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| 02:51.18 | rtm | Is there a picture viewer that works well on the neo1973? |
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| 03:37.33 | rtm | Is there a picture viewer that works well on the neo1973? |
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| 04:23.42 | rtm | Is there a picture viewer that works well on the neo1973? |
| 04:23.58 | SpeedEvil | The one originally installed worked well |
| 04:24.06 | SpeedEvil | It was also a graphics editor |
| 04:24.15 | rtm | Which was that? |
| 04:24.28 | SpeedEvil | I think it began with 'g'. |
| 04:24.29 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 04:26.33 | raster | gimp |
| 04:26.39 | raster | giggles |
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| 04:27.56 | rtm | was gimp ever built into rootfs? It would be a rather clumsy picture viewer anyway. |
| 04:30.52 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 04:31.22 | SpeedEvil | It was a paint program, more than a proper graphics editor |
| 04:31.49 | rtm | What happened to it? |
| 04:31.56 | SpeedEvil | not there any more |
| 04:32.20 | SpeedEvil | It was some 100K |
| 04:35.56 | summatusmentis | well, fwiw, I haven't been marked as an invalid application |
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| 04:45.16 | SpeedEvil | bmidgley: have you had A2DP working recently? /me is awaiting H2DPhones. |
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| 05:14.55 | zefanja | moin...I have some problems building om with the MokoMakefile. http://www.pastebin.ca/976473 |
| 05:15.04 | zefanja | can anybody help me? |
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| 05:25.46 | XVirus | Why is "maybe due April" removed from the topic ? |
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| 05:26.14 | summatusmentis | too much hype I assume |
| 05:26.55 | XVirus | I see |
| 05:27.22 | summatusmentis | I don't really know, but there's been a lot of anxious users, and I get the feeling OM doesn't really want to commit |
| 05:27.34 | summatusmentis | it may also be that it's just around the corner, but I don't know that :) |
| 05:28.08 | CVirus | I can't wait any longer .. I'm buying a JasJar |
| 05:28.14 | CVirus | this has gone too far |
| 05:29.10 | summatusmentis | JasJar? |
| 05:30.21 | summatusmentis | I honestly think FreeRunner is right around the corner |
| 05:30.31 | CVirus | summatusmentis: an i-mate JasJar |
| 05:30.35 | CVirus | aka HTC Universal |
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| 05:34.00 | bmidgley | SpeedEvil not recently, but it should just work |
| 05:34.44 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 05:34.45 | bmidgley | a2dp encoder runs really well on gta01 |
| 05:35.33 | SpeedEvil | just last change on that page was oct, and I wondered |
| 05:35.57 | bmidgley | I would try it now but my phone is in the queue for a firmware update |
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| 05:39.36 | bmidgley | SpeedEvil what version of bluez-utils do you get in OM these days? |
| 05:44.41 | CM | bmidgley: The preferred-om-2008-versions file says 3.23 |
| 05:45.09 | CM | and hcidump 1.38 |
| 05:46.15 | abraxa__ | lol, the FreeRunner is hitting the final PVR stages and *now* he cannot wait anymore? |
| 05:46.23 | abraxa__ | That's funny to me :) |
| 05:47.01 | abraxa__ | PVT, I mean |
| 05:47.20 | CM | Hehe |
| 05:50.06 | abraxa__ | Hmm... 7000+ GSoC apps, of which Openmoko maybe has ~50 |
| 05:50.16 | abraxa__ | 1% =( |
| 05:50.46 | abraxa__ | crosses fingers for more than two slots |
| 05:51.48 | CM | abraxa__: And if you don't get two slots, blame Android and make a fuss about it ;) |
| 05:52.07 | abraxa__ | rofl! |
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| 05:54.45 | CM | tries to flash a new build :) |
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| 06:07.14 | CM | Hmm.. Crappy.. Latest image (built during the night) doesn't boot to X |
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| 06:10.23 | CM | On try number two it did :) |
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| 06:12.52 | macdonalder | abraxa__: well, I did what I could, I should be one of those 50 ;) |
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| 06:35.06 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r149 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (20 files in 4 dirs): |
| 06:35.06 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Started API wrapper libfreesmartphone |
| 06:35.06 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Build gsmd2 as daemon binary + libgsmd2 |
| 06:35.06 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Changed vendor interface so that vendor plugins link to libgsmd2 |
| 06:35.06 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Some formating cleanups |
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| 06:42.01 | SpeedEvil | How many apps does gsoc fund? |
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| 06:45.21 | macdonalder | SpeedEvil: I think I remember the number being a little over 700 in total? |
| 06:46.03 | macdonalder | oh wait, sorry, a bit more than 900 |
| 06:46.15 | macdonalder | http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2008/faqs.html#0.1_number_students |
| 06:46.19 | SpeedEvil | wishes he could apply. |
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| 06:53.08 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r150 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/libgsmd2.pc.in: Add missing libgsmd2.pc.in |
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| 06:59.20 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:00.13 | playya | hi |
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| 07:45.27 | Stephmw | mornin |
| 07:47.32 | ScaredyCat | 473 votes |
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| 08:32.55 | fish_ | hi |
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| 08:47.13 | cb22 | josch: what was that voting link again? |
| 08:47.26 | josch | cb22, http://neo1973-germany.de/wiki/Tshirt :P |
| 08:48.34 | cb22 | you are going to hate all of us after this, arent you :p |
| 08:49.52 | josch | hehe |
| 08:50.56 | edistar_ | josch: doesn't your girlfriend mind?;) |
| 08:51.01 | ecraven | is freerunner still estimated for april? |
| 08:51.02 | cb22 | ooh, topic == wrong splling of OpenMoko |
| 08:51.20 | josch | edistar_, we'll see ^^ |
| 08:51.40 | cb22 | bwahaha, we are so evil |
| 08:51.49 | edistar_ | ecraven: officially yes |
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| 08:57.48 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4322 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/common/Makefile.am src/dialer/dialer-main.c): |
| 08:57.48 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 2008-04-08 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com> |
| 08:57.48 | CIA-41 | openmoko: * src/common/Makefile.am: Add missing header file |
| 08:57.48 | CIA-41 | openmoko: * src/dialer/dialer-main.c: (program_log), (main): Create the history |
| 08:57.48 | CIA-41 | openmoko: widget after everything else has loaded, unless it is explicitly |
| 08:57.50 | CIA-41 | openmoko: requested at runtime |
| 09:00.48 | cb22 | josch: hope and pray for the pvt runs |
| 09:01.45 | fish_ | what would you guess: how long will it takes from passing the PVT until i can order it? and how long until i can hold it in my hands? ;) i'v no working mobile phone atm. i was about to buy a new one last summer but i spoke to harald at the CCCamp and he told me that the gta02 should be available until the end of the year. so i decieded to wait, and i'm still waiting.. ;) |
| 09:02.34 | josch | fish_, rly nobody can be 100% sure |
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| 09:02.42 | fish_ | josch: of course |
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| 09:03.17 | josch | fish_, where do you live? |
| 09:03.19 | josch | germany? |
| 09:03.26 | josch | (as you visited the cccamp) |
| 09:04.02 | fish_ | i would never blame harald for that or the openmoko for not getting it done ;) i'm still happy about that project and can't wait to have a free phone! :) |
| 09:04.05 | fish_ | josch: yes |
