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| 00:15.51 | nezza-_- | re ... |
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| 00:29.48 | wurp2 | Does anyone know how to clean out the opemoko-today database? |
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| 00:38.28 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: been kinda busy lately, sorry for having disappeared ;-) |
| 00:39.11 | cesarb | is utterly out of the loop as to OM news in the last couple of weeks |
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| 00:54.03 | ewon | just as well gta02 isn't out yet |
| 00:54.13 | ewon | have to rebuild the trans on my car :( |
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| 01:15.08 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03werner * r4280 10/developers/werner/bin/ (lab4 moko-env): |
| 01:15.08 | CIA-17 | openmoko: - lab4: my u-boot is now also in 2624/ |
| 01:15.08 | CIA-17 | openmoko: - moko-env: fixed PATH |
| 01:15.08 | CIA-17 | openmoko: - moko-env: source additional more stuff from svn.internal.openmoko.org |
| 01:16.18 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03werner * r4281 10/developers/werner/svnlogdir: If we can't parse the output, just warn, don't fail. |
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| 01:53.00 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03werner * r4282 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (4 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 01:53.00 | CIA-17 | openmoko: This set of changes makes u-boot detect hardware revisions >= GTA02v5 at run |
| 01:53.00 | CIA-17 | openmoko: time instead of build time. The revision tag and the boot prompt are adjusted |
| 01:53.00 | CIA-17 | openmoko: accordingly. |
| 01:53.00 | CIA-17 | openmoko: Note that new code should use gta02_revision for feature tests, not |
| 01:53.03 | CIA-17 | openmoko: CONFIG_GTA02_REVISION ! |
| 01:53.05 | CIA-17 | openmoko: For backward-compatibility, "make gta02v6_config" is still supported (and |
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| 02:17.10 | duffyd | hi all, I've recently tried flashing the buildhost.openmoko.org tar.gz gta01 images onto my sd card but it boots the neo so far (the boot progress bar appears) but then just starts scrolling very quickly and doesn't boot |
| 02:17.16 | duffyd | anyone else seen this kind of error? |
| 02:17.25 | duffyd | I'll logon and check the dmesg logs |
| 02:17.42 | duffyd | I'm also wondering if it's cos I'm using the older uboot |
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| 02:50.15 | Marcel_M | duffyd: try the latest kernel from there http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/?C=M;O=D |
| 02:50.33 | duffyd | Marcel_M: ok, thanks |
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| 02:51.50 | Marcel_M | you are welcome :) |
| 02:51.54 | duffyd | Marcel_M: fyi I'm extracing to my sd card so I'm assuming I use this: http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/Openmoko-celtune-monster-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080331-om-gta01.rootfs.tar.gz ? |
| 02:51.55 | duffyd | :) |
| 02:53.01 | Marcel_M | you can take a look at 1-news-warning-info to see the included packages in the monster.image |
| 02:53.40 | Marcel_M | all tar.gz are for the sd card |
| 02:54.35 | mwester | wonders if those monster filenames made up of multiple words glommed together is due to the German-speaking contingent among the devs... |
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| 02:57.31 | Marcel_M | duffyd: i meant use this kernel http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/uImage-2.6.24+svnr4267-r4251-r5-om-gta01.bin (the monster-image as well if you like) |
| 02:58.18 | Marcel_M | to get rid off the tons of messages |
| 02:59.50 | duffyd | Marcel_M: but I'm using my sdcard for boot |
| 03:00.00 | duffyd | Marcel_M: isn't that for the nand? |
| 03:00.15 | Marcel_M | the kernel yes |
| 03:01.04 | duffyd | Marcel_M: and I'm not using that boot option :P |
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| 03:02.11 | Marcel_M | duffyd: i dont understand what you mean |
| 03:03.23 | duffyd | Marcel_M: when I boot I hold the aux key (or whatever that other key is called) and select 'boot from sd' so my nand doesn't get touched in the boot process |
| 03:03.48 | Marcel_M | duffyd: sorry i forgot (i boot from sdhc so i use always the kernel from nend) |
| 03:03.56 | duffyd | Marcel_M: yup ;) |
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| 03:04.05 | Marcel_M | :) |
| 03:04.06 | duffyd | Marcel_M: so don't think the kernel you refer to will help me |
| 03:04.10 | duffyd | thanks anyway |
| 03:04.32 | Marcel_M | the kernel should be in the monster-image sas well |
| 03:04.44 | duffyd | Marcel_M: ok, great |
| 03:04.47 | duffyd | I'll give that a go |
| 03:06.56 | duffyd | Marcel_M: you currently using the monster stuff? |
| 03:07.12 | Marcel_M | yes /me build it |
| 03:07.44 | duffyd | Marcel_M: great |
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| 03:08.17 | duffyd | Marcel_M: I really wanna run something like a TurboGears app on my OM |
| 03:08.22 | Marcel_M | duffyd: but i didnt test this one (20080331) |
| 03:08.58 | duffyd | ok, what you currently using? |
| 03:09.45 | SpeedEvil | tries kicking off a new build. |
| 03:09.56 | SpeedEvil | has broken images. |
| 03:10.28 | Marcel_M | duffyd: hmm good question the 20080327 should be good |
| 03:10.35 | duffyd | ok |
| 03:10.45 | duffyd | just wants to be able to use good ol' OM again from the sdcard |
| 03:10.49 | duffyd | dunno what's going wrong |
| 03:11.00 | duffyd | just got a segfault from the latest one on buildhost.om |
| 03:11.13 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03werner * r4283 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (4 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 03:11.13 | CIA-17 | openmoko: Introduce GTA02v6, for now as equivalent of GTA02v5. |
| 03:11.13 | CIA-17 | openmoko: gta02-core.patch: |
| 03:11.13 | CIA-17 | openmoko: - include/asm-arm/arch-s3c2410/gta02.h (GTA02v6_SYSTEM_REV): added revision |
| 03:11.13 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 0x360 |
| 03:11.14 | CIA-17 | openmoko: - arch/arm/mach-s3c2440/mach-gta02.c (mangle_pmu_pdata_by_system_rev, |
| 03:11.18 | CIA-17 | openmoko: gta02_glamo_mmc_set_power): added GTA02v6_SYSTEM_REV (equivalent to |
| 03:11.55 | Marcel_M | yeah the quality of the images differs from day to day |
| 03:12.22 | SpeedEvil | I was getting broken windows - dialer not fullscreen forex |
| 03:13.05 | Marcel_M | SpeedEvil: from today (yesterday ;) ) |
| 03:14.12 | duffyd | another segfault - arggghhh |
| 03:14.25 | Marcel_M | if so the duffyd should try another one |
| 03:14.29 | duffyd | after starting the portmap daemon |
| 03:14.31 | duffyd | yeah I will |
| 03:14.32 | Marcel_M | duffyd: :( |
| 03:14.41 | duffyd | goes to get it and ease *my* pain |
| 03:14.57 | duffyd | Marcel_M: shall I dare grab the 31st one? |
| 03:15.01 | duffyd | or just opt for the 27ty? |
| 03:15.06 | duffyd | s/y/h |
| 03:15.53 | Marcel_M | dunno if SpeedEvils is from 31 i think mine got the same errors try an older one |
| 03:17.18 | SpeedEvil | you mean dialer not fullscreen, no toolbar up at the top other than the phone/battery/... status icons? |
| 03:18.28 | duffyd | SpeedEvil: sounds bad ;) |
| 03:18.39 | Marcel_M | SpeedEvil: dunno my 31 build is not tested |
| 03:18.52 | SpeedEvil | this was 30 too |
| 03:20.05 | sandman__ | summatusmentis: did you send out a draft of your GSoC proposal to the listerv? |
| 03:20.14 | duffyd | Marcel_M: wow 82mb - it's a monster ;) |
| 03:20.37 | Marcel_M | duffyd: yes :) |
| 03:21.07 | Marcel_M | have you seen the included packages? |
| 03:23.15 | duffyd | Marcel_M: yes |
| 03:23.19 | duffyd | impressive |
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| 03:23.48 | Marcel_M | hopes duffyd sd card will not explode |
| 03:23.57 | duffyd | Marcel_M: how are you making use of usb_host? |
| 03:23.59 | duffyd | Marcel_M: ;) |
| 03:24.30 | Marcel_M | duffyd: http://rabenfrost.net/celtune/1-NEWS-WARNING-INFO section usb-host |
| 03:26.38 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4284 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (ChangeLog src/sms-dbus.c): openmoko-messages2: fix the unitialised variable error |
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| 03:32.48 | duffyd | Marcel_M: yeah I read that but it didn't state what you're usecases are |
| 03:32.55 | duffyd | e.g. wifi usb dongle, etc |
| 03:32.58 | duffyd | that would be mine ;) |
| 03:33.42 | Marcel_M | duffyd: ahh sorry |
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| 03:34.58 | Marcel_M | i tested it with sd-plus card (sd-usb combicard, sd cardreaders, xpad, and an usb atapi bridge |
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| 03:36.02 | Marcel_M | but the usb atapi bridge wont run ( but i didnt tested it really ;) ) |
| 03:36.36 | Marcel_M | just pluged it in it wont run |
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| 03:36.50 | SpeedEvil | what do you mean by won't run? |
| 03:37.33 | Marcel_M | i could not see the atached device (ide-hdd) |
| 03:38.57 | summatusmentis | where'd sandman__ go? |
| 03:39.14 | duffyd | Marcel_M: ahhh so that device plugs in via the sdcard slot? |
| 03:39.16 | duffyd | sounds cool :) |
| 03:40.38 | SpeedEvil | I doubt it. |
| 03:40.52 | Marcel_M | duffyd: http://de.sandisk.com/Products/Item(1853)-SDSDPH-2048-SanDisk_Ultra_II_SD_Plus_USB_2GB.aspx works great also the (old)xpad joystick and sd cards in an usb-cardreader |
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| 03:41.41 | duffyd | what a horrible url :P |
| 03:42.10 | Marcel_M | just this one wont run out of the box http://www.digitus.de/scripts/digdetail.asp?artnr=DA%2D70148 |
| 03:43.23 | Marcel_M | duffyd: the combi sd card is really nice |
| 03:43.28 | duffyd | yeah |
| 03:43.43 | Marcel_M | and its cheap |
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| 03:47.11 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03werner * r4285 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (gta02-acc.patch introduce-fiq-basis.patch): (log message trimmed) |
| 03:47.11 | CIA-17 | openmoko: fix-lis302dl-isr-lock.patch |
| 03:47.11 | CIA-17 | openmoko: It seems that the two accelermoter interrupts can interrupt each other after some |
| 03:47.11 | CIA-17 | openmoko: time and destroy one interrupt acknowledge action by starting an acknowledge for |
| 03:47.12 | CIA-17 | openmoko: the second accelermoter partway through. Since the two are edge-triggered interrupts |
| 03:47.14 | CIA-17 | openmoko: after this happens we do not see any more interrupts from the one whose acknowledge |
| 03:47.18 | CIA-17 | openmoko: was broken. |
| 03:47.50 | Marcel_M | and of course mouse , keyboard (usb & bluetooth) |
| 03:48.27 | duffyd | great - would there be any way to get wifi working using that? |
| 03:48.47 | Marcel_M | i think it should be no problem |
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| 03:51.18 | Marcel_M | prism-firmware ipk and others are on my rep ;) |
| 03:52.23 | duffyd | ok, prism - what's that ;) |
