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| 01:46.42 | pjz | anyone tried putting their Neo into a PDA case? |
| 01:47.10 | pjz | thinks the Case Logic PLT-2 looks like it might fit |
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| 03:15.46 | Psi | is there a reason bugzilla keeps emailing everyone on the mailing list? |
| 03:16.06 | Psi | well... on the devel list |
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| 06:28.27 | jitu3485 | I am using latest openmoko build environment ,does libgsmd API's are changed there |
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| 06:31.03 | jitu3485 | when building my code it is giving undefined reference to lgsm_passthrough,but i have included libgsmd.h |
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| 06:51.32 | SpeedEvil | For the neo! |
| 06:51.34 | SpeedEvil | http://www.cinsk.org/emacs/emacs-artist.html |
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| 06:53.58 | maroi | i want to see the circles *g* |
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| 07:01.54 | SpeedEvil | ponders http://www.amazon.co.uk/Targus-Bluetooth-Thumbpad-Smartphones-Pocket/dp/B000JJIWZM/ref=sr_1_11?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1207119678&sr=1-11 |
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| 07:27.38 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:28.10 | mbuf | Hopscotch, morning |
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| 08:15.41 | Frank101 | hello |
| 08:16.15 | Frank101 | I'm wondering how to extract serial number out of the transflash |
| 08:16.33 | Frank101 | anybody's got an idea ? |
| 08:16.54 | SpeedEvil | I don't think there is a standard serial number. |
| 08:17.11 | SpeedEvil | My limited reading indicates that there is only a 16 byte 'info' block |
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| 08:19.15 | SpeedEvil | Frank101: more to teh point - why? |
| 08:19.20 | SpeedEvil | Why not use IMSI? |
| 08:19.55 | SpeedEvil | jol: a decent soldering iron helps. And these are really cheap now. |
| 08:19.59 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 08:20.43 | Frank101 | I know just that memory cards have a serial_no like this xxx(producer)-xxx(product no) |
| 08:21.08 | SpeedEvil | I think the producer is simply a 2 byte code, as is product size |
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| 08:26.17 | Frank101 | good, so how do you read that information ? |
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| 08:34.32 | SpeedEvil | some bytes of it come out in the first lines of debug from the mmc driver |
| 08:34.48 | SpeedEvil | some are not printed, and you'd have to hack the driver to print them by default. |
| 08:36.54 | Frank101 | ok thx |
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| 09:05.23 | bambam | hi |
| 09:05.37 | bambam | i am having problems building openmoko-image or similiar, because of a lack of the package librsvg-native |
| 09:05.46 | bambam | any solutions for this? |
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| 09:16.37 | josch | hey, who wants to do a ooxml reader for openmoko? it's a *real* standard now isn't it? *cough* |
| 09:16.49 | mjr | smacks josch |
| 09:17.05 | josch | smacks ooxml and m$ |
| 09:17.36 | mjr | it may be an iso standard (pending possible appeal), but it seems the iso stamp is nowadays applied to whatever toilet paper |
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| 09:18.18 | josch | the most funny thing is |
| 09:18.31 | josch | that due to all the comments m$ has to redo its implementation of ooxml |
| 09:18.48 | josch | so that it confirms to this *standard* |
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| 09:23.17 | Tronic | mjr: It's scary how easily ISO could be bought. |
| 09:23.41 | Tronic | Dump a rather small pile of money on it and get a majority on anything you want. |
| 09:24.57 | Tronic | I also wonder if the Finnish government (ministries, in particular) is corrupt or just blatantly ignorant. |
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| 10:39.28 | CIA-16 | freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r128 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (10 files in 2 dirs): |
| 10:39.28 | CIA-16 | freesmartphone.org: Changed timeout handling |
| 10:39.28 | CIA-16 | freesmartphone.org: Implemented rest of sim interface's methods |
| 10:39.28 | CIA-16 | freesmartphone.org: Added tests to sim interface |
| 10:49.52 | ScaredyCat | !lastspoke xora |
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| 10:52.31 | ScaredyCat | ~seen xora |
| 10:52.34 | apt | xora <n=XorA@www.xora.org.uk> was last seen on IRC in channel #openmoko, 5d 4h 5m 25s ago, saying: 'jitu3485: you should probably paste the full failure log, but I dont think Ill have time to help, I leave for airport in a few minutes'. |
| 10:52.59 | ScaredyCat | wonders if the plane is still in the air! |
| 10:55.00 | abraxa__ | !seen xora|gone |
| 10:55.03 | cdbot2 | XorA|gone (n=XorA@www.xora.org.uk) was last seen parting #angstrom 2 days, 20 hours, 38 minutes ago stating "{{"Leaving"}}". |
| 10:55.07 | abraxa__ | ;3 |
| 11:00.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1316 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com |
| 11:00.02 | cdbot2 | * * openmoko-today becomes blank screen |
| 11:00.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1316 |
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| 11:18.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1317 has been created by scaredycat(AT)automated.it |
| 11:18.02 | cdbot2 | * * Tasks never show up as overdue. |
| 11:18.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1317 |
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| 11:43.01 | CIA-16 | freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r129 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (21 files in 3 dirs): gsmd2: Lots of refactoring and more to come... |
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| 12:01.02 | DPThought | btw. what exactly is gsmd2 or how is it different? |
| 12:02.04 | DPThought | not long ago the gsmd situation looked like a big show stopper. It seems to work now, but i don't know how good... :) |
| 12:05.03 | emdete | DPThought: and we have 3. |
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| 12:08.31 | DPThought | holy... That's opensource. Freedom of choice. :) |
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| 12:09.42 | bentob0x | anybody knows a channel where I could ask questions about mobiles and SMS etc? |
| 12:09.50 | bentob0x | for a LG phone |
| 12:09.52 | SpeedEvil | You can ask here. |
| 12:10.03 | SpeedEvil | We may poke fun at you if your questions are too silly. |
| 12:10.15 | bentob0x | I'm trying to get to manage the phone via my computer |
| 12:10.19 | SpeedEvil | But it seems quiet right now. |
| 12:10.19 | bentob0x | SMS especially |
| 12:10.29 | bentob0x | I had a look at bitpim but it doesn't seem to detect the phone |
| 12:10.30 | SpeedEvil | linux/win? |
| 12:10.32 | bentob0x | or to run it |
| 12:10.35 | bentob0x | I'm on linux |
| 12:10.49 | SpeedEvil | USB? |
| 12:10.58 | emdete | bentob0x: start with a simple terminal programm and use AT commands on a device to check |
| 12:11.12 | hepaajan | DPThought: gsmd2 started as our companys internal gsm daemon |
| 12:11.22 | bentob0x | yep, usb |
| 12:11.39 | emdete | bentob0x: watch syslog when plugin in to know the device name |
| 12:11.44 | SpeedEvil | bentob0x: does it lsusb as a serial conveter or whatever? |
| 12:11.45 | hepaajan | DPThought: Now it is being trasfered to use freesmartphone.org API |
| 12:11.49 | emdete | bentob0x: which model/vendor is it? |
| 12:12.04 | emdete | hepaajan: are you one of the developers? |
| 12:12.11 | hepaajan | emdete: yes |
| 12:12.34 | bentob0x | it's an LG Chocolate (KG800) |
| 12:13.27 | emdete | hepaajan: time for a short discussion? do you know me / my role? |
| 12:13.34 | DPThought | And which gsmd works best? *duck and runn* |
| 12:14.27 | emdete | DPThought: we will see. |
| 12:14.46 | bentob0x | got it to show up by plugging it |
| 12:14.54 | hepaajan | emdete: sure. I don't know very well |
| 12:14.57 | bentob0x | lsusb and /var/log/syslog are showing it |
| 12:15.36 | emdete | hepaajan: i am the developer of pygsmd and discussed the API with mickey alot. |
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| 12:15.50 | DPThought | bentob0x: so you have a tty device? Every thing else should be stright forward. All handsets use standard AT commands |
| 12:16.08 | hepaajan | emdete: ok, nice to meet you :) |
| 12:16.24 | emdete | hepaajan: there is one point where we i do not agree with mickey. |
| 12:16.36 | emdete | hepaajan: yes, same for me to meet you ;) |
| 12:17.00 | hepaajan | emdete: what is that? |
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| 12:17.43 | emdete | hepaajan: if you looked into pygsmd it does two things differently than the spec right now: it does use on (merged) interface instead of 3 or more (i will change that because mickey means it makes sense). |
| 12:17.56 | bentob0x | what commands should I use to retrieve the SMS in the phone? |
| 12:18.00 | bentob0x | in a text file for instance? |
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| 12:19.14 | hepaajan | emdete: where can I find pygsmd? |
| 12:19.17 | emdete | hepaajan: the other thing is that it does not use concrete method signatures but maps instead. this hast (in my view) lots of benefits: you may add fields at will without breaking existing apps, parameters have speaking names (instead of sense by order), you may have different types for one parameter |
| 12:19.23 | emdete | hepaajan: at linuxtogo |
| 12:19.36 | bentob0x | if anybody has a howto, that would be great :) |
| 12:20.23 | emdete | hepaajan: the last one if difficult to explain. i use the boolean type value false for fields that are not set as a NULL-type wich is not supported by d-bus. |
| 12:21.55 | emdete | hepaajan: it is for shure more complicate for a c developer to create a map type (dbus type a{sv}) but there a lot of advantages with that model |