| 09:04.17 | josch | fish_, /join #neo1973-germany |
| 09:04.52 | fish_ | ah crap.. not another irc channel.. ;)) |
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| 09:20.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1325 has been created by allen_lin(AT)openmoko.com |
| 09:20.02 | cdbot2 | * * Battery icon display cannot decrease automatically |
| 09:20.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1325 |
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| 09:26.18 | ScaredyCat | oooh ... someone completely ballsed up the build |
| 09:35.26 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r151 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/test/ (call_unit.py gsmd_common.py): Example of synchronizing tests |
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| 09:59.14 | cb22 | ScaredyCat: 494 votes |
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| 10:01.16 | ScaredyCat | 495 :) |
| 10:02.03 | cb22 | think it'll reach 1000+? |
| 10:02.26 | ScaredyCat | no |
| 10:02.40 | cb22 | o rly? |
| 10:03.43 | ScaredyCat | I think that most people who have an opinion would have voted fairly early on... it's going up, but in 1's and 2's rather than 10's 20's that it was doing yesterday. |
| 10:04.27 | cb22 | yeah true, now's the time when we call rentacrowd and tell them to vote |
| 10:04.27 | cb22 | :p |
| 10:04.39 | ScaredyCat | but we don;t want that really... |
| 10:04.59 | ScaredyCat | you don't want people who have no interest in the project voting just to fuck it up |
| 10:05.10 | cb22 | 12:04 < cb22> :p |
| 10:05.30 | cb22 | that smily is suppesed to negate everything i just said |
| 10:05.34 | josch | lets do a voting bot that interpolates the missing 500 votes :P |
| 10:05.48 | cb22 | josch: we could just times the results by 2x |
| 10:05.50 | ScaredyCat | well, that's easy |
| 10:05.57 | cb22 | but one thing ive noticed |
| 10:06.00 | ScaredyCat | yes cb22 - I saw the :p |
| 10:06.21 | cb22 | is that people needing 3g has always been around 49->55% or so |
| 10:06.33 | cb22 | not as if it was jumping around like crazy |
| 10:07.29 | ScaredyCat | no, and 50% is a big chunk |
| 10:09.09 | cb22 | abraxa_: fix the topic! OpenMoko = Openmoko :) |
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| 10:10.30 | abraxa_ | Why me? I'm innocent! |
| 10:10.31 | abraxa_ | xP |
| 10:10.50 | *** topic/#openmoko by abraxa_ -> Welcome to the Openmoko support and discussion channel! | http://openmoko.org | New version is the FreeRunner (with WiFi) | Official status: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | Want 3G in the successor? http://blog.automated.it |
| 10:10.58 | abraxa_ | Okay, but only because it was too easy |
| 10:11.09 | abraxa_ | (the topic is editable by anyone btw) |
| 10:11.22 | methril|away | then it's going to have a new device development? :D |
| 10:11.45 | josch | wohoo! editable by anyone!! |
| 10:11.57 | *** topic/#openmoko by josch -> bow to mighty josch! |
| 10:12.02 | abraxa_ | rofl |
| 10:12.03 | *** topic/#openmoko by josch -> Welcome to the Openmoko support and discussion channel! | http://openmoko.org | New version is the FreeRunner (with WiFi) | Official status: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates | Want 3G in the successor? http://blog.automated.it |
| 10:12.39 | abraxa_ | Der kleine Josch moechte im Kinderparadies abgeholt werden |
| 10:12.40 | abraxa_ | ;) |
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| 10:13.56 | josch | abraxa_, hahaha |
| 10:14.31 | methril | can u translate? :D |
| 10:15.01 | abraxa_ | "Little Josch wants to be picked up at the kid's playground" |
| 10:15.18 | abraxa_ | kids'* |
| 10:15.47 | josch | methril, kinderparadies is usually the place in big stores where you can leave your children to play with toys there |
| 10:16.26 | josch | abraxa_, imitated the loudspeaker voice you here in those stores when someone got missing |
| 10:16.53 | methril | thanks josch :D |
| 10:17.33 | methril | and then... what about the new development? i read something in the kernel mailing list about a evaluation board |
| 10:19.35 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 03rob * r4323 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/buttonactions.c: Remove the "Lock Phone" option from the power menu. |
| 10:22.18 | abraxa_ | methril: Got a link to the post by chance? |
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| 10:24.31 | methril | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-March/001796.html |
| 10:25.49 | abraxa_ | Thanks |
| 10:26.04 | methril | yw |
| 10:27.17 | abraxa_ | Hmm, I don't see anything about an evaluation board there |
| 10:27.53 | abraxa_ | Sure, they may be "playing with some hardware" but that doesn't mean anything for us just yet :) |
| 10:28.05 | methril | yes |
| 10:28.15 | methril | but it's something |
| 10:28.27 | methril | it's another CPU |
| 10:28.37 | methril | S3C6400 User's Manual |
| 10:28.43 | methril | & S3C2443 |
| 10:29.36 | abraxa_ | My Apple Mail client advises me that it "thinks this message is Junk Mail." LOL!!! |
| 10:30.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1326 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com |
| 10:30.01 | cdbot2 | * * cannot display missed call icon in home screen |
| 10:30.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1326 |
| 10:32.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1327 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com |
| 10:32.01 | cdbot2 | * * support *#06# from dialer |
| 10:32.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1327 |
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| 10:45.41 | fish_ | abraxa_: apple's "mail" really sucks ;) |
| 10:46.18 | abraxa_ | Maybe, I just think it's funny as the mail itself is a joke |
| 10:46.53 | methril | fish_ it sucks |
| 10:46.53 | methril | i agree |
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| 10:53.49 | fish_ | well.. i think apple sucks at all ;) |
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| 11:18.41 | RedDog | should i reopen bug 79, because resume often crashes? |
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| 11:25.41 | fish_ | ah, if i wouldn't be bound to the place where i live ($girlfriend ;)) i would apply for the sysadmin job at openmoko. would be really nice to help the projects _and_ get paid for it ;)) |
| 11:34.05 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r152 10/trunk/software/pyrtc/ (. AUTHORS Makefile README pyrtc.pyx rtc.c setup.py): add pyrtc, a python binding to the real time clock found in PCs or SoCs |
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| 11:53.32 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r153 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/test/ (4 files): |
| 11:53.32 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Added a generic test function to simplify testing |
| 11:53.33 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Began converting tests to use that function. |
| 11:53.33 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Added phonebook tests. |
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| 12:04.02 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 03rob * r4324 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/ (Makefile.am buttonactions.c wifi.c wifi.h): |
| 12:04.02 | CIA-41 | openmoko: Add Wifi control options to the power menu. |
| 12:04.02 | CIA-41 | openmoko: Hook up the peripheral control options to the function that actually makes the |
| 12:04.02 | CIA-41 | openmoko: changes. |
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| 12:25.18 | pandian | hello all... |
| 12:25.25 | pandian | good evening!! |
| 12:25.26 | pandian | :-) |
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| 12:26.41 | pandian | i saw that the xlsfonts command gives the different font combinations possible with the available fonts.... |
| 12:27.03 | pandian | so, i need to install fonts so that the output of xlsfonts includes the new fonts. |
| 12:27.30 | pandian | can anyone help me in getting me know the location to put the new required fonts. |
| 12:34.36 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r154 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/test/ (call_unit.py gsmd_common.py): |