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| 03:53.04 | Marcel_M | wifi chip producer |
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| 03:53.55 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03werner * r4286 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/fix-cpu-input-pulldowns.patch: Reverted changes to drivers/video/smedia3362.c (spill) |
| 03:56.39 | duffyd | OH COOL |
| 03:56.47 | duffyd | oh, excuse the yelling ;) |
| 03:57.03 | Marcel_M | hehe :) |
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| 04:26.43 | jimiridge | hows the suspend mode coming along? |
| 04:26.51 | jimiridge | will a call wake it up |
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| 04:35.59 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03werner * r4287 10/trunk/src/host/devirginator/environment.in: environment.in: changed menu item "Reset" to "Reboot" |
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| 04:46.11 | duffyd | Marcel_M: mmm, same scrolling errors :( |
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| 04:47.40 | duffyd | Marcel_M: I'm wondering if it's my uboot now |
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| 04:48.01 | Marcel_M | duffyd: sorry i had a kernel misconf one of the images and i was hoping it wasnt the 27 one ... |
| 04:48.25 | Marcel_M | i dont think its your uboot |
| 04:48.33 | duffyd | ok |
| 04:48.52 | duffyd | which one do you think is *good* ;) |
| 04:49.11 | Marcel_M | good question :) |
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| 04:53.45 | duffyd | Marcel_M: ok how about this question - is it ok for me to prepare my sdcard by executing mkfs.ext3 /dev/deviceNameOfCard ? |
| 04:53.55 | duffyd | or do I need to put some special options when doing this? |
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| 04:54.28 | Marcel_M | duffyd: it should be ok |
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| 04:55.27 | dmkae | hey all |
| 04:55.33 | duffyd | doh, back to square 1 then :( |
| 04:55.36 | duffyd | dmkae: hi |
| 04:55.40 | dmkae | hello |
| 04:55.42 | dmkae | whats new |
| 04:56.02 | duffyd | Marcel_M: ok, 3rd reboot and see if Marcel_M's 27 march monster image works |
| 04:56.12 | duffyd | doh too many nicks in there ;) |
| 04:56.39 | dmkae | so, when is the first openmoko phones gonna be available? |
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| 04:58.27 | Marcel_M | duffyd: i got a 29 build in my nand (image) |
| 04:59.01 | duffyd | great, thanks |
| 04:59.04 | duffyd | dindins |
| 04:59.05 | duffyd | bbl |
| 04:59.30 | dmkae | hello?? |
| 04:59.43 | Marcel_M | duffyd: wait a mom i take a look if i can see the kernel in the monster from 29 |
| 05:00.34 | unknown_lamer | dmkae: today |
| 05:00.51 | dmkae | very funny |
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| 05:02.21 | SpeedEvil | dmkae: who kows. |
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| 05:03.21 | SpeedEvil | dmkae: broadly. There have been no reports other than the pre-production test of the last hardware candiate was going ahead - but that was a couple of weeks ago? |
| 05:03.41 | dmkae | ah |
| 05:03.50 | dmkae | and who might make the phones? |
| 05:03.59 | SpeedEvil | They are beinng made by OpenMoko |
| 05:04.05 | dmkae | ah ok hehe |
| 05:04.26 | dmkae | so is the openmoko going to trash the google android? |
| 05:04.56 | SpeedEvil | Ask again later. |
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| 05:05.27 | dmkae | hehe |
| 05:06.42 | SpeedEvil | Most here hope so - the google platform has some problems. |
| 05:06.55 | Marcel_M | duffyd: the 29 monster should be good |
| 05:07.45 | dmkae | ah |
| 05:07.52 | dmkae | is openmoko based in java like android? |
| 05:08.15 | dmkae | i would like to start coding for the openmoko. My first project would be to port doom to it. :) |
| 05:08.28 | SpeedEvil | openmoko is 'just' a linux distribution. |
| 05:08.37 | SpeedEvil | That's all it is. |
| 05:08.39 | dmkae | ah |
| 05:08.45 | dmkae | so whats special about it? |
| 05:08.51 | SpeedEvil | It can run any linux apps you like - with X - that you can compile on it. |
| 05:08.59 | dmkae | ah |
| 05:09.09 | SpeedEvil | All the software and hardware interface stuff to make it into a phone. |
| 05:09.10 | summatusmentis | SpeedEvil: what problems does android have? |
| 05:09.19 | Marcel_M | gn8 |
| 05:09.19 | dmkae | so its a linux distro for the phones |
| 05:09.28 | dmkae | yea, which problems? |
| 05:10.01 | SpeedEvil | As I understand it - the scope of user openness is java apps only - you can't majorly modify the phone functionality in unexpected ways. |
| 05:10.42 | dmkae | so it's like the iphone then :P |
| 05:10.44 | summatusmentis | oh, but it's based on linux, is it not? |
| 05:10.56 | SpeedEvil | 'based on linux' means nothign. |
| 05:10.58 | dmkae | Its based in java i think |
| 05:11.08 | dmkae | the sdk is in java |
| 05:11.11 | SpeedEvil | You can have something based on linux but not actually be able to use that fact. |
| 05:11.16 | dmkae | i hate java |
| 05:11.21 | SpeedEvil | As you can't install your own programs. |
| 05:11.49 | SpeedEvil | one of the strengths of OM - in principle is that you can use python, lisp, or visual-fortran to write programs. |
| 05:12.10 | dmkae | cool |
| 05:12.14 | dmkae | but who actually uses those |
| 05:12.46 | edistar_ | dmkae: python? it's quite useful.. |
| 05:14.10 | dmkae | ah yea python |
| 05:14.16 | dmkae | but not lisp or fortran |
| 05:14.51 | unknown_lamer | lisp is very useful |
| 05:14.57 | unknown_lamer | I use it every day ... |
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| 05:15.06 | edistar_ | :P true.. but you can access the accelerometers directly in OM e.g., things that won't be so easy in android I guess |
| 05:15.25 | unknown_lamer | I'm hoping the accelerometers will work well enough that I can have a tilt based lbreakout |
| 05:15.53 | unknown_lamer | I seem to recall some talk a long while ago about needing three to be able to handle stuff like that |
| 05:15.54 | SpeedEvil | they pick up tilt very well. |
| 05:15.59 | unknown_lamer | but do they drift? |
| 05:16.06 | SpeedEvil | unknown_lamer: ballpark. |
| 05:16.09 | edistar_ | SpeedEvil: have you tried them yet? |
| 05:16.17 | SpeedEvil | edistar_: no - I've read the datasheet |
| 05:16.22 | edistar_ | ok |
| 05:16.25 | dmkae | could assembly be used too? |
| 05:16.27 | SpeedEvil | edistar_: id they still use the same ones |
| 05:16.30 | SpeedEvil | dmkae: sure |
| 05:16.39 | unknown_lamer | if I can tilt my freerunner back and forth to make the breakout paddle move I'll be very happy |
| 05:16.48 | edistar_ | dmkae: of course, every programming language you want |
| 05:17.00 | SpeedEvil | unknown_lamer: you get a 3 degree or so granularity on where 'down' is. |
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| 05:17.23 | SpeedEvil | unknown_lamer: this 'down' is where a short pendulumn would instantly point |
| 05:17.29 | unknown_lamer | hmm |
| 05:17.34 | edistar_ | dmkae: whatever you may want to do on your desktop machine you can do on OM hardware too |
| 05:17.35 | unknown_lamer | at least at worst I'll waste an afternoon |
| 05:17.40 | unknown_lamer | 'tho I'll have to write stuff in C yech |
| 05:17.41 | edistar_ | dmkae: only slower |
| 05:17.48 | unknown_lamer | unless someone writes a joystick driver for it or something |
| 05:17.53 | SpeedEvil | unknown_lamer: but of course it doesn't sway like a real pendulumn. |
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| 05:34.55 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03werner * r4288 10/trunk/src/target/dynenv/ (. Makefile README dynenv.c mtd-abi.h): |
| 05:34.55 | CIA-17 | openmoko: "dynenv" is a utility to read or write the u-boot environment pointer stored |
| 05:34.55 | CIA-17 | openmoko: in the OOB area of NAND. |
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| 05:47.32 | dmkae | hehehe |
| 05:47.38 | dmkae | i love that slogan in the openmoko site |
| 05:47.45 | dmkae | "If cant open it, you dont own it" |
| 05:47.55 | dmkae | Awesome people |
| 05:48.10 | dmkae | Bill Gates would have a heartattack if he heard that |
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| 07:04.41 | duffyd | hi can someone remind me where the latest uboot is? |
| 07:08.53 | SpeedEvil | On ufeet? |
| 07:09.12 | duffyd | SpeedEvil: ? |
| 07:09.20 | SpeedEvil | Sorry. |
| 07:09.42 | duffyd | SpeedEvil: being funny ;) |
| 07:09.48 | SpeedEvil | suffers from a condition that causes him to make bad jokes. It's not at all punny. |
| 07:10.04 | Sonicadvance1 | hehe |
| 07:10.05 | SpeedEvil | I'd first look at the u-boot page on the wiki |
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| 07:13.23 | duffyd | SpeedEvil: yeah had a look there but better look a little closer |
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| 07:14.48 | Sonicadvance1 | Berries and cream |
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| 07:14.49 | SpeedEvil | recently had strawberries and ice-cream. Mmmm. |
| 07:15.06 | duffyd | http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/images/u-boot-gta01bv4-1.2.0+git8993e54b6f397973794f3d6f47d3b3c0c98dd4f6+svn20070819-r0.bin |
| 07:15.08 | methril | morning |
| 07:15.10 | duffyd | is that it? |
| 07:15.36 | duffyd | I get told to go here: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.11/ when going to the uboot page on the wiki |
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| 07:15.43 | duffyd | and then I find a link to *that* uboot |
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| 07:16.51 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r120 10/trunk/software/pyneod/setup.py: fixed build issues |
| 07:17.23 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r121 10/trunk/software/pyneod/pygpsd.py: set fix on value of "warning" in RMC sentence |
| 07:18.51 | SpeedEvil | The one I built yesterday was /u-boot-gta01bv4-1.3.1+svnr4230+gitb29661fc1151077776454288051bc9a488351ce8-r3.bin |
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| 07:19.49 | duffyd | SpeedEvil: I don't have a debug board, though :( |
| 07:19.51 | duffyd | scared |
| 07:20.14 | SpeedEvil | All I can say is that http://www.mauve.plus.com/u-boot-gta01bv4-1.3.1+svnr4230+gitb29661fc1151077776454288051bc9a488351ce8-r3.bin worked for me |
| 07:20.17 | SpeedEvil | However. |
| 07:20.22 | SpeedEvil | Why do you want to upgrade? |
| 07:21.31 | duffyd | SpeedEvil: well I've tried a number of OM builds over the past several days and everyone one of them fails to boot |
| 07:21.48 | SpeedEvil | what do you mean by boot? |
| 07:21.48 | duffyd | SpeedEvil: I thought I'd eliminate the uboot issue before looking into other things |
| 07:22.04 | duffyd | well it'll boot so far and then hang with differing error messages |
| 07:22.26 | duffyd | last image I successfully got to boot was an underground image but that was with an older kernel |
| 07:22.27 | SpeedEvil | Before or after mounting hte filesystem? |
| 07:22.29 | duffyd | unsure if that's the rason |
| 07:22.33 | duffyd | after |
| 07:22.36 | SpeedEvil | have you ever upgraded u-boot? |
| 07:22.40 | duffyd | no |
| 07:22.45 | duffyd | hence my wanting to :) |
| 07:22.51 | Sonicadvance1 | :D |
