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| 00:32.48 | spydon | If they don't say anything about the release of the freerunner in the long awaited community update I will kill something :P |
| 00:33.31 | abraxa_ | Well, you can follow up on the tests they're performing |
| 00:33.42 | spydon | where? |
| 00:33.47 | abraxa_ | The roadmap to mass market production has already been posted |
| 00:33.51 | abraxa_ | On the community ML |
| 00:33.59 | spydon | ah ok |
| 00:34.11 | spydon | thx |
| 00:34.12 | spydon | gn |
| 00:34.14 | abraxa_ | np :) |
| 00:40.35 | wurp2|away | I'll go copy some of that info to the community updates page |
| 00:40.58 | abraxa_ | Sounds good, thanks :) |
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| 00:47.55 | SpeedEvil | well - there are hacks round that. |
| 00:48.00 | SpeedEvil | oops |
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| 05:37.57 | wurp2|away | I have a patch for SettingsGui to get it to work with the latest OM images |
| 05:38.03 | wurp2|away | Anyone know where I should send it? |
| 05:38.14 | wurp2|away | The project page doesn't have any info |
| 05:38.38 | wurp2|away | never mind; dev email addy is in the source comments :-) |
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| 05:42.13 | wurp2|away | OK, next question: anyone know ScaredyCat's email address? |
| 05:54.53 | josch | wurp2|away, you mean the settingsgui hosted here: http://neo1973-germany.de/ ? |
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| 08:12.04 | mbuf | how to overcome the "CROSS COMPILE badness" error when cross-compiling with standalone Makefile approach? |
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| 11:47.36 | sunny1403 | hello everyone |
| 11:49.27 | sunny1403 | i have submitted my application to GSoC and here is the small description of that on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Saurabhgupta |
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| 11:55.05 | sunny1403 | i have submitted my application to GSoC and here is the small description of that on http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:Saurabhgupta |
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| 12:00.41 | sunny1403 | hello |
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| 12:03.23 | sunny1403 | . |
| 12:05.41 | abraxa_ | sunny1403: Openmoko's community interaction currently focuses on the software - the hardware so far is under complete control of the hardware guys |
| 12:06.09 | abraxa_ | You *can* extend the hardware using i2c and friends but that's about it (for now, at least) |
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| 13:44.12 | wurp2|away | josch: yep, that's the one I meant |
| 13:44.29 | wurp2|away | I've emailed it now, to Kristian |
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| 14:12.55 | bumbl | hi |
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| 14:33.11 | abraxa_ | helo bumbl |
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| 15:41.16 | Cthobs | Is anyone aware of any issues with git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/packagekit ? |
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| 15:45.25 | thos | Cthobs, you have to do it twice in bitbake before it works? |
| 15:46.19 | Cthobs | thos: Forgive my ignorance here, but what do I need to do twice? |
| 15:46.49 | Cthobs | thos: I'm running the makefile and running into this error |
| 15:46.59 | thos | Cthobs, did you try running it again? |
| 15:47.54 | Cthobs | thos: Runngin it now. But I have been trying it since yesterday. Ran make clobber and clean even suspecting deep changes....no, same error |
| 15:48.48 | Cthobs | thos: bb.fetch.FetchError |
| 15:48.50 | thos | Cthobs, well, if it's the same error I get, then you have to run it again without cleaning anything |
| 15:50.19 | Cthobs | thos: ok, gonna run the update process from the beginning and see where it goes |
| 15:53.47 | Cthobs | thos: make update-makefile, setup, and update run without error, but openmoko-devel-image gives me an error everytime I run it |
