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| 00:08.04 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r115 10/trunk/specifications/otapi/org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.xml: org.freesmartphone.GSM.Network.xml: fix subscribernumbers signal (courtesy ixonos) |
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| 00:32.35 | playya | could anyone look on if my email arrived there? (frederik.sdun@*)? |
| 00:43.50 | josch | it's finished!!! |
| 00:43.51 | josch | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian |
| 00:44.13 | josch | if you're lazy you can download a ready to use tar archive |
| 00:44.14 | josch | wget http://rabenfrost.net/debian/debian-armel-xfce.tar.gz |
| 00:44.32 | josch | just extract to your sd and enjoy debian on your neo1973! |
| 00:44.51 | SpeedEvil | yay! |
| 00:45.43 | rtm | That's impressive, but what can you do with Debian that you can't do with the standard Openmoko code base? |
| 00:45.55 | SpeedEvil | Now all that's needed is some way to swap between the two magically on different VTs |
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| 00:46.27 | rtm | Virtualiztion is the next frontier. |
| 00:46.50 | josch | rtm, well you have a *full* distro - no cramped busybox apps and you have man, gcc, a huge software repo |
| 00:46.58 | josch | it currently runs xfce very well |
| 00:47.28 | rtm | OK - that does sound quite cool. |
| 00:47.43 | josch | SpeedEvil, why not run two x servers on debian? one with matchbox and openmoko and one with another wm? |
| 00:48.10 | josch | rtm, I finally can compile my code natively without bitbake crosscompilation |
| 00:48.48 | rtm | josch: So you're actually running gcc on the neo itself? |
| 00:49.00 | josch | of course! |
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| 00:49.28 | josch | it's slow like hell but much easier than writing bb recipies for code I simply want to try out |
| 00:49.39 | josch | just configure, make, make install as usual |
| 00:49.44 | rtm | 2op "Wow - are you able to have all the scratch files put on ramdisk, so it doesn't do lots of write to the flash? |
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| 00:50.16 | josch | rtm, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian <= look at fstab - everything is mounted noatime |
| 00:50.24 | rtm | It would be really something to see a desktop UI on the neo. |
| 00:50.50 | josch | rtm, there are enough screenshots for you ^^ |
| 00:51.43 | rtm | One of the neatest things is that you need the full VGA screen to make it at all usable. Does any other cell phone have full VGA? |
| 00:52.15 | josch | some htc devices |
| 00:52.23 | josch | the universal for instance |
| 00:52.29 | rtm | Oh. I hadn't run across one. |
| 00:56.25 | Ghiottone | josch, that's fantastic! |
| 00:59.56 | rtm | josch: What's the graphics performance like? If you drag windows around, is it fairly responsive? |
| 01:00.20 | josch | hehe |
| 01:00.26 | rtm | Oh.... |
| 01:00.35 | josch | i even can enable compositing effects |
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| 01:00.43 | josch | shadows... |
| 01:00.48 | josch | transparency... |
| 01:00.50 | Ghiottone | really? |
| 01:01.03 | josch | I can drag windows around while they are fully transparent |
| 01:01.12 | josch | wget http://rabenfrost.net/debian/debian-armel-xfce.tar.gz |
| 01:01.17 | josch | try it out yourselves! |
| 01:01.20 | rtm | Is there anyway you could make a video, and post it to someplace like utube? |
| 01:01.23 | SpeedEvil | Don't - you'll make raster explode! :) |
| 01:01.27 | josch | with this ready to use archive it's really easy now |
| 01:01.36 | josch | SpeedEvil, hehe |
| 01:01.59 | josch | rtm, i dont have a cam that makes good videos at such a short distance |
| 01:02.10 | josch | and i will never ever convert content I made to flash |
| 01:02.20 | rtm | Too bad. I think there'd be a lot of interest. |
| 01:02.39 | josch | give me a cam and I will upload a video to my webspace |
| 01:02.45 | SpeedEvil | you can use rapidupload |
| 01:02.53 | josch | rtm, until then everybody can download the archive |
| 01:03.03 | josch | SpeedEvil, dont need to - I have plenty of bandwidth |
| 01:04.02 | rtm | Tried apache yet? |
| 01:04.15 | josch | only lighty |
| 01:04.22 | josch | apache is much more useless overhead |
| 01:05.07 | rtm | What's the most bizarre thing you've run on it? |
| 01:05.14 | josch | hrm... |
| 01:05.30 | josch | hehe |
| 01:05.36 | josch | I think it was gentoo |
| 01:05.40 | josch | gentoo is fun on the neo |
| 01:05.55 | josch | fun waiting for your compilation to complete on every single emerge |
| 01:05.58 | josch | ^^ |
| 01:07.00 | josch | the squashfs - performance on the neo is amazing! thanks to Marcel_M for his kernel modules |
| 01:07.13 | josch | I'm now going to install sphinx search |
| 01:07.22 | playya | is it possible to have a gentoo with distcc. might be crappy because of the WLAN. |
| 01:07.46 | josch | lol wlan? |
| 01:07.55 | josch | only has neo1073 ^^ |
| 01:08.02 | josch | neo1973 even |
| 01:08.55 | rtm | How 'bout Seti-In-Pocket? |
| 01:09.04 | playya | usbnet is lame too |
| 01:09.15 | josch | rtm, lol nice idea |
| 01:09.34 | Ghiottone | josch, sphinx to do what? voice rec? |
| 01:09.52 | josch | Ghiottone, no the other sphinx |
| 01:10.12 | josch | http://www.sphinxsearch.com/ |
| 01:10.21 | josch | this engine is *very* powerful |
| 01:10.50 | josch | can search few gigabytes of wikipedia fulltext on the desktop in a fraction of a second |
| 01:11.30 | Ghiottone | ah. nice I did not know there was another sphinx :) |
