00:00.34 | mjr | 'course, with a local newspaper page it goes 26724->892 bytes... |
00:00.44 | mjr | but that's rather pathological |
00:01.03 | CVirus | why didn't the topic change to maybe due April 2009 ? |
00:01.10 | CVirus | as you guys usually do |
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00:03.07 | anrp | april fools joke, maybe |
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00:08.49 | cesarb | mwester: My stuff isn't ready for integration (well, the part that's already finished is ready, but some important parts are still lacking, like usb, sd, and sound) |
00:09.18 | cesarb | mwester: otoh, it does nothing unless enabled by an echo to the right sysfs file, so it's not much of a problem... |
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05:15.10 | Hopscotch | good morning |
05:19.07 | mbuf | Hopscotch, good morning |
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05:23.15 | Kronk | Howdy all :) |
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06:20.14 | josch | ah! early in the morning! |
06:20.43 | josch | hrm... quicksand is still not there |
06:21.05 | Kronk | mid afternoon here :) |
06:21.25 | summatusmentis | josch: well, yes, I guess it is technically morning |
06:21.34 | josch | hehe |
06:21.41 | josch | it's morning everytime here ^^ |
06:21.53 | Kronk | lol |
06:22.06 | summatusmentis | goodnight guys |
06:23.42 | josch | hehe |
06:24.08 | Kronk | cya |
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06:28.17 | Linux_Galore | phones shown at CITIA this year were pretty ho-hum |
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06:41.17 | Linux_Galore | only thin interesting is Windows mobile 6.2 should have a proper browser so web pages dont look like crap |
06:41.21 | Linux_Galore | thing* |
06:41.41 | Linux_Galore | due out later this year though |
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06:43.19 | Linux_Galore | CTIA* |
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07:16.54 | SpeedEvil | is! |
07:16.58 | josch | \o/ |
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07:17.17 | josch | wohoo! pencake! ^^ |
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07:43.09 | doc|home | michael shiloh was supposed to be talking to someone called steve about a status update, anyone heard anything about that? |
07:45.46 | CVirus | not me |
07:46.00 | CVirus | MichaelShiloh: any updates ? |
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08:04.55 | apt | michaelshiloh is currently on #openmoko (1h 38m 17s), last said: 'greetins, mwester'. |
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13:10.04 | wurp2|gone | netsurf3: whaddaya mean, day? I just got up! |
13:10.29 | netsurf3 | 2pm |
13:10.33 | netsurf3 | here :P |
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13:14.32 | wurp2|gone | having proved myself a groggy oaf, I'm off again. Have a good afternoone! |
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13:38.11 | cb22 | anyone here good with python and gtk? |
13:41.39 | josch | specify *good* |
13:42.03 | cb22 | josch: have you looked through settingsgiui? |
13:42.07 | cb22 | settingsgui* |
13:42.31 | josch | cb22, it's hosted on my server :P |
13:42.52 | cb22 | hehe, you code it? |
13:43.01 | josch | no |
13:43.11 | josch | it's kristian-m who wrote it |
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13:44.50 | cb22 | ok, well, could you explain the difference: http://pastebin.com/m4fe2e454 |
13:45.14 | cb22 | or http://pastebin.com/m684f8da6 for a nicer coloured version |
13:45.50 | cb22 | both work, and settings gui is much slower? |
13:46.03 | cb22 | (it's waiting 500ms from what i gather) |
13:47.24 | josch | lol what does the youplay do there? |
13:47.40 | cb22 | it starts :) |
13:49.06 | josch | kristian-m, customers!! |
13:49.29 | cb22 | huh? |
13:49.38 | cb22 | also, have a look at http://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/client/?root=youplay |
13:50.11 | josch | yeah i looked into it recently |
13:50.47 | cb22 | that's from 40 seconds ago =) its just puzzling me, why does settings gui do so much? |
13:50.54 | cb22 | <PROTECTED> |
13:51.32 | josch | ?? |
13:53.06 | cb22 | josch: like, to start itself up, it uses gobject, threads, waiting, etc |
13:53.10 | cb22 | 15:53 < cb22> josch: like, to start itself up, it uses gobject, threads, waiting, etc |
13:53.14 | cb22 | argh |
13:53.16 | cb22 | stupid mouse |
13:54.03 | josch | ^^ |
13:55.02 | josch | your two pastes look the same? |
13:55.07 | josch | whats the point? |
13:55.52 | cb22 | josch: i know, they are the same |
13:56.00 | cb22 | look at the one under ### Me: |
13:56.06 | cb22 | then compare to ## SettingsGUI: |
13:56.28 | cb22 | why does settings gui do that extra stuff? |
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14:01.12 | josch | oh NOW i understand what you want to compare ^^ |
14:02.05 | josch | hrm... all he has more is the threading isnt it? |
14:02.27 | thomasg | yeah, I also see no difference exepct the enabling of gtk-threading |
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14:03.17 | cb22 | hmm, thought so |
14:03.24 | cb22 | and the gobject.timeout? |
14:03.53 | wurp2|gone | sets up a timed or repeated event |
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14:07.59 | josch | this timeout_add is to update the gui every 500ms |