| 07:22.54 | SpeedEvil | Ok - you need to do 'nand erase rootfs' before upgrading. |
| 07:23.02 | SpeedEvil | and that's all - and it'll work fine. |
| 07:23.13 | duffyd | SpeedEvil: but I'm booting from the *sd* |
| 07:23.15 | SpeedEvil | the problem is that jffs is corrupted by crap at the end of the filesystem. |
| 07:23.17 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 07:23.20 | duffyd | not from the nand partition |
| 07:23.25 | SpeedEvil | does it work if you boot from nand? |
| 07:23.42 | duffyd | as I said the last one I had boot successfully was an OM underground image from the nand |
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| 07:23.59 | duffyd | but I've since tried a OM image from buildhost.OM that was on the nand and didn't boot |
| 07:24.15 | duffyd | lately I've been getting consistent errors with booting from sd where it says segmentation fault |
| 07:24.23 | duffyd | which I thought was a possible uboot issue iirc |
| 07:24.29 | SpeedEvil | You need to do the nand erase rootfs thing with the early uboot between upgrading flashes. |
| 07:24.38 | SpeedEvil | You need to do the nand erase rootfs thing with the early uboot between upgrading filesystems. |
| 07:24.45 | SpeedEvil | You need to do the nand erase rootfs thing with the early uboot between upgrading nand images. |
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| 07:25.16 | duffyd | SpeedEvil: yeah I know, I have been doing that |
| 07:25.21 | duffyd | shall I repeat myself 3x too ;) |
| 07:25.47 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - I edited to reflect reality. |
| 07:26.12 | duffyd | np |
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| 07:26.31 | SpeedEvil | u-boot may be the problem with SD boot - I'm unsure. |
| 07:26.36 | duffyd | I'm wondering if it's a combination issue of old uboot + new kernel + booting from sd |
| 07:26.44 | SpeedEvil | what country are you? |
| 07:26.47 | duffyd | yeah wanna try and get that issue out of the way anyway |
| 07:26.48 | duffyd | NZ |
| 07:27.09 | SpeedEvil | I probably can't realistically help you with unbricking hten :) |
| 07:27.24 | duffyd | SpeedEvil: tell you what, I'll use the uboot you recommended at least I have a better chance than a random one |
| 07:27.39 | duffyd | SpeedEvil: well currently the thing is useless anyway so probably doesn't matter |
| 07:27.47 | duffyd | I should be able to find someone in the 2 islands ;) |
| 07:28.19 | SpeedEvil | All I can say about it is it booted my neo once :) |
| 07:28.28 | duffyd | SpeedEvil: lol |
| 07:28.33 | duffyd | well that means it's not bricked right |
| 07:28.37 | duffyd | ;) |
| 07:29.08 | duffyd | SpeedEvil: you got a download url for that uboot image? |
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| 07:32.06 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r122 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (src/sim.c test/Makefile.am test/sim_unit.py): |
| 07:32.06 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: Added proper replies to pin code related queries. |
| 07:32.06 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: Added pin code related tests. |
| 07:33.11 | SpeedEvil | points at the above url. |
| 07:33.50 | duffyd | SpeedEvil: oh the one *you* built, missed that ;) |
| 07:35.15 | Sonicadvance1 | Oh, I have a question. What is battery life at comparing it to say....3 months ago? :D |
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| 07:35.50 | SpeedEvil | Unfortunately, static. |
| 07:36.01 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:36.06 | SpeedEvil | cesarb seemed to be making some progress, then stalled for reasons I don't know of. |
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| 07:37.59 | duffyd | SpeedEvil: gta02 ;) |
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| 07:38.38 | SpeedEvil | oh. |
| 07:38.39 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 07:38.47 | Sonicadvance1 | hm' |
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| 07:39.39 | duffyd | SpeedEvil: just guessing (but possibly some truth in it ;) |
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| 07:45.16 | josch | are there other openmoko compatible phones besides gta1973 and the motorola a1200 ? |
| 07:45.22 | josch | is there a wiki page about it? |
| 07:46.17 | doc|home | josch: there's some amount of working on palm phones, the wiki had info on it |
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| 07:47.17 | doc|home | zZzZz |
| 07:47.38 | duffyd | ok here goes with the uboot flash |
| 07:47.46 | duffyd | hands shake a little |
| 07:48.08 | mbuf | josch, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko-supported_hardware |
| 07:48.23 | josch | mbuf, ah nice! |
| 07:48.48 | duffyd | seemed to work :) |
| 07:48.57 | duffyd | SpeedEvil: yay! |
| 07:49.08 | duffyd | SpeedEvil: now to see if it'll boot my sdcard image |
| 07:52.16 | duffyd | SpeedEvil: it booted - yaaaayyyyyyy! |
| 07:52.24 | duffyd | SpeedEvil: it was the uboot after all :P |
| 07:53.02 | josch | duffyd, now you have it booting from sd - try out debian ;) |
| 07:53.14 | duffyd | josch: how? |
| 07:53.27 | josch | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian |
| 07:54.07 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 07:54.38 | SpeedEvil | wonders if duffyd will spot the GPS/phone surveilance. |
| 07:55.08 | duffyd | SpeedEvil: lol |
| 07:55.46 | duffyd | SpeedEvil: I owe you :) |
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| 07:56.51 | SpeedEvil | np. |
| 07:58.50 | duffyd | anyone here running something like python sqlalchemy with say django/TurboGears on there phone |
| 07:59.03 | duffyd | I wanna have a basic sqlite db and some simple frontend |
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| 08:02.20 | ScaredyCat | sqlite is in oe .. |
| 08:03.12 | duffyd | ScaredyCat: oh really, cool |
| 08:03.37 | duffyd | ScaredyCat: s'pose I can just compile sqlalchemy myself |
| 08:04.51 | josch | duffyd, i dont know sqlalchemy but maybe someone can write a bb recepy for you |
| 08:06.00 | ScaredyCat | ... mysql is in my repo too .. if you want that :) |
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| 08:07.15 | josch | duffyd, if you only want to do some quick benchmarks maybe debian is an option because there you have all the dev tools at hand - if it works there fast enough you can still have someone doing a bb for it and putting into oe |
| 08:07.40 | duffyd | josch: k, thanks |
| 08:08.38 | josch | on om you dont have gcc, you only have busybox, you dont have man... i prefer debian on my neo to do the dev work - just yesterday i compiled the sphinx search engine there |
| 08:09.37 | duffyd | mmm appears to be in oe already: http://projects.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-commits/2007-December/010672.html |
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| 08:25.55 | duffyd | hey finally the addresses have come through on the phone!!!! |
| 08:25.56 | duffyd | yay |
| 08:26.54 | duffyd | Marcel_M: ping |
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| 08:32.41 | ScaredyCat | have the mailing lists died ? |
| 08:33.05 | josch | ScaredyCat, seems so... |
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| 08:40.30 | duffyd | interesting..I can boot the nand image using a nokia bl-5c battery but can't boot the sdcard image |
| 08:40.38 | duffyd | does that require more battery power? |
| 08:40.56 | josch | duffyd, lol really? |
| 08:41.20 | josch | duffyd, mine boots fine with bl5c, bl6c and 3rd party nokia batteries |
| 08:43.07 | duffyd | josch: even the sdcard? |
| 08:43.13 | josch | aye |
| 08:43.19 | duffyd | mmm strange |
| 08:43.23 | josch | i never boot flash :P |
| 08:43.33 | duffyd | :P |
| 08:43.36 | josch | well I boot kernel from flash but rootfs is on sd |
| 08:43.45 | duffyd | josch: how do you do that? |
| 08:43.52 | josch | ?? |
| 08:43.53 | duffyd | don't have enough OM foo |
| 08:44.05 | josch | well I have no other option |
| 08:44.11 | josch | uboot cannot boot from sdhc |
| 08:44.19 | duffyd | oh really |
| 08:44.26 | duffyd | doh, that may be where I've been going wrong |
| 08:44.31 | duffyd | lol |
| 08:44.34 | josch | so I have the kernel on flash but let uboot tell the kernel that it should take the rootfs from sdhc |
| 08:44.46 | josch | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD |
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| 08:44.49 | duffyd | ahhh, now things are starting to make sense |
| 08:44.53 | josch | everything i know i learned there |
| 08:45.00 | duffyd | cool |
| 08:46.18 | duffyd | it boots! |
| 08:46.21 | duffyd | using the nokia battery |
| 08:47.44 | duffyd | now I'm truly *mobile* |
| 08:47.49 | duffyd | sad but true |
| 08:48.19 | duffyd | reduced to carrying a spare battery that is |
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| 09:10.02 | ScaredyCat | points duffyd @ http://blog.automated.it/2008/03/08/how-long-does-yours-stay-up/ |
| 09:10.50 | duffyd | ScaredyCat: yeah I've seen that but don't have the money to buy one of those at mo' |
| 09:11.58 | ScaredyCat | I was wondering if someone like SpeedEvil could build something like that in the shape of the neo with a tiny cable so that it could be attached to the back of the neo |
| 09:13.17 | SpeedEvil | I have something much better. |
| 09:13.29 | SpeedEvil | I have a car battery, a 5V regulator, and some duct tape. |
| 09:13.32 | ScaredyCat | hippo pr0n? |
| 09:14.00 | ScaredyCat | SpeedEvil: You'll need a rucksack |
| 09:14.26 | SpeedEvil | Naah. It is carried by minions. |
| 09:14.40 | josch | or maybe the car battery is still in the car ^^ |
| 09:16.03 | SpeedEvil | I used it to do some long-term averages of GPS position - around a day - in a clear to the sky spot. |
| 09:16.35 | SpeedEvil | was easier than gettinng a AC lead. |
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| 09:27.50 | cb22 | freerunner is out! .... this month hopefully |
| 09:29.34 | duffyd | great |
| 09:34.56 | ScaredyCat | it's out now! |
| 09:35.12 | ScaredyCat | points to the date |
| 09:35.41 | duffyd | are you sure? |
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| 09:36.44 | ScaredyCat | about the date? |
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| 09:40.41 | duffyd | no, about it being released already ;) |
| 09:41.03 | josch | lol freerunner released this month?? nevva!! |
| 09:41.14 | josch | url or it didnt happen |
| 09:41.35 | ScaredyCat | http://127.0.0.1/freerunner-out-today.html |
| 09:41.36 | maroi | josch, today! |
| 09:41.56 | josch | ScaredyCat, are you shure about this url? |
| 09:42.03 | duffyd | josch: lol |
| 09:42.05 | josch | ^^ |
| 09:42.28 | ScaredyCat | ~lart eveyone |
| 09:42.28 | apt | eats eveyone's liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti |
| 09:42.32 | ScaredyCat | every |
| 09:42.41 | josch | did you know: they also released duke nukem today! |
| 09:42.55 | maroi | haha :D |
| 09:42.58 | ScaredyCat | yes, free copy with the freerunner |
| 09:44.12 | josch | ScaredyCat, you dont believe me? http://127.0.0.1/duke_sold_with_freerunner.html |
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| 09:46.20 | ScaredyCat | next thing we know raster will be telling us he's completed the new keyboard |
