty much said she doesn't want it, so I might turn it into a carputer. :P |
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| 17:10.46 | ledzgio | where can i find the api's for develope openmoko app?will i need some specific api for openmoko framework right? |
| 17:11.26 | nezza-_- | ledzgio: well.. take a look into the wiki. |
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| 17:11.33 | nezza-_- | ledzgio: you need the build environment |
| 17:11.33 | mwester | I think it's just styles, right? |
| 17:11.39 | nezza-_- | mwester: right |
| 17:11.53 | ledzgio | where is the build environment? |
| 17:12.04 | ScaredyCat | guesses he must be on a global ignore list |
| 17:12.07 | nezza-_- | ledzgio: wiki.openmoko.org |
| 17:12.13 | nezza-_- | ScaredyCat: ? |
| 17:12.22 | ScaredyCat | nm |
| 17:12.44 | wurp2 | ledzgio: The only real apis I know about are the /sys file structure (which is mostly undocumented) and dbus (which is likely to changes soon) |
| 17:13.01 | wurp2 | I added some minimal docs of dbus to the wiki |
| 17:13.13 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: No, we ignore you manually ;-) |
| 17:13.23 | ScaredyCat | who said that? |
| 17:13.33 | mwester | thinks ScaredyCat mis-chan'd again. |
| 17:13.36 | mwester | :p |
| 17:13.57 | ScaredyCat | I meant a non-irc ignore list |
| 17:14.00 | wurp2 | I guess so, since I didn't see anything he'd said recently in this chan for us to ignore |
| 17:14.26 | ScaredyCat | sighs |
| 17:14.51 | ScaredyCat | I think the 01 will die a slow painful death... |
| 17:15.13 | wurp2 | Yay, that's just what I was hoping for when I shelled out $300 |
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| 17:15.22 | zedstar | i think i will keep using mine instead of an emulator |
| 17:15.25 | ScaredyCat | it's only my opinion... |
| 17:15.30 | ScaredyCat | but... |
| 17:15.31 | ScaredyCat | well... |
| 17:15.51 | wurp2 | Honestly, actually even if it doesn't get any major sw improvements, I will probably still use mine and have fun with it |
| 17:16.13 | wurp2 | but I will still be pretty pissed |
| 17:16.17 | ledzgio | sorry guys, i can't find the build environment...someone can help me? |
| 17:16.19 | ScaredyCat | yeah, I'll probably convert mine to an sms<->email gateway... |
| 17:16.27 | wurp2 | ledzgio: Search for toolchain |
| 17:16.38 | zedstar | an sms type gateway be good |
| 17:16.40 | ScaredyCat | soultrain |
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| 17:17.17 | ScaredyCat | sighs some more |
| 17:17.18 | zedstar | or could use it as a atomic time server if u get gps signal from it where it is |
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| 17:17.58 | zedstar | or failing that some kind of sex toy |
| 17:18.13 | wurp2 | zedstar: Yeah, I've been thinking of all the interesting things you can do with 'vibrate' |
| 17:18.13 | ScaredyCat | must remember to get gllin |
| 17:18.40 | wurp2 | A @$%1 standard way to get gllin on the 01 would be a big boon |
| 17:18.54 | wurp2 | s/@$%1/fucking/ |
| 17:18.59 | zedstar | or just where it round your neck to impress the ladies |
| 17:19.13 | wurp2 | hah |
| 17:19.15 | ledzgio | ok but this is for c language and i don't see nothing about python and apis |
| 17:19.22 | wurp2 | I laughed when I got the lanyard |
| 17:19.23 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 17:19.31 | ScaredyCat | he said api's |
| 17:19.34 | ledzgio | it's not so easy..little bit confused |
| 17:19.36 | zedstar | i saw someone wearing one |
| 17:19.38 | ScaredyCat | giggles |
| 17:19.40 | zedstar | brave man |
| 17:19.59 | ScaredyCat | BT Staff seem to wear them |
| 17:20.14 | wurp2 | ledzgio: Just write the code on your pc for a python app using 480x640 screen, and copy to the neo |
| 17:20.29 | wurp2 | and install the needed python opkgs the way I listed earlier |
| 17:20.33 | zedstar | BT staff can probably afford to gold plate them too |
| 17:20.33 | ScaredyCat | or write it on the neo |
| 17:20.41 | wurp2 | If you have *specific* api needs, ask about them |
| 17:20.44 | ledzgio | and if i want to use some hardware function?like accelerometers or something else?? |
| 17:20.53 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: true too |
| 17:20.57 | ScaredyCat | ledzgio: you have an 02? |
| 17:21.29 | wurp2 | ledzgio: There are no docs for that stuff afaik, and if there were, they would be wrong by the time you could execute the code on the FR |
| 17:21.46 | zedstar | shud setup a "pimp my neo" wiki page to see who can mod theirs the most |
| 17:21.51 | ScaredyCat | you can't emulate the accs afaik |
| 17:22.07 | ScaredyCat | mods zedstar's using a sheep |
| 17:22.09 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: "can't" is a strong word |
| 17:22.31 | ScaredyCat | wurp2: you're gonna pick up your desktop and wave it about? |
| 17:22.35 | ledzgio | so now i can't use the hardware specific of neo? |
| 17:22.44 | zedstar | Barrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 17:23.22 | ScaredyCat | ledzgio: you here just t the point when we are expecting the gta02 (with accs) |
| 17:23.28 | kdean06 | I have a picture of my cat as my Neo's wallpaper, and his orange coat matches the GTK theme well. :) |
| 17:23.35 | ScaredyCat | the old gta01 does not have them |
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| 17:24.26 | ScaredyCat | thinks it's cruel to spray your cat just to match your desktop |
