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| 00:32.11 | balrog-kun | bmk789: i'm afraid there's little you can do |
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| 00:32.15 | balrog-kun | it's an embedded device |
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| 01:33.07 | summatusmentis | :-/ well, the idea of using a tax return to help pay for a FreeRunner didn't work... |
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| 01:34.06 | cesarb | And so, after a long time away, I start looking at the email backlog and notice that they changed everything :P |
| 01:34.06 | ewon | summatusmentis: why not? |
| 01:34.19 | cesarb | The kernel is now a git tree instead of a quilt patchset |
| 01:34.32 | cesarb | Mokomakefile svn is now somewhere else |
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| 01:34.47 | cesarb | And seems to be pointing to a different OE tree now |
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| 01:38.34 | cesarb | And to top it all, I am using in_atomic(), which has been deprecated a couple of weeks ago |
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| 01:43.09 | wurp2|away | cesarb: welcome back ;-) |
| 01:43.26 | cesarb | wurp2|away: thanks :D |
| 01:44.03 | summatusmentis | ewon: I have to pay taxes to a state on money earned in another state, and I'm getting no refund |
| 01:45.46 | ewon | shit :( |
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| 01:47.47 | summatusmentis | yeah, kinda |
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| 03:03.53 | rtm | My neo has started issuing the message "Unknown HZ value! (84) Assume 100." - does anyone know what this means? |
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| 03:19.11 | mwester | rtm: that it's not keeping time very well? |
| 03:19.24 | mwester | Did you reflash anything, or did it just do this out of the blue? |
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| 03:20.18 | rtm | The only change is that I installed an 8 GByte microSD card. |
| 03:20.54 | rtm | And yes, it is keeping time very poorly. |
| 03:22.31 | Issac-S | $399 US, that is a nice price... Now, all I need is a date. |
| 03:23.11 | rtm | I need a date too, but that has nothing to do with OM. |
| 03:23.39 | Issac-S | Oh, I am in that boat too. |
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| 03:35.43 | RedDog | ScaredyCat: as you wondered about 1345, did you mean 1341 instead of 1337? |
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| 03:43.16 | doc|home | so, steve talks about going the open route. Is he really saying they plan to compete on a quality device? that's never going to work! :) |
| 03:43.31 | doc|home | looks forward to the gta 03 too |
| 03:43.40 | doc|home | it'll *have* to kick ass |
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| 03:47.18 | summatusmentis | I get the impression that Steve is talking about not trying to take over the market |
| 03:47.54 | doc|home | I've no problem with fic winning massive market share once there's good reason for it |
| 03:49.07 | summatusmentis | right, but I get the impression that at this point, it's not OpenMokos plan |
| 03:52.55 | doc|home | I'd hope it is :) |
| 03:53.21 | doc|home | even if not with the gta02 they should still sell well |
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| 03:58.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1347 has been created by reddog(AT)mastersword.de |
| 03:58.01 | cdbot2 | * * Double suspend (second suspend right after resume) |
| 03:58.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1347 |
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| 04:16.57 | unknown_lamer | hrm, I wonder why the OE package for bdb is stuck at 4.3 |
| 04:17.11 | unknown_lamer | I hope it's just that no one has bothered updating it and not some evil arm incompatibility |
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| 04:50.36 | doc|home | hahaha, snuff videos of the destructive testing, nice... |
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| 04:57.01 | dvarnes | doc|home: url ? |
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| 04:59.36 | doc|home | dvarnes: none, someone requested them on the mailing list |
| 04:59.38 | doc|home | :) |
| 04:59.47 | dvarnes | ahh :-) |
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| 05:12.33 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 05:13.07 | summatusmentis | hi |
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| 06:29.47 | CM | Morning |
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| 06:36.01 | t_s_o | hmm, now to find a way to justify buying a freerunner :) |
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| 06:38.45 | flexd | Uhm, sort of a stupid question: |
| 06:38.48 | flexd | The accelerometers |
| 06:38.58 | flexd | They show the amount the phone is MOVING right? |
| 06:39.13 | flexd | not what angle it's at and such? |
| 06:39.36 | flexd | like http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/files/2008/04/81db03e78db4a5dc4e2ee9977bd44571.png ,he must be moving the phone at that point (the accelerometer numbers) |
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| 06:42.36 | CM | flexd: The accelerometers measure acceleration, but I don't know what values thos is showing on that image :) |
| 06:42.47 | CM | motion != acceleration |
| 06:43.32 | CM | Maybe they show angles, in some odd units |
| 06:44.29 | mib_csgmqrim | I've worked with the wii, as I work for my bachelor thesis - gesture recognition for the wii |
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| 06:44.49 | mib_csgmqrim | here's how you could compute roll and pitch http://www.wiili.org/index.php/Motion_analysis |
| 06:45.49 | mib_csgmqrim | the accelerometers show mainly two things |
| 06:46.00 | mib_csgmqrim | static acceleration when you're in the +-1G values |
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| 06:46.13 | mib_csgmqrim | and dynamic acceleration when you go above these values |
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| 06:46.56 | CM | mib_csgmqrim: Thanks for the facts :) |
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| 06:51.14 | flexd | I was basically thinking of being able to decide things based on motion/how the device is held |
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| 06:56.14 | methril | morning |
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| 07:40.58 | ScaredyCat | thos: you moo'd ? |
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| 07:43.27 | SpeedEvil | CM: see technical:accelerometer in the wiki |
| 07:43.45 | CM | takes a look |
| 07:45.01 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer |
| 07:45.16 | CM | Already half down the page ;) |
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| 07:46.59 | SpeedEvil | Some of the numbers on the page are significantly better than reality due to the sorts of accels used in the freerunner |
| 07:47.37 | CM | As long as there's a light saber app I'll be happy :P |
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| 07:54.25 | thomasg_ | CM, therefore you'd have to read http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Howto_Holographic_Display first |
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| 07:56.09 | borza | since I worked with the adxl330 which is inside the nintendo wii, I wonder what does 20 times worse mean |
| 07:56.22 | borza | if you hold the phone still, the values will change constantly? |
| 07:56.32 | borza | and within what limits |
| 07:57.21 | borza | the nintendo wii has an error of ~0.03 when I keep it still on the table |
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| 08:02.45 | SpeedEvil | borza: it has 20* the noise |
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| 08:03.03 | SpeedEvil | 16mg/s^2, compared to around 1mg |
| 08:03.16 | SpeedEvil | At a bandwidth of around 1Hz IIRC |
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| 08:06.32 | ScaredyCat | why so much noise SpeedEvil? |
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| 08:08.12 | borza | 0.6G is a LOT of noise |
| 08:09.11 | SpeedEvil | 16mG |
| 08:09.16 | SpeedEvil | not 0.6G |
| 08:09.51 | SpeedEvil | That's 16cm/s^2 - a velocity uncertainty of 16cm/s after 1s |
| 08:10.20 | ScaredyCat | tries to understand.... |
| 08:10.35 | ScaredyCat | if they are so bad - why have them? |
| 08:10.47 | SpeedEvil | They are not bad - for some purposes. |
| 08:10.51 | borza | it was probably a misunderstanding - i said 0.03G and you said 20* and then i multiplied |