| 12:34.36 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Added some comments to perform function. |
| 12:34.36 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Modified rest of call tests to use perform funcion. |
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| 12:38.32 | wibbit | Hmm, do openmoko people know that the http://direct.openmoko.com link is currently dead? And that if one clicks on the shop/buy links on the openmoko.com web site, it comes back with an error? |
| 12:40.38 | nezza-_- | direct.openmoko.com is working for me |
| 12:41.05 | SpeedEvil | they're sold out anyway |
| 12:41.11 | wibbit | I'm getting an error saying that it's using an invalid security certificate |
| 12:41.15 | nezza-_- | "Openmoko Online Shop\nSOLD OUT!\nDear customers.... |
| 12:41.23 | SpeedEvil | maybe it's due to them getting ready to put up the freerunner pages. |
| 12:41.24 | nezza-_- | wibbit: they are using a cacert certificate |
| 12:41.33 | nezza-_- | wibbit: so you have to accept this certificate ;) |
| 12:41.47 | wibbit | Hmm, I wonder if it some thing screwy with the F9 firefox3 package |
| 12:42.37 | nezza-_- | wibbit: dont know.. i only know that cacert certificates are not accepted automatically ;) |
| 12:42.55 | nezza-_- | https://www.cacert.org/ <- is this page working for you? |
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| 12:43.17 | wibbit | Okay, well it's some thing odd with how firefox deals with it, they provide a page very similar to a 404, with the error message, as opposed to a pop up |
| 12:43.22 | wibbit | sorry for the false alarm |
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| 12:44.46 | nezza-_- | wibbit: no problem ;) but i dont think its an firefox bug :-/ may you have to reset your security settings? |
| 12:45.10 | wibbit | nezza-_-: not a bug per say, just a change in how Firefox3 is throwing up cert errors |
| 12:45.47 | wibbit | They don't provide a pop up asking if you want to accept the cert, and the info behind it, it is presented as a web page, along the lines of the 404 errors, or other this server/page is dead, give. |
| 12:45.51 | wibbit | I rare read them |
| 12:45.57 | wibbit | looks like I'll hav eot change me ways |
| 12:46.13 | nezza-_- | hmmm i think it has something to do with your settings for certificates.. |
| 12:46.25 | wibbit | nezza-_-: you're using Firefox3? |
| 12:46.45 | nezza-_- | no.. but i will try out.. just wait a moment ;-) |
| 12:46.49 | nezza-_- | have to install it |
| 12:46.53 | wibbit | kay |
| 12:49.12 | ScaredyCat | hlf meg of votes |
| 12:49.15 | ScaredyCat | half |
| 12:50.05 | wibbit | ScaredyCat: for the 3g thing? |
| 12:50.11 | ScaredyCat | ya |
| 12:50.19 | wibbit | I don't know how I feel about that to be honest. |
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| 12:50.41 | wibbit | I think GPRS is probably fine for most things I'd be looking to do when out and about, unless a decent SIP client was present |
| 12:50.55 | ScaredyCat | there is a 'I don't know' option - just for you :) |
| 12:51.26 | wibbit | Yup, I noticed that (already voted) |
| 12:51.34 | ScaredyCat | well, yes, but noone will develop one if it can't be used... (although wifi will help) |
| 12:52.51 | wibbit | i've been using Truphone on my Nokia E70 which worked well over both 3G and wifi, by all accounts their backend runs astrisk |
| 12:53.20 | ScaredyCat | well and iax client would be nice too |
| 12:53.31 | wibbit | iax? |
| 12:53.32 | Basheri | gprs is just so useless, even irc is laggy over it :D |
| 12:53.48 | ScaredyCat | Inter Asterisk eXchange |
| 12:54.08 | ScaredyCat | it's an asterisk protocol - uses 1 port for data and control messages |
| 12:54.19 | wibbit | Basheri: fine for what I'd be looking to do, I.E. email/rss general browsing. |
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| 12:54.47 | wibbit | ScaredyCat: Only problem is, I don't think truphone would open up their stuff, to allow some thing on the freerunner to connect |
| 12:54.50 | wibbit | though I may be wrong |
| 12:54.59 | wibbit | considers going to their forumn and asking |
| 12:55.20 | ScaredyCat | well, there are enough free open sip and iax clients about.. |
| 12:55.47 | ScaredyCat | besides truephone don;t need to |
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| 12:56.05 | ScaredyCat | they just need to offer something that works.. even if it's closed... |
| 12:56.11 | wibbit | ScaredyCat: It's not so much the client, but more the backend infrastructure that I like, maybe other companies offer the same, and are open enough. |
| 12:56.17 | ScaredyCat | ie it wont be on an image, but you can install it |
| 12:56.40 | wibbit | ScaredyCat: I'd be very happy if they did do that |
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| 13:05.24 | wibbit | ScaredyCat: Several posts in the forum and no response regarding whether or not it'll be supported, which is a pity |
| 13:05.58 | ScaredyCat | you don't have an asterisk box? |
| 13:06.28 | wibbit | of course not :[ |
| 13:06.36 | wibbit | That was meant to be :p |
| 13:06.39 | ScaredyCat | I'm pretty sure you can use any old sip client with truephone... |
| 13:06.56 | ScaredyCat | iirc they even let you register an asterisk box |
| 13:07.01 | wibbit | I tried using ekiga but couldn't get it to connect |
| 13:07.02 | ScaredyCat | so it shouldn;t be an issue |
| 13:07.23 | wibbit | But that was probably about a year or so ago, may be they've improvde things since |
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| 13:16.43 | ScaredyCat | it looks like it could be a good idea wibbit |
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| 13:19.40 | ScaredyCat | except ... |
| 13:19.47 | ScaredyCat | "All our rates are flat. " which is a lie |
| 13:22.54 | wibbit | Why do you say it's a lie? |
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| 13:29.41 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r155 10/trunk/software/py-odeviced/modules/ (kernel26.py powercontrol-neo.py): py-odeviced: add preliminary FreeRunner WiFi Power Control Object |
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| 13:31.50 | ScaredyCat | wibbit: because they have diferent rates for different countries |
| 13:31.59 | ScaredyCat | yet they claim they are the same |
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| 13:32.37 | wibbit | ScaredyCat: My only guess would be there is some thing that normal mobile operators in the UK do as far as billing, which truphone don't do |
| 13:32.58 | ScaredyCat | charge up the wazzoo ? |
| 13:33.07 | wibbit | LOL |
| 13:34.17 | wibbit | i really can't comment on that aspect, however the way in which it intergrates on the nokia is very smooth, as is the automatic forwarding of sip calls to the GSM number if you're not online |
| 13:36.43 | ScaredyCat | yes.. afaik you can just give out your truphone number and not you're mobile... |
| 13:36.55 | ScaredyCat | although I don;t know how they get around roaming charges |
| 13:37.05 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4325 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/dialer/dialer-main.c): |
| 13:37.05 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 2008-04-08 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com> |
| 13:37.05 | CIA-41 | openmoko: * src/dialer/dialer-main.c: (main): Revert previous history widget |
| 13:37.06 | CIA-41 | openmoko: creation changes until at least after MP image. |
| 13:37.16 | ScaredyCat | perhaps they just hve boxen in each european country |
| 13:37.33 | wibbit | ScaredyCat: That's my understanding of how it works. |
| 13:37.49 | ScaredyCat | but don't you still get roaming chages? |
| 13:37.54 | wibbit | ScaredyCat: Nope |
| 13:38.02 | wibbit | which is probably what they mean by flat rate |
| 13:38.03 | ScaredyCat | mmmm, you sure? |
| 13:38.17 | wibbit | A sip call is the same cost irrespective of which location I'm in. |
| 13:38.19 | ScaredyCat | a k mobile in .nl |
| 13:38.25 | ScaredyCat | a uk mobile in .nl |
| 13:38.33 | ScaredyCat | yes, but what if no wifi? |
| 13:38.38 | wibbit | ScaredyCat: Ahh, you mean if I'm abroad and it forwards on to my GSM number, would I get done for roaming? |