| 17:24.41 | Basheri | =DD |
| 17:25.06 | zedstar | i can probably find one cat to match if they change the theme as i have 4 |
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| 17:25.08 | ledzgio | ok..so just generic python app?? |
| 17:25.09 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: Just pointing out that with enough code, all things are possible |
| 17:25.55 | ScaredyCat | wurp2: you're a python programmer... you have to use a bucket load of code just for hello world :) |
| 17:25.57 | ScaredyCat | :P |
| 17:26.13 | summatusmentis | should learn python |
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| 17:26.59 | ScaredyCat | has a book... |
| 17:27.02 | ScaredyCat | well, a pdf |
| 17:27.20 | ScaredyCat | but even the text is boring... |
| 17:27.26 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: ? |
| 17:27.38 | wurp2 | print "Hello world" |
| 17:27.43 | zedstar | how many shared libraries get loaded to run hello world in python? |
| 17:27.45 | ledzgio | is there an msn app for the neo? |
| 17:27.47 | ScaredyCat | I don;t want to |
| 17:27.55 | zedstar | how does python actually work |
| 17:28.07 | CVirus | python can be learned in 10 minutes |
| 17:28.16 | ScaredyCat | zedstar: it uses 1.12TB of libraries |
| 17:28.19 | wurp2 | ledzgio: I would start off with generic python code, dummying out functions to provide access to any hw interaction you need |
| 17:28.37 | ScaredyCat | ledzgio: pidgin works on it |
| 17:28.39 | zedstar | scaredycat yer not wrong |
| 17:28.40 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: troll ;-) |
| 17:28.54 | ScaredyCat | wurp2: not a toll, a python hater ;) |
| 17:28.56 | zedstar | actually i dont know but curious |
| 17:29.17 | ScaredyCat | but I have the book, so I'll read it while on the toilet or something |
| 17:29.22 | zedstar | the process of a python app runing...i presume some shared libraries exist and are loaded but how big are they etc |
| 17:29.36 | ScaredyCat | 1.21jiggabytes |
| 17:29.51 | zedstar | pinches ScaredyCat |
| 17:30.02 | ScaredyCat | gneh! |
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| 17:30.27 | CM | Who talked about flash in OM? Gnash status update at: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9454721484.html |
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| 17:30.49 | ScaredyCat | flash.... ahhhh saviour of the universe.... |
| 17:31.01 | zedstar | Gordons Alive! |
| 17:31.03 | summatusmentis | ScaredyCat: where'd you get your book? |
| 17:31.14 | ScaredyCat | amazon |
| 17:31.34 | summatusmentis | mm |
| 17:31.40 | ScaredyCat | iirc it's the first one listed if you go to th books page and type in python |
| 17:31.48 | summatusmentis | oh, ok, cool |
| 17:32.00 | wurp2 | summatusmentis: Look at "Dive into Python" online |
| 17:32.07 | Basheri | Dive into python is nice, since the pdf version is free |
| 17:32.10 | summatusmentis | wurp2: alright, will do |
| 17:32.13 | wurp2 | afaik there aren't really any printed python books that are better than the online ones |
| 17:32.16 | summatusmentis | peace all |
| 17:32.25 | wurp2 | other than ppl w/ no neo being able to read them on the toilet |
| 17:32.27 | ledzgio | thanks very much to everyone helped me |
| 17:32.34 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r210 10/trunk/specifications/otapi/ (Makefile org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.xml.in): otapi: start adding docs |
| 17:32.35 | ledzgio | and sorry for my bad english |
| 17:32.39 | ledzgio | i'm italian |
| 17:32.40 | Basheri | *pdf, html etc. |
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| 17:32.54 | wurp2 | ledzgio: np; you should see my Italian |
| 17:33.02 | ledzgio | :) |
| 17:33.12 | ScaredyCat | you should see my website :) |
| 17:33.57 | zedstar | do i need paypal? |
| 17:34.04 | ScaredyCat | no |
| 17:34.06 | Basheri | you should see my python... no wait that sounds creepy |
| 17:34.09 | ScaredyCat | it's a .it domain |
| 17:34.25 | ledzgio | why .it domain? |
| 17:34.33 | zedstar | trouser snake eh |
| 17:34.42 | ledzgio | do you like the .it word? |
| 17:34.56 | ScaredyCat | well, originally I was after fuck.it ... but that had gone |
| 17:35.06 | ledzgio | ohh |
| 17:35.10 | ledzgio | ok |
| 17:35.11 | zedstar | ah yeh...some countries are useful |
| 17:35.12 | ScaredyCat | so i went for automated.it |
| 17:35.18 | ledzgio | :) |
| 17:35.30 | ScaredyCat | because it was originally about home automation |
| 17:35.53 | ScaredyCat | ... automated it ... geddit |
| 17:35.59 | zedstar | fuck.it be good for your resume email |
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| 17:36.11 | ledzgio | you've to translate in italian too |
| 17:36.11 | CVirus | LOL |
| 17:36.15 | ledzgio | lol |
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| 17:37.04 | CVirus | You guys mind if I link to my latest blog post here ? ... as I want to know the comments of the people involved in the FLOSS community ? |
| 17:37.06 | zedstar | i would call in someone for interview just for that |
| 17:38.24 | ScaredyCat | CVirus: yeah, we can spam your blog if you like |
| 17:38.35 | CVirus | cool http://cvirus.net/?p=75 |
| 17:38.36 | CVirus | :-D |
| 17:38.40 | CM | ScaredyCat: We'd never do that... :P |
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| 17:39.21 | ledzgio | what you think about android framework? |
| 17:39.22 | ScaredyCat | cool idea CVirus |