| 09:46.36 | josch | it's a qwerty one isnt it? |
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| 09:48.03 | ScaredyCat | it's a anything you want one... uses a config |
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| 09:48.38 | josch | is it in an svn repo anywhere? |
| 09:49.11 | ScaredyCat | no |
| 09:49.15 | ScaredyCat | he's not completed it |
| 09:49.15 | josch | :-/ |
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| 09:57.47 | cb22 | hell, things could get so crazy today, the mailing lists might even start to work |
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| 10:05.33 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03rob * r4289 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-wifi/ (ChangeLog src/openmoko-panel-wifi.c): (log message trimmed) |
| 10:05.34 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 2008-04-01 Rob Bradford <rob@openedhand.com> |
| 10:05.34 | CIA-17 | openmoko: * src/openmoko-panel-wifi.c: (wifi_applet_is_wireless_available), |
| 10:05.34 | CIA-17 | openmoko: (wifi_applet_update_visibility), (wifi_applet_weak_notify_cb), |
| 10:05.34 | CIA-17 | openmoko: (wifi_applet_timeout_cb), (mb_panel_applet_create): |
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| 10:05.37 | CIA-17 | openmoko: Poll every 5 seconds for the state of the wifi radio. It would be |
| 10:05.39 | CIA-17 | openmoko: nicer to be notified rather than needing to poll. This uses the |
| 10:12.35 | duffyd | i'm off cu all |
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| 10:35.17 | lundi | does anyone know if it's possible to access the raw GPS data with the antaris chip in GTA02? |
| 10:35.34 | cb22 | 11:48 < josch> is it in an svn repo anywhere? |
| 10:35.34 | cb22 | 11:49 < ScaredyCat> no |
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| 10:36.14 | josch | cb22, ?? |
| 10:36.37 | josch | lundi, i only have a gta01 but i think there is a serial device that outputs nmea |
| 10:37.46 | lundi | according to the specs of the antaris it should be possible to use their proprietory protocol over the serial device as well |
| 10:38.03 | lundi | but i don't know if the firmware allows it... |
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| 10:44.03 | emdete | lundi: sounds interesting but who wants these data? ;) |
| 10:45.41 | lundi | emdete: everyone trying to get sub-meter GPS-accuracy out of your neo (as i would love to :o) |
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| 10:51.45 | lundi | apparantly there were some people working on this for the GTA01 but as the GPS chip changed for 02 these works have stalled - anybody still interested in working on precise GPS measurements with the GTA02? |
| 10:52.51 | ScaredyCat | lundi: speak to SpeedEvil.. he knows about htis stuff |
| 10:53.42 | nexus10 | hi - I'm tracking Community_Updates for changes, is there another feed that will tell me as soon as GTA02 is available? I don't want to find it's sold out... |
| 10:53.54 | lundi | ScaredyCat: thanks for the hint |
| 10:54.18 | ScaredyCat | afaik he was one of the ones working on that project... |
| 10:54.47 | ScaredyCat | the problem is, as you say, that the chip is different... so any work only benefits a few people. |
| 10:54.54 | ScaredyCat | ie those that have an 01 |
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| 10:56.34 | lundi | yes i see |
| 10:57.12 | nexus10 | (I'm also subscribed to http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/announce -- hope that's going to be sufficient to beat the rush!) |
| 10:57.15 | josch | ScaredyCat, you know how far they came? |
| 11:01.18 | ScaredyCat | no, not really.. I don't htink too far, as I say speak to SpeedEvil... |
| 11:01.39 | lundi | josch: I think the work pretty much stopped after getting gllin to output NMEA data |
| 11:03.05 | cb22 | josch: wtf, i copied and pasted that by accident, sorry |
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| 11:03.29 | emdete | lundi: for now nmea is enough for me... there is much more missing than accuracy ;) |
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| 11:05.58 | abraxa__ | nexus10: Also, keep an eye on http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/production-testing/ |
| 11:06.24 | nexus10 | abraxa__: great, tx |
| 11:06.48 | cb22 | abraxa__: oooh, insider info! |
| 11:07.57 | abraxa__ | I'm innocent :) |
| 11:11.32 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: I stalled due to a combination of personal and work reasons (most work reasons), and the USB driver is annoying to add the notifiers to ;-) |
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| 11:16.36 | loufoque | the FreeRunner is gonna be released this month! |
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| 11:17.10 | loufoque | april fools' |
| 11:17.45 | abraxa__ | watches loufoque get slaughtered by the masses |
| 11:18.31 | ScaredyCat | points out that loufoque is only a few hours later than everyone else who tried that... |
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| 12:18.30 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r123 10/trunk/software/pyneod/ (Makefile pygpsd.py pygsmd.py pyneod.ini pypppd.py pypwrd.py): |
| 12:18.30 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: various cleanups in names & logging |
| 12:18.30 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: status block for signals have default values now |
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| 12:21.45 | josch | hehe - the decision concering ooxml is released tomorrow instead of today... |
| 12:22.13 | josch | may i guess that this is because somebody could think about it as an aprils fools joke? :-D |
| 12:23.34 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03john_lee * r4290 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-wifi/data/Wifi.png: |
| 12:23.34 | CIA-17 | openmoko: Use the png file from Will. |
| 12:23.34 | CIA-17 | openmoko: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1287 |
| 12:23.47 | DPThough1 | josch: was it at any time more than a practical joke on the world? |
| 12:24.44 | DPThough1 | not my sense of humor, but one of the only ways it makes sense to me |
| 12:25.06 | josch | yeah! lets begin an ooxml discussion! |
| 12:25.38 | josch | well it defaced m$, it defaced iso, it defaced several standard bodies in the different countries... |
| 12:26.06 | josch | in the end it will deface m$ even more because they dont even comply to it now - imagine what they do in two years |
| 12:27.01 | DPThough1 | sometimes reality provides the best jokes |
| 12:27.06 | josch | if ooxml could only be simple, valid xml!! |
| 12:27.28 | francesco_ | helo there |
| 12:27.35 | francesco_ | the question of the day is ... |
| 12:27.51 | josch | when will the duke arrive? |
| 12:27.52 | francesco_ | how do I get to have a minimal installation of openmoko ? |
| 12:28.05 | josch | whut?? openmoko IS minimal isnt it? |
| 12:28.13 | josch | francesco_, how minimal do you want it to be? |
| 12:28.15 | francesco_ | no matchbox |
| 12:28.21 | josch | why? |
| 12:29.13 | francesco_ | I'd like to worki on it from scratch |
| 12:29.21 | josch | hehe |
| 12:29.25 | DPThought | francesco_: flash the kernel and you are done |
| 12:29.28 | josch | what would you like to accomplish? |
| 12:29.38 | DPThought | ;) |
| 12:30.13 | josch | without matchbox and the gtk apps i think it's no longer openmoko - you can use any oe distro then |
| 12:30.39 | josch | you can even flash an entirely other minimal os |
| 12:30.49 | josch | debian for instance :P |
| 12:32.14 | francesco_ | yep I saw the hype 'bout debian |
| 12:32.43 | josch | hehe |
| 12:32.57 | josch | francesco_, gentoo also worked |
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| 12:33.11 | josch | I would assume you may install anything that compiles for arm eabi |
| 12:33.44 | josch | well gentoo might be not the best os for flash devices... :P |
| 12:34.13 | avtobiff | debian maybe |
| 12:34.17 | avtobiff | or possibly emdebian |
| 12:34.31 | DPThought | votes for OE :) |
| 12:34.43 | francesco_ | my intention is to modify the MokoMake to build something with ssh, xlibs and little more |
| 12:35.17 | josch | francesco_, maybe you should dive into how to do a oe distribution |
| 12:35.39 | josch | francesco_, i assume it being no big deal to remove all the things to like from the build tasks on oe |
| 12:35.55 | josch | but you have to ask another one which file to take - was a long time ago i did this |
| 12:41.25 | francesco_ | are there some guides for making a porting ? |
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| 12:53.33 | SpeedEvil | you can tell OE to include or declude anything |
| 12:55.41 | cb22 | s/de/ex/ |
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| 12:56.41 | Sup3rkiddo | hi all |
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| 13:03.05 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r124 10/trunk/software/py-odeviced/ (6 files in 2 dirs): add skeleton for py-odeviced |
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| 13:06.47 | ScaredyCat | declude - are you making words up SpeedEvil? |
| 13:07.15 | josch | non native but isnt it exclude? :P |
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| 13:09.50 | SpeedEvil | Meh. |
| 13:10.03 | SpeedEvil | gets to make stuff up. |
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| 13:13.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1313 has been created by kevin(AT)foreverdean.info |
| 13:13.01 | cdbot2 | * * GTA01 POWER button does nothing after resume |
| 13:13.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1313 |
| 13:13.10 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1312 has been created by kevin(AT)foreverdean.info |
| 13:13.12 | cdbot2 | * * No way to remove tracks from a playlist |
| 13:13.14 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1312 |
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| 13:17.05 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r125 10/trunk/software/pyneod/pygsmd.py: removed typo |
| 13:17.14 | slytherin | hi all, am I the only one to think that qemu based simulator very slow? |
| 13:17.21 | josch | slytherin, no ^^ |
| 13:18.05 | slytherin | josch: Thanks. I felt that it was slow to the point of being unusable. Even ona amachine with 1.6 GHz processor and 700 MB RAM |
| 13:18.36 | slytherin | josch: any idea if there is anything being done for speed improvement? |
| 13:18.56 | josch | slytherin, of course! |
| 13:19.02 | josch | buy a freerunner! :P |
| 13:20.02 | slytherin | josch: can't afford it. :-( The ease cost itself is too much for me. And I don't know how much delivery cost will be for me |
| 13:20.30 | josch | slytherin, why do you need speed? what do you do? |
| 13:21.19 | slytherin | josch: I didn't do anything. I just was looking at interface. But it was taking too long to respond |
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| 13:29.43 | keitsi | I also found the qemu interface to be slow, even on my 2.6GHz quadcore. how fast is a real freerunner? |
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| 13:30.37 | josch | keitsi, hard to say - you have to use a real one yourself |
