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00:00.34mjr'course, with a local newspaper page it goes 26724->892 bytes...
00:00.44mjrbut that's rather pathological
00:01.03CViruswhy didn't the topic change to maybe due April 2009 ?
00:01.10CVirusas you guys usually do
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00:03.07anrpapril fools joke, maybe
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00:08.49cesarbmwester: My stuff isn't ready for integration (well, the part that's already finished is ready, but some important parts are still lacking, like usb, sd, and sound)
00:09.18cesarbmwester: otoh, it does nothing unless enabled by an echo to the right sysfs file, so it's not much of a problem...
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01:11.36summatusmentishi all :)
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05:15.10Hopscotchgood morning
05:19.07mbufHopscotch, good morning
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05:23.15KronkHowdy all :)
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06:15.45summatusmentisit's so late :/
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06:20.14joschah! early in the morning!
06:20.43joschhrm... quicksand is still not there
06:21.05Kronkmid afternoon here :)
06:21.25summatusmentisjosch: well, yes, I guess it is technically morning
06:21.34joschhehe
06:21.41joschit's morning everytime here ^^
06:21.53Kronklol
06:22.06summatusmentisgoodnight guys
06:23.42joschhehe
06:24.08Kronkcya
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06:28.17Linux_Galorephones shown at CITIA this year were pretty ho-hum
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06:41.17Linux_Galoreonly thin interesting is Windows mobile 6.2 should have a proper browser so web pages dont look like crap
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06:41.41Linux_Galoredue out later this year though
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07:16.31joschpff...
07:16.47joschrly NOBODY is awake in ANY channel I'm in...
07:16.54SpeedEvilis!
07:16.58josch\o/
07:17.04SpeedEvilplaces a pancake on joschs head.
07:17.17joschwohoo! pencake! ^^
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07:43.09doc|homemichael shiloh was supposed to be talking to someone called steve about a status update, anyone heard anything about that?
07:45.46CVirusnot me
07:46.00CVirusMichaelShiloh: any updates ?
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09:22.39ccflygood morning :)
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13:01.04netsurf3hmm chan has been dead all day it seems
13:03.28netsurf3eh?
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13:03.29cb22a big fat one
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13:08.04cb22and again...
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13:10.04wurp2|gonenetsurf3: whaddaya mean, day?  I just got up!
13:10.29netsurf32pm
13:10.33netsurf3here :P
13:11.22wurp2|goneyeah, I know.  It's not even a littel bit funny, but I'm still groggy
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13:14.32wurp2|gonehaving proved myself a groggy oaf, I'm off again.  Have a good afternoone!
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13:38.11cb22anyone here good with python and gtk?
13:41.39joschspecify *good*
13:42.03cb22josch: have you looked through settingsgiui?
13:42.07cb22settingsgui*
13:42.31joschcb22, it's hosted on my server :P
13:42.52cb22hehe, you code it?
13:43.01joschno
13:43.11joschit's kristian-m who wrote it
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13:44.50cb22ok, well, could you explain the difference: http://pastebin.com/m4fe2e454
13:45.14cb22or http://pastebin.com/m684f8da6 for a nicer coloured version
13:45.50cb22both work, and settings gui is much slower?
13:46.03cb22(it's waiting 500ms from what i gather)
13:47.24joschlol what does the youplay do there?
13:47.40cb22it starts :)
13:49.06joschkristian-m, customers!!
13:49.29cb22huh?
13:49.38cb22also, have a look at http://projects.openmoko.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/client/?root=youplay
13:50.11joschyeah i looked into it recently
13:50.47cb22that's from 40 seconds ago =) its just puzzling me, why does settings gui do so much?
13:50.54cb22<PROTECTED>
13:51.32josch??
13:53.06cb22josch: like, to start itself up, it uses gobject, threads, waiting, etc
13:53.10cb2215:53 < cb22> josch: like, to start itself up, it uses gobject, threads, waiting, etc
13:53.14cb22argh
13:53.16cb22stupid mouse
13:54.03josch^^
13:55.02joschyour two pastes look the same?
13:55.07joschwhats the point?
13:55.52cb22josch: i know, they are the same
13:56.00cb22look at the one under ### Me:
13:56.06cb22then compare to ## SettingsGUI:
13:56.28cb22why does settings gui do that extra stuff?
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14:01.12joschoh NOW i understand what you want to compare ^^
14:02.05joschhrm... all he has more is the threading isnt it?
14:02.27thomasgyeah, I also see no difference exepct the enabling of gtk-threading
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14:03.17cb22hmm, thought so
14:03.24cb22and the gobject.timeout?
14:03.53wurp2|gonesets up a timed or repeated event
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14:07.59joschthis timeout_add is to update the gui every 500ms
14:08.44ahvencan anyone tell what does /sys/devices/platform/s3c24xx-spi-gpio.1/spi0.0/state respond to in the newer builds?
14:08.50ahvenfrom http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Video_Player
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14:18.43cb22ahven: since you are in a video player mood, do you feel like trying out gstreamer for me :)?
