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| 00:06.29 | stegozor | Hi guys. Just a newbie question regarding openmoko: is it a software platform like android, or are there open source hardware components with it? |
| 00:07.15 | stegozor | I wanted to add openmoko to dmoz (Open Directory Project) but I'm having a hard time to find the right category so you help would be appreciated |
| 00:07.31 | doc|work | stegozor: hardware too, you have complete control of the device, bar some firmware |
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| 00:07.42 | doc|work | afaik |
| 00:07.49 | vininim | openmoko the company, openmoko the software platform, neo1973/freerunner hardware project from openmoko with opensource in mind. |
| 00:08.03 | doc|work | while the andriod platform can still be locked down by the providers if they so choose last I heard |
| 00:09.00 | stegozor | if I am not mistaken they probably can do the same with openmoko if the customize the OS |
| 00:09.30 | rtm | The Openmoko folks really do seem to release every bit of information they can, without violating nondisclosure agreements. |
| 00:09.34 | doc|work | sure, but then you can flash it |
| 00:10.11 | vininim | I thought he was only wondering about naming schemes. :) |
| 00:10.17 | doc|work | stegozor: that's much the same as saying dell lock down their computers, yet you can always install an OS over the one dell install |
| 00:11.04 | stegozor | sorry for bothering you with that but I don't even have a GSM, I still stick with my pager ;) |
| 00:11.27 | stegozor | is looking at candidate categories |
| 00:11.28 | doc|work | ... |
| 00:11.56 | rtm | You came to the right place - many neo1973 owners don't have GSM yet either. |
| 00:12.11 | doc|work | hah |
| 00:12.20 | rtm | Sorry - it was a cheap shot. |
| 00:12.30 | doc|work | in fairness, they *were* warned :) |
| 00:13.18 | rtm | I'm very happy with my neo. |
| 00:14.08 | stegozor | yay, it will go under http://www.dmoz.org/Computers/Systems/Handhelds/Open_Source/ |
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| 00:29.52 | stegozor | OK, published. Feel free to suggest changes and/or improvements to my description :) |
| 00:32.08 | rtm | stegozor: That looks fine, but you might want to mention it's linux based. |
| 00:34.42 | stegozor | quite right. |
| 00:35.00 | stegozor | it uses more than simply the linux kernel, doesn't it? |
| 00:35.16 | stegozor | I mean, also GNU apps such as the package manager |
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| 00:35.42 | rtm | Well, sure. You wouldn't have much of a product which just the kernel. |
| 00:36.02 | rtm | It would boot quickly. though. |
| 00:36.17 | Qwell | rtm: depends on your market |
| 00:36.31 | Qwell | There are probably 3-4 people out there who wouldn't mind having only a kernel.. |
| 00:36.47 | t_s_o | heh, gnu/linux or linux i take it? |
| 00:37.11 | stegozor | exactly ;) |
| 00:37.33 | stegozor | You might need to refresh your cache, the new description is live |
| 00:38.30 | rtm | stegozor: Great! I'd never heard of Open Directory before. |
| 00:38.56 | stegozor | simple, you're not a lamer when it comes to coding |
| 00:40.00 | stegozor | I wanted to contribute to something open source. Since coding is not really what I do best, and because I'm a lazy guy, I volunteered at dmoz |
| 00:41.00 | stegozor | Google borrows site descriptions from dmoz when possible, so this one will probably appear on their search result in a month or so. |
| 00:41.08 | stegozor | thank you for your help guys, and good luck with this project. It would be nice if my first GSM was a free one :) |
| 00:41.14 | rtm | I think people who are not coders can contribute a lot to open source projects by running new open source code, and reporting the problems they run into. |
| 00:41.57 | stegozor | that's what I'm doing with some mozilla extensions I like along with translations |
| 00:46.43 | stegozor | good night |
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| 03:12.13 | MouseBerry | i want buy a freerunner |
| 03:12.28 | rtm | You are not alone. |
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| 03:13.20 | Tronic_ | I am probably alone, as I do not want to :P |
| 03:13.35 | MouseBerry | how long we will wait,i had wait for a long time |
| 03:14.58 | MouseBerry | i watch its state everyday |
| 03:15.31 | rtm | That's stalking. |
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| 03:16.56 | vininim | MouseBerry: real soon now, and by soon I mean less than 6 months, probably. |