| 13:31.00 | keitsi | compared to a random Nokia phone for example? |
| 13:33.40 | Sup3rkiddo | keitsi, its kinda expected..freerunner has a different processor altogether....so x86 -> arm is sucky |
| 13:34.48 | mjr | probably the gta01 is slightly faster than your box |
| 13:34.49 | kdean06 | keitsi, My Neo is signifigantly faster than Qemu but it's still pretty slow (though... It's not because the phone is slow but because there's bloat). |
| 13:34.59 | mjr | (qemu doesn't parallelize) |
| 13:35.42 | ScaredyCat | suggests kdean06 modify the gtk theme ;) |
| 13:36.21 | kdean06 | ScaredyCat, GTK theme doesn't cut a 3 minute boot time. :) |
| 13:36.43 | kdean06 | I've actually been meaning to use your theme, BTW. I don't like the looks, but I'm a fan of speed. |
| 13:36.45 | cb22 | woah, and the mails come through.... |
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| 13:38.47 | cb22 | 42 applications |
| 13:40.12 | ScaredyCat | 3 minutes? wtf |
| 13:40.37 | keitsi | it was something like that also for me |
| 13:41.15 | keitsi | boot time doesn't disturb me much though |
| 13:41.31 | keitsi | just don't turn it off :) |
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| 13:44.33 | ScaredyCat | my hpone boots <2 mins... |
| 13:44.35 | ScaredyCat | phone |
| 13:44.38 | ScaredyCat | neo |
| 13:45.09 | ScaredyCat | one of the guys I work with has a nokia 9300i and it's not that much slower |
| 13:45.16 | DPThought | same here. It's long. Awfully long. But not 3 min |
| 13:45.54 | kdean06 | ScaredyCat, How are you measuring that? |
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| 13:46.24 | SpeedEvil | that's not first boot is it? |
| 13:46.48 | kdean06 | Oh, sorry... Yeah, first boot = 3, second = a few shy of 2 |
| 13:47.23 | ScaredyCat | well, ok, but the first boot is.. wll the first boot after a reflash, that doesn't count |
| 13:47.52 | SpeedEvil | In principle, we don't care. |
| 13:48.02 | keitsi | ok, my boot time is exactly 1m 23 seconds |
| 13:48.03 | SpeedEvil | But we need the PM work to get to that point. |
| 13:48.08 | keitsi | on qemu |
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| 13:48.47 | ScaredyCat | I agree SpeedEvil - get pm sorted so we dont need to reboot... |
| 13:48.52 | ScaredyCat | or power down |
| 13:49.24 | ScaredyCat | kdean06: you can also change the colours in the theme :) |
| 13:49.39 | Sup3rkiddo | cb22, GSoC? |
| 13:49.45 | Sup3rkiddo | applications? |
| 13:49.57 | kdean06 | Yeah, okay, I'll not count the reflash (though it's actually my most common boot, but I'm well aware I'm not normal :) ) but 2 minutes is still pretty high. I've seen 30 seconds as the target which would be insane - my wife's neo-RAZR takes about 50 seconds. |
| 13:50.00 | ScaredyCat | is pm a GSoc goal? |
| 13:50.17 | Sup3rkiddo | whats pm? |
| 13:50.23 | ScaredyCat | power management |
| 13:50.34 | Sup3rkiddo | ScaredyCat, i have applied it as part of mine |
| 13:50.40 | ScaredyCat | kdean06: right, boot times need to be compared to smart phones |
| 13:50.45 | Stephmw | pm is pretty pointless until the software stack is more stable |
| 13:50.50 | ScaredyCat | Sup3rkiddo: good :D |
| 13:51.28 | Sup3rkiddo | ScaredyCat, only that mickeyl is happily skiing down under and i have no idea if my application is goos enough |
| 13:51.38 | ScaredyCat | What! |
| 13:51.43 | ScaredyCat | he's on holiday? |
| 13:51.54 | Sup3rkiddo | heard he is on vacation |
| 13:52.04 | josch | he is |
| 13:52.06 | ScaredyCat | did someone tell you that today? |
| 13:52.07 | josch | in austria |
| 13:52.09 | kdean06 | If suspend gets fixed the idea of turning off the phone might go *poof*. That would be very nice. |
| 13:52.17 | Sup3rkiddo | oh lol..austria |
| 13:52.19 | Sup3rkiddo | :P |
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| 13:52.33 | ScaredyCat | ~lart Sup3rkiddo |
| 13:52.33 | apt | takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in Sup3rkiddo's direction, hitting Sup3rkiddo and sending Sup3rkiddo flying into the closet |
| 13:52.52 | Sup3rkiddo | :X |
| 13:52.53 | ScaredyCat | austria is a little closer too |
| 13:52.59 | Sup3rkiddo | yeah..! |
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| 13:53.43 | zedstar_ | so the nokia tablet is gonna get wimax? is wimax available anywhere in europe right now? |
| 13:53.53 | ScaredyCat | yeah, I've never had suspend working properly kdean06 :( |
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| 13:55.14 | cb22 | Sup3rkiddo: yepp |
| 13:55.25 | kdean06 | Nor have I. |
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| 13:55.36 | kdean06 | Greetings raster |
| 13:55.46 | ScaredyCat | keyboard keyboard keyboard keyboard keyboard keyboard keyboard keyboard keyboard keyboard keyboard |
| 13:55.55 | ScaredyCat | oh, hello raster.. |
| 13:55.56 | ScaredyCat | :P |
| 13:55.59 | raster | ScaredyCat: svn svn svn |
| 13:56.01 | raster | :) |
| 13:56.07 | cb22 | mushroom mushroom... |
| 13:56.19 | ScaredyCat | badger badger badger |
| 13:56.27 | ScaredyCat | oooooh it's a snaaaake |
| 13:56.29 | cb22 | svn svn oh no its svn |
| 13:56.29 | abraxa_ | mushroom mushroom |
| 13:56.33 | ScaredyCat | s it in svn then? |
| 13:56.35 | monkeyiq | cornflakes! </viv> |
| 13:56.38 | josch | svn!! |
| 13:56.44 | josch | url oor it didnt happen |
| 13:56.53 | Sup3rkiddo | cb22, wow |
| 13:56.58 | ScaredyCat | http://127.0.0.1/freerunner-out-today.html |
| 13:57.26 | keitsi | almost got me |
| 13:57.35 | monkeyiq | 404 I tells ya |
| 13:57.37 | cb22 | http://127.0.0.1/raster-releases-keyboard.html |
| 13:57.37 | monkeyiq | runs |
| 13:57.54 | cb22 | svn @ svn+ssh://localhost |
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| 13:58.45 | monkeyiq | http://127.0.0.1/pants.html is a worry when your!@home |
| 13:59.52 | kdean06 | abraxa_, ScaredyCat cb22 Thanks... I'm going to have that stuck in my head all day now. :( |
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| 14:01.55 | ScaredyCat | badger |
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| 14:02.23 | abraxa_ | kdean06: Our pleasure =D |
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| 14:04.15 | ScaredyCat | raster: have you given your keyboard some twtty name or is it called 'keyboard' |
| 14:04.32 | ScaredyCat | ie is it called diversity-nav ? |
| 14:04.37 | jadams_ | I just want a scap for the kb |
| 14:05.10 | summatusmentis | so, I gather raster is working on a keyboard then? |
| 14:05.35 | jadams_ | I've only been guessing from ScaredyCat's ceaseless chatter |
| 14:05.38 | raster | ScaredyCat: its part of illume |
| 14:05.44 | francesco_ | I'm back, thx all answered my questions ... I got a new odd one |
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| 14:05.56 | summatusmentis | are there screenshots for it raster ? |
| 14:05.58 | Sup3rkiddo | hey, whos going to mars with google |
| 14:06.00 | raster | no |
| 14:06.13 | raster | dont have time to do that |
| 14:06.33 | francesco_ | What is the package that builds the rootfs inside Mokomake dir ? |
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| 14:07.21 | ScaredyCat | ~fish jadams_ |
| 14:07.22 | apt | ACTION slaps jadams_ around with a large trout |
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| 14:08.20 | Sup3rkiddo | raster, more like you will tooo old...muhaha |
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| 14:11.46 | xaid|work | A screenshot of the work-in-progress keyboard would be great :) |
| 14:12.24 | ScaredyCat | naa then he' actually have to start a copy of photoshop... |
| 14:13.23 | ScaredyCat | and 'render' some 'actual screenshots' of the 'nearly done' keyboard... |
| 14:13.32 | ScaredyCat | giggles and runa away... |
| 14:13.51 | xaid|work | :) |
| 14:14.00 | abraxa_ | ScaredyCat: No, ScaredyCat, it won't get rendered. It gets rasterized :) |
| 14:14.12 | ScaredyCat | heh |
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| 14:15.42 | Sup3rkiddo | he must be pretty pissed off at you guys...shame on you :s |
| 14:16.30 | raster | Sup3rkiddo: will too old? |
| 14:16.43 | raster | xaid|work: it looks like a... qwerty kbd. |
| 14:16.49 | raster | theres nothing interesting about it currently |
| 14:16.57 | raster | and the theme looks like arse as i havent put any effort into it |
| 14:17.36 | SpeedEvil | openmoko-se! |
| 14:18.07 | raster | i need to fix it so it resizes apps when the kbd is up (or down) (ie re-does layout) |
| 14:18.12 | Sup3rkiddo | raster, will "be"...:S |
| 14:18.13 | raster | and add a manual bringup/shutdown |
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| 14:18.17 | raster | and a layout selector |
| 14:18.34 | raster | then i can add the clikc+drag zoom thing |
| 14:18.45 | raster | THEN i can work on prediction/correction |
| 14:19.09 | SpeedEvil | And speech recognition. |
| 14:19.11 | DPThought | will the illume stuff run on neo or will only freerunner be fast enough? |
| 14:20.28 | zash | llama! |
| 14:20.35 | abraxa_ | raster: As I understand it, we need to send candy to bribe you to continue? ;) |
| 14:20.53 | Stephmw | is Candy the girl's name? |
| 14:21.02 | abraxa_ | lol |
| 14:21.13 | abraxa_ | Good call, Stephmw |
| 14:21.52 | raster | DPThought: it works faster on the gta01 |
| 14:21.53 | raster | :) |
| 14:21.59 | ScaredyCat | yes, but he added the C after the sex change |
| 14:22.16 | raster | Stephmw: i accept bribes in the form of "candy"'s :) |
| 14:22.20 | Stephmw | ScaredyCat: in more ways than one... |
| 14:22.27 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 14:23.16 | DPThought | raster: *g* Great answer. :) I guess i need to use it even it is slow, it's just too cool. |
| 14:23.37 | raster | its very mu7ch a WIP |
| 14:23.45 | raster | i kep getting distracted into other things |
| 14:23.51 | SpeedEvil | All we need is to add nice smooth slow animation, so the user doesn't notice teh delay, as it's pretty! |
| 14:23.52 | raster | i may have to drop it to do x driver work soon |
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| 14:25.32 | Stephmw | SpeedEvil: that perceived improvement can only get you so far though, it's a good first iteration |
| 14:26.15 | summatusmentis | wtf? I built an entire image, and now qemu won't run |
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| 14:36.37 | SpeedEvil | Oh - at one point tehre was a 'commitment' that the next version - now freerunner - woul dhave 3.5mm stereo jack. Is it still 2.5mm? |
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| 14:45.15 | abraxa_ | SpeedEvil: Still 2.5mm |
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| 14:47.29 | summatusmentis | is there something different about 2.5mm and 3.5mm, aside from the size of the hole? One doesn't need a different connection or anything do they? |
| 14:49.00 | abraxa_ | summatusmentis: The 2.5mm jack has 3 rings on the Neo, as far as I'm aware (but don't quote me on it) |
| 14:49.22 | summatusmentis | abraxa_: umm... 3 rings? |
| 14:49.34 | abraxa_ | Some cameras use 2.5mm plugs for left/right/composite signals |
| 14:49.55 | abraxa_ | So maybe 3 rings has become standard for 2.5mm, no idea |
| 14:49.59 | summatusmentis | ok, so what you're saying is that it's not really different? |