| 15:55.03 | thos | can you paste the error to pastebin.ca? |
| 15:55.14 | Cthobs | thos: sure, one min |
| 15:56.48 | Cthobs | thos: http://pastebin.ca/963443 |
| 15:59.15 | thos | Cthobs, do you have git installed? |
| 16:00.14 | Cthobs | I've been building for a long time without issues. Has it been made mandatory? |
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| 16:01.20 | thos | Cthobs, I think the packagekit dependancy was added recently |
| 16:01.40 | Cthobs | thos: ok, lemme go add it and try it again. Thank you for your help. |
| 16:02.24 | thos | if you're on debian or ubuntu, use apt-get install git-core |
| 16:03.49 | Cthobs | thos: Mandriva. Don't see a package for it, maybe in the cooker. |
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| 16:19.38 | josch | ugh... paper cuts... |
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| 17:14.22 | Cthobs | thos: I have git installed but running into a new error. So I try to run 'git ls-remote git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/packagekit' by itself and I get 'git: fatal error: `chdir' failed: permission denied.' Is this an error on my end? |
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| 17:21.33 | Sup3rkiddo | hi all |
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| 18:36.10 | slytherin | Can anyone point me to a page which can tell me where to get a simulator image? I just want to know how openmoko looks currently |
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| 18:49.46 | abraxa_ | slytherin: Check out Mokomakefile, it's listed on wiki.openmoko.org |
| 18:49.54 | abraxa_ | It has build targets for qemu |
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| 18:52.16 | slytherin | abraxa_: what is the approx hard disk space required? |
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| 18:53.43 | abraxa_ | slytherin: 200mb at most as nothing will be compiled (except qemu, maybe) |
| 18:54.15 | slytherin | abraxa_: ok, thanks. I was confused because the wiki says 12 GB |
| 18:54.36 | abraxa_ | That's for building the entire Openmoko distribution, yeah |
| 18:56.16 | slytherin | abraxa_: Can you explain a bit. What is difference between entire distribution and qemu image? |
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| 18:56.58 | abraxa_ | First off, qemu is simulating all the hardware Openmoko is designed to run on |
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| 18:57.20 | abraxa_ | It takes an image of the bootloader, kernel and rootfs to emulate everything |
| 18:57.59 | abraxa_ | When you use Mokomakefile to simply run qemu with precompiled images then nothing will be compiled |
| 18:58.20 | abraxa_ | The more common use case for Mokomakefile however is to *create* those images |
| 18:58.33 | abraxa_ | ...and that's what takes a lot of space |
| 18:58.41 | abraxa_ | Everything clear? |
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| 18:59.38 | slytherin | abraxa_: crystal. :-) |
| 18:59.51 | abraxa_ | Great |
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| 18:59.56 | slytherin | I will free up the space sometime this week. :-) |
| 19:00.14 | abraxa_ | Well, you surely don't want to build the distribution yourself just to have a look |
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| 19:00.29 | abraxa_ | Other people do that already and make the results available |
| 19:00.37 | slytherin | abraxa_: but I will need to build it to develop application right? |
| 19:00.48 | abraxa_ | Not really |
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| 19:01.02 | abraxa_ | If you only want to develop applications then you'll most likely want to use the SDK |
| 19:01.11 | slytherin | abraxa_: that is even better. :-D |
| 19:01.42 | abraxa_ | Yeah, cause it's a complete cross-compile environment that lets you get to work right away |
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| 19:03.25 | slytherin | abraxa_: Thanks for all the info. Bed time for me. Will hang around once I get to see how everything works. :-) |
| 19:03.39 | abraxa_ | Glad to see you around. Good night :) |
