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| 00:01.16 | gambler | i saw planet.openmoko.org ...is this a veiled chinese way of saying the mass production has started |
| 00:01.38 | abraxa_ | rofl |
| 00:02.03 | abraxa_ | It's just Sean coming out of a crisis of some kind, it seems. Can only be good! :) |
| 00:02.33 | gambler | hope so...also i notice the /title has changed too. |
| 00:02.35 | summatusmentis | Sean coming out of a crisis, and toking it up hard core |
| 00:03.03 | summatusmentis | the /topic you mean? |
| 00:03.15 | summatusmentis | I guess I didn't notice that :) |
| 00:03.37 | summatusmentis | needs to find someone w/ sway, and pay them off |
| 00:03.50 | summatusmentis | I don't think mickey|zzZZzz would take a bribe for me to get a GSoC position |
| 00:04.15 | abraxa_ | summatusmentis: I'd say your changes are pretty high. |
| 00:04.40 | summatusmentis | abraxa_: you've said that :) I'm just getting anxious, and we dont'f find out for a while |
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| 00:27.26 | unknown_lamer | raster: you know about splay trees right? (for predictive text correction) |
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| 00:29.46 | raster | unknown_lamer: nup. don't look at me. i'm a graphics guy |
| 00:29.51 | raster | not some text parsing mofo |
| 00:29.52 | raster | :) |
| 00:30.12 | raster | if i need stuff i tend to build it from first principles |
| 00:30.15 | raster | i always have done so |
| 00:30.28 | raster | i tend to learn a lot that way :) |
| 00:30.49 | raster | but as such i do need an N-way trees |
| 00:30.51 | raster | tree |
| 00:31.07 | raster | whihc frankly can be an N-way tree of file offsets into /usr/share/dict/words |
| 00:31.09 | raster | or whatever |
| 00:31.25 | raster | dont even need binary |
| 00:31.40 | raster | as i can limit my problemspace to N ways per level |
| 00:32.10 | raster | (26 really - tho with accents etc. it could be more... but then again for western langs u can skip accepts and auto-correct themt. |
| 00:32.28 | raster | i.e ? -> e when doing a lookup, but then the final word correction will have the ? in it) |
| 00:33.40 | raster | so it'd equate E,e,?,?,?,?,?, as all the same char when doing a lookup) |
| 00:34.02 | raster | no need for dynamic insert and modify |
| 00:34.10 | raster | the lookusp will happen on primarily static data |
| 00:34.56 | unknown_lamer | raster: a splay tree tends to be optimal for doing text prediction and with a few fancy algorithms can be used for correction (resplaying the tree lets you access nearby words and such cheaply) |
| 00:35.09 | mjr | heh; "have five copies of yuv blending code (unaccelerated, bytewise..., we had to call the ambulance for raster...)" |
| 00:35.24 | raster | heheheh |
| 00:35.25 | raster | :) |
| 00:35.50 | unknown_lamer | raster: you have to think about cache and such since the ARM has so little and hitting memory hurts ... a 26 way tree would have very painful node size overhead |
| 00:36.00 | unknown_lamer | raster: and usually most of thsoe 26 buckets would be empty |
| 00:36.18 | raster | thats a good question actually |
| 00:36.25 | raster | at the base they will be pretty full |
| 00:36.31 | raster | later on they will thin out |
| 00:36.38 | raster | i' |
| 00:36.41 | raster | ll read up on splay trees |
| 00:36.50 | raster | but for now my focus is in fast implementation |
| 00:36.52 | raster | minimal code |
| 00:36.54 | unknown_lamer | whereas with the splay tree you should get good cache performance if it is stored in memory properly (accessing nearby elements most of the time) |
| 00:36.57 | raster | can improve it later |
| 00:37.20 | raster | i 3was intendiing to write it to a mmap()ed file |
| 00:37.21 | unknown_lamer | splay trees are implementable in maybe a hundred lines of code (at least purely functionally ... dunno what evil things being imperative does to it) |
| 00:37.23 | raster | and mmap it |
| 00:38.14 | raster | ooh ewww |
| 00:38.16 | raster | hmm |
| 00:38.22 | raster | i'll be modifying this in memory as i go |
| 00:38.23 | raster | hmm |
| 00:38.28 | raster | there goes the idea of just mmaping it |
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| 00:44.05 | SpeedEvil | passes raster a MMU that does YUV conversion magically in aliased memory spaces. |
| 00:44.10 | unknown_lamer | raster: it might be less work to just add the needed interface to libaspell |
| 00:46.02 | SpeedEvil | raster: would you happen to know of any nice DCT/IDCT transform tutorials ? |
| 00:47.34 | unknown_lamer | raster: (given that aspell already efficiently does the boring difficult parts) |
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| 01:02.25 | raster | SpeedEvil: you'd be a god... if u had one of them |
| 01:02.42 | raster | SpeedEvil: while u're at it have it do multi-tap sampling and other colorspace conversions too :) |
| 01:02.44 | raster | actually |
| 01:02.47 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 01:02.54 | raster | while u do that - just put the gpu into the cpu - as that's what u're doing |
| 01:02.55 | raster | :) |
| 01:03.07 | raster | (and teach the mmu how to be able to do tiled pixel-space mapping) |
| 01:03.25 | SpeedEvil | I was looking at the 'bit banding' options on the Cortex CPUs. |
| 01:03.28 | SpeedEvil | Fun. |
| 01:04.45 | raster | as for DCT/IDCT - nup sorry. can't point. never actually implemented one |
| 01:04.51 | SpeedEvil | K. |
| 01:04.54 | raster | i've always found libjpeg's to be most optimal for me |
| 01:04.55 | raster | :) |
| 01:05.02 | SpeedEvil | Not in 20K of RAM :) |
| 01:05.05 | roh | SpeedEvil cortex looks fine.. i mean.. for an arm |
| 01:05.06 | SpeedEvil | (well - fast RAM) |
| 01:05.06 | raster | aaah |
| 01:05.07 | raster | well yes |
| 01:05.10 | raster | u have an issue there |
| 01:05.11 | raster | :) |
| 01:05.19 | SpeedEvil | I have a bit-banged SDRAM too. |
| 01:05.25 | SpeedEvil | But that's slow for byte access |
| 01:05.32 | roh | there is no byte access. |
| 01:05.39 | raster | unknown_lamer: the problem is then i'll be adding api and depend on it in aspell with no guarantee of it going upstream. it means we need to maintain a patch against aspell |
| 01:05.47 | raster | i'm just wary of that |
| 01:06.07 | SpeedEvil | I mean any quantity under 64 bytes or so, the setup is quite nasty. |
| 01:10.49 | rtm | I've just installed a new rootfs, and am trying to get the gpsd to work again. I've reinstalled gllin and gpsd, but gpsd refuses to run because there is no /dev/ttyS3. Does anyone know what step I've neglected to perform? What creates the /dev/ttyS3 device for gpsd to use? |
| 01:11.57 | SpeedEvil | S3? |
| 01:12.02 | SpeedEvil | you mean ttySAC0? |
| 01:12.16 | SpeedEvil | you mean ttySAC1? |
| 01:12.27 | SpeedEvil | the serial driver should - early in boot |
| 01:12.45 | rtm | nope, I mean /dev/ttyS3. The gpsd package , by default, wants to listen to that device. |
| 01:12.52 | SpeedEvil | Odd. |
| 01:13.33 | rtm | I agree. I got things to work before, but I didn't keep good notes (won't make that mistake again!) and I don't remember dealing with this problem. |
| 01:15.07 | SpeedEvil | It should be trying to read from the named pipe /tmp/nmeaP I think |
| 01:15.44 | rtm | I'll try modifying the config file in /etc/default, to make it do that. |
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| 01:27.40 | rtm | SpeedEvil: That seems to have worked. Thanks for your help. |
| 01:27.46 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 02:00.57 | unknown_lamer | raster: have you looked at the lower levels of the api (assuming a reasonable design in aspell)? Perhaps you could build it as an external library that used those |
| 02:01.10 | unknown_lamer | raster: or just email them and see if they are interesting in a progressive scanning interface |
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| 02:17.09 | roh | c |
| 02:18.34 | mwester | c? |
| 02:18.44 | mwester | si senor. |
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| 02:24.07 | roh | mwester: well.. i thought of a and b before but decided c is ok |
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| 02:28.27 | raster | unknown_lamer: i looked at aspell.h |
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| 03:29.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1321 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com |
| 03:29.01 | cdbot2 | * * switch to headset mode in Dialer |
| 03:29.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1321 |
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| 03:42.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1322 has been created by allen_lin(AT)openmoko.com |
| 03:42.02 | cdbot2 | * * Background noise during conversation |
| 03:42.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1322 |
| 03:49.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1323 has been created by allen_lin(AT)openmoko.com |
| 03:49.01 | cdbot2 | * * Speaker icon doesn't work |
| 03:49.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1323 |
| 03:52.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1324 has been created by allen_lin(AT)openmoko.com |
| 03:52.02 | cdbot2 | * * Headset doesn't work |
| 03:52.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1324 |
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| 04:51.30 | ccfly | good morning :) |
| 04:52.33 | summatusmentis | it's not morning! O\_/O |
| 04:52.41 | ccfly | it is here |
| 04:52.52 | summatusmentis | well... fair enough |
| 04:53.09 | raster | 'avo fellas |
| 04:53.22 | summatusmentis | `avo? what does that mean? |
| 04:54.47 | raster | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=avo |
| 04:55.29 | summatusmentis | interesting. are you in australia raster ? |
| 04:55.40 | raster | 'fukin betcha! |
| 04:55.53 | summatusmentis | cool |
| 04:56.01 | summatusmentis | I've always kinda wanted to go there |
| 04:56.37 | rtm | Does anyone know which package I should uninstall if I want to get rid of all the little games line "Bridge", "Fifteen" et al.? |
| 04:59.02 | raster | summatusmentis: why haven't u gone? |
| 04:59.03 | raster | :) |
| 04:59.43 | summatusmentis | because I'm a freshman in college this year, and have no money |
| 05:00.16 | raster | aaaah the god 'ol money excuse! |
| 05:00.37 | roh | raster hey.. thats why i dont have a driving license |
| 05:00.48 | summatusmentis | it's not really an excuse, just a reason |
| 05:00.52 | raster | summatusmentis: can you swim? |
| 05:00.53 | raster | :) |
| 05:00.54 | Agrajag- | raster: from what i understand, the american education system is much worse off than ours :P |
| 05:00.59 | summatusmentis | raster: yes, but not that far :) |
| 05:01.06 | raster | excuses! |
| 05:01.08 | raster | :) |
| 05:01.14 | summatusmentis | Agrajag-: worse off how? |
| 05:01.32 | raster | Agrajag-: no idea. i thought ours pretty much was suxky |
| 05:01.33 | Agrajag- | summatusmentis: the amount it costs, mainly |
| 05:01.34 | raster | sucky |
| 05:01.48 | raster | roh: but you do use 3g for your internet... :) |
| 05:02.03 | summatusmentis | Agrajag-: oh, yeah, it's kind of ridiculuous. I'm not paying that much, but even still, I don't have money |
| 05:02.17 | roh | raster not anymore. but the pcmcia card is right here... for backup |
| 05:02.32 | raster | roh: hahahahah |
| 05:02.54 | roh | raster and believe me.. eee-pc and some small 3g modem are a killer combination this summer. fits in every girls handbag |
| 05:03.11 | raster | roh: hmmmm very good point |
| 05:03.15 | raster | girls love those eepc's |
| 05:03.23 | raster | size does matter |
| 05:03.24 | raster | :) |
| 05:03.29 | SpeedEvil | roh: some of the very smallest modems look like they might almost be internalisable. |
| 05:03.30 | roh | hrrr |
| 05:03.50 | roh | SpeedEvil yep. too sad that the minipci-express modems are so expensive and hard to come by |
| 05:04.00 | SpeedEvil | I was meaning the USB sticks |
| 05:04.21 | roh | would want such a 7.2mbit hsdpa sierra wireless.. fits into my thinkpad and the eee |
| 05:04.40 | roh | SpeedEvil well.. i know that huawei-egg... still a bit too large |
| 05:04.54 | roh | altleast for an eee or a thinkpad |
| 05:05.10 | SpeedEvil | there are smaller |
| 05:05.28 | roh | mompls... need to hit the bakery downstairs.. 7am |
| 05:05.49 | raster | mmmm bakery |
| 05:05.51 | summatusmentis | anyone here using gsm data in the US? |
| 05:05.56 | raster | roh: get some bretzeln for me |
| 05:06.22 | SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/3-USB-MODEM-STICK-HUAWEI-E169G-PAY-AS-U-GO-SIM-HSDPA_W0QQitemZ160225494822QQihZ006QQcategoryZ96912QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem forex |
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| 05:08.33 | SpeedEvil | Or |
| 05:08.44 | SpeedEvil | http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-broadband/laptop/pay-monthly/t-mobile/usb-modem-stick/overview/?ref=newhome_usbstickhttp://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-broadband/laptop/pay-monthly/t-mobile/usb-modem-stick/overview/?ref=newhome_usbstick |
| 05:08.46 | SpeedEvil | http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-broadband/laptop/pay-monthly/t-mobile/usb-modem-stick/overview/?ref=newhome_usbstick |
| 05:08.48 | SpeedEvil | even |
| 05:10.37 | SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/3-USB-MODEM-STICK-HUAWEI-E169G-PAY-AS-U-GO-SIM-HSDPA_W0QQitemZ160225494822QQihZ006QQcategoryZ96912QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem - Dimensions: 87.3mm x 25.3mm x 12mm |
| 05:10.50 | roh | re |
| 05:11.16 | roh | raster wrong end of the republic. no real good ones here in berlin. but they have schrippen ;) |
| 05:11.19 | SpeedEvil | So without the case, 70*20*8mm is probably reasonable. |
| 05:11.34 | SpeedEvil | Which is probably still too large for the eeepc |
| 05:12.21 | SpeedEvil | Or the GTA01 :) |
| 05:12.39 | roh | hm.. could fit into the space for the minipci express card on the eee |
| 05:12.40 | ccfly | maybe eee is to small but not GTA01 ! ;) |
| 05:12.58 | SpeedEvil | roh: there are two card slots |
| 05:13.15 | SpeedEvil | roh: one is occupied by the minipci modem |
| 05:13.44 | SpeedEvil | roh: the other may have either a minipci connector or not - depending on where you are. Eitehr way - each has a free USB2 port needing only soldering. |
| 05:14.46 | SpeedEvil | There have been lots of mods published - for example - USB hub + bluetooth + 16G USB flash drive in the 'spare' bay. |
| 05:16.04 | roh | SpeedEvil i know.. already modded mine for bt |
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| 05:17.17 | summatusmentis | if I were to purchase a tmobile wap plan for the neo, my traffic would be routed through a wap gateway, would this then send make every website show up as wap on the neo? |
| 05:18.10 | SpeedEvil | summatusmentis: WAP is not the internet. |
| 05:18.13 | SpeedEvil | summatusmentis: where are you? |
| 05:18.33 | raster | roh: what.. no bretzeln! BLASPHEMY! |
| 05:19.47 | SpeedEvil | Have any recent patches been made to make the headset button work? |
| 05:19.48 | SpeedEvil | http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=695 |
| 05:19.57 | SpeedEvil | is not changed at all. |
| 05:19.57 | roh | raster they have some.. but there are subtile differences ;I) |
| 05:20.39 | SpeedEvil | (on GTA01) |
| 05:23.10 | SpeedEvil | Anyone happen to have their headset to hand? |
| 05:23.16 | SpeedEvil | I seem to have mislaid mine. |
| 05:25.05 | summatusmentis | SpeedEvil: I'm in the US |
| 05:25.23 | summatusmentis | I'm trying to plan out data plans (I'm obsessive, i know) |
| 05:26.56 | SpeedEvil | Generally, WAP is not the web. |
| 05:27.04 | SpeedEvil | GPRS is what you want for the web. |
| 05:27.18 | SpeedEvil | This is basically a PPP connection to your mobile phone companies NOC. |
| 05:27.52 | summatusmentis | NOC? |
| 05:27.55 | SpeedEvil | At the 'APN'. This then breaks out onto the internet - usually through some NAT soluition, so inbound connections don't work - to the internet proper. |
| 05:28.03 | SpeedEvil | Network Operating Center |
| 05:28.10 | SpeedEvil | Their main building |
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| 05:28.47 | summatusmentis | SpeedEvil: http://wiki.howardforums.com/index.php/T-Mobile_Data#T-MobileWeb If I set a neo to that, would it only be showing wap pages? |
| 05:28.58 | summatusmentis | or would i be getting full internet, just pretending it was wap? |
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| 05:30.16 | SpeedEvil | It looks like you want T-Mobile Internet internet2.voicestream.com |
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| 05:31.03 | summatusmentis | that's what I was trying to figure out, as to whether or not I could get away w/ the TmobileWeb solution |
| 05:31.13 | summatusmentis | the Internet one is $20/mo |
| 05:31.59 | roh | 20$ .. nice |
| 05:32.10 | SpeedEvil | As I understaqnd it, no. |
| 05:32.14 | roh | 12Euro.. wow |
| 05:32.29 | summatusmentis | roh: well, that's on top of voice, and it's not probably really unlimited |
| 05:32.31 | SpeedEvil | Call tech-support. Ask if you can surf to any website. |
| 05:32.33 | roh | its still 20-25E here. some carriers up to 40 |