14:08.44 | ahven | can anyone tell what does /sys/devices/platform/s3c24xx-spi-gpio.1/spi0.0/state respond to in the newer builds? |
14:08.50 | ahven | from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Video_Player |
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14:18.43 | cb22 | ahven: since you are in a video player mood, do you feel like trying out gstreamer for me :)? |
14:19.01 | ahven | sure, why not .9 |
14:19.46 | cb22 | thanks :) could you install gstreamer, gstreamer-ffmpeg |
14:20.36 | josch | omg |
14:20.51 | josch | could it be that due to yestersays downtime some wiki edits got lost? |
14:23.24 | ahven | hmmhmm |
14:23.26 | ahven | cb22: |
14:23.28 | ahven | root@om-gta01:~# opkg install gstreamer-ffmpeg |
14:23.28 | ahven | Nothing to be done |
14:23.28 | ahven | An error ocurred, return value: 4. |
14:23.28 | ahven | Collected errors: |
14:23.28 | ahven | Cannot find package gstreamer-ffmpeg. |
14:23.34 | ahven | gstreamer is uptodate |
14:23.47 | ahven | did update the repos at first |
14:24.19 | cb22 | hmm, ok. do you still have nocabac.mkv on your neo? |
14:25.35 | ahven | yep |
14:25.58 | cb22 | try: gst-launch playbin uri=file://(insert path to file here) |
14:27.57 | cb22 | and if that doesnt work, try opkg install gst-plugin-matroska gst-plugin-vorbis gst-plugin-playbin gst-plugin-h264parse |
14:28.19 | ahven | ERROR: from element /playbin0: Invalid URI "file:/nocabac.mkv". |
14:28.25 | ahven | symlinked it to / |
14:28.36 | cb22 | add in two more '/' |
14:28.49 | cb22 | like uri=file:///nocabac.mkv |
14:28.52 | ahven | ok, missing plugins |
14:29.16 | cb22 | ok, could you try installing those ones i mentioned above? |
14:29.56 | ahven | root@om-gta01:/media/card# gst-launch playbin uri=file:////nocabac.mkv |
14:29.56 | ahven | Setting pipeline to PAUSED ... |
14:29.56 | ahven | Pipeline is PREROLLING ... |
14:29.56 | ahven | ** Message: don't know how to handle video/x-h264, codec_data=(buffer)014d4033ffe10016674d40339a738508d080000003008000000f478c193c01000468ee3c80, width=(int)160, height=(int)128, pixel-aspect-ratio=(fraction)1/1, framerate=(fraction)500000000/33333333 |
14:29.57 | ahven | Pipeline is PREROLLED ... |
14:29.59 | ahven | Setting pipeline to PLAYING ... |
14:30.01 | ahven | New clock: GstAudioSinkClock |
14:30.05 | ahven | exported DISPLAY to :0.0 |
14:30.16 | ahven | no video output |
14:30.23 | cb22 | but sound? |
14:30.25 | ahven | skippy audio only |
14:31.04 | cb22 | maybe try install gst-plugins-ffmpeg |
14:31.31 | cb22 | or gst-ffmpeg |
14:33.32 | ahven | root@om-gta01:/media/card# opkg search *ffmpeg* |
14:33.32 | ahven | gst-plugin-ffmpegcolorspace - 0.10.17-r2 - /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstffmpegcolorspace.so |
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14:35.44 | cb22 | :( oh well, there goes that idea. thanks for the help! |
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14:43.28 | SpeedEvil | ponders http://online.vodafone.co.uk/dispatch/Portal/appmanager/vodafone/wrp?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=template04&pageID=MB_0001&WT_ref=INT-PSHOP-310108-Home-AbtVFAtHome-02 |
14:44.37 | cb22 | how much do you think you could buy that modem standalone for? |
14:44.51 | cb22 | thinks of freerunner + hsdpa |
14:45.00 | SpeedEvil | cbrake_away: doesn't matter. |
14:45.14 | cb22 | doesnt matter? |
14:45.17 | SpeedEvil | cb22: you can't - in the UK - get IP access without a modem. |
14:45.46 | SpeedEvil | At least AFAIK |
14:46.14 | zedstar | be interested to see a speed test on the uplink on these mobile broadband solutions |
14:47.57 | zedstar | they tend to be very symmetrical |
14:48.02 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: huh? |
14:48.10 | cb22 | zedstar: are you missing an a? |
14:48.18 | zedstar | opps yeh a |
14:48.55 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: n otherwords, i'd want to buy one of those sticks, then get a sim card here (south africa) and use it |
14:49.10 | cb22 | but it looks like you can only get them with a contract :( |
14:49.15 | SpeedEvil | cb22: Well - not quite. |
14:49.18 | zedstar | no sim card though for this price |
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14:49.50 | SpeedEvil | cbrake_away: the 30 day contract is 99 quid for the modem (though not the little one) and 20 quid for the minimum months service |
14:50.30 | SpeedEvil | I don't know if you'd have to pay an unlock fee. |
14:50.48 | zedstar | i find all the mobile plans limited for what i want to do....id wud like to listen to internet radio etc and im soon gonna hit their caps |
14:51.24 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: maybe the best would be to find the dodgy factory in taiwan that makes them?> |
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14:51.35 | SpeedEvil | Doesn't say. |
14:51.58 | SpeedEvil | zedstar: yeah - the fundmental problem with that is that they've got limited capacity. |
14:52.28 | zedstar | speedevil yeh i keep toying with the idea of a contract but it is frustrating locking myself into that crap |
14:52.45 | zedstar | the reality is we are shafted |
14:53.09 | cb22 | anyone know where to get a usb hsdpa modem for cheap? |
14:53.11 | zedstar | maybe wimax might bring down some prices in competition if it takes off |
14:53.32 | SpeedEvil | I also have the problem that my credit score is negative infinity. |