| 01:11.36 | josch | fulltext wikipedia searching in under a minute would be enough for me to implement it in the next mokopedia version |
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| 01:21.15 | josch | good night guys! see ya tomorrow! |
| 01:21.22 | Ghiottone | Last time I tried my moko could not boot from sd |
| 01:21.30 | Ghiottone | which version is working? |
| 01:21.33 | Ghiottone | nite josch |
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| 01:22.31 | Ghiottone | hello mickey|zzZZzz |
| 01:22.41 | mickey|zzZZzz | hi and g'night |
| 01:23.10 | Ghiottone | nite :) |
| 01:24.35 | Ghiottone | is there a recommended u-boot version for gta01 users that want to boot from SD and not brick their device? |
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| 01:35.42 | SpeedEvil | http://pastebin.ca/961653 |
| 01:35.48 | SpeedEvil | my make broke. |
| 01:35.54 | SpeedEvil | Any thoughts? |
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| 01:38.10 | SpeedEvil | how do I tell it 'delete everything about task 1610' NOTE: Running task 1610 of 5445 (ID: 3998, /mnt/data/om/openembedded/packages/webkit/webkit-gtk_svn.bb, do_unpack) |
| 01:38.16 | SpeedEvil | which fails |
| 01:38.18 | SpeedEvil | and redownload |
| 01:38.56 | SpeedEvil | It may have run out of disk space |
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| 01:42.35 | SpeedEvil | josch: counting downloads? |
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| 02:33.44 | jadams | josch: seriously, debian looks awesome |
| 02:33.53 | jadams | my neo's at the office or I'd install it tonight |
| 02:34.07 | jadams | I just bought an 8gb sdhc in debian's honor |
| 02:35.31 | jadams | I can see building the field service apps on the debian platform...just a little easier for us I'd think. WxPython ftw |
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| 04:43.34 | SpeedEvil | sighs. I'd hoped the wifi detector I had might have a low-power chipset. But it draws a whole watt. |
| 04:43.54 | SpeedEvil | zd1211 based |
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| 07:09.38 | mbuf | vi is the only editor available in the filesystem images? |
| 07:17.37 | mbuf | is this documentation uptodate? http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Package_management |
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| 07:53.38 | ahven | mbuf: install nano for example |
| 07:53.58 | mbuf | ahven, ok |
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| 12:14.40 | SpeedEvil | Nearly an iphone. http://www.kaidomain.com/WEBUI/ProductDetail.aspx?TranID=3517 |
| 12:19.24 | abraxa__ | "HiPhone"... |
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| 12:23.40 | ScaredyCat | at least they are up front about it not being an iphone |
| 12:24.02 | zedstar | what next a HiPod, HiMac, HiMacMini lol |
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| 12:39.04 | mickeyl | ScaredyCat: yeah, i did not commit it to the OM branch |
| 12:39.32 | ScaredyCat | :( |
| 12:40.16 | ScaredyCat | waited and waited for the XorA|backtouk sync.. and since XorA|backtouk is travelling ... it didn't happen |
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| 12:44.13 | mickeyl | ScaredyCat: in the meantime, just add it manually |
| 12:44.32 | mickeyl | inherit distutils-base autotools -> inherit distutils-base autotools pkgconfig |
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| 13:17.54 | ScaredyCat | ahh thanks |
| 13:24.41 | ScaredyCat | mickeyl: any ides what builds libssp .. ? |
| 13:25.28 | mickeyl | gcc-cross |
| 13:26.12 | ScaredyCat | ahh... seems to have gone walkabout.. |
| 13:26.14 | mickeyl | although it shouldn't |
| 13:26.14 | mickeyl | since iirc we disable it |
| 13:26.35 | ScaredyCat | the oh-puzzle games use it |
| 13:26.43 | ScaredyCat | or at least try... |
| 13:26.51 | ScaredyCat | but it's obviously missing : |
| 13:27.22 | ScaredyCat | so none of them work |
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| 13:33.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1311 has been created by scaredycat(AT)automated.it |
| 13:33.01 | cdbot2 | * * libssp.so.0 is required for oh-puzzle but is not built... |
| 13:33.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1311 |
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| 13:39.00 | ajbrun | has the mailing lists died? Not had anything over night |
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| 13:57.35 | ScaredyCat | is getting email |
| 13:58.00 | ajbrun | :( |
| 13:59.34 | Sup3rkiddo | hi all |
| 13:59.40 | ajbrun | lo |
| 14:04.20 | cb22 | ScaredyCat: from the lists? |
| 14:04.49 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 14:04.58 | cb22 | what was your last? |
| 14:05.08 | ScaredyCat | last one i got was from mickey|bbiab ... 13:49 |
| 14:05.22 | ScaredyCat | 14:03 now |
| 14:08.41 | ScaredyCat | that was on openmoko-devel |
| 14:09.26 | CoreDump | fwiw, same here |
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| 14:17.30 | mwester | Greetings O Wise Ones |
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| 14:56.46 | ScaredyCat | ... |
| 14:57.02 | CVirus | . |
| 14:57.06 | Sup3rkiddo | .. |
| 14:57.08 | Sup3rkiddo | dang |
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| 15:07.09 | CVirus | long time no community updates |
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| 15:10.44 | mwester | CVirus: lotsa updates on the -devel lists. |
| 15:12.08 | CVirus | will take a look |
| 15:12.11 | CVirus | thanks |
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| 16:33.37 | mjr | mickey, whee on the packaged muxer |