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| 05:33.12 | roh | summatusmentis if you want voice or not is disconnected from that. can have both on one sim or both on seperate sims.. or only one of that. |
| 05:34.28 | summatusmentis | roh: I suppose that's true |
| 05:34.42 | summatusmentis | but it still works out to $50/mo |
| 05:34.44 | summatusmentis | approx |
| 05:37.33 | ahven | kindof expencive |
| 05:37.45 | roh | thats about 32euro.. cost of a dsl landline flat with voip |
| 05:39.45 | roh | hm.. i wish there would a be a directory which lists all telco-contracts one can get now and could get before with timeline and tarif matrix.. |
| 05:39.56 | summatusmentis | ahven: exactly |
| 05:40.31 | raster | roh: unacceptable! what's life without wonderful yummy bretzeln! |
| 05:40.40 | ahven | paying 9¤ for my Neo's internet (3GB a month @ GPRS) and 12¤ for my mobile (3GB @ EDGE) |
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| 05:42.20 | summatusmentis | SpeedEvil: from what I'm reading, i can point the phone to a proxy, and get real internet |
| 05:44.08 | SpeedEvil | What do you mean by proxy? |
| 05:44.15 | raster | apoxy |
| 05:44.19 | raster | glue it |
| 05:44.19 | SpeedEvil | The APN is not a proxy |
| 05:44.35 | SpeedEvil | It's the endpoint of the PPP connection. |
| 05:44.58 | SpeedEvil | (which has to be one of your ISPs designated APNs and you have to have authorisation to use it) |
| 05:45.10 | summatusmentis | SpeedEvil: no, I know. I think you then have to set up the net applications to go through a proxy |
| 05:45.28 | summatusmentis | from what I'm reading the 'wap plan' just has a lot of ports closed |
| 05:46.08 | roh | *mumble* |
| 05:46.23 | roh | need new workstation.. notebook hddio is much too slow |
| 05:46.39 | SpeedEvil | passes roh a really fast flash drive. |
| 05:46.47 | roh | too small ;) |
| 05:46.52 | raster | roh: indeed |
| 05:46.59 | raster | i lived on a laptop for a while |
| 05:47.07 | raster | but frankly desktop hdd and IO is just so much better |
| 05:47.10 | raster | faster memory bus |
| 05:47.15 | raster | faster cpus |
| 05:47.16 | raster | etc. |
| 05:47.28 | raster | u can plug in external screens. keyboards etc. all u like into a lappy |
| 05:47.31 | raster | but its still.. a lappy |
| 05:47.40 | roh | raster i can life with 2.4ghz core2duo on 667 ram. just disk io is too slow, even with 7k2 umin sata hdds. |
| 05:48.03 | SpeedEvil | ponders. RAImicroSD |
| 05:48.19 | roh | but its quiet. i like that.. actually i do not want any computers which make noise without reason |
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| 05:48.42 | raster | roh: sure. tho my desktop is quiet |
| 05:48.47 | raster | got a good silent fan in it |
| 05:48.54 | raster | the nvidia gfx actually is noisier than anything else |
| 05:49.08 | roh | hrhrhr |
| 05:49.08 | raster | damn cheap-arse gpu fans |
| 05:49.17 | raster | i should replace it with something decent |
| 05:49.23 | summatusmentis | SpeedEvil: I was looking into it, there should be a way w/ md that one could use the root flash on the neo and a microsd to act as a single raid device |
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| 05:49.41 | roh | yeah.. what do they need fans for anyways. i do not need 3d. i want decent 2d with loads of pixels and dvi connectors |
| 05:50.03 | roh | on nice thing on notebooks. trackpoint AND touchpad. need both. |
| 05:50.14 | roh | and hi-res lcd compared to the desktop stuff |
| 05:50.21 | roh | (high dpi) |
| 05:50.44 | raster | roh: well u want the compositing for 2ed |
| 05:50.57 | raster | but frankly... that could be kept in the 2d part of chips |
| 05:51.00 | roh | raster only when i get it in source. |
| 05:51.02 | raster | but reality means the 3df bit does it now |
| 05:51.25 | raster | i have a built-in gmx3000 on the motherboard |
| 05:51.28 | roh | i have never had solid and stable machines when some frickin binary blob was in play. just fucks up somewhere and nags me |
| 05:51.39 | raster | but i prefer my dual-dvi out of my nvidia 8600 :) |
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| 05:52.15 | roh | btw.. currently compiling drm and xorg-driver-ati from git... will see if it helps |
| 05:53.00 | summatusmentis | goodnight all |
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| 05:55.42 | raster | hmm vnidia's drivers are pretty stable.... for me |
| 05:55.48 | raster | about the same as intel |
| 05:55.52 | raster | nvidia's |
| 05:56.09 | roh | raster you do not use dynamic multihead or suspend, do you? |
| 05:56.23 | raster | it's a desktop |
| 05:56.24 | raster | :) |
| 05:56.37 | roh | well.. reboot time.. bbias |
| 05:56.51 | raster | abd on my laptop dynamic multi-head works quite well with the nvidia drivers |
| 05:57.02 | raster | suspend - thats iffy |
| 05:57.09 | raster | but i dont know if its nvidia or not |
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| 06:01.20 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. Nice. T-mobile (UK) PAYG - you can now get 5 day 'web pass' - unlimited GPRS for 5 days for 2.50 |
| 06:01.23 | SpeedEvil | http://www.google.co.uk/firefox?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official |
| 06:01.25 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 06:01.32 | SpeedEvil | http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-phones/price-plans/pay-as-you-go/ |
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| 06:03.12 | rtm | Does anyone know if there is a way to suppress the little pop-up windows on the neo which appear whenever the unit connects to its service provider? |
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| 06:19.24 | methril | morning |
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| 06:27.39 | raster | 'avo |
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| 06:39.19 | methril | 'avo ?? |
| 06:39.28 | methril | what does it means raster? |
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| 06:41.11 | raster | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=avo |
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| 06:43.59 | cb22 | hmph, whenever i hear the word avo, i get hungry |
| 06:44.49 | cb22 | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=avocado |
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| 06:48.43 | methril | thnks raster :) |
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| 06:54.37 | dvarnes | raster: should really spell it arvo, even though we never say the r! :-) |
| 06:55.02 | raster | i know |
| 06:55.03 | raster | i |
| 06:55.06 | raster | m being phonetic :) |
| 06:55.11 | dvarnes | :-) |
| 06:56.07 | roh | mmmh.. exa still doesnt like me.. well xaa works |
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| 07:14.42 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 03sean_chiang * r4313 10/trunk/src/target/audio/fic-gta02/ (gsmspeakerout.state headset.state): for gsm speaker out and normal headset |
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| 07:24.43 | SpeedEvil | Does anyone happen to have a headset handy? |
| 07:24.57 | cb22 | sure, does anyone happen to have a neo handy? |
| 07:25.40 | SpeedEvil | I do - I just have mislaid my headset. |
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| 07:27.17 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 03sean_chiang * r4314 10/trunk/src/target/audio/fic-gta02/gsmspeakerout.state: gsm speacker out and mic |
| 07:27.48 | SpeedEvil | Oh noes! The Spelling! |
| 07:27.54 | SpeedEvil | runs away. |
| 07:28.29 | roh | SpeedEvil you understood what he meant and it had only one meaning.. be lucky! |
| 07:30.28 | josch | Unknown HZ value! (93) Assume 100. |
| 07:30.31 | josch | Unknown HZ value! (93) Assume 100. |
| 07:30.38 | josch | <= does anybody know what this is?? |
| 07:30.56 | cb22 | mumbles about the thread on the mailing list |
| 07:30.58 | roh | josch what are you doing? |
| 07:31.12 | cb22 | the same people who want more dates, are the ones complaining that the dates haven't been stuck too |
| 07:31.15 | josch | compiling eet on my neo |
| 07:31.46 | SpeedEvil | Mmmm. Dates. |
| 07:31.56 | SpeedEvil | goes to dig in the cupboard. |
| 07:32.14 | josch | i encoutered this message also on openmoko |
| 07:32.23 | doc|home | cb22: in fairness, michael was supposed to talk to someone called steve on thursday and send out a mail |
| 07:32.25 | josch | does anybody know what it means? |
| 07:32.50 | roh | josch not really.. google says its a bug which is gone with 2.6.24.. *sigh* |
| 07:33.05 | josch | möp |
| 07:33.25 | josch | restarted the build - now it's gone... |
| 07:33.53 | josch | i was blaming openmoko for this thing but now it's happening on debian too - has to be a kernel thingy |
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| 07:56.43 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:59.06 | mbuf | Hopscotch, good morning |
| 07:59.41 | fredthecat | Morning |
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| 08:00.45 | josch | raster, hi! as we know from mickeyls post some time ago the evas fb engine is considerably faster than the x11. we also know that x11_16 is faster than x11. did you ever do benchmarks with other engines like directfb, sdl, xrender... if not then i will do some expedite benchmarks on my gta01 |
| 08:01.32 | josch | did i double post? my isp kicked me out of the net... |
| 08:03.06 | raster | josch: fb is not significantly faster |
| 08:03.15 | josch | on gta01 ? |
| 08:03.21 | raster | yup |
| 08:03.35 | josch | http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/2007/12/08/framebuffer-vs-x11/ |
| 08:03.37 | raster | i have actually sped it up |
| 08:03.47 | raster | thats old |
| 08:03.51 | josch | oh kk |
| 08:04.23 | raster | notice the difference when rendering is complex is almost none |
| 08:04.27 | raster | i can tell u why too |
| 08:04.38 | raster | the fb engine converts to 16bpp from 32bpp AS it copies to the fb |
| 08:04.42 | josch | so if i wanna go for pure speed - leaving anything aside - what would be the fastest engine on gta01? fb? and what would it be on freerunner? |
| 08:04.47 | raster | the x11 enigne needs to first convert and copy to a tmp buf |
| 08:04.49 | raster | then copy to screen |
| 08:04.54 | raster | that is the only extra cost |
| 08:04.57 | raster | for x11 vs fb |
| 08:05.17 | josch | i thought it might be slower because of the extra layer of x11 |
| 08:05.28 | raster | i am not even testign dfb - it wont be faster. it wil be slower and lower quality. |
| 08:05.31 | raster | no matter what |
| 08:05.36 | josch | okay |
| 08:05.38 | raster | unless it does accelerattion - which it wont anywhere |
| 08:05.41 | raster | its not us3eful |
| 08:05.47 | emdete | raster: are there drawbacks with fb? |
| 08:05.53 | raster | xrender woudl be usefil if it is acceleated - on gta02 only |
| 08:05.55 | josch | emdete, moin ^^ |
| 08:06.04 | emdete | mojn josch :D |
| 08:06.05 | raster | emdete: yes. only 1 process can draw to the screen |
| 08:06.12 | raster | no way to share it |
| 08:06.24 | emdete | raster: if i wouldn't care, just for performance |
| 08:06.25 | josch | emdete, ha! this is what i saw a dew weeks ago! |
| 08:06.26 | raster | so those benchmarks are old |
| 08:06.31 | raster | i added an shm cache into evas |
| 08:06.42 | raster | to avoid fetching fresh memory pages and having the kernel zero them out |
| 08:06.56 | raster | its probably some of the most advanced software rendering stuff for x11 now |
| 08:06.56 | raster | :) |
| 08:07.11 | raster | in fact... on my desktop i have an nvidia 8600gt |
| 08:08.26 | josch | emdete, do you remember when i told you that it was impossible for me to run zad and pylgrim at the same time because the graphics got messed up? |
| 08:08.35 | raster | gl: |
| 08:08.39 | raster | 1048.49 , EVAS SPEED |
| 08:08.42 | raster | software_x11: |
| 08:08.48 | raster | 860.05 , EVAS SPEED |
| 08:09.01 | raster | software is giving hardware accelerated gl a run for its money |
| 08:09.13 | emdete | josch: no... i do all the time. |
| 08:09.20 | josch | lol? |
| 08:09.28 | josch | emdete, but you do it in the same canvas? |
| 08:09.34 | josch | not with seperate processes? |
| 08:09.37 | emdete | raster: but the main cpu is free to do something else |
| 08:09.44 | emdete | josch: noe |
| 08:09.52 | emdete | josch: sep. processes |
| 08:09.54 | raster | emdete: well - probhably, but u don't notice |
| 08:09.56 | josch | then i have to test it agaon |
| 08:09.58 | raster | its spinning anyway |
| 08:10.01 | raster | :) |
| 08:10.16 | raster | my point tho is |
| 08:10.21 | raster | the software engine is highly optimised |
| 08:10.27 | emdete | raster: so whats the current state of the glamo-software? |
| 08:10.40 | raster | glamo acceleration? |
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| 08:11.27 | emdete | raster: whatever brings speed ;) |
| 08:11.56 | SpeedEvil | yes? |
| 08:12.06 | raster | let me plug in my neo's |
| 08:12.11 | emdete | no, no evil speed. e speed ;) |
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| 08:12.27 | SpeedEvil | never uses e. |
| 08:12.34 | raster | ok |
| 08:12.36 | emdete | SpeedEvil: you should... |
| 08:12.38 | josch | wonders how raster ever manages to hack some code if he's lurking @ #openmoko 24/7... |
| 08:12.39 | raster | gta01 is dead - needs a charge |
| 08:12.41 | raster | gta02 then |
| 08:12.42 | SpeedEvil | Or any other illegal drugs. |
| 08:13.11 | raster | 'emd anyway glamo - right now the only thing the glamo does accelerated is blits (copies from screen to screen or form pixmap to screen or pixmap to pixmap) |
| 08:13.15 | raster | and solid color fills |
| 08:13.19 | raster | nothingt else of interest really |
| 08:13.28 | SpeedEvil | And video playback |
| 08:13.34 | raster | josch: i tend to ignore irc most of the day |
| 08:13.35 | raster | :) |
| 08:14.12 | raster | SpeedEvil: yes. that too - but that in itself is dubiously useful as u likely will not even manage qvga as tkjust uploading qvga @30fps will eat up most of the glamo bandwidth |
| 08:14.18 | raster | (in yuv) |
| 08:14.26 | raster | and u have very little cpu left to do decode |
| 08:14.45 | raster | anyway |
| 08:14.51 | raster | xrender is the engine that u likely want |
| 08:14.56 | raster | as it in theory can accelerate the most |
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| 08:15.02 | raster | not everything can be accelerated |
| 08:15.11 | emdete | raster: but recently that was slower than x11_16 - has that improved? |
| 08:15.17 | raster | and future features in evas when it expands willlikely not be able to be accelerated |
| 08:15.20 | raster | but basic stuff could be |
| 08:15.31 | raster | i actually started makign the xrender engine 16bpp aware just for the glamo |
| 08:15.32 | SpeedEvil | raster: I was assuming the DCT engine could be used |
| 08:15.37 | raster | and yes |
| 08:15.39 | raster | xrneder is slow |
| 08:15.48 | raster | thats because currently u see a pure software impl of xrender |
| 08:15.50 | raster | int he xserver |
| 08:16.03 | raster | its software is far slowe than evas's own "in-house" stuff |
| 08:16.13 | raster | SpeedEvil: it can't be :( |
| 08:16.20 | raster | and likely never will be |
| 08:16.21 | raster | :/ |
| 08:16.23 | SpeedEvil | Not for video? |
| 08:16.27 | SpeedEvil | Oh dear. |
| 08:16.27 | raster | not within xv |
| 08:16.39 | raster | we have a problem right now |
| 08:16.45 | raster | glamo docs are nda |
| 08:16.50 | SpeedEvil | Yeah. |
| 08:16.52 | raster | right now the only people with docs are OM |
| 08:17.04 | raster | we can't release those nda'd docs |
| 08:17.09 | raster | i can talk all i want about the glamo |
| 08:17.13 | raster | but i can't give u the docs |
| 08:17.19 | raster | so the community cant go implement stuff |
| 08:17.24 | raster | we need to do it |
| 08:17.34 | raster | and frankly - we will eventually have new products |
| 08:17.48 | raster | and glamo drivers wil be a finiancially silly thng to invest time and money on |
| 08:17.56 | raster | the longer time goes on. |
| 08:18.04 | SpeedEvil | points raster to cryptome.org |
| 08:18.13 | raster | so really xglamo will always implement a subset of what in theory can be done with the glamo |
| 08:18.20 | SpeedEvil | The calypso docs are already there. The full set would be good :) |
| 08:18.27 | raster | can't help u |
| 08:18.31 | SpeedEvil | I know. |
| 08:18.32 | raster | i am not going to leak docs |
| 08:18.40 | SpeedEvil | I wasn't being serious. |
| 08:18.55 | raster | when it comes to legal stuff i am pretty straight down the line :) |
| 08:19.18 | raster | but my poiunt is - in reality - u'll never see anythign beyond yuv accel |
| 08:19.26 | raster | xrender will get partly accelerated |
| 08:19.32 | raster | and likely thats all we will ever manage |
| 08:19.32 | SpeedEvil | wonders how much time it would cost to pull the glamo. |
| 08:19.39 | raster | itsd all i really thought we'd end up with anyway |
| 08:20.01 | SpeedEvil | Bitblit will of course help smoothness and nice scroling. |
| 08:20.15 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 03graeme * r4315 10/trunk/src/target/audio/ (34 files in 4 dirs): rename fic -> om in audio state files as well |
| 08:21.01 | SpeedEvil | Do you happen to know if there are docs on the HH NDAd? Or do they just supply a object module? |
| 08:21.07 | raster | SpeedEvil: yes - tho for evas it doesnt know "Scrolling" |