14:54.25 | SpeedEvil | Due to ill health meaning I became unable to pay my credit card and got bank overdraft problems leading to termination of the account. |
14:54.36 | SpeedEvil | So contracts are kind of hard to get. |
14:55.16 | zedstar | well the prepaid options got better at least |
14:55.40 | SpeedEvil | yeah - 3 is offering 10 quid a month - effectively - with 65 quid modem |
14:56.56 | zedstar | 10-15 pounds sounds reasonable |
14:57.24 | mjr | nope, nooo motivation to do networking code today |
14:57.46 | SpeedEvil | gets out the channel motivation whip. |
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15:00.48 | zedstar | yesterday i tried to get some inside info on trolltech - nokia aquisition but failed.... was curious to see if there was a plan |
15:02.16 | SpeedEvil | Nobody expects the Finnish aquisition! |
15:02.39 | mjr | :D |
15:02.52 | cb22 | * facepalm |
15:03.10 | zedstar | was kinda curious to see if it was an attempt to get gsm stack into maemo but i think not.....more likely that qt development for symbian coming |
15:03.46 | mjr | zedstar, that's the party line at least |
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15:10.23 | zedstar | u can do qt dev on windows ce apparently also...didnt know that |
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15:22.05 | CVirus | Would it be of any use for OpenMoko if I learned ARM assembly ? |
15:22.19 | CVirus | I'm learning MIPS assembly at school and thought of learning assembly for another architecture |
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15:27.49 | SpeedEvil | To a very limited extent |
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15:34.44 | CVirus | SpeedEvil: I wonder why |
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15:35.24 | SpeedEvil | Very little coding is done in asm |
15:36.49 | CVirus | hmm |
15:37.16 | CVirus | I wonder if assembly is useful in any way ? |
15:37.17 | CVirus | :-D |
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15:40.11 | zedstar | no harm doing it on an undergrad course tho as good way to get an understanding of computer architecture |
15:41.11 | CVirus | won't I be able to write a cool looking OS with assembly ? |
15:41.12 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
15:41.14 | CVirus | like minute OS ? |
15:41.17 | SpeedEvil | Sure. |
15:41.29 | SpeedEvil | It's just it typically takes longer than high level languages. |
15:41.49 | SpeedEvil | A knowledge of assembly can help with optimisation. |
15:41.55 | cb22 | curses gtk.DrawingArea |
15:41.57 | SpeedEvil | But that's a small part of it. |
15:42.03 | CVirus | Menuet OS* |
15:42.19 | cb22 | CVirus: quick, go out there and make a h264 decoder thats 4 times quicker then anything out there for arm :) |
15:42.21 | SpeedEvil | To really do ooptimisation, you need to understand the physical machine. |
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15:43.17 | SpeedEvil | For example. What's the RAM latency? What's a cacheline? How many cachelines are there in the cache? How fast is a random access to an unaligned 32 bit quantity that's not in cache? |
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15:43.59 | CVirus | sounds interesting |
15:44.38 | cb22 | ~lart SpeedEvil for knowing too much |
15:44.38 | apt | raises middle finger to SpeedEvil for knowing too much |
15:44.44 | CVirus | I wonder how much time did it take this guy http://www.menuetos.net/ |
15:45.10 | SpeedEvil | And then there are the hideous problems of CPUs with more than one core. |
15:46.35 | SpeedEvil | The neo CPU is actually dead simple as 'modern' loads go. |
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15:47.00 | Blastur | http://theregoesdave.com/2008/04/04/power-play-android-and-skype/ |
15:47.08 | SpeedEvil | err |
15:47.10 | SpeedEvil | modern CPUs |
15:50.48 | zedstar | reading that article i dont get it.....what is the VOIP gonna go over? |
15:51.29 | SpeedEvil | RFC1149 |
15:52.52 | zedstar | lol speedevil |
15:52.58 | zedstar | i love that rfc |
15:53.41 | CVirus | hehe |
15:54.02 | zedstar | i saw ping implemented over carrier pigeon somewhere also |
15:54.17 | Blastur | well |
15:54.27 | Blastur | there are a lot of WLANs out there |
15:54.59 | Blastur | i think if android becomes skype exclusive, it will seriously affect which handset ppl will buy |
15:55.31 | zedstar | but can already do skype over WLAN on phones not sure the big deal here? |
15:56.32 | mwester | CVirus: Learning more than one assembly language is an excellent way to understand some of the architectural differences between processors vs things all processors have in common -- but I suspect you'll find more in common between MIPS and ARM, so I'd suggest x86 instead. |
15:57.59 | zedstar | unless google start subsidising minutes for calls to landlines |
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16:00.11 | CVirus | mwester: I see |
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16:04.06 | SpeedEvil | I430 |
16:04.13 | SpeedEvil | wonders if I've remembered that right. |
16:04.16 | SpeedEvil | The OOP one. |
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16:23.02 | Stephmw | howdy |
16:23.17 | josch | lol Stephmw ! |
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16:58.05 | cb22 | where is the 'correct' place to store settigns on om? gconf? |
16:58.25 | roh | think so |
16:59.37 | cb22 | thanks, i also assume apps shouldnt take for granted that the screen will be 480x640? |