| 12:22.01 | emdete | hepaajan: what do you think? |
| 12:22.28 | DPThought | will the gsm 07.10 muxing stuff be always one layer under gsmd or might it be integrated into it at some time? I think it is time we get gprs to work properly... |
| 12:22.48 | DPThought | i was a bit suporsed to see it coming out standallone |
| 12:22.51 | emdete | DPThought: why would one want to integrate both? |
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| 12:23.05 | DPThought | bentob0x: http://www.3gpp.org/ ;) |
| 12:23.18 | evilrox | 'morning :) |
| 12:23.21 | hepaajan | emdete: I'll have to look into it a bit more, I'm not quite sure what you mean yet |
| 12:23.27 | emdete | DPThought: the muxer will wander into the kernel |
| 12:23.29 | bentob0x | here is the /var/log/syslog for when I plugged my phone: http://pastebin.ca/967415 |
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| 12:25.26 | spyre | emdete: I brefer using concrete method signatures, but I'm biased since dbus glib bindings don't support a{sv} atm ;) |
| 12:25.32 | spyre | prefer |
| 12:25.38 | DPThought | emdete: my view of gsmd was always some kind of multiplexer. I thought if i need to talk to the modem i would need to ask gsmd for a handle. (Need no serial device. ppp can exec programms like it does with pppoe) |
| 12:25.43 | hepaajan | emdete: oh, you mean that each method has only one paramter which is a map (str -> somevalue)? |
| 12:26.09 | DPThought | bentob0x: looks like you have no driver. You need some usb to serial driver that works |
| 12:27.29 | DPThought | bentob0x: what you got there is oly usb mass storage stuff |
| 12:28.15 | bentob0x | hmm |
| 12:28.24 | bentob0x | and how can I install the drivers for the phone? |
| 12:28.25 | emdete | hepaajan: exact |
| 12:28.29 | bentob0x | (I'll check google, 2 sec) |
| 12:28.42 | emdete | DPThought: glib doesn't support that? how sad... |
| 12:28.59 | emdete | oh, that was for spyre |
| 12:29.21 | emdete | DPThought: what would it help if pppd execs a process? |
| 12:29.55 | DPThought | emdete: it could open some socket to gsmd which multipelxes it into i's serial connection |
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| 12:30.16 | emdete | DPThought: back to libgsmd... some socket? hm. |
| 12:30.45 | emdete | DPThought: no i would rather see a clean separation betwenn gsm0710 and others |
| 12:30.49 | DPThought | emdete: was just my idea how gprs would look with gsmd. Not a very educated guess only intuition. :) |
| 12:31.26 | hepaajan | emdete: I must say that I prefer using concrete signatures |
| 12:31.28 | emdete | DPThought: just check my muxer, play around a while with it. |
| 12:31.43 | emdete | hepaajan: sad to hear. so you are bound... :( |
| 12:31.44 | DPThought | i will. had no chance yet |
| 12:32.28 | emdete | DPThought: and it integrates fine: it uses plain old unix devices (u can use them with any terminal program like before) and dbus |
| 12:32.35 | DPThought | i like maps :) |
| 12:32.43 | hepaajan | emdete: I got to go now. talk to you later :) |
| 12:32.51 | emdete | hepaajan: i hope ;) |
| 12:32.53 | DPThought | my perl and soap bias... |
| 12:34.39 | emdete | soap? dont like soap. |
| 12:35.15 | bentob0x | ok, can't find anything about drivers for the KG800, anybody has an advice I could follow? |
| 12:35.27 | emdete | bentob0x: to a lsusb |
| 12:35.31 | emdete | s/to/do/ |
| 12:36.05 | bentob0x | lol |
| 12:36.16 | bentob0x | Bus 001 Device 019: ID 1004:6018 LG Electronics, Inc. |
| 12:36.21 | bentob0x | that's the device there |
| 12:36.32 | DPThought | emdete: i hate soap. But i like the way you can make interfaces |
| 12:36.56 | bentob0x | but as per what DPThought said after reading my pastebin, it seems that the drivers in use are only the ones that will recognise the phone as a mass storage thingy |
| 12:37.08 | bentob0x | doesn't seem to be the way to go for SMS just yet |
| 12:38.09 | emdete | bentob0x: try `modprobe usbserial vendor=0x1004 product=0x6018` |
| 12:39.01 | emdete | DPThought: i develop a prototype so i dont want to change the interface every time i invent a new field... |
| 12:40.13 | DPThought | emdete: i like that. |
| 12:40.51 | emdete | DPThought: what? to change the interface? |
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| 12:42.19 | bentob0x | got this emdete: FATAL: Error inserting usbserial (/lib/modules/2.6.22-14-generic/kernel/drivers/usb/serial/usbserial.ko): Operation not permitted |
| 12:42.29 | bentob0x | should I run it as root? |
| 12:42.34 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 12:42.34 | emdete | shure |
| 12:42.41 | bentob0x | k done |
| 12:42.41 | emdete | :D |
| 12:42.45 | bentob0x | :) |
| 12:42.54 | emdete | bentob0x: what does syslog say? |
| 12:43.21 | bentob0x | Apr 2 14:42:33 Palmtree kernel: [ 4505.690511] usbcore: registered new interface driver usbserial |
| 12:43.21 | bentob0x | Apr 2 14:42:33 Palmtree kernel: [ 4505.690742] /build/buildd/linux-source-2.6.22-2.6.22/drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial support registered for generic |
| 12:43.21 | bentob0x | Apr 2 14:42:33 Palmtree kernel: [ 4505.691140] usbcore: registered new interface driver usbserial_generic |
| 12:43.21 | bentob0x | Apr 2 14:42:33 Palmtree kernel: [ 4505.691149] /build/buildd/linux-source-2.6.22-2.6.22/drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial Driver core |
| 12:43.34 | bentob0x | I hope I'm not going to get kicked for spampasting |
| 12:43.35 | bentob0x | ^^ |
| 12:44.08 | DPThought | if all went well you will have a new tty in /dev/ |
| 12:44.46 | emdete | bentob0x: that's not enough. it did not grap your device... |
| 12:45.01 | emdete | bentob0x: can you unplug and plug the device again? |
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| 12:46.11 | SpeedEvil | lsusb -v will also tell you about teh device |
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| 12:46.44 | emdete | SpeedEvil: does it tell you the module & device somehow? |
| 12:47.09 | SpeedEvil | no - it tells you if there are one or more interfaces on the phone |
| 12:47.38 | DPThought | good point. |
| 12:47.50 | xcasex | ScaredyCat: ding ding |
| 12:47.51 | emdete | shure but i wanted to know if the module grabbed it and whats the devicename is |
| 12:48.17 | SpeedEvil | wonders where his suitable exmample device is. |
| 12:48.36 | SpeedEvil | Sure - what this tells you is if the device says 'I'm mass-storage only' |
| 12:48.49 | DPThought | true. Verry unlikey that the phone has no interface descriptor for some serial interface |
| 12:48.50 | SpeedEvil | Or 'I'm mass storage, and this other unspecified interface' |
| 12:49.20 | ScaredyCat | xcasex: dong dong |
| 12:50.42 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03werner * r4297 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-gta02.patch: |
| 12:50.42 | CIA-16 | openmoko: This reduces the time until the splash screen comes up by one second, so |
| 12:50.42 | CIA-16 | openmoko: it's now about 3.5s. |
| 12:50.42 | CIA-16 | openmoko: uboot-gta02.patch: |
| 12:50.42 | CIA-16 | openmoko: - board/neo1973/gta02/gta02.c (POWER_KEY_SECONDS): reduced from 2 to 1 second |
| 12:50.44 | SpeedEvil | for example |
| 12:50.46 | xcasex | ScaredyCat: see pm |
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| 12:50.49 | bentob0x | ok here is the new pastebin after unplug/plugging the device again: http://pastebin.ca/967439 |
| 12:50.50 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/lsusb |
| 12:51.02 | SpeedEvil | this shows the lsusb -v output from a soundcard with some buttons |
| 12:52.05 | SpeedEvil | Look at bInterfaceNumber |
| 12:52.15 | SpeedEvil | It has buttons, mic, speaker, all declared as seperate interfaces |
| 12:53.07 | DPThought | bentob0x: `grep -v uart:unknown /proc/tty/driver/serial` will show you all serial devices you have drivers for. |
| 12:53.32 | emdete | bentob0x: what is on that storage? can you do a `eject` on it? |
| 12:53.43 | bentob0x | serinfo:1.0 driver revision: |
| 12:53.43 | bentob0x | 0: uart:16550A port:000003F8 irq:4 tx:0 rx:0 |
| 12:53.43 | bentob0x | 1: uart:16550A port:000002F8 irq:3 tx:0 rx:0 |
| 12:53.45 | DPThought | SpeedEvil: do you think usbseral needs some pointers to the config descriptor? |
| 12:53.54 | SpeedEvil | I have no idea. |
| 12:54.20 | SpeedEvil | I was simply saying that you can inspect lsusb -v to see if it's technically possible to attach other than a mass-storage device to it. |
| 12:54.33 | SpeedEvil | Or if the phone needs - for example - switched into some other mode. |
| 12:54.39 | DPThought | bentob0x: i know, don't paste it. Was just a hint how you could measure success. (when you have three in the list. These are legacy decices) |
| 12:54.40 | bentob0x | yes the device is recognised and works as an external HD with the various images, videos etc on it |
| 12:54.40 | emdete | bentob0x: can you eject that device? |
| 12:54.56 | bentob0x | yep emdete |
| 12:55.11 | emdete | does lsusb say something else afterwords? |
| 12:55.21 | emdete | (i have a device that does so) |
| 12:55.22 | DPThought | bentob0x: pastebin your lsusb -v output please |
| 12:57.51 | bentob0x | here it is: http://pastebin.ca/967446 |
| 12:58.19 | DPThought | ok, usbserial really needs only idVendor and idProduct as params. So it is maybe just the wrong driver. AFIAK there are some usb serial drivers... |
| 12:59.37 | DPThought | aehm, you have ejected it. I't not in the list |
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| 13:00.07 | bentob0x | Bus 001 Device 027: ID 1004:6018 LG Electronics, Inc. |
| 13:00.21 | DPThought | oh, sorry |
| 13:00.24 | bentob0x | ;) |
| 13:00.29 | bentob0x | np |
| 13:01.00 | emdete | bentob0x: does eject do anything with it? best test the commandline eject tool |
| 13:01.15 | DPThought | that's funny. Only one Interface Descriptor and that is mass storage. And only one Configuration Descriptor |
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| 13:01.43 | DPThought | bentob0x: are you sure this phone supports tethering? |