| 14:50.17 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r126 10/trunk/software/py-odeviced/README: py-odeviced: add README |
| 14:51.54 | abraxa_ | summatusmentis: Yeah, just that with some converters you might only have one channel |
| 14:52.02 | abraxa_ | (if it has 3 rings, that is) |
| 14:52.07 | summatusmentis | oh, ok |
| 14:52.23 | summatusmentis | so then, is there reasoning for not upgrading to 3.5mm? |
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| 14:55.08 | SpeedEvil | It's four rings |
| 14:55.10 | maroi | iirc the tip is microphone, first ring left/right second ring right/left and third ring is ground, the same would be possible with 3.5mm but its bigger but you'll find adapters |
| 14:55.14 | SpeedEvil | one is mic/switch |
| 14:55.33 | summatusmentis | I see |
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| 14:55.39 | summatusmentis | hey, I've gotta go, I'll be around later |
| 14:56.14 | maroi | as far as i now there are adapters from nokia or some other mobilephone company available |
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| 14:56.34 | SpeedEvil | _many_ |
| 14:56.38 | SpeedEvil | cheap on ebay |
| 14:56.44 | maroi | jep.. |
| 14:56.55 | SpeedEvil | however - the problem is that a converter doesn't really work well |
| 14:57.06 | SpeedEvil | Either it's rigid, and rips the socket off the PCB. |
| 14:57.20 | SpeedEvil | Or it's flexible, and is another thing to lose. |
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| 14:58.32 | maroi | the second one is no problem, if its something like 20cm you can loose it but it doesnt annoy you, imho. |
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| 15:06.35 | cb22 | 16:57 < SpeedEvil> Or it's flexible, and is another thing to lose. |
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| 15:07.06 | SpeedEvil | BT headphones are probably the right way to go. |
| 15:07.36 | SpeedEvil | I want some BT headphones with a HID device on. |
| 15:08.06 | cb22 | wtf |
| 15:08.13 | cb22 | i have a copy and paste issue :( |
| 15:12.41 | ScaredyCat | cb22: well, you have a paste issue |
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| 15:29.39 | cb22 | is touching halogen lamps really that evil? |
| 15:30.34 | emdete | cb22: i've heard the sweat of your fingers destroys the glas |
| 15:30.39 | ScaredyCat | iirc it only applies to unprotected |
| 15:30.40 | wurp2 | Does anyone know a) if there's a way to ask the GSM to tell you what cell towers & signal strengths it sees right now |
| 15:30.41 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 15:30.42 | ScaredyCat | ones |
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| 15:30.52 | emdete | wurp2: shure |
| 15:30.54 | SpeedEvil | wurp2 cb22 |
| 15:30.56 | wurp2 | or b) how often it gives that information if you have the monitoring turned on |
| 15:31.07 | wurp2 | Yah, emdete is on :-) |
| 15:31.08 | SpeedEvil | at%em1 |
| 15:31.11 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: 2 birds 1 stone |
| 15:31.20 | cb22 | emdete: yeah, thats what i heard |
| 15:31.47 | wurp2 | I didn't realize any of the AT cmds had % in them! |
| 15:31.56 | SpeedEvil | the oil causes problems when next heated. If cleaned before, it's ok |
| 15:32.02 | nibbler_de | wurp2: http://cryptome.org/ti-calypso1.pdf |
| 15:32.04 | wurp2 | or should that be + |
| 15:32.06 | cb22 | ah ok |
| 15:32.09 | wurp2 | nibbler_de: Thanks! |
| 15:32.15 | nibbler_de | also http://cryptome.org/ti-calypso2.pdf |
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| 15:32.31 | cb22 | btw, is it possible to tweak which base station it connects to? |
| 15:32.36 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 15:32.38 | cb22 | my motorola e398 in em could do that |
| 15:32.59 | cb22 | (don't leave current cell unless no signal) or supposidly could do it |
| 15:33.02 | SpeedEvil | at least not without firmware hacksd |
| 15:33.55 | cb22 | the e398 has been hacked nice |
| 15:34.04 | cb22 | elf loader :D |
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| 15:35.38 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: Google doesn't know about any AT.EM1... |
| 15:36.52 | DPThought | Neo Pocky lol |
| 15:37.14 | cb22 | DPThought: http://mine.icanhascheezburger.com/View.aspx?ciid=880127 |
| 15:37.14 | thos | any thoughts? http://folks.o-hand.com/thomas/moko-theme-brand-new/ |
| 15:37.31 | cb22 | goodie, a url that doesnt start with http://127.0.0.1! |
| 15:38.15 | cb22 | revives his gold e398 |
| 15:39.19 | emdete | wurp2: have you seen http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA01_gsm_modem ? |
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| 15:41.36 | wurp2 | Wow, no I hadn't |
| 15:41.57 | wurp2 | Which is weird because I've searched the wiki many times for gsm |
| 15:42.18 | emdete | wurp2: me too.. someone had to tell me also. |
| 15:42.23 | cb22 | would a 3.3v line from a psu be enough to take the place of a 3.6v battery? |
| 15:42.27 | DPThought | thos: slick, but i'm not sure it would be a imprevement to the current theme. Just different. :) |
| 15:42.38 | wurp2 | That's perfect |
| 15:42.46 | thos | DPThought, what you can't see is that it's 1000x faster |
| 15:42.51 | wurp2 | I'm going to build a little crutch app that monitors for gsm going offline & starts it back up |
| 15:43.04 | emdete | wurp2: more or less. it doesnt work as wonderful here as in the wiki. |
| 15:43.17 | DPThought | thos: i like the gradients and the glossy look. But i guess it depends on how much it is faster. :) |
| 15:43.25 | wurp2 | And I thought while I was at it I would record dated info about cell id & strength, possibly to use to construct a cell map using timed gps data |
| 15:43.28 | wurp2 | heh |
| 15:43.40 | SpeedEvil | cb22: in what case? |
| 15:44.05 | thos | DPThought, the problem with gradiants are that they are slow and look bad on a 16bit display without dithering |
| 15:44.15 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: replacing a phone's lion battery with power directly from a psu |
| 15:44.16 | thos | DPThought, and dithering causes further performance loss |
| 15:44.23 | SpeedEvil | cb22: ys |
| 15:45.02 | cb22 | also, on a normal phone, if you could execute native code with all no restrictions, could you rule the world x)? |
| 15:45.07 | mwester | cb22: Almost. There are a number of issues - first, that's 10% low - things should function but it would be better to be at 3.5 or so. Also, a battery has very low impedance, so you must take care to ensure you can provide current that matches (i.e. short, thick leads, perhaps a capacitor near the phone itself). |
| 15:45.17 | SpeedEvil | mwester: not - it's not |
| 15:45.24 | SpeedEvil | mwester: 3.3 is within the normal range |
| 15:45.39 | mwester | Of a partially-discharged battery, it is. |
| 15:45.57 | SpeedEvil | mew: admittedly - it's about 10% charge. |
| 15:46.13 | playya | how would the participants of SoC be imformed that they are accepted? |
| 15:46.19 | DPThought | thos: i was getting used to the performance. But knowing it could be much faster without the looks maybe changes that. I would say, shipt it with the fast theme and if someone likes to pimp his phone he can choos the more complex one. I guess this will be possible> |
| 15:46.55 | DPThought | s/>/? |
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| 15:47.43 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: I just wrote http://www.mauve.plus.com/gsmlog for you. |
| 15:48.15 | SpeedEvil | In reality - it was a few months ago |
| 15:48.31 | SpeedEvil | at%EM=2,3 was the command actually |
| 15:48.37 | SpeedEvil | it spews lots of info |
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| 15:50.15 | SpeedEvil | general format is columns of numbers - one column per cell |
| 15:50.32 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: Awesome, thanks! After emdete pointed me to that gsm modem page, I saw the AT%EM= series of commands |
| 15:51.08 | wurp2 | I sent in a patch to SettingsGui to use the new alsa config |
| 15:51.24 | wurp2 | (sent it to Kristian and ScaredyCat). I didn't get any response. Does anyone know Kristian? |
| 15:51.59 | wurp2 | It's a trivial patch, but w/o it SG doesn't work on any release starting March 1 or os |
| 15:52.03 | wurp2 | s/ os/ so/ |
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| 15:54.33 | ScaredyCat | huh? wah? wasup? |
| 15:55.04 | thos | DPThought, something like that yeah |
| 15:55.18 | thos | ScaredyCat, I stole your colours and made a theme with it |
| 15:57.37 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: Just mentioning that I didn't get a response from Kristian about the SettingsGui patch (or you, but I know that you know that I know that you saw it) |
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| 16:02.11 | jadams_ | thos, what about the theme that ScaredyCat uses? Same slowdown? |
| 16:02.20 | jadams_ | it looks way better than those screenshots |
| 16:02.42 | thos | jadams_, well, ScaredyCat uses the default GTK+ theme |
| 16:03.01 | thos | jadams_, you have to imagine that running on the device, a 1px border is not going to cut it |
| 16:03.07 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r127 10/trunk/software/pyneod/ (pyggld.py pygsmd.py): using correct types for fields in response & signal maps |
| 16:03.28 | jadams_ | ? I'm running ScaredyCat's image on my device, so I don't understand |
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| 16:04.15 | thos | jadams_, if you like it, good :-) |
| 16:04.28 | jadams_ | thos, ok :) |
| 16:04.30 | thos | does he include his theme by default now? |
| 16:04.35 | jadams_ | on his image |
| 16:04.36 | ScaredyCat | he does |
| 16:04.41 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 16:04.43 | jadams_ | it's gorgeous |
| 16:04.49 | jadams_ | much nicer than the default theme imo |
| 16:04.49 | ScaredyCat | where's yours thos? |
| 16:04.54 | jadams_ | and I liked the default one |
| 16:05.12 | ScaredyCat | evn the boot screens :) |
| 16:05.48 | thos | jadams_, my idea is that without some of the extra lines and borders, it can provide a cleaner appearance |
| 16:05.49 | jadams_ | the cat on the shutdown screen is funny |
| 16:06.03 | jadams_ | thos: you should run ScaredyCat's theme for comparison's sake, because it's awesome |
| 16:06.11 | ScaredyCat | my colleague calls those 'egoware' |
| 16:06.13 | thos | jadams_, I already did |
| 16:06.19 | jadams_ | shuts his mouth |
| 16:07.02 | thos | jadams_, I'm suprised that so many people like it, since people are always eager to berate the default GKT+ theme |
| 16:07.17 | thos | personally I do rather like the "retro win 95" feel to it |
| 16:09.16 | wurp2 | thos: Wash your mouth out! |
| 16:09.38 | ScaredyCat | OS/2 Warp ftw! |
| 16:09.39 | ScaredyCat | :P |
| 16:09.42 | wurp2 | hah |
| 16:09.53 | wurp2 | My first two development jobs were primarily on Warp |
| 16:10.56 | wurp2 | Including supporting diesel mechanics in the field, who maintained the desktop machines that semi drivers synced their tablet pcs through |
| 16:11.11 | wurp2 | I'm pretty sure if you woke me with a 2am call I could tell you how to reboot an OS/2 box using the keyboard |
| 16:12.33 | zedstar_ | i really liked the OS/2 gui at the time |