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17:07.33 | mjr | should not |
17:08.19 | mjr | First, even on the neo it's rotateable. Second, hopefully other devices will come. Heck, FIC's other OM device, that navigator thingy, already has a different resolution... |
17:09.00 | Stephmw | cb22: how you deal with different resolutions is up to you though, iirc |
17:09.15 | Stephmw | cb22: placeholder layouts, layour managers, scalable UIs, etc |
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18:52.09 | ScaredyCat | it's.... |
18:52.14 | ScaredyCat | oh so quiet.... |
18:52.18 | ScaredyCat | shhhh ssshhh |
18:52.22 | xcasex_ | btw |
18:52.24 | cb22 | . |
18:52.28 | xcasex_ | haiku-os is impressive. |
18:52.28 | cb22 | moo |
18:52.35 | cb22 | xcasex_: yeah, i agree |
18:53.04 | xcasex_ | installed it onto a spare thinkpad i have, works alright for a pre-alpha os. about the same reliability as osx 10.0 |
18:53.07 | xcasex_ | i.e none |
18:53.11 | xcasex_ | but impressive nonetheless |
18:53.12 | xcasex_ | brb |
18:53.43 | ScaredyCat | lol |
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18:57.21 | summatusmentis | meh, screenshots don't look that exciting |
18:57.52 | cb22 | hehe |
18:58.04 | cb22 | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/f95af325b69c7082e54c0d53ddd5f1ac.png is my favourite |
18:58.25 | summatusmentis | oh, no I meant screenshots of haiku-os |
18:58.33 | summatusmentis | I'm excited for OpenMoko :) |
18:59.03 | summatusmentis | and mickeyl is coming back soon :) |
19:02.20 | ScaredyCat | is he no longer snowed in? |
19:02.26 | mwester | mickeyl is probably signed up with some random nick, checking out who's lying in wait for him before he shows up. :p :D |
19:04.59 | CVirus | MichaelShiloh <--- |
19:05.37 | summatusmentis | mwester: :D I hope not, because then he's never coming back |
19:09.50 | cb22 | summatusmentis: actually he is eating his perpetual dinner again |
19:09.56 | cb22 | check back in 5 years |
19:11.22 | summatusmentis | lol |
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19:21.32 | mjr | go figure, I did manage to motivate myself enough to do a part of the receiving end of a diffing proxy... |
19:22.14 | mjr | we'll see how tomorrow goes |
19:22.14 | mjr | there's the uncomfortable matter that I almost certainly won't be productizing this thing |
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19:48.30 | ScaredyCat | shame mjr |
19:53.21 | mechstomp | so does the openmoko work in the UK |
19:53.29 | ScaredyCat | yes |
19:53.34 | mechstomp | and whens the freerunner out? i cant find a release date |
19:53.36 | ScaredyCat | the neo does |
19:53.36 | mechstomp | thank u btw |
19:53.52 | ScaredyCat | we're waiting for hte announcement |
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19:54.05 | ScaredyCat | de in April, possibly later |
19:54.07 | mechstomp | ok, the moko site seemed like it was down earlier today |
19:54.18 | mechstomp | hope its april |
19:54.49 | ScaredyCat | yeah, we're all waiting... :) |
19:54.58 | mechstomp | :D thanks for the info |
19:55.06 | ScaredyCat | np |
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20:19.06 | summatusmentis | ScaredyCat: there were two criteria listed before they released, do we know the status of those two criteria? |
20:19.21 | summatusmentis | the DVT and the PVT |
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20:21.20 | Cap_J_L_Picard | NOTE: Unpacking /usr/src/moko/sources/trunk_svn.o-hand.com_.repos.eds-dbus_659_.tar.gz to /usr/src/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/eds-dbus-1.4.0+svnr659-r7/ |
20:21.23 | Cap_J_L_Picard | tar: /usr/src/moko/sources/trunk_svn.o-hand.com_.repos.eds-dbus_659_.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory |
20:21.45 | Cap_J_L_Picard | anyone know where to grab the file? |
20:22.00 | Cap_J_L_Picard | and where to put it? |
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20:24.50 | paul0 | which was the price of P1? |
20:34.13 | ScaredyCat | summatusmentis: dunno... |
20:34.32 | ScaredyCat | Cap_J_L_Picard: just uploaded them to my buildhost for you |
20:34.34 | summatusmentis | oh ok |
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21:26.06 | cb22 | need.... freerunner... info... |
21:26.31 | josch | hehe |
21:26.37 | josch | !seen quicksand |
21:26.39 | cdbot2 | quicksand (i=3f51a178@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-07598142a380e9e8) was last seen quitting from #openmoko 1 day, 2 hours, 15 minutes ago stating ({"http://www.mibbit.com} ajax IRC Client\"). |
21:26.46 | josch | hrm... |
21:26.48 | wurp2|gone | paul0: $300 USD for the basic kit (no debug board) |
21:26.59 | cb22 | on a sidenote, i finally figured out how to play video with pygtk and mplayer |
21:27.03 | cb22 | retardedly easy |
21:27.22 | wurp2|gone | pygtk and *mplayer*? |
21:27.33 | paul0 | wurp2|gone, thanks, i've found in the FAQ too ;) |
21:27.37 | cb22 | python + gtk + mplayer |
21:27.39 | wurp2|gone | paul0: np :-) |
21:27.57 | wurp2|gone | cb22: Weird, I didn't know mplayer had any kind of support for being embedded |
21:28.08 | cb22 | wurp2|gone: its actually amazingly simple |
21:28.11 | wurp2|gone | Unless you're just using a gtk gui to kick off mplayer, which then takes over |
21:28.16 | paul0 | wurp2|gone, do you know if neorunner will have 3G? |
21:28.22 | wurp2|gone | it will not |