| 08:11.26 | SpeedEvil | .03G is _substantially_ worse than the ADXL303 type device in the Wii can do - if used properly with correct input circuitry. |
| 08:11.27 | ScaredyCat | ok, so what uses are 'good' ones |
| 08:11.29 | borza | do you have a phone near you, I am curios what values does the accel generate when you keep it on the table |
| 08:11.48 | SpeedEvil | The datasheet - when I last looked at it - diddn't admit any noise. |
| 08:11.58 | ScaredyCat | shake to wake == good? (since it's fairly violent) |
| 08:12.15 | SpeedEvil | Simply the quantisation error that comes from putting a +-2G range into 8 bits. |
| 08:12.25 | SpeedEvil | To put this into perspective. |
| 08:12.28 | ScaredyCat | portrait to landscape == good? |
| 08:13.04 | SpeedEvil | The ADXL303 type chips can get an angular accuracy - measuring where down is - to within about .3 degrees or so. |
| 08:13.25 | SpeedEvil | The one in the freerunner will measure it to maybe 3-4 degrees. |
| 08:13.41 | ScaredyCat | ok, well, that's not so bad then is it.. |
| 08:13.43 | SpeedEvil | So you can see that they are far from useless - just that they are not as useful as they might be. |
| 08:13.57 | SpeedEvil | The problem comes in applications where you try to push the limits. |
| 08:14.03 | ScaredyCat | right... |
| 08:14.13 | SpeedEvil | For example, using them to measure secondary effects - like rotations. |
| 08:14.16 | borza | I'm looking from the acceleromter gestures perspective to these accelerometers |
| 08:14.30 | SpeedEvil | Which they basically can't do - unless htey are very violent. |
| 08:14.32 | SpeedEvil | Ooops |
| 08:14.40 | SpeedEvil | to clarify - rotations about the gravity axis. |
| 08:14.41 | ScaredyCat | I liked the idea someone came up with.... |
| 08:15.05 | ScaredyCat | the phone rings, you don;t want to answer it so you turn it face down and it mutes the ring |
| 08:15.49 | SpeedEvil | That sort of stuff is all fairly simple and possible. (if you're not in motion) |
| 08:15.59 | borza | how about, the phone rings, you pick it up and take it to your ear, and it answers automatically |
| 08:16.10 | SpeedEvil | that too - it's on the wiki somewhere |
| 08:16.35 | borza | i wrote about it on the list devel |
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| 08:16.41 | borza | for the gsoc |
| 08:16.58 | SpeedEvil | Utterly not worth $4000 |
| 08:17.16 | SpeedEvil | A generalised gesture framework - yes |
| 08:17.37 | ScaredyCat | learning gesture system... ? |
| 08:17.53 | borza | of course, i was not talking about a single gesture |
| 08:17.55 | ScaredyCat | teach it the gesture for an action... |
| 08:18.11 | borza | exactly |
| 08:18.41 | borza | you could define your own gestures and associate them to actions |
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| 08:25.33 | SpeedEvil | On gestures - http://youtube.com/watch?v=aXdtUISSHuo |
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| 08:49.39 | robtaylor | stefan_schmidt: pong? |
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| 08:51.07 | torpor | hi guys |
| 08:51.26 | torpor | i'm going to get the group buy going for the freerunner - has anyone got the URL for that page on the wiki handy? |
| 08:52.04 | thos | ScaredyCat, yeah, did you try my theme yet :-P |
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| 08:55.54 | mbuf | torpor, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_Local_Groups ? |
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| 09:10.23 | ScaredyCat | torpor: yes |
| 09:10.38 | torpor | great thanks mbuf |
| 09:10.46 | torpor | i'm going to get a 10pack of freerunners ASAP .. |
| 09:11.13 | ScaredyCat | can you increase the size of the tnof in combo/dropdown boxes |
| 09:12.41 | ScaredyCat | has a 10 pack.... |
| 09:12.59 | ScaredyCat | imaginary 10 pack for imaginary friends... |
| 09:13.09 | mjr | has his 10-pack full :) |
| 09:14.05 | mbuf | is there an ncurses interface available on the Neo, instead of matchbox? |
| 09:14.23 | mjr | "no, but you're welcome to do it" |
| 09:14.33 | mbuf | mjr, ok |
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| 09:14.51 | mjr | there's already someone setting up a second 10-pack for Helsinki :) |
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| 09:15.39 | ljp | ScaredyCat: why no qtopia phone images at buildhost.automated.it? |
| 09:15.41 | torpor | i wanna order ASAP |
| 09:16.51 | ScaredyCat | ljp: gimmie 10 mins, I've built it... but I haven't done my rsync |
| 09:17.55 | mjr | hm, anyone doing/done call recording software yet btw? |
| 09:18.01 | ScaredyCat | it's on my build schedule so it'll happen magically now.. |
| 09:18.21 | ScaredyCat | did have a strange problem with it though,,,, |
| 09:18.34 | ScaredyCat | no gsm stuff, didn't see the network at all :( |
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| 09:29.18 | thos | hrm |
| 09:29.24 | thos | ScaredyCat, where you trying to talk to me? |
| 09:29.35 | ScaredyCat | trying? |
| 09:29.38 | ScaredyCat | what? |
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| 09:32.14 | ScaredyCat | ahh.. now I see it |
| 09:32.28 | ScaredyCat | thos: yes |
| 09:32.41 | ScaredyCat | [2008-04-15 10:09:16] <ScaredyCat> can you increase the size of the tnof in combo/dropdown boxes |
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| 09:34.15 | ljp | ScaredyCat: gta01? |
| 09:34.22 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 09:35.05 | ljp | i will look into that tomorrow,. been working on 4.4 lately |
| 09:35.05 | ScaredyCat | there's an image upthere now and the ipks are being uploaded |
| 09:35.11 | ScaredyCat | ah ok |
| 09:35.25 | ljp | thanks |
| 09:41.16 | ScaredyCat | np |
| 09:43.04 | ljp | whats the qtopia-core image? |
| 09:44.22 | thos | ScaredyCat, the tnof? |
| 09:44.44 | ScaredyCat | ljp: ignore it... |
| 09:44.52 | ScaredyCat | it's just the base system |
| 09:45.02 | ScaredyCat | thos: font |
| 09:45.57 | thos | oh |
| 09:46.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1348 has been created by reddog(AT)mastersword.de |
| 09:46.01 | cdbot2 | * * Can't figure out how much mony is left on my prepaid card |
| 09:46.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1348 |
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| 10:35.45 | ScaredyCat | http://vanderled.com/onlinestore/product_info.php/cPath/49_48_54/products_id/80 |
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| 10:38.36 | CM | ScaredyCat: Hehe.. I like the * Little bit waterproof |
| 10:38.44 | ScaredyCat | hehe yeah |
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| 11:59.30 | cb22 | afternoon :) |
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| 12:14.43 | spyre | mickeyl: Hi, have you tried/looked at gsmd? :) |
| 12:14.59 | spyre | +2 |
| 12:16.39 | mickeyl | spyre: only briefly, there's just too much going on *sigh* |
| 12:17.02 | mickeyl | spyre: I will do the changes in the fso API we talked about this week (moving certain functions from PB and SMS to SIM) |
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| 12:17.24 | mickeyl | i'll also (finally) publish the whole framework idea on the wiki this week |
| 12:17.25 | spyre | mickeyl: Good, actually I had couple of other comments about API aswell |
| 12:17.33 | mickeyl | so we all have a better idea how this should work as a whole |
| 12:17.34 | CM | Interesting :) |
| 12:17.48 | spyre | mickeyl: IMHO the wiki needs to be reordered |
| 12:18.08 | spyre | mickeyl: hepaajan also thought about adding an entry ot the wiki about gsmd2 |
| 12:18.23 | mickeyl | spyre: sure thing, please go ahead and do what's necessary- |
| 12:18.38 | mickeyl | i finally settled on a documentation format |
| 12:18.45 | mickeyl | a small xslt transfer sheet will do it |
| 12:18.54 | mickeyl | at least we can get away from doing <!---- ;) |
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| 12:19.10 | mickeyl | will write to the mailing list tomorrow |
| 12:19.12 | spyre | reordering the wiki is not something I'd feel comfortable doing, but I think we'll add gsmd2 entry there though :) |
| 12:19.25 | spyre | mickeyl: sounds good :) |
| 12:19.40 | mickeyl | spyre: understood, then feel free to write the API comments and the Reordering needs to the mailing list and I'll take the job :) |
| 12:21.10 | spyre | mickeyl: I don't have an exact idea what to do with it, but I recall walking to at least two persons desk to point out how to find freesmartphone's repository url in the wiki ;) |