14:19.01ahvensure, why not .9
14:19.46cb22thanks :) could you install gstreamer, gstreamer-ffmpeg
14:20.36joschomg
14:20.51joschcould it be that due to yestersays downtime some wiki edits got lost?
14:23.24ahvenhmmhmm
14:23.26ahvencb22:
14:23.28ahvenroot@om-gta01:~# opkg install gstreamer-ffmpeg
14:23.28ahvenNothing to be done
14:23.28ahvenAn error ocurred, return value: 4.
14:23.28ahvenCollected errors:
14:23.28ahvenCannot find package gstreamer-ffmpeg.
14:23.34ahvengstreamer is uptodate
14:23.47ahvendid update the repos at first
14:24.19cb22hmm, ok. do you still have nocabac.mkv on your neo?
14:25.35ahvenyep
14:25.58cb22try: gst-launch playbin uri=file://(insert path to file here)
14:27.57cb22and if that doesnt work, try opkg install gst-plugin-matroska gst-plugin-vorbis gst-plugin-playbin gst-plugin-h264parse
14:28.19ahvenERROR: from element /playbin0: Invalid URI "file:/nocabac.mkv".
14:28.25ahvensymlinked it to /
14:28.36cb22add in two more '/'
14:28.49cb22like uri=file:///nocabac.mkv
14:28.52ahvenok, missing plugins
14:29.16cb22ok, could you try installing those ones i mentioned above?
14:29.56ahvenroot@om-gta01:/media/card# gst-launch playbin uri=file:////nocabac.mkv
14:29.56ahvenSetting pipeline to PAUSED ...
14:29.56ahvenPipeline is PREROLLING ...
14:29.56ahven** Message: don't know how to handle video/x-h264, codec_data=(buffer)014d4033ffe10016674d40339a738508d080000003008000000f478c193c01000468ee3c80, width=(int)160, height=(int)128, pixel-aspect-ratio=(fraction)1/1, framerate=(fraction)500000000/33333333
14:29.57ahvenPipeline is PREROLLED ...
14:29.59ahvenSetting pipeline to PLAYING ...
14:30.01ahvenNew clock: GstAudioSinkClock
14:30.05ahvenexported DISPLAY to :0.0
14:30.16ahvenno video output
14:30.23cb22but sound?
14:30.25ahvenskippy audio only
14:31.04cb22maybe try install gst-plugins-ffmpeg
14:31.31cb22or gst-ffmpeg
14:33.32ahvenroot@om-gta01:/media/card# opkg search *ffmpeg*
14:33.32ahvengst-plugin-ffmpegcolorspace - 0.10.17-r2 - /usr/lib/gstreamer-0.10/libgstffmpegcolorspace.so
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14:35.44cb22:( oh well, there goes that idea. thanks for the help!
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14:43.28SpeedEvilponders http://online.vodafone.co.uk/dispatch/Portal/appmanager/vodafone/wrp?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=template04&pageID=MB_0001&WT_ref=INT-PSHOP-310108-Home-AbtVFAtHome-02
14:44.37cb22how much do you think you could buy that modem standalone for?
14:44.51cb22thinks of freerunner + hsdpa
14:45.00SpeedEvilcbrake_away: doesn't matter.
14:45.14cb22doesnt matter?
14:45.17SpeedEvilcb22: you can't - in the UK - get IP access without a modem.
14:45.46SpeedEvilAt least AFAIK
14:46.14zedstarbe interested to see a speed test on the uplink on these mobile broadband solutions
14:47.57zedstarthey tend to be very symmetrical
14:48.02cb22SpeedEvil: huh?
14:48.10cb22zedstar: are you missing an a?
14:48.18zedstaropps yeh a
14:48.55cb22SpeedEvil: n otherwords, i'd want to buy one of those sticks, then get a sim card here (south africa) and use it
14:49.10cb22but it looks like you can only get them with a contract :(
14:49.15SpeedEvilcb22: Well - not quite.
14:49.18zedstarno sim card though for this price
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14:49.50SpeedEvilcbrake_away: the 30 day contract is 99 quid for the modem (though not the little one) and 20 quid for the minimum months service
14:50.30SpeedEvilI don't know if you'd have to pay an unlock fee.
14:50.48zedstari find all the mobile plans limited for what i want to do....id wud like to listen to internet radio etc and im soon gonna hit their caps
14:51.24cb22SpeedEvil: maybe the best would be to find the dodgy factory in taiwan that makes them?>
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14:51.35SpeedEvilDoesn't say.
14:51.58SpeedEvilzedstar: yeah - the fundmental problem with that is that they've got limited capacity.
14:52.28zedstarspeedevil yeh i keep toying with the idea of a contract but it is frustrating locking myself into that crap
14:52.45zedstarthe reality is we are shafted
14:53.09cb22anyone know where to get a usb hsdpa modem for cheap?
