| 00:00.19 | abraxa_ | playya: Maybe it's lagging again, it does that sometimes (don't ask me why) |
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| 00:03.27 | playya | ok |
| 00:03.37 | playya | have a look tomorow on it |
| 00:03.39 | playya | good night |
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| 00:56.03 | SpeedEvil | :) /me found his 4G microSD. |
| 00:56.19 | SpeedEvil | I'd put it in my picture frame to test that. |
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| 01:10.30 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03andrew * r4262 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/openmoko/env: Update buildhost image download paths one more time - patch from Marco Trevisan (Treviño). |
| 01:10.47 | summatusmentis | geez, he's sleeping again? |
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| 01:34.37 | SpeedEvil | Ok. |
| 01:34.47 | SpeedEvil | is having trouble with his new microSD. |
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| 01:45.19 | SpeedEvil | where do I get information about the raw SD device? |
| 01:45.56 | SpeedEvil | Gah |
| 01:45.59 | SpeedEvil | is stupid. |
| 01:46.28 | SpeedEvil | I was looking for something of 512M, and my eye was skipping the 4G line |
| 01:47.46 | mjr | hehe |
| 01:54.43 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. New microSD is faster than old in neo. |
| 01:54.49 | SpeedEvil | 5m to write 1G |
| 01:54.53 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 01:54.54 | SpeedEvil | read |
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| 02:25.45 | SpeedEvil | Interesting - 5m read, 6m write (of 1G on microSD) |
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| 03:08.46 | *** topic/#openmoko is Welcome to the OpenMoko support and discussion channel! | http://openmoko.org/ | New version is the FreeRunner (with WiFi and pre-alpha software) maybe due April | Official status: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates |
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| 03:08.59 | SpeedEvil | Oh. I was going to complain, then I realised my build ran out of disk. |
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| 03:31.58 | dcode | I was looking at the wiki for the contacts application...is this part of the openmoko framework? |
| 03:32.07 | dcode | where can I get this source to poke around? |
| 03:32.32 | dcode | is it part of libmokopim? |
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| 03:34.40 | dcode | where the UI's shown there simply wireframe mockups or do these UIs already exist in some form? |
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| 03:35.53 | ashish | hi everybody |
| 03:36.07 | ashish | i am a GSoC enthusiast |
| 03:36.24 | ashish | is a mentor available here |
| 03:36.26 | dcode | is openmoko using GTK or Enlightenment? the mockups/screenshots all look like e17, but the info looks like Gtk |
| 03:36.40 | dcode | ashish, I've been looking for one as well |
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| 03:37.08 | ashish | dcode: are the mentors for openmoko not assigned till now |
| 03:37.10 | bostonvaulter | Isn't Enlightenment a window manager? I'm pretty sure Openmoko uses GTK |
| 03:37.38 | ashish | dcode: which project you are trying for |
| 03:37.48 | ashish | openmoko uses GTk |
| 03:38.15 | dcode | ashish, I was interested in porting OM to the EZX devices...I have two...but can't seem to find any information or anyone that knows anything about it |
| 03:39.02 | dcode | bostonvaulter, Enlightenment is a window manager, but the underlying libraries are actually well suited to embedded development |
| 03:39.26 | bostonvaulter | oh, interesting. |
| 03:39.27 | dcode | the screenshots / mockups look like they use the default EFL themes |
| 03:42.52 | ashish | same here |
| 03:43.07 | ashish | i wanted to work on Bluetooth remote |
| 03:43.22 | ashish | that module in openmoko use GTK |
| 03:43.34 | ashish | so i suppose other will use the same too |
| 03:44.48 | dcode | the other think I'm interested in is developing the contacts application....I've got some pretty neat ideas...not all that could be accomplished in the SoC timeframe |
| 03:45.00 | dcode | but if I get it working on my phone, I'd run with it |
| 03:47.33 | dcode | where is OM in the dev roadmap? 2007.2? |
| 03:47.52 | dcode | is 2007.2 complete or in progress? |
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| 04:14.13 | linuxxr | I WANT ME MINI COMPUTER |
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| 04:25.20 | holycow | hallo moko |
| 04:29.15 | summatusmentis | hi holycow |
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| 04:46.37 | dcode | is the current contacts, calendar, etc the port from openhanded's pimlico? |
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| 05:02.34 | lunartear | Arg! i want a GTA02 :( |
| 05:03.14 | lunartear | any way of getting one early if i volunteer to work on the OS or something |
| 05:03.40 | daMaestro | sure, send $5000 to a developer.. they'll be sure to send you one |
| 05:03.48 | daMaestro | then you don't need to work on the OS ;-) |
| 05:03.53 | lunartear | lol |
| 05:04.12 | daMaestro | annnnd... if you *were* working on the OS and you make tons of amazing commits, etc.. i doubt you'd pay for one at all ;-) |
| 05:04.26 | daMaestro | you can run the platform in an emulated device |
| 05:04.47 | lunartear | is that what most are doing then |
| 05:05.04 | daMaestro | a lot of us got GTA01 to hack around on |
| 05:05.45 | daMaestro | but, if you don't have a device.. you can still develop with the qemu target |
| 05:06.02 | lunartear | hmm |
| 05:08.49 | lunartear | have some resources you could point me to? |
| 05:08.58 | lunartear | I can find the repo |
| 05:09.27 | lunartear | daMaestro |
| 05:11.01 | daMaestro | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Running_Openmoko_on_PC |
| 05:11.06 | daMaestro | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Openmoko_under_QEMU |
| 05:15.57 | summatusmentis | qemu is wicked slow |
| 05:16.45 | lunartear | thanks for the links |
| 05:18.45 | daMaestro | yeah, emulating that much hardware is not fun.. esp. MIPS <-> ARM |
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| 05:21.41 | lunartear | is there a todo list |
| 05:22.49 | lunartear | other than scraping the bug list |
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| 06:04.40 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r100 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (102 files in 7 dirs): * Initial commit |
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| 06:35.08 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r101 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/test/gsmd_common.py: Fixed test after changing the name of the binary |
| 06:35.49 | CM | gsmd2 :) |
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| 06:40.20 | mbuf | pkgconfig, and pkg-config locations have changed in the recent build |
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| 06:42.34 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r102 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Serial refactoring that was accidentally left out of initial commit |
| 06:43.38 | jitu3485 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:43.38 | jitu3485 | cc1: internal compiler error: in add_path, at c-incpath.c:362 |
| 06:43.38 | jitu3485 | Please submit a full bug report, |
| 06:43.38 | jitu3485 | with preprocessed source if appropriate. |
| 06:43.38 | jitu3485 | See <URL:http://gcc.gnu.org/bugs.html> for instructions. |
| 06:44.00 | jitu3485 | how to fix it |
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| 06:45.01 | XorA | jitu3485: thats really odd, libmokoui2 seems to build for most people |
| 06:46.31 | jitu3485 | XorA should i change the libmokoui2 to another directory |
| 06:47.09 | XorA | jitu3485: you should probably paste the full failure log, but I dont think Ill have time to help, I leave for airport in a few minutes |
| 06:48.03 | jitu3485 | fine ,happy journey |
| 06:48.13 | jitu3485 | XorA fine ,happy journey |
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| 07:07.52 | jitu3485 | error while building openmoko latest release detailed errror on this url URL: http://rafb.net/p/YIZ8ys44.html |
| 07:14.08 | mbuf | jitu3485, it is an error while cross-compiling; your build is complete |
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| 07:39.37 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:06.27 | mbuf | Hopscotch, good morning |
| 08:06.43 | ScaredyCat | hrrm |