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| 20:41.47 | summatusmentis | is mickeyl gonna be around at all tonight? presumably not? |
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| 20:46.37 | josch | summatusmentis, he is in austria right now |
| 20:46.47 | josch | holidays with his wife |
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| 20:51.15 | summatusmentis | josch: ok... so then... is there someone I can talk to about GSoC? |
| 20:51.32 | josch | maybe abraxa_ ? hehe |
| 20:51.46 | summatusmentis | he's a student... right? |
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| 20:54.00 | josch | summatusmentis, yes |
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| 20:54.45 | abraxa_ | Is it about ophoned details, summatusmentis |
| 20:54.45 | abraxa_ | ? |
| 20:54.58 | summatusmentis | odeviced, and just talking about framework stuff |
| 20:55.44 | abraxa_ | Yeah, I can't help with that unfortunately =\ |
| 20:56.07 | abraxa_ | I'd say writing mickey a mail is the best way to reach him atm, though I'm not sure if he even can get online where he is right now |
| 20:56.28 | abraxa_ | Keep in mind that as long as you submitted a proposal, you're fine |
| 20:56.36 | abraxa_ | Next week is when mentors can still ask questions, too :) |
| 20:57.53 | summatusmentis | I know, but I'm not sure I fully understand the project, and i want to specify some more on the application |
| 20:59.53 | wibbit | Hmmm, I was reading the post by Koen on planet.openmoko.org, and was interested to see that a "stable branch" was only going to be maintained for 1 year (or was it 14 monhts?) Does that not seem some what short? |
| 21:00.36 | abraxa_ | wibbit: I'm sure they lack manpower to do it for longer - and I'd rather see progress :) |
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| 21:01.52 | wibbit | abraxa_: I truly hope that there is a good upgrade path for users, to migrate to newer versoins. it just seems, hmm, limited, especially for a consumer phone. |
| 21:02.05 | wibbit | But then, when I think about Nokia and their software updates, well they are shite |
| 21:02.53 | abraxa_ | summatusmentis: Hmm... unfortunately odeviced is mickey's idea so if I were you I'd just leave a comment like "As of now I need to discuss further details with Mickey but was unable to get in touch with him due to his holidays. I will follow up with more info when we talked." |
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| 21:05.15 | summatusmentis | abraxa_: he was the one who left the comment, and I don't know that he'll give me the stuff I need to know |
| 21:05.47 | summatusmentis | like, I think part of the application process to know what I'm talking about :-) |
| 21:07.06 | abraxa_ | oh, I see... |
| 21:07.07 | abraxa_ | Hm. |
| 21:07.15 | summatusmentis | you know? |
| 21:07.37 | summatusmentis | " Michael Lauer |
| 21:07.37 | summatusmentis | This is an interesting proposal, however it requires quite a bit of experience with dbus and plugin-based architectures. Could you expand on e.g. how you would design the plugin framework, e.g. how do the plugins export which dbus interfaces they support and how is a dbus call routed through an individual plugin. |
| 21:07.37 | summatusmentis | Do you have experience with the Vala programming language? I'd like to recommend this as implementation language for this project." |
| 21:08.44 | summatusmentis | don't know anything about designing plugin frameworks, and how the plugins interact |
| 21:10.02 | abraxa_ | Well, then I'd be honest and say that I'd spend the period *before* the SoC officially starts on researching those issues, finding solutions for them and getting familiar with vala (which is easy btw) |
| 21:10.58 | abraxa_ | Cause you'll know if you got the project on April 14th but official start of the SoC is May 26th |
| 21:11.18 | abraxa_ | So the time inbetween is when you could already prepare |
| 21:12.24 | summatusmentis | Yes, that's true... |
| 21:14.09 | summatusmentis | abraxa_: how much experience do you have with GSoC? Have you applied before? |