21:28.23 | paul0 | i mean, 3g support |
21:28.27 | cb22 | you see all widgets have an xid |
21:28.38 | abraxa_ | cb22: ...unless you actually want to *control* an embedded mplayer instance from the embedding app. |
21:28.41 | cb22 | and mplayer can take over this xid if you use the -wid option |
21:28.43 | wurp2|gone | gprs & that other one, even slower |
21:28.55 | cb22 | abraxa_: slave mode + -wid |
21:29.03 | wurp2|gone | cb22: Cool! |
21:29.04 | abraxa_ | cb22: Slave mode freaking sucks, sorry |
21:29.14 | wurp2|gone | abraxa_: Is it just slow? |
21:29.21 | cb22 | nope, its just crap |
21:29.41 | wurp2|gone | that is not very informative :-( |
21:29.55 | abraxa_ | wurp2|gone: What's slow? Slave mode? Or playback? |
21:29.56 | cb22 | hehe, i dont know why it sucks, i hear it just does |
21:30.11 | cb22 | try do things more advanced then normal playback / pausing |
21:30.55 | cb22 | sweet, there are even python bindings for youtube! |
21:31.13 | wurp2|gone | abraxa_: I don't know. I am trying to find out why you say slave mode sucks |
21:32.35 | cb22 | you know one thing my youtube player is going to have that the iphone one doesnt? options :p |
21:33.17 | wurp2|gone | Has anyone tried the task list with a recent release? |
21:33.24 | wurp2|gone | Because it doesn't even try to come up on mine |
21:33.45 | cb22 | lets say you want to hear a song, and they have the music video on youtube... well, you could watch it through my normal transcoding server right, and get 35kbit/s video and 12kbit/s vorbis audio |
21:34.10 | abraxa_ | wurp2|gone: One reason it sucks is that you can't even do simple OSD messages. You also *can* rotate the output so the video is displayed in landscape mode but the progress bar is rendered as if the video were in portrait mode. Hence, it's vertical. There's also zero granularity on which items you want to have shown with the progress bar and there is no way for you to find out what the current volume is. Tons of stuff that made me cringe wh |
21:34.10 | abraxa_ | en I tried embedding it into the media player. |
21:34.13 | cb22 | or you could click a magic button, and only the audio would be encoded. 40kb/s vorbis is pretty devent |
21:34.49 | cb22 | abraxa_: meh :/ i dont suppose its been updated since then? |
21:35.19 | cb22 | all that i've used of it so far is 'pause' |
21:35.23 | wurp2|gone | abraxa_: That's odd... some of that stuff seems like it would be easy to add |
21:36.28 | abraxa_ | cb22: To be fair I haven't checked but reading the slave mode docs it seems that people just implement the stuff they need for their own projects - and I didn't feel like dealing with mplayer at the time and push these features upstream |
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21:37.30 | wurp2|gone | Has anyone tried video with gstreamer? |
21:37.34 | abraxa_ | Just checked... you can now get volume |
21:37.47 | cb22 | wurp2|gone: yeah, sortof |
21:37.55 | abraxa_ | And yes, I did... it's so slow that I needed to resort to mplayer :) |
21:38.08 | abraxa_ | gstreamer's video I/O is not optimized for ARM at all |
21:38.16 | wurp2|gone | ok, good to know ;-) |
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21:38.20 | cb22 | i dont suppose there is a screenshot of a neo xrandr'ed into horizontal mode at all? |
21:38.27 | cb22 | or could someone upload one please? |
21:38.40 | abraxa_ | Anything you want it to show in particular? |
21:38.47 | wurp2|gone | What app do you want to see in horizontal mode? |
21:39.00 | wurp2|gone | They have all looked surprisingly (to me) good in horiz mode |
21:39.08 | cb22 | just the main menu would be fine |
21:39.13 | cb22 | or maybe the main menu and an app |
21:39.16 | wurp2|gone | some are certainly not perfect, but more looked right than I expected |
21:39.25 | wurp2|gone | Flashing mine atm |
21:39.42 | cb22 | btw, i'm thinking, wouldnt it make more sense to have the tabs on the left / right when in horiz mode? not sure if it does this atm |
21:40.03 | wurp2|gone | The lack of ipkg fubared my post-flash script, and converting it to opkg is an abysmal failure so far |
21:40.52 | cb22 | josch: you seen http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/56c51a65150850527556fe8c1811caea.png ? |
21:41.16 | josch | cb22, of course! Marcel_M posted it |
21:41.34 | josch | i now even have a *working* tar :-D |
21:41.53 | cb22 | heh, why wasnt it working? |
21:42.07 | josch | dont know |
21:42.12 | josch | quicksand tried it out |
21:42.16 | josch | it didnt work for him |
21:42.27 | josch | but i didnt test the tar i uploaded either |
21:42.34 | josch | and there was some little error in it |
21:42.51 | josch | and since i'm too much of a perfectionist i did a new build, tar'd and tested it |
21:43.02 | josch | now it works for sure [tm] |
21:47.14 | Cap_J_L_Picard | ScaredyCat: Thanks |
21:47.25 | cb22 | ScaredyCat / thos: where could i find your simpler gtk theme? |
21:50.07 | wurp2|gone | cb22: You could install a ScaredyCat image... |
21:50.19 | cb22 | wurp2|gone: on my qemu? :p |
21:50.46 | cb22 | its fine though, found the bug for it :) |
21:51.23 | wurp2|gone | sure |
21:51.36 | ScaredyCat | cb22: there's a link to mine on my blog |
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21:54.01 | josch | cb22, you have no neo?? |
21:54.08 | cb22 | josch: nope :( |
21:54.13 | josch | omg! |
21:54.15 | josch | :-( |