| 13:38.43 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 13:38.52 | wibbit | Yes you would |
| 13:39.02 | wibbit | However, their client has a nice feature |
| 13:39.02 | ScaredyCat | so, there are roaming charges then |
| 13:39.21 | wibbit | That is not a truphone charge, and it's hardly fair to hold them accountable for it |
| 13:39.46 | ScaredyCat | no but they say no roaming charges... |
| 13:39.49 | ScaredyCat | when there are |
| 13:39.53 | wibbit | Additionally, if you swap out the GSM chip, it will pick up the new number, and you can update the voice forwarding automatically. |
| 13:40.13 | ScaredyCat | you mean the sim? |
| 13:40.27 | ScaredyCat | rather than the chip :) |
| 13:40.28 | SpeedEvil | has a rework station, and is not afraid to use it! |
| 13:40.32 | wibbit | So if you move between to or three countries regularly, just sign up for a pay as you go account in those locations, and when you move from country to country, swap out the sim, and the truphone system will redirect the sip call to the latest number |
| 13:40.59 | wibbit | wonders what's the techincal difference between the "sim" and a generic "chip" :p ignoring food |
| 13:41.23 | SpeedEvil | wibbit: the SIM is a special purpose chip - that only holds the users identity. (classically) |
| 13:41.31 | ScaredyCat | points at the soldering on the chip pads |
| 13:41.55 | SpeedEvil | wibbit: Chip is a more general purpose thing - encopassing every sort of complex semiconductor. |
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| 13:42.14 | wibbit | ScaredyCat: There are not truphone related roaming charges, if you're logged in to their SIP network irrespective of what country you're in, it is the same charge. I can't accept it a fair or dishonest criticism, to hold them accountable for you're mobile operators roaming charges. |
| 13:42.27 | wibbit | SpeedEvil: I'm sure that a chip can be as simple as a sim |
| 13:42.35 | wibbit | aha, chip, see, you called it a chip |
| 13:42.35 | wibbit | :p |
| 13:42.58 | wibbit | I know it's more general purpose, doesn't make it wrong though |
| 13:43.04 | SpeedEvil | wibbit: sure - it's just generally - a SIM will be referred to as a SIM. Much like you'll call a car a car, rather than a collection of machined metals. |
| 13:43.23 | wibbit | *shrug* |
| 13:43.29 | ScaredyCat | wibbit: they shouldn't be claiming that there are no roaming charges. |
| 13:43.39 | ScaredyCat | it implies that there are NO roaming charges |
| 13:44.30 | wibbit | And there are no roaming charges when using their product (the SIP service) |
| 13:44.57 | ScaredyCat | their product encompasses sms, gsm calls etc |
| 13:45.05 | ScaredyCat | not just the sip stuff |
| 13:45.39 | ScaredyCat | I just saying , those words shouldn;t be there... |
| 13:45.41 | wibbit | I understand where you are coming from, I just disagree with you, and do not believe it is a fare critasisim |
| 13:45.59 | ScaredyCat | You're entitled to be wrong ;) |
| 13:46.05 | wibbit | as are you |
| 13:46.10 | ScaredyCat | neva! |
| 13:46.24 | ScaredyCat | dons a cloak of never-wrongness |
| 13:47.14 | wibbit | I hate feeling ill |
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| 13:48.33 | ScaredyCat | s/ill/wrong/ |
| 13:48.34 | ScaredyCat | :P |
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| 13:50.59 | wibbit | :p |
| 13:51.39 | wibbit | I think I'll go and rot my brain playing metroid prime onthe wii |
| 13:51.44 | wibbit | see if I can work out where I'm going next |
| 13:51.52 | wibbit | for such a linear game, it's depressingly easy to get lost |
| 13:52.51 | summatusmentis | stupid dorm mates, get out of the shower already! |
| 13:54.32 | SpeedEvil | Get in with them! |
| 13:54.36 | thos | ScaredyCat, did you get moko-gtk-engine to work in the end? |
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| 13:55.16 | ScaredyCat | err.. |
| 13:55.27 | ScaredyCat | been a bit busy... |
| 13:55.32 | ScaredyCat | promise to have a go tonight |
| 13:55.35 | thos | ScaredyCat, that's a no then :-P |
| 13:55.45 | thos | it's ok, i was just curious |
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| 15:02.11 | Bish | any new, in here? |
| 15:02.31 | summatusmentis | new what? |
| 15:02.43 | Bish | new news |
| 15:02.48 | CVirus | Bish: yeah ... the "maybe due April" was removed from the topic |
| 15:03.55 | wurp2 | They are doing production verification testing |
| 15:04.17 | wurp2 | Figuring out ways to tweak the manufacturing process to increase yield and decrease cost |
| 15:04.55 | wurp2 | Of course, that's for the final FR hardware; final software is at least 6 months later |
| 15:06.07 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4326 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/buttonactions.c: neod: modify gsm, gps, bluetooth device PATH (Erin Yueh) |
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| 15:07.11 | summatusmentis | wurp2: so then, is there likely to be another 'product release' to coincide w/ final software? |
| 15:07.24 | wurp2 | I would think so |
| 15:07.26 | SpeedEvil | Not as far as revealed |
| 15:07.28 | summatusmentis | I get the impression people are thinking that FR == final software |
| 15:07.40 | wurp2 | Assuming by product release, you mean marketing push |
| 15:07.41 | SpeedEvil | Freerunner is simply the hardware. |
| 15:07.57 | summatusmentis | I know that, but I think people on the mailing lists are looking for a final releas |
| 15:08.00 | summatusmentis | release* |
| 15:08.09 | SpeedEvil | Yeah - I'd expect a 'Freerunner - now your mom can be open!' ad campaign or something. |
| 15:08.14 | SpeedEvil | Err. |
| 15:08.20 | SpeedEvil | Maybe an unfortunate phrase. |
| 15:08.21 | wurp2 | >:-) |
| 15:08.25 | CVirus | ROFL |
| 15:08.26 | summatusmentis | :) |
| 15:08.54 | summatusmentis | I'd rather my mom not be open, thanks, but I see what you mean |
| 15:09.03 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: If you have to accidentally deliver a 'yr mom' joke, at least it was a good one |
| 15:10.07 | summatusmentis | It's kind of unfortunate that OM isn't keeping the 'hungry consumers' satiated. There are a lot of people who are fed up w/ waiting. I understand that this is how stuff goes, but others don't seem to |
| 15:10.38 | wurp2 | Yeah, I don't really know how they could keep them satisfied |
| 15:10.48 | wurp2 | SW and HW development are inherently slow |
| 15:10.56 | summatusmentis | I feel like the company should maybe be doing more to make sure people understand how the process works |
| 15:11.14 | wurp2 | Although one developer devoted to obvious features could probably make the 01 users happier, if that was a goal |
| 15:11.34 | wurp2 | Stuff like adding numbers from your call history to contacts has been really nice |
| 15:11.43 | summatusmentis | wurp2: right, that's the point. People seem to think that when something gets announced, it's right around the corner, and are getting fed up w/ waiting. There needs to be a shift in what people are expecting |
| 15:12.12 | Bish | CVirus: -_- |
| 15:12.13 | SpeedEvil | IMO - obvious features - say a dialer and SMS thingy - even if it was bad - and a list of all projects that are _not_ being worked on by the core devs would have put the project forward 6 months IMO. |
| 15:12.19 | wurp2 | 'obvious' meaning end users see progress, not necessarily addressing obvious deficiencies |
| 15:12.33 | CVirus | Bish: ! |
| 15:13.04 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: agreed! There has been a lack of communication on where the focus is (and isn't) |
| 15:13.07 | Bish | does this mean, its out :D? :DD CVirus |
| 15:13.26 | CVirus | nope |
| 15:13.43 | unknown_lamer | I am kind of not liking the whole everything-runs-as-root thing |
| 15:14.03 | summatusmentis | wait, we're still having everything run as root? |
| 15:14.09 | summatusmentis | or, not still, but what? |
| 15:14.12 | unknown_lamer | at least in the snapshot from yesterday |
| 15:14.27 | summatusmentis | can that be changed? |
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| 15:14.46 | unknown_lamer | I think it would be not *too* much work and I might do it if I can figure out what the hell is going on at boot time |