| 21:14.29 | abraxa_ | Yeah, I wrote the Media Player for last year's SoC |
| 21:15.58 | summatusmentis | oh, so you'll be getting a position this year then :) |
| 21:15.59 | abraxa_ | And yeah, I neither knew GTK+ nor gstreamer so everything should be fine as long as you make clear that you're willing (and able) to learn |
| 21:16.15 | abraxa_ | Well, that I don't know. We'll see :) |
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| 21:17.40 | cb22 | figures out how to use svn for more then co'ing |
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| 21:19.50 | cb22 | um, how exactly do you add your publickey to projects.openmoko.org? |
| 21:20.33 | cb22 | ah, found it. |
| 21:21.01 | summatusmentis | abraxa_: ok, thanks. I appreciate the help |
| 21:21.20 | abraxa_ | summatusmentis: You're very welcome |
| 21:21.21 | cb22 | ls |
| 21:21.25 | cb22 | woops |
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| 21:29.19 | summatusmentis | abraxa_: do you mind looking over my revised application before I hit the update button on GSoc? |
| 21:29.31 | abraxa_ | If you want me to, sure |
| 21:30.53 | summatusmentis | I would like you to, you seem to know what you're talking about. Let me finish it up, and then I'll link it to you |
| 21:31.01 | abraxa_ | Alrighty |
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| 21:34.12 | summatusmentis | abraxa_: http://cda.morris.umn.edu/~theba004/ it's linked under the Openmoko application link |
| 21:34.15 | summatusmentis | thanks a ton |
| 21:35.10 | abraxa_ | Oh, you're just posting that link in your SoC application? |
| 21:35.29 | summatusmentis | no, not at all, that's a pdf version of my SoC application, so that you can read the whole thing |
| 21:35.39 | abraxa_ | Ahh gotcha |
| 21:36.31 | summatusmentis | I was thinking about attaching a link to my application though, to then allow me to add notes to it as I go through the process of teaching myself this stuff(so they can see my thought process) |
| 21:38.22 | cb22 | summatusmentis: it looks quite good, but i dont exactly know much :) |
| 21:38.36 | cb22 | btw, OpenMoko = Openmoko |
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| 21:40.05 | abraxa_ | summatusmentis: You might want to mention OHM as something you'll look at as an example architecture |
| 21:40.28 | abraxa_ | OHM basically does what you want to do, however depends on HAL which mickey seems to have problems with |
| 21:40.43 | abraxa_ | http://ohm.freedesktop.org/ |
| 21:42.08 | summatusmentis | abraxa_: ok, thanks! See, that's part of my issue, I have no idea what's out there to look at, and googling doesn't get me projects like that(likely because I'm using terms incorrectly) |
| 21:42.31 | summatusmentis | cb22: thanks. The Project is listed as OpenMoko Inc. in the google form |
| 21:42.52 | summatusmentis | also, check out the wiki |
| 21:43.27 | abraxa_ | "There are specifications for this API will match that explained on www.freesmartphone.org." - that sounds a tad odd :) |
| 21:43.38 | cb22 | yeah, but it's undergoing renaming AFAIK |
| 21:44.34 | josch | speaking theoretically - is running arm code on the gta01 faster or slower than in qemu on an average desktop machine? |
| 21:45.02 | summatusmentis | qemu is wicked slow |
| 21:45.14 | josch | I need to natively compile and test code that needs tons of cpu power on arm platform - what to do? |
| 21:45.23 | mjr | yeah, qemu _is_ slower |
| 21:45.29 | josch | kk great |
| 21:45.36 | cb22 | josch: cluster some neos :p |
| 21:45.40 | josch | waiting for my neo to finish the task on its own then |
| 21:45.42 | cb22 | and use distcc |
| 21:45.47 | abraxa_ | josch: Use distcc? |
| 21:45.51 | josch | cb22, if you can lend me yours I have two |
| 21:46.01 | josch | abraxa_, yeah with 100 neos or so :P |
| 21:46.14 | cb22 | or you could cheat and use a pc |
| 21:46.16 | abraxa_ | Nah, with a cross-compile environment on your desktop ;) |
| 21:46.19 | cb22 | with the arm compiler |
| 21:46.28 | josch | it's not only about the compilation |
| 21:46.35 | abraxa_ | Ah |
| 21:46.36 | josch | compilation only took an hour |