| 17:39.35 | ScaredyCat | ledzgio: it's not open ource |
| 17:39.48 | ScaredyCat | s/ ource/source/ |
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| 17:39.51 | ledzgio | you can develop your apps too |
| 17:39.51 | doc|work | ScaredyCat: hey, where do you get off speaking for all of us. Personally I wanted to see the two of them punching the heads off each other :( |
| 17:40.58 | ScaredyCat | doc|work: what are you whinging about |
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| 17:41.04 | ScaredyCat | oh.. |
| 17:41.06 | ScaredyCat | the video |
| 17:41.08 | ScaredyCat | thing |
| 17:41.11 | doc|work | yeah :) |
| 17:41.12 | ScaredyCat | righ |
| 17:41.30 | ScaredyCat | you're just like my wife... completely off topic |
| 17:41.40 | ScaredyCat | and expecting me to know wtf you are on about |
| 17:41.48 | CM | Hehe |
| 17:41.54 | doc|work | and not only that, I *also* won't have sex with you |
| 17:41.59 | CVirus | ScaredyCat: if the idea is applied too all CS schools in the world :-D |
| 17:42.00 | doc|work | runs |
| 17:42.09 | CVirus | ScaredyCat: imagine the amount of contribution |
| 17:42.20 | ScaredyCat | CVirus: yeah, excellent idea imho |
| 17:42.31 | ScaredyCat | doc|work: she has to sleep >:) |
| 17:42.37 | CVirus | cool |
| 17:43.26 | doc|work | ScaredyCat: :) |
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| 17:45.32 | ScaredyCat | CVirus: now all we need is for you to limit the foss project to openmoko :) |
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| 17:45.55 | CVirus | hehe |
| 17:46.00 | ledzgio | guys i want to do an app that can sent http request to a web site and print the result...which python library?? |
| 17:46.01 | CVirus | it's a hypothetical situation ! |
| 17:46.13 | CVirus | in my very own virtual world |
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| 17:47.01 | ahven | kuulab: Summer Girls - Best Of The 90's - LFO (x«amarok) |
| 17:47.32 | ahven | kuulab: Now It's Over - - J Magik & Wickaman Feat. Kathy (x«amarok) |
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| 17:48.07 | ScaredyCat | libcurl ftW! |
| 17:48.08 | doc|work | me eyes ahven |
| 17:48.14 | ScaredyCat | slaps ahven |
| 17:48.16 | wurp2 | ledzgio: I think you're better off for those kinds of questions just googling |
| 17:48.30 | ledzgio | yes you're right |
| 17:48.31 | ScaredyCat | why would you want us to know that you listen to bad music ahven |
| 17:48.32 | ledzgio | :) |
| 17:48.45 | ScaredyCat | yeah, |
| 17:48.50 | ahven | ScaredyCat, it was in that collection :( |
| 17:49.04 | ScaredyCat | cos python needs 100000's libs for that, it'd take wurp2 all wek to tell you |
| 17:49.06 | ledzgio | i've to go, bye |
| 17:49.10 | ledzgio | and thanks again |
| 17:49.18 | ScaredyCat | s/wek/week/ |
| 17:50.00 | ScaredyCat | pokes at wurp2 with a poking stick |
| 17:50.12 | ScaredyCat | ~lart you all |
| 17:50.12 | apt | strangles you all with a doohicky mouse cord |
| 17:50.12 | ledzgio | :) |
| 17:50.22 | ledzgio | better in java then python? |
| 17:50.30 | doc|work | argh |
| 17:50.35 | ScaredyCat | falls off chair |
| 17:50.46 | ledzgio | does openmoko supports java? |
| 17:50.52 | ScaredyCat | visual basic |
| 17:50.59 | ScaredyCat | :> |
| 17:51.19 | ledzgio | i don't know visual basic |
| 17:51.24 | ledzgio | i like java |
| 17:51.30 | mjr | somebody did reportedly get phoneme (j2me) to run on qvfb or something, would want to run directly on X but it's a start... |
| 17:52.15 | Stephmw | ledzgio: investigate JaLiMo |
| 17:52.34 | ScaredyCat | fecking web 2 naming.. |
| 17:53.22 | ScaredyCat | i'D pRefeR It If peOplE WoUlD gEt It rIgHt |
| 17:54.29 | ScaredyCat | points wurp2 @ scap |
| 17:55.05 | doc|work | openmoko supports vb? |
| 17:55.17 | ScaredyCat | i was being facecious |
| 17:55.38 | CVirus | [19:41] <ledzgio> better in java then python? |
| 17:55.38 | CVirus | [19:42] * ScaredyCat falls off chair |
| 17:55.39 | SpeedEvil | does his monkey impression at ScaredyCat. |
| 17:55.39 | CVirus | ROFL |
| 17:55.55 | CVirus | guys ... take it easy on ScaredyCat |
| 17:56.01 | zedstar | does a David Brent dance |
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| 17:57.00 | ScaredyCat | I think you added a line there CVirus! |
| 17:57.28 | CVirus | heh |
| 17:58.20 | ScaredyCat | are you flicking poo again SpeedEvil? |
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| 17:59.32 | ScaredyCat | ^----- bet he's hears all the jokes |
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| 18:00.09 | wurp2 | ledzgio: It's just one lib for http, but I don't remember the name for sure and I wanted to discourage you from asking me the name of each python library you want to use :-) |
| 18:00.27 | ScaredyCat | it's probably a wrapper lib |
| 18:00.44 | ScaredyCat | around 1000000's lines of code in 500 libs.. |
| 18:00.57 | doc|work | anyone got any time, based on where we are and barring any problems, until shipping? rough guess? |
| 18:01.02 | ledzgio | :) scaredycat you love python!!!!!! |
| 18:01.04 | ScaredyCat | mushroom mushroom |
| 18:01.39 | ScaredyCat | ledzgio: whitespace... it uses whitespace... wtf |
| 18:01.52 | ScaredyCat | that's just wank# |
| 18:01.55 | ScaredyCat | -# |
| 18:02.15 | ScaredyCat | oooh look at me: |
| 18:02.22 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:02.41 | doc|work | passes ScaredyCat brainfuck docs |
| 18:02.52 | ScaredyCat | mutters |