| 03:17.22 | MouseBerry | dear god |
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| 03:18.08 | MouseBerry | i consider it will just a few weeks |
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| 03:55.21 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4350 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-wifi/data/Wifi.png: openmoko-panel-wifi: update WiFi icon (Erin Yueh) |
| 03:55.59 | holycow | hallo moko |
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| 05:22.30 | gregorovius | Hi... I just found about about openmoko... i'd like to know if the freerunner will be available for purchase or if it's just for devs |
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| 05:43.07 | summatusmentis | it'll be available for purchase, the software won't be there yet |
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| 06:51.16 | CVirus | I hope I can buy a FreeRunner before this year ends |
| 06:51.37 | SpeedEvil | Magic-8-ball says 'Ask again later'. |
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| 06:53.32 | CVirus | I just wonder how did the HXD8 go out that fast |
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| 07:00.48 | raster | CVirus: because gta02/freerunner was effectively put on hold while hxd8 was done |
| 07:00.55 | raster | thus why u see delays ion gta02 |
| 07:01.25 | CVirus | The community was never updated or told about the dash express |
| 07:01.39 | raster | nup |
| 07:01.50 | CVirus | why not ! |
| 07:01.57 | raster | as that would reveal the product plans of another company that didnt want its plans revealed |
| 07:02.12 | raster | we could have said "we are busy with something else" |
| 07:02.15 | raster | and not said what |
| 07:02.18 | raster | but hey - dont look at me |
| 07:02.22 | raster | i'm not community relations |
| 07:02.27 | raster | i wasn't even working @ om then |
| 07:02.35 | raster | it was all news to me when i arrived mid-oct |
| 07:02.36 | SpeedEvil | blames raster anyway. |
| 07:02.43 | CVirus | blames raster too |
| 07:02.45 | CVirus | :-p |
| 07:02.49 | raster | :-P |
| 07:03.17 | SpeedEvil | What's the dash - is it basically just the kernel + OM patches + hardware, with the dash thingy runing ont op as one big app? |
| 07:03.18 | CVirus | raster: I want my FreeRunner with E17 running now |
| 07:03.55 | SpeedEvil | And can users add software to the dash, or is it your traditional closed box. |
| 07:04.07 | raster | SpeedEvil: as best i know, closed box |
| 07:04.16 | raster | i gues su could try figure iot out :) |
| 07:04.19 | raster | but its not an open platform |
| 07:04.20 | SpeedEvil | Annoying. |
| 07:04.29 | raster | well not marketed as one etc. |
| 07:04.31 | SpeedEvil | Dash - on Freerunner'd be nice. |
| 07:04.40 | raster | \u can probably hack it as it is similar to the gta01/02 |
| 07:04.52 | CVirus | raster: you got your gta02 yet ? |
| 07:04.57 | raster | the actual navigatgion stuff is all proprietary and closed |
| 07:05.10 | raster | CVirus: yes. but i work @ om - that doesn't count |
| 07:05.20 | CVirus | I know that |
| 07:05.20 | raster | how am i expected to develop stuff for it without it? |
| 07:05.22 | SpeedEvil | raster: I have no problem with closed. As long as there is a price on the website, and I can hit 'buy now' or not as I choose. |
| 07:05.28 | raster | i.e - even know if it will be fast or slow |
| 07:05.30 | raster | or how much |
| 07:05.33 | CVirus | raster: what is the status of the wifi driver ? |
| 07:05.35 | raster | the performance really matters |
| 07:05.39 | raster | dunno |
| 07:05.41 | raster | no idea |
| 07:05.46 | raster | i dont follow wifi |
| 07:05.54 | CVirus | raster: is it at least working for you ? |
| 07:05.59 | raster | never tried it |
| 07:06.02 | CVirus | ah ok |
| 07:07.42 | raster | i hear it works |
| 07:07.45 | raster | thats all i know |
| 07:07.58 | raster | as i've never seen a way to configure it from a gui |
| 07:08.01 | raster | i havent bothered |
| 07:08.25 | CVirus | I see |
| 07:08.37 | CVirus | raster: iwlist eth1 scan |
| 07:08.38 | CVirus | :-p |
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| 07:12.15 | raster | sure |
| 07:12.29 | raster | but i'd need to configure wep key and dhcp request an ip |
| 07:12.30 | raster | etc. et.c |
| 07:12.33 | raster | just couldnt be bothered |
| 07:12.57 | raster | as my gta02 is tethered to usb anyway for testing and power |