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| 13:02.43 | DPThought | bentob0x: if you have bluetooth on your computer use this. will be less pain. (probably...) |
| 13:03.17 | bentob0x | hmm |
| 13:03.25 | bentob0x | no bluetooth key tho |
| 13:03.56 | bentob0x | going to try on the lappy |
| 13:04.02 | DPThought | as far as i know usb (and i read two books about it) there is no way this phone does something else than mass storage |
| 13:04.35 | bentob0x | ah |
| 13:04.41 | DPThought | very unusual |
| 13:04.42 | bentob0x | k I'll try bluetooth |
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| 13:11.36 | DPThought | bentob0x: seems like verizon thinks tethering is illegal or something. Maybe it was castrated by yur provider. I heard rumors about phones without tethering but i'm reading it just now. They exist. Crazy. |
| 13:12.15 | SpeedEvil | DPThought: it may simply require the phone software altered. |
| 13:12.32 | DPThought | tricky :) |
| 13:12.43 | SpeedEvil | I mean - press a button or click a menu item. |
| 13:13.26 | DPThought | the concept of such a castrated phone makes me wheap |
| 13:13.43 | DPThought | no wounder why people like linux phones |
| 13:14.54 | SpeedEvil | Linux phones and uncrippled phones are not the same set. |
| 13:15.44 | DPThought | most phones i have seen are crippled by ignorance of the vendor anyways |
| 13:18.48 | DPThought | phones are so bad that users feel liberated by something non free like the iphone |
| 13:18.52 | bentob0x | ok, here is the 'sudo lsusb -v' output for the bluetooth thing on my laptop: http://pastebin.ca/967467 |
| 13:19.15 | bentob0x | I can't wait for the first linux phones to be releases btw |
| 13:19.32 | bentob0x | I'm hanging in here with my old SonyEricsson T610 |
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| 13:19.50 | bentob0x | waiting for a leet handset |
| 13:20.49 | bentob0x | with mini-usb for a lovely mini-keyboard |
| 13:21.01 | bentob0x | so I can vim in the pub ^^ |
| 13:21.03 | DPThought | bentob0x: make your bluez fly and check sdptool search DUN |
| 13:21.18 | bentob0x | sdptool? |
| 13:21.43 | bentob0x | command? |
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| 13:22.07 | DPThought | bentob0x: just make it like described here but leave the gprs part out and run your sms proggy on the device http://www.teaparty.net/technotes/blue-gprs.html |
| 13:22.07 | bentob0x | it says 'inquiring ...' |
| 13:23.19 | DPThought | i guess most distros have wizzards for this or make it automaticly... Never really used bt on linux |
| 13:24.05 | DPThought | bentob0x: try citool scan first. Maybe the ednpoint is not called DUN. |
| 13:24.30 | bentob0x | it seem to have detected something |
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| 13:26.20 | DPThought | bentob0x: rfcomm will make you the tty. |
| 13:26.25 | DPThought | Need to work something now |
| 13:26.25 | bentob0x | here is the output: http://pastebin.ca/967470 |
| 13:27.29 | DPThought | great. you have a dun port that makes rfcomm. bind it and you are done |
| 13:27.44 | bentob0x | to get the SMS from the phone to the comp? |
| 13:28.13 | DPThought | bentob0x: use the at commands or check out a progrm that does this. freshmeat might have something |
| 13:28.29 | bentob0x | what you mean by bind it? |
| 13:29.08 | DPThought | http://www.developershome.com/sms/readSmsByAtCommands.asp |
| 13:29.22 | DPThought | bentob0x: read the doc i posted |
| 13:29.47 | bentob0x | ok will do, thx for your help DPThought, very appreciated |
| 13:30.47 | DPThought | yep, freshmeat has dozends |
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| 13:47.00 | bentob0x | ok, once the bind is done, how can I retrieve the SMS from my phone? |
| 13:47.05 | bentob0x | I mean, what command should I type? |
| 13:47.16 | bentob0x | to put them in a txt file for instance? |
| 13:49.36 | DPThought | as i sayd. freshmeat hat dozends of tools. And i posted you the needed at commands. Pleas show some initiative |
| 13:50.04 | bentob0x | sorry, didn't mean to be annoying :( |
| 13:50.14 | bentob0x | reading a bit more ... |
| 13:52.55 | summatusmentis | does anyone know anything about running OpenMoko on a zaurus |
| 13:52.56 | summatusmentis | ? |
| 13:56.18 | zedstar | not tried openmoko but tried poky on my zaurus |
| 13:56.58 | summatusmentis | zedstar: is poky more usable than Angstrom? |
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| 13:57.38 | zedstar | simmatusmentis: well.....it seemed fine....very nice look and feel i thought |
| 13:57.44 | summatusmentis | the reason I ask about OM is because it would then allow me to test OM on a real device, instead of needing to use qemu(way slow) |
| 13:58.39 | zedstar | yeh should be fine for prototyping stuff on |
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| 14:00.05 | zedstar | i didnt manage to get my wireless card working when i tried a while back tho |
| 14:00.16 | zedstar | but didnt try too hard |
| 14:00.22 | summatusmentis | how come? should just be kernel stuff |
| 14:01.14 | zedstar | well needs some edits of some files for wpa etc i didnt do it |
| 14:01.19 | zedstar | but it should worl |
| 14:01.20 | zedstar | k |
| 14:01.40 | zedstar | it recognised the wifi card tho |
| 14:02.00 | summatusmentis | oh, I see |
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| 14:02.29 | zedstar | i think i didnt have usbnet configured so had to edit via the device which i soon got fed up with |
| 14:02.37 | summatusmentis | is there a way to use a single OE env to build for two different machienes? |
| 14:03.18 | zedstar | well u have to edit local.conf etc not too sure...i built for a nokia n810 using my OM build stuff by just editing that |
| 14:03.38 | zedstar | there is support for poky i think also |
| 14:03.45 | summatusmentis | interesting, thanks |
| 14:03.53 | zedstar | the OE guys would know bout that |
| 14:04.03 | summatusmentis | yeah, I'll look into it more |
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| 14:33.24 | holycow | good morning from Vancouver |
| 14:33.26 | holycow | guys i was just thinking a bit about the moko and it struck me that its part of a new generation of devices that will slowly start to absorb functionality of a desktop |
| 14:33.29 | holycow | however that raises one question |
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| 14:33.35 | holycow | will we be able to encrypt the filesystem on the moko easily ... once a device is portable it will surely contain sensitive information. |
| 14:33.42 | holycow | ? even |
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| 14:35.02 | thos | uh |
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| 14:35.12 | thos | firstly, it's not called "the moko" |
| 14:35.42 | raster | the moko sees you! |
| 14:35.46 | thos | secondaly, i'm pretty sure you can encrypt any file you want with the correct tools |
| 14:36.07 | holycow | sure we can nitpick the details but we both know the general public will call it a moko |
| 14:36.08 | raster | bows before the moko and offers his first born |
| 14:36.09 | holycow | :) |
| 14:36.15 | thos | you don't need a file system to do that for you, unless you want to see performance go down the drain |
| 14:36.27 | thos | then will not call it a moko |
| 14:36.36 | holycow | secondarily, moko is a much better brand than free runner, your customers will simply name the device for you |
| 14:36.36 | thos | it's called the neo if anything like that |
| 14:36.44 | thos | it even says neo on the case |
| 14:36.48 | holycow | yeah well |
| 14:36.49 | holycow | you know |
| 14:36.55 | holycow | debian, redhat, suse |
| 14:36.58 | holycow | to the client its all linux |
| 14:37.06 | holycow | despite the fact linux is just a kernel and a tiny file |
| 14:37.11 | thos | I hardly see how that's the same issue |
| 14:37.12 | holycow | branding has nothing to do with logic |
| 14:37.19 | holycow | well you brought it up |
| 14:37.31 | raster | lt the market decide |
| 14:37.33 | holycow | i'm addressing it as it seems important to you |
| 14:37.34 | thos | the device is called "Neo FreeRunner", so logic dictates it could be shortened (incorrectly) to Neo |
| 14:37.39 | raster | and we'll just eventually fall in line with the market |
| 14:37.40 | raster | :) |
| 14:37.42 | thos | I fail to see how you get "moko" from "neo" |
| 14:37.46 | raster | (most likely) |
| 14:38.02 | holycow | i got moko because i'm a customer |
| 14:38.04 | holycow | i like moko |
| 14:38.07 | holycow | i like saying moko |
| 14:38.11 | holycow | i like the sound of moko |
| 14:38.16 | holycow | i like thinking of a moko device |
| 14:38.19 | raster | thos: i guss we just call it freerunner or gta02 ourselves :) |
| 14:38.21 | holycow | it defines a whole brand |
| 14:38.22 | raster | i tend to lean to gta02 |
| 14:38.23 | raster | :) |
| 14:38.29 | holycow | it defines a whole range of FREE devices |
| 14:38.33 | holycow | you can verb moko |
| 14:38.35 | holycow | for example: |
| 14:38.36 | raster | i can just imagine one day i'll b calling it the "moko 17" |
| 14:38.37 | raster | :) |
| 14:38.40 | holycow | have you been mokoed today? |
| 14:38.41 | thos | raster, yes, personall I use gta02 and gta01 to identify them :-) |
| 14:38.47 | holycow | so |
| 14:38.51 | thos | holycow, where on earth does moko come from? |
| 14:38.55 | raster | but hey - i'm not the marketing dept |
| 14:39.03 | raster | i just like coming up with catchy names for software |
| 14:39.04 | holycow | thos: lol your an engineer aren't you? |
| 14:39.04 | raster | :) |
| 14:39.05 | holycow | :) |
| 14:39.13 | holycow | please don't see that as a put down |
| 14:39.25 | thos | holycow, seriously, no one goes around saying "yes, I have Hat enterprise linux" |
| 14:39.29 | holycow | i've work for years in advertising, trust me when i say that you have gold in the work 'moko' |
| 14:39.33 | thos | they say RedHat or RHEL |
| 14:40.00 | thos | holycow, even when it was called "Neo1973" people called it "Neo" |
| 14:40.02 | holycow | actually they don't even say that |
| 14:40.06 | holycow | they say i run linux |