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| 08:15.51 | mbuf | i am running /home/root/gllin/gllin, and it exits with "test_cmd_receive_count = 0" "gllin: early_exit(3) in halInit()/681" "Stacks ize 8864 bytes (9 KB)" |
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| 08:31.48 | methril | morning |
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| 08:33.43 | TRIsoft | morning |
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| 08:56.42 | ScaredyCat | can anyone else build python-edbus |
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| 09:02.17 | mbuf | ScaredyCat, Feb 27 build is complete |
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| 09:02.32 | mbuf | ScaredyCat, are you doing a new build? |
| 09:02.38 | ScaredyCat | yes.. |
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| 09:08.05 | playya | hi |
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| 09:09.34 | playya | i wrote a mail to community@lists.openmoko.org and i'm subscribed to this list |
| 09:10.10 | playya | but it never landed in my inbox. it is in the sent folder of gmail. |
| 09:12.34 | thomasg_ | well, mailman is a smart guy :) |
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| 09:17.14 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4263 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/buttonactions.c: neod: remove about openmoko window (Erin Yueh) |
| 09:19.12 | mbuf | anyone can help with gllin? |
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| 09:30.16 | josch | mbuf, whats the matter? |
| 09:30.55 | emdete | mbuf: shure... :) |
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| 09:34.35 | emdete | mbuf: u are using named-pipe and nobody is reading from it... |
| 09:35.29 | emdete | mbuf: i recommend not to use that and instead read the udp output from gllin which is the only stable way to use gllin imho |
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| 09:36.01 | emdete | mbuf: that needs a udp reader in gpsd or gypsi. pygpsd has that for that matter |
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| 09:49.39 | ecraven | any estimates on freerunner happening in april? |
| 09:50.45 | ScaredyCat | see the community mailing list |
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| 10:07.50 | mbuf | josch, emdete hi; |
| 10:08.28 | mbuf | josch, emdete this one --> http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-March/002303.html |
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| 10:09.20 | playya | hmpf |
| 10:09.30 | emdete | why would one mount that? hm, did you read what i wrote? |
| 10:09.56 | playya | resend the mail. but it seems the list doesn't want me to participate in SoC |
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| 10:10.52 | mbuf | emdete, wrote where? |
| 10:11.01 | emdete | mbuf: here. |
| 10:11.11 | emdete | mbuf: at 10:30 |
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| 10:11.30 | jordi__ | (hi everybody) just one quick question: Freerunner won't be usable as a phone in Japan or Korea, will it? |
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| 10:14.15 | mbuf | emdete, sorry, i might have missed it; but, do you have a log? how to check IRC time status on X-Chat? |
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| 10:15.15 | emdete | mbuf: u are using named-pipe and nobody is reading from it... i recommend not to use that and instead read the udp output from gllin which is the only stable way to use gllin imho. that needs a udp reader in gpsd or gypsi. pygpsd has that for that matter. |
| 10:15.20 | playya | options->text window-> timestamp |
| 10:17.48 | jordi__ | i am sorry to insist: do you know if there is any plan for any version of freerunner to support non-gsm phone networks? (i think this is what they have in japan and corea). |
| 10:18.27 | emdete | jordi__: perhaps its better to ask on a ml |
| 10:18.34 | jordi__ | ok thanks |
| 10:19.15 | bedboi | ScaredyCat: is the latest openmoko image stable enough? |
| 10:19.24 | emdete | jordi__: sry, but everything i could say would be a guess |
| 10:20.30 | bedboi | plus i have a question: is there any reason for not running the dialer in background by default? |
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| 10:20.47 | bedboi | the dialer should be very quick to start |
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| 10:26.43 | vimbie | whats up guys? |
| 10:26.54 | vimbie | hows things in openmoko land? anyone written any amazing apps for it yet? |
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| 10:30.58 | ScaredyCat | bedboi: seems good.. |
| 10:31.12 | ScaredyCat | although I ran out of credit on my payg sim.. |
| 10:31.25 | ScaredyCat | put the wife's contract one in at it's all ok |
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| 10:33.25 | vimbie | no news? |
| 10:33.36 | bedboi | what's the battery life time now? |
| 10:33.39 | bedboi | still 5 hours? |
| 10:33.42 | ScaredyCat | still poor |
| 10:34.06 | ScaredyCat | iirc there's been some talk of making the dailer part of today.. |
| 10:34.32 | ScaredyCat | but yes, starting the dialer by default might be useful.. |
| 10:35.16 | ScaredyCat | although I suspect it would bring the dialer window to the front at boot... |
| 10:35.19 | ScaredyCat | will test |
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| 10:53.53 | ScaredyCat | bedboi: it's fairly easy to do... |
| 10:53.59 | ScaredyCat | theres a caveat |
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| 10:54.10 | bedboi | ScaredyCat: it seems that the home view is started in a window... |
| 10:54.15 | bedboi | in the latest image |
| 10:54.31 | bedboi | is it a known issue? |
| 10:55.07 | Linux_Galore | just had an idea, how about a pie chart that shows what apps are consuming how much cpu resources, this way users can see if an app they have running is sucking their battery dry |
| 10:55.35 | ScaredyCat | bedboi: all sorted....! |
| 10:55.37 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:55.38 | ScaredyCat | /usr/bin/openmoko-dialer & |
| 10:55.40 | ScaredyCat | /usr/bin/x-window-manager |
| 10:55.47 | bedboi | yep |
| 10:57.20 | ScaredyCat | the problem is... |
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| 10:57.30 | ScaredyCat | when you click the dialer button |
| 10:57.38 | ScaredyCat | it starts another |
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| 10:58.48 | mbuf | emdete, sorry, what was your message regaridng GPS at 1030 ? |
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| 11:05.16 | CoreDump | !logs |
| 11:05.18 | cdbot2 | Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at: |
| 11:05.19 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko |
| 11:05.20 | cdbot2 | Live-logs are available at |
| 11:05.21 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko.livelog |
| 11:05.23 | cdbot2 | See ?? help-logs for usage instructions |
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| 11:10.22 | emdete | mbuf: at 11:15 i repeated everything. oups, sorry, 11:15 local time MET |
| 11:12.55 | playya | what are the rules for mailing to the MLs? |
| 11:13.20 | playya | subscribed [checked] correct email [checked] |
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| 11:28.58 | mbuf | emdete, ok found from the log; ned to read the udp output from gllin |
| 11:29.02 | mbuf | *need |
| 11:29.59 | emdete | mbuf: a gypsy plugin for udp would be what the community would urgently need :) |
| 11:30.19 | mbuf | emdete, but, how is the community currently using gllin? |
| 11:31.17 | emdete | mbuf: to be earnest: i dont know. i use it with my pygpsd, others probably do wild restarts with gsmd to keep both running on the named pipe |
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| 11:31.42 | emdete | mbuf: nothing with the named pipe is reliable so i just implemented pygpsd |
| 11:31.52 | mbuf | emdete, i see |
| 11:32.24 | mbuf | emdete, where can i get and use pygpsd? |
| 11:33.06 | emdete | mbuf: problem with pygpsd is that there is only one frontend using it: pylgrim. i will soon follow gypsy's api to support other guis also |
| 11:33.16 | mbuf | emdete, i see |
| 11:33.34 | mbuf | emdete, from where can i get more documentation on this gypsi API? |
| 11:34.22 | emdete | mbuf: see http://neo1973-germany.de/wiki/pylgrim and svn://projects.linuxtogo.org/svn/smartphones/trunk/software/pyneod |
| 11:34.38 | mohan | i sep up Host-based development with Xoo on my Pc .when i configure openmoko-dialer2 using ./configure i got error |
| 11:34.39 | emdete | mbuf: ah, sry. that was pygpsd. |
| 11:35.15 | mohan | http://rafb.net/p/hGlVpj92.html this link contains error message |