| 15:15.06 | summatusmentis | even a user account w/ no password would be better than running everything as root |
| 15:15.08 | unknown_lamer | even a passwordless normal user + daemons running as root would be better |
| 15:15.17 | summatusmentis | great minds think alike |
| 15:15.18 | summatusmentis | :) |
| 15:15.28 | unknown_lamer | and a good first step before adding a little login manager maybe |
| 15:15.38 | summatusmentis | who wants a login manager on their phone? |
| 15:15.42 | unknown_lamer | I do :-) |
| 15:15.45 | SpeedEvil | I do. |
| 15:15.54 | SpeedEvil | There are _many_ use-cases. |
| 15:16.04 | unknown_lamer | I mean it's a slow computer and all ... I could give other people accounts on it or something |
| 15:16.09 | SpeedEvil | A) user does not have full rights as they have not bought the phone, but are renting it. |
| 15:16.29 | SpeedEvil | B) Lend phone to friend - they get phone functions capped at a budget - and that's it. |
| 15:16.45 | SpeedEvil | C) Kids phone - you want it locked to one setup. |
| 15:16.46 | summatusmentis | SpeedEvil: yeah, but noone wants to have to 'login' to their phone |
| 15:16.58 | unknown_lamer | C) setup a drunk-party account that does not allow random folks to dial your parents or boss ;-) |
| 15:16.58 | summatusmentis | I don't want it to ask me for a password every time it wakes up |
| 15:17.07 | SpeedEvil | Some do. |
| 15:17.25 | summatusmentis | that's just a hassle |
| 15:17.36 | unknown_lamer | which is why it would be yet another optional component |
| 15:17.38 | SpeedEvil | I personally would like the option that it's completely a brick without a passphrase, even if you've got a JTAG board. |
| 15:17.58 | summatusmentis | (I might be ok with putting in a sequence of accelerometer movements to unlock it though) :D |
| 15:18.11 | summatusmentis | up-up-down-left-down-right-up |
| 15:18.26 | unknown_lamer | write a gesture generating program and then add a pam module for it |
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| 15:18.51 | summatusmentis | or an across the body downward slash :) |
| 15:19.09 | unknown_lamer | is there really no settings application in the openmoko image? |
| 15:19.12 | summatusmentis | w/ lightsaber noises!!! |
| 15:19.17 | summatusmentis | unknown_lamer: I couldn't find it either |
| 15:19.29 | unknown_lamer | I've given up on using the X bits and just ssh into the emulated phone now |
| 15:19.41 | unknown_lamer | given that I'm just trying to get text mode clisp running for now this works |
| 15:20.01 | unknown_lamer | the generational gc and ffi don't quite work properly on eabi, but they work fine on oabi! |
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| 15:20.20 | unknown_lamer | now I get to pick up a bit of arm assembly and learn the horrid details of the eabi stack layout |
| 15:20.39 | summatusmentis | sounds scary |
| 15:21.01 | unknown_lamer | someone else spent a month banging at it before giving up so I have his scattered notes he published on the web to work from |
| 15:21.24 | unknown_lamer | does anyone know off hand if the openmoko kernel has softfloat enabled? |
| 15:21.56 | unknown_lamer | (to get the ffi working I either have to add an option to disable binding floats or rewrite the arm stuff to use softfloat instead of arm fpu instructions) |
| 15:23.45 | unknown_lamer | summatusmentis: scary and difficult, but in the end I either get a concussion from banging my head against the desk, *or* a working knowledge of ARM assembly and a working Lisp system with Gtk bindings on my phone |
| 15:23.53 | unknown_lamer | summatusmentis: naturally I'd prefer the latter |
| 15:24.02 | summatusmentis | ew.. |
| 15:24.12 | unknown_lamer | summatusmentis: if I suffer the former fate I can always use ... guile (slow, but it has full gnome platform bindings) |
| 15:24.13 | summatusmentis | hated scheme, he assumes lisp is close |
| 15:24.32 | unknown_lamer | Common Lisp is quite a bit larger and a bit funkier than Scheme |
| 15:24.41 | summatusmentis | funkier? |
| 15:24.59 | unknown_lamer | It's *Common* Lisp so it's an amalgamation of a bunch of old 70s Lisp dialects |
| 15:25.12 | ScaredyCat | [2008-04-08 16:04:40] <CIA-41> openmoko: erin_yueh * r4326 /trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/buttonactions.c: neod: modify gsm, gps, bluetooth |
| 15:25.15 | ScaredyCat | gah!!! |
| 15:25.35 | thos | ScaredyCat? |
| 15:25.58 | ScaredyCat | device PATH |
| 15:26.08 | ScaredyCat | it got cut off.. |
| 15:27.06 | ScaredyCat | changing again? |
| 15:27.06 | thos | probably different for gta01 than gta02? |
| 15:27.06 | thos | ScaredyCat, those buttons didn't even work anyway |
| 15:27.07 | thos | they were not hooked up to anything |
| 15:27.11 | ScaredyCat | hrrrm |
| 15:28.01 | summatusmentis | unknown_lamer: well, it's still a weird language(coming from a C/C++ background. I learned C++ first) |
| 15:29.37 | unknown_lamer | summatusmentis: I learned C++ too (ah, at the tender age of fourteen reading the entire Stroustrop book) |
| 15:30.03 | summatusmentis | I started on O'Reilly, but yeah :) I'm just not a fan of lisp/scheme type languages |
| 15:30.12 | summatusmentis | (granted, never used lisp) |
| 15:30.13 | thos | ScaredyCat, but please do file a bug :-) |
| 15:30.31 | unknown_lamer | summatusmentis: then I discovered Guile because some program I used was extended with it and I never looked back ... did a research project in eleventh grade on it and FP in general and tried (and failed) to convince the county that if I could teach myself enough to do a coherent presentation on the advantages of this for teaching we should abandon C++ |
| 15:30.51 | ScaredyCat | is anyone looking at bugs anymore thos? |
| 15:30.51 | unknown_lamer | so students could do a bit more than "look I opened a file hur hur" |
| 15:30.51 | thos | ScaredyCat, all the time |
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| 15:31.22 | thos | ScaredyCat, just look at openmoko-devel |
| 15:32.45 | summatusmentis | well shit, class |
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| 15:34.31 | ScaredyCat | thos: that's what I mean, I don't see a great deal |
| 15:34.57 | ScaredyCat | maybe they're really hard bugs and take a long time. |
| 15:35.41 | zedstar | i didnt understand FP when i took it at university as i also was programming before then in other languages....i thought it was crap also....i re-learnt it myself think it is cool now |
| 15:38.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1328 has been created by thomas(AT)openedhand.com |
| 15:38.02 | cdbot2 | * * Sometimes X does not start |
| 15:38.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1328 |
| 15:38.28 | thos | ScaredyCat, what do you mean? |
| 15:38.32 | thos | ScaredyCat, I am using bugzilla all the time |
| 15:38.49 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: an easy way to win converts is to show them a red-black tree in SML, and then a red-black tree in C++ |
| 15:39.02 | ScaredyCat | 1328 is a dupe |
| 15:39.17 | ScaredyCat | wonders where kdeane is |
| 15:39.30 | ScaredyCat | thos: you are only one person... |
| 15:39.43 | thos | ScaredyCat, erin uses bugzilla too ;-) |
| 15:40.39 | zedstar | unknown_lamer well even something simple like adding 1 to a list of numbers |
| 15:40.59 | zedstar | unknown_lamer in scheme (map add1 '(1 2 3)) |
| 15:41.35 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: or even (map (curry + 1) '(1 2 3)) |
| 15:41.41 | unknown_lamer | assuming srfi whatever I forget |
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| 15:41.56 | unknown_lamer | mmm higher order functions |
| 15:42.13 | thos | ScaredyCat, put it this way, if you file a bug at least it gives you a right to complain |
| 15:42.18 | zedstar | unknown_lamer yeh......ruby etc etc all copy that stuff |
| 15:42.23 | thos | ScaredyCat, see koen's post on planet openmoko |
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| 15:43.25 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: alas not as well :-( |
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| 15:45.53 | ScaredyCat | thos: yes, and see my reply in here |
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| 15:46.33 | ScaredyCat | ask CM - he's posted a bug, provided lots of info, updated it and got nowhere |