| 08:21.10 | raster | it only knows redraws |
| 08:21.13 | SpeedEvil | Ow. |
| 08:21.36 | raster | as such scroling is an artifact of moving N objects together at the same time in the same direction |
| 08:21.48 | raster | i had originally planned on having motion vector detection at the object level |
| 08:21.59 | raster | but frankly it was proving to be complex and ugly |
| 08:22.27 | SpeedEvil | But objects can largely be moved without traffic over the bus? |
| 08:22.36 | SpeedEvil | Or are they all going over the bus every repaint. |
| 08:22.38 | raster | i gave up - as frankly the way hardware wass goi9ng for acceleration |
| 08:22.45 | raster | its going via the 3d pipe line |
| 08:22.55 | raster | and full redrwas are so amazingly fast no one bothers "blitting" |
| 08:22.58 | raster | for sxcrolling |
| 08:23.00 | raster | u just redraw |
| 08:23.13 | SpeedEvil | Ah - right. I was taking redraw to be from the CPU across the bus. |
| 08:23.20 | raster | right now with evas when it scrolls all pixels are going over the bus (for software rendering) |
| 08:23.32 | raster | it completely re-draws the affected region(s) |
| 08:23.36 | raster | and uploads |
| 08:23.54 | raster | for exrender - even tho its a redraw - the objects should live in video ram |
| 08:24.01 | raster | and thus a redoaw should be fast(er) |
| 08:24.12 | raster | redraw |
| 08:24.17 | SpeedEvil | And involve no bus traffic? |
| 08:24.21 | SpeedEvil | well - little |
| 08:24.23 | raster | as for docs - no docs for glamo anywhere |
| 08:24.30 | raster | other than nda'd ones we have |
| 08:24.37 | raster | well buys traffic for commands |
| 08:24.39 | SpeedEvil | I was meaning the GPS - hammerhead. |
| 08:24.43 | raster | and new objects (pixmaps) will need uploads |
| 08:24.47 | raster | first time they are used |
| 08:24.56 | SpeedEvil | I know that anotehr GPS is in GTA02 |
| 08:24.57 | raster | dunno about gps |
| 08:24.57 | raster | :) |
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| 08:25.13 | SpeedEvil | Just idly wondering, as at one point I was hopeful of getting it working. |
| 08:25.56 | Sup3rkiddo | hi all |
| 08:26.07 | raster | ok |
| 08:26.11 | ScaredyCat | miew |
| 08:26.27 | raster | doing a test of fb vs x11 vs xrender vs software-x11 vs software-16-x11 |
| 08:26.39 | raster | Sup3rkiddo: yo |
| 08:26.42 | raster | anyway |
| 08:26.56 | raster | m y hope is that enough xrender ops can be acclerated to make it useful |
| 08:27.02 | thos | SpeedEvil, how much do you know about gps on gta02? |
| 08:27.04 | josch | raster, doing a test using expedite on the freerunner? |
| 08:27.06 | raster | according to glamo docs a subset can be done |
| 08:27.10 | raster | not as much as i'd like |
| 08:27.13 | SpeedEvil | thos: I've been ignoring it. |
| 08:27.16 | raster | but maybe just enough to grease by |
| 08:27.19 | thos | SpeedEvil, ok |
| 08:27.24 | raster | josch: yes. |
| 08:27.28 | josch | nice! |
| 08:27.31 | SpeedEvil | thos: as the dropping of HH somewhat pissed me off. |
| 08:27.33 | raster | xcrender is a useless test actually |
| 08:27.50 | thos | SpeedEvil, I was going to see if I could find it on mine |
| 08:27.58 | SpeedEvil | thos: find it? |
| 08:28.00 | thos | SpeedEvil, and verify if it worked |
| 08:28.03 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 08:28.10 | SpeedEvil | As I understad it, it's a NMEAchip. |
| 08:28.16 | thos | yeah |
| 08:28.21 | SpeedEvil | cu /dev/ttySAC1 |
| 08:28.29 | SpeedEvil | or similar should get you talking to it. |
| 08:28.39 | SpeedEvil | I have no idea how you'd turn it on. |
| 08:28.47 | thos | ah ok |
| 08:28.52 | SpeedEvil | find /sys -name "*gps*" |
| 08:28.58 | thos | I got wireless working though |
| 08:29.02 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 08:29.09 | SpeedEvil | thos: what's the SD speed? |
| 08:29.15 | thos | SD? |
| 08:29.21 | SpeedEvil | Secure Digital |
| 08:29.25 | SpeedEvil | the teeny little card |
| 08:29.26 | thos | dunno |
| 08:29.30 | thos | yes :-P |
| 08:29.46 | SpeedEvil | Just wondering - as I'm getting 3 meg a second on GTA01 |
| 08:29.58 | thos | SpeedEvil, do you want to try it? |
| 08:30.12 | SpeedEvil | Try what? |
| 08:30.19 | thos | the speed |
| 08:30.23 | raster | SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW |
| 08:30.30 | SpeedEvil | I have no GTA02. |
| 08:30.46 | SpeedEvil | checks under the pillow. |
| 08:30.49 | SpeedEvil | Nope. |
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| 08:31.19 | thos | raster, have you tried wifi much? |
| 08:31.24 | raster | thos: never. |
| 08:32.28 | SpeedEvil | goes back to investigating wifi USB key power consumption and where I can slice open my GTA01. |
| 08:34.46 | raster | might finish fb test soon... grrr |
| 08:35.44 | josch | had some erros on two expedite benchmarks when doing them with engine x11_16 |
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| 08:36.51 | raster | yeah |
| 08:37.12 | thos | SpeedEvil, 88.96.30.68 |
| 08:37.26 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 08:39.19 | SpeedEvil | thos: nothing |
| 08:39.24 | raster | got fb |
| 08:39.25 | raster | not x11 |
| 08:39.28 | raster | now |
| 08:39.29 | thos | SpeedEvil, I seem to have routing problems |
| 08:39.32 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 08:41.21 | edistar | raster: pls publish some results + interpretation and future development somewhere, e.g. ml or blog - it should interest many people:) |
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| 08:42.20 | josch | seconded |
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| 08:43.26 | raster | edistar: grrrr. that takes too much time |
| 08:44.23 | CM | Dump the results in a pastebin so someone can format and blog it ;) |
| 08:44.36 | josch | kk... then uploading all 5 reults in pastebin has to be enough |
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| 08:44.52 | edistar | communities just take some time;) |
| 08:45.06 | CM | josch: ;) |
| 08:45.25 | raster | 5? |
| 08:45.32 | raster | no point doing xrender |
| 08:45.45 | raster | its going to sock as its got zero accel at all |
| 08:45.51 | raster | currently... |
| 08:46.04 | josch | lol |
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| 08:46.18 | cedric | hey raster |
| 08:46.23 | raster | cedric: yo yo |
| 08:46.29 | cedric | i have a fix for eet :) |
| 08:46.42 | raster | josch: and software-x11-16 will not finish due to incomplete software-16 engine stuff |
| 08:46.46 | raster | cedric: yay! |
| 08:46.59 | cedric | it was obvious in fact :) |
| 08:47.12 | josch | raster, you know about the errors? |
| 08:47.24 | raster | yes |
| 08:47.28 | raster | the ARGB tests |
| 08:47.33 | raster | known about them a long time |
| 08:47.36 | raster | i dont inted to fix it |
| 08:47.36 | josch | exactly |
| 08:47.47 | raster | intend |
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| 08:48.04 | josch | would it be sufficent to have a cli switch to skip these tests? |
| 08:48.13 | raster | cedric: often the interesting bugs turn out to be :) |
| 08:48.20 | raster | josch: u can skip in the gui |
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| 08:48.29 | raster | but i dont see a point of doing a skip |
| 08:48.32 | raster | the engine does fail |
| 08:48.43 | raster | the engine has other rendering bugs elsewhere too |
| 08:48.46 | josch | raster, last time i did the x11_16 benchmarks i did exactly that but it was a rather lenghy process ^^ |
| 08:48.57 | raster | its not an enigne i would say that "passes" |
| 08:49.00 | raster | it is faster |
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| 08:54.52 | raster | josch: SpeedEvil edistar .... http://www.rasterman.com/files/gta02-evas-comparison-fb-vs-x11.pdf |
| 08:55.27 | josch | expected results i would say... |
| 08:55.34 | edistar | thanks |
| 08:56.14 | raster | and of course - the simpler the drawing - the greater the extra copy costs |
| 08:56.19 | raster | the more complex - the less it costs |
| 08:56.35 | raster | so rect solid few is evas just doing solid color fills in software |
| 08:56.39 | raster | no read/modify write |
| 08:56.46 | raster | just blasting writes as fast as possible |
| 08:56.58 | raster | and it even does zero over-draw thanks to pre-clipping |
| 08:57.09 | raster | so basically in 4effect evas fills an update buffer |
| 08:57.20 | raster | THEN it convertts to 16bpp THEN copies 16bpp to screen in x11 |
| 08:57.29 | raster | it fills buffer then converts AND copies in the fb engine |
| 08:57.38 | raster | so u skip a whole copy - thus an almost double speedup |
| 08:57.46 | raster | as the redraw is so simple |
| 08:58.22 | josch | nice to know |
| 08:58.25 | josch | very educational |
| 08:58.30 | raster | once u get more complex |
| 08:58.33 | raster | with blending, scaling etc. |
| 08:58.42 | raster | the cost of the draw - as a percentage of the cycle goes up |
| 08:58.49 | raster | and thus the extra copy cost decreases a lot - relatively |
| 08:59.13 | raster | yes - u get more speed in the fb |
| 08:59.16 | raster | but u pay a price |
| 08:59.21 | raster | 1 app only |
| 08:59.32 | raster | no existing x apps |
| 08:59.36 | raster | otyher than that its ok |
| 08:59.46 | josch | thanks raster ! :-D |
| 08:59.55 | josch | i learned a lot! |
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| 09:02.39 | raster | :) |
| 09:02.48 | raster | personally i'd pay the price for the x11 advantages |
| 09:02.53 | raster | ie multiple processes |
| 09:02.55 | raster | existing x apps |
| 09:02.58 | raster | other toolkits |
| 09:02.58 | raster | etc. |
| 09:03.13 | raster | as any "interesting" drawing will be more than simple single-color fills |
| 09:03.14 | raster | :) |
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| 09:07.43 | ScaredyCat | what are those numbers in raster? |
| 09:08.03 | raster | expedite fps numbers per test |
| 09:08.47 | ScaredyCat | ok... just checking... since that kinda changes the result :) |
| 09:09.06 | josch | ScaredyCat, what did you think it would be? |
| 09:09.20 | ScaredyCat | I didn't know so I asked... |
| 09:09.26 | raster | the higher - the better |
| 09:09.29 | raster | proportionally |
| 09:09.30 | raster | :) |
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| 09:09.55 | ScaredyCat | it could have been 1000's of a second or anything... redraws a day ... slices of cheese eaten |
| 09:10.15 | josch | or lolcats per day |
| 09:10.59 | ScaredyCat | still, it doesn;t look good for x... |
| 09:11.18 | josch | ScaredyCat, you heard the disadvantage of fb |
| 09:11.25 | raster | hahahaha |
| 09:11.36 | raster | ScaredyCat: as such its pretty good for x |
| 09:11.37 | raster | :) |
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| 09:11.39 | ScaredyCat | I don't really want fb |
| 09:11.56 | josch | this is also not a real reallife benchmark as normal apps wont to simple solid rects in most cases |
| 09:12.04 | raster | given the extra copy overhead the results are entirely proportional to that overhead - and not an nounce more |
| 09:12.27 | raster | so x ITSELF is no overhead |
| 09:12.46 | raster | the fact that x itself isont converting from 32bpp TO 16bpp AS it copies to the screen is the problem |
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| 09:13.01 | raster | as the fb enigne can take that shortcut as its all internal to evas |
| 09:13.45 | ScaredyCat | well, yes, it's 44% slower... which is a lot |
| 09:13.57 | josch | not really |
| 09:14.02 | josch | only the avaerage ist 44% |
| 09:14.33 | josch | in reallife you wont have an application that uses all the benchmarked feature this way |
| 09:15.22 | josch | just look at the "Rect Solid Few" test which is 96% faster - did you ever see an app with solid rects?? |
| 09:15.39 | ScaredyCat | well, it's a benchmark. |
| 09:15.52 | raster | yup |
| 09:15.58 | ScaredyCat | of course normal aps don't do that. |
| 09:16.00 | raster | its just a benchmark |
| 09:16.02 | ScaredyCat | apps |
| 09:16.16 | raster | u need to basically look at specific tests that map to your ui's usage |
| 09:16.22 | ScaredyCat | yes.. |
| 09:16.32 | ScaredyCat | but you didn;t do that... :) |
| 09:16.39 | edistar | why not have a benchmark that simulates rl-apps? |
| 09:16.42 | ScaredyCat | the benchmark is what we get to see |
| 09:16.56 | SpeedEvil | passes edistar an empty editor. |
| 09:17.12 | ScaredyCat | yu'd have to write them... and you know what raster's code is like... :P |
| 09:17.12 | raster | edistar: because every benchmark takes time to write |
| 09:17.22 | raster | expedite is meant to isolate specific drawign paths |
| 09:17.29 | josch | and because every app is different |
| 09:17.30 | raster | so i know if that path is wrong or right, slow or fast |
| 09:18.19 | josch | as me and emdete did it one would have to try different ways to do things on their own - not depending too much on such benchmarks |
| 09:18.36 | ScaredyCat | yes, bu you're not going to do it for specific apps all the time, you average it out to make the decision |
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| 09:19.25 | josch | bottomline: if you do an app which is the only one running then use fb engine - if not use x11... |
| 09:21.05 | raster | josch: depends what other infra u want :) |
| 09:21.18 | raster | i am not sure of the tslib support is all kosher |
| 09:21.21 | raster | never checked |
| 09:21.27 | josch | ah this... |
| 09:21.30 | josch | dont know either |
| 09:21.46 | josch | but i'm going to try this out sometime |
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| 09:26.09 | SpeedEvil | raster: http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=22284 |
| 09:27.03 | SpeedEvil | HDSPA eepc mod |
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| 09:28.54 | josch | hehe - modding the eee seems to be fun these days |
| 09:29.04 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 09:30.14 | cb22 | in 6 hours mine will arrive :) |
| 09:31.00 | cb22 | 4g surf - you can change the ram, you just need to take the whole case off |
| 09:31.03 | ScaredyCat | ~lart cross posters |
| 09:31.03 | apt | squeezes cross posters till cross posters turns blue like papa smurf |
| 09:31.20 | CM | Hehe |
| 09:31.20 | cb22 | plus, i'm going to have an extra usb port (that was the cam) for my bluetooth :) |
| 09:31.29 | SpeedEvil | cbrake_away: no need |
| 09:31.44 | SpeedEvil | cb22: you can solder to the expansion bay USB ports |
| 09:32.14 | cb22 | ah right, the mini pci-x ones? |
| 09:32.24 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 09:33.09 | josch | the best mod i ever saw: http://beta.ivancover.com/wiki/index.php/Eee_PC_Internal_Upgrades |
| 09:34.13 | cb22 | yeah, that guys eee is pimp |
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| 09:35.41 | josch | add a touchscreen and gsm and there you have your free phone ^^ |
| 09:36.40 | SpeedEvil | GSM is easy |
| 09:37.08 | josch | any recommendation? |
| 09:37.15 | SpeedEvil | modules on ebay |
| 09:37.21 | SpeedEvil | search gsm module |
| 09:39.13 | ScaredyCat | !!!!!!!!!! |
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| 09:39.53 | josch | ?????????? |
| 09:40.05 | ScaredyCat | sees a gsm mux installed |
| 09:40.10 | ScaredyCat | oh ...lol |
| 09:40.32 | ScaredyCat | sorry... just flashed the wrong image.. |
| 09:40.36 | ScaredyCat | slaps self |
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| 09:47.06 | josch | SpeedEvil, you were right! there are gsm modules that can easily be added via rs232! |
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| 09:48.09 | SpeedEvil | adds 'speedevil is always right' to the topic. |
| 09:48.12 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 09:48.44 | emdete | ScaredyCat: you meant you installed the right image! :D |
| 09:48.57 | ScaredyCat | heheheheh |
| 09:49.00 | josch | ^^ |
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| 09:51.44 | SpeedEvil | adds some GPS info for GTA02 to wiki. Thanks thos. |
| 09:52.57 | SpeedEvil | josch: GPS, HSDPA, bluetooth, 16GB USB stick, GSM |
| 09:53.04 | cb22 | looks like josch gets the free tshirt |
| 09:53.35 | josch | cb22, well /if/ michael shiloh was serious about it ^^ |
| 09:54.09 | cb22 | hey, josch you get this cool free tshirt! just pay the $99.99 shipping, and we'll send it right to you :) |
| 09:54.30 | josch | hahaha |
| 09:54.38 | ScaredyCat | Surely Dell aren't sending it ? :P |
| 09:55.04 | josch | SpeedEvil, why gsm modem if you already have hspda modem? |
| 09:55.13 | SpeedEvil | Why not! |
| 09:55.14 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 03chris * r4318 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/libmokoui2/ (ChangeLog libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c): |
| 09:55.14 | CIA-41 | openmoko: * libmokoui/moko-finger-scroll.c |
| 09:55.14 | CIA-41 | openmoko: (moko_finger_scroll_button_press_cb), |
| 09:55.14 | CIA-41 | openmoko: (moko_finger_scroll_motion_notify_cb), |
| 09:55.14 | CIA-41 | openmoko: (moko_finger_scroll_button_release_cb): |
| 09:55.16 | CIA-41 | openmoko: Don't bother checking the last event type when detecting infinite |
| 09:55.20 | CIA-41 | openmoko: loops, it just causes problems with double-clicking |
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| 09:55.37 | josch | SpeedEvil, cant you do gsm stuff with the hsdpa modem itself so you only need one sim card? |