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| 12:21.47 | spyre | mickeyl: org.freesmartphone.Network.ListProviders and RegisterWithProvider, how about replacing index with provider code/signatur that at+cops commands use? |
| 12:24.08 | spyre | mickeyl: Call interface could also have somekind of List methods (ListCalls?) and also what should Phonebook.GetStorageInfo return? |
| 12:24.16 | mickeyl | spyre: hehe, right, the code needs to be more visible |
| 12:24.32 | mickeyl | ok, one step after another |
| 12:24.40 | mickeyl | i thought we do it by email, but ok with me here |
| 12:24.56 | spyre | mickeyl: I was just about to ask I you'd prefer I'd email about these :) |
| 12:24.58 | mickeyl | org.freesmartphone.Network.ListProviders and RegisterWithProvider: yes, index should be the numerical index. makes much sense |
| 12:26.07 | mickeyl | ListActiveCalls |
| 12:26.12 | mickeyl | i _swear_ it was in there :) |
| 12:26.18 | mickeyl | must have been dropped by edits |
| 12:26.21 | mickeyl | will readd it again |
| 12:26.31 | spyre | ok :) |
| 12:26.42 | mickeyl | phonebook.getstorage... phew |
| 12:26.56 | mickeyl | actually |
| 12:26.56 | mickeyl | i want to get rid of phonebook |
| 12:26.56 | mickeyl | let me explain |
| 12:27.11 | mickeyl | phonebook was supposed to be the low level interface matching closely the 07.07 spec |
| 12:27.19 | mickeyl | but that is insane to support. so many features we don't need |
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| 12:27.37 | mickeyl | so i think we add the storage-based high level interface |
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| 12:27.45 | mickeyl | and put a small subset of phonebook to the SIM |
| 12:28.00 | mickeyl | just enough to be able to copy entries between main memory and SIM |
| 12:28.08 | mickeyl | we're not a feature phone ;) |
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| 12:28.18 | spyre | mickeyl: ok :) |
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| 12:30.49 | spyre | mickeyl: gsmd2 currently supports a great deal of fso api.. there are some methods (like the getstorageinfo) that I was never quite sure which at commands they "map" to |
| 12:31.27 | spyre | mickeyl: I was thinking that something to clarify that would be good to add to wiki |
| 12:31.35 | spyre | mickeyl: for example Release -> AT+CHUP |
| 12:31.43 | mickeyl | aah |
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| 12:31.48 | mickeyl | that's actually a good idea |
| 12:31.57 | mickeyl | where the mapping is direct, we should add hints on how to implement this |
| 12:32.03 | mickeyl | so people have an idea what we're talking about |
| 12:32.04 | mickeyl | heh |
| 12:32.08 | spyre | mickeyl: yep :) |
| 12:32.26 | mickeyl | understood. but this should be all part of the xml file in doc entries |
| 12:32.34 | mickeyl | i want the wiki to only contain high level docu |
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| 12:32.44 | mickeyl | linking to the actual docparsed files in svn |
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| 12:32.52 | mickeyl | so we don't have to keep both current |
| 12:33.09 | spyre | mickeyl: exactly |
| 12:33.35 | mickeyl | ~lart dbus team for not having thought about that right from the start |
| 12:33.35 | apt | gives dbus team an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending dbus team to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple for not having thought about that right from the start |
| 12:34.24 | spyre | mickeyl: if you make some basis for this "mapping" to the xml files in the doc entries, I can help out with the one's I've figured out with gsmd2 ;) |
| 12:34.37 | mickeyl | spyre: deal! :) |
| 12:34.40 | mickeyl | nots |
| 12:34.44 | mickeyl | notes, even |
| 12:35.30 | spyre | mickeyl: We could also have some example replies added there aswell |
| 12:35.56 | spyre | gsm modem's replies to those commands I mean |
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| 12:38.22 | mickeyl | oh yeah, definitely |
| 12:38.39 | mickeyl | that turns the fs.o doc into a nice manual that's even helpful for people implementing 07.07 |
| 12:38.50 | mickeyl | because the spec is .... *censored* :D) |
| 12:39.00 | spyre | tell em about out.. *sigh* |
| 12:39.08 | spyre | me |
| 12:39.40 | spyre | I have some replies from modem in gsmd2's comments so I can add them aswell |
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| 12:40.25 | mickeyl | cool |
| 12:40.36 | mickeyl | ok, this is top priority. i try to get this started this week |
| 12:40.59 | mickeyl | sparetime is overrated |
| 12:41.00 | mickeyl | *cough* |
| 12:42.31 | ScaredyCat | *blink* |
| 12:45.02 | spyre | mickeyl: :D |
| 12:45.51 | spyre | mickeyl: I would also like to have those deprecated methods removed so I don't accidentally implement them :) |
| 12:46.24 | spyre | mickeyl: btw I don't know if you noticed, I added rudimentary muxing support for gsmd2. I'll have to test it once I get proper hardware |
| 12:47.26 | mickeyl | did you implement 07.10 in gsmd2 or use gsmd0710muxd |
| 12:47.26 | mickeyl | ? |
| 12:47.37 | mickeyl | (remove deprecated methods) yes! |
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| 12:48.12 | spyre | mickeyl: added support for having several serial ports, so by using gsmd0710muxd |
| 12:49.09 | mickeyl | excellent |
| 12:49.22 | mickeyl | gsm0710muxd feels really good. i love its API |
| 12:49.35 | mickeyl | it may have some problems still (concerning PSOC), but we can iron that out |
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| 12:50.09 | mickeyl | it's so good I even stop talking about a kernel MUXer :D |
| 12:50.14 | mickeyl | emdete, do you hear me? :) |
| 12:50.22 | spyre | heheh :) |
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| 13:36.37 | emdete | re |
| 13:37.21 | emdete | mickey|bbiab: :D thanks alot... nice to head. |
| 13:37.27 | emdete | s/head/hear/ |
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| 13:38.33 | emdete | spyre: if you encounter any problems with gsmd0710muxd please let me know, i will take a look on it immediatly |
| 13:39.52 | mjr | should install the muxer myself... but too busy with other stuff |
| 13:40.01 | mjr | holiday next week, yum |
| 13:41.04 | spyre | emdete: sure thing |
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| 13:49.13 | emdete | mjr: with the right gsmd on top you don't even feel the muxer |
| 13:49.29 | emdete | ;) |
| 13:49.30 | mickey|bbiab | smiles |
| 13:49.33 | mickey|bbiab | "with the right gsmd" |
| 13:49.50 | emdete | mickeyl: yes, i.e. libgsmd with your wrapper ;) |
| 13:51.05 | mickeyl | *cough* |
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| 13:51.36 | mickeyl | starts cleaning up http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenmokoFramework with throwing away the old page |
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| 14:03.58 | pyknite | TRIsoft: idle? |
| 14:04.16 | TRIsoft | pyknite: Yep |
| 14:04.29 | pyknite | i've a question |
| 14:04.35 | pyknite | for preorder |
| 14:05.51 | TRIsoft | pyknite: Yes |
| 14:05.56 | pyknite | TRIsoft: I want to preorder in your shop, but my creditcard dont allow me to buy on internet (i have a postcard from the swiss post) |
| 14:07.17 | pyknite | TRIsoft: but I can pay with an IBAN, so can I complete the form on you website and pay by IBAN after? |
| 14:07.46 | TRIsoft | pyknite: No problem. Just write "pay in advance" in the credit card field |
| 14:08.04 | pyknite | ok |
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| 14:08.12 | pyknite | thx |
| 14:10.52 | pyknite | ok, preordering done ;) |
| 14:12.36 | TRIsoft | pyknite: :-) |
| 14:13.42 | pyknite | TRIsoft: I juste forget my mail in the first command, I added them in a other command |
| 14:15.36 | maroi | TRIsoft, maybe you should add a title above email and telephone number because if you don't add a "lieferaddresse" you overlook those fields |
| 14:16.58 | SpeedEvil | reads discussion on orange neos on community. |
| 14:17.06 | SpeedEvil | wants mithril! |
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| 14:17.56 | ScaredyCat | can anyone get to http://www.angstrom-distribution.org or is it farked for you all too ? |
| 14:18.16 | SpeedEvil | ... |
| 14:18.18 | SpeedEvil | stalled |
| 14:18.26 | DPThought | whatever farked it, it probably is :) |
| 14:18.33 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: should go for goldplating... appeal to the 'early bling adopters' |