| 21:46.52 | josch | it's the sphinx search engine |
| 21:47.08 | josch | and it compiles fine but does not behave as it should on arm |
| 21:47.28 | josch | but indexing sth is a rather resource hungry process |
| 21:49.19 | josch | if you all now will lend me your devices to make a beowulf cluster out of them... :P |
| 21:49.49 | abraxa_ | summatusmentis: I wouldn't make such a big fuss about PulseAudio and instead just write that you were recommended to look at PulseAudio's architecture/plugin mechanism and that that's what you'll do as part of the API design phase |
| 21:50.14 | summatusmentis | abraxa_: what do you mean? you think I'm too wordy? |
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| 21:50.54 | abraxa_ | In that paragraph, yeah, as it sounds like you'll just "copy" its architecture |
| 21:52.02 | abraxa_ | I'd just say that you'll have a look at OHM, PulseAudio and such projects to gain insight about a good API and good daemon design |
| 21:52.10 | summatusmentis | bows down to abraxa_'s infinite knowledge :-) |
| 21:55.24 | cb22 | nominates josch @ http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Member_of_the_Week |
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| 21:57.18 | josch | cb22, lol nice :-D |
| 21:58.49 | josch | could it be that when under load the neo consumes more than 500mA that come from usb? |
| 22:00.08 | abraxa_ | josch: I'd be surprised if the S3C would consume so much |
| 22:00.39 | josch | damn... it has to be the usb cable... :-/ |
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| 22:11.25 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4269 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0/gtkmenuitem: theme: fix GtkComboBox menu item colours |
| 22:11.39 | thos | bo yah |
| 22:11.49 | thos | hopes that will please people |
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| 22:36.05 | Ghiottone | hi all |
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| 22:40.10 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 22:40.21 | SpeedEvil | http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=10&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.isuppli.com%2Fpdf%2FsubMDMT.pdf&ei=NRbwR523J4zUwQHQ1az7Dw&usg=AFQjCNGi9qOFTGXtKMMHyYLKKe1k7jriwg&sig2=9T2gy0lPCysotToJfBVHkw mobile phone display market study. |
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| 22:40.27 | SpeedEvil | Alas just the overview. |
| 22:42.30 | bmk789 | does/can the mokomakefile build and run the lastest version of openmoko? |
| 22:43.39 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 22:43.45 | SpeedEvil | well - not run |
| 22:43.47 | SpeedEvil | just ubild |
| 22:43.48 | SpeedEvil | build |
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| 22:45.08 | bmk789 | sweet |
| 22:45.33 | bmk789 | then does make run-qemu run the latest version or a dated prebuilt version? |
| 22:45.41 | SpeedEvil | ow. 'SiRF shares are down 80% this year, closing Thursday afternoon at $4.85 a share.' |
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| 22:50.44 | abraxa_ | bmk789: yeah |
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| 22:56.28 | zash | SpeedEvil / ScaredyCat / someone: who wrote the Phun-gameything? |
| 22:57.16 | SpeedEvil | Ah - a question I can answer. |
| 22:57.19 | SpeedEvil | I have no idea. |
| 22:57.47 | SpeedEvil | Sorry :) |
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| 23:00.12 | Ghiottone | mmm I just flashed a new image but opkg/ipkg have problems updating package lists... any pointer? |
| 23:00.22 | abraxa_ | zash: Phun-gameything? What's that? |
| 23:00.30 | zash | http://www.phun.at/ |
| 23:00.32 | zash | that one |
| 23:00.42 | abraxa_ | Ghiottone: Yeah, planet.openmoko.org - check ScaredyCat's post |
| 23:02.25 | Ghiottone | abraxa_, do you refer to renaming 2007.2 to OM-2007.2? I'm trying this immediately! |
| 23:03.28 | abraxa_ | Ghiottone: Not quite |
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| 23:06.53 | zash | i want Phun on the neo with "gravity follows accelerometers"-option |