| 09:55.49 | SpeedEvil | no :( |
| 09:55.54 | josch | ah kk |
| 09:56.01 | SpeedEvil | At least not according to the network |
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| 09:56.55 | cb22 | xkcd.com |
| 09:57.04 | cb22 | thats how the gps should be! |
| 09:57.44 | josch | aye |
| 09:57.53 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: do you have a secret stash of gta02s that you are not telling us about? :) |
| 09:58.00 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 09:58.05 | SpeedEvil | ssh |
| 09:58.50 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r146 10/trunk/specifications/otapi/ (8 files): |
| 09:58.50 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Added async annotation to each method. |
| 09:58.50 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Added proper direction to GetStatus method's parameters. |
| 10:01.00 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r147 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (29 files in 5 dirs): |
| 10:01.00 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Updated dbus xml files and corresponding code. |
| 10:01.00 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Added more tests to network interface. |
| 10:01.00 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Implemented getstatus method and status signal. |
| 10:01.00 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: Added network status to modem struct. |
| 10:03.45 | cb22 | oooh, shiny gsmd2 |
| 10:04.55 | SpeedEvil | To be shiny, it needs polished. |
| 10:05.00 | SpeedEvil | Sounds like it's more ore at teh moment. |
| 10:06.04 | cb22 | shiny ore! :) |
| 10:08.18 | torpor | yo |
| 10:08.19 | torpor | shine |
| 10:08.26 | torpor | whats news folks? |
| 10:09.14 | cb22 | *tumbleweed roles past* |
| 10:09.23 | cb22 | s/roles/rolls/ |
| 10:09.29 | Stephmw | starts offering Candy around for more polish |
| 10:10.01 | cb22 | points to raster |
| 10:10.13 | cb22 | you might as well buy him the candyshop :p |
| 10:11.00 | torpor | yawn |
| 10:11.03 | torpor | goes back to sleep |
| 10:11.39 | cb22 | torpor: walk up in 2 years |
| 10:12.13 | torpor | yup |
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| 10:15.23 | no_mind | how do one apply for mentorship with openmoko GS0C ? |
| 10:20.26 | abraxa_ | On Openmoko, you don't become a mentor. A mentor is becoming You! :) |
| 10:21.13 | abraxa_ | Less jokingly: you can apply through the GSoC web app but the chances of anyone becoming a mentor that mickey doesn't know are pretty much nil |
| 10:23.05 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, that was horrendously lame |
| 10:23.17 | abraxa_ | =( |
| 10:23.21 | abraxa_ | hides |
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| 10:23.38 | abraxa_ | I know, I suck at memes. |
| 10:26.32 | CM | :) |
| 10:26.46 | raster | points at cb22 |
| 10:27.11 | abraxa_ | Ahoy CM |
| 10:27.20 | CM | Hey there |
| 10:27.33 | nezza-_- | raster: is edje using a lot of float calculations at runtime? |
| 10:27.46 | raster | nezza-_-: it will use some - it depends |
| 10:27.49 | abraxa_ | How come you talk to sparingly lately? Looks to me like the vicinity to your girlfriend is blurring your vision for the *really* important things in life! ;) |
| 10:28.11 | nezza-_- | raster: mhh ok.. cause i want to use it on a plattform where float operations are really slow |
| 10:28.32 | raster | nezza-_-: like the gta01/02? |
| 10:28.35 | raster | :) |
| 10:28.37 | CM | abraxa_: Yeah, that and 3 months working at a bank |
| 10:28.49 | CM | Last day was on friday, so finally I can ssh again |
| 10:28.56 | CM | Damn they had tight firewalls |
| 10:28.59 | CM | :( |
| 10:29.06 | raster | tight as a nun |
| 10:29.07 | nezza-_- | raster: yes ;) but its an hardware which is designed by me ;) |
| 10:29.10 | no_mind | mickey doesnt knows me :( |
| 10:29.27 | abraxa_ | raster: Great minds think alike... |
| 10:29.27 | raster | nezza-_-: it runs fine on the gta01/02 |
| 10:29.31 | raster | as such it uses float |
| 10:29.34 | nezza-_- | raster: yeah i know ;) |
| 10:29.36 | raster | but not "a lot" |
| 10:29.40 | raster | but again - it all depends |
| 10:29.44 | nezza-_- | raster: okay.. so i will give it a try |
| 10:29.49 | nezza-_- | on what does it depend? |
| 10:29.51 | raster | try it and see |
| 10:29.57 | raster | it will dependa lot on your usage patterns |
| 10:30.02 | raster | well usage patterns |
| 10:30.06 | abraxa_ | CM: Ohhh, nice! |
| 10:30.07 | raster | designs artists do |
| 10:30.08 | raster | etc. |
| 10:30.11 | nezza-_- | okay.. |
| 10:30.13 | raster | there is no simple answer |
| 10:30.22 | raster | it isnt using floats in tight rendering loops |
| 10:30.26 | raster | its not so silly |
| 10:30.33 | raster | but it does use them for layout calculations |
| 10:30.34 | CM | abraxa_: Also, I've failed to build openmoko for two months straight now |
| 10:30.42 | nezza-_- | ok, but thanks a lot! one more question.. are you actually developing rotation functions for edje? |
| 10:30.45 | CM | abraxa_: Annoys me to no end.. I just can't get pth to build |
| 10:31.02 | CM | I've restarted from absolute zero 5 times, tried everything.. :( |
| 10:31.04 | raster | nezza-_-: nup. it's not edje's job - it would be for evas |
| 10:31.15 | raster | and i'm not for evas - not for the time being |
| 10:31.21 | raster | basically doign rotation and scaling |
| 10:31.23 | nezza-_- | raster: yeah right.. didnt get it ;) |
| 10:31.25 | raster | and making it good quality is hard |
| 10:31.26 | nezza-_- | okay |
| 10:31.31 | raster | and i have just chosen to avoid it |
| 10:31.32 | abraxa_ | CM: Pastebin the error message when you can? =3 |
| 10:31.34 | raster | for now |
| 10:31.55 | nezza-_- | yeah i know its hard to do it.. mhh i think i will implement screen rotation in hardware.. should be better |
| 10:32.13 | nezza-_- | with an external graphic accelerator |
| 10:32.58 | raster | oh - evas has whole canvas rotation |
| 10:33.06 | raster | i thought u wanted individual object rotation |
| 10:33.10 | nezza-_- | raster: really? :D |
| 10:33.22 | CM | abraxa_: http://bugs.openembedded.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3988 |
| 10:33.34 | nezza-_- | raster: yeah this would be fine, too.. but if evas got something to rotate the complete canvas... |
| 10:33.50 | CM | abraxa_: I think I need to cook up some patch that forces pth to use standard posix threads. |
| 10:33.54 | abraxa_ | CM: acc.umu.se... you graduated from the same university as the Phun guy? |
| 10:34.01 | raster | nezza-_-: it does. |
| 10:34.02 | CM | phun? |
| 10:34.11 | nezza-_- | raster: i didn't find anything about this.. can you give me a hint? |
| 10:34.13 | raster | nezza-_-: if u use ecore_evas - there are rotate calls |
| 10:34.14 | CM | abraxa_: I might, acc = Academic Computer Club |
| 10:34.18 | CM | In my home town :) |
| 10:34.24 | nezza-_- | raster: okay |
| 10:34.29 | raster | ecore_evas_rotation_set() |
| 10:34.40 | abraxa_ | CM: http://phun.cs.umu.se/wiki |
| 10:34.50 | Sup3rkiddo | just a nooby question, will tuxonice patchsets work well with neo |
| 10:34.55 | CM | Ah, yeah, that one |
| 10:35.11 | CM | Compiz guy too, David Reveman was in my computer graphics class :) |
| 10:35.11 | nezza-_- | raster: well thank you very much! this is great to know :) |
| 10:35.14 | abraxa_ | CM: I'm actually surprised that you're hitting that problem... ScaredyCat and others don't seem to have it |
| 10:36.11 | CM | abraxa_: I know, no one else seem to have that build failure. And I've really started from scratch, just the makefile. And tried with and without binary locales, I tried the 2.0.7 version of pth.. Nothing works, always fails. Bugs me to no end |
| 10:36.11 | ScaredyCat | that's because we know what we're doing ;) |
| 10:36.16 | CM | :-P |
| 10:36.21 | ScaredyCat | hehhe |
| 10:36.43 | CM | I'm seriously thinking about trying a build in a debian vmware image or so just to get past that stinking package |
| 10:37.45 | abraxa_ | CM: Maybe the package isn't sandboxed properly and relies on some host libs? |
| 10:37.48 | ScaredyCat | isn't there a vmware image floating about |
| 10:37.57 | raster | nezza-_-: :) |
| 10:38.25 | CM | abraxa_: It must be something like that. And since I'm on 64-bit gentoo I'm sure I have some odd header file or so |
| 10:38.34 | abraxa_ | Sounds like it |
| 10:39.19 | abraxa_ | Maybe you can just stuff some 32-bit libc and junk into /usr/lib and hope it'll be found? ;) |
| 10:39.20 | CM | thinks oe is sandboxed like a sieve |
| 10:39.51 | CM | I have a whole 32-bit multi-lib in /usr/lib32.. |
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| 10:41.06 | abraxa_ | Maybe it's looking in /usr/lib, though |
| 10:41.12 | Stephmw | stuffs ashish into his pipe and smokes him |
| 10:41.16 | abraxa_ | Hardcoded paths... I wouldn't be surprised :) |
| 10:41.36 | CM | ScaredyCat: Hey, 19 votes already :) |
| 10:41.36 | ScaredyCat | lol Stephmw |
| 10:41.44 | ScaredyCat | :D |
| 10:41.58 | ashish | hahaha you might require one H of this first |
| 10:42.04 | ashish | :D |
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| 10:52.46 | SpeedEvil | votes? |
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| 10:53.35 | ScaredyCat | http://blog.automated.it |
| 10:53.43 | ScaredyCat | the 3g poll thing |
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| 10:55.23 | roh | ScaredyCat cool. nice |
| 10:55.35 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 10:56.31 | SpeedEvil | It need thhe ability to select multiples. |
| 10:56.38 | SpeedEvil | 1 and 4 |
| 10:57.05 | gi-el | vote twice |
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| 10:57.30 | ScaredyCat | well, I do have the option for that.. but then some smart ass would vote for all 4 |
| 10:57.33 | ScaredyCat | 5 |
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| 11:09.05 | CM | 40 votes |
| 11:09.07 | CM | :) |
| 11:10.47 | ScaredyCat | there I was thinking I had all that traffic and it's CM refreshing ! |
| 11:11.25 | CM | Hehe.. I just happened to get the planet.openmoko feed now and had to see if any more people had clicked |
| 11:16.28 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 11:17.30 | thos | votes |
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| 11:23.54 | bentob0x | little problem with bitpim (I hope you don't mind me asking here): when I run the phone settings and choose a comm port, the bluetooth shows up in the 'Ports not available' section (available: false - it was not possible to open this port), any idea how I can make the bluetooth available to bitpim? |
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| 11:31.55 | SpeedEvil | stabs ndiswrapper in a way. |
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| 11:33.36 | ScaredyCat | what sort of way? |
| 11:33.53 | SpeedEvil | The 'Oh - it works for x86, we can ignore it now' way. |
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| 11:35.26 | ScaredyCat | :) |
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| 11:44.24 | cb22 | i keep on seeing 400/500mhz for the s2442, can it run at 500 in the freerunner? |
| 11:47.34 | cb22 | spams the wiki with ScaredyCat's poll link |
| 11:48.00 | cb22 | ScaredyCat: i hope you have lots of bandwidth :p |
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| 11:57.38 | cb22 | ScaredyCat: 10 votes O-o |
| 11:57.41 | cb22 | s/10/100/ |
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| 12:12.56 | maroi | now its on the community list -> more votes :) |
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| 12:16.01 | cb22 | couldnt resist spamming it everywhere :p |
| 12:16.24 | thos | instructions for Moko theme now available |
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| 12:18.22 | rtm | Where are the Moko theme instructions? |
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| 12:22.38 | CM | cheated past pth |
| 12:22.43 | CM | ~blame arm |
| 12:22.44 | apt | ACTION blames arm (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 12:23.44 | ScaredyCat | pfft - bandwidth |
| 12:26.47 | thos | rtm, planet openmoko? |
| 12:30.49 | cb22 | ~lart ScaredyCat's bandwidth |
| 12:30.49 | apt | squishes ScaredyCat's bandwidth like a bug |
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| 12:31.17 | ScaredyCat | seriosly, no chance... |
| 12:31.29 | cb22 | how much do you have? :) |
| 12:31.31 | ScaredyCat | that server is a mirror for osm data... |
| 12:31.43 | ScaredyCat | this isn't even going to be noticed |
| 12:31.55 | cb22 | aww :( |
| 12:32.03 | cb22 | i thought it was running on your dsl or sometrthing |
| 12:32.14 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 12:32.52 | ScaredyCat | ~fish cb22 |
| 12:32.53 | apt | ACTION slaps cb22 around with a large trout |
| 12:33.18 | CM | ScaredyCat: And if you need some backup bw, I have an account on acc that has some to spare.. |
| 12:33.34 | ScaredyCat | hugs CM |
| 12:33.37 | CM | (Hosts ftp.gnome.org, ubuntu mirror and so on.. |
| 12:33.39 | CM | ) |
| 12:34.17 | SpeedEvil | OSM data is scary |
| 12:34.57 | SpeedEvil | The uncompressed database is up to 90G now. |
| 12:35.34 | cb22 | ~O-o |
| 12:35.35 | apt | hmm... o-o is Christoph Lameter see also http://lameter.com |
| 12:35.43 | CM | Hehe |
| 12:35.45 | cb22 | thats like more bandwidth then the whole o fsouth africa |
| 12:38.08 | SpeedEvil | Of course it is XML. |
| 12:38.19 | SpeedEvil | So that's maybe 5 or 6 K of real data. |
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| 12:53.32 | zedstar | yeh keep XML out me pipes |
| 12:54.33 | thos | zedstar, how was the hackathon? |
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| 12:55.21 | zedstar | thos: hmmm was full of web widgets as per usual :) but i spent some time with the trolltech guys so that was interesting |
| 12:57.01 | thos | zedstar, what did they have to say? |
| 12:57.20 | thos | "all your base are belong to us"? |
| 12:57.33 | zedstar | thos ahahaha |
| 12:57.54 | SpeedEvil | Where are the screen-lockers? |
| 12:57.59 | SpeedEvil | I mean - what binary. |
| 12:58.07 | zedstar | thos i was trying to get info on the nokia acquisition.......my impression is qt coming to symbian sometime soon |
| 12:58.21 | zedstar | thos was hoping maybe gsm stack to maemo |
| 12:58.36 | thos | heh |
| 13:00.43 | zedstar | thos problem i find with these events in terms of development is lot of throw-away stuff nobody cares to work on some lower level infrastructure |
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| 13:00.58 | cb22 | << stupid |
| 13:01.03 | zedstar | thos cos they wanna win the competitions with something visible etc |
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| 13:11.08 | SpeedEvil | Yeah. |
| 13:11.20 | SpeedEvil | 'I made a really cool API' |
| 13:11.21 | SpeedEvil | 'but what does it do?' |
| 13:13.16 | Cap_J_L_Picard | SpeedEvil: Does it allow me to send random stuff to your brain? |
| 13:14.21 | SpeedEvil | No, that's some other channels I'm joined ot. |
| 13:15.10 | cb22 | say - will the *ahem* leaked *ahem* calypso docs allow me to rule the airways and make all phones within a 10 km radius explode? |
| 13:15.30 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 13:15.35 | SpeedEvil | Only 8. |
| 13:16.54 | nezza-_- | SpeedEvil: only 8? :( boring! |
| 13:17.08 | cb22 | yeah, i agree |
| 13:21.27 | cb22 | hmm, does anyone here know how to get mplayer to handle -ofps like ffmpeg's -r? in otherwords drop frames but keep sync? |
| 13:21.49 | SpeedEvil | framedrop |
| 13:21.53 | SpeedEvil | you press d |
| 13:22.06 | cb22 | s/mplayer/mencoder/ |
| 13:22.11 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 13:22.27 | SpeedEvil | what do you mean 'but keep sync'? |
| 13:22.42 | cb22 | well, if you use -ofps, it just changes the frame rate, no regard for audio |
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| 13:22.47 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 13:23.10 | SpeedEvil | you may want to read the manpage |
| 13:23.14 | SpeedEvil | search for decimate |
| 13:23.57 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: got it, thanks :) |
| 13:26.19 | SpeedEvil | also telecine |
| 13:27.22 | cb22 | bwahaha, my youtube encoded videos look better then the iphones ones |
| 13:27.35 | SpeedEvil | calls the apple-hit-squad. |
| 13:28.03 | SpeedEvil | watches them hold down cb22, and pour cider down him. |
| 13:28.10 | CM | hehe |
| 13:28.38 | cb22 | hehe |
| 13:28.42 | SpeedEvil | I was surprised at the quality last time I looked. |
| 13:28.57 | cb22 | seriously, i have an iphone, and right next to it i have my video playing |
| 13:29.17 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: h264 rocks :) |
| 13:29.17 | SpeedEvil | what codec do they use? |
| 13:29.31 | cb22 | i'm not too sure, probably mpeg4 + aac |
| 13:29.42 | SpeedEvil | Gotta use AAC. |
| 13:29.50 | cb22 | and they have 200kb/s bandwidth to play around with too |
| 13:29.58 | SpeedEvil | It's the best codec. |
| 13:30.50 | abraxa_ | cb22: What about -framedrop? Not dropping enough? |
| 13:30.59 | cb22 | abraxa_: see correction :) |
| 13:31.01 | SpeedEvil | no - that's CPU usage based |
| 13:31.20 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if mencoder supports framestep |
| 13:31.22 | abraxa_ | oh, lol. |
| 13:32.40 | cb22 | sees what can be done with 60kb/s |