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| 16:40.27 | mjr | (not tried it yet, but whee there is one) |
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| 16:40.59 | avtobiff | is there someone here that know more about the accelerometer gestures gsoc project? |
| 16:41.20 | mickeyl | mjr: :) |
| 16:41.23 | abraxa_ | avtobiff: Do you want to apply for it? |
| 16:41.43 | avtobiff | abraxa_, yes very much. it is relevant to my interests. |
| 16:41.58 | avtobiff | wouldn't everybody apply for it? ;) |
| 16:42.29 | abraxa_ | I sure won't stop you from applying, though I'll encourage you to pick something else |
| 16:42.37 | avtobiff | abraxa_, why? |
| 16:42.42 | avtobiff | many applicants? |
| 16:42.54 | abraxa_ | For the exact same reason you just mentioned, yeah ;) |
| 16:43.08 | avtobiff | to bad |
| 16:43.09 | abraxa_ | There are like 5 or 6 applications for gestures |
| 16:43.22 | avtobiff | that is not many. many is like 50+ |
| 16:43.24 | abraxa_ | *looks over to mickey* |
| 16:43.30 | mickeyl | well |
| 16:43.33 | avtobiff | or atleast more than ten |
| 16:43.34 | mickeyl | if you have 18 proposals |
| 16:43.36 | mickeyl | 6 is a lot |
| 16:43.49 | mickeyl | ever 3rd proposal is accellerometers :/ |
| 16:44.18 | avtobiff | ok... what proposals have few applicants then? |
| 16:44.24 | avtobiff | yeah. it is a very cool project. |
| 16:44.27 | ScaredyCat | efl widgets :) |
| 16:44.31 | mickeyl | widgets! |
| 16:44.44 | Sup3rkiddo | widgets FTW! |
| 16:44.46 | avtobiff | does the openmoko have multitouch? |
| 16:44.58 | abraxa_ | mickeyl: btw, raster said he doesn't quite see the point of the widgets proposal |
| 16:45.23 | ScaredyCat | widget, it's got a widget.. a widget it has got... |
| 16:45.36 | ScaredyCat | </john smiths's> |
| 16:45.41 | avtobiff | abraxa_, i dont either :/ |
| 16:45.45 | Sup3rkiddo | mickeyl, i had updated the proposal answering your queries...hope i am in the right direction :) |
| 16:45.56 | mickeyl | surprising to me |
| 16:46.00 | mickeyl | i added some details |
| 16:46.29 | mickeyl | so what do you think should we use to do apps? |
| 16:46.42 | mickeyl | every app completely different free form UI? |
| 16:46.54 | mickeyl | would be cool, but is not recommended by usability guys |
| 16:47.17 | mickeyl | a set of mobile optimized widgets is missing in EFL |
| 16:47.19 | mjr | umm yeah no guidelines are cool... |
| 16:48.49 | avtobiff | are there any action on the BT/WLAN ad-hoc comm.? |
| 16:49.28 | ashish | is any mentor available to discuss the myth-tv integration with Openmoko |
| 16:49.34 | mwester | is hugely in favor of a consistent set of optimized widgets, lest chaos reign. |
| 16:49.40 | ashish | through bluetooth |
| 16:50.51 | ashish | abraxa_: do you have any idea about it |
| 16:51.24 | ashish | mickeyl: ?? |
| 16:51.43 | abraxa_ | I'm not a mentor I'm afraid :) |
| 16:51.59 | ashish | ok!! |
| 16:52.13 | mickeyl | while this is all cool, i doubt that myth-tv integration nor bluetooth ad-hoc are promising projects for this year |
| 16:52.26 | avtobiff | why? |
| 16:52.29 | ashish | why ?? |
| 16:52.58 | mickeyl | because OM lacks in certain areas where other projects could have more impact |
| 16:53.09 | avtobiff | like |
| 16:53.21 | avtobiff | where is help needed? |
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| 16:54.07 | ashish | iphone has cool bluetooth remote control sys, i would like OM too develops that |
| 16:54.37 | ashish | which areas you are talking of mickeyl ?? |
| 16:54.38 | mickeyl | middleware services, telephony, pim, notification, network, boot time, preferences, ... |
| 16:55.13 | avtobiff | network? |
| 16:55.15 | avtobiff | gsm? |
| 16:56.20 | mickeyl | gsm is part of telephony |
| 16:56.27 | mickeyl | network as in... usb, wifi, ppp |
| 16:56.32 | avtobiff | yeah ok |
| 16:56.47 | mickeyl | there's little infrastructure completed to enable people writing their apps |
| 16:56.50 | avtobiff | what pim apps exist? |
| 16:56.51 | mickeyl | i'd like to see a dialer contest |
| 16:56.52 | avtobiff | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_Core_Applications#PIM_Suite |
| 16:56.54 | mickeyl | and things like that |
| 16:57.01 | avtobiff | do every one of those exist? |
| 16:57.04 | mickeyl | but this is not possible without all the services |
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| 16:57.12 | mickeyl | there's some gtk apps |
| 16:57.15 | mickeyl | contacts |
| 16:57.16 | mickeyl | dates |
| 16:57.21 | mickeyl | dialer |
| 16:57.26 | mickeyl | todo |
| 16:57.31 | mickeyl | messages |
| 16:57.35 | mickeyl | that's more or less it |
| 16:57.52 | avtobiff | what more do you need? :) |
| 16:58.52 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 16:59.06 | mickeyl | i don't care about apps |
| 16:59.09 | mickeyl | i'm a developer |
| 16:59.13 | mickeyl | i want a platform i can develop on |
| 16:59.18 | mickeyl | but that's a personal thing |
| 16:59.38 | avtobiff | but still you are not satisfied with the current apps? :) |
| 16:59.43 | mickeyl | no, not quite |
| 17:00.14 | mickeyl | again, speaking as an indivdual here, not as part of OM |
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| 17:00.19 | avtobiff | ok |
| 17:04.38 | wurp2 | I want a media player that knows the full list of stuff available (e.g. on my main hard drive) and marks songs I've already listened to for potential deletion |
| 17:05.00 | wurp2 | then detects when I'm connected to my 'music source' and dls replacements |
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| 17:09.37 | cb22 | tries to build an image for the first time :) |