| 07:13.10 | raster | we wont be shiping it without a working 802.11 chip |
| 07:13.15 | raster | so when it is available - it will work |
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| 07:15.37 | CVirus | sure thing |
| 07:17.39 | raster | fyi |
| 07:17.50 | raster | iwlist scan does list a bunch of accesspoints herew |
| 07:17.54 | raster | including mine |
| 07:17.56 | raster | :) |
| 07:18.19 | CVirus | :-D |
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| 08:08.46 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 03olv * r4351 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/ (configure.ac src/buttonactions.c): |
| 08:08.46 | CIA-41 | openmoko: * lock pa_threaded_mainloop before accessing pa_context |
| 08:08.46 | CIA-41 | openmoko: * initialize glib thread system |
| 08:08.46 | CIA-41 | openmoko: * fix warnings |
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| 08:13.13 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:22.09 | SpeedEvil | Ah. 'http://i-mode.o2.co.uk/imode_pricing.html' 'O2 is the only operator to offer a simple, single browsing pricing plan with one price for both Pay Monthly and Pay & Go customers.' The plan to choose if you have money to burn! |
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| 11:02.41 | Cap_J_L_Picard | svn: PROPFIND of '/svnroot/repos/bitbake/tags/bitbake-1.8.10': could not connect to server (http://svn.berlios.de) |
| 11:02.44 | Cap_J_L_Picard | ??? |
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| 11:28.58 | Cap_J_L_Picard | is berlios down? |
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| 11:50.49 | RedDog | shity, my local eletronic dealer is so bad .. :( |
| 11:51.44 | CoreDump | conrad? indeed... |
| 11:54.19 | RedDog | no, "ebc utz kohl" |
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| 12:16.55 | Cap_J_L_Picard | is berlios down? |
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| 12:27.48 | abraxa_ | Cap_J_L_Picard: Looks like it |
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| 12:30.44 | zyxell | hi all, starting openmoko in HTC Kaiser is possible ? |
| 12:32.30 | dcordes | zyxell: hi |
| 12:32.37 | dcordes | possible yes |
| 12:33.23 | zyxell | dcordes: and or was this successful anyone already ? |
| 12:33.36 | dcordes | zyxell: no idea |
| 12:34.00 | dcordes | I probably will try and make an image later |
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| 12:35.45 | zyxell | nicely, I keep thumbs |
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| 12:42.28 | dcordes | zyxell: would be more useful to at least have the matrix keyboard working before though |
| 12:45.18 | zyxell | I found in the lattice some of the aspect of the screen for HTC TyTn II somewhere |
| 12:45.38 | zyxell | http://www.mail-archive.com/haret@handhelds.org/msg00562.html |
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| 12:59.42 | dcordes | zyxell: that's obsolete. we already have the display working |
| 13:01.02 | zyxell | ok |
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| 13:01.58 | Cap_J_L_Picard | abraxa_: So a friend of mine manage to confirm. |
| 13:02.16 | Cap_J_L_Picard | abraxa_: no make update then... |
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| 13:17.08 | SpeedEvil | chihchun: get a 12V power supply, and a fan controller from ebay or wherever. |
| 13:17.10 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 13:17.21 | mickeyl | oh that's always a good advise :D |
| 13:27.05 | SpeedEvil | Mischan, as you probably all gathered. |
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| 13:41.14 | jhonny | there is nothing wrong with marrying and getting 2 women in your life even 2 girlfriends. always have a back up and chase 2 or more women. 100's is better |
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| 13:46.26 | abraxa_ | jhonny: How old are you? |
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| 13:48.12 | jhonny | abraxa 70 |
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| 13:49.17 | abraxa_ | I'm surprised you're still alive then. Some of your women might have slaughtered you along the way. |
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| 14:57.46 | nezza-_- | edistar_: ping jo |
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| 15:04.44 | saurabh1403 | hello everyone |
| 15:05.19 | saurabh1403 | i want to know if there will be anyone interested in mentoring a project for speech recognition system on open moko |
| 15:05.45 | saurabh1403 | i have submitted an application for this at GSoC |