21:54.33 | cb22 | lol, why do you think i'm asking everyone for help :) |
21:55.15 | josch | cb22, hey you cant imagine how many questions you will have when you finally have a neo :P |
21:55.32 | cb22 | s/neo/freerunner/ :p |
21:55.45 | josch | hrm kk |
21:55.52 | josch | still prefers gta01 :P |
21:56.47 | cb22 | so, anyone with a neo, python and mplayer feel like running a program? |
21:57.09 | wurp2|gone | josch: has both? |
21:57.16 | wurp2|gone | cb22: sure |
21:57.31 | wurp2|gone | although mplayer doesn't really work on the 01 on recent releases |
21:57.35 | wurp2|gone | s/really // |
21:57.38 | josch | wurp2|gone, no but i prefer the simplicity of framebuffer graphics oer the glamo in gta02 |
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21:58.20 | josch | cb22, i would try it out if i were running openmoko ^^ |
21:58.31 | josch | i suspect you have a ipkg? |
21:58.47 | cb22 | not yet, still at the tarball stage :( |
21:58.55 | josch | oh then it's no problem |
21:59.05 | josch | i can apt-get install mplayer and see what it gives |
21:59.08 | josch | ah wait |
21:59.18 | josch | still compiling efl on it ^^ |
22:00.27 | cb22 | what is the best -vo? sdl? |
22:02.48 | cb22 | ok, here are my simple install instructions: get http://cb22.za.net/videos/youplay.tbz and extract it somewhere. then fetch http://cb22.za.net/videos/nocabac.mkv and put it in /tmp |
22:03.35 | cb22 | next, cd to where you extract it to, and run python youplayer. you will need python, and gtk and threading |
22:03.48 | cb22 | josch: wait - are you actually compiling efl ON the neo? |
22:03.53 | josch | hehehhe |
22:03.57 | abraxa_ | cb22: I used fbdev, even though that's not "proper" |
22:04.09 | josch | but it works [tm] |
22:04.50 | cb22 | abraxa_: hmmm, but could you embed it with -wid? |
22:04.52 | wurp2|gone | is there a different package I should be installing instead of gpsd? |
22:05.15 | wurp2|gone | 'cause gpsd has been busted for a long time |
22:05.35 | abraxa_ | cb22: I only used it in fullscreen mode - everything else required scaling which totally destroyed performance |
22:06.55 | cb22 | abraxa_: yeah, i could imagine. although in the test ahven did, it can play back 160x128 scaled to 320x240 |
22:07.05 | abraxa_ | *coughs* |
22:07.08 | cb22 | thats h264 and vorbis |
22:07.27 | abraxa_ | Why scale 160x128 to 320x240 when you can play a 320x240 natively? :) |
22:07.42 | abraxa_ | Well, I guess GPRS would be a reason but otherwise.. |
22:07.50 | cb22 | abraxa_: cause a 160x128 scaled to 320x240 looks better then a 320x240 |
22:08.08 | cb22 | and GPRS is not a reason, its THE reason |
22:08.09 | abraxa_ | Euh? |
22:08.19 | abraxa_ | Oh, I see what you mean |
22:08.33 | abraxa_ | 160x128 at higher bandwidth vs 320x240 with lower bandwidth |
22:08.35 | cb22 | sorry, i muddled up that sentance |
22:08.37 | cb22 | yeah |
22:08.43 | cb22 | its a quater the size |
22:08.48 | abraxa_ | Yeah |
22:10.40 | cb22 | also, do you know how 320x240 mode (should) works? |
22:13.22 | abraxa_ | It should work with xrandr by now |
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22:13.48 | abraxa_ | Before, you'd need some "manual tweaking" via sysfs :) |
22:14.35 | cb22 | hehe yeah, so when you resize, is it like changing the res on your screen? |
22:14.45 | cb22 | or i read somewhere that it gives you the top left 320x240? |
22:14.52 | abraxa_ | Nope, it's full-screen :) |
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22:19.04 | wurp2|gone | gotta go play D&D, later guys ;-) |
22:19.19 | cb22 | cheers |
22:19.29 | cb22 | i'm off to bed too, night everyone |
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22:22.15 | Marex | hi |
22:22.23 | Marex | anyone can help me with gsmd a bit ? |
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22:23.28 | Marex | my device's modem doesnt like getting "\r"s as standalone writes |
22:23.38 | Marex | shall I patch atcmd.c or what ? |
22:23.47 | thos | give up hope? |
22:23.48 | thos | :) |
22:24.10 | Marex | I got to point there I can dial using at commands |
22:24.16 | Marex | Im not giving up, damned :E~ |
22:24.33 | thos | Marex, what device are you using? |
22:24.33 | mickeyl | \r\n is used to wake up the modem from sleep in AT mode |
22:24.44 | mickeyl | sounds like this needs to be factored out into the device plugins |
22:25.01 | mickeyl | [not that it would matter when using the MUXer though...] |
22:25.03 | Marex | mickeyl, I dont mean \r\n |
22:25.36 | Marex | I mean eg. ATZ (gets written to tty) and \r (gets written to tty) |
22:25.38 | Marex | separatelly |
22:25.56 | Marex | and since I have line discipline driver there, it causes problems |
22:26.01 | mickeyl | where and how is \r getting written? |
22:26.12 | mickeyl | s/how/why/ |
22:26.24 | Marex | atcmd.c line 522 |
22:26.37 | Marex | ah ... no idea |
22:26.53 | Marex | every AT command should be terminated with 'r |
22:26.53 | ScaredyCat | spies a rare creature .... the mickeyl !! |
22:26.53 | mickeyl | heh, interesting. |
22:26.55 | Marex | \r |
22:26.59 | Marex | that is correct |
22:26.59 | mickeyl | hi ScaredyCat |
22:27.10 | Marex | but it shouldnt be sent separatelly |
22:27.11 | cb22 | zomg mickeyl! |
22:27.13 | ScaredyCat | escaped the snow mickeyl? |
22:27.19 | cb22 | how was austria? |
22:27.26 | cb22 | or australia :p |
22:27.34 | Marex | it probably doesnt make problems when there is no line discipline driver |