| 17:11.33 | ScaredyCat | injects random errors into random .bb files on cb22's machine |
| 17:12.17 | cb22 | ScaredyCat: bleh, you broke it :( |
| 17:12.41 | cb22 | error while parsing: while parsing /home/federico/moko/openembedded/packages/packagekit/packagekit_git.bb |
| 17:12.59 | cb22 | ah, need git |
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| 17:23.50 | Blastur | has anyone seen this? http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS7343914760.html |
| 17:24.09 | Blastur | seems very nice with a sub $100 3G reference phone |
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| 17:25.52 | Blastur | perhaps a platform for openmoko to support too i mean |
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| 17:26.17 | Blastur | even though it doesn't have as much power as the freerunner, it does support 3g and is a lot cheaper |
| 17:27.52 | Blastur | is openmoko member of http://www.limofoundation.org/ ? |
| 17:29.15 | mickeyl | no |
| 17:29.38 | edistar | Blastur: there was a mail no the ML concerning that |
| 17:30.15 | Blastur | the mission of LiMo seems a lot like Openmoko |
| 17:30.18 | cb22 | it is evil :p |
| 17:30.27 | Blastur | oh really, you dont happen to have a link do you edistar? :) |
| 17:30.43 | mickeyl | well |
| 17:31.01 | mickeyl | all these foundations and forums are about top-down standardization |
| 17:31.10 | mickeyl | which is not quite what Om is interested in |
| 17:31.43 | Blastur | isn't openmoko suppose to serve as a united (standardized) platform? |
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| 17:31.54 | Blastur | which can be run on many different phones |
| 17:31.56 | mickeyl | if it comes to that, yeah |
| 17:32.00 | mickeyl | but that's bottom-up standardization |
| 17:32.11 | Blastur | im not familiar with the lingo |
| 17:32.27 | mickeyl | it's a question about who defines what |
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| 17:33.02 | mickeyl | Om believes more in code than standards |
| 17:33.05 | Sup3rkiddo | vala doesnt incur that much of a overhead to get worried about..does it? |
| 17:33.15 | mickeyl | vala incurs zero overhead |
| 17:33.18 | mickeyl | since it compiles to C |
| 17:33.25 | mickeyl | no runtime libraries |
| 17:33.32 | Sup3rkiddo | oh! |
| 17:33.44 | mickeyl | just nice syntax and very efficient OO design |
| 17:33.53 | Sup3rkiddo | nods in agreement |
| 17:34.03 | Sup3rkiddo | two days ago, i said vala sucks...:D |
| 17:34.14 | Blastur | what is vala? |
| 17:34.45 | Sup3rkiddo | Blastur, http://live.gnome.org/Vala |
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| 17:37.30 | Sup3rkiddo | this is _good_ , http://live.gnome.org/Vala/Tutorial |
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| 17:46.56 | SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vala_%28Middle-earth%29 |
| 17:48.47 | SpeedEvil | ponders. |
| 17:50.11 | mickeyl | about? |
| 17:50.32 | SpeedEvil | oops - mischan. |
| 17:50.56 | SpeedEvil | I was pondering about upgrading the RAM on this laptop - which I like - but would be very silly. |
| 17:51.23 | SpeedEvil | As it'd involve a custom SODIMM, and hacking of the kernel to understand the extended memory area. |
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| 17:57.14 | SpeedEvil | Another silly phone: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.11948 |
| 17:58.57 | mickeyl | hmmm, don't hack. how much do you have now? |
| 17:59.13 | mickeyl | [ram] |
| 17:59.15 | SpeedEvil | 196 only. It's usually adequate. |
| 17:59.29 | mickeyl | ah well... that's a bit on the lean side, yeah ;) |
| 17:59.32 | SpeedEvil | Though I've got more in my server of course. |
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| 18:10.41 | robtaylor | mickeyl: hey, what's this odeviced thing the gsoc people are applying for? |
| 18:11.25 | mickeyl | this is the final successor to all the <foo>d thingies we built in the last couple of years |
| 18:11.27 | mickeyl | ezxd |
| 18:11.27 | mickeyl | neod |
| 18:11.29 | mickeyl | zaurusd |
| 18:11.31 | mickeyl | machined |
| 18:11.36 | mickeyl | see: |
| 18:11.44 | robtaylor | mickeyl: so, ohm? ;) |
| 18:11.45 | mickeyl | http://www.freesmartphone.org/mediawiki/index.php/Implementations/OpenDeviceDaemon |
| 18:11.48 | mickeyl | no |
| 18:11.51 | mickeyl | probably not ohm, sorry |
| 18:11.59 | robtaylor | why not? |
| 18:12.03 | mickeyl | i don't believe in it |
| 18:12.12 | mickeyl | didn't you even say it's not going anywhere? |
| 18:12.45 | Sup3rkiddo | robtaylor, are you one of the mentors? |
| 18:12.49 | mickeyl | the thing is, we really need to start small. not overengineering. a small plugin-based daemon exporting some dbus methods |
| 18:12.51 | robtaylor | well, i've got some pretty decent plans for it now. the main issue is having something that works for embedded *and* desktop |
| 18:12.54 | mickeyl | that should be everything needed |
| 18:13.04 | robtaylor | mickeyl: that's actually exactly what ohm is right now |
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| 18:13.29 | mickeyl | yes, but it needs HAL... |
| 18:13.40 | robtaylor | mickeyl: well, yes, thats the right architecture |
| 18:13.49 | mickeyl | mmh, i fell a deja vu |
| 18:13.52 | mickeyl | feel,e ven |
| 18:14.02 | robtaylor | mickeyl: nihing isn't going to help in solving a complex problem, you're just ending up with another *d ;) |
| 18:14.16 | mickeyl | be honest, it didn't take off yet |
| 18:14.17 | mickeyl | or did it? |
| 18:15.04 | robtaylor | mickeyl: yes, ohm might not be right, but it'd be very good to learn from it and others rather than just diving headlong into Yet Another Daemon ;) |