| 11:35.20 | emdete | http://folks.o-hand.com/iain/gypsy/ |
| 11:35.27 | mohan | any one can help me |
| 11:37.37 | mbuf | mohan, it says "No package 'alsa' found" |
| 11:38.25 | mohan | can i proceed next step |
| 11:39.11 | mbuf | emdete, gpysy is available for OM? |
| 11:39.29 | emdete | its contained in oe as far as i know |
| 11:39.35 | mbuf | emdete, i see |
| 11:41.08 | emdete | mbuf: you would be the hero of the localized gta01 world if you build a udp reader for gypsy ;) |
| 11:42.22 | mbuf | emdete, everyone is a hero here? |
| 11:42.50 | emdete | mbuf: eeee.., no. only udp receiver writer ;) |
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| 11:43.12 | mbuf | emdete, udp reader reads from GPS device and passes it to pygpsd? and all location-aware applications take it from pygpsd? |
| 11:43.29 | mohan | after that when i run $sudo make .it tells make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. |
| 11:43.46 | emdete | mbuf: no, that is already dne. pygpsd has a udp reader already. gypsy is missing one |
| 11:43.54 | mbuf | emdete, ok |
| 11:44.14 | emdete | mbuf: the community does not like py in daemons so gypsy is preferred |
| 11:44.26 | mbuf | emdete, i see |
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| 11:48.44 | RFID | I can i have other informations on mythtv task? |
| 11:49.06 | RFID | are ther related project? |
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| 12:08.10 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r103 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (25 files in 3 dirs): |
| 12:08.10 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: Renamed PATH examples |
| 12:08.10 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: Added stub functions for most dbus api methods |
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| 12:11.31 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r104 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/src/ (device.c sim.c sim.h): Adding missing function stubs. |
| 12:11.42 | mohan | Starting the nested OpenMoko on this page http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Host-based_development_with_Xoo_and_Xephyr.i can't understand ,please any one can help me |
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| 12:13.39 | Sup3rkiddo | ooh. gsmd2 is in the fs.o repos? |
| 12:14.15 | mohan | where i have to copy the script and how to run it |
| 12:16.45 | Sup3rkiddo | mohan, you can copy the script anywhere |
| 12:16.56 | mohan | ok then |
| 12:17.06 | mohan | how to run it |
| 12:18.08 | Sup3rkiddo | i dont see any scripts per se in that link...those are just sources from the svn....the usual, autogen.sh, make applies |
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| 12:19.38 | mohan | how to open openmoko applicaton on xoo |
| 12:19.54 | mohan | i installed it now |
| 12:20.33 | mohan | but i don't know how to run it |
| 12:20.35 | Sup3rkiddo | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Host-based_development_with_Xoo_and_Xephyr#Starting_the_nested_OpenMoko |
| 12:20.36 | Sup3rkiddo | ? |
| 12:20.43 | Sup3rkiddo | just run the script |
| 12:20.54 | mohan | ok |
| 12:21.00 | Sup3rkiddo | sh <name of the script> |
| 12:21.01 | mohan | i will do it |
| 12:21.08 | mohan | thanks |
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| 12:23.54 | flexd | uhm, i havent really looked on the mailing list or the wiki (or here for that matter) in a while, been busy. What's the expected release date the v4 (or is it v5?) hardware revision :o |
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| 12:25.13 | I-MOD | flexd, see topic |
| 12:25.37 | I-MOD | gta02 is now called the freerunner |
| 12:25.51 | broedje | can i read somewhere, maybe on some forums, what has the a780 in common with the software on the FIC, maybe...do you think i can do something for ya ;-) |
| 12:26.12 | broedje | do you use openezx? |
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| 12:29.23 | flexd | I-MOD: that i knew |
| 12:29.29 | flexd | i was thinking hardware revisions. |
| 12:29.43 | flexd | ooh april |
| 12:29.47 | flexd | thats almost soon |
| 12:29.52 | flexd | better not be first april :o |
| 12:30.05 | I-MOD | iirc, they're playing with gta02v5 prototypes right now, but my memory could be off |
| 12:31.07 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r105 10/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd/ (12 files in 5 dirs): gsm0710muxd: clean up buildsystem, remove initialization, fix make dist, prepare for 0.9.0 release |
| 12:31.40 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: does OM need gsmd still done? for does spyre's work make that unnecessary as a GSoC project? |
| 12:31.53 | mickeyl | i can't comment on that now |
| 12:31.58 | mickeyl | i have yet to look into gsmd2 |
| 12:32.10 | mickeyl | besides |
| 12:32.16 | mickeyl | i have not seen a phone project in GSoC |
| 12:32.26 | mickeyl | all i have seen were deviced proposals |
| 12:32.28 | mickeyl | (no telephony) |
| 12:32.39 | mickeyl | please remember there's a difference between ophoned and odeviced |
| 12:32.42 | summatusmentis | right, that's what I'm asking it, is it worth submitting a phone project? |
| 12:32.43 | mickeyl | completely different projects |
| 12:32.52 | mickeyl | summatusmentis: to be honest, i don't know |
| 12:33.06 | mickeyl | i need to evaluate all the options |
| 12:33.11 | summatusmentis | fair enough |
| 12:33.35 | summatusmentis | (I've just got a couple of days, could potentially still submit for ophoned as well) |
| 12:34.08 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 12:38.33 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r106 10/releases/ (. gsm0710muxd-0.9.0.tar.gz): add 0.9.0 release tarball |
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| 12:48.03 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, fyi, gsmd2 is in the fs.o svn now |
| 12:52.04 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r107 10/tags/ (. gsm0710muxd-0.9.0/): tag gsm0710muxd 0.9.0 |
| 12:58.13 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r108 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (8 files in 2 dirs): |
| 12:58.13 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: Implemented Initiate_Fail test |
| 12:58.13 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: Implemented minimal dbus error stuff |
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| 13:14.29 | tretle | hi, is there going to be album art in the freerunner when its released and will it use the same ui as 1973? |
| 13:15.08 | mickeyl | it will use the same UI as all effort went into hardware for the last months |
| 13:15.21 | mickeyl | further software updates will change lots of things on the UI level |
| 13:17.01 | tretle | cool |
| 13:17.58 | summatusmentis | and once mickeyl accepts me for GSoC, I'll get started on 'further software updates' :-D |
| 13:18.28 | mickeyl | heh |
| 13:18.38 | mickeyl | i'm just one of a bunch of mentors |
| 13:18.48 | mickeyl | -< little influence |
| 13:18.56 | summatusmentis | yeah, I know, and I'm just kidding |
| 13:19.21 | summatusmentis | little influence? really? Any question that ever gets asked about GSoC here gets directed to you, you're well respected |
| 13:19.24 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r109 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (7 files in 2 dirs): Renamed vendor to match actual modem model |
| 13:19.56 | mickeyl | :) |
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| 13:32.52 | abraxa_ | summatusmentis: The other mentors just avoid public exposure *coughs* |
| 13:33.05 | summatusmentis | lol, so as not to be pesterd constantly? |
| 13:33.33 | abraxa_ | Yeah, mickey gets pestered either way so it's not like has a choice ;) |
| 13:33.44 | summatusmentis | I guess that's true |
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| 13:38.03 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: 03hepaajan * r110 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (src/modem.c test/Makefile.am): Fix make check to work without installing |
| 13:38.18 | ScaredyCat | mickeyl: python-edbus ... is it me or is it broken?? |
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| 13:39.25 | ScaredyCat | marvels at using make to run init scripts |
| 13:39.54 | mickeyl | ScaredyCat: probably you |
| 13:39.59 | mickeyl | how's it breaking? |
| 13:40.01 | ScaredyCat | :( |
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| 13:40.42 | ScaredyCat | it's the .pc file |
| 13:40.48 | ScaredyCat | says it can't locate it |
| 13:41.20 | mickeyl | hmm, there have been tons of changes over the last two weeks |