| 14:40.11 | raster | holycow: i might agree - moko is short for "openmoko" |
| 14:40.18 | raster | ie the company that produces the product |
| 14:40.26 | holycow | i don't care what you want me to call it |
| 14:40.29 | holycow | i'm calling it a moko |
| 14:40.30 | raster | as openmoko doesnt have any other actual products of its own other than a phone |
| 14:40.31 | holycow | :) |
| 14:40.40 | raster | it makes sense that moko may come to be a prevelant term |
| 14:40.46 | holycow | you can name it anything you want, it will always be a moko to me |
| 14:40.51 | raster | as open is just "redundant" info |
| 14:40.51 | thos | haha |
| 14:41.12 | thos | holycow, ok, and when openmoko expands with more devices, you can call all of them "moko" too |
| 14:41.17 | raster | i would be perfectly happy calling the freerunner the "moko 2" |
| 14:41.18 | raster | :) |
| 14:41.21 | holycow | if you don't see the power of the word moko ... i think you are missing a great opportunity here :) |
| 14:41.22 | raster | but hey |
| 14:41.24 | raster | that's just me |
| 14:41.25 | raster | :) |
| 14:41.32 | Zmx | thos: yes, I have a "nokia" ... |
| 14:41.40 | Zmx | not a 6600 or a n95 |
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| 14:41.43 | raster | holycow: just think.moko mans "booger" in spanish. |
| 14:41.45 | Zmx | just a "nokia" |
| 14:41.48 | holycow | moko is such a nice friendly round word |
| 14:41.51 | holycow | it can be verbed |
| 14:41.51 | raster | how can u go wrong! |
| 14:41.58 | thos | Zmx, right, but then they will ask you to specify |
| 14:42.04 | holycow | raster: haha! really? |
| 14:42.07 | holycow | funny |
| 14:42.33 | holycow | of course i'm only thinkingin english terms, perhaps freerunner avoids the whole 'booger issue' |
| 14:42.34 | holycow | hehe |
| 14:43.03 | holycow | anyway so right right, its a linux device, we can use regular tools to encrypt the home directory for each user then |
| 14:43.13 | raster | holycow: yes |
| 14:43.17 | edistar_ | holycow: atm there is only user root |
| 14:43.19 | thos | holycow, perhaps if you said "moko freerunner" I wouldn't mind, but the fact is "moko" produce more than just one device, and more than just hardware |
| 14:43.34 | thos | holycow, so it's hardly easy for anyone to know what you mean by just "moko" |
| 14:43.37 | raster | holycow: then again a booger, if you have a nasty cold, could be a freerunner too without a hankie |
| 14:43.38 | raster | :) |
| 14:43.47 | holycow | thos: aha then we are speaking the same thing :) |
| 14:44.04 | holycow | right i haven't seen other moko devices except the mapping one thta isnt' available in canada yet *nod* right |
| 14:44.05 | thos | holycow, when I say "OpenMoko" I normally mean the software side of things |
| 14:44.18 | holycow | true |
| 14:44.25 | raster | thos: we do? i wouldn't count dash, and gta01 is really just a prototype... :) |
| 14:44.37 | thos | raster, oh but there will be, right ;-) |
| 14:44.40 | holycow | one of the weird things with branding is that you can accidentally brand a device |
| 14:44.45 | raster | thos: i damn well hope so! |
| 14:44.50 | thos | raster, maybe I have an illusion due to having SO MANY protos ;-) |
| 14:44.59 | raster | thos: tho i'd be happy calling them the "moko 2" "moko 3" etc... |
| 14:45.00 | raster | :) |
| 14:45.03 | holycow | those of us looking to buy one have paid so much attention to it that it has become a moko alrady in a sense |
| 14:45.27 | thos | raster, pfft, version numbers suck |
| 14:45.36 | holycow | i think moko covering all sorts of devices is fine |
| 14:45.38 | holycow | it slike apple |
| 14:45.48 | thos | raster, gnome already learnt that, they've got stuck on 2.x now |
| 14:45.49 | holycow | you say you got a mac, it pretty well covers their entire line of products |
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| 14:46.08 | holycow | i would rename freerunner to freedom my self |
| 14:46.23 | holycow | moko freedom |
| 14:46.26 | thos | holycow, just be thankful it's not still "Neo1973" ;-) |
| 14:46.30 | holycow | hehe |
| 14:46.31 | holycow | :) |
| 14:47.30 | holycow | zis is true! |
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| 14:50.32 | zedstar | how can Moko be verbed and not Neo? |
| 14:50.41 | holycow | try it |
| 14:50.47 | thos | YOU'VE BEEN NEOD! |
| 14:50.54 | zedstar | sounds just as good to me |
| 14:50.57 | holycow | zing! |
| 14:51.06 | holycow | whats a neod? |
| 14:51.27 | thos | it's a systeam deamon for the neo |
| 14:51.28 | holycow | :) |
| 14:51.35 | holycow | zing! |
| 14:51.39 | summatusmentis | beat me to it tholin |
| 14:51.42 | summatusmentis | thos** |
| 14:51.55 | holycow | for example i can go |
| 14:52.00 | holycow | hallo my moko monkeys! |
| 14:52.04 | thos | Don't worry, I was just neoing you |
| 14:52.05 | holycow | got a moko? |
| 14:52.08 | holycow | can i have a moko? |
| 14:52.13 | holycow | how is your moko today? |
| 14:52.20 | thos | that's not a verb! |
| 14:52.27 | zedstar | and why not replace Neo in that is the same! |
| 14:52.30 | holycow | true but you really can run with it |
| 14:52.53 | thos | but interestingly, moko is a verb anyway |
| 14:53.13 | zedstar | in english? |
| 14:53.14 | raster | moko's on thos |
| 14:53.19 | holycow | see? |
| 14:53.23 | holycow | :) |
| 14:53.33 | josch | raster likes it - you have to like it |
| 14:53.44 | thos | zedstar, well know |
| 14:53.52 | josch | i learned that while using e ^^ |
| 14:54.08 | raster | que putaria! |
| 14:54.14 | josch | hehe |
| 14:54.31 | raster | josch: hahahahahahah |
| 14:54.40 | DPThought | i like neo1973 as a name. And i like OpenMoKo with the capital K :) |
| 14:55.05 | josch | i like oPenmoko with the capital P |
| 14:55.11 | summatusmentis | raster: are you mentoring? |
| 14:55.17 | thos | zedstar, iirc, moko means talk in some eastern language |
| 14:55.44 | summatusmentis | also means booger in spanish(moco) |
| 14:55.53 | holycow | don't overanalyze it tho |
| 14:56.08 | holycow | the marketplace takes all things and simplifies them to the lowest simplest idea |
| 14:56.15 | raster | summatusmentis: por openmoko? |
| 14:56.18 | DPThought | [Mo]bile [Ko]mmunikation |
| 14:56.24 | holycow | neo1973 is just too many numbers (ie more than one) |
| 14:56.34 | DPThought | it's nerdy |
| 14:56.35 | holycow | openmoko is a good name but no one cares for open |
| 14:56.39 | DPThought | and its a nerdy phone |
| 14:56.40 | thos | holycow, like the Nokia 6300? ;-) |
| 14:56.51 | holycow | even when talking to fellow nerds i will say 'hey check out my moko' |
| 14:56.57 | holycow | which sounds tacky |
| 14:57.00 | holycow | lol |
| 14:57.08 | holycow | thos hehe :) |
| 14:57.15 | thos | you should say neo, obviously |
| 14:57.20 | thos | "check out my neo" |
| 14:57.21 | holycow | blackberry is a pretty good example |
| 14:57.32 | holycow | neo just isn't a nice round word |
| 14:57.45 | holycow | in english the 'eee' has a squeezed feeling |
| 14:57.48 | holycow | neeeeeeeooooh |
| 14:57.59 | summatusmentis | raster: lol, you quiero alguien, quien es un mentor, para leer mi papel sobre mi proyecto |
| 14:58.05 | holycow | moko doesn't have that weird eee sound in it |
| 14:58.19 | holycow | although i cant do anything about it meaning 'booger' in spanish |
| 14:58.27 | thos | super duper commit comming |
| 14:58.28 | Tuju | crackberry |
| 14:58.30 | thos | brace yourself |
| 14:58.42 | zedstar | moko sounds japanese to me neo sounds american to me |
| 14:58.46 | DPThought | I mean i also don't say WLAN or wifi but rather IEEE 802.11 and IEEE 1394 and so on. (Ok, not really. But sometimes) |
| 14:58.54 | holycow | moko sounds japanese to me too |
| 14:59.07 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4298 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (ChangeLog src/sms-notes.c): |
| 14:59.07 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 2008-04-02 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com> |
| 14:59.07 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * src/sms-notes.c: Connect "Save Contact" button to moko-save-number. |
| 14:59.10 | thos | wooo! |
| 14:59.12 | summatusmentis | isn't IEEE 1394 firewire? |
| 14:59.23 | thos | summatusmentis, yes |
| 14:59.26 | DPThought | blackberry sounds lame like web2.0 name shit |
| 14:59.56 | raster | summatusmentis: aah espanõl |
| 15:00.08 | summatusmentis | raster: haha, sorry |
| 15:00.43 | summatusmentis | raster: no, i was just wondering if you could provide some insight as to what type of applications(if you're a mentor) you thought might get accepted |
| 15:00.54 | DPThought | i like bad acronymes. At best recursive |
| 15:01.09 | summatusmentis | I'm obsessing about this, and it's not healthy :) |
| 15:01.20 | raster | summatusmentis: eu não sais :) (eu falo de portugues) as persoas não falou comigo :) |
| 15:02.00 | raster | (oh - i understood. i was just in portuguese mode) |
| 15:02.16 | raster | no one has asked me about mentor stuff etc. - so don't look at me |
| 15:02.16 | raster | :) |
| 15:02.23 | summatusmentis | portugese? who speaks portugese? |
| 15:02.25 | bentob0x | ok, I tried wammu and kmobiletools and none of them detect the phone |
| 15:02.31 | bentob0x | I need a cigarette ... |
| 15:02.34 | summatusmentis | oh, ok, I thought someone earlier had said you were a mentor, maybe not |
| 15:02.49 | summatusmentis | while(earlier == 3+ days ago) |
| 15:02.58 | raster | summatusmentis: i don't, but i'm in brazil right now, so it's kind of a necessity. got enough of it under my wing in the last 3 weeks to make basic conversation and get around etc. |
| 15:03.10 | summatusmentis | oh, that's cool |
| 15:03.10 | raster | if i'm a mentor.. it's news to me |
| 15:03.13 | summatusmentis | lol |
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| 15:04.05 | raster | man portuguese is sooooo easy to learn |
| 15:04.20 | raster | i don't think i've picked up a languge this quickly before |
| 15:04.28 | summatusmentis | what other languages do you know? |
| 15:04.33 | raster | give me 1 year in brzil and i'd probably be fluent |