| 18:05.16 | wurp2 | ledzgio: I don't have the energy or time to dismiss ScaredyCat's worthless arguments, but do take some time to read both pro & anti python arguments before making a final decision. Or just learn enough to write a simple app; it doesn't take long and you can see if you like it or not. |
| 18:05.35 | zedstar | 32Gig iPhone wtf |
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| 18:06.37 | doc|work | zedstar: for when you're not raped enough by the 8gb one |
| 18:07.35 | zedstar | yeh althought that is kinda cheap now with the price cut |
| 18:07.46 | doc|work | cheap in every sense |
| 18:07.56 | zedstar | ?169 then crack it |
| 18:07.57 | doc|work | paying for 'certified' apps? thanks but no thanks |
| 18:08.13 | doc|work | freerunner++ |
| 18:09.08 | ledzgio | ok wurp2 i'll follow your advice |
| 18:10.43 | ScaredyCat | pppfft - wurp2 just knows I'm right |
| 18:12.10 | wurp2 | I've just already had one screaming match in here about python vs C (I'm not anti-C, btw), and if you want to argue with me about it, just search the logs for it and argue with yesterme |
| 18:12.35 | zedstar | u cud just install Scheme it is one shared library |
| 18:12.38 | zedstar | hides |
| 18:13.16 | wurp2 | zedstar: once I get common lisp down solid, I'll take a good look at Scheme :-) |
| 18:13.53 | zedstar | Scheme is a bit more hardcore as it doesnt include all those nice bells n whistles of common lisp etc |
| 18:14.01 | zedstar | so is much smaller runs on anything |
| 18:14.51 | zedstar | wurp2 if u do check out chicken scheme cos it is for practical kinda stuff |
| 18:15.47 | zedstar | checks to see if unknown_lamer is about |
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| 18:17.35 | zedstar | i actually program in C but embed Scheme like u wud embed Lua etc to do things i cant be arsed in C |
| 18:17.47 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: hello |
| 18:17.59 | ScaredyCat | moko? |
| 18:18.11 | zedstar | unknown_lamer heheh thought id wake u from the dead |
| 18:18.51 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: clisp is pretty small ... 3M heap usage at start |
| 18:19.01 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: load a ton of useful libraries and it only inches up to 8-10M |
| 18:19.13 | `pwgen` | init=/bin/emacs ..... |
| 18:19.29 | unknown_lamer | I want emacs on my freerunner eventually |
| 18:19.37 | wurp2 | unknown_lamer: python is only 1 meg at start ;-) |
| 18:19.52 | unknown_lamer | but does python have all of the functionality of CL at start? |
| 18:20.21 | zedstar | scheme doesnt have much functiionality at start ill give u that :) |
| 18:20.21 | wurp2 | unknown_lamer: I don't think python ever has all the functionality of CL, unless you write a CL emulator in it |
| 18:20.56 | unknown_lamer | 3M isn't bad given the large size of the base common lisp library, an ffi, readline, clx, bdb, etc |
| 18:20.58 | wurp2 | but then C doesn't have nearly the functionality of python |
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| 18:22.15 | unknown_lamer | C without the boehm GC is a huge PITA and you end up with terrible memory consumption issues once you start manipulating lists of things and whatnot because you cannot do structure sharing with manual memory management (I mean, you *could* do refcounting, but then you have issues with cycles and writing your own list types and a thousand other evil evil evil things and caveats) |
| 18:23.07 | quicksand | Everything has all the functionality of everything else, given sufficient libraries. |
| 18:23.07 | quicksand | So program in whatever you want an' quit yer bitchin' |
| 18:23.23 | zedstar | lol |
| 18:23.37 | unknown_lamer | there are limits to what you can do in C (closures is the first big one) |
| 18:23.40 | ScaredyCat | programs in 1's and 0' |
| 18:23.42 | ScaredyCat | s |
| 18:23.51 | zedstar | choose your sword |
| 18:23.52 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r211 10/trunk/specifications/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.xml.in: otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.xml.in: docs++ |
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| 18:24.01 | mickeyl | spyre: ping? |
| 18:24.22 | `pwgen` | c -> compiler language ... python script ( precomiled language ) to compare c an python is like comparing apples and oranges |
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| 18:24.46 | zedstar | ah but there are script languages that compile to C |
| 18:24.48 | ScaredyCat | orpple |
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| 18:25.03 | ewon | eiffel |
| 18:25.04 | ScaredyCat | vala... |
| 18:25.16 | ScaredyCat | isn;t that some sort of thing tlike that? |
| 18:25.23 | zedstar | yeh |
| 18:25.34 | `pwgen` | .. precompiled to meta language -> compiled or assembed to binary |
| 18:25.34 | ScaredyCat | for lazy people.. :P |
| 18:25.36 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: sure, but that's not quite the same (try hand writing equivalent functionality). It's like saying that there are languages that compile to machine code |
| 18:25.42 | ScaredyCat | tickles mickeyl |
| 18:26.07 | mickeyl | chuckles |
| 18:26.16 | wurp2 | Just limber up your alt key and cat > a.out |
| 18:26.27 | zedstar | does eiffel compile to c? |
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| 18:27.46 | wurp2 | zedstar: Sure, just use the C code implementing eiffel and use your eiffel program as an input file |