14:53.11zedstarmaybe wimax might bring down some prices in competition if it takes off
14:53.32SpeedEvilI also have the problem that my credit score is negative infinity.
14:54.25SpeedEvilDue to ill health meaning I became unable to pay my credit card and got bank overdraft problems leading to termination of the account.
14:54.36SpeedEvilSo contracts are kind of hard to get.
14:55.16zedstarwell the prepaid options got better at least
14:55.40SpeedEvilyeah - 3 is offering 10 quid a month - effectively - with 65 quid modem
14:56.56zedstar10-15 pounds sounds reasonable
14:57.24mjrnope, nooo motivation to do networking code today
14:57.46SpeedEvilgets out the channel motivation whip.
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15:00.48zedstaryesterday i tried to get some inside info on trolltech - nokia aquisition but failed.... was curious to see if there was a plan
15:02.16SpeedEvilNobody  expects the Finnish aquisition!
15:02.39mjr:D
15:02.52cb22* facepalm
15:03.10zedstarwas kinda curious to see if it was an attempt to get gsm stack into maemo but i think not.....more likely that qt development for symbian coming
15:03.46mjrzedstar, that's the party line at least
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15:10.23zedstaru can do qt dev on windows ce apparently also...didnt know that
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15:22.05CVirusWould it be of any use for OpenMoko if I learned ARM assembly ?
15:22.19CVirusI'm learning MIPS assembly at school and thought of learning assembly for another architecture
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15:27.49SpeedEvilTo a very limited extent
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15:34.44CVirusSpeedEvil: I wonder why
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15:35.24SpeedEvilVery little coding is done in asm
15:36.49CVirushmm
15:37.16CVirusI wonder if assembly is useful in any way ?
15:37.17CVirus:-D
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15:40.11zedstarno harm doing it on an undergrad course tho as good way to get an understanding of computer architecture
15:41.11CViruswon't I be able to write a cool looking OS with assembly ?
15:41.12SpeedEvilYes.
15:41.14CViruslike minute OS ?
15:41.17SpeedEvilSure.
15:41.29SpeedEvilIt's just it typically takes longer than high level languages.
15:41.49SpeedEvilA knowledge of assembly can help with optimisation.
15:41.55cb22curses gtk.DrawingArea
15:41.57SpeedEvilBut that's a small part of it.
15:42.03CVirusMenuet OS*
15:42.19cb22CVirus: quick, go out there and make a h264 decoder thats 4  times quicker then anything out there for arm :)
15:42.21SpeedEvilTo really do ooptimisation, you need to understand the physical machine.
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15:43.17SpeedEvilFor example. What's the RAM latency? What's a cacheline? How many cachelines are there in the cache? How fast is a random access to an unaligned 32 bit quantity that's not in cache?
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15:43.59CVirussounds interesting
15:44.38cb22~lart SpeedEvil for knowing too much
15:44.38aptraises middle finger to SpeedEvil for knowing too much
15:44.44CVirusI wonder how much time did it take this guy http://www.menuetos.net/
15:45.10SpeedEvilAnd then there are the hideous problems of CPUs with more than one core.
15:46.35SpeedEvilThe neo CPU is actually dead simple as 'modern' loads go.
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15:47.00Blasturhttp://theregoesdave.com/2008/04/04/power-play-android-and-skype/
15:47.08SpeedEvilerr
15:47.10SpeedEvilmodern CPUs
15:50.48zedstarreading that article i dont get it.....what is the VOIP gonna go over?
15:51.29SpeedEvilRFC1149
15:52.52zedstarlol speedevil
15:52.58zedstari love that rfc
15:53.41CVirushehe
15:54.02zedstari saw ping implemented over carrier pigeon somewhere also
15:54.17Blasturwell
15:54.27Blasturthere are a lot of WLANs out there
15:54.59Blasturi think if android becomes skype exclusive, it will seriously affect which handset ppl will buy
15:55.31zedstarbut can already do skype over WLAN on phones not sure the big deal here?
15:56.32mwesterCVirus:  Learning more than one assembly language is an excellent way to understand some of the architectural differences between processors vs things all processors have in common -- but I suspect you'll find more in common between MIPS and ARM, so I'd suggest x86 instead.
15:57.59zedstarunless google start subsidising minutes for calls to landlines
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16:00.11CVirusmwester: I see
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16:04.06SpeedEvilI430
16:04.13SpeedEvilwonders if I've remembered that right.
16:04.16SpeedEvilThe OOP one.
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16:23.17joschlol Stephmw !
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16:58.05cb22where is the 'correct' place to store settigns on om? gconf?
16:58.25rohthink so
16:59.37cb22thanks, i also assume apps shouldnt take for granted that the screen will be 480x640?
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17:07.33mjrshould not
17:08.19mjrFirst, even on the neo it's rotateable. Second, hopefully other devices will come. Heck, FIC's other OM device, that navigator thingy, already has a different resolution...
17:09.00Stephmwcb22: how you deal with different resolutions is up to you though, iirc
17:09.15Stephmwcb22: placeholder layouts, layour managers, scalable UIs, etc
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18:52.09ScaredyCatit's....