| 15:47.22 | thos | ScaredyCat, which bug? |
| 15:47.45 | ScaredyCat | can't recall the id, ask CM when he gets back, it's to do with pth |
| 15:47.49 | summatusmentis | woot, 850Mhz and 900Mhz versions of freerunner are gonna be released at the same time |
| 15:47.52 | thos | pth? |
| 15:48.26 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 15:48.34 | thos | ScaredyCat, what is "pth"? |
| 15:48.36 | ScaredyCat | summatusmentis: where was that? |
| 15:48.47 | summatusmentis | Sean just sent something to the mailing list |
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| 15:49.27 | ScaredyCat | hrmm... |
| 15:49.33 | ScaredyCat | slaps mailserver |
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| 15:49.55 | summatusmentis | according to gmail it was about 20 mins ago |
| 15:49.59 | mwester | Don't complain - it angers some of the folks here. |
| 15:50.12 | ScaredyCat | thos: http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3988 |
| 15:50.47 | thos | ScaredyCat, that's an OE bug, not OM... |
| 15:51.02 | ScaredyCat | yes, I know... Koen does OE |
| 15:51.15 | ScaredyCat | I didn't say YOU should fix it... |
| 15:51.31 | thos | ScaredyCat, I don't see what that has to do with filing bugs for OM |
| 15:51.39 | ScaredyCat | I was just saying that that happens a lot, perhaps that's why people don't report bugs. |
| 15:51.50 | ScaredyCat | Koen works on OM |
| 15:51.52 | ScaredyCat | OE |
| 15:52.13 | thos | yes, OE |
| 15:52.15 | ScaredyCat | he's bitaching about ppl not reporting bugs... |
| 15:52.31 | ScaredyCat | that's an example of someone reporting a bug and getting fuck all help |
| 15:52.35 | thos | well, ok |
| 15:52.46 | thos | no one says "if you report a bug I will help you" |
| 15:53.12 | ScaredyCat | no, but you can't bitch about people not reporting bugs if you don;t help the ones that do |
| 15:53.14 | thos | but reporting a bug is the correct way to talk to developers, rather than bitching on forums |
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| 15:53.51 | ScaredyCat | who uses forums |
| 15:53.52 | thos | ScaredyCat, his point was reporting bugs on bugzilla is infinitely more likely to illicit a response from a developer, compared to whining on IRC or in forums |
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| 15:54.20 | thos | ScaredyCat, anyway, getting back to your bug |
| 15:54.32 | ScaredyCat | fine, but I don;t agree with what he said.. simple. |
| 15:54.38 | ScaredyCat | tis not my bug - it's CM's |
| 15:54.42 | thos | ScaredyCat, if you file it on bugzilla, it's more likely to get fixed than mentioning it on irc |
| 15:54.54 | thos | ScaredyCat, i'm not saying it *will* get fixed |
| 15:55.03 | thos | ScaredyCat, just saying it's more likely someone will eventually look at it |
| 15:55.20 | ScaredyCat | and that's th point... |
| 15:55.34 | thos | well, that was my point |
| 15:55.39 | ScaredyCat | if you're reporting a bug with that in mind - why bother |
| 15:55.56 | thos | because of what I just said |
| 15:56.03 | thos | it's more likely to be fixed than if you don't |
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| 15:59.16 | thos | I don't think OM or any one else ever says filing bugs means it will definitely get looked at |
| 15:59.25 | thos | but at least then you have gone through the correct channels |
| 15:59.30 | thos | and have grounds for complaint |
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| 16:10.49 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4327 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/phone-kit/moko-talking.c): |
| 16:10.49 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 2008-04-08 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com> |
| 16:10.49 | CIA-41 | openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-talking.c: (moko_talking_init): Remove toolbar |
| 16:10.49 | CIA-41 | openmoko: separators to make UI consistent with other applications |
| 16:11.32 | mwester | shakes his head, because he knows the B.S. that led to Koen's comments, and has upset so many others here --- and agrees competely with ScaredyCat |
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| 16:14.02 | mwester | Filing bugs is a complete waste of time, it's been so stated on the -devel OM lists (search the kernel list archives). Commenting on IRC just makes some people crazy angry. So clearly, there is no desire for the devs to hear what the community has to say; IMO they just want to community to put their heads down and fix their own problems. JMO. |
| 16:14.55 | thos | mwester, I would contest filing bugs being a complete waste of time |
| 16:15.19 | unknown_lamer | if you file a bug at least they are there for someone to look at |
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| 16:16.29 | mwester | unknown_lamer: I don't think we're at the point yet where a list of known problems is useful ;) Rather, a list of known working items (such as the reviews of the builds on the wiki) are more helpful! |
| 16:17.50 | unknown_lamer | if only there were a sane TODO |
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| 16:18.02 | unknown_lamer | hmm does anyone know why I might get this error when trying to build the toolchain: |
| 16:18.05 | unknown_lamer | ERROR: QA Issue: dbus-glib-1.pc failed sanity test (tmpdir) in path ... |
| 16:18.12 | unknown_lamer | with a bunch of different packages |
| 16:18.36 | unknown_lamer | could it have something to do with setting bitmake to rm_work ? |
| 16:20.46 | thos | http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1328 |
| 16:20.47 | thos | look |
| 16:20.49 | thos | I reported that |
| 16:20.58 | thos | and mickey has already replied :-) |
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| 16:22.29 | ScaredyCat | needs pkgconfig in the .bb |
| 16:23.32 | ScaredyCat | s/needs/needs to inherit/ |
| 16:24.06 | ScaredyCat | > |
| 16:24.26 | unknown_lamer | which .bb? all of the broken packages? it seems a bit odd for so many standard packages to be b0rked |
| 16:25.08 | ScaredyCat | dbus-glib ? |
| 16:25.51 | ScaredyCat | was it native or not? |
| 16:26.25 | unknown_lamer | I am just using mokomokomakefile and whatever it grabs trying to build the toolchain so I don't have to put it into /usr/local |
| 16:26.26 | mwester | thos: Should I give you a counter-example? I can go look one up that's been open for many months, and resoundingly ignored... ;) |
| 16:26.26 | ScaredyCat | ${OMDIR}/openembedded/packages/dbus/dbus-glib_0.74.bb |
| 16:26.29 | ScaredyCat | for me |
| 16:26.42 | unknown_lamer | ScaredyCat: it also does this for about 20 or 30 other packages |
| 16:26.51 | unknown_lamer | then it says qa failed and gives up building the toolchain |
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| 16:27.18 | ScaredyCat | I think the toolchain build is b0rked |
| 16:27.28 | abraxa_ | It just has its own will. |
| 16:27.56 | abraxa_ | "F*** that s***, that code is so ugly and doesn't even pass QA! I'm sick of dealing with it!" |
| 16:28.35 | unknown_lamer | curse this bitbake stuff if only it were debian (at least I understand that particular set of hacks :-) ) |
| 16:29.36 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r156 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/src/ (dbus_objects.c libsms.c): |
| 16:29.36 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Fix crash on gsmd_dbus_uninitialize |
| 16:29.36 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Use user data dir for sms storage when other locations fail |
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| 16:30.22 | unknown_lamer | meh, at least there is a binary tarball of the toolchain |
| 16:31.35 | ScaredyCat | tbh, if you can build normal stuff with bitbake, then you don;t need to use the toolchain |
| 16:33.03 | unknown_lamer | ah curses I am dumb |
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| 16:39.25 | thos | mwester, do you think it's been ignored intentionally, or unintentionally? |
| 16:39.34 | thos | mwester, the point is, at least it is there |
| 16:39.38 | thos | where everyone can see |