| 18:28.08 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: will you be able to comment on specific applications for GSoC after the students are chosen? |
| 18:28.26 | `pwgen` | real coders code cp con: foo.com .... (:-)) |
| 18:28.30 | ericjames | I apologize in advance, as this question is off topic. I have not found an appropriate freenode room, and I really admire the work you have all put into wireless development. |
| 18:28.41 | zedstar | wurp2 implement your own eiffel interpreter in C u suggesting? |
| 18:29.08 | zedstar | wurp2 or compiler even |
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| 18:29.20 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r212 10/trunk/specifications/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.xml.in: otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Device.xml.in: add GetAntennaPower() -> b |
| 18:29.45 | ScaredyCat | wasn't tat a statement not a question ericjames? |
| 18:29.52 | ScaredyCat | s/tat/that/ |
| 18:30.01 | mickeyl | summatusmentis: a bit, yes |
| 18:30.13 | ericjames | I have been searching fruitlessly for days to find a solution to connecting my mobile phone (razr v3c with no service provider) to my lan connection via usb. Does anybody know if this is possible without adding additional hardware to the phone? |
| 18:30.17 | ScaredyCat | summatusmentis: what are you going for? |
| 18:30.35 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: ok, I'd just be looking for feedback on the app(why it wasn't chosen, etc.) |
| 18:30.51 | mickeyl | *nod* |
| 18:31.04 | ericjames | I am looking to use it to test web development for mobile browsers, and possibly as a VoIP phone. |
| 18:31.08 | ScaredyCat | :o |
| 18:31.10 | unknown_lamer | april 20th is so close I want to see what lispnyc chose (*crosses finger* maybe clisp mulithreading) |
| 18:31.12 | zedstar | a GSoC project to implement Fizz Buzz |
| 18:31.12 | ScaredyCat | summatusmentis: ... |
| 18:31.13 | wurp2 | zedstar: Well, at some point in the past the eiffel compiler must have been written in C |
| 18:31.13 | icman | a//quit |
| 18:31.18 | wurp2 | So there's your starting point |
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| 18:33.03 | ericjames | The best solution I have come across is enabling it as a bluetooth headset and using some softphone application. This, obviously, won't help me to recieve a network signal on the phone. |
| 18:33.52 | wibbit | unknown_lamer: What special about the 20th? |
| 18:33.54 | zedstar | wurp2 yeh i dont even remember what eiffel syntax even looks like now....i just remember the OO book we did used it |
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| 18:34.15 | ericjames | I am beginning to doubt that the phone is capable of this without soldering a network adapter into the phone. |
| 18:34.42 | ericjames | any ideas would be greatly apriciated/ |
| 18:35.05 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r213 10/trunk/specifications/otapi/README: otapi: add doc info to README |
| 18:35.32 | wibbit | ericjames: If it supports native USB, can you not get a USB to Ethernet device? |
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| 18:37.00 | ericjames | wibbit, I have a usb capable modem. The phone just needs to know to look for a network connection via usb, not a cellular network connection |
| 18:38.02 | doc|work | wibbit: and does the razr? if not, no matter what hardware you get it won't work :/ |
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| 18:38.39 | unknown_lamer | wibbit: accepted gsoc applications are announced |
| 18:38.43 | unknown_lamer | or maybe it was the 21st |
| 18:39.06 | wibbit | unknown_lamer: bummer, there was me hoping it would be related to another moko announcement :) |
| 18:39.14 | zedstar | gta03 |
| 18:39.19 | zedstar | is coming out |
| 18:39.25 | unknown_lamer | wibbit: openmoko is going to announce their gsoc students too sooo :-) |
| 18:39.32 | doc|work | zedstar: ? |
| 18:40.24 | zedstar | doc i was just being a fool |
| 18:40.30 | wibbit | unknown_lamer: not quite the announcement I was hoping for :) |
| 18:40.33 | doc|work | stabs :( |
| 18:41.23 | ericjames | I am not sure if this could be accomplished using special drivers, or if there is any available linux firmware that could be flashed to the phone, or, again, if the phone's hardware is not capable of a usb network connection. |
| 18:42.12 | ericjames | I have really been looking into it extensively, but I have not found any answers. |
| 18:42.47 | summatusmentis | unknown_lamer: yeah, announcement is on the 21st |
| 18:43.11 | wurp2 | ericjames: Why not just buy an OM phone? |
| 18:43.15 | summatusmentis | unknown_lamer: Google wants to announce I think :) |
| 18:43.23 | zedstar | ericjames is this the linux razr? isnt monta vista the people behind that linux? |
| 18:44.11 | ericjames | zedstar: it is now the linux razr2, it is an older Razr v3c |
| 18:44.26 | doc|work | there's a linux razr? |
| 18:44.44 | doc|work | has a slvr he'd like to see linux on, moto software = pants |
| 18:44.50 | ericjames | wurp2: the phone was donated, I am not looking to purchase a phone to accomplish this |
| 18:44.55 | zedstar | ericjames from what i remember mont vista were involved in that? maybe try them |
| 18:45.17 | ericjames | zedstar: thankyou |
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| 18:45.30 | zedstar | monta vista even |