| 13:32.53 | SpeedEvil | Maybe an idea to turn on blackframe detection too |
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| 13:40.39 | cb22 | 1h20m till eee pc :D |
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| 13:41.08 | cb22 | ups the audio quality |
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| 13:42.07 | ScaredyCat | 194 votes |
| 13:42.25 | cb22 | now we just need to get it on digg, slashdot and reddit |
| 13:42.27 | cb22 | at th esame time |
| 13:42.31 | cb22 | the same |
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| 13:45.48 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 13:46.03 | ScaredyCat | right, where's the twitter client! |
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| 13:46.40 | cb22 | hmm, ahven isn't here :) anyone around with a neo, mplayer and a decent data plan? |
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| 13:47.39 | ScaredyCat | has a neo, mplayer and a usb network connection :) |
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| 13:48.35 | cb22 | ScaredyCat: why not :) mplayer -sws 0 -vf scale=320:240 -framedrop http://cb22.za.net/videos/crank.mkv please :) |
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| 13:50.14 | summatusmentis | we don't know anything else about GSoC student getting a neo(beyond the mailing list entry) do we? |
| 13:50.34 | summatusmentis | s/student/students/ |
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| 13:52.23 | ScaredyCat | a bit jiggery cb22, but it works |
| 13:52.50 | cb22 | jiggery? |
| 13:53.06 | ScaredyCat | stutters - framedropping possibly |
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| 13:53.50 | cb22 | hmm, can you try playback http://cb22.za.net/videos/nocabac.mkv with the same options and see if it gives the same effect? |
| 13:55.14 | ScaredyCat | no stuttering, but looks crappy |
| 13:55.28 | ScaredyCat | very very blocky |
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| 13:56.19 | abraxa_ | cb22: What's the clip's resolution? |
| 13:56.26 | cb22 | 160x128 |
| 13:56.32 | abraxa_ | Oh ok. |
| 13:56.41 | abraxa_ | Hence the GPRS, I may assume |
| 13:56.46 | cb22 | yep |
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| 13:57.07 | cb22 | ScaredyCat: try bump up -sws and see what happens |
| 13:57.07 | abraxa_ | summatusmentis: Nope, only the post on the ML |
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| 13:59.36 | saurabh1403 | hello everyone |
| 14:00.37 | summatusmentis | abraxa_: oh ok, thanks |
| 14:02.01 | no_mind | hello saurabh1403 |
| 14:02.24 | cb22 | ScaredyCat: i assume that the neo's mplayer does use tremor? |
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| 14:09.02 | saurabh1403 | hello |
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| 14:13.15 | summatusmentis | do we have any more status on the 850Mhz Neo FreeRunner? |
| 14:13.45 | pyknite | hi there... I've read the last community update, but someone know in how many, approximatly, we will be able to buy this mervealous phone?? |
| 14:14.07 | summatusmentis | we don't really know |
| 14:14.20 | summatusmentis | we're hoping soon, but we don't have anything solid |
| 14:14.25 | pyknite | oki |
| 14:14.51 | pyknite | but it's more probable in 1-2 month or in 6month? |
| 14:14.52 | summatusmentis | check out the community mailing list, there was an update on there |
| 14:15.07 | summatusmentis | I would say way sooner than 6 months, but that's purely a guess |
| 14:15.09 | mjr | should be in pre-mass-manufacturing hopefully final testing now |
| 14:15.54 | summatusmentis | there are supposed to be 3 PVT builds(testing builds) done before mass manufacture |
| 14:16.00 | summatusmentis | they've done at least one of those 3 |
| 14:16.09 | cb22 | omgponies :) |
| 14:16.47 | summatusmentis | I don't know how long each one of those takes, nor do I know how long it takes to ramp up mass manufacture after the PVT builds |
| 14:16.56 | summatusmentis | but hopefully very soon |
| 14:17.32 | pyknite | ok thx for answers... i hope it will be possible to get one soon ;) |
| 14:18.01 | pyknite | even a dev release |
| 14:18.31 | summatusmentis | pyknite: yeah, when freerunner comes out, the software will still be beta |
| 14:19.16 | pyknite | no problem for me.. it's for developping |
| 14:19.43 | mjr | 's ass guesses "next month", but it's done that before |
| 14:19.46 | pyknite | and increase my level in embedded software |
| 14:19.51 | mjr | o |
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| 14:20.31 | tc | Internally do Openmoko have target dates? We never seem to hear anything.. |
| 14:20.52 | cb22 | tc: could be worse. think duke nukem forever |
| 14:21.20 | tc | cb22: That's what I'm worried about! ;) |
| 14:21.36 | summatusmentis | tc: I'm sure they do have target dates, I just don't know that they want to tell the community, because then it's a 'contract signed in blood', and things are up in the air |
| 14:22.00 | summatusmentis | "There are three PVT builds scheduled |
| 14:22.00 | summatusmentis | And the first has been completed. The completed handsets will be tested and |
| 14:22.00 | summatusmentis | then we will tweak the process and build two more PVT batches." |
| 14:22.16 | summatusmentis | so there are target dates set, and one has been met |
| 14:22.41 | pyknite | PVT is some like a pre-release? |
| 14:22.47 | tc | They sound like milestones rather than dates to me |
| 14:23.39 | summatusmentis | PVT is the pre-mass market builds |
| 14:23.44 | pyknite | ok thx |
| 14:23.56 | tc | Production Verification Tests - testing the production line and it's output I understand |
| 14:23.58 | wurp2|gone | I'm more concerned about them not making a clear announcement when they decided to go with Illume instead of GTK |
| 14:24.22 | summatusmentis | wurp2|gone: what do you mean? |
| 14:24.28 | wurp2|gone | I mean, as a community we're out here building apps based on the latest confirmed framework info. Major changes like that should have major announcements |
| 14:24.41 | summatusmentis | wurp2: yes, I agree whole-heartedly |
| 14:24.47 | summatusmentis | would they do that? |
| 14:24.55 | summatusmentis | presumably someone would have told us |
| 14:25.06 | tc | I understand why they really do not want to mention any dates, but we don't know if PVT is going to last 4 weeks or a year |
| 14:25.30 | summatusmentis | tc: that is probably correct |
| 14:25.30 | wurp2 | I am pretty sure that the GUI platform going forward is Illume + something else I don't remember the acronym of :-) |
| 14:25.33 | wurp2 | EL something |
| 14:25.36 | summatusmentis | EFL |
| 14:25.40 | wurp2 | thx |
| 14:25.44 | summatusmentis | Enlightenment Foundation Libraries |
| 14:25.45 | summatusmentis | iirc |
| 14:25.47 | wurp2 | O |
| 14:25.52 | wurp2 | That should have been easy to remember |
| 14:25.54 | wurp2 | for me |
| 14:26.00 | summatusmentis | :) |
| 14:26.04 | fredthecat | Was there an (unclear) announcement that it's going to be Illume rather than GTK? |
| 14:26.12 | wurp2 | not really |
| 14:26.23 | summatusmentis | raster has been working w/ Illume |
| 14:26.28 | summatusmentis | but I don't know if that means anything |
| 14:26.32 | wurp2 | but raster is working on it, and afaik all of the work on FR is using it |
| 14:26.43 | wurp2 | all of the new work |
| 14:27.03 | summatusmentis | it also looked like a lot of the SoC projects entailed tying things into EFL |
| 14:27.03 | wurp2 | And there is a major initiative to get Qtopia working under X |
| 14:27.12 | wurp2 | But I have no idea what that means in the bigger picture |
| 14:27.32 | fredthecat | Anyone going to the London http://www.ukuug.org/events/openmoko/ event this Wednesday? |
| 14:27.40 | summatusmentis | also, how much of it is OpenMoko recognized? |
| 14:27.50 | summatusmentis | like, is the Qtopia stuff sanctioned by OM? |
| 14:28.09 | summatusmentis | fredthecat: if I lived in London, I would be :) |
| 14:29.11 | mjr | guestimates the qtopia thing to be mostly about leveraging existing qtopia stuff |
| 14:29.22 | mjr | "look, we have lots of apps already" |
| 14:29.27 | wurp2 | Sure |
| 14:29.34 | wurp2 | And that seems like it could be a great idea |
| 14:29.46 | summatusmentis | ok, that makes sense to me |
| 14:29.50 | wurp2 | But is that meant to be a long term thing, or is it a crutch? |
| 14:29.55 | abraxa_ | fredthecat: No, no announcement but if you look at the OM-sponsored projects (illume, enlazar, diversity) it's not hard to tell |
| 14:30.04 | summatusmentis | needs to figure out how to get qemu working |
| 14:30.07 | wurp2 | gtg, meeting |
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| 14:32.45 | cb22 | hah, i think i've managed to get everything to mencoder, instead of ffmpeg + oggenc + mencoder + mkvmerge! |
| 14:32.55 | SpeedEvil | yay! |
| 14:33.20 | summatusmentis | do any of you use qemu for OM? |
| 14:33.28 | SpeedEvil | Now tie it into a proxying service for youtube, and profit! |
| 14:33.30 | summatusmentis | I can't get it to work, seemingly |
| 14:33.33 | cb22 | and single pass looks decent too :D |
| 14:33.42 | cb22 | heck, this might even be possible realtime now |
| 14:36.14 | wurp2 | summatusmentis: nope :-( |
| 14:36.29 | summatusmentis | wurp2: ok, thanks |
| 14:36.38 | zedstar | fredthecat im gonna go |
| 14:37.04 | wurp2 | qemu worked (although it was unusably slow) when I tried it before I got my device |
| 14:37.16 | wurp2 | But once I got the device, I quit using qemu altogether |
| 14:37.24 | summatusmentis | I had it working once, but I can't get it to re-work |
| 14:37.24 | zedstar | fredthecat and thos said he was |
| 14:37.30 | summatusmentis | it built fine, but it won't run |
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| 14:41.23 | fredthecat | zedstar: that's three of us then anywau |
| 14:42.23 | summatusmentis | http://pastebin.ca/975368 <- that the error I'm getting when I'm trying to run qemu |
| 14:43.52 | zedstar | fredthecat ok cool im up for beer/food/chat whatever after as well |
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| 14:46.17 | summatusmentis | hi mickeyl |
| 14:49.20 | morricone | has anyone tried runnuning powertop on the neo? |
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| 14:49.44 | SpeedEvil | In many ways it's not really relevant yet |
| 14:49.53 | SpeedEvil | as the idle mode sucks lots of power |
| 14:50.43 | morricone | can this be tuned, or is this a problem of the SoC? |
| 14:51.08 | SpeedEvil | pokes cesarb. |
| 14:51.12 | SpeedEvil | It's being worked on. |
| 14:51.15 | SpeedEvil | Maybe. |
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| 14:52.02 | tc | Does anyone know if you can use the Neo to give a laptop internet access via the phone connection, via usb or with wifi? |
| 14:52.37 | mwester | The problem, as I understand it, is not so much the SoC, but the peripherals which require certain clock speeds and thus prevent the SoC from going as slowly as one would like to save power. |
| 14:52.51 | mwester | tc: yes. |
| 14:53.30 | tc | mwester: thanks :) I thought it must do but I couldn't seem to find any info on the web |
| 14:53.38 | SpeedEvil | mwester: much of that work has been done by cesarb. |
| 14:53.42 | SpeedEvil | <Much remains though. |
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| 15:07.26 | abraxa_ | thomasg_: Sitzstreik... lol |
| 15:07.35 | summatusmentis | ScaredyCat: people are reporting that the "3g is essential" option on the poll won't let them register it |
| 15:07.44 | summatusmentis | saying "please select a valid option" |
| 15:07.55 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 15:08.06 | ScaredyCat | I'm seeing votes... |
| 15:08.17 | summatusmentis | right, someone on the mailing list is saying they can't select that option |
| 15:08.19 | ScaredyCat | javascript on? |
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| 15:08.32 | summatusmentis | I don't know, it's not me specifically |
| 15:08.57 | ScaredyCat | mmm .. I haven't got that message yet |
| 15:09.19 | thomasg_ | checked it out works for me |
| 15:09.32 | thomasg_ | even if it normally wouldn't be my choise |
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| 15:10.02 | summatusmentis | ScaredyCat: I don't know, just reporting what I'm seeing on the community mailing list |
| 15:14.01 | ScaredyCat | k, replied |
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| 15:18.11 | ScaredyCat | ~lart thomasg_ |
| 15:18.11 | apt | turns thomasg_ into a lifesized tux doll |
| 15:18.21 | ScaredyCat | :o |
| 15:18.24 | ScaredyCat | schweet |
| 15:19.19 | thomasg_ | :) |
| 15:19.36 | thomasg_ | well, I can live with this decision, too - I just don't like the word "essential" |
| 15:19.55 | ScaredyCat | changes it to 'cheese' |
| 15:20.15 | Basheri_ | but it is essentiaö |
| 15:20.22 | Basheri_ | *l |
| 15:20.40 | summatusmentis | well, I guess I was missing zlib.h |
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| 15:25.21 | thomasg_ | ScaredyCat, still see no cheese :( |
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| 15:26.25 | ScaredyCat | that'll be the cache... it expires in 2020 |
| 15:26.27 | ScaredyCat | :P |
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| 15:27.30 | cb22 | ScaredyCat: it's because... |
| 15:27.33 | cb22 | if you are on the poll page |
| 15:27.38 | thomasg_ | well, I guess the chesse will be ripe then |
| 15:27.51 | cb22 | and you select an option on the poll on the right hand column |
| 15:27.55 | cb22 | it wont work |
| 15:28.05 | ScaredyCat | ahhh yes... |
| 15:28.09 | ScaredyCat | slaps people |
| 15:29.21 | thomasg_ | stop slapping, give them cheese. |
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| 15:32.18 | ScaredyCat | fixed that then cdbot2 |
| 15:32.25 | ScaredyCat | erm cb22 |
| 15:32.48 | mickeyl | hi suma |
| 15:32.51 | summatusmentis | hi mickeyl |
| 15:32.55 | mickeyl | thomasg_: can you make a video w/ links -g? |
| 15:33.07 | josch | thomasg_, kannst wiederkommen - der flowerbot ist übern jordan... |
| 15:33.11 | thomasg_ | :) |
| 15:33.18 | fgau | lol |
| 15:33.45 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: may I pm you? |
| 15:34.00 | mickeyl | only if it's something private, please. otherwise, i prefer public comm. |
| 15:34.37 | summatusmentis | well, I was wondering if you could comment on which types of applications OM was more likely to accept |
| 15:34.42 | mickeyl | ah |
| 15:34.45 | summatusmentis | I know it's a long shot, but I thought I'd ask |
| 15:34.55 | mickeyl | well, i guess the main thing for this year is middleware |
| 15:35.01 | mickeyl | which means - libraries and services |
| 15:35.33 | summatusmentis | ok. Is there a way for annoying students like myself to gauge where our applications would be ranked? |
| 15:36.10 | mickeyl | i never seen the student interface |
| 15:36.16 | SpeedEvil | passes summatusmentis a magic-8-ball. |
| 15:36.20 | mickeyl | i was supposing it would be public |
| 15:36.28 | mickeyl | e.g. you would see the points |
| 15:36.46 | mickeyl | but i don't know -- i only seen the mentor interface |
| 15:36.51 | summatusmentis | I don't believe that's how it works, but this is my first year, could be mistaken |
| 15:37.30 | mickeyl | falls in love with cython |
| 15:37.36 | mickeyl | this _is_ cool |
| 15:37.53 | ScaredyCat | "I have given up on trying to get people to file bugs at the right bugtracker and have adopted the rather cynical filosophy of "If you don't care enough to file a bug, I don't care enough to look into your supposed problem"." |
| 15:38.09 | abraxa_ | mickeyl: We only see our own submitted apps along with the notice "available for review" - the point distribution is private |
| 15:38.16 | ScaredyCat | well, actually, we stop filing bugs because they just sit there and don;t get fixed |
| 15:38.22 | mickeyl | abraxa_: ah, thanks for clarifying |
| 15:39.01 | mickeyl | ScaredyCat: heh, where's that from? |
| 15:39.14 | ScaredyCat | planet |
| 15:39.16 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: I understand if OM doesn't want to comment on where people are ranked before the proposals get chosen, I just thought I'd ask |
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| 15:39.48 | mxpxpod | thos: nice work on the moko theme |
| 15:40.03 | thos | hey mxpxpod |
| 15:40.04 | thos | thanks |
| 15:40.14 | mickeyl | summatusmentis: i'm actually a bit surprised the ranking process is not public... probably because they don't want a flood of discussion to arise |
| 15:40.34 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: also presumably so there are no hard feelings, etc. |
| 15:40.44 | summatusmentis | I can see why it would be that way |
| 15:40.56 | mickeyl | yeah |
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| 16:00.55 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4319 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (ChangeLog src/test-notes.c): |
| 16:00.55 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 2008-04-07 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com> |
| 16:00.55 | CIA-41 | openmoko: * src/test-notes.c: (main): Add support for recipient and "Sent" flag |
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| 16:02.04 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4320 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (ChangeLog src/moko-save-number.c src/sms-notes.c): |