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| 15:07.35 | SpeedEvil | Fun. What are you aiming at? |
| 15:09.46 | saurabh1403 | hello, am i being referred here. |
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| 15:11.49 | SpeedEvil | This is probably the right place - it's just that it sounds like nobodies around. |
| 15:12.01 | SpeedEvil | This is a quiet time of day. |
| 15:12.26 | rtm | When is this channel most active, in your experience? |
| 15:12.36 | SpeedEvil | Are you aiming at a few words - 'dial mary' 'dial 0194'... Or full text? |
| 15:12.43 | SpeedEvil | ponders. |
| 15:13.09 | SpeedEvil | maybe another 4 hours for 8-10 hours? |
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| 15:15.33 | saurabh1403 | hello everyone |
| 15:16.21 | SpeedEvil | Hello. |
| 15:16.46 | saurabh1403 | i have applied for openmoko for speech recognition system |
| 15:16.59 | Sup3rkiddo | speaking of GSoC, have mentors been assigned for any proposals..? |
| 15:17.04 | saurabh1403 | i want to know if this is a good project idea this summer or not |
| 15:17.20 | saurabh1403 | is any mentor would be interested in this project |
| 15:19.02 | SpeedEvil | As far as I know - no. |
| 15:19.12 | SpeedEvil | (none ahve been assigned yet. |
| 15:19.22 | rtm | It sounds like a good project, but my understanding is that there aren't a lot of mentors signed up for OM SoC projects. The chances of one of them being well versed in speech recognition probably isn't good. |
| 15:19.22 | Sup3rkiddo | hmm..ok thanks |
| 15:19.25 | SpeedEvil | What sort of speech recognition are you conmtemplating? |
| 15:20.02 | saurabh1403 | i have some experience on speech recognition like recognizing the stored words in the system |
| 15:20.14 | mjr | a system where you preteach some words to the phone might be okay for gsoc, a general one is a huge thing... |
| 15:20.25 | SpeedEvil | A general one is man-centuries of work. |
| 15:20.30 | SpeedEvil | For a good one. |
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| 15:21.08 | rtm | Is there an existing open source speech recognition system that could be ported? |
| 15:21.11 | saurabh1403 | my idea is to let the user store their words in the phone and customize them to do specific tasks when spoken |
| 15:21.21 | saurabh1403 | yes there are some |
| 15:21.23 | SpeedEvil | rtp: as I understand it not really. |
| 15:21.36 | SpeedEvil | rtm: speex - but that's _way_ too resource heavy\ |
| 15:22.15 | saurabh1403 | "Sphinx" is such an open source project on speech recognition |
| 15:22.32 | saurabh1403 | i want to modify it and port it to open moko platform |
| 15:23.04 | rtm | There are some PalmOS systems. Perhpas the author of one of those could be talked into helping with a port to Openmoko. |
| 15:23.08 | SpeedEvil | What sort of CPU does it require - amount of CPU that is. |
| 15:23.27 | SpeedEvil | Err - yes - I meant sphinx I think. |
| 15:24.01 | SpeedEvil | First, there is no java. |
| 15:24.17 | SpeedEvil | And sphinx is _way_ too slow as I understand it. |
| 15:24.23 | saurabh1403 | it depends on the method implemented..u would be surprized that i made a speech recognition system for 8-bit microcontroller for recognizing 6 words |
| 15:24.30 | SpeedEvil | Not really. |
| 15:24.37 | SpeedEvil | Envelope detection is trivial. |
| 15:25.11 | saurabh1403 | no i want to implement the Hidden markov model for recognition |
| 15:25.44 | saurabh1403 | I have studied it somewhat and it claims for a 90% success rate |
| 15:25.47 | SpeedEvil | There are 5 people in #sphinx |
| 15:26.06 | saurabh1403 | are they associated with openmoko?? |
| 15:26.06 | SpeedEvil | 4 now I've left |
| 15:26.10 | SpeedEvil | I doubt it |
| 15:26.17 | nezza-_- | saurabh1403: link to your implementation on an 8bit microcontroler? sounds interesting |
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| 15:27.14 | saurabh1403 | yes i implemented 8 band pass digital filers in assembly |
| 15:27.35 | saurabh1403 | the success rate was quite satisfactory, about 60 to 70% |
| 15:27.54 | saurabh1403 | i think it can be a very good and attractive feature in open moko |
| 15:28.10 | nezza-_- | saurabh1403: a link to the project? |
| 15:28.49 | saurabh1403 | sorry not yet uploaded on my webpage. i did it for my college project |
| 15:29.15 | saurabh1403 | i was mentored by my college Prof. |
| 15:29.42 | saurabh1403 | however i can send you the project report if u want |