| 18:45.43 | ericjames | doc|work: the razr2 v8 and v9 run linux |
| 18:45.54 | doc|work | cool |
| 18:46.58 | alphaone | ericjames: The v9 does? |
| 18:47.05 | alphaone | I though that one didn't |
| 18:47.07 | ericjames | I personally don't like the phone much, lol. again, it was donated "in the name of science" as I thought I might be able to connect it to my LAN |
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| 18:47.42 | ericjames | alphaone: I'm sorry, that may be inaccurate. the V8 does for sure |
| 18:49.18 | wurp2 | ericjames: I think you'll spend much more of your time fighting your phone than it would take to earn the money to buy an OM :-) |
| 18:53.40 | zedstar | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_RAZR? |
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| 18:53.49 | zedstar | yeh ues MontaVista OS |
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| 18:59.03 | crunsher | hallo |
| 19:01.06 | wurp2 | crunsher: goodbye |
| 19:02.25 | doc|work | o.O |
| 19:02.29 | mwester | nice of him to wave as he passed through |
| 19:03.19 | zedstar | depends what it was he waved |
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| 19:15.03 | crunsher | is anybody there? |
| 19:15.15 | zedstar | nobody here but us chickens |
| 19:15.15 | summatusmentis | I am |
| 19:15.21 | summatusmentis | yeah, and the chickens |
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| 19:16.19 | crunsher | why is it so silent in this room? |
| 19:17.07 | wurp2 | crunsher: It was so silent because you said hello then immediately left :-) |
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| 19:17.56 | summatusmentis | crunsher: well, what's there to talk about? we're all waiting for FreeRunner :) |
| 19:18.03 | crunsher | thx, and now i will also left this room :P |
| 19:18.32 | crunsher | yes i also can't wait for my trisoft order |
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| 19:22.06 | summatusmentis | why does he come in here? |
| 19:22.19 | zedstar | to chat apparenlt |
| 19:22.21 | zedstar | y |
| 19:22.37 | summatusmentis | well, he comes, says hi, and then leaves |
| 19:22.56 | wurp2 | He's just flipping channels. |
| 19:22.57 | zedstar | yeh not great chat |
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| 19:47.27 | eugeneoden | anyone had any luck building openmoko-keyboard lately? |
| 19:48.47 | summatusmentis | has not tried |
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| 19:52.21 | cb22 | is it in any way possible for a dc device to run off just positive? |
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| 19:54.33 | wurp2 | cb22: Nope |
| 19:55.00 | wurp2 | cb22: You have to have a circuit, although I think you can use ground as the other side of the circuit |
| 19:55.12 | wurp2 | but it has to be a real ground, and the other side of your power source has to be grounded too |
| 19:55.13 | SpeedEvil | nods. |
| 19:55.13 | cb22 | wurp2: then i am tripping crazy |
| 19:55.31 | SpeedEvil | However - 'ground' can be suppied by signal grounds in other connectors |
| 19:56.17 | cb22 | would a ide cd drive powered by another psu plugged into a mobo powered by a dc psu count? |
| 19:56.21 | mwester | Or in certain cases, sufficient capacitance can permit the flow of current for some period of time, despite no real complete circuit. |
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| 19:56.35 | SpeedEvil | cb22: yes |
| 19:56.44 | SpeedEvil | cb22: if you have grounded outlets |
| 19:56.54 | mwester | There are many grounds on the IDE connector. |
| 19:57.04 | cb22 | ah ok :) i thougu,, |
| 19:57.08 | mwester | and I think even a power line or two, at least on the 2.5 " drives |
| 19:57.14 | SpeedEvil | Two |
| 19:57.18 | SpeedEvil | on 3.5" |
| 19:57.22 | cb22 | thought i was going crazy |
| 19:57.25 | SpeedEvil | and 2.5" on reflection too. |
| 19:57.43 | SpeedEvil | Though tehre are lots of signal grounds on 2.5" |
| 19:57.43 | cb22 | nr though? |
| 19:57.49 | SpeedEvil | nr? |
| 19:58.01 | cb22 | not recommended* |
| 19:58.21 | mwester | Oh no, not recommended AT ALL! |
| 19:58.24 | cb22 | on a crappy cell phone |
| 19:58.39 | cb22 | ehm, woops |
| 19:59.07 | cb22 | unplugs before the black smoke |
| 20:00.24 | mwester | recalls years ago when a bank in Chicago had many many problems with a big computer... finally after weeks of failures and replacement of the same parts, a tech noticed the shield on a ribbon cable was hot -- a ground had opened between two assemblies, and all the PSU current was flowing through the I/O bus ribbon cable. |
| 20:01.57 | cb22 | ouch |
| 20:03.00 | cb22 | imagine wasting all that cash on hardware when a little cable is simply broken |
| 20:03.24 | SpeedEvil | cash on hardware is utterly irrelevant in most cases. |
| 20:03.37 | SpeedEvil | It's cash wasted on having the thing down. |
| 20:03.42 | SpeedEvil | s/most/many/ |
| 20:04.09 | cb22 | for sure |
| 20:04.32 | cb22 | needs a freerunner |
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| 20:05.06 | cb22 | its gonnabe the remote control |
| 20:05.16 | cb22 | for my go-cart |
| 20:05.26 | summatusmentis | that's not as cool |
| 20:05.27 | mwester | SpeedEvil is right. The real cost was in the down-time, and the field-service engineering time to go onsite repeatedly, for a simple wiring error. :( |
| 20:06.02 | cb22 | summatusmentis ? |
| 20:06.25 | cb22 | btw any SOC news? |