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| 18:15.42 | robtaylor | mickeyl: are you going to the linux foundation collaboration summit? |
| 18:16.15 | mickeyl | no, i'm heading to austria for skiing now |
| 18:16.20 | robtaylor | damn.. |
| 18:16.31 | mickeyl | (or rather, writing on my book while the others ski) |
| 18:16.40 | mickeyl | no more international conferences this year |
| 18:16.43 | mickeyl | i just came back from bossa |
| 18:17.04 | robtaylor | mickeyl: did you have fun? :) |
| 18:17.30 | mickeyl | a bit... unfortunately the three days were really packed with all sorts of stuff |
| 18:17.36 | mickeyl | could have been more fun and less work, to be honest |
| 18:17.55 | mickeyl | worked with the mamona guys on merging lots of stuff after bossa |
| 18:18.06 | mickeyl | so main thing i've seen from brazil is their ACed rooms |
| 18:18.07 | mickeyl | *cough* |
| 18:18.22 | robtaylor | mickeyl: bummer.. |
| 18:19.15 | robtaylor | mickeyl: It'd be really good if we could have a proper chat sometime and i'll download to you all the issues i've looked at over the last year in this space |
| 18:19.55 | robtaylor | just really wants to have something happen that really approaches the problem in a way that works |
| 18:20.55 | robtaylor | there's a lot of layers of issues, starting right at the kernel , going up to udevd, hal, etc |
| 18:21.35 | SpeedEvil | and ending up even with external devices. |
| 18:21.43 | robtaylor | and issues in the separation of mechanism and policy |
| 18:21.50 | SpeedEvil | GSM network variations and stuff |
| 18:21.55 | robtaylor | SpeedEvil: yep |
| 18:22.19 | robtaylor | SpeedEvil: like where to tye in bluetooth, upnp, zeroconf |
| 18:24.03 | robtaylor | and like i keep saying, desktop has exactly the same issues (and of course there's things like moblin and osso which have stacks very similar to the desktop) |
| 18:25.18 | SpeedEvil | Though desktop has fewer location issues. |
| 18:25.59 | robtaylor | SpeedEvil: i don't think thats necessarily trur. my lappy has wifi and wwan, for example |
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| 18:26.19 | CM | Soon most will have some kind of sim-card device too, I'm sure |
| 18:26.22 | SpeedEvil | that's not a desktop. |
| 18:26.27 | robtaylor | SpeedEvil: no gps though ;) |
| 18:26.37 | CM | gsm/3g/wimax/whatever :) |
| 18:26.38 | robtaylor | SpeedEvil: its the 'desktop stack' though |
| 18:26.43 | SpeedEvil | Ah |
| 18:27.23 | robtaylor | hmm, damn, my gf's telling me I need to head off now.. |
| 18:27.31 | SpeedEvil | Wave. |
| 18:28.03 | robtaylor | laters, but yeah, lets get some work going that makes proper sense, rather than fragmenting again |
| 18:28.25 | SpeedEvil | goes back to hardware design. |
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| 18:31.21 | ScaredyCat | moo |
| 18:31.52 | ScaredyCat | lo CM |
| 18:31.59 | CM | ScaredyCat: Evening |
| 18:32.01 | CM | :) |
| 18:32.12 | CM | still can't get past stinking pth :( |
| 18:32.24 | ScaredyCat | tf! |
| 18:32.28 | CM | I don't get how it can fail in crosscompiling |
| 18:32.48 | CM | I mean, ok if it fails if I tried to compile for x86-64 or so |
| 18:32.58 | CM | But I'm running a clean om build, from scratch |
| 18:34.09 | ScaredyCat | I don't want to rub it in but ... |
| 18:34.10 | ScaredyCat | NOTE: build 200803291831: completed |
| 18:34.15 | ScaredyCat | I just rebuilt it |
| 18:34.21 | CM | ~fish ScaredyCat |
| 18:34.22 | apt | ACTION slaps ScaredyCat around with a large trout |
| 18:34.26 | CM | :( |
| 18:34.36 | CM | Hehe.. Well.. Good it should work at least :) |
| 18:35.10 | CM | Think they should update pth in oe though, 2.0.7 has been out for quite a while, and there's some fixes since 2.0.2 |
| 18:35.28 | CM | compiles gnome-2.22 instead |
| 18:35.43 | ScaredyCat | oe now has a stable branch |
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| 18:36.04 | ScaredyCat | bu that might mean 'already broken' ;) |
| 18:36.28 | CM | Hehe |
| 18:37.17 | ScaredyCat | what's the error ? |
| 18:37.42 | CM | http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3988 |
| 18:37.59 | CM | <XorA> CM: if you look through the complex #if #else crap, I think its |
| 18:38.00 | CM | the stack offsets in setjmp.h |
| 18:38.15 | CM | Something there... |
| 18:38.40 | CM | Thinking of trying a patch so that I don't end up in the linux section of that file, and just get the standard posix thread |
| 18:39.41 | ScaredyCat | have you tried blowing away the tar.gz +md5+lock files just to see if you got a bad version ? |
| 18:41.27 | SpeedEvil | How do I do that - I have it stalled on webkit |
| 18:41.38 | SpeedEvil | it errors out. |
| 18:44.01 | CM | ScaredyCat: Hmm.. Guess I'll have to try that. I've tried to avoid removing all the sources since I only have a sucky 8mbit adsl since I moved |
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| 18:44.13 | CM | misses his 100/10 fiber.. |
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| 18:45.07 | ScaredyCat | one thing that strikes me |
| 18:45.51 | ScaredyCat | is that it must have compiled the others |
| 18:46.16 | CM | Other what? |
| 18:46.19 | ScaredyCat | pth_debug.c pth_ring.c etc |
| 18:46.23 | CM | Ah, yes |
| 18:46.34 | ScaredyCat | but it uses the same params etc |
| 18:46.47 | CM | I know, and I don't get it |
| 18:47.06 | CM | Guess XorA gave a good hint |
| 18:47.19 | CM | It's something with setjmp.h |
| 18:47.23 | ScaredyCat | you're 64bit |
| 18:47.24 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 18:47.27 | CM | Yes |