| 16:42.08 | mwester | thos: I think I would prefer to work with the core developers to solve a problem, rather than have the problem ignored. Tell me if the problem will be fixed by someone (and who), tell me if they need more help, tell me if they don't care and I should fix it myself, or tell me if they do not intend to fix it and plans they are making would make it a waste of my time for me to fix it. |
| 16:42.43 | mwester | I ask just for guidance, not for someone to fix the problem. I submit solutions, tell me if they will work, if not tell my why, tell me how to solve it, but don't block every attempt to resolve the issue. |
| 16:42.58 | thos | mwester, but bugzilla is the ideal way of communicating with the core developers |
| 16:43.01 | mwester | This is not what is happening on bugzilla. |
| 16:43.19 | thos | mwester, the fact that there are not enough core developers to look at every problem is a different issue |
| 16:43.26 | mwester | No, that is the core issue. |
| 16:43.42 | mwester | That is why it is ineffictive to file bug reports. |
| 16:43.51 | mwester | (sorry for bad spelling!) |
| 16:44.01 | thos | mwester, no, that is a side affect |
| 16:44.04 | thos | side effect even |
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| 16:45.06 | mwester | Ok, but the side effect is so serious as to make it ineffective. It amounts to the same thing; the bug reports get one or two comments, then become old and are presumed to be no longer relevant. |
| 16:45.14 | mwester | (at least the last part is my assumption) |
| 16:45.47 | mwester | But in any case, the question was asked on the mailing list, and the response from the kernel devs was to not use bugzilla. |
| 16:48.23 | abraxa_ | mwester: ...and just shut up? Or use the kernel ML instead? |
| 16:49.33 | mwester | No, they suggested the mailing list would be the correct place :) They're good guys, they were almost apologetic about not being able to work on the GTA01 kernel issues. |
| 16:49.53 | abraxa_ | Ah okay |
| 16:53.31 | mickey|zzZZzz | for the records -- now the bugzilla default owner for kernel is the mailing list, so I advise to still use the bugzilla |
| 16:54.15 | abraxa_ | Good move |
| 16:54.18 | abraxa_ | :) |
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| 17:03.37 | mwester | thos: I'll follow your suggestion; I've updated a bug, we'll see... :) |
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| 17:15.09 | thos | mickey|zzZZzz, it's a shame we can't get more useful reports out of bugzilla, like number of bugs closed/opened this week |
| 17:16.15 | thos | mwester, what bug #? |
| 17:16.37 | mwester | My most recently updated one is #79 |
| 17:17.01 | thos | wow, that is old :-) |
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| 17:18.36 | mwester | I think it is one of the edge cases where the GTA01 was injured by the work on the GTA02 inadvertantly, but there is a possibility I suppose that it never worked in the 2.6.24 kernel (the original dates would have been on the 2.6.22 kernel) |
| 17:20.09 | thos | mwester, at least that bug has responses |
| 17:20.18 | mwester | Yes, that one does. |
| 17:20.18 | thos | mwester, I fear there are many more without any response at all |
| 17:20.21 | mwester | Yep. |
| 17:21.15 | thos | plus of course, multiple strategies on who should own bugs |
| 17:21.55 | thos | http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/buglist.cgi?short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&emailassigned_to1=1&emailreporter1=1&emailcc1=1&emaillongdesc1=1&emailtype1=substring&email1=mwester%40dls.net&emailassigned_to2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailcc2=1&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&vo |
| 17:22.02 | thos | OMFG |
| 17:22.06 | thos | sorry |
| 17:22.14 | thos | mwester, so you have 4 bugs you are subscribed to? |
| 17:22.48 | mwester | At least there are 4 I get emails on; I have my own list of others I track (and hope for resolution). |
| 17:23.04 | thos | mwester, add yourself to cc! |
| 17:23.48 | thos | mostly problems with gsm/gsmd though |
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| 17:26.23 | mwester | thos: that's been an area I tried to contrib to |
| 17:26.36 | mwester | GUI's are not my forte. |
| 17:26.39 | mwester | :) |
| 17:27.02 | thos | mwester, the multiplexing with the serial port realy makes gsm quite tricky on gta01 though |
| 17:27.25 | SpeedEvil | checks #695 |
| 17:28.22 | mwester | That's what led to my comments on bug 79: I know of the issues with suspend/resume losing characters from the GSM on resume, and was going to take a look at the driver to see if there's anything to be done there. But I can't get it to work to begin with, whcih complicates the task! :D |
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| 17:29.58 | SpeedEvil | Anyone happen to have a headset handy? I've mislaid mine. |
| 17:30.16 | SpeedEvil | hexdump -C /dev/input/event0 |
| 17:30.28 | SpeedEvil | does the 'hold' button on the headset do anythign? |
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| 17:35.04 | thos | SpeedEvil, I very much doubt it |
| 17:35.11 | thos | SpeedEvil, not anything implemented in software anyway |
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| 17:44.56 | playya | can i use one of my headset from my n800? read something about a four conductor 3,5 mm TRS connector |
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| 17:46.39 | mwester | SpeedEvil: On the latest kernel, no, nothing on /dev/input/event* with the hold button |
| 17:48.32 | mwester | SpeedEvil: there are insert and removal events, but nothing on button push. I wonder if this has been disabled in the kernel -- I seem to recall discussion similar to that on the M.L. |
| 17:48.42 | SpeedEvil | Thanks. |
| 17:48.55 | SpeedEvil | http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=695 |
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| 17:50.09 | mwester | That should be reassigned to someone other than Mr. Shiloh, IMO |
| 17:51.08 | SpeedEvil | I dunno - I just left it at whatever the default was. |
| 17:51.26 | mwester | And, yes - I see Aux button events too. So the latest kernel is still the same. |
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| 18:10.11 | quicksand | playya: I don't think so -- see http://pinouts.ru/CellularPhones-A-N/motorola_headset_pinout.shtml vs. http://pinouts.ru/CellularPhones-Nokia/nokia_handsfree_pinout.shtml |
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| 18:10.46 | quicksand | The Neo connector is Motorola-style, not Nokia-style, as far as I know. This info is on the wiki somewhere, I think. |
| 18:10.56 | playya | argh |
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| 18:11.07 | playya | worked for the wrong company ;) |
| 18:11.13 | quicksand | Heh. |
| 18:12.03 | playya | maybe i find an adapter @ ebay |
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| 18:12.11 | playya | or converter oO |
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| 18:19.25 | wurp2 | I didn't realize there were different styles of 3.5 mm connector |
| 18:20.18 | wurp2 | Why the hell do people sell generic 3.5 mm adapters if there is more than one type of connector? |
| 18:20.23 | wurp2 | er, s/3.5/2.5/ |
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| 18:20.59 | thomasg__ | erm - there is only 1 kind of connectors, have about 10 different adaptercables from different devices here and everyone fits |
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| 18:22.02 | wurp2 | So did I misunderstand the conversation between quicksand and playya, or are you just asserting that they're wrong? |
| 18:23.36 | playya | just ask if its possible because i have 2 nokia headsets lying around |
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| 18:27.01 | quicksand | My reference: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-March/013791.html |
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| 18:50.54 | yoyo_ | hi |
| 18:51.45 | quicksand | hola |
| 18:51.57 | yoyo_ | someone forgot to upload "/sources/git_git.openmoko.org.git.kernel.git_4194.tar.gz" to server :) |
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| 18:53.10 | quicksand | ~blame someone |
| 18:53.11 | apt | ACTION blames someone (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