18:52.14ScaredyCatoh so quiet....
18:52.18ScaredyCatshhhh ssshhh
18:52.22xcasex_btw
18:52.24cb22.
18:52.28xcasex_haiku-os is impressive.
18:52.28cb22moo
18:52.35cb22xcasex_: yeah, i agree
18:53.04xcasex_installed it onto a spare thinkpad i have, works alright for a pre-alpha os. about the same reliability as osx 10.0
18:53.07xcasex_i.e none
18:53.11xcasex_but impressive nonetheless
18:53.12xcasex_brb
18:53.43ScaredyCatlol
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18:57.21summatusmentismeh, screenshots don't look that exciting
18:57.52cb22hehe
18:58.04cb22http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/f95af325b69c7082e54c0d53ddd5f1ac.png is my favourite
18:58.25summatusmentisoh, no I meant screenshots of haiku-os
18:58.33summatusmentisI'm excited for OpenMoko :)
18:59.03summatusmentisand mickeyl is coming back soon :)
19:02.20ScaredyCatis he no longer snowed in?
19:02.26mwestermickeyl is probably signed up with some random nick, checking out who's lying in wait for him before he shows up. :p :D
19:04.59CVirusMichaelShiloh <---
19:05.37summatusmentismwester: :D I hope not, because then he's never coming back
19:09.50cb22summatusmentis: actually he is eating his perpetual dinner again
19:09.56cb22check back in 5 years
19:11.22summatusmentislol
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19:21.32mjrgo figure, I did manage to motivate myself enough to do a part of the receiving end of a diffing proxy...
19:22.14mjrwe'll see how tomorrow goes
19:22.14mjrthere's the uncomfortable matter that I almost certainly won't be productizing this thing
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19:48.30ScaredyCatshame mjr
19:53.21mechstompso does the openmoko work in the UK
19:53.29ScaredyCatyes
19:53.34mechstompand whens the freerunner out? i cant find a release date
19:53.36ScaredyCatthe neo does
19:53.36mechstompthank u btw
19:53.52ScaredyCatwe're waiting for hte announcement
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19:54.05ScaredyCatde in April, possibly later
19:54.07mechstompok, the moko site seemed like it was down earlier today
19:54.18mechstomphope its april
19:54.49ScaredyCatyeah, we're all waiting... :)
19:54.58mechstomp:D thanks for the info
19:55.06ScaredyCatnp
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20:19.06summatusmentisScaredyCat: there were two criteria listed before they released, do we know the status of those two criteria?
20:19.21summatusmentisthe DVT and the PVT
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20:21.20Cap_J_L_PicardNOTE: Unpacking /usr/src/moko/sources/trunk_svn.o-hand.com_.repos.eds-dbus_659_.tar.gz to /usr/src/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/eds-dbus-1.4.0+svnr659-r7/
20:21.23Cap_J_L_Picardtar: /usr/src/moko/sources/trunk_svn.o-hand.com_.repos.eds-dbus_659_.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory
20:21.45Cap_J_L_Picardanyone know where to grab the file?
20:22.00Cap_J_L_Picardand where to put it?
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20:24.50paul0which was the price of P1?
20:34.13ScaredyCatsummatusmentis: dunno...
20:34.32ScaredyCatCap_J_L_Picard: just uploaded them to my buildhost for you
20:34.34summatusmentisoh ok
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21:26.06cb22need.... freerunner... info...
21:26.31joschhehe
21:26.37josch!seen quicksand
21:26.39cdbot2quicksand (i=3f51a178@gateway/web/ajax/mibbit.com/x-07598142a380e9e8) was last seen quitting from #openmoko 1 day, 2 hours, 15 minutes ago stating ({"http://www.mibbit.com} ajax IRC Client\").
21:26.46joschhrm...
21:26.48wurp2|gonepaul0: $300 USD for the basic kit (no debug board)
21:26.59cb22on a sidenote, i finally figured out how to play video with pygtk and mplayer
21:27.03cb22retardedly easy
21:27.22wurp2|gonepygtk and *mplayer*?
21:27.33paul0wurp2|gone, thanks, i've found in the FAQ too ;)
21:27.37cb22python + gtk + mplayer
21:27.39wurp2|gonepaul0: np :-)
21:27.57wurp2|gonecb22: Weird, I didn't know mplayer had any kind of support for being embedded
21:28.08cb22wurp2|gone: its actually amazingly simple
21:28.11wurp2|goneUnless you're just using a gtk gui to kick off mplayer, which then takes over
21:28.16paul0wurp2|gone, do you know if neorunner will have 3G?
21:28.22wurp2|goneit will not
21:28.23paul0i mean, 3g support
21:28.27cb22you see all widgets have an xid
21:28.38abraxa_cb22: ...unless you actually want to *control* an embedded mplayer instance from the embedding app.