| 13:41.22 | mickeyl | i'll have a go |
| 13:41.27 | mickeyl | what's your EFL_SRCDATE ? |
| 13:42.21 | ScaredyCat | http://pastebin.ca/960784 |
| 13:42.23 | ScaredyCat | errm... |
| 13:42.51 | mickeyl | ah |
| 13:42.55 | mickeyl | it's actually not finding dbus-python |
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| 13:43.28 | mickeyl | my build is running |
| 13:43.32 | mickeyl | we'll see soon |
| 13:43.54 | ScaredyCat | yes, dbus-python... what did i say.. |
| 13:43.59 | ScaredyCat | oh... |
| 13:44.00 | ScaredyCat | yes.. |
| 13:44.10 | ScaredyCat | ed's bus... |
| 13:44.28 | ScaredyCat | giggles |
| 13:44.55 | abraxa_ | turns ScaredyCat into GigglyCat |
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| 13:47.20 | mbuf | how can i check that pygpsd.py is running in the background? |
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| 13:48.50 | mickeyl | ps -ef? |
| 13:48.54 | ScaredyCat | ps -aux | grep pygpsd |
| 13:49.01 | mickeyl | ah well, not necessarily |
| 13:49.08 | mickeyl | pyneod runs them in one process |
| 13:49.17 | ScaredyCat | yoink! |
| 13:49.26 | mickeyl | might need to enable the debug out |
| 13:50.54 | mbuf | "root 1228 1224 1 01:48 ? 00:00:01 matchbox-panel-2 --start-applets systray,startup --end-applets openmoko-panel-battery,openmoko-panel-gsm,openmoko-panel-gps,openmoko-panel-usb,openmoko-panel-bt,openmoko-panel-memory,keyboard --titlebar" |
| 13:50.59 | mbuf | is that correct? |
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| 13:54.19 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: 03pikkive * r111 10/trunk/software/gsmd2/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 13:54.19 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: Modied tests that they make sure async calls return |
| 13:54.19 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: Added dbus method replies to gsmd2. |
| 13:54.49 | mbuf | mickeyl, ScaredyCat neod is the daemon that is run by pyneod.py ? |
| 13:55.54 | mickeyl | no, these are different things |
| 13:56.00 | mickeyl | neod is the device daemon in the gtk environment |
| 13:56.08 | mickeyl | pyneod is a replacement from the moko underground os |
| 13:56.29 | emdete | mbuf: pyneod.py is a plugin-wrapper around some py???d.py. one is pygsmd, another pygpsd... |
| 13:56.41 | mbuf | mickeyl, is it integrated with the build environment, or do i have to install it separately? my version is 200803131743 |
| 13:57.20 | mbuf | emdete, just checked out svn://projects.linuxtogo.org/svn/smartphones/trunk/software ; going through it |
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| 13:57.58 | emdete | mbuf: if you just want to play around / test you may start every single daemon in the command line |
| 13:58.51 | mbuf | emdete, from ps -ef output, i don't see a pygpsd entry; how can i use it; i would like to first get data from pygpsd, (raw text); then i can look into gypsy-daemon? |
| 13:59.01 | mbuf | *how can i use it? |
| 13:59.06 | emdete | mbuf: no, its plugged into pyneod.py |
| 13:59.17 | mickeyl | perhaps it's not enabled |
| 13:59.21 | emdete | mbuf: you see the log in /var/log/messages |
| 13:59.27 | mbuf | emdete, mickeyl ok |
| 13:59.46 | emdete | mbuf: also take a look into /etc/pyneod.ini - the sections enable each daemon |
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| 14:00.10 | ScaredyCat | bitbake -c rebuild moko-underground-image |
| 14:00.21 | mbuf | emdete, there is no /var/log/messages |
| 14:00.46 | emdete | coredump |
| 14:01.00 | emdete | sry, that can't be ;) |
| 14:01.26 | mickeyl | logread -f |
| 14:02.43 | emdete | mbuf: what does your /etc/syslog.conf say? |
| 14:04.07 | mbuf | emdete, http://rafb.net/p/ajUJTR14.html |
| 14:05.21 | emdete | mbuf: see line 5... |
| 14:06.05 | mbuf | emdete, yes, but, the file doesn't exist; do you want me to create it? |
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| 14:06.56 | emdete | mbuf: don't care - just use the command mickeyl mentioned |
| 14:07.06 | mbuf | emdete, ok |
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| 14:38.02 | broedje | qq |
| 14:42.21 | cb22 | can the accelerometeres detect if the phone is ace up or face down on a table? |
| 14:43.19 | abraxa_ | Ask SpeedEvil ;) |
| 14:43.30 | mwester | perks up his ears to listen for the answer to that question, too |
| 14:43.38 | cb22 | !SpeedEvil can the accelerometeres detect if the phone is ace up or face down on a table? |
| 14:44.17 | summatusmentis | I would think so, isn't that the point? |
| 14:45.01 | cb22 | i think they can - IIRC they detect where 'down' is rather decently |
| 14:45.06 | summatusmentis | raster: you probably don't know this, are there debian packages for e17? |
| 14:45.11 | mwester | wants a simple feature that switches the ringer to vibrate-only if face-down, and the GPS says we're at work, or the wifi says that a specific wireless AP is nearby, indicating that we're in the executive conference room, for example. |
| 14:45.28 | cb22 | mwester: you seen the latest mails on community? |
| 14:45.52 | summatusmentis | mwester: all of that makes sense, except, I don't understand why you'd want it to know if it was face down |
| 14:46.11 | cb22 | summatusmentis: its a kickass way to shut up your phone |
| 14:46.19 | summatusmentis | lol, oh |
| 14:46.40 | DPThought | i'm completely lost on the gps deamon choices front. I see gpsd is bad and needs to be abandoned. But what else? gypsy, pyneod? pypsy looks very pleasing. I was just about to make a navit plugin for that, but then i found out it lacks udp support for gllin as far as i can see it. Is there yet any conclusion which way to go? The gps situation is currently just awfull (gpsd initscript, crappy gllin wrapper script, nmea pipe...) |
| 14:47.23 | mwester | summatusmentis: When the meeting starts, I turn the phone face down -- face up at break time to permit it to ring. |
| 14:48.12 | DPThought | I have currently no build system running. But i would be glad if i could do something to improve the situation... |
| 14:48.26 | zedstar | i am working on a dbus server process that will let u know the distance from other users....can use to set alerts etc if user in certain distance |
| 14:48.32 | summatusmentis | mwester: that's cool |
| 14:48.43 | summatusmentis | how many other phones have accelerometers? iPhone? |
| 14:49.42 | mwester | zedstar: That should be integrated into the ringer as well -- so that my phone does not ring if I'm speaking with my boss, but it *always* rings 2 minutes after a very annoying co-worker comes nearby, and stays near... :D |
| 14:50.13 | zedstar | mwester: well yeh others can write other dbus utils.....is the kewl thing about dbus |
| 14:50.16 | abraxa_ | DPThought: If I were you I'd ask emdete what he has planned - patching gypsy with UDP support, completing pygpsd or whatever else |
| 14:50.20 | zedstar | mine is just gonna handle distance |
| 14:50.56 | DPThought | summatusmentis: since the iphone unveiling some have picked up the idea. But not many. :) - yet |
| 14:51.40 | summatusmentis | DPThought: I see |
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| 14:51.58 | raster | summatusmentis: ummm..... i belive in experimental - or will be soon |
| 14:52.18 | summatusmentis | experimental != unstable, iirc? |
| 14:52.28 | avtobiff | correct |
| 14:52.44 | summatusmentis | :-/ |
| 14:52.46 | summatusmentis | ok |
| 14:52.59 | Tanuva | experimental is one more step away from stable |
| 14:53.30 | wurp2|working | woohoo, 3/27's 1973 image sounds like a big improvement |
| 14:53.42 | wurp2|working | it's nice to see those contact list changes go in |
| 14:55.05 | wurp2|working | OK, what is up with the "My area too is poorly mapped." message on the mailing list? I swear I've seen 15 copies of it or more |
| 14:57.45 | mickey_away | ScaredyCat: fyi: you were right, there was a pkgconfig missing in python-dbus. fixed and commited. thanks! |
| 14:57.50 | wurp2|working | make that 25 or more; just finished reading my community digests |
| 14:58.06 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 15:02.03 | cb22 | wurp2: heh, i agree. |
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| 15:05.29 | bedboi | ScaredyCat: there? |
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| 15:05.44 | ScaredyCat | aye |
| 15:06.16 | bedboi | ScaredyCat: in your latest image, the openmoko "home" (i don't remember the name of the application) seems to run in a window |
| 15:06.48 | bedboi | plus no status bar is present |
| 15:06.52 | ScaredyCat | hrmm.. |
| 15:06.59 | ScaredyCat | seems odd... that's on mine here... |