| 14:18.36 | SpeedEvil | Still going. |
| 14:18.47 | SpeedEvil | Yeah - but mithril is more scratchproof. |
| 14:18.55 | SpeedEvil | And lighter. |
| 14:19.01 | pyknite | ScaredyCat: don't work for me |
| 14:19.08 | ScaredyCat | :( |
| 14:19.10 | ScaredyCat | thanks |
| 14:19.23 | pyknite | ScaredyCat: np ;) |
| 14:20.15 | DPThought | the community list is becmming more and more useless. Why can't people understand that all hardware design is more or less fixed. All that wasted efford for usesless discussions. :( |
| 14:21.03 | ScaredyCat | rubbish.. I can still get my hardware keyboard added before the end of the week ;) |
| 14:21.32 | DPThought | ScaredyCat: with some hot glue perhaps... :) |
| 14:23.13 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4361 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/ (configure.ac opkg.h.in): opkg: remove redundant opkg.h.in |
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| 14:25.48 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 14:27.24 | TRIsoft | maroi: Thanks for the hint. A few people managed to order w/o email and phone#. Makes it pretty hard to contact them ;-) |
| 14:28.09 | maroi | TRIsoft, same would've happend to me but i did not yet send the preorder ;) |
| 14:28.28 | maroi | oops, was that sentence correct? |
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| 14:28.59 | TRIsoft | maroi: I think so |
| 14:29.47 | maroi | ok thx ;) |
| 14:29.51 | trickie_ | TRIsoft: yeah one of those people was me :) |
| 14:30.01 | trickie_ | sorted now though, ta |
| 14:30.34 | maroi | .oO( or add a script that checks the contents of the required fields... ) |
| 14:31.19 | zash | INPUT VALIDATION! |
| 14:32.02 | ScaredyCat | wtf |
| 14:32.12 | zash | gah |
| 14:32.37 | thos | ScaredyCat, we could make the whole interface font bigger of course |
| 14:32.38 | TRIsoft | maroi: And people complaining about using JavaScript and stuff... No thanks. |
| 14:32.51 | maroi | you don't have to use javascript for that.. |
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| 14:33.20 | TRIsoft | maroi: Sure, and i admit that the preorder thingy was quick'n'dirty. But it's safe and it works. |
| 14:33.22 | zash | TRIsoft: the preorder link in the left column leads to yoss.de and my browser complains about the cert being for www. |
| 14:33.29 | zash | this page: http://www.trisoft.de/en_freerunner.htm |
| 14:33.57 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4362 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/ (Makefile.am opkg.c opkg.h): |
| 14:33.57 | CIA-41 | openmoko: opkg: start new libopkg api in opkg.{c,h} and remove all other header files |
| 14:33.57 | CIA-41 | openmoko: from being copied to includes |
| 14:34.00 | TRIsoft | zash: cert is for yoss.de - that's our shop server. |
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| 14:34.39 | ScaredyCat | thos: yes, I think that would be good... |
| 14:35.24 | ScaredyCat | TRIsoft: why aren't you called yoss then ? |
| 14:35.36 | thos | ScaredyCat, any preference? there is a gconf key for it |
| 14:36.00 | ScaredyCat | big enought for fat fingers :) |
| 14:36.03 | ScaredyCat | enough |
| 14:37.33 | wurp2|away | Is there a US preorder now? I paged back through preorder conversation, but I don't see any US link... |
| 14:38.20 | ScaredyCat | £100 off hte iphone tommorrow @ o2 (uk) |
| 14:38.24 | summatusmentis | wurp2: I didn't see any eaither a couple of days ago |
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| 14:38.53 | SpeedEvil | was surprised to see 1TB drives at 99 quid. |
| 14:39.09 | thos | ooh, where? |
| 14:39.20 | ScaredyCat | 1tb 99 quid? |
| 14:39.21 | Stephmw | ebuyer wasn't it? |
| 14:39.22 | ScaredyCat | wtf |
| 14:39.40 | ScaredyCat | straps it to the back of neo |
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| 14:39.46 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
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| 14:40.06 | zash | ScaredyCat: but how to power the drive? |
| 14:40.39 | ScaredyCat | a small child riding a bicycle with a dynamo.. |
| 14:40.47 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:40.56 | zash | haha |
| 14:41.15 | SpeedEvil | tholin_: |
| 14:41.17 | SpeedEvil | http://www.ebuyer.com/product/143288 |
| 14:41.19 | SpeedEvil | shos: |
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| 14:42.33 | thos | SpeedEvil, "thos" :-P |
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| 14:52.11 | ScaredyCat | heheheh |
| 14:52.12 | ScaredyCat | http://ucp.uncommonpics.com/piles/?s=programbeauty |
| 14:52.24 | wurp2 | summatusmentis: thanks |
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| 14:52.47 | wurp2 | How is everyone getting their neo to recognize their bt keyboards? |
| 14:53.01 | wurp2 | I wrote a little script that I created a .desktop for, but it's not optimal |
| 14:53.04 | summatusmentis | wurp2: depending on where in the US you are, I'd be open to willing to go in on a pack of FreeRunner w/ you |
| 14:53.13 | Stephmw | hands wurp2 the physical debugger, also known as "Sledgehammer" |
| 14:53.16 | wurp2 | I had to put a couple of sleeps in it, and I just have to keep hitting enter until it works |
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| 14:53.41 | wurp2 | summatusmentis: Dallas/Fort Worth area. Very far from you, I think. |
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| 14:55.10 | ScaredyCat | wurp2: really? |
| 14:55.16 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: yep |
| 14:55.22 | ScaredyCat | i just enale bt and issue a connect |
| 14:55.25 | ScaredyCat | enable |
| 14:55.39 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: Issue a connect by typing w/ the stylus? |
| 14:56.00 | wurp2 | My script turns on bt, waits a second or two, then does hidd -search |
| 14:56.28 | ScaredyCat | a lil script |
| 14:56.29 | ScaredyCat | KB=`hcitool scan | grep "Think Outside Keyboard"| awk '{print $1}'` |
| 14:56.29 | ScaredyCat | hidd --connect $KB |
| 14:56.41 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: Heh, that's my kbd name |
| 14:56.56 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: You run the script by hand, or by .desktop? |
| 14:57.01 | wurp2 | That was my real point |
| 14:57.14 | wurp2 | Having to type w/ the stylus to get the keyboard working offends me :-) |
| 14:57.23 | ScaredyCat | yes.. it's painful. |
| 14:57.32 | ScaredyCat | ssh works though ;P |
| 14:57.42 | wurp2 | Yeah, but if I have ssh, I don't need my bt kbd |
| 14:57.57 | ScaredyCat | ;) |
| 14:58.01 | wurp2 | That pretty much answers my question though |
| 14:58.07 | wurp2 | My script is about as good as it gets so far |
| 14:58.20 | ScaredyCat | I just put my script in /sbin |
| 14:58.34 | wurp2 | I only have to do one click - on my script. No typing except on the bt kbd |
| 14:58.56 | ScaredyCat | yeah... I cba to do the .desktop bit, |
| 14:59.01 | ScaredyCat | <-------------lazy mofo |
| 14:59.23 | wurp2 | I can't be bothered to type the name of the script every time |
| 14:59.27 | wurp2 | <------------ lazier mofo |
| 15:00.05 | wurp2 | I have also noticed that hidd --search seems to fail every time thereafter if I run it before the kbd is on |
| 15:00.13 | wurp2 | I have to shut down & restart bt then |
| 15:00.36 | wurp2 | So my script always turns off bt, waits a second, turns it back on, waits a second, does hidd --search |
| 15:00.58 | ScaredyCat | fairy nuff |
| 15:01.20 | wurp2 | I have a script that I run after every jffs2 burn, which puts my .desktop file back in /usr/share/applications, so maintenance is minimal |
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| 15:05.52 | TRIsoft | ScaredyCat: It's an old project. "Your Own Shop Server". We seperate between Website and Shop. |
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| 15:25.08 | unknown_lamer | oh this is beautiful |
| 15:25.19 | unknown_lamer | I can load a fairly heavy stack of systems into clisp and it is still using under 10M of memory |
| 15:25.34 | unknown_lamer | mmm gui toolkit and everything I need with fairly low memory use |
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| 15:40.53 | thos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:47.44 | unknown_lamer | thos: Lisp in the 80s is about ten years ahead of where we are now with C and UNIX :-) |
| 15:47.56 | unknown_lamer | thos: I'll gladly travel back in time! |
| 15:48.11 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 15:48.11 | unknown_lamer | now I have to wonder whether mcclim works single threaded |