| 16:02.04 | CIA-41 | openmoko: 2008-04-07 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com> |
| 16:02.04 | CIA-41 | openmoko: * src/moko-save-number.c: (moko_save_number): Check number is not blank, |
| 16:02.04 | CIA-41 | openmoko: and warn user if it is. |
| 16:02.05 | CIA-41 | openmoko: * src/sms-notes.c: (save_contact_clicked_cb): Add recipient number if |
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| 16:02.07 | CIA-41 | openmoko: SMS was "Sent". |
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| 16:08.16 | summatusmentis | hi Sup3rkiddo |
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| 16:08.46 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, y0 |
| 16:08.58 | summatusmentis | how goes it? |
| 16:09.23 | cb22 | looks like 141 people need 3g so far :) |
| 16:09.34 | Qwell | 142 |
| 16:09.59 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, it goes well :P |
| 16:10.06 | summatusmentis | Sup3rkiddo: that's good :) |
| 16:10.06 | Sup3rkiddo | 144 |
| 16:10.26 | Sup3rkiddo | Sup3rkiddo == double in size |
| 16:10.34 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, got any comments on the app? |
| 16:10.45 | summatusmentis | Sup3rkiddo: none beyond the one I got originally |
| 16:10.59 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, me too |
| 16:11.34 | summatusmentis | mickeyl said we shouldn't really expect anything until after ranking starts |
| 16:11.53 | spydon | Where can you sign that you want 3g? :P |
| 16:12.00 | summatusmentis | check out the topic |
| 16:12.14 | spydon | Niiice |
| 16:13.09 | cb22 | someone submit it to slashdot digg and reddit please, i wanna see ScaredyCat's server BURN :p |
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| 16:14.46 | summatusmentis | cb22: that may be worth doing, considering I'm sure a ton of that crowd will be buying when the device is available |
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| 16:15.17 | spydon | "New version is the FreeRunner (with WiFi)" - Have they started taking orders? |
| 16:16.35 | Qwell | what happened to the "Maybe April"? |
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| 16:17.06 | cb22 | its still apris isnt it? |
| 16:17.37 | abraxa_ | I'd like to ask you to *not* publish the URL on said sites. |
| 16:17.38 | cb22 | s/ris/ril/ |
| 16:17.58 | ScaredyCat | cb22: the buttons at the bottom of the post... |
| 16:17.58 | abraxa_ | It would generate publicity that Openmoko can *not* deal with in an appropriate manner right now. |
| 16:18.02 | cb22 | abraxa_: dont you want the hordes of mindless apple fanboys voting? |
| 16:18.08 | ScaredyCat | click those if you want it submitted |
| 16:18.13 | cb22 | (at least on digg) |
| 16:18.45 | abraxa_ | cb22: I want GTA02 to be a success. Not have tons of people find out about Openmoko through the poll, just to realize that Openmoko sucks right now. |
| 16:18.54 | ScaredyCat | aye |
| 16:19.03 | ScaredyCat | pokymoko |
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| 16:22.36 | unknown_lamer | abraxa_: I fail to see how no 3G = suck |
| 16:22.42 | unknown_lamer | I can't even get 3G! |
| 16:22.58 | abraxa_ | unknown_lamer: Don't twist my words, please |
| 16:23.01 | unknown_lamer | the lack of edge is mildly annoying, but otherwise the gta02 looks like a damn nice phone |
| 16:23.06 | ScaredyCat | unknown_lamer: you suck |
| 16:23.08 | ScaredyCat | ;) |
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| 16:23.24 | abraxa_ | I'm talking about Openmoko, aka the software stack. Not the phone hardware. |
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| 16:23.34 | unknown_lamer | qtopia works fairly well? |
| 16:23.59 | abraxa_ | Qtopia is not Openmoko ;) |
| 16:24.16 | unknown_lamer | It runs on the hardware and if someone wants a working phone they have a working software stack |
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| 16:32.40 | zedstar_ | http://www.opencellid.org/users/staticShow/api |
| 16:32.57 | zedstar_ | get mapping ! |
| 16:34.24 | bmidgley | zedstar_ they need a ton of measurements to find out approximately where towers are, eh? |
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| 16:35.10 | bmidgley | zedstar_ I'm pretty sure the planet has more than 11 cell towers |
| 16:35.38 | bmidgley | oh, 200 when you zoom in |
| 16:35.51 | zedstar_ | bmidgley well it gonna take some effort |
| 16:36.15 | bmidgley | zedstar_ why not submit signal strength too |
| 16:36.22 | bmidgley | it would be rough but better than no info |
| 16:36.24 | zedstar_ | but at we need to do it to stop those companies charging us for this stuff |
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| 16:36.33 | wurp2 | A little program that logs cell strengths along with gps positions in the background on the neo should be enough to map all of the cell towers near the places you go, I'd think |
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| 16:36.54 | bmidgley | wurp2 yeah, I want something like that for wifi |
| 16:37.00 | zedstar_ | some guy on the discussion list claims he did all of amsterdam pretty quckly with 5 phones on his bike |
| 16:37.03 | wurp2 | I've been gathering the info I'd need to do that lately |
| 16:37.35 | wurp2 | (very slowly gathering said info; I don't have much time to do side projects lately) |
| 16:37.44 | zedstar_ | he did different operators simultaneously |
| 16:38.04 | wurp2 | great idea if you want to go on trips explicitly to buidl cell maps |
| 16:38.13 | zedstar_ | apple has invested in Skyhook which do something similar but with wifi |
| 16:38.20 | wurp2 | I want to build something that will just gather info while I do my normal daily travel |
| 16:38.26 | zedstar_ | their SDK is not open source tho |
| 16:38.33 | wurp2 | bastards |
| 16:38.36 | zedstar_ | yeh |
| 16:38.52 | ScaredyCat | zedstar_ : all sources are avaiable, what about the db ? |
| 16:38.59 | zedstar_ | people are hoarding the info for profit so needs some community effort |
| 16:39.17 | zedstar_ | scaredycat they guys says it will be available for download |
| 16:39.37 | zedstar_ | he has pubically stated a lot on an industry list |
| 16:39.42 | zedstar_ | so gonna be hard to back down |
| 16:39.50 | ScaredyCat | well, he needs to do it now then... |
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| 16:39.54 | zedstar_ | yeh |
| 16:39.58 | ScaredyCat | nightly dumps or something |
| 16:40.02 | zedstar_ | yep |
| 16:40.15 | ScaredyCat | then he'll get more support... |
| 16:40.17 | zedstar_ | so one agreed already to submit 10,000 cells from barcelona |
| 16:40.25 | zedstar_ | so people seem to be keen |
| 16:41.59 | ScaredyCat | I'd be very keen, if I knew they weren't going to just run off wiht the db |
| 16:42.26 | zedstar_ | yeh that is the worry but if their are nightly downloads etc then shud be fine |
| 16:42.44 | zedstar_ | skyhook employ drivers to drive past your house! |
| 16:42.52 | zedstar_ | and log the wifi coords |
| 16:43.02 | zedstar_ | or so they claim! |
| 16:43.12 | zedstar_ | i think they stole a lot from wigle |
| 16:43.17 | ScaredyCat | so just change the mac address all the time :) |
| 16:43.21 | zedstar_ | lol |
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| 16:45.09 | zedstar_ | i will post a response saying we are interested too just to keep the pressure on :) |
| 16:45.16 | thomasg_ | in what package is gsmd? |
| 16:45.45 | zedstar_ | we have got the right hardware at least to contribute |
| 16:46.08 | pH5 | thomasg_: "libgsmd" |
| 16:46.22 | thomasg_ | pH5, thanks |
| 16:46.59 | pH5 | ouf, /me reduces the speaker volume a bit |
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| 16:48.40 | zedstar_ | uk has 2785 cells logged |
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| 16:54.12 | DPThought | my snapshot image is some weeks old. But opkg upgrade says 'nothing to be done' How come? |
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| 16:56.57 | DPThought | ooops, be dns seems to be broken. Have not seen the errors. |
| 16:56.58 | wurp2 | DPThought: Did you 'opkg update" first? |
| 16:57.09 | wurp2 | That will cause a problem too ;-) |
| 16:59.50 | DPThought | Great. opkg update segfaults. ipkg update works. |
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| 17:00.49 | wurp2 | opkg has been going through a lot of changes lately |
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| 17:01.13 | wurp2 | You may have to ipkg install opkg before you can opkgs update :-) |
| 17:01.27 | wurp2 | s/opkgs/opkg/ |
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| 17:02.33 | DPThought | sure :) I already used opkg some times. I assume they work good together. |
| 17:02.43 | wurp2 | Mostly |
| 17:02.49 | zedstar__ | anyone who lives in Seattle, WA area here ares ome wifi coords http://www.placelab.org/database/testdb.txt |
| 17:04.03 | DPThought | i had to put a # before the /etc/ipkg/snapshot-neo1973-feed.conf line because it caused 404. Maybe that is the reason why no packags are to be upgraded |
| 17:04.28 | DPThought | the only package upgraded right now was navit, and this is from a different repository |
| 17:04.43 | zedstar__ | be cool if we could setup a wifi coords mapping db if we had a trusted place to run it |
| 17:04.59 | DPThought | Or are the package repos not re built as often as snapsht images? |
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| 17:07.32 | wurp2 | I have no idea, sorry |
| 17:08.12 | DPThought | zedstar__: many wlan scanners can do that. So there must be some db's somewhere allready. Kismet for example |
| 17:08.19 | zedstar__ | be actually easy to build a logger using skyhooks DB...even if they dont give us direct accesss.....just log the position whenever skyhook gives u one |
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| 17:09.20 | zedstar__ | dpthought yeh wigle seems about the most comphrensive....ive uploaded to their from kismet logs |
| 17:10.53 | DPThought | they all don't log the position of the hotspot itself but only where it was measured. The same is true for that opencellid thing. But better than nothing. :) |
| 17:11.22 | zedstar__ | dpthought right.....u not gonna target misiles using it |
| 17:11.51 | DPThought | zedstar__: wlan seeking misiles... |
| 17:11.54 | zedstar__ | dpthought what skyhook do is provide a nice C api so u can build apps on it rather than tacky web interface |
| 17:12.27 | zedstar__ | an open C based API...something efficient |
| 17:12.30 | zedstar__ | be nice |
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| 17:13.18 | DPThought | sounds nice. |
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| 17:14.30 | zedstar__ | skyhook is used in the ipod touch to do location lookup |
| 17:14.33 | unknown_lamer | hooray I managed to free up enough diskspace to finally build a cross compiler toolchain |
| 17:14.44 | unknown_lamer | needs a pair of 500G drives grrr |
| 17:16.37 | abraxa_ | ScaredyCat: Do you think the expression "I bid you a nice day" sounds weird in a business mail? |
| 17:16.48 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 17:16.57 | ScaredyCat | but |
| 17:17.04 | ScaredyCat | it does depend who sent it |
| 17:17.09 | abraxa_ | I will be :) |
| 17:17.13 | abraxa_ | Hence my question |
| 17:17.19 | ScaredyCat | or who to... |
| 17:17.27 | abraxa_ | Some CEO |
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| 17:17.37 | ScaredyCat | is this a first contact? |
| 17:17.52 | ScaredyCat | are you using a name.../ |
| 17:17.54 | ScaredyCat | ie |
| 17:18.03 | ScaredyCat | dear Mr Jones |
| 17:18.07 | abraxa_ | I'm just wondering how I can express this in a sophisticated, yet respectful manner |
| 17:18.25 | abraxa_ | "Have a nice day" sounds too buddy-like :) |
| 17:18.33 | cb22 | has an EEE :D:D:D:D |
| 17:18.40 | abraxa_ | Congrats, cb22! |
| 17:18.55 | cb22 | now i need a freerunner, as its twin |
| 17:19.25 | ScaredyCat | Start with Dear <whatever>, end with Yours sincerely, |
| 17:19.39 | wurp2 | abraxa_: How about just "Regards,"? |
| 17:20.00 | zedstar__ | "Love," |
| 17:20.03 | abraxa_ | lol |
| 17:20.07 | ScaredyCat | hugs n kisses |
| 17:20.10 | zedstar__ | lol |
| 17:20.13 | abraxa_ | wurp2: Yeah, I guess I'll go for that |
| 17:20.15 | abraxa_ | Thanks |
| 17:20.16 | zedstar__ | TTFN, |
| 17:21.04 | zedstar__ | sign your name in blood he wont wanna mess with u |
| 17:21.37 | ScaredyCat | put tears in the envelope |
| 17:22.44 | abraxa_ | "What the f*** is that s***?! I'm not gonna hire such a freak!" |
| 17:22.45 | abraxa_ | ;) |
| 17:23.26 | abraxa_ | (quoting the CEO's train of thought, that is) |
| 17:24.01 | ScaredyCat | well, at least it wasn't too salty |
| 17:25.10 | zedstar__ | if u really wanna freak him include some clipping of your pubes |
| 17:25.19 | zedstar__ | right this is getting silly now |
| 17:25.21 | ScaredyCat | roflmao |
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| 17:35.20 | abraxa_ | lol zedstar__ |
| 17:35.31 | abraxa_ | I'm not gonna ask if you ever have, though that is tempting to do :) |
| 17:38.35 | ewon | quake 3 on the ipod touch, using openGL ES: http://hermitworks.blogspot.com/2008/04/quake-3-itouch.html |
| 17:40.59 | DPThough1 | ewon: wow. Thats porn |
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| 17:42.53 | ewon | DPThough1: openGL ES is pretty sweet |
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| 17:48.02 | Ghiottone | hi all |
| 17:48.07 | abraxa_ | Is that 320x240, ewon? |
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| 17:50.46 | Ghiottone | I have been working on a new homepage for the google custom search engine for openmoko |
| 17:51.02 | Ghiottone | it includes rss feeds from planet and wiki recent changes. |
| 17:51.15 | Ghiottone | it is at http://aiurlano.netsons.org/OpenMoko/index-rss.html |
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| 17:51.38 | Ghiottone | feedback of any kind is appreciated :) |
| 17:52.05 | zedstar__ | nice ghiottone.....how do u configure it to restrict where it searches? |
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| 17:52.57 | Ghiottone | zedstar__, it is a google feature named coop. I can add or exclude sites from a google interface |
| 17:54.03 | Ghiottone | zedstar__, google then provides you with the code to call their service from your pages |
| 17:54.04 | thomasg_ | abraxa_, don't think so - ipod touch can't do 320x240 w/o software scaling - should be 480x320 or 240x160 |
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| 17:54.20 | zedstar__ | ghiottone ah interesting.....on some project im on we were looking at custom kind of search engine on the device...eg web server plus some search engine code to do offline reading......something this handy |
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| 17:54.45 | abraxa_ | thomasg_: Hmm, interesting. Means we could do something like that on the Neo, even less fancy |
| 17:55.18 | zedstar__ | something like this is handy i mean |
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| 17:55.37 | Ghiottone | zedstar__, with this google coop thing, you can search only on sites that google already indexes, unfortunately |
| 17:56.03 | Ghiottone | zedstar__, I don't think there is a way to add offline data |
| 17:56.03 | ewon | the iphone-alikes on dealextreme amuse me |
| 17:57.43 | Ghiottone | zedstar__, the homepage from google is http://www.google.com/coop/ if you want to start experimenting |
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| 17:57.48 | zedstar__ | giottone what u have done is handy though for domain specific stuff |
| 17:58.13 | zedstar__ | ghiottone thanks will take a look |
| 17:58.33 | Ghiottone | zedstar__, yep. I have added all openmoko sites and special pages like wiki index or links to technical documents |
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| 17:59.12 | Ghiottone | zedstar__, so that results could include pdf documents too. |
| 17:59.18 | zedstar__ | ghiottone basically this was a requirment on a project im on they wanna research a specific specialised area and are not finding google so handy |
| 18:00.40 | Ghiottone | zedstar__, then coop is a good idea, I think. I have created another custom search engine about operating systems development as I have done one in the past and I find it really good |
| 18:01.31 | zedstar__ | ghiottone yeh.....i will have to experiement.....what i have done is got web server running on device and some open source search engine called estraier so they can search docs offline and view |
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| 18:02.24 | Ghiottone | zedstar__, estraier? never heard about it... |
| 18:03.12 | zedstar__ | ghiottone u can basically have search engine running...it indexes various files like txt, pdf etc |
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| 18:04.52 | Ghiottone | zedstar__, I thought I heard lucene was a good open source search engine. isn't it good for you? |
| 18:05.07 | Ghiottone | zedstar__, do you have a link for estratier? I'd like to know more |
| 18:05.36 | wurp2 | Your newsletter intrigues me... |
| 18:05.50 | zedstar__ | ghiottone there is http://estraier.sourceforge.net/ and http://hyperestraier.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:05.58 | zedstar__ | the later has web crawler etc |
| 18:06.16 | zedstar__ | ghiottone will look at lucene |