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| 23:08.32 | zash | IMAGINE THE COOLNESS! |
| 23:09.47 | SpeedEvil | I want inertial positioners with 'gravity follows touch'. The new revolution in personal transport! |
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| 23:12.16 | zash | Did you mean: segway |
| 23:12.55 | abraxa_ | Ghiottone: What I mean is that the paths in the ipkg/opkg configs have changed - e.g. scaredycat.conf |
| 23:13.53 | CVirus | zash: that would be the coolest thing ever |
| 23:14.22 | zash | :D |
| 23:14.59 | Ghiottone | abraxa_, yeah, that was what I meant. I'm checking the *.conf files that are giving errors |
| 23:15.17 | Ghiottone | abraxa_, but opkg is complaining about missing .sig files?? |
| 23:15.42 | abraxa_ | Maybe thos knows |
| 23:16.57 | thos | uh wah? |
| 23:17.34 | thos | Ghiottone, that's because they're missing |
| 23:17.41 | thos | Ghiottone, it's not fatal though |
| 23:18.22 | Ghiottone | ah. so is opkg importing packages even if signature is missing? |
| 23:18.40 | thos | importing packages? |
| 23:19.11 | Ghiottone | importing packages lists, sorry. |
| 23:19.49 | Psi | wonders why the latest ScaredyCat images never seem to start X |
| 23:20.50 | Ghiottone | mmm how long till we'll have an opkg search command like apt's one? |
| 23:22.40 | thos | Ghiottone, the signiture missing means it can't do a signiture check |
| 23:22.46 | thos | Ghiottone, so it warns you about that |
| 23:22.53 | thos | Ghiottone, what sort of search? |
| 23:23.10 | Ghiottone | thos, I got the point, thanks. |
| 23:23.21 | Ghiottone | thos, I mean apt-cache search |
| 23:23.32 | thos | Ghiottone, "opkg list|grep foo" has the same effect |
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| 23:23.48 | Ghiottone | thos, it searches through package names and description (I think) |
| 23:23.55 | thos | oh |
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| 23:24.03 | thos | Ghiottone, you can do that with the packagekit frontend |
| 23:24.11 | thos | pkcon search descriptiong foo |
| 23:24.12 | Ghiottone | thos, yeah, I used that. but apt-cache search seems more powerful afaics |
| 23:24.20 | Ghiottone | pkcon ? |
| 23:24.25 | thos | pkcon search name foo |
| 23:24.36 | thos | pkcon is the console client to packagekit |
| 23:25.29 | summatusmentis | abraxa_: ping |
| 23:25.58 | abraxa_ | summatusmentis: Yeah? |
| 23:26.12 | Ghiottone | thos, interesting... can I install it with opkg? |
| 23:26.34 | summatusmentis | abraxa_: will you check the pdf again? I made a number of edits/changes |
| 23:27.23 | thos | Ghiottone, is it not part of the default image yet? |
| 23:27.37 | thos | Ghiottone, the package name is "packagekit" |
| 23:29.12 | abraxa_ | summatusmentis: Yeah, sec |
| 23:29.33 | summatusmentis | whenever you've got time |
| 23:30.37 | Ghiottone | thos, not found |
| 23:31.28 | Ghiottone | my image is OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080327-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 23:34.57 | thos | Ghiottone, obviously not built yet then |
| 23:35.35 | Ghiottone | mmmm should I be able to install it with the right .conf files? |
| 23:36.02 | thos | no, not unless you have built it yourself |
| 23:36.10 | thos | or you find someone else who has built it |
| 23:39.12 | CVirus | is dying for a GTA02 |
| 23:39.32 | cb22 | is living for a GTA02 |
| 23:40.11 | SpeedEvil | is eating shortbread for a GTA02. |
| 23:40.36 | cb22 | would eat vegtables for one |
| 23:41.06 | CVirus | LOL |
| 23:41.16 | thos | heh |
| 23:41.18 | thos | it's not that exciting |
| 23:41.26 | cb22 | thos: o rly? |
| 23:41.29 | thos | it's just like gta01, but with less sucky power issues |
| 23:41.35 | thos | and wifi |
| 23:41.35 | cb22 | if you dont like yours, you can give it to me :p |
| 23:42.18 | Ghiottone | thos, less sucky power issue is an improvement I'd die for |
| 23:42.29 | thos | I wouldn't say I'd die for it |
| 23:42.44 | cb22 | thos: btw, i don't suppose you are by your gta02 now, have mplayer installed, and have a little free time? |
| 23:42.48 | SpeedEvil | thos: the PM is more software. |