22:27.43 | Marex | but with it it's troublesome |
22:27.44 | mickeyl | Marex: interesting. if it's mandatory that it's getting written in one chunk it could be a bug. |
22:28.02 | mickeyl | ScaredyCat: yeah. it stopped snowing on friday... just in time for the ride back today |
22:28.23 | ScaredyCat | we missed you :) |
22:28.24 | mickeyl | cb22: yep, austria. cold, but nice. a week without connectivity is very relaxing |
22:28.28 | mickeyl | ScaredyCat: thanks :) |
22:28.42 | Marex | mickeyl, well the line discipline driver encapsulates it in format the modem accepts |
22:29.38 | mickeyl | Marex: can you use +CMUX? |
22:29.49 | mickeyl | perhaps it works in muxing mode |
22:30.03 | cb22 | Marex: say, don't you own a h6300 :) |
22:30.06 | Marex | sure, there is some strange multiplexing going on |
22:30.32 | Marex | cb22, htc beetles - ericsson DB2011 gsm chip |
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22:33.25 | thos | cb22, what where you blaming me for? |
22:33.35 | Marex | mickeyl, hang on, gotta reboot |
22:34.07 | cb22 | thos: world hunger |
22:34.25 | thos | ah, rightio |
22:34.37 | thos | I did tell people opkg wouldn't cure world hunger |
22:34.37 | cb22 | :p actually your customizationnized openmoko theme |
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22:34.41 | thos | but no one was listening |
22:35.10 | cb22 | yeah well, you had us with the omgponies part |
22:39.42 | Marex | mickeyl, so ... what about that +CMUX? |
22:39.52 | mickeyl | Marex: you might want to try gsmd under the MUXer |
22:40.04 | mickeyl | perhaps this runs better with your modem |
22:40.12 | mickeyl | or give a shot at gsmd2 or pygmsd |
22:40.23 | mickeyl | so many options *cough* |
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22:41.11 | Marex | or I can write my one phone app, hmmm :/ |
22:41.28 | mickeyl | you could. but that's not advised. better help us getting one working gsmd ;) |
22:41.33 | Marex | sure |
22:41.46 | mickeyl | i'm not sure whether any of the present approaches cuts it though |
22:41.50 | Marex | btw under the muxer you mean dropping the kernel module and do the demuxing in gsmd ? |
22:42.09 | mickeyl | hmm so you already have a kernel muxer? |
22:42.14 | Marex | yea |
22:42.17 | mickeyl | i was referring to our userland muxer @ http://www.freesmartphone.org/sources/gsm0710muxd-0.9.0.tar.gz |
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22:42.31 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: you're back! how was vacation? |
22:42.51 | mickeyl | summatusmentis: well, it wasn't a real vacation. i did work while the others were skiing |
22:43.03 | Marex | ewww dbus ? |
22:43.05 | mickeyl | it was a bit of a vacation thanks to high priced internet though |
22:43.13 | mickeyl | Marex: yeah! |
22:43.21 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: no skiing? lame |
22:43.28 | mickeyl | indeed |
22:43.29 | Marex | mickeyl, ok, no interest |
22:43.34 | Marex | :) |
22:43.45 | mickeyl | Marex: heh. old style unix hacker? ioctls are good enough for us? |
22:44.00 | Marex | mickeyl, yea, and opie doesnt like dbus much |
22:44.04 | mickeyl | well |
22:44.05 | mickeyl | opie is dead |
22:44.06 | Marex | dont make me recall hacking on bluetooth |
22:44.12 | Marex | mickeyl, nah ... it isnt |
22:44.13 | Marex | :) |
22:44.21 | mickeyl | i buried it. you dug it out again? |
22:44.25 | mickeyl | :D |
22:44.29 | univac | :> |
22:44.33 | cb22 | undead opie |
22:44.39 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: when you've got time, I'd appreciate it if you'd look at my updated SoC application |
22:44.42 | Marex | mickeyl, it was never buried to start with |
22:45.08 | cb22 | Marex: dpends, i would call 100m pretty burried :p |
22:45.12 | mickeyl | i guess this depends on the point of view |
22:45.18 | mickeyl | if all core developers leave a project |
22:45.39 | Marex | which havent happened yet ... |
22:45.40 | mickeyl | i call it buried |
22:45.40 | mickeyl | your mileage may vary |
22:45.43 | mickeyl | hehe |
22:45.49 | mickeyl | oh right |
22:45.51 | mickeyl | i refrain from comments then |
22:46.03 | Marex | ok |
22:46.11 | Marex | btw there are devices that cant just run GPE |
22:46.23 | mickeyl | fair enough. i don't like gpe |
22:46.33 | mickeyl | never good really into it |
22:46.37 | mickeyl | that's why i was working on Opie |
22:46.42 | mickeyl | s/good/got/ |
22:46.47 | bluelightning | mickeyl: Opie is not dead, it's on life support... |
22:46.55 | mickeyl | bluelightning: heya |
22:46.58 | mickeyl | bluelightning: that's good |
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22:47.33 | mickeyl | how's opie2 doing? |
22:47.44 | Marex | opie2 is burried :D |
22:47.47 | mickeyl | hahaha |
22:47.57 | bluelightning | mickeyl: don't know... you'd have to ask ljp |
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22:48.20 | Marex | bluelightning, btw hi :) |
22:48.20 | mickeyl | poor application developers... all they want is an infrastructure they can develop on... but we linux guys must constantly refine and throw things away |
22:48.28 | bluelightning | Marex: hi :) |
22:48.45 | bluelightning | mickeyl: yeah, it's a problem :) |
22:48.54 | Marex | bluelightning, we need phone app for opie, you know that ? :) |
22:49.10 | mickeyl | summatusmentis: i will do a commenting round on SoC tomorrow right after breakfast |