| 15:07.11 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:08.04 | wurp2 | bedboi: That's a fairly common hiccup in X on the 1973 for me |
| 15:08.10 | wurp2 | bedboi: Regardless of the build |
| 15:08.44 | ScaredyCat | you mean like there's no gtkrc ? |
| 15:08.48 | wurp2 | bedboi: I will start up some app, or shut down the screen lock, and everything moves into a window, usually a cursor appears, and the status bar goes away |
| 15:08.49 | ScaredyCat | blue window? |
| 15:09.01 | ScaredyCat | (title bar) |
| 15:09.03 | bedboi | yep |
| 15:09.08 | bedboi | that's it |
| 15:09.12 | bedboi | matchbox |
| 15:09.16 | bedboi | the default one |
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| 15:09.44 | wurp2 | I always have to restart the neo :-( |
| 15:10.05 | abraxa_ | bedboi: Screenshot please :) |
| 15:10.09 | wurp2 | If I have network access to it I can just restart x, but I usually don't have that access |
| 15:10.35 | wurp2 | I really need to get my shit together and start submitting bug reports :-) |
| 15:10.54 | ScaredyCat | can you ssh in and do : /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart |
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| 15:11.23 | ScaredyCat | mickey_away: monotone.om dead? |
| 15:11.39 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03werner * r4264 10/trunk/src/host/devirginator/config.gta02v5: config.gta02v5: updated for new uImage and rootfs name change ("fic" to "om") |
| 15:12.57 | bedboi | ScaredyCat: yep,btw i have to wait, the battery is completely drained (as always) |
| 15:15.37 | wurp2 | cb22: Maybe we're the only ones getting the mails as digests... |
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| 15:28.43 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4265 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (6 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 15:28.43 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 2008-03-28 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com> |
| 15:28.43 | CIA-17 | openmoko: * src/sms-compose.c: (page_shown), (sms_compose_page_new): |
| 15:28.43 | CIA-17 | openmoko: * src/sms-contacts.c: (contacts_changed_cb), (contacts_removed_cb), |
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| 15:28.47 | CIA-17 | openmoko: (nophoto_filter_func), (contacts_iter_compare_func), |
| 15:28.49 | CIA-17 | openmoko: (contacts_visible_func), (malloc_list_free), |
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| 15:37.21 | DPThought | hm, i have just installed tangogps with opkg install -d card but ipkg-link add tangogps does not find the package to link it to root |
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| 15:38.44 | DPThought | oh, if i install it with ipkg it works. First time i have any incompatibilities with opkg to ipkg |
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| 15:51.44 | CM | ~curse pth_2.0.2.bb |
| 15:51.45 | apt | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, pth_2.0.2.bb ! |
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| 15:52.29 | ScaredyCat | still!!!!?? |
| 15:52.35 | CM | ScaredyCat: Yes, still |
| 15:52.43 | CM | It just won't build past task 1711 |
| 15:53.03 | BornToLag | hi anyone involved in the google summer of code? |
| 15:53.22 | CM | XorA said he had that problem some time long ago too |
| 15:54.01 | CM | I'll have to look at the code again. :( |
| 15:54.28 | abraxa_ | BornToLag: What would you like to know? |
| 15:54.41 | CM | abraxa_: Hey :) |
| 15:54.49 | abraxa_ | Hiho CM :) |
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| 15:56.32 | BornToLag | i'm interesting in applying and was wondering what would be involved to realise the accelerometer idea |
| 15:57.21 | SpeedEvil | what idea |
| 15:57.23 | abraxa_ | BornToLag: I'd recommend you picking a different subject - there are already 5 other people wanting to do this |
| 15:57.24 | SpeedEvil | there are thousands |
| 15:58.03 | BornToLag | ahh! just as well I asked then |
| 15:59.07 | SpeedEvil | The 'makes light-saber noises when you wave it around' ? |
| 15:59.24 | BornToLag | hehe thats the one... |
| 15:59.33 | zedstar | i wonder if people just go down the list of mentor companies and spam them with ideas.... i hope openmoko choose wisely and award to somebody who has at least shown an interest in the project for a while |
| 15:59.44 | zedstar | i like the "test battery level" with shake idea :) |
| 16:00.02 | SpeedEvil | I like 'Scream when dropped'. |
| 16:00.11 | zedstar | ahah yeh |
| 16:00.21 | summatus|dungeon | test battery level? |
| 16:00.41 | zedstar | yeh some clowns did it already tho |
| 16:00.42 | SpeedEvil | summatus|dungeon: it sloshes when you shake it |
| 16:00.46 | CM | SpeedEvil: Hehe, that one would be cool. "NOOOOoooo...." :) |
| 16:01.25 | summatus|dungeon | SpeedEvil: oh weird... |
| 16:01.25 | BornToLag | do you have any recommendations for interesting medium difficulty projects? |
| 16:01.41 | SpeedEvil | BornToLag: wander over the ideas page |
| 16:02.09 | CM | BornToLag: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Summer_of_code |
| 16:02.45 | zedstar | accelerometer to dbus type interfaces be nice |
| 16:03.21 | summatus|dungeon | zedstar: maybe falls under odeviced? |
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| 16:04.27 | wurp2 | BornToLag: Better to look at the FreeRunner hardware, think really hard what amazing thing could be done with low level gsm info + gps + accelerometer + wifi and come up with your own amazing idea |
| 16:04.50 | SpeedEvil | BornToLag: look at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:Ideas |
| 16:04.51 | zedstar | summatus: what is that/ |
| 16:04.52 | zedstar | ? |
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| 16:05.04 | wurp2 | mickey_away is really keen on people coming up with their own idea for them to fall in love with... |
| 16:05.05 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: plus mic |
| 16:05.25 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: good point |
| 16:05.32 | wurp2 | and speaker, of course |
| 16:05.40 | SpeedEvil | Sure. |
| 16:05.43 | summatus|dungeon | zedstar: www.freesmartphone.org, mickey_away wants to have a pretty standard set of daemons that will be usable for 'free smartphones' in general, instead of only OM |
| 16:05.47 | SpeedEvil | The one speaker cripples ou for sonar though. |
| 16:05.49 | Sup3rkiddo | summatus|dungeon, dungeon? |
| 16:06.03 | summatus|dungeon | dungeon is what they call the CSCI programming lab at school |
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| 16:06.30 | zedstar | summatus: oh ok yeh familiar with that |
| 16:07.22 | summatus|dungeon | zedstar: (also, the thing Sup3rkiddo and myself applied for in GSoC) |
| 16:07.23 | ScaredyCat | is anyone thinking about location based stuff? |
| 16:07.45 | zedstar | summatus: wot u wanna do? |
| 16:07.58 | summatus|dungeon | zedstar: implement it :) |
| 16:08.02 | Sup3rkiddo | summatus|dungeon, from how mickeyl sounded there seems to be many who did that |
| 16:08.11 | summatus|dungeon | DBUS API, modular backends |
| 16:08.16 | Tanuva | wants his freerunner to gpslog his home and improve osm... :) |
| 16:08.24 | summatus|dungeon | Sup3rkiddo: uh oh... :/ |
| 16:08.54 | Sup3rkiddo | summatus|dungeon, muhahah... |
| 16:09.03 | Sup3rkiddo | hastily changes his proposal |
| 16:09.15 | wurp2 | A high level location dbus api would be extra cool |
| 16:09.26 | zedstar | summatus: ah ok.....good idea....when they say works on other devices are dependencies on glib ok or cant even assume glib exists? |
| 16:10.11 | wurp2 | If you could just define an location with a coarse grained area around it, then use gps + gsm info + wifi + maybe bluetooth + maybe accelerometer to generate location information & events when you enter that area |
| 16:10.15 | wurp2 | (and exit) |
| 16:10.26 | summatus|dungeon | zedstar: my understanding is that fs.o is very preliminary. If i understand correctly, the specs for modules and dbus interface are not entirely specified yet |
| 16:10.34 | Sup3rkiddo | nope |
| 16:10.38 | Sup3rkiddo | not for odeviced |
| 16:10.55 | summatus|dungeon | Sup3rkiddo: what do you mean? did I miss part of fs.o? |
| 16:10.58 | zedstar | cos the glib bindings for dbus are nice |
| 16:11.38 | Sup3rkiddo | summatus|dungeon, afaik, we are the first ones to work on that |
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| 16:12.01 | summatus|dungeon | right, which means we get to decide on specifications for the API right? |
| 16:12.33 | summatus|dungeon | and by we, I mean you, because you seem to have a better handle on the project |