| 15:48.28 | unknown_lamer | and if it uses less than 100M of heap in clisp |
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| 15:51.54 | unknown_lamer | oh nice the bleeding edge clx does RENDER now too |
| 15:52.19 | unknown_lamer | if only getting libffcall working wasn't making me want to stab things |
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| 16:03.46 | thos | unknown_lamer, pffft, C is timeless :-P |
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| 16:04.44 | unknown_lamer | wow ... 10M of use with mcclim |
| 16:04.44 | unknown_lamer | jesus christ is sbcl a memory hog |
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| 16:24.15 | wurp2 | unknown_lamer: 10M w/ just gtk & core libraries? |
| 16:24.39 | wurp2 | unknown_lamer: 'cause python runs in 1M in that situation, and I was complaining about it... |
| 16:26.30 | unknown_lamer | wurp2: 10M with an oodb, gtk, xml parser/generator (with SAX, DOM, Klacks, and STP), a large utility lib (including a full code walker), another large utility lib, a library of generic containers, a contraint/data-flow library, gtk, ... |
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| 16:28.40 | unknown_lamer | wurp2: plus the built in regex library, syscalls interface, bdb interface, clx, i18n lib, and readline |
| 16:28.52 | unknown_lamer | which I should disable since I use none of them |
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| 16:29.04 | unknown_lamer | probably save 2-3M of heap use |
| 16:29.53 | wurp2 | I will play w/ python for a comparison |
| 16:30.14 | wurp2 | I just had gtk, xml, re - the containers are built in |
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| 16:30.26 | unknown_lamer | is there an oodb for python |
| 16:30.26 | wurp2 | I just expected super-low memory usage from lisp |
| 16:30.37 | unknown_lamer | are you sure that python has something similar to cl-containers? |
| 16:30.41 | wurp2 | oh yeah, oodb may be a giant part of that |
| 16:30.43 | zedstar_ | u need Scheme for that ;) |
| 16:30.48 | wurp2 | prolly not similar |
| 16:30.59 | unknown_lamer | as Lisp has built in datastructures naturally (quite the wide range of them in fact) |
| 16:31.02 | wurp2 | but the containers are built-in |
| 16:31.21 | unknown_lamer | http://common-lisp.net/project/cl-containers/documentation/metabang.cl-containers-package/index.html |
| 16:31.30 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4363 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/ (opkg.c opkg.h opkg_conf.c opkg_conf.h): opkg: implement opkg_set_option() and opkg_get_option() |
| 16:31.47 | unknown_lamer | The OODB does full orthogonal persistence and has some relational features |
| 16:31.55 | wurp2 | very nice! |
| 16:31.59 | unknown_lamer | plus loading BDB |
| 16:32.09 | wurp2 | I need to learn more about bdb |
| 16:32.17 | wurp2 | I've been hearing a lot about it lately |
| 16:32.28 | unknown_lamer | there isn't much to it -- you have btrees with binary keys and binary data streams |
| 16:32.46 | unknown_lamer | and then efficient functions to query those btrees and maintain indices |
| 16:33.24 | unknown_lamer | you don't use bdb directly with Elephant--just persistent objects and psets |
| 16:34.13 | unknown_lamer | I really wish april 21st would hurry up so I could see which projects lispnyc is doing over the summer (praying for clisp multithreading) |
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| 16:35.23 | SpeedEvil | Blastur: no - I need to upload mine. |
| 16:35.25 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 16:36.19 | unknown_lamer | I'm guess automatic signalling of old applications to exit when memory gets low is going to get added eventually |
| 16:36.39 | SpeedEvil | OOMKILL! |
| 16:36.43 | unknown_lamer | guessing rather -- I want to be ready for that and have an automatically persistent application library setup |
| 16:37.16 | unknown_lamer | oomkill is not nice :-( a friendly SIGTERM would be better (time to run a signal handler to clean up and all) |
| 16:38.08 | unknown_lamer | 'tho just using oomkill would be amusing :-) oh no the kernel chose ... X |
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| 17:02.28 | zedstar_ | unknown_lamer btw how is packaging clisp going? |
| 17:02.51 | unknown_lamer | zedstar_: the configure script won;t complete (it spews expr: invalid expression infinitely at the end) |
| 17:03.04 | unknown_lamer | zedstar_: I'll probably figure out why later today and get an ffi-less clisp package done |
| 17:03.29 | unknown_lamer | I gave up building the toolchain and just installed the binary dist for now so I can more easily see what is going on |
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| 17:03.58 | unknown_lamer | then comes the joy of picking up enough arm assembly to see how libffi does eabi trampolines and then fixing the ffcall trampolines |
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| 17:04.39 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, y0 |
| 17:04.39 | zedstar_ | unknown_lamer there are parts written in assembly? like core parts? |
| 17:04.49 | summatusmentis | hi Sup3rkiddo |
| 17:05.24 | unknown_lamer | ' |
| 17:05.24 | unknown_lamer | That is to say, the non-reentrant version seems to work under scratchbox. But as soon as I move it to the actual device, it segfaults. The reentrant version fails in any case. The problem is, it works fine if I step through it instruction-by-instruction in gdb, which is pretty maddening. I've tried debugging it by adding instructions to shift temporary values into spare registers such as r2 and r3, but can't get it to produce |
| 17:05.24 | unknown_lamer | anything comprehensible.' |
| 17:05.50 | unknown_lamer | zedstar_: there are bits in the trampoline code that need to muck about with the stack (just a couple hundred lines of assembly) |
| 17:06.26 | zedstar_ | unknown_lamers sounds hairy....so u working in scratcbox? |
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| 17:07.17 | unknown_lamer | nah that is from the guy who tried to get it to run on his N810 |
| 17:07.22 | unknown_lamer | http://mat.exon.name/logs/clisp |
| 17:07.40 | unknown_lamer | I'm just using the openembedded stuff to generate a package and dropping that onto the emulated neo1973 |
| 17:08.07 | unknown_lamer | which works fairly well when I ssh into it (the performance of the qemu framebuffer is abysmal though) |
| 17:09.47 | zedstar_ | unknown_lamer ah ok....ive not delved into openembedded much....i built chicken using just the standard cross compiler and then made the ipk from hand |
| 17:11.18 | SpeedEvil | zedstar: thanks. |
| 17:11.29 | SpeedEvil | zedstar: I'd totally forgotten about the chicken in the oven. |
| 17:11.34 | SpeedEvil | wanders off. |
| 17:11.50 | zedstar_ | eats the Chicken |
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| 17:18.43 | wurp2 | WOOHOO!! |
| 17:18.58 | Sup3rkiddo | doh |
| 17:19.09 | wurp2 | Just got confirmation that Google will be flying me to Zurich to do my in-person interview |
| 17:19.30 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, good luck |
| 17:19.39 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: thx :-) |
| 17:20.25 | summatusmentis | wurp2: awesome!!! |
| 17:21.46 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, steal the source of dalvik while you are at it |
| 17:21.48 | Sup3rkiddo | :P |
| 17:21.52 | Sup3rkiddo | wait..that was lame |
| 17:21.53 | wurp2 | heh |
| 17:22.25 | summatusmentis | wurp2: you can then hire me right? :-P |
| 17:22.40 | Sup3rkiddo | no hire me |
| 17:22.41 | kdean06 | wurp2, For what? |
| 17:22.56 | wurp2 | Yeah, just as soon as they promote me to manager, right before I quit because they made me a manager |
| 17:23.02 | wurp2 | kdean06: software engineer |
| 17:23.14 | wurp2 | working on their unit test infrastructure |
| 17:23.18 | kdean06 | Neat. |
| 17:24.03 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, most importantedly,,,what sort of food do they serve |
| 17:24.17 | wurp2 | I would be dancing a jig, but my current employer might ask me why |
| 17:24.43 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: Not sure - I dunno if the Zurich office has the famous food of the Mtn View office |
| 17:24.55 | Sup3rkiddo | and whats that..clean water? |
| 17:25.55 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: I thunk I heard in the US that they hire 4 star chefs for the lunch room... |
| 17:26.02 | Sup3rkiddo | faints |