| 23:42.50 | thos | although some of the earlier GTA02 prototypes actually used to work without the battery at all |
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| 23:43.03 | Ghiottone | thos, well in a metaforical sense, obviously. But it is what makes the Neo actually usable as a phone |
| 23:43.30 | thos | cb22, it's across the room, I don't have mplayer installed (on device) and it's nearly 1am so ... ;-) |
| 23:43.35 | thos | cb22, ask me again tomorrow |
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| 23:43.59 | thos | SpeedEvil, the "i'm not going to work unless my battery has $percentage charge" wasn't a software issue |
| 23:44.01 | cb22 | hehe, no problem :) |
| 23:44.07 | CVirus | dcop crashed |
| 23:44.09 | CVirus | weird |
| 23:44.15 | SpeedEvil | thos: oh |
| 23:44.43 | SpeedEvil | thos: % measured how? |
| 23:45.09 | thos | SpeedEvil, dunno, but I'm guessing you've sat and waited for three hours for your gta01 to charge enough for it to boot many times ;-) |
| 23:45.19 | SpeedEvil | I need to rewrite that damn patch. I've finally come to the conclusion that I've lost it. |
| 23:45.22 | SpeedEvil | thos: nope. |
| 23:45.31 | SpeedEvil | thos: For I have a lab PSU. |
| 23:45.39 | thos | SpeedEvil, cheat! |
| 23:46.08 | thos | I remember gta01bv2 only had a soldered together regulator |
| 23:46.13 | thos | that was classy |
| 23:46.19 | thos | at least no battery problems |
| 23:46.23 | thos | but it also had no case so, meh |
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| 23:47.17 | SpeedEvil | On a tangent - yesterday I saw a 15mm*15mm*2.5mm 30W PSU. |
| 23:47.20 | SpeedEvil | Insane. |
| 23:47.26 | cb22 | woah, thats small |
| 23:47.33 | CVirus | can I write Java programs or OM ? |
| 23:47.34 | SpeedEvil | 1.8-5V out - up to 36 in |
| 23:47.35 | cb22 | i have one of those picoatx ones |
| 23:47.38 | CVirus | I've been learning Java at school |
| 23:47.50 | SpeedEvil | this was a surface mount module integrating the inductor. |
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| 23:47.54 | CVirus | i know java sucks donkey balls but I'm just asking |
| 23:47.55 | SpeedEvil | from linear.com |
| 23:48.13 | cb22 | CVirus: actually, its worse then that |
| 23:48.17 | CVirus | true |
| 23:48.26 | cb22 | << also learning java at school |
| 23:48.50 | cb22 | python is far superior :) |
| 23:48.54 | CVirus | the dean of engineering faculty loves java .. so he decided that all student should learn it |
| 23:49.03 | CVirus | cb22: I prefer python over java for sure |
| 23:49.06 | zash | lol |
| 23:49.17 | zash | ruby is nice |
| 23:49.24 | CVirus | my ass |
| 23:49.25 | CVirus | :-p |
| 23:49.35 | zash | iduno if your ass is nice |
| 23:49.36 | zash | ;) |
| 23:49.40 | CVirus | lol |
| 23:49.47 | SpeedEvil | Is it turing complete though. |
| 23:49.53 | zash | haha |
| 23:50.18 | CVirus | ruby ? |
| 23:50.20 | CVirus | :-p |
| 23:50.37 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: o rly? http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2008033349280.jpg |
| 23:50.49 | cb22 | needs to get out of digg mode quick |
| 23:51.48 | CVirus | LOL |
| 23:51.51 | CVirus | nice one |
| 23:52.09 | CVirus | what's a turing test anyways ! |
| 23:52.19 | CVirus | :-p |
| 23:52.36 | SpeedEvil | turing complete is seperate. |
| 23:53.08 | cb22 | yeah, but they sound oh so similar |
| 23:53.18 | cb22 | CVirus: http://www.ferg.org/projects/python_java_side-by-side.html |
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| 23:53.20 | SpeedEvil | All programming languages that are turing complete can express the same program - given sufficient memory |
| 23:53.38 | CVirus | cb22: saw that |
| 23:53.40 | cb22 | and bored - brainfcuk |
| 23:53.47 | cb22 | s/bored/boredom/ |
| 23:54.00 | SpeedEvil | The turing test is to be given two people chatting to you on IRC, and to pick which is the computer. |
| 23:54.00 | CVirus | ah .... turing machines |
| 23:55.02 | CVirus | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test |
| 23:57.37 | CVirus | bed time ... good night people |
| 23:57.47 | cb22 | chers |
| 23:57.52 | cb22 | cheerS* |