21:28.41cb22and mplayer can take over this xid if you use the -wid option
21:28.43wurp2|gonegprs & that other one, even slower
21:28.55cb22abraxa_: slave mode + -wid
21:29.03wurp2|gonecb22: Cool!
21:29.04abraxa_cb22: Slave mode freaking sucks, sorry
21:29.14wurp2|goneabraxa_: Is it just slow?
21:29.21cb22nope, its just crap
21:29.41wurp2|gonethat is not very informative :-(
21:29.55abraxa_wurp2|gone: What's slow? Slave mode? Or playback?
21:29.56cb22hehe, i dont know why it sucks, i hear it just does
21:30.11cb22try do things more advanced then normal playback / pausing
21:30.55cb22sweet, there are even python bindings for youtube!
21:31.13wurp2|goneabraxa_: I don't know.  I am trying to find out why you say slave mode sucks
21:32.35cb22you know one thing my youtube player is going to have that the iphone one doesnt? options :p
21:33.17wurp2|goneHas anyone tried the task list with a recent release?
21:33.24wurp2|goneBecause it doesn't even try to come up on mine
21:33.45cb22lets say you want to hear a song, and they have the music video on youtube... well, you could watch it through my normal transcoding server right, and get 35kbit/s video and 12kbit/s vorbis audio
21:34.10abraxa_wurp2|gone: One reason it sucks is that you can't even do simple OSD messages. You also *can* rotate the output so the video is displayed in landscape mode but the progress bar is rendered as if the video were in portrait mode. Hence, it's vertical. There's also zero granularity on which items you want to have shown with the progress bar and there is no way for you to find out what the current volume is. Tons of stuff that made me cringe wh
21:34.10abraxa_en I tried embedding it into the media player.
21:34.13cb22or you could click a magic button, and only the audio would be encoded. 40kb/s vorbis is pretty devent
21:34.49cb22abraxa_: meh :/ i dont suppose its been updated since then?
21:35.19cb22all that i've used of it so far is 'pause'
21:35.23wurp2|goneabraxa_: That's odd... some of that stuff seems like it would be easy to add
21:36.28abraxa_cb22: To be fair I haven't checked but reading the slave mode docs it seems that people just implement the stuff they need for their own projects - and I didn't feel like dealing with mplayer at the time and push these features upstream
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21:37.30wurp2|goneHas anyone tried video with gstreamer?
21:37.34abraxa_Just checked... you can now get volume
21:37.47cb22wurp2|gone: yeah, sortof
21:37.55abraxa_And yes, I did... it's so slow that I needed to resort to mplayer :)
21:38.08abraxa_gstreamer's video I/O is not optimized for ARM at all
21:38.16wurp2|goneok, good to know ;-)
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21:38.20cb22i dont suppose there is a screenshot of a neo xrandr'ed into horizontal mode at all?
21:38.27cb22or could someone upload one please?
21:38.40abraxa_Anything you want it to show in particular?
21:38.47wurp2|goneWhat app do you want to see in horizontal mode?
21:39.00wurp2|goneThey have all looked surprisingly (to me) good in horiz mode
21:39.08cb22just the main menu would be fine
21:39.13cb22or maybe the main menu and an app
21:39.16wurp2|gonesome are certainly not perfect, but more looked right than I expected
21:39.25wurp2|goneFlashing mine atm
21:39.42cb22btw, i'm thinking, wouldnt it make more sense to have the tabs on the left / right when in horiz mode? not sure if it does this atm
21:40.03wurp2|goneThe lack of ipkg fubared my post-flash script, and converting it to opkg is an abysmal failure so far
21:40.52cb22josch: you seen http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/56c51a65150850527556fe8c1811caea.png ?
21:41.16joschcb22, of course! Marcel_M posted it
21:41.34joschi now even have a *working* tar :-D
21:41.53cb22heh, why wasnt it working?
21:42.07joschdont know
21:42.12joschquicksand tried it out
21:42.16joschit didnt work for him
21:42.27joschbut i didnt test the tar i uploaded either
21:42.34joschand there was some little error in it
21:42.51joschand since i'm too much of a perfectionist i did a new build, tar'd and tested it
21:43.02joschnow it works for sure [tm]
21:47.14Cap_J_L_PicardScaredyCat: Thanks
21:47.25cb22ScaredyCat / thos: where could i find your simpler gtk theme?
21:50.07wurp2|gonecb22: You could install a ScaredyCat image...
21:50.19cb22wurp2|gone: on my qemu? :p
21:50.46cb22its fine though, found the bug for it :)
21:51.23wurp2|gonesure
21:51.36ScaredyCatcb22: there's a link to mine on my blog
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21:54.01joschcb22, you have no neo??
21:54.08cb22josch: nope :(
21:54.13joschomg!
21:54.15josch:-(
21:54.33cb22lol, why do you think i'm asking everyone for help :)
21:55.15joschcb22, hey you cant imagine how many questions you will have when you finally have a neo :P
21:55.32cb22s/neo/freerunner/ :p
21:55.45joschhrm kk
21:55.52joschstill prefers gta01 :P
21:56.47cb22so, anyone with a neo, python and mplayer feel like running a program?