22:49.17 | mickeyl | summatusmentis: monday ranking starts |
22:49.28 | bluelightning | Marex: yeah... we could do it easily by wrapping a reliable backend |
22:49.47 | cb22 | mickeyl: any idea on how many slots om is getting? |
22:49.53 | mickeyl | cb22: not the slightest idea, no |
22:50.04 | mickeyl | i will request 5 |
22:50.10 | mickeyl | and then lets cross fingers |
22:50.13 | Marex | bluelightning, like GSMd which is ... *cough* |
22:50.15 | Marex | :) |
22:50.16 | mickeyl | but it may well turn out to be 2 or 3 |
22:50.20 | Marex | at least for me that is |
22:50.32 | mickeyl | Marex: i would suggest gsmd2, but that uses dbus :D |
22:50.41 | mickeyl | oh and py-gsmd.... nah... dbus |
22:50.48 | Marex | and py-thon |
22:50.53 | cb22 | they dont want all the good people going to openmoko instead of android :p |
22:50.54 | univac | which is ok ;p |
22:50.57 | bluelightning | mickeyl: well, we'll need some dbus support in Opie to bring bluetooth up-to-date anyway |
22:51.21 | mickeyl | bluelightning: right. there's no escaping of it. dbus is ubiquitous now and not going away soon whether we like it or not |
22:51.31 | Marex | bluelightning, which reminds me about BT patches ... did you get somewhere with them ? |
22:53.09 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: I know ranking starts monday, which is why I want to make sure mine is as good as possible, I really want to work w/ OM this summer |
22:53.23 | bluelightning | Marex: I integrated some of them... the rest I still need to talk to you about |
22:53.38 | Marex | bluelightning, I forgot what I did there :D |
22:54.21 | mechstomp | random question: anyone know if the freerunner have usb host? |
22:54.26 | mickeyl | yes |
22:54.28 | mickeyl | it has |
22:54.29 | cb22 | mechstomp: yep |
22:54.34 | mechstomp | woo |
22:54.37 | mechstomp | thanks |
22:54.41 | cb22 | powered too |
22:54.43 | mickeyl | multiplexed on one usb slot though |
22:54.52 | bluelightning | Marex: we'd just have to go through them at some point when you have time |
22:55.11 | bluelightning | Marex: (we should move this to #opie) |
22:55.11 | mickeyl | summatusmentis: i know. right now there's 51 proposals though |
22:55.19 | Marex | bluelightning, sure |
22:55.34 | cb22 | and 3/4 slots, ouch |
22:56.17 | mickeyl | ok, back to 50. i just kicked one out |
22:56.18 | mickeyl | :D |
22:56.20 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: yeah, I assumed as much. (not getting expectations up) We'll see how it goes :) |
22:56.29 | mickeyl | that's the spirit, yep |
22:57.27 | cb22 | bluelightning: yeah, whats next, discussing gnome in #kde :p |
22:58.30 | cb22 | 50 proposals - makes you realize how small this irc channel is |
22:59.13 | cb22 | maybe 3 or 4 come from people in this channel? abraxa_ summatusmentis and Sup3rkiddo are the ones i know of |
22:59.39 | summatusmentis | cb22: that could work in our favor :) |
22:59.51 | bluelightning | cb22: ;p |
22:59.53 | summatusmentis | although, could also work against us, since they know us |
23:00.36 | cb22 | hehe indeed, that and how much you bribe them! |
23:01.28 | summatusmentis | I feel like international bribery doesn't work very well |
23:02.29 | cb22 | i suppose europe to american bribing is probably easier then the other waiy around |
23:02.48 | summatusmentis | yeah, they don't trust us here |
23:03.08 | cb22 | s/easier/more affordable/ |
23:03.17 | summatusmentis | well, there's that too :) |
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23:05.58 | cb22 | zjoin #moin-dev |
23:06.02 | cb22 | woops |
23:07.46 | summatusmentis | lol |
23:08.02 | cb22 | hey, im on a phone! |
23:08.15 | cb22 | z and / are the same key |
23:09.14 | mickeyl | you IRC from a Neo with Multitap? |
23:09.51 | summatusmentis | geez, I wish I had a phone that had a working net connection |
23:10.02 | summatusmentis | (roaming and all that don't work well in rural US) |
23:10.41 | cb22 | mickeyl: i wish, p990 |
23:11.02 | mickeyl | ah, that S/E smartphone? |
23:11.50 | cb22 | the one that randomly closes down apps, yep |
23:12.06 | mickeyl | does it save state? |
23:12.13 | cb22 | nope |
23:12.19 | mickeyl | ah, then it's broken |
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23:12.25 | mickeyl | i don't mind implicit app closing |
23:12.29 | mickeyl | when they save state |
23:12.34 | mickeyl | if, even |
23:12.34 | cb22 | indeed, has way to little memory |
23:12.54 | cb22 | cant have the web browser and another app open |
23:13.09 | mickeyl | bummer |
23:13.14 | mickeyl | how much RAM is that? |
23:13.44 | cb22 | 64mb ram, on start, 14mb is free |
23:14.07 | cb22 | not to mention it is _slow_ |
23:15.26 | cb22 | which is why i really want a freerunner |
23:15.39 | cb22 | tasty opensource goodness |
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23:20.05 | summatusmentis | cb22: are you in the US? |
23:20.25 | cb22 | summatusmentis: nope, ZA |
23:20.42 | cb22 | or south africa |
23:20.57 | summatusmentis | yeah, why is ZA is the abbreviation for South Africa? |
23:22.19 | cb22 | well, sa is saudia arabia afaik |
23:22.39 | cb22 | south africa is also RSA |
23:23.03 | CIA-41 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r142 10/trunk/software/py-odeviced/ (AUTHORS ChangeLog TODO): py-odeviced: add some files |
23:23.06 | summatusmentis | oh, I guess that makes sense |
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