| 17:26.14 | Sup3rkiddo | but ramen should do anytime |
| 17:27.04 | wurp2 | http://wistechnology.com/articles/2190/ http://googlemenus.blogspot.com/ |
| 17:27.20 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: I'm allergic to wheat, so no ramen for me :-( |
| 17:28.01 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, :O, what kind of a programmer are you..one who is allergic to ramen..ye gods..the horror/macabre |
| 17:28.25 | kdean06 | I'm thinking of the beers he can't drink. ;( |
| 17:29.07 | wurp2 | kdean06: Yeah, I have to be picky here - I mostly drink Scrimshaw & Grolsch |
| 17:29.25 | wurp2 | But on the German border, I can just get any non-wheat beer meeting German purity laws |
| 17:29.54 | kdean06 | Odd. |
| 17:30.11 | kdean06 | I was sure that wheat was a prohibited items in German beer. |
| 17:30.21 | kdean06 | Barley, Hops, Water and Yeast. |
| 17:31.06 | wurp2 | But they sell wheat beer; not sure if they can call it beer in Germany |
| 17:31.42 | wurp2 | ah, I see |
| 17:31.51 | wurp2 | I knew I drank some beer in Germany that had wheat in it |
| 17:31.53 | wurp2 | Weissbier |
| 17:31.57 | wurp2 | (no esset on my kbd) |
| 17:32.49 | abraxa_ | kdean06: Wheat is permitted (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinheitsgebot#The_text ) |
| 17:32.52 | kdean06 | I beleive in Texas they must call things like Smirnoff Ice "Fruit flavored beer" to avoid stupidity. |
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| 17:33.25 | kdean06 | abraxa_, All I needed was "The Reinheitsgebot is no longer part of German law". |
| 17:33.25 | kdean06 | ;) |
| 17:33.35 | kdean06 | I had no idea it wasn't still in effect. :) |
| 17:33.35 | abraxa_ | kdean06: It is, just under a different name |
| 17:33.43 | kdean06 | Not if it allows wheat. :) |
| 17:34.44 | abraxa_ | It does but such beer is declared as such |
| 17:35.18 | wurp2 | Apparently yeast was not allowed under Rheinheitsgebot, either, though |
| 17:35.24 | abraxa_ | So as long as you stay away from "Weizenbier" (wheat beer), you should be fine |
| 17:35.37 | wurp2 | und Weissbier |
| 17:35.48 | kdean06 | abraxa_, I'm a bit torn here... As a brewer, I kind of have a respect for strict purity standards. As an voluntaryist, I have no respect for laws. So I've pretty much written Reinheitsgebot as an "industry standard assertion". Wheat + Reinheitsgebot to me is about as "Open source" as Simply Machines Forum. :) |
| 17:36.18 | Sup3rkiddo | likes Beck's.. |
| 17:36.34 | Sup3rkiddo | cheapest German brew in India AFAIK |
| 17:36.42 | wurp2 | In my position, I like anything with no wheat that doesn't taste like shit |
| 17:36.54 | abraxa_ | kdean06: I don't see a problem - breweries here mix beer with other ingredients as well, just aren't allowed to sell it as a pure beer and have to label it |
| 17:37.19 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, when you are desparate for an alcohol intake..does it matter ? ;) |
| 17:37.35 | zedstar_ | Sup3rkiddo u have cobra and king fisher beer there or is that something we just have that they claim is Indian beer? |
| 17:37.54 | Sup3rkiddo | zedstar, not cobra |
| 17:37.58 | wurp2 | I'm too old to get desperate for alcohol any more... and I am careful about it, having a couple of alkies in my near-ish family |
| 17:38.20 | kdean06 | abraxa_, I've got nothing against any fermented product. My only complaint is with the representation of a wheat beer as Reinheitsgebot-compliant. The only way it can be true is to ignore the connotation of it, which is deceptive IMO. |
| 17:38.22 | wurp2 | I haven't been drunk since summatusmentis was in middle school ;-) |
| 17:38.26 | Sup3rkiddo | zedstar_, kingfisher is great when you are outta money..but it has glycerol in it, so may cause headaches for some |
| 17:38.36 | Sup3rkiddo | otherwise kf lager is good |
| 17:38.38 | wurp2 | kdean06: Do you feel the same way about beer with yeast in it? |
| 17:38.40 | wurp2 | ;-) |
| 17:38.41 | DerHorst | I haven't been drunk since ... last weekend |
| 17:38.44 | DerHorst | twice |
| 17:38.52 | summatusmentis | wurp2: that's.... too long |
| 17:39.04 | kdean06 | wurp2, Yes and no. |
| 17:39.15 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2 _is_ olf |
| 17:39.18 | Sup3rkiddo | *old |
| 17:39.19 | abraxa_ | kdean06: Ah, I see your point now. And yeah, I would have to agree. I bet no Bavarian would, however :) |
| 17:39.30 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, howdy ho |
| 17:39.31 | wurp2 | I agree too |
| 17:39.36 | wurp2 | I'm just needling |
| 17:39.40 | wurp2 | I should stop |
| 17:39.44 | zedstar_ | sup3rkiddo ah ok interesting......they promote cobra as Indian beer in the uk........i quite like king fisher |
| 17:40.17 | abraxa_ | Ahoy Sup3rkiddo |
| 17:40.44 | Sup3rkiddo | zedstar_, afaik all indian beers have some glycerol...but not sure...kf lager has around 5% alcohol in here |
| 17:40.49 | Sup3rkiddo | which is peanuts |
| 17:41.55 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: 38 is not old ;-) |
| 17:42.18 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, oooho |
| 17:42.30 | Sup3rkiddo | that _is_ not young either |
| 17:42.35 | DerHorst | But it would be interesting, how big is the price-difference between imported German-Beer (Becks at example) and local beer? |
| 17:42.41 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: nope, certainly not |
| 17:42.44 | DerHorst | (In india) |
| 17:42.45 | Sup3rkiddo | bleh |
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| 17:43.49 | kdean06 | Sup3rkiddo, Are you referring to Indian beer meaning "Styles from India" or do you mean "Beers sold in India today" ? |
| 17:44.08 | Sup3rkiddo | DerHorst, depends on where you get it...atleast in my state, we have strict policies on alchohol trade..i can get a kf for 65 bucks..around 600 ml...and 1 dollar is around 40 rupees |
| 17:45.00 | Sup3rkiddo | DerHorst, only government stores can sell liquour...pubs usually charge by pitcher (and i am too poor to get in one of em) |
| 17:46.17 | zedstar_ | wonders how many countries still have state produced beer |
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| 17:46.59 | Sup3rkiddo | :P |
| 17:47.04 | kdean06 | As far as I know, the only glycerol in any beer is the trace amount that MAY be used in the yeast starter. using any kind of refined sugars or sugar alcohols is simply a waste of money. |
| 17:47.04 | Sup3rkiddo | but they are cheap |
| 17:47.16 | ewon | a fellow Irishman lives in Canada |
| 17:47.29 | ewon | he says it's a bad mad booze-wise |
| 17:47.38 | ewon | in that everything is state-controlled |
| 17:47.44 | Sup3rkiddo | kdean06, oh ok...i didnt know that..i was of the impression that indian beers carry a bit more glycerol than normal |
| 17:47.45 | ewon | and booze costs mad money |
| 17:47.50 | Sup3rkiddo | yay |
| 17:47.59 | ewon | mmm, glycerol |
| 17:48.06 | Sup3rkiddo | booze in Goa is the cheapest |
| 17:48.15 | Sup3rkiddo | and so is Pondycherry |
| 17:48.17 | zedstar_ | so are the drugs there :) |
| 17:48.20 | Sup3rkiddo | :P |
| 17:48.23 | kdean06 | The exception is that Guinness Foreign brews are made in Ireland, boiled down to extract, shipped overseas and then reconstituted "locally" to say "Brewed Locally". :) |
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| 17:49.59 | nezza-_- | is the dfu-util compatible to the atmel dfu interface? |
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| 17:50.49 | zedstar_ | i went on a guinness market research survey...we all thought they would give us loads of guinness to drink and we got none! |
| 17:50.56 | Sup3rkiddo | lol |
| 17:51.08 | Sup3rkiddo | beer is precious |
| 17:51.09 | ewon | guiness over here tastes wrong |
| 17:51.42 | DerHorst | I readed once, that the guinness export beer has more alcohol, due to shiptransports and warmer regions |
| 17:52.30 | zedstar_ | i think the guinness sold in the uk is brewed here.....well there is a big brewery in west london anyway |
| 17:52.56 | zedstar_ | oh it closed apparently |
| 17:53.08 | zedstar_ | http://www.workinglives.org/guinness%20site/index.htm |
| 17:53.09 | Sup3rkiddo | #beer |
| 17:53.16 | zedstar_ | yeh now i need a drink |
| 17:53.21 | Sup3rkiddo | damn |
| 17:53.25 | Sup3rkiddo | no money |
| 17:53.29 | kdean06 | zedstar, Big myth. :) Guinness everywhere is brewed the same. The off-flavors tasted in the US and South East asia tend to be caused by mishandling, not different brewing. |