21:57.09wurp2|gonejosch: has both?
21:57.16wurp2|gonecb22: sure
21:57.31wurp2|gonealthough mplayer doesn't really work on the 01 on recent releases
21:57.35wurp2|gones/really //
21:57.38joschwurp2|gone, no but i prefer the simplicity of framebuffer graphics oer the glamo in gta02
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21:58.20joschcb22, i would try it out if i were running openmoko ^^
21:58.31joschi suspect you have a ipkg?
21:58.47cb22not yet, still at the tarball stage :(
21:58.55joschoh then it's no problem
21:59.05joschi can apt-get install mplayer and see what it gives
21:59.08joschah wait
21:59.18joschstill compiling efl on it ^^
22:00.27cb22what is the best -vo? sdl?
22:02.48cb22ok, here are my simple install instructions: get http://cb22.za.net/videos/youplay.tbz and extract it somewhere. then fetch http://cb22.za.net/videos/nocabac.mkv and put it in /tmp
22:03.35cb22next, cd to where you extract it to, and run python youplayer. you will need python, and gtk and threading
22:03.48cb22josch: wait - are you actually compiling efl ON the neo?
22:03.53joschhehehhe
22:03.57abraxa_cb22: I used fbdev, even though that's not "proper"
22:04.09joschbut it works [tm]
22:04.50cb22abraxa_: hmmm, but could you embed it with -wid?
22:04.52wurp2|goneis there a different package I should be installing instead of gpsd?
22:05.15wurp2|gone'cause gpsd has been busted for a long time
22:05.35abraxa_cb22: I only used it in fullscreen mode - everything else required scaling which totally destroyed performance
22:06.55cb22abraxa_: yeah, i could imagine. although in the test ahven did, it can play back 160x128 scaled to 320x240
22:07.05abraxa_*coughs*
22:07.08cb22thats h264 and vorbis
22:07.27abraxa_Why scale 160x128 to 320x240 when you can play a 320x240 natively? :)
22:07.42abraxa_Well, I guess GPRS would be a reason but otherwise..
22:07.50cb22abraxa_: cause a 160x128 scaled to 320x240 looks better then a 320x240
22:08.08cb22and GPRS is not a reason, its THE reason
22:08.09abraxa_Euh?
22:08.19abraxa_Oh, I see what you mean
22:08.33abraxa_160x128 at higher bandwidth vs 320x240 with lower bandwidth
22:08.35cb22sorry, i muddled up that sentance
22:08.37cb22yeah
22:08.43cb22its a quater the size
22:08.48abraxa_Yeah
22:10.40cb22also, do you know how 320x240 mode (should) works?
22:13.22abraxa_It should work with xrandr by now
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22:13.48abraxa_Before, you'd need some "manual tweaking" via sysfs :)
22:14.35cb22hehe yeah, so when you resize, is it like changing the res on your screen?
22:14.45cb22or i read somewhere that it gives you the top left 320x240?
22:14.52abraxa_Nope, it's full-screen :)
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22:19.04wurp2|gonegotta go play D&D, later guys ;-)
22:19.19cb22cheers
22:19.29cb22i'm off to bed too, night everyone
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22:22.15Marexhi
22:22.23Marexanyone can help me with gsmd a bit ?
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22:23.28Marexmy device's modem doesnt like getting "\r"s as standalone writes
22:23.38Marexshall I patch atcmd.c or what ?
22:23.47thosgive up hope?
22:23.48thos:)
22:24.10MarexI got to point there I can dial using at commands
22:24.16MarexIm not giving up, damned :E~
22:24.33thosMarex, what device are you using?
22:24.33mickeyl\r\n is used to wake up the modem from sleep in AT mode
22:24.44mickeylsounds like this needs to be factored out into the device plugins
22:25.01mickeyl[not that it would matter when using the MUXer though...]
22:25.03Marexmickeyl, I dont mean \r\n
22:25.36MarexI mean eg. ATZ (gets written to tty) and \r (gets written to tty)
22:25.38Marexseparatelly
22:25.56Marexand since I have line discipline driver there, it causes problems
22:26.01mickeylwhere and how is \r getting written?
22:26.12mickeyls/how/why/
22:26.24Marexatcmd.c line 522
22:26.37Marexah ... no idea
22:26.53Marexevery AT command should be terminated with 'r
22:26.53ScaredyCatspies a rare creature .... the mickeyl !!
22:26.53mickeylheh, interesting.
22:26.55Marex\r
22:26.59Marexthat is correct
22:26.59mickeylhi ScaredyCat
22:27.10Marexbut it shouldnt be sent separatelly
22:27.11cb22zomg mickeyl!
22:27.13ScaredyCatescaped the snow mickeyl?
22:27.19cb22how was austria?