| 15:05.09 | summatusmentis | wants a job where he gets to travel all over the place |
| 15:05.12 | DPThought | bentob0x: I think you only need to direct them to the tty device you made with rfcomm |
| 15:05.18 | raster | hmm english, grman, japanese, french, a little spanish, studied latin, and i know a small smattering of chinese |
| 15:05.30 | zedstar | air hostess? |
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| 15:05.40 | summatusmentis | zedstar: no, computer related job :) |
| 15:05.50 | raster | zedstar: would need a boob job for that. :) |
| 15:06.05 | zedstar | yeh i thought he might look good in a dress ;) |
| 15:06.13 | summatusmentis | raster: kudos, I speak english, spanish, small amounts of french, latin, and maybe some basic german |
| 15:06.39 | DPThought | chines is totally nerdy. If there would not be these letters. And the tonation is dificult too. But grammar is great. |
| 15:07.04 | josch | summatusmentis, wohoo! try your germen! |
| 15:07.19 | summatusmentis | josch: I literally took one semester of german |
| 15:07.19 | raster | zedstar: ewwwww |
| 15:07.31 | raster | summatusmentis: nicely done :) |
| 15:07.44 | raster | DPThought: the tones are a bitch |
| 15:07.54 | raster | DPThought: but portuguse is just so... guessable |
| 15:08.05 | raster | i can read maybe 30-50% of everything i see |
| 15:08.12 | raster | ben here 3 weeks |
| 15:08.23 | DPThought | raster: heard so too |
| 15:08.41 | raster | listening is hard as they speak fast andmumble |
| 15:08.58 | summatusmentis | josch: ich spreche nicht deutsch |
| 15:09.07 | raster | ich spreche kein deutsch |
| 15:09.12 | summatusmentis | see? |
| 15:09.14 | raster | (better) |
| 15:09.21 | DPThought | german has no practical value. I'm always amazed that people actually learn it. :) |
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| 15:09.52 | josch | summatusmentis, raster *clap* *clap* wohoo! |
| 15:10.16 | raster | DPThought: its perfectly practical - if u ever have to do business with germans - i.e. u want to sell something TO them. u'd be well off leaning german |
| 15:10.17 | raster | :) |
| 15:10.17 | DPThought | it's too hard and i don't think reading classical lyrics is rewarding enough :) |
| 15:10.18 | summatusmentis | raster: see, that doesn't make sense to my english mind. In english it's "I don't" and seemingly in german its "I speak none" |
| 15:10.29 | raster | and german is not hard |
| 15:10.34 | raster | its one of the easier languages |
| 15:10.39 | raster | learn the rules (not many) |
| 15:10.41 | raster | and follow them |
| 15:10.58 | raster | its probably one of the most regular languagese around in europe |
| 15:11.00 | DPThought | raster: almost every german speaks english. And those who tell yiu they don't liy |
| 15:11.01 | wurp2 | raster: Are you including strong nouns in that description? |
| 15:11.03 | josch | lol not many rules? :P |
| 15:11.03 | raster | very few excaptions |
| 15:11.10 | josch | *few* exceptions?? |
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| 15:11.21 | raster | josch: compared to english |
| 15:11.22 | raster | :) |
| 15:11.37 | wurp2 | Declining is something we almost don't do at all in English, so it doesn't stick very well for us w/o practice |
| 15:11.40 | raster | wurp2: i include everything :) |
| 15:11.40 | josch | maybe i need too little english for this comparison ^^ |
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| 15:12.03 | josch | okay off now - bye! |
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| 15:13.17 | raster | wurp2: maybe i just am twisted as i learnt latin and french too so declination is all fine by me |
| 15:13.18 | raster | :) |
| 15:13.52 | wurp2 | I took some latin before I took my German, so I was exposed to it too |
| 15:13.53 | DPThought | na dann ;) |
| 15:14.40 | wurp2 | but it's still a PITA |
| 15:14.53 | wurp2 | in latin at least it allows you to rearrange word order |
| 15:14.54 | raster | not really |
| 15:15.00 | raster | but as i said |
| 15:15.08 | wurp2 | I can't tell that declintion has any benefit in German |
| 15:15.09 | raster | i see declination in all european languages |
| 15:15.16 | raster | just grman shows it the most of modern languages |
| 15:15.18 | wurp2 | Not in Spanish |
| 15:15.19 | raster | english has it |
| 15:15.23 | wurp2 | only pronouns |
| 15:15.35 | raster | all of them have it to one amount or another |
| 15:15.37 | raster | it may not be visible |
| 15:15.39 | raster | but its there |
| 15:16.25 | wurp2 | There is no place afaik where either Spanish or English decline nouns |
| 15:16.44 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4299 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (ChangeLog src/Makefile.am src/test-notes.c): |
| 15:16.44 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 2008-04-02 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com> |
| 15:16.44 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * src/Makefile.am: |
| 15:16.44 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * src/test-notes.c: |
| 15:16.44 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Add a small test program to add notes to the system |
| 15:17.14 | wurp2 | I will shut up now as this is not a grammar channel :-) |
| 15:17.25 | raster | wurp2: they dont visible do it, but a noun will be accusative when tis the object of the sentence |
| 15:17.32 | raster | it isnt written differently |
| 15:17.41 | raster | but it still is accusative |
| 15:17.43 | raster | :) |
| 15:18.02 | raster | it's a shame u dont learn this stuff in english classes anymore as a native speaker |
| 15:18.04 | raster | :( |
| 15:19.03 | emdete | hi raster, anything new about e & gta02? |
| 15:19.29 | raster | emdete: working on illume - added a virtual keyboard |
| 15:19.39 | raster | need to slicken it up now |
| 15:19.44 | thos | emdete, it's sloooooow :-) |
| 15:19.49 | bentob0x | when I choose rfcomm0 in the application, what connection type should I use DPThought? |
| 15:20.03 | emdete | thos: i asked for anything new ;) |
| 15:20.27 | thos | emdete, aaah |
| 15:20.36 | bentob0x | there is at19200, fbus, ira.., bluephonet, ... etc |
| 15:20.36 | emdete | raster: anything on driver development? |
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| 15:21.16 | raster | thos: almost as slow as matchbox + today + gtk :) |
| 15:21.25 | thos | raster, slooower |
| 15:23.21 | summatusmentis | raster: does the virtual keyboard work w/ fingers? |
| 15:24.37 | summatusmentis | (in that it doens't need a stylus) |
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| 15:28.01 | jadams_ | omg |
| 15:28.05 | jadams_ | I was trying to read the backlog |
| 15:28.21 | jadams_ | and there's like an eight hour long retarded conversation about 'moko' and branding names in general |
| 15:28.32 | jadams_ | (and so I thought I'd revive it? meh, shame on me) |
| 15:28.45 | thos | why was it retaded? |
| 15:28.56 | thos | I quite enjoyed that discussion |
| 15:29.31 | jadams_ | maybe it had a different feel in realtime then |
| 15:29.34 | jadams_ | :) |
| 15:29.39 | raster | not currently |
| 15:29.42 | raster | going to fix that next |
| 15:30.01 | thos | raster, too slow, he already left |
| 15:30.26 | letot1 | anyone here with a ppc64 running linux? |
| 15:30.37 | bentob0x | what chmod should be on /dev/rfcomm0? |
| 15:31.49 | raster | thos: whats slow with illume? |
| 15:32.15 | raster | (other than the launcher scrolly thing and thats thanks to me not limiting a background to have to scroll with contents only) |
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| 15:32.57 | summatusmentis | YAY HEAPS! |
| 15:35.00 | bentob0x | I give up, I'll try later |
| 15:35.18 | thos | raster, the launcher scrolly thing :-P |
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| 15:36.01 | thos | raster, also, it didn't handle virtual keyboards very well last time I tried. They went full screen, covering up the app they were meant to be used for |
| 15:39.17 | raster | thos: i dont plan on handling virtual kbd's |
| 15:39.22 | summatusmentis | raster: that video of illume was beautiful, kinda slow, but beautiful |
| 15:39.23 | raster | it doesnt handle them at all in any way |
| 15:39.28 | raster | a vkbd is just another window |
| 15:39.34 | raster | it has one built-in now |
| 15:40.06 | raster | and yes - the scrolly thing.. with xrender accelerated as well as the glamo is able and some engine tweaks it should be fine and i get the best of both worlds |
| 15:40.10 | raster | ok |
| 15:40.11 | raster | run |
| 15:40.14 | raster | amoco! |
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| 15:46.14 | CIA-16 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r130 10/trunk/software/pyneod/ (pygsmd.py pypppd.py pypwrd.py): |
| 15:46.14 | CIA-16 | freesmartphone.org: fixed internal names |
| 15:46.14 | CIA-16 | freesmartphone.org: fixed old names in dbus examples |
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| 15:53.37 | orospakr | What's the most recent u-boot that I should be using on my GTA01. I care about SD booting. |
| 15:54.55 | thos | raster, so basically, you can't use a custom input method with Illume? |
| 15:55.14 | thos | like, if you wanted extra accessibility or something |
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| 15:57.32 | thos | or you know, if you just preferred an alternative input method, whatever the latest craze is |
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| 16:01.57 | ScaredyCat | returns from meeting |
| 16:02.06 | anrp | enlightenment doesn't support xim? |
| 16:06.06 | bambam | has anyone in here lately build openmoko-image? |
| 16:06.29 | thos | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:06.41 | thos | just a few hours ago |
| 16:07.02 | bambam | for neo or an other device? |
| 16:07.17 | thos | for om-gta02 |
| 16:08.11 | zedstar | thos: r u going to "over the air" |
| 16:08.13 | bambam | hmm |
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| 16:08.47 | bambam | the problem is openmoko-icon-theme-standard2-qvga depends on librsvg-native which doesn't exist in oe |