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| 18:54.24 | yoyo_ | funny :) |
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| 19:15.19 | wurp2 | quicksand: thanks |
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| 19:18.07 | wurp2 | it looks like just an impedance issue, which won't matter for an adapter (adapter will neither help nor hinder) |
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| 19:26.40 | quicksand | The impedance is an issue, plus (if that pinouts site is correct) the mic is on different conductors in Nokia vs. Motorola. |
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| 19:28.17 | ScaredyCat | ..//../ |
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| 19:34.40 | wurp2 | quicksand: yuck. I know I bought my 2.5 - 3.5 adapter without paying any attention to motorola vs nokia |
| 19:34.53 | wurp2 | And it didn't say anything about it on the site where I bought it |
| 19:35.54 | wurp2 | I'm not sure if it really works or not :-( I have to keep the plug about 1.5 mm out of the socket to get stereo sound, and I haven't yet checked if I'm getting real stereo or just one channel shorted to the other |
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| 19:40.53 | quicksand | This is consistent with the pinouts I posted. Nokia L/R audio will be on pins 1-2 (tip and first ring), and Motorola L/R audio will be on pins 2-3 (first and second rings). |
| 19:41.25 | quicksand | So by pulling out a Nokia plug partway, the tip will hit 2 and the first ring will hit 3, and since the ground terminal is longer, that might still be in contact. |
| 19:43.00 | wurp2 | :-( |
| 19:43.30 | wurp2 | Thanks - I apologize for not reading through to the pinouts. I thought the impedance issue listed in the mailing list was the beginning & end of the issue |
| 19:43.47 | wurp2 | It sounds as if I need to buy another adapter |
| 19:44.09 | Qwell | wurp2: or, get an adapter for the adapter |
| 19:44.31 | wurp2 | And perhaps bitch at the company that sold me the first one to note which 2.5 mm plug they're compatible with on their page |
| 19:45.55 | wurp2 | Qwell: heh, what I have now is ugly enough |
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| 19:50.45 | quicksand | No need to apologize -- I fought through this issue myself. Headphones worked, but aux-in to my car didn't. For me it turned out to be the impedance issue: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1198 |
| 19:51.36 | quicksand | So now I have Neo -> 2.5-3.5 adapter -> isolator -> aux input. Ugly, but it works! |
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| 20:08.11 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r157 10/trunk/software/pyneod/ (8 files in 2 dirs): |
| 20:08.11 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: new names, new structure |
| 20:08.11 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: put dbus-stuff on top layer so everyone can play with a different api |
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| 20:55.13 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4328 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 20:55.13 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 2008-04-08 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com> |
| 20:55.13 | CIA-41 | openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-network-dbus.xml: |
| 20:55.13 | CIA-41 | openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-network.c: |
| 20:55.13 | CIA-41 | openmoko: (moko_network_get_home_country_code): |
| 20:55.15 | CIA-41 | openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-network.h: |
| 20:55.19 | CIA-41 | openmoko: Add get_imsi method to MokoNetwork object |
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| 21:59.15 | josch | cb22, camisole josch now wrote michael shiloh an email where he requested an M sized openmoko camisole ^^ |
| 22:04.17 | kdean06 | Lots of bug squashing it appears. |
| 22:05.09 | kdean06 | Sorry, lots of bug activity. ;P |
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| 22:12.41 | mwester | kdean06: where? |
| 22:13.01 | kdean06 | The digest looked like it had a lot of updates. |
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| 22:15.32 | mwester | Ah, ok. I guess I'll get the updates when I get to my other email, then. |
| 22:22.34 | Wiedi | can anyone tell me if the audio quality of the earphone jack is good enough for listening to music on the stereo or if i should go for some extra usb/bluetooth device? |
| 22:22.44 | Wiedi | talking about freerunner |
| 22:26.49 | mwester | unknown at this time; no real tests have been done yet. There are differing opinions on what the frequency response will be on the low end based on the circuit driving the earphone jack. |
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| 22:30.01 | Wiedi | ok thanks, i'll than just wait for it to arrive and try it out *very excited* :) |
| 22:36.01 | cb22 | ping freerunner.om |
| 22:36.52 | cb22 | josch: ... bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha |
| 22:39.36 | mwester | What did you do to josch then? |
| 22:41.27 | cb22 | mwester: we made him forego his tshirt in favour of a camisole |
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| 22:41.40 | mwester | oooo ouch! |
| 22:42.10 | josch | mwester, no problem - there is a girlfriend at hand :P |
| 22:43.27 | cb22 | josch: i hope you can explain what openmoko is :p |
| 22:44.07 | summatusmentis | josch: you did say you would post pictures too ;-) |
| 22:44.08 | josch | cb22, dont worry - she's a geek girl and already very familiar with openmoko |
| 22:44.30 | josch | summatusmentis, as soon as i get the camisole pictures will be taken ^^ |
| 22:44.59 | cb22 | lucky :( mine thinks openmoko is some demented spelling of motorola :/ |
| 22:45.30 | summatusmentis | johang: :) |
| 22:45.48 | josch | the sister of hers calls openmoko: locomoko |
| 22:45.56 | josch | (as in locomotive) |
| 22:46.09 | summatusmentis | cb22: my girlfriend thinks she has to apprease computers in order to make them do what she wants, so I know what you're talking about |
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| 22:47.04 | cb22 | hehehe |
| 22:47.36 | summatusmentis | s/apprease/appease/ |
| 22:47.37 | josch | my girlfriend is a everyday linux user, knows bash and how to configure the heck out of her system :P |
| 22:47.45 | summatusmentis | yeah yeah yeah, rub it in |
| 22:48.16 | cb22 | :( |
| 22:48.27 | cb22 | rub rub rub |
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| 22:49.32 | wirrwarr | nabend |
| 22:49.32 | josch | kk going to bed |
| 22:49.37 | josch | gnight! |
| 22:49.50 | josch | wirrwarr, nabend?? falscher channel ^^ |
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| 22:56.39 | cb22 | traceroute freerunner |
| 22:56.56 | cb22 | tracing route to freerunner over 30 hops max |
| 22:57.35 | cb22 | 01 dvt.om.org |
| 22:57.48 | cb22 | 02 pvt1.om.org |
| 22:58.02 | cb22 | 03 * timed out |
| 22:59.46 | abraxa_ | Your timeout is too low ;3 |
| 23:03.24 | wirrwarr | *amsg*.. ;) |
| 23:04.19 | xcasex | [C/win 15 |
| 23:04.23 | xcasex | glaakjn |
| 23:04.24 | xcasex | ;_; |
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| 23:15.30 | cb22 | anyone here used cellwriter? |
| 23:15.40 | cb22 | it seems to be really good |
| 23:15.51 | cb22 | atleast on a pc with a mouse |
| 23:16.18 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 03andrew * r4329 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/hw/s3c24xx_gpio.c: Correct the bitfields layout in S3C2410's EXTINTn registers - patch from Salil Bijur <salilbijur@gmail.com>. |
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| 23:20.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1329 has been created by mickey(AT)openmoko.org |
| 23:20.01 | cdbot2 | * * GTA02: LEDs are not individually controllable |
| 23:20.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1329 |
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| 23:27.42 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r158 10/trunk/software/py-odeviced/modules/powercontrol-neo.py: py-odeviced: send org.freesmartphone.PowerControl.Power from mainloop when idle |