22:27.26cb22or australia :p
22:27.34Marexit probably doesnt make problems when there is no line discipline driver
22:27.43Marexbut with it it's troublesome
22:27.44mickeylMarex: interesting. if it's mandatory that it's getting written in one chunk it could be a bug.
22:28.02mickeylScaredyCat: yeah. it stopped snowing on friday... just in time for the ride back today
22:28.23ScaredyCatwe missed you :)
22:28.24mickeylcb22: yep, austria. cold, but nice. a week without connectivity is very relaxing
22:28.28mickeylScaredyCat: thanks :)
22:28.42Marexmickeyl, well the line discipline driver encapsulates it in format the modem accepts
22:29.38mickeylMarex: can you use +CMUX?
22:29.49mickeylperhaps it works in muxing mode
22:30.03cb22Marex: say, don't you own a h6300 :)
22:30.06Marexsure, there is some strange multiplexing going on
22:30.32Marexcb22, htc beetles - ericsson DB2011 gsm chip
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22:33.25thoscb22, what where you blaming me for?
22:33.35Marexmickeyl, hang on, gotta reboot
22:34.07cb22thos: world hunger
22:34.25thosah, rightio
22:34.37thosI did tell people opkg wouldn't cure world hunger
22:34.37cb22:p actually your customizationnized openmoko theme
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22:34.41thosbut no one was listening
22:35.10cb22yeah well, you had us with the omgponies part
22:39.42Marexmickeyl, so ... what about that +CMUX?
22:39.52mickeylMarex: you might want to try gsmd under the MUXer
22:40.04mickeylperhaps this runs better with your modem
22:40.12mickeylor give a shot at gsmd2 or pygmsd
22:40.23mickeylso many options *cough*
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22:41.11Marexor I can write my one phone app, hmmm :/
22:41.28mickeylyou could. but that's not advised. better help us getting one working gsmd ;)
22:41.33Marexsure
22:41.46mickeyli'm not sure whether any of the present approaches cuts it though
22:41.50Marexbtw under the muxer you mean dropping the kernel module and do the demuxing in gsmd ?
22:42.09mickeylhmm so you already have a kernel muxer?
22:42.14Marexyea
22:42.17mickeyli was referring to our userland muxer @ http://www.freesmartphone.org/sources/gsm0710muxd-0.9.0.tar.gz
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22:42.31summatusmentismickeyl: you're back! how was vacation?
22:42.51mickeylsummatusmentis: well, it wasn't a real vacation. i did work while the others were skiing
22:43.03Marexewww dbus ?
22:43.05mickeylit was a bit of a vacation thanks to high priced internet though
22:43.13mickeylMarex: yeah!
22:43.21summatusmentismickeyl: no skiing? lame
22:43.28mickeylindeed
22:43.29Marexmickeyl, ok, no interest
22:43.34Marex:)
22:43.45mickeylMarex: heh. old style unix hacker? ioctls are good enough for us?
22:44.00Marexmickeyl, yea, and opie doesnt like dbus much
22:44.04mickeylwell
22:44.05mickeylopie is dead
22:44.06Marexdont make me recall hacking on bluetooth
22:44.12Marexmickeyl, nah ... it isnt
22:44.13Marex:)
22:44.21mickeyli buried it. you dug it out again?
22:44.25mickeyl:D
22:44.29univac:>
22:44.33cb22undead opie
22:44.39summatusmentismickeyl: when you've got time, I'd appreciate it if you'd look at my updated SoC application
22:44.42Marexmickeyl, it was never buried to start with
22:45.08cb22Marex: dpends, i would call 100m pretty burried :p
22:45.12mickeyli guess this depends on the point of view
22:45.18mickeylif all core developers leave a project
22:45.39Marexwhich havent happened yet ...
22:45.40mickeyli call it buried
22:45.40mickeylyour mileage may vary
22:45.43mickeylhehe
22:45.49mickeyloh right
22:45.51mickeyli refrain from comments then
22:46.03Marexok
22:46.11Marexbtw there are devices that cant just run GPE
22:46.23mickeylfair enough. i don't like gpe
22:46.33mickeylnever good really into it
22:46.37mickeylthat's why i was working on Opie
22:46.42mickeyls/good/got/
22:46.47bluelightningmickeyl: Opie is not dead, it's on life support...
22:46.55mickeylbluelightning: heya
22:46.58mickeylbluelightning: that's good
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22:47.33mickeylhow's opie2 doing?
22:47.44Marexopie2 is burried :D
22:47.47mickeylhahaha
22:47.57bluelightningmickeyl: don't know... you'd have to ask ljp
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22:48.20Marexbluelightning, btw hi :)
22:48.20mickeylpoor application developers... all they want is an infrastructure they can develop on... but we linux guys must constantly refine and throw things away
22:48.28bluelightningMarex: hi :)
22:48.45bluelightningmickeyl: yeah, it's a problem :)
22:48.54Marexbluelightning, we need phone app for opie, you know that ? :)
22:49.10mickeylsummatusmentis: i will do a commenting round on SoC tomorrow right after breakfast
22:49.17mickeylsummatusmentis: monday ranking starts
22:49.28bluelightningMarex: yeah... we could do it easily by wrapping a reliable backend
22:49.47cb22mickeyl: any idea on how many slots om is getting?