| 16:09.14 | bambam | who set up this dep? |
| 16:10.00 | orospakr | Is today's GTA01 u-boot image likely to be good? |
| 16:11.11 | thos | zedstar, sorry? |
| 16:11.27 | thos | bambam, I removed the need for openmoko-icon-theme-standard2-qvga already |
| 16:11.32 | thos | bambam, that package is redundant |
| 16:12.16 | zedstar | thos: is 48hrs mobile hacking event at imperial college on friday |
| 16:12.47 | bambam | thos: so you aren't usin any theme? |
| 16:13.59 | wurp2 | orospakr: Do you have a debug board? |
| 16:14.13 | orospakr | wurp2, no, which is why I'm asking first. ;) |
| 16:14.36 | wurp2 | I can tell you which uboot I last updated with, but I doubt anyone in the room has burned the latest uboot |
| 16:15.02 | thos | zedstar, oh interesting |
| 16:15.13 | thos | bambam, openmoko-icon-theme-standard2 now includes the qvga icons |
| 16:15.21 | thos | "qvga" meaning the 22x22 icons |
| 16:15.43 | zedstar | thos: im going armed with sleeping bag me! not sure how good idea it would be to do the whole sleep over thing but depends on how pissed i get :) |
| 16:15.44 | thos | zedstar, details? |
| 16:15.51 | zedstar | thos: overtheair.org |
| 16:16.30 | bambam | thos: ok, then the bb-file "task-openmoko-ui" needs a update, because for all the moto-devices ths THEMES still on qvga |
| 16:16.48 | thos | bambam, i'm not an OE develeoper :-) |
| 16:17.05 | bambam | thos: thanks anyway |
| 16:17.16 | orospakr | wurp2, well, which one do you have, then? :) |
| 16:17.26 | thos | zedstar, aw, sold out :-( |
| 16:18.00 | zedstar | thos: at one point they had listed opendedhand as presenting there but no doesnt |
| 16:18.10 | zedstar | thos: u could get in if u put your name down as a speaker i bet |
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| 16:19.24 | wurp2 | ;-) |
| 16:19.35 | wurp2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:20.22 | orospakr | wurp2, thanks! |
| 16:20.31 | orospakr | about what time was that from? |
| 16:20.33 | anrp | the hash, it burns |
| 16:20.38 | anrp | oh, it burns |
| 16:20.39 | wurp2 | orospakr: you're welcome |
| 16:20.55 | wurp2 | orospakr: 2-3 weeks ago, I guess |
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| 16:21.13 | wurp2 | anrp: Yeah, that's what the ;-) was all about |
| 16:21.23 | thos | zedstar, did you see some guy is talking about openmoko on wednesday next week at UCL? |
| 16:21.57 | zedstar | thos: yeh i replied on mailing list i will come along |
| 16:22.26 | orospakr | wurp2, awesome. |
| 16:22.31 | thos | oh cool |
| 16:22.34 | thos | zedstar, which mailing list? |
| 16:22.40 | thos | I didn't see any replies |
| 16:22.43 | zedstar | thos: community i think |
| 16:23.10 | thos | oh, I guess you didn't reply-to-all |
| 16:23.19 | thos | that one gets filtered out from my inbox automatically ;-) |
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| 16:23.31 | zedstar | thos: ah lol ok yeh just hit reply |
| 16:24.13 | thos | zedstar, did you see marcus' presentation from fosdem? |
| 16:24.35 | zedstar | thos: ive seen the link yeh i will try and watch bit later.......good stuff he did |
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| 16:24.40 | thos | yeah |
| 16:24.52 | thos | anyway, time to get some food going |
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| 16:26.35 | orospakr | wurp2, it works! Whew! |
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| 16:27.43 | orospakr | weird, it proclaims "bad magic number" when I attempt to boot from SD. |
| 16:27.51 | orospakr | it's an ext3fs, with an ext3 partition type. |
| 16:28.47 | wurp2 | orospakr: congratulations :-) |
| 16:29.04 | wurp2 | (on the uboot working, not on the bad magic number) |
| 16:29.12 | wurp2 | I guess I gave you the right one after all |
| 16:29.15 | anrp | he needs more magic |
| 16:29.22 | anrp | waves his hands |
| 16:30.03 | wurp2 | j/k, btw - I was pretty darn sure that was the right one ;-) |
| 16:31.21 | orospakr | yeah! |
| 16:31.54 | orospakr | I have a feeling I didn't set up the card properly. I don't see how, though. Partition 0 is ext3, with the rootfs untarred in it. |
| 16:32.05 | orospakr | wurp2, have you booted from SD with that image? |
| 16:32.27 | wurp2 | nope :-( |
| 16:32.49 | wurp2 | I just install all my 3rd party stuff on the card |
| 16:32.50 | ScaredyCat | here a moko, there a moko and another openmoko, moko, moko, moko,moko,open moko, duck. |
| 16:32.56 | wurp2 | I still have 15% or so free on rootfs |
| 16:33.16 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: s/duck/goose/ |
| 16:33.40 | ScaredyCat | huh! |
| 16:33.43 | ScaredyCat | tis duck |
| 16:34.09 | wurp2 | I thought you were playing moko, moko, goose |
| 16:34.21 | ScaredyCat | llama llama duck |
| 16:34.34 | anrp | partition zero? |
| 16:34.41 | anrp | ... you formatted the whole disk as ext3? |
| 16:35.06 | ScaredyCat | wurp2: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/llama |
| 16:35.08 | SpeedEvil | You get 512 bytes extra that way. |
| 16:35.18 | anrp | and lose compatibility :\ |
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| 16:35.21 | wurp2 | I think there were problems for a while booting from SD :-( I didn't pay them any attention because I don't boot that way |
| 16:36.00 | wurp2 | 512 bytes =~ 1/4000000 of a 2 gig sim... |
| 16:36.13 | SpeedEvil | wasn't being real serious. |
| 16:36.23 | wurp2 | heh |
| 16:36.27 | orospakr | anrp, haha, no, I do have the disk label. |
| 16:36.31 | orospakr | parition 1, I guess I should say. |
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| 16:36.48 | anrp | well, it might make a difference ;S |
| 16:36.56 | anrp | does the kernel have built-in sd/mmc? |
| 16:37.07 | orospakr | it's not even loading the kernel. |
| 16:37.14 | anrp | er? |
| 16:37.15 | orospakr | u-boot itself prints that. |
| 16:37.19 | anrp | mmm |
| 16:37.49 | orospakr | "bad mbr sector signature 0x000000" |
| 16:38.00 | orospakr | something like that. it flashes up the screen pretty briefly. |
| 16:38.05 | anrp | uh oh, it's reading zeros D: |
| 16:38.12 | orospakr | seems like. |
| 16:38.18 | anrp | is it x86 partition table format? |
| 16:38.25 | orospakr | yeah. "msdos". |
| 16:38.34 | anrp | detects a parted user |
| 16:38.42 | orospakr | the one that came stock. maybe I should use parted to recreate the disk label. |
| 16:38.51 | orospakr | maaayyyybe :) |
| 16:39.00 | anrp | did you change the partition type? |
| 16:39.18 | orospakr | you mean the field in the partition table? to "ext3". |
| 16:39.28 | orospakr | which, if I recall, is 0x83 |
| 16:39.46 | anrp | that should be right.. |
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| 16:42.05 | anrp | is there some way to dump a sector from a disk with u-boot? |
| 16:42.15 | anrp | i'd try that next to see if it is really reading zeros |
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| 16:52.06 | orospakr | hmmm |
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| 16:53.30 | ScaredyCat | mmm .. so anyone used e17 ? |
| 16:57.55 | orospakr | ScaredyCat, I think raster might have. ;) |
| 16:58.30 | ScaredyCat | yeah, I know that... but he's not about.. |
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| 16:58.54 | orospakr | so yeah, I'm also seeing this: mmc_block_read: err SDIDSTA=0x00000024 |
| 16:59.13 | anrp | uh oh D: |
| 16:59.30 | orospakr | does that look familiar? :P |
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| 16:59.46 | orospakr | notes this is the SD card that FIC shipped to him along with the GTA01. |
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| 17:01.52 | anrp | i've no idea :\ |
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| 17:03.03 | SpeedEvil | Firstly. Take out the SD card, and put it back in. |
| 17:03.09 | SpeedEvil | hates that damn connector. |
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| 17:03.38 | orospakr | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/device-owners/2007-October/000664.html |
| 17:03.43 | orospakr | SpeedEvil, done that several times. |
| 17:03.47 | orospakr | it's probably inserted. |
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| 17:04.04 | SpeedEvil | OTOH - I was quite surprised that the speed of the SD is 3M/s |
| 17:04.07 | orospakr | s/probably/properly/ |
| 17:04.15 | SpeedEvil | It was much worse when I last tried it. |
| 17:04.25 | SpeedEvil | Or maybe I've just got a better card. |
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| 17:05.14 | orospakr | http://pastie.caboo.se/174205 |
| 17:06.01 | orospakr | I should have tried this with my old u-boot image from August. |
| 17:08.01 | orospakr | ah well, I'm just going to go with jffs2 for now. |
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| 17:23.07 | raster | ScaredyCat: i think i have used it at some point |
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| 17:32.04 | orospakr | oooh, so I decided to give suspend a try, and, well, on wake-up the LCD did the crazy "wash-out" thing that LCDs do when the controller screws up. |
| 17:32.13 | orospakr | and it didn't wake up on an incoming call, either. :( |
| 17:32.32 | orospakr | and yes, I removed the serial console line from bootargs. |
| 17:32.40 | orospakr | (and confirmed it with cat /proc/cmdline) |
| 17:34.37 | wurp2 | orospakr: :-( |
| 17:34.43 | wurp2 | How did you wake? |
| 17:34.46 | wurp2 | Aux or power? |
| 17:34.56 | orospakr | woke by tapping power. |
| 17:35.11 | orospakr | actually, hmmm |
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| 17:35.24 | orospakr | I'm using today's rootfs with a kernel from two weeks ago. |
| 17:35.25 | wurp2 | Try aux |
| 17:35.26 | orospakr | I should fix that. |
| 17:35.41 | wurp2 | That's the one that sort-of worked somewhat recently ;-) |
| 17:36.08 | orospakr | wow, look at that |
| 17:36.14 | wurp2 | Although there was a time (2/26 rootfs, iirc) that I was told with the boot parm mod you did, wake on call mostly worked |
| 17:36.17 | orospakr | it did the crazy lcd thing for a moment, but then I saw my OM desktop. |
| 17:36.31 | orospakr | wurp2, yeah, that's what the wiki said. |