| 16:14.04 | zedstar_ | what ever happened to OS/2? |
| 16:14.15 | ScaredyCat | it was crap and died |
| 16:14.16 | wurp2 | Windows NT happened to OS/2 |
| 16:14.45 | DPThought | plain gtk like default non gnome/kde enivoronments give you makes my nails curl up (just my 2 eurocents) |
| 16:15.14 | ScaredyCat | you'll like what I did then ;) |
| 16:16.46 | ScaredyCat | wonders if jadams_ even noticed that the build string does actually change on the x startup screen .. |
| 16:18.08 | DPThought | zedstar_: like alomost everything microsoft was involved in, technology was irrelevant for success. :) |
| 16:18.51 | DPThought | zedstar_: some strange thing called 'the marked' made it disapear |
| 16:19.33 | zedstar_ | was miles better user experience than NT or windows whatever [tm] at the time |
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| 16:39.48 | ScaredyCat | mmmmm......... |
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| 16:43.26 | ScaredyCat | anyone else get different dates on their modem firmware |
| 16:43.27 | ScaredyCat | ? |
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| 16:55.10 | Moniker42 | you know, i'd say it would've been a good idea to say "freerunner being released next week!" as an april fools' joke |
| 16:55.16 | anrp | ... |
| 16:55.18 | anrp | that's harsh |
| 16:55.19 | Moniker42 | but no one would have believed it |
| 16:55.29 | Moniker42 | harsher^ |
| 16:56.50 | orospakr | Hey, is there any way of doing fast charging off a dumb USB charger with the GTA01? |
| 16:57.21 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 16:57.22 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 16:57.34 | ScaredyCat | install wurp2's little app |
| 16:57.35 | orospakr | the university shop has aftermarket dumb USB chargers for a device called an "ipod" on sale for $6. ;) |
| 16:57.38 | orospakr | neat! |
| 16:57.45 | orospakr | what's it called? |
| 16:58.16 | ScaredyCat | errm 1 sec |
| 16:58.45 | ScaredyCat | fastcharge |
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| 16:59.42 | ScaredyCat | stupid wiki.. |
| 16:59.55 | ScaredyCat | it's on the wiki, I can never remember the page though |
| 17:00.34 | ScaredyCat | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CheckFastCharge-script |
| 17:02.24 | ScaredyCat | just make sure you *can* draw 500ma |
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| 17:05.33 | Dodji | raster, ping |
| 17:06.40 | summatusmentis | mickeyl needs to stop having fun and be available to answer my questions :) |
| 17:06.54 | orospakr | ScaredyCat, it's marked as supporting 750 mA, so I should be all good. |
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| 17:11.16 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03andrew * r4291 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/env: Update buildhost download paths (Thilo Fromm). |
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| 17:16.15 | orospakr | ahh, I don't have Python on my Neo. That's why it's not starting. |
| 17:16.55 | summatusmentis | wurp2: ping |
| 17:17.28 | orospakr | unfortunately, ipkg seem doesn't work in the snapshot images. |
| 17:20.23 | ScaredyCat | did you update? |
| 17:20.29 | ScaredyCat | ipkg update |
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| 17:21.02 | ScaredyCat | you'll need to double check you don;t have the broen ipkg install - ie one without an /etc/ipkg dir |
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| 17:22.45 | orospakr | ScaredyCat, seems like I do. :) |
| 17:22.50 | orospakr | that explains why ipkg has never worked on this image. |
| 17:22.54 | orospakr | it's from, uh, last week or so. |
| 17:23.10 | orospakr | so, the packages actually ARE built along-side the images? |
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| 18:28.19 | cb22 | abraxa_: what was that super secret mailing list you mentioned? ;) |
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| 18:31.01 | slytherin | Does anyone have any video of any recent build running on real handset? |
| 18:40.37 | abraxa_ | cb22: Oh, no idea... I think it was mentioned in one of the community ML posts last month |
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| 18:40.46 | abraxa_ | Maybe it'll still be used. |
| 18:41.02 | abraxa_ | summatusmentis: You around? |
| 18:41.05 | cb22 | abraxa_: don't worry, i fished it out with /lastlog. no emails on it yet |
| 18:41.09 | cb22 | but it is a valid list |
| 18:41.15 | abraxa_ | Yeah |
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| 18:41.34 | cb22 | must've been a usleep |
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| 18:47.58 | francesco_ | hello again ... how should I cope with packages that need to have autogen.sh run before autoconf ? I'm trying to port inside Mokomake |
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| 18:50.50 | abraxa_ | francesco_: You might want to ask that question in #oe |
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| 19:07.38 | wurp2 | So everyone saw the announcement that they're starting mass production of FreeRunner? |
| 19:08.43 | Blastur | please, aprils fool is silly.. but what you just did is just |
| 19:08.48 | Blastur | distasteful |
| 19:09.22 | wurp2 | I couldn't resist that one |
| 19:09.57 | wurp2 | I'm not typically much of an April Fool's guy, but it was unstoppable |
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| 19:14.39 | CM | Hehe |
| 19:16.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1314 has been created by t-lo(AT)entropiesenke.de |
| 19:16.01 | wurp2 | Blastur:s/distasteful/asinine/ |
| 19:16.02 | cdbot2 | * * old fic* device names in qemu-neo1973 env file |
| 19:16.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1314 |
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| 19:21.40 | ScaredyCat | pooky pooky |
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| 19:28.23 | wurp2 | summatusmentis: pong, finally |
| 19:28.31 | cb22 | hrmph, brand new soldering iron not working |
| 19:28.50 | summatusmentis | wurp2: umm... I can't honestly remember what I was goiing to ask. |
| 19:28.52 | wurp2 | Hmm, my crappy 20 yr old soldering iron works great |
| 19:29.02 | summatusmentis | oh wait! no, your dbus code, does it need anything special? |
| 19:29.12 | cb22 | i need one of those ultra1337 gas ones |
| 19:29.28 | ScaredyCat | pfff |
| 19:29.40 | ScaredyCat | termotatically controlled |
| 19:29.44 | ScaredyCat | or |
| 19:29.50 | ScaredyCat | thermostatically |
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| 19:30.21 | Tronic | In English the latter. |
| 19:30.49 | cb22 | i twat i taw a twardytwat |
| 19:31.00 | wurp2 | summatusmentis: You were looking at the checkFastCharge script |
| 19:31.02 | Tronic | In Finnish it is "termostaattisesti", which is quite confusing. |
| 19:31.14 | wurp2 | summatusmentis: You have to install the python dbus ipkg |
| 19:31.31 | wurp2 | summatusmentis: I have a link to it on the wiki page for the SIM contact importer |
| 19:31.32 | ScaredyCat | isn't that when you heat your balls on the stove? |
| 19:31.43 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: ow. |
| 19:31.43 | summatusmentis | wurp2: I don't have a neo device |
| 19:31.59 | summatusmentis | should it matter? |
| 19:32.07 | wurp2 | Oh, then just install python-dbus, however is appropriate for your OS |
| 19:32.21 | wurp2 | The thing that WILL matter is that those dbus services won't be advertised |
| 19:32.33 | wurp2 | unless you're running on a real neo or qemu environment |
| 19:32.51 | summatusmentis | ok, I'm working on getting qemu working, so I'll see if I can get that to work |
| 19:33.02 | wurp2 | If you're running qemu, you should just do everything on it as if you had a neo and it should be OK, I think. |
| 19:33.11 | summatusmentis | alright, spiffy |
| 19:33.15 | summatusmentis | thanks a lot |
| 19:33.17 | wurp2 | np |
| 19:33.27 | summatusmentis | now, if you could just get mickeyl to come back, you'd be my idol :) |
| 19:33.56 | wurp2 | You can play w/ dbus w/o a neo (assuming your machine has some services that advertise on dbus) but you won't see the same interfaces |
| 19:34.04 | ScaredyCat | yeah, being in 'australia' :P |
| 19:34.04 | cb22 | offers mickeyl some dinner |
| 19:34.32 | summatusmentis | wurp2: I don't know if OS X has dbus or not |
| 19:34.48 | wurp2 | I'll bet it does, but that's a wild ass guess |
| 19:35.06 | wurp2 | google is your friend |
| 19:35.13 | summatusmentis | yeah, I'll look into it later, thanks |
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| 19:44.44 | zedstar | if u want a simple dbus interface to try out u can try my location/distance calculating dbus daemon |
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| 19:45.55 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4292 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (. ChangeLog Makefile.am configure.ac src/Makefile.am): |
| 19:45.55 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 2008-04-01 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com> |
| 19:45.55 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * configure.ac: |
| 19:45.55 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * src/Makefile.am: |
| 19:45.55 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Bring in libhito for future use |
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| 19:53.20 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4293 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (ChangeLog src/sms-contacts.c src/sms-utils.c): |
| 19:53.20 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 2008-04-01 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com> |
| 19:53.20 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * src/sms-contacts.c: (openmoko_contacts_util_dial_number): |
| 19:53.20 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * src/sms-utils.c: |
| 19:53.20 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Remove functions copied from libhito which now conflict with built in |
| 19:53.23 | CIA-16 | openmoko: version of libhito. |
| 19:53.44 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4294 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (4 files in 2 dirs): |
| 19:53.44 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 2008-04-01 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com> |
| 19:53.44 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * src/Makefile.am: |
| 19:53.44 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * src/moko-save-number.c: |
| 19:53.44 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * src/moko-save-number.h: |
| 19:53.46 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Add moko-save-number.{c,h} for use in saving unknown numbers to contacts |
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| 20:01.25 | slytherin | Hi all, I am trying to use qemu based simulator. When I do make qemu, it downloads some images. But I observed it downloads gta01 images. How can I make it download gta02 images? |
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| 20:05.25 | cb22 | hmm, for my youtube -> small video server, should i go with http, or use a homemade protocol? |