22:49.53mickeylcb22: not the slightest idea, no
22:50.04mickeyli will request 5
22:50.10mickeyland then lets cross fingers
22:50.13Marexbluelightning, like GSMd which is ... *cough*
22:50.15Marex:)
22:50.16mickeylbut it may well turn out to be 2 or 3
22:50.20Marexat least for me that is
22:50.32mickeylMarex: i would suggest gsmd2, but that uses dbus :D
22:50.41mickeyloh and py-gsmd.... nah... dbus
22:50.48Marexand py-thon
22:50.53cb22they dont want all the good people going to openmoko instead of android :p
22:50.54univacwhich is ok ;p
22:50.57bluelightningmickeyl: well, we'll need some dbus support in Opie to bring bluetooth up-to-date anyway
22:51.21mickeylbluelightning: right. there's no escaping of it. dbus is ubiquitous now and not going away soon whether we like it or not
22:51.31Marexbluelightning, which reminds me about BT patches ... did you get somewhere with them ?
22:53.09summatusmentismickeyl: I know ranking starts monday, which is why I want to make sure mine is as good as possible, I really want to work w/ OM this summer
22:53.23bluelightningMarex: I integrated some of them... the rest I still need to talk to you about
22:53.38Marexbluelightning, I forgot what I did there :D
22:54.21mechstomprandom question: anyone know if the freerunner have usb host?
22:54.26mickeylyes
22:54.28mickeylit has
22:54.29cb22mechstomp: yep
22:54.34mechstompwoo
22:54.37mechstompthanks
22:54.41cb22powered too
22:54.43mickeylmultiplexed on one usb slot though
22:54.52bluelightningMarex: we'd just have to go through them at some point when you have time
22:55.11bluelightningMarex: (we should move this to #opie)
22:55.11mickeylsummatusmentis: i know. right now there's 51 proposals though
22:55.19Marexbluelightning, sure
22:55.34cb22and 3/4 slots, ouch
22:56.17mickeylok, back to 50. i just kicked one out
22:56.18mickeyl:D
22:56.20summatusmentismickeyl: yeah, I assumed as much. (not getting expectations up) We'll see how it goes :)
22:56.29mickeylthat's the spirit, yep
22:57.27cb22bluelightning: yeah, whats next, discussing gnome in #kde :p
22:58.30cb2250 proposals - makes you realize how small this irc channel is
22:59.13cb22maybe 3 or 4 come from people in this channel? abraxa_ summatusmentis and Sup3rkiddo are the ones i know of
22:59.39summatusmentiscb22: that could work in our favor :)
22:59.51bluelightningcb22: ;p
22:59.53summatusmentisalthough, could also work against us, since they know us
23:00.36cb22hehe indeed, that and how much you bribe them!
23:01.28summatusmentisI feel like international bribery doesn't work very well
23:02.29cb22i suppose europe to american bribing is probably easier then the other waiy around
23:02.48summatusmentisyeah, they don't trust us here
23:03.08cb22s/easier/more affordable/
23:03.17summatusmentiswell, there's that too :)
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23:06.02cb22woops
23:07.46summatusmentislol
23:08.02cb22hey, im on a phone!
23:08.15cb22z and / are the same key
23:09.14mickeylyou IRC from a Neo with Multitap?
23:09.51summatusmentisgeez, I wish I had a phone that had a working net connection
23:10.02summatusmentis(roaming and all that don't work well in rural US)
23:10.41cb22mickeyl: i wish, p990
23:11.02mickeylah, that S/E smartphone?
23:11.50cb22the one that randomly closes down apps, yep
23:12.06mickeyldoes it save state?
23:12.13cb22nope
23:12.19mickeylah, then it's broken
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23:12.25mickeyli don't mind implicit app closing
23:12.29mickeylwhen they save state
23:12.34mickeylif, even
23:12.34cb22indeed, has way to little memory
23:12.54cb22cant have the web browser and another app open
23:13.09mickeylbummer
23:13.14mickeylhow much RAM is that?
23:13.44cb2264mb ram, on start, 14mb is free
23:14.07cb22not to mention it is _slow_
23:15.26cb22which is why i really want a freerunner
23:15.39cb22tasty opensource goodness
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23:20.05summatusmentiscb22: are you in the US?
23:20.25cb22summatusmentis: nope, ZA
23:20.42cb22or south africa
23:20.57summatusmentisyeah, why is ZA is the abbreviation for South Africa?
23:22.19cb22well, sa is saudia arabia afaik
23:22.39cb22south africa is also RSA
23:23.03CIA-41freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r142 10/trunk/software/py-odeviced/ (AUTHORS ChangeLog TODO): py-odeviced: add some files
23:23.06summatusmentisoh, I guess that makes sense
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