| 17:36.35 | orospakr | I assumed it all still worked. :) |
| 17:37.06 | wurp2 | You're the 1st person afaik to try a more recent build with the boot parm mod |
| 17:38.16 | orospakr | neat. |
| 17:38.25 | orospakr | well, at least incoming calls still work after resuming. |
| 17:38.38 | orospakr | ... although there was no longer any ring sound. |
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| 17:40.55 | wurp2 | You're doing better than most, then |
| 17:41.06 | wurp2 | Last time I tried it, nothing worked after resume |
| 17:41.17 | wurp2 | but I haven't changed my boot args |
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| 17:44.12 | orospakr | oh well, it works for now. next order of business is to make the checkfastcharge script work. :) |
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| 17:46.45 | wurp2 | Is it failing for you? |
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| 17:47.03 | orospakr | wurp2, well, I wasn't able to install pygtk on the other image. |
| 17:47.12 | orospakr | apparently ipkg/opkg is fixed now. |
| 17:48.58 | wurp2 | cool |
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| 20:19.36 | ScaredyCat | raster: yeah, I know that.. I was just looking for someone who was around that knew anything about it |
| 20:20.01 | raster | not me |
| 20:20.04 | raster | i dont know anything |
| 20:20.05 | raster | :) |
| 20:20.13 | raster | goes back to kbd stuff |
| 20:20.16 | ScaredyCat | you weren't around either |
| 20:20.23 | raster | hhehehe |
| 20:20.26 | ScaredyCat | how do I actually use illume? |
| 20:20.29 | raster | i was just busy being stinky |
| 20:20.35 | raster | did u read the README ? |
| 20:20.42 | ScaredyCat | Ive installed e-wm and supporting files. |
| 20:20.52 | ScaredyCat | I have illume installed... |
| 20:21.06 | summatusmentis | raster: don't know if you saw earlier, the video of illume you've got is beautiful |
| 20:21.10 | ScaredyCat | but I seem to get the standard e wm |
| 20:21.17 | raster | yes |
| 20:21.20 | raster | that'd be correct |
| 20:21.38 | raster | summatusmentis: obrigado |
| 20:21.42 | ScaredyCat | I read the readme... with all the faux info... building it isn't the issue, running it is |
| 20:21.55 | ScaredyCat | ok, but illume is just a lib, right? |
| 20:21.57 | raster | ScaredyCat: in illum'es src i provide an "unrtar me from root" config |
| 20:22.02 | raster | its a module |
| 20:22.13 | raster | e wont go use a module just because u installed it |
| 20:22.16 | thos | ugliest hack in the world time :-) |
| 20:22.19 | raster | u will want to go configure e |
| 20:22.25 | raster | like to enable illume |
| 20:22.28 | raster | disable other modules |
| 20:22.33 | raster | delete some shelves |
| 20:22.39 | ScaredyCat | so it should show up as a module? |
| 20:22.42 | thos | throw out some wardrobes |
| 20:22.44 | raster | change theme to the illume.edj i put in svn |
| 20:22.45 | raster | etc. |
| 20:22.45 | ScaredyCat | is the config app? |
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| 20:22.58 | ScaredyCat | hrm |
| 20:23.19 | raster | thos: it is ugly - but works |
| 20:23.30 | raster | as such i dont have a default config nicely packaged up for it |
| 20:23.33 | thos | raster, that doesn't make it right! |
| 20:23.37 | ScaredyCat | shouldn;t the illume install do the theme install..... |
| 20:23.46 | raster | hey - i'm not rushing thigns here |
| 20:23.47 | thos | ScaredyCat, the point I was trying to make ;-) |
| 20:23.50 | raster | everyone else is |
| 20:24.06 | ScaredyCat | just anted a looksie |
| 20:24.10 | ScaredyCat | wanted |
| 20:24.11 | raster | i built basic .bb's to buil the module |
| 20:24.15 | raster | i ddi no hand-holding in them |
| 20:24.20 | ScaredyCat | bleh |
| 20:24.25 | raster | theres a lot more to do |
| 20:24.33 | raster | like tmatchbox-keyboard cant run at the same time |
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| 20:24.38 | raster | as u'll get a conflict |
| 20:24.49 | ScaredyCat | searches ffor that dodgy tarball |
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| 20:26.56 | raster | untar-me-from-root.tar.gz |
| 20:27.24 | raster | (thanks to the dodgey x sartup scripts OM uses $HOME is empty - thus your config files end up in /) |
| 20:27.45 | raster | i'm not worrying about integration currently as there is much code to be done |
| 20:27.49 | raster | and then theme work |
| 20:27.54 | raster | after that i can worry about integration |
| 20:27.57 | thos | raster, /root worked for me |
| 20:28.00 | raster | but others are doing that for me anyway |
| 20:28.07 | thos | but / did not work |
| 20:28.14 | raster | thos: ? |
| 20:28.18 | ScaredyCat | aah found it... |
| 20:28.20 | raster | on OM |
| 20:28.23 | raster | when it starts the wm |
| 20:28.24 | thos | yes |
| 20:28.26 | raster | (eg matchbox) |
| 20:28.30 | raster | $HOME is not set |
| 20:28.44 | raster | e ends up using / as home as a result |
| 20:29.00 | thos | erm |
| 20:29.10 | ScaredyCat | eh? |
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| 20:30.02 | raster | e just replaces matchbox if u install it |
| 20:30.03 | raster | thats all |
| 20:30.10 | raster | it inherits the same environment |
| 20:30.15 | raster | where $HOME is not set |
| 20:30.22 | raster | took me a while to find that out actually |
| 20:30.47 | thos | my $HOME is set here |
| 20:31.26 | raster | if u ssh in - it is |
| 20:32.05 | raster | this may have changed |
| 20:32.16 | thos | raster, there are plenty of other things that rely on $HOME, and they've always worked |
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| 20:32.30 | raster | but not in the images i build - and whatever i build doesnt seem to resemble what other people do even tho i update and rebuild as everyone else does |
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| 20:35.18 | thos | so nothing ever worked for you |
| 20:35.21 | thos | interesting |
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| 20:36.38 | raster | things work |
| 20:36.41 | raster | they just stick stuff in / |
| 20:37.41 | raster | oh sorry |
| 20:37.44 | raster | HOME is set to /. |
| 20:37.46 | raster | not unset |
| 20:37.52 | thos | haha |
| 20:37.58 | thos | something is really fucked in your build |
| 20:38.14 | raster | root@fic-gta02:~$ cat /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90xXWindowManager |
| 20:38.15 | raster | #!/bin/sh |
| 20:38.15 | raster | echo "HOME=$HOME" > /tmp/HOME-VALUE |
| 20:38.15 | raster | if [ -x $HOME/.Xsession ]; then |
| 20:38.15 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.15 | raster | else |
| 20:38.17 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.19 | raster | fi |
| 20:38.21 | raster | (i added the echo) |
| 20:38.31 | raster | root@fic-gta02:~$ cat /tmp/HOME-VALUE |
| 20:38.31 | raster | HOME=/ |
| 20:38.36 | raster | shrugs |
| 20:38.40 | raster | OM never works forme |
| 20:38.49 | raster | it always builds something completely shit |
| 20:38.53 | ScaredyCat | echo |
| 20:39.04 | ScaredyCat | echo |
| 20:39.11 | raster | my images dont resemble the images others build |
| 20:39.12 | raster | ni idea why |
| 20:39.14 | raster | no |
| 20:39.24 | raster | i just use mokomakefile and do the make update |
| 20:39.26 | raster | and whatever |
| 20:39.28 | raster | it builds stuff |
| 20:39.33 | raster | just nothing like anyone else |
| 20:39.51 | ScaredyCat | have you cleaned out build/tmp lateley? |
| 20:39.56 | raster | i gave up a long tiem ago - thats why i wont bother doing integration work |
| 20:40.05 | raster | i have done it several times |
| 20:40.50 | ScaredyCat | recently? |
| 20:40.55 | raster | yes |
| 20:41.00 | ScaredyCat | ie since the abi change |
| 20:41.05 | raster | i did it march 11 or so |
| 20:41.09 | ScaredyCat | k |
| 20:41.13 | raster | and all sorts of shite broke |
| 20:41.18 | ScaredyCat | are you sure? |
| 20:41.19 | raster | i reverted back to something that works |
| 20:41.21 | raster | yes |
| 20:41.23 | ScaredyCat | are you reall sure? |
| 20:41.29 | ScaredyCat | are you really really sure? |
| 20:41.32 | ScaredyCat | :P |
| 20:41.33 | raster | i spent a day hunting down all sorts of breaks |
| 20:41.37 | raster | yes |
| 20:41.42 | ScaredyCat | hrmm.. |
| 20:41.42 | raster | i am tired of wasting my time with OM |
| 20:41.47 | raster | i have development todo |
| 20:41.55 | raster | not some build monster to vanquish |
| 20:42.56 | thos | that's why I have a build box all seperate from my development machine :-) |
| 20:43.06 | raster | since october i have probably wasted sevral weeks of my work time just wrestling with OM. |
| 20:43.16 | raster | well OE/OM |
| 20:43.29 | thos | it has no funny environment, just stock OS, so everything works a charm |
| 20:43.31 | raster | i got tired of it so i just get on with other stuff |
| 20:43.38 | thos | plus it's a quad core with several gigs of ram helps |
| 20:43.44 | ScaredyCat | mmm... |
| 20:43.46 | raster | i don't intend to do that |
| 20:43.52 | ScaredyCat | builds on lappy... no problems |
| 20:44.00 | thos | raster, I didn't say you did :-) |
| 20:44.01 | ScaredyCat | it's my main machine atm |
| 20:44.03 | raster | if OE/OM can't work normally for someone with their standard workign env - too bad. |
| 20:44.15 | thos | it works for all my collegues on their own machines |
| 20:44.25 | thos | I just don't like it making my lap warm :-) |
| 20:44.28 | raster | i spent a long time finding out that if u have a DEBUG env var set OE wont uset it |
| 20:44.32 | ScaredyCat | and me too.... |
| 20:44.32 | ScaredyCat | raster, you must be a linux n00b ;) |
| 20:44.37 | raster | and it makes pcmcia-utils build go really pear shaped |
| 20:44.44 | Stephmw | ScaredyCat: them there are fighting words |
| 20:44.46 | raster | eatign up 100's of gb of my disk |
| 20:44.57 | raster | ScaredyCat: yeah. real n00b |
| 20:45.02 | ScaredyCat | Stephmw: hehehe |
| 20:45.19 | ScaredyCat | prods raster with a clean, working om build |
| 20:45.47 | Stephmw | digs at the OE buildsystem... it wobbles |
| 20:45.51 | ScaredyCat | I will admit - I upgraded my lapy hdd |