| 16:13.05 | Sup3rkiddo | bleh to you |
| 16:13.45 | Sup3rkiddo | summatus|dungeon, from what mickeyl sounded, there may be others who must have proposed work on odeviced |
| 16:14.48 | summatus|dungeon | I haven't gotten that impression, but if that's the case, well, I probably won't get it then |
| 16:15.13 | wurp2 | my experience on other projects is that whoever makes a decent standard first and publishes it wins |
| 16:15.26 | Sup3rkiddo | summatus|dungeon, did you take a look at gsmd2 |
| 16:15.37 | Sup3rkiddo | doesnt have a device atm to test them out :( |
| 16:15.40 | summatus|dungeon | Sup3rkiddo: no, I didn't. I thought about it, there's a new version |
| 16:16.09 | summatus|dungeon | wurp2: decent standard meaning? a plan for the API? |
| 16:16.11 | abraxa_ | summatus|dungeon, Sup3rkiddo: Problem is that only one of you could get paid for it. Sure you're free to collaborate and get paid half each but... |
| 16:16.38 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, gulp!... |
| 16:17.14 | Sup3rkiddo | maybe integrating gsm0710 mux with gsmd2 qualifies for a good GSoC project? |
| 16:17.25 | summatus|dungeon | abraxa_: yeah, we were sort of trying to figure out a way to split it, kinda hard to do |
| 16:17.39 | abraxa_ | Yeah... and odeviced isn't exactly something you can split in two parts. Maybe one can do odeviced and one otelephonyd/ophoned... you'll have to ask mickey |
| 16:17.45 | summatus|dungeon | so now we just talk to each other about it, because it's about the only thing that I can contribute :) |
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| 16:18.34 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, mickey says there are 4 possibilities for ophoned....both of us are kinda confused in that front |
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| 16:18.41 | wurp2 | summatus|dungeon: yeah |
| 16:19.03 | abraxa_ | Sup3rkiddo: With that I'm sure he's refering to the GSM backends. There's gsmd, gsmd2, pygsmd and something else |
| 16:19.26 | summatus|dungeon | qtmux\gsmd |
| 16:19.33 | wurp2 | summatus|dungeon: Just list the methods, structures, events, preferably to the point of having something that a client can code to |
| 16:19.42 | abraxa_ | Sup3rkiddo: Picking the right one could be part of the SoC project - i.e. research |
| 16:19.49 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, yep....problem is there are only 3 days to come up with another proposal |
| 16:19.57 | wurp2 | If nothing else, it gives people something concrete to bitch about if they think they know a better way |
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| 16:20.21 | summatus|dungeon | wurp2: I put that part of planning the API as part of the GSoC project |
| 16:20.23 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, and summatus|dungeon and me are quite inexperienced in that front.. |
| 16:20.31 | abraxa_ | Sup3rkiddo: That's why there are mentors ;p |
| 16:20.34 | Sup3rkiddo | summatus|dungeon, hehe, me too |
| 16:20.39 | wurp2 | People often will keep their ideas to themselves until you tell them you're gonna do it a way they think is wrong, then they'll speak up :-) |
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| 16:21.27 | Sup3rkiddo | summatus|dungeon, lets update the proposal before they fix the webapp bug :P |
| 16:21.38 | summatus|dungeon | webapp bug? |
| 16:21.46 | wurp2 | summatus|dungeon: I hope I'm not leading you astray, but if *I* were figuring out to whom I should give a project, and one guy already had a sample API laid out that made sense, I know that would significantly influence my decision |
| 16:22.02 | Sup3rkiddo | summatus|dungeon, you can edit without getting comments from the mentors |
| 16:22.06 | cb22 | API race, gogogo!! |
| 16:22.07 | summatus|dungeon | wurp2: no, that makes sense, I just feel inexperienced |
| 16:22.24 | summatus|dungeon | Sup3rkiddo: no you can't, I tried on a different project, it pretends to let you, but then doesn't take |
| 16:22.33 | Sup3rkiddo | summatus|dungeon, wha!!! |
| 16:22.37 | summatus|dungeon | yeah, afaik |
| 16:22.42 | abraxa_ | wurp2: Forget it. There's tons of people who want to do accelerometers and some other peeps with random ideas |
| 16:23.08 | Sup3rkiddo | signouts and logs in |
| 16:23.37 | summatus|dungeon | is hoping OM picks something that would further the middleware APIs, instead of niceties |
| 16:23.44 | Sup3rkiddo | too |
| 16:23.55 | Sup3rkiddo | ophoned and odeviced should be top top top priority |
| 16:23.55 | summatus|dungeon | but then again, I'm not biased or anything |
| 16:24.56 | Sup3rkiddo | summatus|dungeon, hey, updates work for me...but i am not sure if the webapp is giving me a false sense of security :P |
| 16:25.01 | wurp2 | abraxa_: Ah, I see. I actually thought they were talking about some location based stuff |
| 16:25.17 | summatus|dungeon | Sup3rkiddo: really? weird |
| 16:25.19 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, i think you are a python developer |
| 16:25.23 | wurp2 | I agree that the guy on the mailing list who had done accelerometer gesture stuff in the past probably wins |
| 16:25.32 | Sup3rkiddo | summatus|dungeon, check the soc lists as well... |
| 16:25.44 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: Java, C, C++, Python, perl for text processing... |
| 16:26.05 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, have you worked with psyco?.. |
| 16:26.09 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: But I don't see what that has to do with anything |
| 16:26.14 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: Yep, but only as a client |
| 16:26.32 | wurp2 | Being a client to psyco is trivial |
| 16:26.39 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, is porting psyco for the FreeRunner, a stupid idea? |
| 16:26.59 | cb22 | probably |
| 16:27.04 | cb22 | with pypy being so cool |
| 16:27.05 | wurp2 | I think it's a great idea, although you should look at pypy too to see which would be easier |
| 16:27.26 | cb22 | pypy's translation == super cool |
| 16:27.32 | wurp2 | You will probably have to write an interpeter instead that xlates from their "common assembler" to our ARM instruction set |
| 16:27.35 | ScaredyCat | stupid name |
| 16:27.37 | ScaredyCat | cc |
| 16:27.42 | ScaredyCat | perlperl |
| 16:27.44 | Sup3rkiddo | asm stuff is uber geeky |
| 16:27.54 | ScaredyCat | cheesecheese |
| 16:28.00 | cb22 | snakesnakebadger |
| 16:28.01 | ScaredyCat | cb22cb22 |
| 16:28.08 | wurp2 | They already have pypy (or psyco, don't remember which) code to do the super optimization targeting a neutral instruction set |
| 16:28.12 | cb22 | ScaredyCatScardyCat |
| 16:28.31 | wurp2 | Really using the ARM instruction set properly from pypy or psyco is probably too much for GSoC |
| 16:28.33 | cb22 | pypy can convert python to javascript |
| 16:28.42 | wurp2 | cb22: Wow, I didn't know that... |
| 16:28.47 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, agreed...thats why i asked |
| 16:28.48 | cb22 | you dont get much cooler :D |
| 16:28.57 | wurp2 | I don't have any use for that, but it's pretty neat |
| 16:29.01 | cb22 | wurp2: and to flex |
| 16:29.06 | cb22 | and to C |
| 16:29.16 | wurp2 | I would prefer pypy, since it's more maintained |
| 16:29.34 | cb22 | http://www.taniquetil.com.ar/py/chimp/chimp.html |
| 16:29.44 | ScaredyCat | " I'll try to  explore the synergy opportunities for the accelerometers" <---- a management consultant that's a developer? :P |
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| 16:30.11 | wurp2 | and it sounds as if you could start with a framework that just sends it to C and compiles for Neo architecture & be done :-) |
| 16:30.16 | summatus|dungeon | see, that's where I went wrong in my applicatoin |
| 16:30.27 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, yeah |
| 16:30.34 | summatus|dungeon | I forgot the phrase transversal homomorphist synergy |
| 16:30.43 | Sup3rkiddo | oo.. |
| 16:30.48 | cb22 | you lucky basterds should all get freerunners too |
| 16:30.56 | Sup3rkiddo | goes to the essay generator |
| 16:31.01 | Sup3rkiddo | cb22, who? |
| 16:31.04 | ScaredyCat | summatus|dungeon: :) |
| 16:31.11 | cb22 | Sup3rkiddo: GSoC people |
| 16:31.20 | Sup3rkiddo | holy |
| 16:31.29 | Sup3rkiddo | that's cool |
| 16:31.40 | ScaredyCat | broken ones though |
| 16:31.43 | summatus|dungeon | cb22: I saw that, but I assume it's only for the time of GSoC |
| 16:31.48 | Sup3rkiddo | still coooler |
| 16:31.58 | summatus|dungeon | ScaredyCat: sean didn't really say if they were going to be broken or not |