| 17:53.29 | DerHorst | Wikipedia says Guinness Extra Stout (aka "Original") has 4,1% Vol and the Exported 5,0 to 8,0 %Vol |
| 17:54.54 | DerHorst | kdean06: Wikipedia [German Version] tells, that different reciepes are used in different countrys |
| 17:54.55 | kdean06 | Well, perhaps that's too blanket. :) The "original" Guinness. :) |
| 17:55.46 | zedstar_ | my understanding was guinness was about 4% |
| 17:55.51 | zedstar_ | not too strong |
| 17:56.00 | Sup3rkiddo | 4%? |
| 17:56.07 | Sup3rkiddo | thats lower than lager |
| 17:56.08 | kdean06 | DerHorst, Guinness is a brewery, they do several types of beer. Their "original" stout, the one you'd get if you said "Gimme a Guinness" is all the same. They do have Foreign stouts and those are different recipes depending on the locale, but they're different recipes. :) |
| 17:56.23 | DerHorst | Ahhhh |
| 17:56.35 | DerHorst | Thanky kdean06 I have misunderstood |
| 17:56.59 | zedstar_ | sup3rkiddo well u can get quite a lot of weak lager in pubs in the uk |
| 17:57.00 | kdean06 | DerHorst, You're right. The Foreign brews ARE different, and they're weird because they're some of the few beers brewed from extract. :) |
| 17:57.27 | kdean06 | Saying lager has an alcohol content is like saying water is cold. :P |
| 17:57.28 | zedstar_ | so 4% is kinda average |
| 17:57.41 | Sup3rkiddo | oh |
| 17:57.50 | Sup3rkiddo | is a new alcoholic |
| 17:58.01 | CVirus | "I long so much away" .... What does it mean ? |
| 17:59.16 | kdean06 | Most American or Japanese rice beers are lagers and in the 5% range, but some lagers can get into the 10% range. Lager simply describes the fermentation done in cold temps. It can sometimes also refer to the kind of yeast but with modern hybrid yeasts it's a bit... innacturate. |
| 18:00.00 | abraxa_ | kdean06: I see your passion lies within non-techy subjects as well :) |
| 18:00.16 | kdean06 | I like beer. :) |
| 18:00.24 | kdean06 | It's a great hobby and kills a ton of time. |
| 18:00.30 | CVirus | lol |
| 18:00.33 | kdean06 | And teaches patience to stones. |
| 18:00.33 | zedstar_ | i had a phase ok drinking 50% Raki......i dont recommend that :) |
| 18:00.37 | CVirus | and brain cells too |
| 18:02.31 | wurp2 | 50% Raki? As in 100 proof? |
| 18:02.39 | zedstar_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raki_%28alcoholic_beverage%29 |
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| 18:03.46 | zedstar_ | lived in istanbul for a couple of years and picked up the habit but it is pretty dangerous drink i think |
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| 18:21.39 | summatusmentis | I hate philosophy courses |
| 18:22.15 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, hey you can catch up on some sleep during the classes |
| 18:22.26 | summatusmentis | not really... we have a small class |
| 18:22.31 | summatusmentis | I go to a school of 1700 |
| 18:23.01 | Sup3rkiddo | is part of a strenght of 66 students |
| 18:28.23 | summatusmentis | Sup3rkiddo: seen anything change on your apps? |
| 18:28.30 | wurp2 | summatusmentis: I took philosophy logic as my philo course |
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| 18:28.54 | summatusmentis | wurp2: taking International and Biomedical Ethics |
| 18:29.02 | wurp2 | It was mostly proofs using logic operators, which was like the kindergarten version of the graduate Algebra course I was taking at the same time |
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| 18:30.55 | wurp2 | I should have taken something to make me a more rounded person |
| 18:31.02 | wurp2 | Like an in-depth study of hedonism or something |
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| 18:34.55 | zedstar_ | yeh im becoming more interested in social science as i age |
| 18:35.15 | unknown_lamer | summatusmentis: philosophy is fun! |
| 18:35.29 | summatusmentis | not at all |
| 18:35.37 | unknown_lamer | lies what are you doing |
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| 18:36.43 | summatusmentis | International/Biomedical Ethics |
| 18:37.03 | summatusmentis | might just be the prof, but personally, philosophy seems to be just a huge mental circle jerk |
| 18:37.04 | unknown_lamer | that is a lame philosophy course |
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| 18:37.10 | summatusmentis | yes, it is |
| 18:37.22 | unknown_lamer | epistomology is important for automagic reasoning systems |
| 18:37.37 | unknown_lamer | ethics in general is useful but ... biomedical ethics wtf |
| 18:37.40 | kdean06 | Basic question... How do I launch an app on my Neo from SSH? I want it to open locally to see the console output... |
| 18:38.04 | unknown_lamer | kdean06: you should be able to just 'export DISPLAY=:0' and run it |
| 18:38.05 | summatusmentis | well, the idea was that these topics would be applicable |
| 18:38.13 | wurp2 | I was kidding, actually |
| 18:38.25 | wurp2 | hedonism makes you rounded by way of gaining weight |
| 18:38.39 | kdean06 | unknown_lamer, Thanks. My brain isn't working, I've been forgetting "export". |
| 18:38.52 | wurp2 | Although I do find that I'm more interested in soft subjects as I grow older. I attribute it to becoming stupider. |
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| 18:39.21 | summatusmentis | class is over, leaving now |
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| 19:38.00 | freelock | anybody have trouble with opkg getting a segmentation fault with a message "fork failed", when installing a package? |
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| 19:45.13 | Spydon | "The Freerunner phone (with wifi) will be released at some time." - Are you sure? :P |
| 19:45.24 | Spydon | shouldnt you add a maybe or something? :P |
| 19:46.10 | abraxa_ | "The Freerunner phone (maybe with wifi) will be released at some time." |
| 19:46.11 | abraxa_ | Better? |
| 19:49.56 | summatusmentis | "The maybe Freerunner maybe phone (maybe with wifi) will maybe be released maybe at some time" |
| 19:50.01 | Spydon | Why should that be better abraxa_ ? :P |
| 19:50.18 | Qwell | "Some phone that may or may not use OpenMoko (and may or may not have wifi) may be released at some point." |
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| 19:50.29 | kdean06 | Maybe. |
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| 19:52.24 | wurp2 | Spydon: You know that things actually sound pretty good for a release early next month? It sounds as if PVT is wrapping up & they're preparing for MP |
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| 19:52.36 | Spydon | Yeah |
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| 19:54.30 | Spydon | Before people always added "maybe" in the title |
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| 19:54.38 | summatusmentis | well, that's because noone had any idea as to actual timing |
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| 19:54.45 | mwester | We still don't |
| 19:54.46 | summatusmentis | but we know we're way closer than we were |
| 19:54.53 | mwester | Yes, that is true. |
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| 19:55.01 | mwester | But OM, I think, is trying to be cautious in case some problem appears in the testing, and they need a few more weeks to resolve it. |
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| 19:55.40 | summatusmentis | of course, but presumably the PVT would've caught that |
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| 19:56.45 | mwester | Presumably, but Murphy is perverse. |
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| 20:05.27 | TAsn | hey, is there a feed to get openmoke progress news? |
| 20:05.58 | jamewill | TAsn, yes you are in it |
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| 20:06.12 | TAsn | the topic? :) |
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| 20:06.23 | SpeedEvil | It's like RSS, but better! |
| 20:06.36 | jamewill | TAsn, try community update on the wiki |
| 20:06.42 | mwester | although the signal to noise ratio is often worse here.... |
| 20:06.43 | abraxa_ | TAsn: lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/ |
| 20:07.18 | TAsn | mwester, that's what i was thinking |
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| 20:08.28 | mwester | has two neos, both sound asleep... and sends an SMS message to each. |
| 20:09.53 | SpeedEvil | awaits results. |
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| 20:10.08 | wurp2 | we quiver with antici |
| 20:10.27 | wurp2 | pation |
| 20:10.30 | mwester | I think the fact that there are no results yet is significant... |