| 18:07.58 | zedstar__ | ghiottone one idea was to have this kind of software runninng on device and to sync a repository of docs with your different devices |
| 18:08.23 | zedstar__ | ghiottone the users would then use search engine to find stuff on their device instead of some native finder tool etc |
| 18:11.32 | zedstar__ | ghiottone the good thing about estraier is it is C based and compiled fined on ARM |
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| 18:34.20 | quicksand | josch: ping |
| 18:39.04 | Ghiottone | back |
| 18:39.12 | Ghiottone | zedstar__, thanks I'll have a look |
| 18:39.44 | Ghiottone | zedstar__, I'm now wondering: is your purpose to look up documents on every device you own? |
| 18:40.03 | Ghiottone | zedstar__, something like a distributed google desktop? |
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| 18:49.00 | zedstar__ | ghiottone actually it was say u had a desktop and device and wanted sync of docs and able to search in same way on them |
| 18:49.41 | zedstar__ | ghiottone the idea was to load the repository somehow with domain specific docs |
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| 18:55.13 | ewon | an office mate just showed me the GLUT teapot running on his ipod touch, with the camera controlled by the accelerometers |
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| 18:59.44 | Ghiottone | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:01.22 | zedstar__ | ghiottone well the docs and info is specific to an industry not general |
| 19:01.54 | Ghiottone | mmmm |
| 19:02.52 | zedstar__ | ghiottone kind of like the online thing with coop anyway but offline capabilities |
| 19:03.07 | Ghiottone | zedstar__, I'd say that rsyncing the docs from the device to the desktop everytime they are connected or once in a while and then search the desktop with a google desktop like application would do the trick. Or do I miss the point? |
| 19:03.25 | zedstar__ | ghiottone yeh that is basically it :) |
| 19:03.54 | zedstar__ | ghiottone but running on the mobile also....no google search engine for that |
| 19:07.25 | Ghiottone | zedstar__, aha I see. on the mobile it would only make sense searching docs on the mobile itself. Or do you need also to know of a docs that is on the desktop? |
| 19:07.41 | Ghiottone | zedstar__, beagle is a os google dekstop like app |
| 19:07.52 | Ghiottone | zedstar__, maybe it could be easy to port it to mobile |
| 19:08.15 | zedstar__ | ghiottone yeh acytually beagle would be great....but has to work on win mobile as well so something portable |
| 19:09.53 | Ghiottone | zedstar__, argh. win mobile is even worst that win dsktp! |
| 19:10.41 | cb22 | josch: congrats :) |
| 19:10.48 | zedstar__ | ghiottone tell me about it!... the idea of web server + search engine locally came about to avoid interface code and have it running on different platforms..luckily im not doing win mobile i hope |
| 19:11.31 | Ghiottone | zedstar__, mmm yeah I see. Good workaround |
| 19:11.46 | Ghiottone | apache should work there |
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| 19:12.08 | zedstar__ | ghiottone of course is nice and easy for linux.....yeh i have lighttpd running on my nokia tablet |
| 19:12.16 | zedstar__ | ghiottone and runs on openmoko |
| 19:12.29 | zedstar__ | ghiottone not so easy for win mobile i would bet |
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| 19:13.22 | Ghiottone | mmmm |
| 19:13.31 | Ghiottone | I think apache is running fine on windows |
| 19:13.55 | Ghiottone | that's why I though bout it for the mobile platform |
| 19:14.39 | zedstar__ | ghiottone not looked to see if it has been ported but be cool if does |
| 19:15.02 | josch | cb22, ??? |
| 19:15.07 | josch | did i miss anything??? |
| 19:15.19 | josch | quicksand, pong! :-D |
| 19:15.23 | josch | quicksand, finally you are there |
| 19:15.26 | cb22 | yeah, see mailing list |
| 19:15.53 | quicksand | josch: yeah, had family visiting from out-of-town this weekend, so computer time would have been rude. :-) |
| 19:16.04 | josch | *reading past mails...* |
| 19:16.13 | quicksand | josch: new (Friday) Debian tarball works great |
| 19:16.20 | josch | quicksand, now you can be sure everything is right with the tar |
| 19:16.23 | josch | yepp |
| 19:16.31 | josch | great it works! |
| 19:16.38 | quicksand | It's well over twice the size of the previous one, so that suggested something was wrong before |
| 19:16.58 | Ghiottone | josch, grats from me too :) |
| 19:17.05 | josch | lol wait guys!! |
| 19:17.13 | josch | i havent even read the email yet!! |
| 19:17.21 | quicksand | I haven't had a chance to do much with it yet (e.g., install apps) but I appreciate the effort you put into it. Thanks! |
| 19:17.47 | josch | quicksand, you will see it working as a usual debian install - have fun! |
| 19:21.28 | josch | oh nice!! |
| 19:21.42 | josch | thanks mickael! |
| 19:21.48 | josch | michael even ^^ |
| 19:22.12 | Ghiottone | got to go now. bye all! |
| 19:23.59 | quicksand | josch: congrats -- you earned it |
| 19:24.18 | josch | quicksand, thanks! |
| 19:24.24 | josch | thank you all guys! :-D |
| 19:25.45 | josch | i will post pixx of the tshirt as soon as i get it ^^ |
| 19:26.44 | quicksand | josch: does tslib or some other mechanism support right-clicking in the Debian setup? |
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| 19:27.21 | josch | quicksand, dont know how right clicking is accomplished on any touchscreen - i have no experience with them |
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| 19:29.37 | quicksand | josch: evtouch ( http://www.conan.de/touchscreen/evtouch.html ) allegedly supports it via touch-and-hold in one place, but I haven't gotten it to work on my Samsung Q1. |
| 19:29.59 | quicksand | Perhaps I'll mess around and see what works on the Neo. |
| 19:30.12 | josch | i tried evtouch on my neo but didnt get it working so far |
| 19:30.19 | josch | tslib was much easier |
| 19:30.29 | josch | may be because openmoko also uses tslib |
| 19:31.05 | quicksand | The Nokia tablets do it, I think, so I'll check into what they use when I have a chance. |
| 19:31.25 | quicksand | I think they use tslib plus something else to interpret the taps. |
| 19:31.31 | josch | rightclick would be uber |
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| 20:00.14 | unknown_lamer | oh my does qemu not run well over the network |
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| 20:01.40 | summatusmentis | unknown_lamer: it doesn't run well period I don't think |
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| 20:04.09 | unknown_lamer | summatusmentis: yeah but over the network it is saturating my 100mbit pipe (even with still images! I think it's just pushing an entire image of the screen over and over for no reason at all) |
| 20:04.38 | unknown_lamer | you'd think it would at least be smart enough to realize its fb never changed |
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| 20:05.10 | summatusmentis | unknown_lamer: holy cow... |
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| 20:06.51 | unknown_lamer | it doesn't usually take half an hour to boot I hope (2.13Ghz athlon) |
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| 20:07.29 | unknown_lamer | bah now I have to build qemu locally and hurt my poor ram starved laptop more |
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| 20:14.00 | summatusmentis | unknown_lamer: I'm building qemu on ubuntu under vmware on an OS X host |
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| 20:16.13 | unknown_lamer | ouch |
| 20:16.47 | summatusmentis | no kidding |
| 20:17.27 | unknown_lamer | I have a two machine setup ... all dev takes place on my (now headless) dual athlon workstation with my laptop being mostly a dumb X terminal running a few apps |
| 20:17.47 | unknown_lamer | but now I have to install qemu locally ... at least I can still run the dev toolchain on the better machine |
| 20:17.50 | summatusmentis | well, that's one way to do it |
| 20:18.24 | unknown_lamer | I also don't have enough free diskspace on the laptop to build the full toolchain :-X |
| 20:18.37 | unknown_lamer | plus 512M RAM + 5400RPM disk ... swapping is pain |
| 20:18.56 | unknown_lamer | or doing anything to the disk really |
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| 20:44.08 | josch | http://neo1973-germany.de/wiki/Tshirt <= now that i got the firt community member of the week i let the commuity decide which shirt i should take |
| 20:44.17 | josch | please leave your vote there! |
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| 20:48.10 | CoreDump | votes for "openmoko small t-shirt" |
| 20:48.45 | josch | CoreDump, the last column is for your vote ^^ |
| 20:49.27 | josch | maybe i should link to the community member of the week page - can somebody clean the openmoko wiki page with the first week up so the second week gets on the top? |
| 20:52.06 | josch | what about the idea to convert votes from the first week to the second? |
| 20:52.33 | josch | then we might finally get kdean06 as the next winner :-) |
| 20:53.11 | kdean06 | hides |
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| 21:00.34 | cb22 | josch: i vote the camisole :p |
| 21:01.05 | unknown_lamer | ah, qemu running locally actually works at a reasonable speed |
| 21:01.07 | wurp2 | why not? abraxa did |
| 21:01.57 | abraxa_ | Of course! Girlfriends like presents. |
| 21:02.03 | josch | lol |
| 21:02.07 | josch | i see it coming!! |
| 21:02.21 | josch | i will never see my shirt again ^^ |
| 21:02.26 | josch | my hard earned... |
| 21:02.29 | josch | *cough* |
| 21:02.51 | cb22 | josch: next project: gentoo on neo |
| 21:03.13 | cb22 | compile it on there too |
| 21:03.20 | summatusmentis | there's already a project for gentoo on zaurus, shouldn't be that hard :) |
| 21:03.30 | josch | cb22, ask the guys @ !eof they did it on the 24c3 with my neo ^^ |
| 21:03.39 | mwester | notes the amazing color display when attempting to resume from a suspend with the AUX button, and thinks that sometimes "broken" comes up with very creative results... |
| 21:03.52 | josch | as i heard from thomasg_ there is already gentoo for embedded |
| 21:04.06 | quicksand | I'm still waiting for XP to run on my Neo -- maybe in qemu. Who's up for that? |
| 21:04.11 | josch | compilation on the neo is crazy... |
| 21:04.20 | josch | i finally can compile stuff with debian but |
| 21:04.23 | josch | it takes AGES |
| 21:04.25 | summatusmentis | http://www.opensistemas.com/comunidad/gentoo_for_zaurus/ |
| 21:04.27 | unknown_lamer | I get to do Lisp compilation on the neo |
| 21:04.30 | josch | two days for eet lib only |
| 21:04.47 | unknown_lamer | as I am pretty sure that there is no clisp cross compiler support |
| 21:05.02 | unknown_lamer | oh wait I am fucktarded it has its own VM ... hopefully it is byte compatible between archs |
| 21:06.16 | raster | hahahahah |
| 21:06.34 | josch | cb22, i still dont see your vote for the camisole ^^ |
| 21:07.00 | unknown_lamer | mmm debian on a phone |
| 21:07.06 | summatusmentis | w00t!!! qemu inside of vmware |
| 21:07.17 | raster | wooot |
| 21:07.21 | raster | its working |
| 21:07.24 | josch | lol? |
| 21:07.47 | raster | hmmm |
| 21:07.48 | raster | ok |
| 21:07.51 | raster | backspace is an issue |
| 21:07.53 | raster | bugger |
| 21:07.58 | raster | will fix later |
| 21:07.59 | raster | :) |
| 21:08.07 | josch | hrm... should i do apt-get install qemu on my neo and see if running it eqals a division by zero? :P |
| 21:08.08 | unknown_lamer | summatusmentis: such masochism |
| 21:08.31 | summatusmentis | unknown_lamer: I don't want to install linux natively though |
| 21:08.42 | cb22 | josch: im still instaling x on my new eee : |
| 21:09.07 | cb22 | raster: is e taking over? |
| 21:09.14 | raster | have @ 152 'workou' |
| 21:09.14 | raster | have @ 110 'smelly' |
| 21:09.14 | raster | have @ 130 'smelli' |
| 21:09.14 | raster | have @ 170 'sirloi' |
| 21:09.14 | raster | have @ 181 'sodomy' |
| 21:09.15 | raster | have @ 201 'sodomi' |
| 21:09.17 | raster | have @ 195 'airily' |
| 21:09.18 | mwester | raster: /me neee^Hdsa^H d^Hthe baks^H^Hckspace keu^Hy riggt^H^Hgh NOT^HW! |
| 21:09.19 | raster | have @ 189 'disloy' |
| 21:09.21 | raster | have @ 219 'dismou' |
| 21:09.23 | raster | have @ 203 'dormou' |
| 21:09.25 | raster | hmm |
| 21:09.27 | raster | almost |
| 21:09.29 | raster | its still also trying to do partial word matches |
| 21:09.41 | raster | i typed in "wkelku" |
| 21:09.45 | abraxa_ | smelly... lol |
| 21:09.46 | raster | on my qwerty kbd |
| 21:09.51 | abraxa_ | sodomy... |
| 21:09.54 | raster | and "smelly" is the "best" match |
| 21:10.02 | raster | (at a distance of 110) |
| 21:10.23 | raster | whihc is what i was "intending to type" just intentionally getting my presses off by 1 or so |
| 21:10.37 | raster | if i clean out the partial matches it'll be much less noise |
| 21:11.12 | raster | interestign that sodomy is not far from smelly in terms of correction |
| 21:11.12 | cb22 | raster: if im startin on new app, should i use gtk or some form of e? |
| 21:11.13 | raster | :) |
| 21:11.20 | raster | cb22: use whatever u like |
| 21:11.25 | josch | cb22, USE EDJE!!! |
| 21:11.31 | raster | whatever works bets for your app and needs |
| 21:11.33 | raster | best |
| 21:11.39 | raster | i dont think we should be a one-trick pony |
| 21:11.42 | raster | 1 widget set |
| 21:11.45 | raster | "u must use gtk!" |
| 21:11.49 | raster | "u must use qt" |
| 21:11.51 | raster | "must be qtopia" |
| 21:11.54 | raster | "must be efl" |
| 21:12.03 | raster | use whatever is most appropriate for your designs |
| 21:12.18 | cb22 | raster: buti dont know what is appropriate :) |
| 21:12.40 | josch | cb22, what app do you want to start? |
| 21:12.47 | cb22 | my youtube player |
| 21:13.00 | josch | be adviced that python+ejde works like a dream |
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| 21:13.20 | cb22 | josch: thx, ill have a look |
| 21:13.26 | josch | hrm.... video... - what e module is handling video again? |
| 21:13.31 | josch | was it emotion? |
| 21:13.33 | chillywilly | is the GTA02 out yet? |
| 21:13.39 | josch | chillywilly, no |
| 21:13.57 | chillywilly | bummer |
| 21:14.02 | cb22 | checks the temperature of hell... 85C. sorry, not yet |
| 21:14.47 | ixian_probe | is the GTA04 out yet? I heard that someone was talking about it on the kernel list ^_^ |
| 21:14.51 | ixian_probe | ;) |
| 21:15.26 | cb22 | raster: btw, how many votes do you think we need for scardycat's poll? 1000 or so? |
| 21:15.36 | josch | cb22, the canola guys at indt do python+efl+video very successfully - maybe you should check their stuff out and ask guys like k-s all you need to know. he is *very* helpful! |
| 21:15.46 | summatusmentis | geez... it actually runs pretty quickly... <3 qemu |
| 21:15.55 | wurp2 | ixian_probe: No, but it has a feature to send itself back in time - mine appeared on my desk yesterday |
| 21:16.14 | raster | cool! |
| 21:16.19 | josch | wurp2, what a coincidence! there was one under my pillow this moring! |
| 21:16.27 | cb22 | summatusmentis: your core 2 quad at 2.4ghz is emulating a 266mhz arm machine resonably :p |
| 21:16.38 | josch | lol |
| 21:17.03 | josch | qemu does only use one core doesnt it? |
| 21:17.07 | raster | werd! |
| 21:17.17 | raster | now remoived partial matches |
| 21:17.22 | summatusmentis | cb22: it's running inside of a virtualized machine though |
| 21:18.05 | summatusmentis | OS X -> vmware fusion (ubuntu, 1 core, 512MB ram) -> qemu |
| 21:18.07 | raster | cb22: maybe more. u might also want to add in that 3g may increase price by $200 or something |
| 21:18.40 | raster | cb22: youtube player... |
| 21:18.41 | ScaredyCat | giggles and makes up some names |
| 21:18.42 | raster | hmmm |
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| 21:18.58 | raster | u are in a bit of trouble |
| 21:19.02 | raster | emotion wont help |
| 21:19.12 | raster | it will have zero yuv decode acceleration |
| 21:19.23 | cb22 | summatusmentis: your core 2 quad at 2.4ghz is emulating a 266mhz arm machine resonably :p/ |
| 21:19.26 | cb22 | wtf |
| 21:19.41 | summatusmentis | it actually seems to be, which is exciting |
| 21:19.41 | cb22 | raster: will i be able to get the xid of a widget? |
| 21:19.42 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 21:19.49 | raster | xrender and software engines do yuv->Rgb and scalign all in software |
| 21:19.54 | cb22 | damn eee shift key |
| 21:19.55 | raster | gl engne uses a fragment shader if available |
| 21:20.02 | ScaredyCat | feed it 1.21 jiggawatts of power |
| 21:20.07 | raster | widgets dont have xid's in efl land |
| 21:20.17 | raster | a window will |
| 21:20.28 | raster | if u just want to steal an amplayer window or somethng - fine |
| 21:20.31 | cb22 | raster: so no embdding mplayer? |
| 21:20.39 | raster | do the controls in a separate window |
| 21:20.41 | raster | nup |
| 21:20.52 | raster | well if u want to steal its window id and swallow it in |
| 21:20.57 | raster | but its rather hacky |
| 21:20.59 | raster | imho |
| 21:21.10 | raster | gta02 + video, imho - not a good idea |
| 21:21.16 | summatusmentis | cb22: how's the keyboard on eee? |
| 21:21.22 | raster | iirespective |
| 21:21.24 | cb22 | summatusmentis: pretty nice |