| 16:32.02 | Sup3rkiddo | summatus|dungeon, na, it may be a gift |
| 16:32.17 | summatus|dungeon | Sup3rkiddo: could be, mayebe |
| 16:32.22 | summatus|dungeon | god I can't spell |
| 16:32.34 | ScaredyCat | naa.. they'll be broken just to frustrate your coding |
| 16:32.37 | Sup3rkiddo | ~lart summatus|dungeon for bad speeeling |
| 16:32.37 | apt | hurls dozens of incontinent, insomniac, hungry kittens with tiny little razor-sharp claws and a wide variety of contagious intestinal parasites at summatus|dungeon for bad speeeling |
| 16:32.55 | cb22 | summatus|dungeon: they'd probably be early protype version thingys |
| 16:32.58 | Sup3rkiddo | ScaredyCat, you are just being cynical :S |
| 16:33.05 | cb22 | they would probably let you keep them |
| 16:33.05 | Sup3rkiddo | cb22, thats still cooler |
| 16:33.07 | ScaredyCat | no, just bitter |
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| 16:33.20 | summatus|dungeon | cb22: well, early prototypes would mean functional right? |
| 16:33.24 | cb22 | sure |
| 16:33.41 | cb22 | maybe from the PVT run coming up |
| 16:33.49 | summatus|dungeon | *NOT COVERED UNDER WARRATY, YOU'RE FUCKERED IF THEY BREAK |
| 16:33.52 | summatus|dungeon | :) |
| 16:33.53 | cb22 | i dunno though, ask someone like mickey_away for more info |
| 16:33.57 | Sup3rkiddo | for one if at all i get in, i would be working of user space stuff..so unless i brick it no worries |
| 16:34.04 | cb22 | that is,when he's back from being away :p |
| 16:34.23 | summatus|dungeon | alright, I'm leaving be back later maybe, class is over |
| 16:34.27 | Sup3rkiddo | i hate when he does tha :S |
| 16:34.28 | ScaredyCat | is Gmail senind 20 million dupes again |
| 16:34.33 | ScaredyCat | sendog |
| 16:34.34 | ScaredyCat | sending |
| 16:34.41 | Sup3rkiddo | summatus|dungeon, chao |
| 16:34.42 | summatus|dungeon | I didn't do anything except talk to you people, thanks! |
| 16:34.50 | cb22 | ~lart SpeedEvil for hypocrisy |
| 16:34.50 | apt | pulls out his louisville slugger and uses SpeedEvil's head to break the homerun record for hypocrisy |
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| 16:35.06 | cb22 | argh, s/speedevil/scardycat/ |
| 16:35.35 | ScaredyCat | I've got a good GSoc codeing job for someone... |
| 16:35.39 | ScaredyCat | fix gmail |
| 16:35.44 | Sup3rkiddo | gmail is cool |
| 16:35.51 | ScaredyCat | no it's not.. |
| 16:35.56 | Sup3rkiddo | ok its not |
| 16:36.01 | ScaredyCat | it's data mining done well, but not cool |
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| 16:39.20 | wurp2 | Does anyone know offhand how to get the list of cells in range & strength from libgsmd-tool's shell mode? |
| 16:39.39 | wurp2 | Neither nr nor Q did it, and they were the only commands in the help list that seemed likely to me |
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| 16:40.23 | ScaredyCat | mickey_away: did you put that finx in oe or om ? |
| 16:40.25 | ScaredyCat | fix |
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| 16:40.47 | dcode | morning, all |
| 16:42.25 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, get the opers list |
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| 16:43.00 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, its one of the numbers iirc.. |
| 16:43.42 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, oops, not the opers list...sorry :D |
| 16:44.02 | Sup3rkiddo | ~fish Sup3rkiddo for stupidity |
| 16:44.03 | apt | ACTION slaps Sup3rkiddo for stupidity around with a large trout |
| 16:44.46 | ScaredyCat | AT+CNMI=3,0,2 |
| 16:48.51 | wurp2 | So only in atmcd mode? |
| 16:49.00 | wurp2 | That's not a problem, just kind of surprising |
| 16:49.16 | wurp2 | s/atmcd/atcmd/ |
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| 16:49.46 | wurp2 | Thanks for the info |
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| 16:53.33 | ScaredyCat | AT+CSCB=1 |
| 16:53.50 | ScaredyCat | just gave me the local region (std code) |
| 16:54.31 | wurp2 | I'm going to write a crutch process to ping the cell network every N minutes & restart gsm if necessary |
| 16:54.59 | ScaredyCat | cell broadcasts... |
| 16:55.05 | ScaredyCat | you could listen for those |
| 16:55.05 | wurp2 | And probably record that info for fun on my phone & correlate with gps |
| 16:55.22 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: I dunno how to listen for those, other than keep libgsmd-tool open all the time |
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| 16:55.34 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: Is there a dbus or other event interface for them? |
| 16:55.47 | ScaredyCat | you use python? |
| 16:55.51 | wurp2 | normally |
| 16:56.01 | ScaredyCat | take a look at the settings gui |
| 16:56.13 | wurp2 | Good point |
| 16:56.19 | ScaredyCat | iirc it creates a pipe |
| 16:56.28 | wurp2 | To libgsmd-tool? That's what I've been doing |
| 16:56.33 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 16:56.37 | wurp2 | K |
| 16:56.38 | ScaredyCat | same thing I guess |
| 16:56.45 | wurp2 | It just feels weird to keep the app up all the time |
| 16:56.48 | wurp2 | And... |
| 16:56.51 | ScaredyCat | yes... |
| 16:56.53 | ScaredyCat | well... |
| 16:56.55 | ScaredyCat | imho |
| 16:57.05 | summatusmentis | does anyone know of any pre-liminary reading I could do on dbus? |
| 16:57.10 | ScaredyCat | all the stuff like that should have a dbus i/f |
| 16:57.10 | wurp2 | It's easier programatically to ask for the info and freak if I don't get it, than monitor the last time I got it and freak if it's too long |
| 16:57.23 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: I think that's the plan |
| 16:57.33 | ScaredyCat | or even something in /proc/ |
| 16:57.49 | wurp2 | summatusmentis: I put (most of) the current Neo dbus api on the wiki |
| 16:58.04 | wurp2 | summatusmentis: And I have client code that walks dbus if you're interested |
| 16:58.22 | wurp2 | (in python). It's pretty straightforward. |
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| 16:58.38 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, the dbus tutorial is also there |
| 16:58.42 | ScaredyCat | it's not too hard in c either... |
| 16:58.51 | ScaredyCat | somewhere I have a simple test app I did.. |
| 16:59.49 | summatusmentis | wurp2: I would be interested in that code |
| 17:00.00 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, there are some python bindings to libgsmd i made earlier...just maybe it will interest you (although emdete's is loads better) |
| 17:00.03 | summatusmentis | anyone have the specific link off the top of their head? |
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| 17:00.38 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/D-Bus/Introduction |
| 17:01.10 | summatusmentis | thanks Sup3rkiddo |
| 17:01.51 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, hey theres gsmd2 code too :P |
| 17:02.35 | wurp2 | Sup3rkiddo: Will emdete's run in the normal OM environment, or is it underground specific? |
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| 17:02.42 | summatusmentis | Sup3rkiddo: yeah, i think I have an old old version of it |
| 17:03.00 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, i am not sure as i havent really played with it... |
| 17:04.52 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, i have an ipk here from an older revision...but i think you should look around the svn first to check it it will help at all...it was more of an exercise in learning |
| 17:04.53 | Sup3rkiddo | http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/python-openmoko/ |
| 17:05.22 | wurp2 | Cool, thanks! |
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| 17:07.53 | Sup3rkiddo | wurp2, i think theres a bitbake recipe in OE as well...you may have to change SRC_URI as i had move things around svn |
| 17:08.26 | dcode | I have (IMHO) a great idea that I'd like to do a GSoC project on. It isn't directly related to any of the suggested projects on the SoC page, but I think it would be a good plan. I wanted to bounce it off some of you guys to see what you thought. |
| 17:08.42 | Sup3rkiddo | dcode, cool :D |
| 17:09.17 | dcode | To me, the difference between a phone, e-mail client, IM client, etc are not that different...this isn't an entirely new concept, but I think a mobile phone should be 100% integrated into a presence framework |
| 17:09.52 | dcode | use case 1: I set myself as Do not disturb, the ring tone profile changes to silent or vibrate, my status on any IM client is changed to the same |