| 18:47.45 | CM | But that shouldn't really matter for the cross-compiler should it? |
| 18:47.47 | ScaredyCat | send it to me, i'll send you a 32 bit machine :) |
| 18:47.51 | CM | Hehe |
| 18:48.04 | CM | I know a lot of people compile on 64-bit machines |
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| 18:50.25 | CM | eats dinner |
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| 18:50.56 | ScaredyCat | sadly looking at your bug report, you seem to be taking to yourself |
| 18:51.01 | ScaredyCat | talking |
| 18:51.15 | ScaredyCat | no one in oe help? |
| 18:53.45 | SpeedEvil | Any thoughts on NOTE: Unpacking /mnt/data/om/sources/WebCore_svn.webkit.org_.repository.webkit.trunk._30762_.tar.gz to /mnt/data/om/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/webkit-gtk-0.1+svnr30762-r4/ |
| 18:53.46 | SpeedEvil | edistar: /mnt/data/om/sources/WebCore_svn.webkit.org_.repository.webkit.trunk._30762_.tar.gz: Cannot ope |
| 18:53.51 | SpeedEvil | ... |
| 18:53.59 | ScaredyCat | CM: of course, now you know how the rest of us feel with our crappy adsl connecitons |
| 18:54.26 | ScaredyCat | SpeedEvil: dunno, there's only half an error there.. |
| 18:54.34 | ScaredyCat | "Cannot ope" |
| 18:54.36 | SpeedEvil | n |
| 18:55.02 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.16 | SpeedEvil | oops - line before |
| 18:55.33 | mickeyl | robtaylor: has there been any development to OHM in the last 6 months? the mailing list was awfully queit |
| 18:55.35 | SpeedEvil | was 'unpacking /mnt/data/om/sources/JavaScriptGlue_svn.webkit.org_.repository.webkit.trunk._30762_.tar.gz' or something |
| 18:55.35 | mickeyl | if so, where? |
| 18:55.37 | mickeyl | bbiab, dinner |
| 18:55.38 | SpeedEvil | which exists |
| 18:55.45 | SpeedEvil | and does not seem to have errors |
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| 18:56.43 | ScaredyCat | cat /builder/newBuild/downloads/WebCore_svn.webkit.org_.repository.webkit.trunk._30762_.tar.gz.md5 |
| 18:56.43 | ScaredyCat | 219723b2080ec39fd43d3b469c792619 |
| 18:57.03 | SpeedEvil | moment |
| 18:57.23 | ScaredyCat | errm |
| 18:57.51 | SpeedEvil | where is downloads? |
| 18:58.01 | SpeedEvil | Or for that matter Newbuilds |
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| 18:58.09 | SpeedEvil | hang on |
| 18:58.25 | ScaredyCat | those are on my system |
| 18:58.27 | ScaredyCat | cat /builder/newBuild/downloads/JavaScriptGlue_svn.webkit.org_.repository.webkit.trunk._30762_.tar.gz.md5 |
| 18:58.27 | ScaredyCat | 7d72534edf1df35f31f7fc3396cde868 |
| 18:58.48 | ScaredyCat | so it'll be your ${OMDIR}/downloads/ |
| 18:59.01 | ScaredyCat | or sources |
| 18:59.05 | SpeedEvil | Which I don't have |
| 18:59.06 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 18:59.10 | ScaredyCat | either of? |
| 18:59.15 | SpeedEvil | got sources |
| 18:59.36 | SpeedEvil | moment |
| 18:59.53 | SpeedEvil | find . -type f -name "*.trunk._30762_.tar.gz.md5" |
| 18:59.56 | SpeedEvil | ... |
| 19:00.11 | ScaredyCat | no locate? |
| 19:00.42 | SpeedEvil | I killed it on that drive - it's got 200K files on |
| 19:00.48 | ScaredyCat | hugs locate |
| 19:02.51 | SpeedEvil | 309c565b7e97d9f698897c4d8cc5e9 |
| 19:02.53 | SpeedEvil | c |
| 19:03.14 | SpeedEvil | Ok - so what do I do - blow away the corresponding .gz file? |
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| 19:04.22 | ScaredyCat | yes, and .md5 and .lock |
| 19:04.37 | SpeedEvil | Odd - gzip says it's valid |
| 19:05.01 | SpeedEvil | I can't find a lock file |
| 19:05.05 | SpeedEvil | in the same dir |
| 19:05.11 | ScaredyCat | ok, it doesn't matter |
| 19:05.23 | SpeedEvil | make update? Or devel-image? |
| 19:05.40 | ScaredyCat | or just make webkit |
| 19:06.12 | ScaredyCat | but a make devl image is wht you're after anyway, right? |
| 19:07.25 | SpeedEvil | make webkit alone dies - not known - make devel now |
| 19:07.56 | ScaredyCat | no.. cd build && . ../setup-env && bitbake -c rebuild webkit |
| 19:09.17 | ScaredyCat | iirc mokomakefile uses: make package-<packagename> |
| 19:09.28 | ScaredyCat | but I've never used that.. |
| 19:09.39 | SpeedEvil | trying devel-image anyway... - which failed |
| 19:10.20 | sh4sh4nk | hi guys.. can anyone help me out with qemu emulator? I am just not able to set up connection between my host and the emulator |
| 19:10.32 | sh4sh4nk | i tried following the instructions in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU#Simple_network_connection_with_pppd |
| 19:10.32 | ScaredyCat | ahhh... |
| 19:10.41 | ScaredyCat | it's build-package-<packagename> |
| 19:10.41 | sh4sh4nk | but just doesn't seem to work :( |
| 19:10.59 | SpeedEvil | ok - that's recognised |
| 19:11.05 | SpeedEvil | and in progress. |
| 19:11.06 | ScaredyCat | did it dl new files SpeedEvil? |
| 19:11.26 | SpeedEvil | I diddn't see - something stupid in the background made it scroll |
| 19:11.45 | ScaredyCat | were you typing : make devel-image ? |
| 19:11.56 | SpeedEvil | no - openmoko-devel-image |
| 19:12.02 | ScaredyCat | k, just checking ;) |
| 19:12.12 | SpeedEvil | ERROR: Nothing PROVIDES 'webkit' ... |
| 19:12.20 | ScaredyCat | hrrmm |
| 19:12.22 | ScaredyCat | i sec |
| 19:12.31 | SpeedEvil | make update might fix? |
| 19:12.57 | ScaredyCat | webkit-gtk |
| 19:13.03 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 19:13.05 | ScaredyCat | not just webkit |
| 19:15.28 | SpeedEvil | going now. |
| 19:15.58 | ScaredyCat | good good |
| 19:17.12 | SpeedEvil | failed. /me wanders over to pastebin |
| 19:17.55 | cb22 | ScaredyCat: stop breaking things! |
| 19:18.23 | ScaredyCat | :( |