| 21:21.29 | raster | u might manage qvga video decode |
| 21:21.32 | raster | might |
| 21:21.34 | josch | is the source released yet? |
| 21:21.38 | raster | more likely u'll be stuck to 160x120 or so |
| 21:21.45 | raster | in reality |
| 21:21.50 | josch | does the keyboard have a name? |
| 21:21.57 | ScaredyCat | nigel |
| 21:21.58 | summatusmentis | killume |
| 21:22.00 | summatusmentis | :) |
| 21:22.01 | raster | keyboard? |
| 21:22.01 | josch | -.- |
| 21:22.02 | cb22 | raster: my videos are 160x128 |
| 21:22.07 | cb22 | scaled to 320x240 |
| 21:22.07 | raster | cb22: then u may be ok |
| 21:22.17 | thomasg_ | raster, "enter" is taken, so don't even mention it :P |
| 21:22.17 | cb22 | h264 + vorbis |
| 21:22.20 | raster | jo its part of illume itself |
| 21:22.20 | summatusmentis | cb22: too many pixels, he said 160x120!!! |
| 21:22.52 | raster | summatusmentis: i'm guessing based on the video bus speed |
| 21:23.02 | raster | u can write 400x300 yuv data to the video card |
| 21:23.04 | raster | @ 30fps |
| 21:23.06 | raster | BUT |
| 21:23.11 | summatusmentis | raster: I'm just being weird, ignore me |
| 21:23.15 | raster | u wont get any spare cpu cycles for any decode |
| 21:23.18 | cb22 | 15fps is all i need |
| 21:23.20 | raster | zero |
| 21:23.26 | raster | then u may be fine |
| 21:23.33 | raster | again - depends on needs |
| 21:23.41 | raster | but no evas engines use xv for any accel |
| 21:23.56 | cb22 | boo :( raster cant you do some magic pls? |
| 21:23.57 | raster | basically because it is color-keyed only and has not been able to render to a pixmap before |
| 21:24.03 | abraxa_ | lol cb22 |
| 21:24.04 | raster | and stil cant on most xservers |
| 21:24.18 | raster | so i gave up on xv |
| 21:24.43 | josch | magic?? |
| 21:24.46 | josch | i second this! |
| 21:24.50 | cb22 | yeah |
| 21:24.59 | raster | hahaha |
| 21:25.01 | raster | sorry |
| 21:25.04 | raster | doing virtual keyboards |
| 21:25.09 | raster | bjut.. its working |
| 21:25.13 | raster | ... WORKING |
| 21:25.15 | raster | MUHAHAHHA |
| 21:25.18 | raster | my plan is working |
| 21:25.19 | josch | -___- |
| 21:25.34 | raster | it may be leaki9ng memory like a whore |
| 21:25.37 | raster | but it works! |
| 21:25.46 | quicksand | screenshot plz. ;-) |
| 21:25.50 | josch | video plz |
| 21:25.56 | raster | no video |
| 21:25.59 | raster | its debug output |
| 21:26.05 | raster | rmljee -> |
| 21:26.05 | summatusmentis | <insert visual keyboard pron here> plz |
| 21:26.15 | raster | have @ 200 'ripost' match: 'ripost' |
| 21:26.15 | raster | have @ 105 'empire' match: 'empire' |
| 21:26.15 | raster | have @ 165 'enlist' match: 'enlist' |
| 21:26.15 | raster | have @ 187 'dilute' match: 'dilute' |
| 21:26.15 | raster | have @ 179 'filmed' match: 'filmed' |
| 21:26.16 | raster | ... |
| 21:26.20 | josch | its /really/ getting late... |
| 21:26.24 | raster | with "empire" as the best match |
| 21:26.31 | raster | and thats what i was thinking of typing |
| 21:26.31 | raster | :) |
| 21:26.41 | abraxa_ | Mind reading? |
| 21:26.43 | raster | so its actually auto-correcting.. correctly |
| 21:26.46 | josch | what wordlist? |
| 21:26.48 | abraxa_ | You *can* do magic then! |
| 21:26.50 | raster | so far anyway |
| 21:27.01 | raster | josch: /usr/share/dict/words |
| 21:27.02 | raster | :) |
| 21:27.04 | josch | lol |
| 21:27.15 | cb22 | thinks raster has been smoking again... |
| 21:27.17 | raster | it has no concept of english frequency of use |
| 21:27.26 | cb22 | where do you think his nick comes from :p |
| 21:27.31 | raster | i just am blindly reading the unix words dict |
| 21:27.33 | josch | cb22, yeah - has to be some rly good stuff... |
| 21:27.39 | raster | but it works |
| 21:27.42 | raster | MUHAHAHHAHA |
| 21:27.51 | cb22 | lol |
| 21:27.58 | cb22 | pixiel faries |
| 21:28.24 | josch | raster, you just grep through a file with 100.000 words everytime you want to search sth? |
| 21:28.29 | cb22 | raster: what about things like 'ls' is perfectly valid, but lz or lx is not |
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| 21:28.42 | raster | josch: orf course! i mean come on |
| 21:28.47 | raster | my code is like |
| 21:28.57 | raster | system("grep /usr/share/dict/words.... |
| 21:29.00 | raster | of course! |
| 21:29.05 | josch | so much to the required magic... |
| 21:29.06 | raster | i mean duh.. how else would i do it! |
| 21:29.06 | cb22 | lol |
| 21:29.11 | raster | :-P |
| 21:29.14 | josch | s/required/requested/ |
| 21:29.26 | raster | of course i dont linearly grep |
| 21:29.37 | josch | raster, well - one may think of indexing the word for faster access or anything |
| 21:29.51 | raster | i load the words file once - build a 27-way tree lookup table to the mmaped file |
| 21:29.56 | raster | and to a tree search |
| 21:30.08 | raster | so its just rummaging the in-memory tree |
| 21:30.17 | raster | sure - its not hyper efficient memory-wise |
| 21:30.31 | raster | right now i'm just happy to have the algorithm work |
| 21:30.34 | josch | "not hyper efficient"... |
| 21:30.41 | josch | ^^ |
| 21:30.45 | summatusmentis | == uber uber slow |
| 21:30.55 | raster | summatusmentis: its actually fast |
| 21:31.00 | raster | really fast |
| 21:31.05 | raster | it just consumes a fair bit of ram |
| 21:31.16 | summatusmentis | that's good :) again, ignore me, i'm in kind of a weird mood |
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| 21:31.34 | raster | ita tree |
| 21:31.51 | raster | each tree node has a 27-way branch (26 for a-z and 1 for "misc chars") |
| 21:31.56 | josch | i benchmarked the gta01 to find out how fast it can grep a wikipedia title list - 81MB in 82secs |
| 21:32.05 | raster | so to lookup matches i really walk around very littler |
| 21:32.19 | Qwell | josch: the titles of wikipedia articles is 81MB? |
| 21:32.31 | raster | i donmt actually look at the words file until i've matched in the tree |
| 21:32.31 | josch | Qwell, with a lot of optimization, yes |
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| 21:32.34 | summatusmentis | raster: we're just doing disjoint sets and trees, etc. in my data structures class |
| 21:32.41 | raster | and the tre ejust holds the pointer to the mmaped words file |
| 21:33.06 | raster | i need to tyr it on my gta02... |
| 21:33.17 | Qwell | raster: how many chars do you store? |
| 21:33.19 | raster | but first... to make it now return all results sorted with distances |
| 21:33.31 | raster | Qwell: what do u mean? |
| 21:33.34 | cb22 | hey, i've heard of the de called e17, is it any good? |
| 21:33.47 | raster | cb22: it sucks. i know. i use it. |
| 21:33.47 | raster | :) |
| 21:33.54 | josch | lol? |
| 21:33.57 | Qwell | well, if you're branching, each branch would represent a char, so how deep is the tree? |
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| 21:34.17 | Qwell | is it holding the entire word in the tree? |
| 21:34.21 | josch | okay enough moko action for today |
| 21:34.26 | josch | gnight mokomokos! |
| 21:34.34 | cb22 | night camisole josch |
| 21:34.52 | josch | dont forget to vote here: http://neo1973-germany.de/wiki/Tshirt :P |
| 21:34.58 | josch | OMG NOOO |
| 21:35.04 | josch | EVREYBODY VOTES FOR IT |
| 21:35.10 | josch | I'M DOOMED! |
| 21:35.12 | josch | ^^ |
| 21:35.15 | abraxa_ | Yep. |
| 21:35.44 | josch | kk i will explain it to my girlsfriend tomorrow |
| 21:35.48 | josch | so long |
| 21:35.50 | josch | bye! |
| 21:36.20 | ScaredyCat | giggles |
| 21:38.49 | cb22 | registers just to vote :p |
| 21:39.27 | cb22 | slaps himself |
| 21:39.34 | cb22 | the web looks differnt in w3m |
| 21:40.15 | raster | Qwell: the tree is as deep as the max # of chars in any word in it |
| 21:40.23 | raster | Qwell: 1 tree level per char |
| 21:40.35 | cb22 | so supercalifragalistic(...) |
| 21:40.38 | Qwell | gotcha |
| 21:41.07 | raster | yes - i know i can spend a lot more time doign all sorts of data structure fun |
| 21:41.16 | raster | but i'm just going for somethnig straightforward right now |
| 21:41.23 | raster | i want to get this finished in the next few hrs |
| 21:41.28 | Qwell | not critiquing - was just curious :) |
| 21:42.23 | summatusmentis | cb22: you don't need to register |
| 21:43.16 | cb22 | raster: antidestablishmentarianism |
| 21:43.22 | cb22 | thats a real word too |
| 21:43.31 | cb22 | summatusmentis: i k now, w3m was tripping |
| 21:43.42 | summatusmentis | oh, ok |
| 21:44.08 | summatusmentis | why are you using w3m? |
| 21:45.19 | cb22 | still installing x on my ee |
| 21:45.23 | cb22 | eee* |
| 21:45.45 | summatusmentis | doesn't it come w/ x on it? |
| 21:45.54 | cb22 | nd? |
| 21:45.59 | cb22 | im running freebsd now |
| 21:46.02 | cb22 | :) |
| 21:46.34 | summatusmentis | freebsd? I tried that once, didn't realize that my keymap was messed up, and then couldn't log in :) |
| 21:47.22 | cb22 | hehe, i would say freebsd > linnux but that would be suicide here :p |
| 21:47.32 | raster | cb22: i know |
| 21:47.32 | raster | :) |
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| 21:48.08 | summatusmentis | cb22: blasphemy! OS X > freebsd |
| 21:48.13 | raster | ok |
| 21:48.16 | raster | rebuilding some ipks |
| 21:48.29 | cb22 | sends summatusmentis back to cupertino |
| 21:48.40 | raster | any ipks' provide a /usr/share/dict/words? |
| 21:48.50 | CVirus | OS X is proprietary software |
| 21:49.01 | summatusmentis | cb22: I like OS X, it makes my computer work(otherwise I'm tinkering constantly, and breaking things :D) |
| 21:49.06 | summatusmentis | CVirus: yeah, and? |
| 21:49.29 | CVirus | just stating :-D |
| 21:50.25 | summatusmentis | CVirus: :) I'm all for OSS, OS X is just the best OS I've ever used |
| 21:50.44 | wurp2 | Yay, FreeBSD! Without it, Mac might have to give away their hard work fancifying BSD ;-) |
| 21:51.00 | summatusmentis | :) |
| 21:51.02 | summatusmentis | fair enough |
| 21:51.51 | CVirus | hehe |
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| 22:11.52 | raster | MUHAHAHAHAH! |
| 22:11.55 | raster | it's alive |
| 22:11.57 | raster | ALIIIIVE! |
| 22:12.14 | thos | gets the fly squatter |
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| 22:19.49 | summatusmentis | raster: when do we get to see pics? |
| 22:20.25 | raster | summatusmentis: u wont |
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| 22:20.32 | raster | i dont intend to do any screenshots |
| 22:20.37 | summatusmentis | :'-( |
| 22:20.38 | raster | the code is in svn |
| 22:20.38 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r148 10/trunk/software/pyneod/ (6 files): |
| 22:20.38 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: pygsmd's third reincarnation |
| 22:20.38 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: seperates unsol. messages from commands |
| 22:20.38 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: better responsivnes |
| 22:20.38 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: plugin mechanism for different hw / at-dialects |
| 22:20.39 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: proper timeout handling by command (not fully done right now) |
| 22:20.41 | summatusmentis | alright, fair enough |
| 22:20.43 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: device info, pin entry work. registry does not |
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| 22:33.05 | cb22 | zomg more updtes from steve :) |
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| 22:48.32 | summatusmentis | cb22: more updates only because people are getting incredibly impatient |
| 22:49.23 | Sonicadvance | :D |
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| 23:02.01 | mwester | yawns, and wanders off to the ml archives to see what all the excitement is |
| 23:02.26 | summatusmentis | mwester: nothing exciting, people are just anxious |
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| 23:12.05 | kdean06 | How do I install the gllin driver? I'm getting "invalid magic" trying to install the .ipk... |
| 23:14.15 | gamin | kdean06: you may ask this question on the dev-llist |
| 23:14.54 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: still a bit too busy :( |
| 23:15.05 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: and things have been happening around here :( |
| 23:16.04 | kdean06 | Oh, I think I may have found something... |
| 23:16.34 | gamin | kdean06: what was it? |
| 23:17.08 | kdean06 | It seems that what was actually downloaded was the index page, not the ipkg. |
| 23:17.36 | kdean06 | Yeah, that was it. :P |
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| 23:20.11 | Sonicadvance1 | os[Linux 2.6.24-12-generic x86_64] distro[Debian lenny/sid] cpu[4 x AMD Phenom(tm) 9600 Quad-Core Processor (AuthenticAMD) @ 2.31GHz] mem[Physical: 1003.9MB, 41.0% free] disk[Total: 153.7GB, 14.0% free] video[nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GTS] sound[HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB] |
| 23:20.20 | Sonicadvance1 | hm, wrong room :D |
| 23:21.22 | raster | ok |
| 23:21.24 | mwester | It needs another GB of memory anyway. |
| 23:21.27 | raster | now.. waiting on dodji |
| 23:21.37 | raster | i've done the major work in evas to make it glamo-acceleratable for xrender |
| 23:23.49 | gamin | has anyone else seen gllin showing wrong altitudes? |
| 23:24.02 | rtm | How wrong? |
| 23:25.47 | gamin | essentially the height of geoid (mean sea level) above WGS84 ellipsoid calculation is nonsense |
| 23:25.47 | gamin | here where I live I get 48.5m too much |
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| 23:26.29 | gamin | $GPGGA,123519,4807.038,N,01131.000,E,1,08,0.9,545.4,M,48.5,M,,*47 |
| 23:26.51 | rtm | How many satellites are you getting data from when you see that large an error? |
| 23:27.35 | gamin | has nothing to do with the number of satellites, the height of of geoid (mean sea level) above WGS84 ellipsoid depends on your position |
| 23:27.45 | gamin | and is a calculated value |
| 23:27.52 | gamin | not a gps signal value |
| 23:28.10 | gamin | thus every other gps I have shows always 48.5 here |
| 23:28.25 | rtm | Oh - ok, I'm afraid I don't know anything about that. |
| 23:28.37 | rtm | sorry |
| 23:29.25 | gamin | well, the question is, does somebody have checked how precise the altitude is? |
| 23:31.08 | CVirus | [01:19] <gamin> has nothing to do with the number of satellites, the height of of geoid (mean sea level) above WGS84 ellipsoid depends on your position |
| 23:31.17 | CVirus | that's the "geekies" sentence i read today |
| 23:31.24 | CVirus | geekiest* |
| 23:31.45 | gamin | CVirus: I was to lazy to rewrite it and just copied it :) |
| 23:31.50 | CVirus | hehe |
| 23:32.05 | gamin | http://www.gpsinformation.org/dale/nmea.htm#GGA |
| 23:33.40 | gamin | point being is that the earth is not a sphere and depending on where you are you need to add/substract this difference in order to get the correct altitude |
| 23:34.03 | I-MOD | you could try using a different ellipsoid model like WGS90 or one even new than that |
| 23:34.24 | gamin | I-MOD: gllin is closed source... |
| 23:34.45 | I-MOD | even so, you could redo calculations once you get lat/lon from the sats |
| 23:35.35 | I-MOD | just saying there are ways around it |
| 23:38.45 | gamin | I-MOD: I can shoot myself in my foot too ;-))) --- see yourself: |
| 23:38.46 | gamin | http://www.esri.com/news/arcuser/0703/graphics/geoid4_lg.jpg |
| 23:39.17 | gamin | :) not really easy to put that into a one-liner perl ;o) |
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| 23:40.11 | gamin | the image shows the differences between the mathematical WGS84 ellipsoid and the real geoid... |
| 23:43.12 | unknown_lamer | ah using vnc with qemu results in a workably fast display |
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| 23:45.03 | christooss | hello |
| 23:45.06 | christooss | anyone here |
| 23:45.15 | rtm | yup. |
| 23:45.26 | christooss | If I want to start developing openmoko application ie. game |
| 23:45.30 | christooss | where do I start |
| 23:45.52 | christooss | Is there dev documentation for userprograms |
| 23:45.53 | christooss | ? |
| 23:45.53 | rtm | Well, there are getting started instructions on the wiki - have you looked there?" |
| 23:46.18 | christooss | nope :) |
| 23:46.36 | rtm | Yes, there are instructions on building the development environment, building a"Hello World" GUI, etc. |
| 23:46.39 | christooss | irc window was open and I asked :) |
| 23:46.51 | christooss | ok tnx |
| 23:47.07 | christooss | for now :) |
| 23:47.09 | rtm | THere is a simulator which allows you to test your code even if you don't have an actual neo1973 available. |
| 23:48.28 | christooss | rtm oh? |
| 23:48.50 | christooss | I have run openmoko through qemu |
| 23:49.59 | christooss | you mean toolchain? |
| 23:50.46 | rtm | Yes - I find building the environment with MokoMakefile works best. |
| 23:51.27 | rtm | You might first look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Building_a_hello_world_application |
| 23:53.38 | abraxa_ | christooss: http://buildhost.automated.it/sdk/openmoko-P1-Snapshot-20080126-armv4t-linux-gnueabi-toolchain-openmoko.tar.bz2 is what you most likely want to use. |
| 23:59.23 | christooss | tnx for the info |
| 23:59.28 | christooss | I will look in to it |
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