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| 15:32.30 | saurabh1403 | hello, sorry connection problem |
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| 15:42.30 | nezza-_- | sudharsh_: yeah would be nice.. |
| 15:42.54 | nezza-_- | sudharsh_: sorry |
| 15:43.20 | sudharsh_ | but iy sure would be nice to know what would be nice |
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| 16:15.40 | SpeedEvil | oops |
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| 17:24.50 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: changed to dbus naming conventions |
| 17:24.50 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: some docs added |
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| 19:49.01 | bmk789 | how do i use the mokomakefile to build/run the latest OM software/OS? |
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| 20:02.32 | PiXeLStick | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.03 | CVirus | LOL |
| 20:03.07 | CVirus | ghosted the idiot |
| 20:03.09 | CVirus | niahahaha |
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| 20:03.30 | CVirus | PiXeLStick: sorry :-p |
| 20:04.07 | PiXeLStick | it is ok |
| 20:04.11 | macdonalder | the dreaded space! :D |
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| 21:38.14 | bmk789 | is there any chance SQLite will be built into openmoko? |
| 21:39.57 | abraxa_ | What's the problem? Just install it |
| 21:40.00 | abraxa_ | :) |
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| 21:43.36 | bmk789 | abraxa_: is it packaged for openmoko? |
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| 21:46.03 | abraxa_ | bmk789: Openmoko is a derivative of Angstrom - SQLite is available on Angstrom, so... |
| 21:46.19 | abraxa_ | Just do an "opkg install sqlite3" and you should be good |
| 21:46.37 | abraxa_ | (or sqlite) |
| 21:49.06 | bmk789 | sweet |
| 21:49.32 | bmk789 | do the PIM apps use SQLite as a backend? |
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| 21:52.19 | abraxa_ | Nope, they use a D-Bus enabled version of EDS (Evolution Data Server) |
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| 22:13.20 | bmk789 | can someone help me setup USB networking with my openmoko qemu VM on kubuntu? |
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| 22:17.23 | abraxa_ | Sorry, never used qemu... did you try the wiki instructions? |
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| 22:19.02 | balrog-kun | bmk789: at which part are you stuck? |
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| 22:19.45 | abraxa_ | praises the master :) |
| 22:20.46 | bmk789 | the VM shows a usb0 connection and i created the interface on my host i think |
| 22:22.30 | bmk789 | balrog-kun: do i need to edit the command that "make run-qemu" runs? |
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| 22:23.55 | balrog-kun | checks what command MokoMakefile uses.. |
| 22:24.46 | bmk789 | and do i need to load a certain module in kubuntu? i loaded usbnet |
| 22:25.12 | balrog-kun | yes, you'll need to add -usbgadget to the command in MokoMakefile's run-qemu target |
| 22:25.38 | balrog-kun | yeah, you'll need the same modules that ubuntu needs, the building instructions should apply |
| 22:27.49 | bmk789 | you mean ill need to rebuild my host kernel? |
| 22:29.03 | balrog-kun | if you're using the stock kernel, then yes, likely |
| 22:29.23 | balrog-kun | onless ubuntu has that particular module in the packages, i'm not sure but the wiki knows |
| 22:34.29 | bmk789 | balrog-kun: what page on the wiki, ive checked mokomakefile and USB networking and i cant find what i need |
| 22:35.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1339 has been created by reddog(AT)mastersword.de |
| 22:35.01 | cdbot2 | * * matchbox-keyboard sometimes has a locked enter key |
| 22:35.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1339 |
| 22:35.33 | balrog-kun | bmk789: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_Gadget_USB_Module this one |
| 22:35.47 | balrog-kun | it's for Ubuntu users i believe |
| 22:36.10 | bmk789 | thanks |
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| 22:52.39 | bmk789 | how do i get to the qemu monitor? |
| 22:52.52 | balrog-kun | ctrl-alt-2 usually |
| 22:52.58 | ajbrun | with the magic want that came with it |
| 22:53.03 | ajbrun | you did get a wand didn't you? |
| 22:53.06 | bmk789 | ah |
| 22:53.07 | bmk789 | ty |
| 22:53.19 | ajbrun | :p |
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