| 20:46.10 | ScaredyCat | 80gb -> 160 |
| 20:46.16 | raster | ScaredyCat: min builds stuff |
| 20:46.20 | ScaredyCat | oe still steals it all |
| 20:46.21 | raster | i am not touching it again |
| 20:46.27 | raster | mine |
| 20:46.41 | Stephmw | that's an issue with complex buildsystems - they become a piece of magic |
| 20:46.46 | raster | every time i have touched it and change dsomething i lost several days into making it work again |
| 20:46.58 | raster | i am not sinking the time again. |
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| 20:51.19 | playya | is a API for the OM calendar available? |
| 20:51.38 | thos | playya, yeah, it's called libical |
| 20:51.42 | thos | hehe |
| 20:51.44 | thos | is mean |
| 20:51.46 | playya | thx |
| 20:52.20 | thos | playya, what do you want to do specifically? |
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| 20:52.32 | playya | answering machine |
| 20:52.38 | thos | ?!?!! |
| 20:52.44 | playya | just writung the text for GSoC |
| 20:52.44 | thos | how's that related to calendar? |
| 20:53.12 | playya | maybe you have a meeting and do not want to change your annoncement by yourself |
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| 20:53.43 | playya | the answering machine should change it if you have a meeting |
| 20:54.01 | playya | or if you are having fun @ dentist |
| 20:54.08 | thos | playya, oh right, interesting |
| 20:54.22 | playya | i think so too |
| 20:54.36 | thos | playya, isn't it a bit late for GSoC |
| 20:54.37 | thos | oh |
| 20:54.42 | thos | they extended the deadline right? |
| 20:54.51 | playya | just made a mistake with SoC. thought i need a mentor first |
| 20:54.53 | playya | yes |
| 20:54.55 | playya | till sunday |
| 20:54.59 | thos | cool |
| 20:55.06 | thos | playya, CC me in if you mail anyone about it |
| 20:55.14 | stefan_schmidt | looks how many gsoc apps we have already |
| 20:55.18 | playya | yes |
| 20:55.19 | thos | playya, thomas@openedhand.com, I think I could mentor |
| 20:55.25 | thos | Stephmw, how many? |
| 20:55.27 | stefan_schmidt | 48 right now |
| 20:55.27 | thos | wah |
| 20:55.36 | thos | stefan_schmidt, is there a status page? |
| 20:55.41 | playya | how many countries? |
| 20:55.51 | thos | stefan_schmidt, are they all for "port plan9"? ;-) |
| 20:55.52 | stefan_schmidt | thos: only if you are a mentor. :( |
| 20:56.04 | thos | stefan_schmidt, sure, I don't mind |
| 20:56.21 | thos | stefan_schmidt, this idea sounds like it will use a lot of the stuff I already wrote (api etc) |
| 20:56.24 | stefan_schmidt | thos: A lot gesture stuff and the rest is mixed |
| 20:56.33 | thos | heh gesture |
| 20:56.34 | thos | waste of time |
| 20:56.42 | stefan_schmidt | thos: No problem if you apply as a mentor |
| 20:56.46 | thos | this answerphone idea sounds much better :-) |
| 20:56.49 | thos | ah |
| 20:56.52 | thos | stefan_schmidt, good point |
| 20:56.59 | thos | stefan_schmidt, too late for that I guess? |
| 20:57.05 | playya | gestures like on the wii might be cool but i wouldn't playy wii in public |
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| 20:57.13 | stefan_schmidt | Not really waste of time. Nice stuff. But only one can do it |
| 20:57.25 | stefan_schmidt | thos: hmm, I think you can still apply. |
| 20:57.34 | thos | stefan_schmidt, url? |
| 20:57.43 | thos | playya, did you submit a proposal online? |
| 20:57.44 | stefan_schmidt | not offhand |
| 20:58.01 | playya | not yet |
| 20:58.11 | playya | just writing the detailed description of it |
| 20:58.57 | stefan_schmidt | thos: The URL was pretty strange to find. Something like mentor-add |
| 20:59.06 | thos | stefan_schmidt, don't I ihave to be invited to be a mentor? |
| 20:59.18 | stefan_schmidt | I never found a link to it from the GSoC pages. Google search should be your friend. :) |
| 20:59.43 | stefan_schmidt | thos: no, you apply and the admins accept or reject |
| 21:00.46 | stefan_schmidt | IIRC last year we had ~30 proposals and got 3 slots, this year we have ~50, so let's hope we get also more slots. :) |
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| 21:01.45 | thos | oh |
| 21:01.46 | thos | stefan_schmidt, found it |
| 21:01.51 | stefan_schmidt | good |
| 21:02.02 | thos | oh |
| 21:02.03 | thos | nope |
| 21:02.10 | stefan_schmidt | Have to work a bit now. I'll accept it later. |
| 21:02.28 | thos | ok really found it now |
| 21:03.08 | thos | woo |
| 21:03.18 | thos | stefan_schmidt, ok "OpenMoko Inc. Your Mentoring Acceptance is Pending" |
| 21:03.32 | thos | playya, now hold up your end of the bargain and get the proposal submitted ;-) |
| 21:03.36 | stefan_schmidt | thos: ok, I'll approve it later |
| 21:03.52 | playya | ok |
| 21:04.23 | playya | with the words of james from dinner for one: "I'll do my very best ;)" |
| 21:05.40 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4300 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (ChangeLog src/sms-contacts.c src/sms-notes.c src/sms-utils.c): (log message trimmed) |
| 21:05.40 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 2008-04-02 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com> |
| 21:05.40 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * src/sms-contacts.c: |
| 21:05.40 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * src/sms-notes.c: |
| 21:05.40 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * src/sms-utils.c: |
| 21:05.44 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Re-add the New button to the notes pages. |
| 21:05.46 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Add a delete all button to the contacts page, to delete all selected |
| 21:05.48 | thos | grumble |
| 21:05.53 | thos | I shouldn't be working :-) |
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| 21:06.16 | thos | but at least openmoko-messages2 is less crazy now |
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| 21:14.12 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03werner * r4301 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta02-acc.patch: (log message trimmed) |
| 21:14.12 | CIA-16 | openmoko: add-lis302dl-gta02-a6-int1-only.patch |
| 21:14.12 | CIA-16 | openmoko: A6 uses int1 only and no pullup, adapt according to PCB revision |
| 21:14.12 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Signed-off-by: Andy Green <andy@openmoko.com> |
| 21:14.12 | CIA-16 | openmoko: [ Changed to use system_rev, like everyone else. ] |
| 21:14.16 | CIA-16 | openmoko: --- |
| 21:14.18 | CIA-16 | openmoko: arch/arm/mach-s3c2440/mach-gta02.c | 17 +++++++++++++++-- |
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| 21:18.45 | playya | another intresting thing might be a distributed package server |
| 21:18.55 | playya | thought of this for the XO |
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| 22:08.26 | josch | netsplits are nice :-D |
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| 22:10.56 | ajbrun | they are funky |
| 22:11.37 | josch | they are the only reason I'm here :P |
| 22:12.31 | ajbrun | they really brighten up my day |
| 22:12.39 | ajbrun | it's what irc was made for |
| 22:12.43 | josch | agreed |
| 22:12.50 | ajbrun | and you never know when they're going to happen |
| 22:12.55 | ajbrun | they're such a surprise |
| 22:13.10 | ajbrun | you don't have one in ages, then BOOM |
| 22:13.12 | ajbrun | net split |
| 22:13.16 | josch | lets do bets when all the guys come back |
| 22:13.28 | ajbrun | and everything is good again |
| 22:13.32 | ajbrun | out fallen members |
| 22:13.35 | ajbrun | *our |
| 22:14.30 | ajbrun | 23:25:07 |
| 22:14.49 | ajbrun | 23:15:07 |
| 22:14.51 | ajbrun | i mean |
| 22:14.55 | ajbrun | grr |
| 22:14.59 | ajbrun | i lost |
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| 22:22.02 | I-MOD | they let us know that one was going to happen |
| 22:22.15 | I-MOD | did you not see the message from christel? |
| 22:22.35 | josch | [Global Notice] Hi all! I'm about to do a teeny bit of re-routing, it shouldn't be too messy -- affected users should be around 7K. Have a great day and thank you for using freenode! |
| 22:23.01 | I-MOD | its great how 7000 users is a teeny bit |
| 22:24.00 | josch | 7k... great, they got speedevil, jeffdameth, kdean06, playya and rwhitby |
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| 22:25.25 | josch | there they are! |
| 22:25.25 | josch | web guys! |
| 22:25.25 | josch | s/web/wb |
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| 23:01.47 | summatusmentis | *sigh* |
| 23:02.45 | SpeedEvil | zaps summatusmentis with his sigh explanator. |
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| 23:03.12 | summatusmentis | SpeedEvil: lol, oh, sorry |
| 23:03.46 | summatusmentis | Tired, want mickeyl to come back, might be writing another SoC app, and I have to read, and work on a Java Heap assignment tonight |
| 23:04.03 | SpeedEvil | What on? |
| 23:04.08 | SpeedEvil | (SoC) |
| 23:04.56 | summatusmentis | for OpenAFS, porting some of the features in the OpenAFS patch to the linux kernel to the afs code in the kernel(to allow read/authenticate/write instead of just read) |
| 23:05.35 | SpeedEvil | Funky. |
| 23:05.52 | SpeedEvil | That's a distributed filesystem? |
| 23:05.54 | summatusmentis | currently OpenAFS code is not GPL, and therefore, not allowable in standard kernel |
| 23:05.55 | summatusmentis | yeah |
| 23:06.19 | SpeedEvil | If you apply for multiple projects, do you get to pick between them if selected? |
| 23:06.30 | summatusmentis | I'm not sure how the decision is made |
| 23:06.39 | summatusmentis | you mean if both projects want me? |
| 23:07.06 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 23:07.17 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.31 | summatusmentis | I've been told if multiple projects want me, the organizations battle it out w/ either mud wrestling, or rock, paper, scissors |
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| 23:41.06 | SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57bfxsiVTd4 |
| 23:41.33 | SpeedEvil | Grace Hopper. |
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