| 20:10.33 | SpeedEvil | does not quiver. |
| 20:10.34 | mwester | :( |
| 20:10.43 | SpeedEvil | is all rock-hard sculpted muscle. |
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| 20:10.51 | mjr | elbow-sexes wurp2 |
| 20:11.12 | mwester | Sigh. One of them actually woke up a few days ago, but I've not been able to figure out what was different to make that actually work. But there clearly is hope. |
| 20:11.13 | wurp2 | Hey now! |
| 20:11.26 | wurp2 | We're all a little too uniformly gendered to start that stuff |
| 20:11.53 | mjr | when you're talking antici |
| 20:11.54 | mwester | Argh! I just heard the GSM in the one closest to the speakers here; the GSM modem is clearly alive and talking. But no resume... |
| 20:11.55 | wurp2 | for my tastes, at least |
| 20:12.01 | mjr | pation, you're never too uniformly gendered |
| 20:12.39 | wurp2 | mjr: ;-) |
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| 21:41.51 | cb22 | holds his breath :-) |
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| 21:45.03 | wurp2 | That only results in drain bamage |
| 21:46.03 | cb22 | hod |
| 21:46.36 | cb22 | sorry my brain is already damaged |
| 21:46.42 | wurp2 | but on the bright side, after a while you might believe you have a FR |
| 21:47.07 | SpeedEvil | hoding breath is easy. |
| 21:47.11 | SpeedEvil | It's very light. |
| 21:47.28 | SpeedEvil | abutters=dairy;meat |
| 21:47.36 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 21:47.49 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: You have freaky oopses |
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| 21:47.58 | wurp2 | One might almost imagine they're only there to intrigue |
| 21:48.16 | SpeedEvil | It was a comment in a mapping channel about mapping tesco. |
| 21:48.24 | SpeedEvil | (a supermarket in the UK) |
| 21:48.34 | wurp2 | I need to set up a bot that takes random lines from sex chat archives & posts them here |
| 21:48.38 | cb22 | thinks back to depleted uranium |
| 21:48.40 | wurp2 | followed shortly by an oops |
| 21:48.59 | SpeedEvil | spanks wurp2 for having a very wicked idea. |
| 21:49.07 | abraxa_ | wurp2: Do it :D |
| 21:49.19 | thos | hi abraxa_ |
| 21:49.20 | cb22 | wurp2, lol! |
| 21:49.25 | wurp2 | dammit, it would only encourage you guys |
| 21:49.45 | wurp2 | I don't want to be spanked by SpeedEvil, tickled by abraxa_, or elbow-sexed by mjr |
| 21:50.37 | cb22 | ahem, iirc abraxa was the bdsm one |
| 21:50.38 | wurp2 | at least, not that I'm willing to admit in a semi-public forum |
| 21:51.04 | cb22 | i have the rope markgl |
| 21:51.06 | mjr | (really, he likes it) |
| 21:51.18 | cb22 | goddamed phones |
| 21:51.32 | wurp2 | goddamned not-sitting-on-my-desk phones |
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| 21:54.38 | [Rui] | hello, I have a friend in Portugal who wants to make a bulk buy of several dozens |
| 21:54.45 | cb22 | yeah i |
| 21:54.52 | cb22 | ooa |
| 21:54.52 | [Rui] | he tells me no one answered him on the website |
| 21:55.12 | [Rui] | can you tell me someone I should direct him to? |
| 21:55.15 | cb22 | oops sorry |
| 21:55.18 | [Rui] | someone who might respond? |
| 21:55.33 | wurp2 | [Rui]: I don't think you can pre-order outside of Europe yet |
| 21:56.06 | wurp2 | You can post on the community update mailing list |
| 21:56.14 | [Rui] | wurp2: that's fine then, inside Europe is where Portugal is, one of our most recent prime ministers is now the president of the european commission ;) |
| 21:56.34 | wurp2 | Sorry, for some reason I was thinking Peru |
| 21:56.35 | wurp2 | :-) |
| 21:56.46 | [Rui] | wurp2: no problem, LOL |
| 21:56.50 | wurp2 | I know where Portugal is ;-) |
| 21:57.13 | cb22 | and i thought i was out of it! |
| 21:57.28 | kdean06 | O-o |
| 21:57.34 | wurp2 | Nope, it was me |
| 21:57.39 | wurp2 | who was out of it ;-) |
| 21:57.53 | [Rui] | what I understood is that through the website he got no answer, so I suppose it's the somewhat usual supernatural chaotic nature :) |
| 21:58.11 | [Rui] | that or he didn't make the right question. |
| 21:58.16 | wurp2 | I still think the best thing is to ask on the community update mailing list |
| 21:58.27 | wurp2 | Even if you're not in South America ;-) |
| 21:59.23 | [Rui] | wurp2: ok, I'll tell him that |
| 21:59.55 | wurp2 | [Rui]: http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/community |
| 21:59.58 | [Rui] | I'm really anxious, my story short: i was already anxious when I had a Nokia 6600, which was resisting all damage as much as I could in order to buy an OpenMoko phone |
| 22:00.12 | [Rui] | then last august I took it for a 20 minute swim at a pool |
| 22:00.29 | [Rui] | it died. completely |
| 22:00.29 | wurp2 | That's one way to force an upgrade |
| 22:00.39 | [Rui] | yeah... but I downgraded, a lot |
| 22:00.56 | [Rui] | because buying one expensive phone after another is not high on my expenses list :) |
| 22:00.58 | wurp2 | ah, so now you'd like to get some kind of smartphone again |
| 22:01.09 | wurp2 | and not waste your money on a non-neo one :-) |
| 22:01.14 | [Rui] | so I bought the cheapest one I could which had bluetooth, expecting OpenMoko in september or october |
| 22:01.24 | [Rui] | it's still resisting :) |
| 22:01.37 | wurp2 | [Rui]: I expected that until January, then gave in and bought a 1973 |
| 22:01.39 | [Rui] | so I'm quite excited about the recent news |
| 22:02.22 | [Rui] | I think that the features of gta02 are quite important for I want to reduce at the maximum possible the number of devices I carry |
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| 22:03.42 | wurp2 | Yeah, the only reason I could justify buying a neo was my bad navigation & its gps |
| 22:03.53 | [Rui] | thank you wurp2 |
| 22:04.06 | wurp2 | you're welcome |
| 22:04.10 | cb22 | hail freerunner! |
| 22:04.15 | wurp2 | Say hi to your friend in Peru ;-) |
| 22:04.21 | SpeedEvil | But the GPS on the neo isn't anywhere near as functional as GPSs on 'competitor' phones. |
| 22:04.33 | wurp2 | The GPS isn't, or the software isn't? |
| 22:04.36 | SpeedEvil | In most cases - due to the lack of mapping sofrtware |
| 22:04.59 | wurp2 | Neo + Navit has kept me happy, but I have nothing to compare it to |
| 22:05.02 | [Rui] | SpeedEvil: it's software |
| 22:05.09 | [Rui] | SpeedEvil: and that will get fixed soon enough |
| 22:05.14 | SpeedEvil | Saying 'it's just software' |
| 22:05.22 | SpeedEvil | does not magically make that software appear. |
| 22:05.25 | mjr | it's also maps, which are less "just" |
| 22:05.39 | wurp2 | mjr: I found good maps for my area (great maps, really) on osm |
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| 22:05.53 | mjr | (but living in a well-osm'd city, I'm relatively well off) |
| 22:05.57 | wurp2 | Dunno how they are for Zurich... if crappy maybe I'll add some |
| 22:05.59 | SpeedEvil | OSM isn't really properly up to routing. |
| 22:06.00 | [Rui] | SpeedEvil: yeah, but OpenMoko is probably not good enough for average joe-mobile-user-with-gps but for me it's a perfectly good start |
| 22:06.11 | mjr | wurp2, found decent maps, made them better ;P |
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| 22:06.13 | SpeedEvil | In some cases it may be adequate. |
| 22:06.15 | [Rui] | a friend and I have some software ideas we'd like to try to implement |
| 22:06.23 | SpeedEvil | But - for example - there is no way to flag turn restrictions. |
| 22:06.46 | SpeedEvil | Or rather - no standard way. |
| 22:06.53 | [Rui] | something like: if this number is in this list, don't even bother me with a signal he's calling |
| 22:07.16 | mjr | SpeedEvil, yeah, hopefully they get that relation thing specced out for it |
| 22:07.17 | SpeedEvil | [Rui]: there is lots of stuff on the wiki |
| 22:07.19 | [Rui] | or if he's on this list and calls more than X times under Y minutes, then stop ignoring and pass the call |
| 22:07.30 | cb22 | perfect for ex-girlfriends |
| 22:07.35 | SpeedEvil | [Rui]: for example, answerphone functionality on the phone itself. |
| 22:07.59 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't ring, it just drops straight to customised answerphone, with variable prompts. |
| 22:08.36 | [Rui] | SpeedEvil: that is something that we envisaged to include |
| 22:08.46 | SpeedEvil | Read the wiki |
| 22:08.57 | SpeedEvil | I think category:calling_featuers |
| 22:11.05 | [Rui] | SpeedEvil: I can't seem to find that, but I'm already too sleepy |
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