| 20:06.55 | abraxa_ | slytherin: There's no difference, just the naming is somewhat misleading |
| 20:08.00 | slytherin | abraxa_: anyway, I changed an env file already |
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| 20:21.22 | anirudh__ | hi |
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| 20:21.38 | anirudh__ | any gsoc developers from India |
| 20:23.00 | summatusmentis | developers? do you mean mentors or applicants? |
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| 20:34.32 | slytherin | anirudh__: Look for sudarsh/superkiddo in #ubuntu-in, in daytime :-D |
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| 20:40.21 | ScaredyCat | cb22: http |
| 20:40.42 | ScaredyCat | sings... |
| 20:41.00 | ScaredyCat | Crusha, I want some Crusha.. |
| 20:42.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1315 has been created by zecke(AT)selfish.org |
| 20:42.02 | cdbot2 | * * Stability issues with illume/e and Qtopia |
| 20:42.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1315 |
| 20:46.44 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03zecke * r4295 10/developers/zecke/apm_bios_test/ (. apm_bios_test.c): Add my simple apm test to see if one can delay going to suspend. One can. |
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| 21:20.43 | spydon | "Who will create bug #1337? :O" |
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| 21:21.58 | linuxxr | well |
| 21:23.23 | ScaredyCat | gblah |
| 21:23.25 | ScaredyCat | -g |
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| 21:37.42 | rahul_delight | Hi, I submitted an application in GSoC for a project under OpenMoko regarding SMS Android for Mobiles. If a mentor has reviewd that, I wish to have some comments and suggessions on it |
| 21:38.45 | emdete | didn't know that android is interested in the neo platform, not even that it runs on it... hm |
| 21:39.09 | raster | what has android to do with OM? |
| 21:39.11 | rahul_delight | By android i mean "robotic machine" |
| 21:39.13 | raster | in this case? |
| 21:39.26 | thomasg | ah, so you meant a bot :) |
| 21:39.29 | zash | smsbot? |
| 21:39.31 | rahul_delight | a housekeeping application |
| 21:39.32 | thomasg | sms-spambot :) |
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| 21:39.47 | rahul_delight | not spam bot but a bot which automates and eases yopur task |
| 21:39.55 | rahul_delight | your* |
| 21:40.15 | rahul_delight | helps with SMS search, spam filter, cryptography etc. |
| 21:40.48 | emdete | rahul_delight: ah, so android does not mean dalvik for you? |
| 21:40.57 | raster | and where does android come in? |
| 21:41.13 | abraxa_ | rahul_delight: Last info I heard was that the mentors are too busy to talk to each applicant individually so they'll comment using the GSoC web app |
| 21:41.46 | rahul_delight | In this case "android" does not mean the google platform, but an automatic SMS software which automates various daily tasks |
| 21:41.54 | doc|work | stabs android viciously in the throat |
| 21:41.56 | rahul_delight | oh |
| 21:42.11 | doc|work | oh, well, then that just has a stupid name :/ |
| 21:42.21 | doc|work | why would they still call it that? |
| 21:42.26 | emdete | rahul_delight: you should make that clear in your application |
| 21:43.16 | rahul_delight | ok |
| 21:45.25 | rahul_delight | As the name was confusing, I have changed it to "Intelligent SMS for mobile Phones" |
| 21:45.37 | raster | ooooooh |
| 21:45.42 | raster | i would suggest not using android |
| 21:45.47 | raster | as everyone will think u mean googles stuff |
| 21:45.48 | raster | :) |
| 21:46.02 | raster | so intelligent sms |
| 21:46.20 | linuxxr | an then theres LiMo |
| 21:46.23 | raster | like "remembr to send my girlfirend an sms every few days saying "i love you" in one of 50 different pre-scripted ways" |
| 21:46.40 | raster | so 1. gf is happy - she gets regular love notes via sms |
| 21:46.40 | edistar | heh |
| 21:46.41 | ScaredyCat | raster: in your illume readme, do you really mean make, or bitbake ? |
| 21:46.51 | raster | 2. i am happy as i can't forget to send one and can do other useful things instead |
| 21:46.52 | raster | :) |
| 21:46.59 | rahul_delight | thats nice |
| 21:47.09 | raster | ScaredyCat: i mean make |
| 21:47.12 | wurp2 | raster: I hope your gf doesn't read irc logs |
| 21:47.14 | raster | ScaredyCat: Mokomakefile |
| 21:47.15 | raster | :) |
| 21:47.17 | rahul_delight | but My proposal is more than a SMS scheduler |
| 21:47.28 | rahul_delight | :) naaa |
| 21:47.34 | raster | wurp2: i'm safe |
| 21:47.35 | raster | :) |
| 21:47.37 | ScaredyCat | so you really mean bitbake... |
| 21:47.45 | emdete | raster's girlfriend gets illumed ;) |
| 21:47.53 | raster | well bitbake -c rebuild eet |
| 21:47.58 | raster | ie - convert if u want |
| 21:48.10 | ScaredyCat | not everyone uses mokomakefile ... and 'make' is a binary name already... |
| 21:48.12 | raster | now.... let me make this kbd look less like arse |
| 21:49.13 | ScaredyCat | this is me providing constructive feedback btw... |
| 21:49.19 | edistar | raster: btw.. could you make some screenshots and upload them to the illume project site? it's been the same for 'ages' now :P |
| 21:50.16 | ScaredyCat | you cold also mod the .bb's to use a defined 'home' location for the e and illume svn/cvs co's ... not force the user to put them in $HOME |
| 21:50.30 | ScaredyCat | could |
| 21:52.23 | ScaredyCat | I'd also consider mod'ing y the readme for people who already have a local overlay... the readme seems to imply you replace you local overlay.. which you can do, but you don;t have to |
| 21:52.45 | raster | edistar: i have screenshots there. |
| 21:52.49 | raster | and no - i won't |
| 21:52.54 | raster | as i don't want to spend the time |
| 21:53.10 | edistar | raster: ok, I can't see a lovely kbd there ;) |
| 21:53.13 | raster | ScaredyCat: illume is alreayd in OE |
| 21:53.20 | raster | the OM upstram has it packaged |
| 21:53.27 | raster | those .bb's were for early adopters |
| 21:53.39 | ScaredyCat | stabs raster |
| 21:53.43 | raster | edistar: its ugly currently |
| 21:54.24 | edistar | ok |
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| 21:59.10 | raster | i dont want to go make screenshots of ugly stuff |
| 21:59.21 | raster | i will show it off when i think it is able to be showed off |
| 22:03.36 | edistar | raster: ok, have fun |
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| 22:39.49 | wurp2 | Someone should write a rotary phone dialer ui for OM |
| 22:40.04 | Qwell | wurp2: heh, that would be awesome |
| 22:40.10 | Stephmw | shudders |
| 22:40.26 | ljp | i often think that as well,. that would be cool :) |
| 22:40.36 | Qwell | I would use it. |
| 22:40.57 | ljp | then you can get the bluetooth oldschool handset from thinkgeek.. and be really cool |
| 22:40.59 | wurp2 | It would have to make that tap-tap-tap noise after you release |
| 22:41.07 | Qwell | wurp2: naturally |
| 22:41.08 | ljp | of course |
| 22:41.13 | wurp2 | ooo, I need to go look at that |
| 22:41.14 | wurp2 | ! |
| 22:41.53 | wurp2 | It's totally impractical, but it would just kick so much ass to pull out the old AT&T-rental-style handset when you get a cll |
| 22:42.39 | wurp2 | which is exactly what you were talking about, I see, ljp |
| 22:42.43 | wurp2 | http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/8928/ |
| 22:44.26 | josch | wurp2, by rotary phone dialer you mean those: http://img.fotocommunity.com/photos/12144852.jpg |
| 22:45.30 | wurp2 | Yeah |
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| 22:46.06 | josch | if someone makes me the graphics then i have enough edje/evas skillz to make it happen |
| 22:47.17 | raster | sk1llz |
| 22:47.30 | wurp2 | That one would be perfect... I was really thinking about the old AT&T rental dialer |
| 22:47.31 | josch | oh yeah sk1llz... sry |
| 22:47.56 | josch | we at neo1973-germany though about a steampunk e dialer |
| 22:47.57 | wurp2 | Whaddaya mean, send you the graphic? |
| 22:48.02 | wurp2 | You just sent us the graphic! |
| 22:48.14 | ljp | :) |
| 22:48.27 | josch | wurp2, this graphic is useless unless someone with gimp sk1llz takes it apart |
| 22:48.37 | wurp2 | True |
| 22:48.42 | wurp2 | I can split it into two layers, np |
| 22:48.45 | raster | and then layers it up properly |
| 22:48.51 | josch | 3 layers |
| 22:49.00 | wurp2 | where the rotary is one layer, transparent where there are holes, and one for background |
| 22:49.04 | josch | dont forget the little pin on the lower right |
| 22:49.08 | wurp2 | hmm, I don't see where the 3rd layer is |
| 22:49.20 | wurp2 | Ah, I see |
| 22:49.40 | josch | then you rotate the layer with the holes with a bit of magick [tm] |
| 22:49.42 | wurp2 | Still should be easy. My Gimping is not good, but I think I could do that |
| 22:49.53 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03werner * r4296 10/trunk/src/host/devirginator/setup.sh: |
| 22:49.53 | CIA-16 | openmoko: A few trivial cosmetic changes that have been long overdue. |
| 22:49.53 | CIA-16 | openmoko: - setup.sh: include configuration file name and build date in the "devirginate" |
| 22:49.53 | CIA-16 | openmoko: script we generate |
| 22:49.53 | CIA-16 | openmoko: - setup.sh: in the instructions at the end, also mention to start openocd |
| 22:49.55 | wurp2 | Yeah, I don't think that would be too bad either |
| 22:50.06 | josch | and out of those rotated images you can do either edje animations |
| 22:50.20 | josch | or animate them with evas on your own |
| 22:50.53 | wurp2 | Just get angle from center of dialer to finger, find nearest number, then make the dialer layer maintain the same angle offset as the angle from original finger pos to current one |
| 22:50.57 | wurp2 | w/ a stop set in |
| 22:51.00 | josch | well - if someone gives me good graphics I think I'm motiveated enough to do the coding |
| 22:51.10 | wurp2 | Cool, I will work on it |
| 22:51.14 | josch | hehe |
| 22:51.15 | josch | great |
| 22:51.16 | wurp2 | It may be the weekend before I get anything to you |
| 22:51.21 | josch | np |
| 22:51.25 | josch | wohoo! |
| 22:52.12 | josch | kk - going to sleep now |
| 22:52.14 | wurp2 | I may remove the grime on the white part of the background layer |
| 22:52.14 | josch | gnight! |
| 22:52.17 | wurp2 | later |
| 22:52.43 | raster | ewwww |
| 22:52.44 | raster | no |
| 22:52.47 | raster | need to keep grime |
| 22:52.50 | wurp2 | I don't wanna remove it |
| 22:53.00 | wurp2 | but making it good in the areas that are hidden may be hard |
| 22:53.01 | josch | grime is important! |
| 22:53.06 | raster | u may have to reproduce it cleanly |
| 22:53.10 | josch | yepp |
| 22:53.11 | wurp2 | and I am a shitty gimper |
| 22:53.23 | raster | clean grime |
| 22:53.23 | josch | this is what i meant with "gimp sk1llz" |
| 22:53.32 | josch | i dont have them |
| 22:53.39 | wurp2 | I will try to keep the grime |
| 22:53.51 | wurp2 | I would be happy to see a better gimper volunteer |
| 22:54.01 | josch | just ask around the next days |
| 22:54.07 | wurp2 | but meanwhile, I'll do my crappy best and maybe seeing it in action will motivate someone to show me up |
| 22:54.15 | josch | motivate them for an efl steampunk gui :-D |
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