| 19:18.27 | SpeedEvil | http://pastebin.com/d4e1895a6 |
| 19:18.56 | SpeedEvil | that's make build-package-webkit-gtk |
| 19:22.21 | sh4sh4nk | hmmm.. now that you guys seem to be free, can you help me out with qemu emulator? |
| 19:22.23 | sh4sh4nk | I am just not able to set up connection between my host and the emulator |
| 19:22.29 | ScaredyCat | SpeedEvil: http://buildhost.automated.it/om-missing/ |
| 19:22.30 | sh4sh4nk | i tried following the instructions in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU#Simple_network_connection_with_pppd |
| 19:22.41 | sh4sh4nk | but just doesn't seem to work :( |
| 19:22.51 | ScaredyCat | I've put the missing file there |
| 19:23.00 | ScaredyCat | make sure you get the right one ;) |
| 19:23.07 | SpeedEvil | Why isn't it downloading it? |
| 19:23.29 | wurp2 | Does anyone know if there's an update to make settingsgui work with the new audio state files? |
| 19:23.31 | SpeedEvil | trying make update - then wil download |
| 19:23.37 | ScaredyCat | put it in /mnt/data/om/sources/ |
| 19:24.08 | wurp2 | I tried ipkg install on it and it says no updates, but it is trying to parse 'off' as an int. I can patch that easily enough, but I thought there might be an 'official' fix. |
| 19:24.29 | ScaredyCat | sh4sh4nk: sorry, not really used Qemu... |
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| 19:25.00 | ScaredyCat | what version wurp2? |
| 19:25.06 | ScaredyCat | of settingsgui? |
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| 19:25.41 | sh4sh4nk | ScaredyCat, thanks... any idea where i can get help |
| 19:25.47 | sh4sh4nk | been googling for 2 hrs |
| 19:25.48 | wurp2 | 0.7b-r1 |
| 19:26.04 | sh4sh4nk | not getting anywhere :( |
| 19:26.05 | ScaredyCat | wurp2: iirc it's v 0.8 |
| 19:26.08 | ScaredyCat | now |
| 19:26.30 | ScaredyCat | sh4sh4nk: just hang around until some qemu uses appear |
| 19:26.38 | ScaredyCat | users |
| 19:27.07 | sh4sh4nk | cool |
| 19:27.08 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: Thanks, let me just download & install. Maybe I'm missing a host in my ipkg config. |
| 19:30.01 | ScaredyCat | SpeedEvil: as you can see from the other versions in that dir on my buildhost, it's happened before |
| 19:35.25 | mwester | <mickeyl> Om believes more in code than standards |
| 19:35.39 | mwester | That's a great line - worth quoting! |
| 19:36.21 | SpeedEvil | sca |
| 19:36.21 | ScaredyCat | that's an opinion as an individual, not an om representative - right? |
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| 19:36.48 | SpeedEvil | : ok - I overwrote the file it was last complaining about and am now retrying build. |
| 19:37.16 | SpeedEvil | mv JavaScriptGlue_svn.webkit.org_.repository.webkit.trunk._30762_.tar.gz /mnt/data/om/sources/JavaScriptGlue_svn.webkit.org_.repository.webkit.trunk._30762_.tar.gz |
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| 19:40.39 | ScaredyCat | SpeedEvil: working ? |
| 19:40.46 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 19:40.51 | SpeedEvil | it seems to work on that. |
| 19:41.00 | SpeedEvil | then it fails immediately afterwards on webcore |
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| 19:41.11 | ScaredyCat | whats that error? |
| 19:41.21 | SpeedEvil | edistar: /mnt/data/om/sources/WebCore_svn.webkit.org_.repository.webkit.trunk._30762_.tar.gz: Cannot open: No such file or directory |
| 19:41.31 | SpeedEvil | is the first error line |
| 19:41.37 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: OK, now settingsgui isn't erroring out, but it's been "Loading" for a couple of minutes |
| 19:41.42 | ScaredyCat | ok, I'll opy that to my bh for you too |
| 19:42.06 | SpeedEvil | ScaredyCat: /me wonders how many thousand .tar.gz's are needed... |
| 19:42.51 | SpeedEvil | dling. |
| 19:43.01 | ScaredyCat | don;t dl it eyt |
| 19:43.05 | ScaredyCat | not up |
| 19:43.12 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 19:43.23 | ScaredyCat | 1:30 to go |
| 19:45.06 | ScaredyCat | k done SpeedEvil |
| 19:45.17 | SpeedEvil | thanks |
| 19:45.28 | ScaredyCat | i think webkit is a special case ...which is why these things happen |
| 19:49.00 | ScaredyCat | wurp2: did the install go ok? |
| 19:49.15 | ScaredyCat | have you tried running it from a shell |
| 19:49.19 | wurp2 | I'm not sure you can call it an install ;-) |
| 19:49.25 | ScaredyCat | true |
| 19:49.40 | wurp2 | I downloaded the tjz and unzipped, & copied it over my old install :-/ |
| 19:49.45 | ScaredyCat | oh |
| 19:49.46 | wurp2 | I didn't see an ipk for it |
| 19:49.54 | wurp2 | And I am starting it from a terminal |
| 19:50.07 | wurp2 | The only output is 0.1: 0.473054885864 |
| 19:50.51 | wurp2 | I tried the directions to install from Alessandro's repo, but I guess it doesn't have the 0.8 version since the install told me I was up to date after that |
| 19:50.56 | wurp2 | I did do an ipkg update first |
| 19:51.29 | wurp2 | It still says Loading so something is obviously awry. I will look more for an 0.8 ipkg |
| 19:53.24 | SpeedEvil | ScaredyCat: copied over and new build kicked off |
| 19:54.07 | ScaredyCat | k, good, iirc it takes a while |
| 19:55.49 | SpeedEvil | It's onto the next task |
| 19:56.54 | SpeedEvil | Many thanks! |
| 19:57.02 | SpeedEvil | passes ScaredyCat some catnip. |
| 19:57.13 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 19:58.54 | ScaredyCat | packs away cape |
| 19:59.27 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: Found the 0.8 ipk in your repository; installing :-) |
| 19:59.44 | ScaredyCat | yeah, errm, about that... |
| 19:59.53 | wurp2 | Heh |
| 20:00.04 | wurp2 | Should I copy it over to the neo? |