| 20:06.31 | mmontour | On the topic of grounding problems - http://catb.org/jargon/html/magic-story.html |
| 20:06.37 | summatusmentis | cb22: having an open source phone is way cooler than a remote control go-cart |
| 20:07.22 | cb22 | but when you combine them... |
| 20:07.35 | summatusmentis | mmm |
| 20:08.19 | cb22 | 'just slide your finger across the screen' |
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| 20:12.36 | ScaredyCat | NOTE: package emacs-22.0.50+cvs20060801: completed |
| 20:12.37 | ScaredyCat | NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 287 tasks of which 248 didn't need to be rerun and 0 failed. |
| 20:12.37 | ScaredyCat | NOTE: build 200804171918: completed |
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| 20:13.45 | no_mind | how many applications did OM received for Gs0C ? |
| 20:14.30 | mwester | ScaredyCat: You wish an alternate operating system for your phone, then? ;) |
| 20:14.52 | kdean06 | I can't build qtopia images. :( |
| 20:15.15 | summatusmentis | no_mind: 62 apps, last I heard was 10 slots |
| 20:15.32 | ScaredyCat | mwester: unknown_lamer wanted emacs |
| 20:15.36 | no_mind | wow |
| 20:16.10 | mwester | rwhitby had emacs on the GTA01 many months ago; it worked -- but he had to fit it on the SD card! |
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| 20:18.13 | ScaredyCat | [s]he just mentioned it so I built it.. haven't even looked at the size |
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| 20:18.20 | wurp2 | summatusmentis: OM is getting 10 GSoC slots!? |
| 20:18.47 | summatusmentis | wurp2: that's what I heard... I don't remember where |
| 20:18.52 | wurp2 | wow, very nice! |
| 20:19.05 | summatusmentis | I think it was a prelim number, that may have changed |
| 20:20.22 | summatusmentis | wurp2: so don't quote me on that :) |
| 20:20.25 | wurp2 | You mean you were bullshitting, and now you're backpedaling? ;-) |
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| 20:20.49 | summatusmentis | lol, no, I definitely heard that, but it was before all orgs had put their requests in, etc. |
| 20:21.00 | wurp2 | heh, cool |
| 20:22.06 | cb22 | summatusmentis, bt the 4000 dollar question :p |
| 20:22.19 | summatusmentis | ... |
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| 20:22.43 | cb22 | how are your chances |
| 20:23.22 | cb22 | dum dum dum |
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| 20:24.36 | summatusmentis | hi abraxa_ |
| 20:24.41 | summatusmentis | and abraxa__ |
| 20:28.18 | cb22 | abraxa is currently updatin his website |
| 20:28.55 | summatusmentis | what's his website? |
| 20:29.09 | summatusmentis | should stalk abraxa__ |
| 20:29.17 | cb22 | google for abraxa |
| 20:29.26 | cb22 | 1st results |
| 20:30.09 | summatusmentis | oh, joke, I get it :) |
| 20:30.28 | cb22 | no, no joke |
| 20:30.45 | cb22 | thats his site for real |
| 20:30.51 | summatusmentis | sadistic delights? |
| 20:31.39 | cb22 | yep |
| 20:32.06 | wurp2 | So is abraxa also the f/22/MN I see like 3 places down after a search? |
| 20:32.20 | cb22 | yep |
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| 20:32.33 | wurp2 | wow, I didn't know we let chicks hang out in here |
| 20:32.45 | summatusmentis | everyone knows there aren't girls on the intertubes |
| 20:33.04 | doc|work | there aren't? then what the f**k are we doing here? |
| 20:33.07 | doc|work | :( |
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| 20:33.14 | wurp2 | doc|work: lol |
| 20:33.37 | wurp2 | Although SpeedEvil's email addy was dolores something... |
| 20:33.47 | SpeedEvil | Nope. |
| 20:34.20 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: I woulda sworn the addy you gave me for buying screen protectors was something like that |
| 20:34.33 | wurp2 | It seemed incongruous with some commentary I've seen from you ;-) |
| 20:34.39 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 20:34.46 | SpeedEvil | no - that was my mums paypal |
| 20:34.57 | wurp2 | Ah |
| 20:35.09 | SpeedEvil | is male! |
| 20:35.12 | SpeedEvil | checks. |
| 20:35.15 | SpeedEvil | Yup! |
| 20:35.16 | wurp2 | ew |
| 20:35.19 | summatusmentis | uh huh... sure, that's what they all say |
| 20:35.50 | wurp2 | summatusmentis: As long as they check themselves instead of asking me, I'm perfectly comfortable taking their word for it. |
| 20:39.25 | unknown_lamer | oh yay a bitbake package for emacs already exists |
| 20:40.59 | cb22 | but it requires more space to build then a full OM imaq |
| 20:41.12 | cb22 | image* |
| 20:41.37 | quicksand | I said yesterday I'd build illume and report back here -- but alas, no love from the openomoko download servers; all of the packages failed during fetch. Would be nice if someone would straighten that crap out! |
| 20:42.05 | quicksand | I'll have to try again later. Every second build fails for some ridiculous reason. |
| 20:42.25 | quicksand | (Since the beginning of time.) |
| 20:43.47 | cb22 | have yo made your sacrifices? |
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| 20:47.38 | quicksand | Wait, what? Chickens? Goats? Virgins? Virgin chickens? |
| 20:48.07 | wurp2 | You should make a bernt_ offering |
| 20:48.24 | wurp2 | Virgin chickens are too hard to fine |
| 20:48.27 | wurp2 | s/fine/find/ |
| 20:48.40 | quicksand | Around your place maybe |
| 20:48.49 | wurp2 | >;-) |
| 20:48.53 | quicksand | ;-) |
| 20:49.07 | wurp2 | Why did the pervert cross the road? |
| 20:49.17 | quicksand | I should know this one! |
| 20:49.25 | wurp2 | 'cause he was stuck in the chicken. |
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| 20:51.41 | wurp2 | Don't everyone lol at once! |
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| 20:53.11 | doc|work | roflcopter |
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| 20:53.51 | cb22 | lmaoplanes |
| 20:54.56 | cb22 | actually you see, the chicken has no concept of what a road is |
| 20:55.24 | cb22 | therefor it cannot have a motif |
| 20:55.37 | wurp2 | I like a nice fried motif for my chicken |
| 20:55.41 | doc|work | motive you unix nutjob :) |
| 20:56.01 | cb22 | haha |
| 20:56.10 | wurp2 | That's the best flavor of nutjob to be! |
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| 20:56.18 | doc|work | thank fuck you laughed, I was wondering would that get me kicked :) |
| 20:56.43 | cb22 | eww nutjob |
| 20:56.48 | wurp2 | :-) |
| 20:56.50 | *** topic/#openmoko by doc|work -> Welcome to the Openmoko support and discussion channel! The Freerunner phone (with wifi) will be released at some time. | Official status: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | Want 3G in the successor? http://blog.automated.it | chickens do not use motif |
| 20:57.07 | wurp2 | I thought throwing flavor in the same sentence with it might get a rise |
| 20:57.10 | cb22 | have* |
| 20:57.13 | wurp2 | as it were |
| 20:57.22 | doc|work | cb22: no one *has* motif, do they? |
| 20:57.27 | linuxxr | ythey will cros the road to kick your ass though |
| 20:57.30 | wurp2 | I didn't know cb22 was big guns in here |
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| 20:57.41 | cb22 | openmotif? |
| 20:57.59 | cb22 | wurp2 nope |
| 20:58.08 | doc|work | right, but in context of 'have openmotif' it doesn't really work |
| 20:58.21 | cb22 | im not sure who is |
| 20:58.42 | cb22 | have an open motif |
| 20:59.07 | doc|work | Ganneff and mickey|zzZZzz are the only people with ops here |
| 20:59.47 | Ganneff | hm? |
| 21:00.44 | cb22 | you haz teh ops? |
| 21:01.01 | Ganneff | what do you want? |
| 21:01.27 | wurp2 | Nobody wants anything, just don't ban us plz |
| 21:01.34 | wurp2 | We were just discussing who has ops |
| 21:01.42 | wurp2 | or doesn't |
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| 21:01.55 | Ganneff | then do that in query - or find something to discuss that actually fits topic. thanks. :) |
| 21:02.16 | doc|work | reenters box |
| 21:03.17 | flexd | wonders why random people have decided to join the channel and count the amount of ops |
| 21:03.29 | flexd | it's time for zZzZ, night :) |
| 21:04.01 | cb22 | doesnt think wurp2 is a random person |
| 21:04.10 | wurp2 | Thank you, cb22 |
| 21:04.19 | wurp2 | :-) |
| 21:04.45 | flexd | has no clue and marks you both as randoms with a giant random-stamp! |
| 21:04.53 | Ganneff | no. enough. thanks. |
| 21:04.58 | Ganneff | s/no/now/ |
| 21:05.15 | wurp2 | But for the record, doc|work (also not a random person) was the one wondering about who has ops, and woke the ops beast. |
| 21:08.38 | quicksand | WTF. G_nn_ff seems grumpy. ObOnTopic: My Openmoko builds make me grumpy too. |
| 21:09.43 | quicksand | Maybe just saying the name triggers sirens and lights in HQ. |
| 21:10.30 | wurp2 | Well, in irssi starting a message with someone's name highlights the channel in yellow |
| 21:10.35 | wurp2 | for them |
| 21:11.26 | Ganneff | no, its red, but what has this todo with this channel? |
| 21:11.49 | wurp2 | I wasn't really aware that irc etiquette prohibited us from chatting about random stuff while no one has any on-topic discussion. |
| 21:12.07 | wurp2 | So, later |
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| 21:30.33 | ScaredyCat | slaps mtn people |
| 21:30.40 | ScaredyCat | merge it !! |
| 21:31.15 | ScaredyCat | mtn: note: branch 'org.openmoko.dev' has multiple heads |
| 21:31.24 | ScaredyCat | I bet one of them is dick |
| 21:31.28 | ajbrun | hi, ignoreing any music that would be on there, how much memory is likley to be used for the freerunner and all the programs that are likley to be installed? |
| 21:31.46 | ajbrun | not sure if 16gb or 32gb card is needed (assuming 32gb is out) |
| 21:31.54 | ajbrun | and assuming i have 8gb music |
| 21:32.14 | ajbrun | or is that all still an unknown for now? |
| 21:33.35 | SpeedEvil | I don't think larger than 8G microSD is available. |
| 21:33.51 | ajbrun | oh - didn't realise it was microsd |
| 21:33.52 | SpeedEvil | as to likely install - that should be _well_ under 1G |
| 21:34.00 | ajbrun | thought it was SDHC :p |
| 21:34.04 | ajbrun | standard size |
| 21:34.09 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 21:34.13 | ajbrun | kk |
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| 23:05.02 | summatusmentis | i can haz freerunner nao? |
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| 23:07.09 | ewon | no |
| 23:07.15 | doc|work | never |
| 23:07.48 | summatusmentis | pweez? |
| 23:11.12 | freebzh_jabber | because |
| 23:12.29 | summatusmentis | is bored out of his mind |
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| 23:28.02 | CVirus | can I has a freerunner 2 ? |
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| 23:55.04 | balrog-kun | freerunner 2 -- is that same as freerunner? |
| 23:55.17 | d3vice | wtf? |
| 23:55.19 | balrog-kun | or do you want two freerunners? |
| 23:57.21 | balrog-kun | oh, i'm dumb |