| 20:00.23 | ScaredyCat | you'll probably get the same result |
| 20:00.34 | wurp2 | "Loading" forever? |
| 20:00.44 | wurp2 | Or parsing 'off' as an int? |
| 20:00.51 | ScaredyCat | both... |
| 20:01.25 | ScaredyCat | I think this is part of the problem, the undelying stuff keeps changing so it's hard for people to code to keep up |
| 20:01.38 | wurp2 | Is it something wrong with your ipk, or is there just not a version of settingsgui that totally works? |
| 20:01.51 | ScaredyCat | I think settingsgui got broken |
| 20:02.02 | wurp2 | Ah |
| 20:02.27 | wurp2 | Maybe I can take some time tonight and fix it. The 'off' thing is like 2 minutes to fix, but who knows what comes after that |
| 20:02.52 | wurp2 | And to get started I really need to dl it from the scm |
| 20:03.09 | wurp2 | So my patch is useful beyond my personal immediate needs |
| 20:03.11 | ScaredyCat | yeah, if you can do that, maybe provide a patch and I'll rebuild the ipk |
| 20:03.52 | wurp2 | OK, thx for the pointers. I'll try to pull the source tonight & get it all, or at least mostly, working |
| 20:04.10 | ScaredyCat | :) |
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| 21:19.09 | SpeedEvil | Scaredy Cat: Still going :) |
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| 21:31.00 | ewon | I am filled with emo rage |
| 21:31.05 | ewon | over the lack of a GTA02 |
| 21:31.10 | ewon | in my greasy, clasping hands |
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| 21:33.40 | abraxa_ | hands ewon a voodoo doll linked to Steve Jobs |
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| 21:40.33 | SpeedEvil | A DollI? |
| 21:40.51 | abraxa_ | Yeah well, I can't hand him Steve Jobs himself :) |
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| 22:06.29 | Placid | win 1 |
| 22:06.48 | SpeedEvil | We are not a number! |
| 22:09.30 | anrp | no, you aren't |
| 22:09.40 | anrp | you're four numbers, somewhere in the range of 0-255 |
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| 22:24.00 | ScaredyCat | wouldn't that be .... : abraxa_ hand jobs ewon ? |
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| 22:24.32 | abraxa_ | ScaredyCat: ...evil. |
| 22:24.37 | ScaredyCat | >:) |
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| 22:55.37 | CM | Hehe |
| 23:04.02 | cb22 | wants a freerunner |
| 23:04.25 | SpeedEvil | I think we all do. |
| 23:05.06 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: at least you have a gta01 to play on in the mean time :( |
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| 23:05.32 | beren2 | just out of interest: did anyone of you already pre-order a freerunner? |
| 23:05.38 | anirudh | hi |
| 23:05.44 | SpeedEvil | I have no spare cash at all. |
| 23:05.48 | anirudh | need help in summer of code |
| 23:06.04 | anirudh | where do i propose my idea? i dont find a link for doing that |
| 23:06.11 | anirudh | on the moko wiki |
| 23:06.15 | SpeedEvil | I thought it had expired |
| 23:06.16 | cb22 | anirudh: please dont say you want to do the acceloremeters :) |
| 23:06.43 | anirudh | :) you are very imaginative! |
| 23:06.47 | anirudh | lol |
| 23:06.56 | anirudh | any irc rooms for that/ |
| 23:06.57 | anirudh | ? |
| 23:07.03 | cb22 | hopes there will be a shiny new web shop for buying freerunner |
| 23:08.17 | cb22 | something slightly more advanced then the YES_* emails =) |
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| 23:08.31 | anirudh | cb22 |
| 23:08.44 | cb22 | anirudh? |
| 23:08.44 | anirudh | please answer my question. |
| 23:08.52 | anirudh | i have to propose my idea :D |
| 23:09.34 | cb22 | speak to mickey|dinner? im just a humble user |
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| 23:10.17 | anirudh | can you pass me on his email? |
| 23:10.38 | anirudh | PM's not working |
| 23:10.40 | cb22 | that is, when he is back from his perpetual finner :p |
| 23:10.57 | cb22 | try the community mailing list |
| 23:11.04 | cb22 | lists.openmoko.org |
| 23:11.19 | SpeedEvil | anirudh: write it now - deadline is mondya |
| 23:12.09 | cb22 | pokes Sup3rkiddo with an odeviced covered stick |
| 23:12.21 | anirudh | i believe the deadline is getting extended |
| 23:12.23 | anirudh | till a week maybe |
| 23:12.49 | cb22 | anyone know how many slots om is going to get? |
| 23:14.08 | anirudh | speed |
| 23:14.33 | anirudh | need to know where to post my idea. didn't get any info on the WIkI |
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| 23:15.27 | cb22 | anirudh: probably on the community mailing list. but im not sure, maybe abraxa_ or Sup3rkiddo know |
| 23:17.46 | abraxa_ | To quote someone else... |
| 23:17.51 | abraxa_ | Maybe that's the first test |
| 23:21.34 | cb22 | abraxa_: btw, what are you applying for? |
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| 23:24.03 | anirudh | abraxa |
| 23:24.27 | anirudh | did you discuss your ideas with the mentors? |
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| 23:27.01 | Cthobs | What are the current valid MACHINEs for makefile? |
| 23:27.16 | abraxa_ | anirudh: I submitted it and the commented |
| 23:27.19 | abraxa_ | they* |
| 23:27.43 | abraxa_ | cb22: Middleware fun :) |
| 23:28.48 | anirudh | okay but where did you submit your idea? |
| 23:28.55 | anirudh | i cant find a forum or mailing list page |
| 23:28.59 | anirudh | can you pass me the URL |
| 23:38.57 | abraxa_ | Not trying to be mean or anything but... google makes it way easy |
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| 23:39.24 | abraxa_ | heh. |
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