| 17:10.35 | dcode | when I send a message, it looks at the user in my contact list and sees if they have an online presence on a compatible IM network...if so, instead of SMS, the phone defaults to IM |
| 17:10.50 | dcode | if the user isn't online, it falls back to SMS |
| 17:11.42 | dcode | this provides similar functionality as Galago on the desktop, but extends into the mobile realm |
| 17:12.46 | dcode | the effort would be applied largely to the contacts application, and other client apps....like a telepathy client, should some one take up that project |
| 17:13.37 | dcode | of course, in the panel somewhere (I've been tinkering w/ the qemu image) changing the ringtone profile correlates to a presence status |
| 17:14.03 | Sup3rkiddo | dcode, imo, i think you should go ahead with a proposal....deadline for doing so is near |
| 17:14.05 | dcode | does this sound like something that aligns with OpenMoko's goals? |
| 17:14.09 | dcode | yeah, I know |
| 17:14.15 | zash | i would be satisfied with a jabberclient with sms-fallback |
| 17:14.21 | dcode | I just wanted to bounce that off to see if I was on another planet |
| 17:14.57 | summatusmentis | zash: I generally agree, and once the ringtone stuff gets implemented(dependent on location, etc.) it could feasible be tied in w/ that |
| 17:15.05 | dcode | zash, I agree, that would be simpler, but I've really wanted the whole presence thing for a while...I think this is an enabling step to do much cooler stuff |
| 17:15.22 | Sup3rkiddo | for example i could set locations where i want the phone to be in silent mode |
| 17:15.44 | Sup3rkiddo | enter my girl's house set the damn thing to silent mode automatically |
| 17:15.49 | dcode | lol |
| 17:16.12 | dcode | k...I'll write up this proposal right now |
| 17:16.55 | dcode | I have another question though, that I asked last night, but I'm gonna ask again b/c I'm still confused....is OpenMoko headed for a standard GTK+ or EFL UI? |
| 17:17.05 | dcode | one of the suggested projects is for standard EFL widgets |
| 17:17.14 | dcode | but everything else seems to currently be in GTK+ |
| 17:19.51 | summatusmentis | people here seem to like EFL, so I don't know if there's a standard really |
| 17:20.02 | summatusmentis | but most of the stuff is based on gpe, and thus gtk |
| 17:20.55 | dcode | i c....that's what I was getting from everything that I've read, but when I asked last night, everyone was saying GTK+... |
| 17:20.56 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, did you receive any comments on your proposal |
| 17:21.05 | summatusmentis | nope |
| 17:21.17 | Sup3rkiddo | me neither.. |
| 17:21.19 | summatusmentis | mickey_away is always busy :-D |
| 17:21.47 | Sup3rkiddo | maybe we should start pestering other mentors :D |
| 17:22.33 | summatusmentis | don't know who the other mentors are, maybe XorA|backtouk, and maybe abraxa_, but that's all I know |
| 17:22.57 | abraxa_ | Not me, I'm a student :) |
| 17:23.08 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, you applying as well? |
| 17:23.12 | abraxa_ | Yeah |
| 17:23.14 | dcode | ah |
| 17:23.26 | summatusmentis | oh, then I have no idea |
| 17:23.32 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, i guess we should pack up |
| 17:23.38 | summatusmentis | pack up? |
| 17:23.45 | Sup3rkiddo | oops..wrong window |
| 17:24.14 | dcode | :) |
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| 17:24.46 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, what are you applying fir? |
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| 17:28.42 | abraxa_ | Sup3rkiddo: Middleware fun :) |
| 17:28.57 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, let me guess...fs.o? |
| 17:29.08 | abraxa_ | Yeah but it has nothing to do with your stuff |
| 17:29.12 | abraxa_ | So no overlaps |
| 17:29.40 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, lol...i was getting my voodoo dolls ready :D |
| 17:31.32 | abraxa_ | lol |
| 17:31.50 | ScaredyCat | dcode: I think everything is gtk /because/ there are no efl widgets done |
| 17:32.01 | dcode | i c |
| 17:32.28 | ScaredyCat | although I don;t thin k anyone really knows what they want... |
| 17:32.41 | raster | efl has widgets |
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| 17:32.44 | raster | lots of them |
| 17:32.49 | ScaredyCat | hence the gtk, efl jiggery pokery |
| 17:32.49 | raster | hell you're spolt for choice |
| 17:33.04 | raster | spoilt :) |
| 17:33.04 | ScaredyCat | that's a gsoc goal |
| 17:33.15 | raster | i don't get the goal |
| 17:33.21 | raster | efl has 2 widget sets |
| 17:33.27 | ScaredyCat | I'm assuming it's more om targeted widgets |
| 17:33.28 | Sup3rkiddo | total efl would be awesome...i hope thats why raster is here =_ |
| 17:33.40 | Sup3rkiddo | s/=_/+) |
| 17:33.42 | ScaredyCat | naa he's just a programmer... |
| 17:33.48 | ScaredyCat | a slow one too... |
| 17:33.58 | ScaredyCat | I think he's a beginner.. |
| 17:34.00 | ScaredyCat | :P |
| 17:34.11 | Sup3rkiddo | yeah a n00b.. |
| 17:34.12 | Qwell | you'd think after rewriting E 17 times... |
| 17:34.13 | Qwell | ducks |
| 17:34.39 | dcode | lol |
| 17:34.42 | ScaredyCat | yeah, so many rewrites.. |
| 17:34.49 | ScaredyCat | I think the first time it was in VB |
| 17:34.57 | dcode | lmao |
| 17:34.57 | Qwell | raster: how much code was re-used between versions? |
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| 17:35.18 | dcode | wasn't the first one in pascal? it seemed like it was a while ago :-p |
| 17:35.31 | raster | ScaredyCat: :-P |
| 17:35.31 | Sup3rkiddo | Cobol |
| 17:35.31 | Qwell | quite an interesting way to go about it - it appears to work though |
| 17:35.54 | raster | Qwell: which versions? |
| 17:36.09 | Qwell | any where there was a rewrite |
| 17:36.21 | Qwell | (of E, that is) |
| 17:36.26 | raster | e got a rewrite 0.13->0.14 and 0.16->0.17 |
| 17:36.31 | Qwell | or is the whole "rewrite" thing blown out of proportion? |
| 17:36.33 | raster | tats it |
| 17:36.33 | raster | no code re-use |
| 17:36.47 | raster | its a stupid internet myth |
| 17:36.52 | Qwell | oh, see, I was under the impression that it was done like every time |
| 17:36.56 | Qwell | but you knew that |
| 17:37.03 | raster | people basically don't know the facts |
| 17:37.15 | raster | they love to have opinions on things they know nothing about |
| 17:37.25 | raster | as basically then they look like they know something |
| 17:37.29 | dcode | isn't that the basis of the Internet? |
| 17:37.34 | raster | and it makes them feel like they have a big penis or something. |
| 17:37.40 | Qwell | it's not so much an opinion |
| 17:37.45 | dcode | I mean....would it *exist* w/o that? it's kinda hard to image |
| 17:37.54 | raster | well its not a fact |
| 17:37.55 | dcode | but I guess it's easy if you try |
| 17:37.58 | raster | nor is it even close |
| 17:38.03 | dcode | s/image/imagine/ |
| 17:38.44 | ScaredyCat | yeah, he's just saying all that - we know the internet is always right |
| 17:40.40 | ScaredyCat | prods mickey_away with a giant foam hand |
| 17:41.51 | dcode | haha |
| 17:43.10 | abraxa_ | ScaredyCat: Tough chance, I bet he's with his wifey |
| 17:45.18 | ScaredyCat | he might want to borrow the hand... |
| 17:45.24 | abraxa_ | rofl |
| 17:45.47 | abraxa_ | I love how naughty you are for a kitten. |
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| 17:48.56 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 17:50.13 | abraxa_ | Sup3rkiddo: Do you two have any idea what to do about your projects? |
| 17:50.39 | jimiridge | http://hacked.free-bsd.org/funstuff/pics/891.html |
| 17:50.56 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, yeah somewhat...need someone to look at my proposal and offer comments |
| 17:51.16 | abraxa_ | Ahh good :) |
| 17:51.53 | Sup3rkiddo | CAN I HAS A MENTOR |
| 17:52.55 | summatusmentis | abraxa_: you two who? |
| 17:52.57 | abraxa_ | Hmm, none of the other guys is around so looks like you'll have to wait |
| 17:53.04 | abraxa_ | summatusmentis: Super and you ;) |
| 17:53.33 | summatusmentis | oh, well, we've both submitted, but at least my app is relatively meta and generic, because I don't know that much about implementation of my idea |
| 17:53.44 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, LIAR! |
| 17:53.47 | Sup3rkiddo | :P |
| 17:54.05 | summatusmentis | liar what? unless you haven't submitted, everything I said is true |
| 17:54.09 | abraxa_ | lol |
| 17:54.32 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, oh come on, dont get on me..:(..i was kidding |
| 17:54.33 | summatusmentis | oh shit, gotta run, meeting w/ csci prof |
| 17:54.39 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, bye |
| 17:54.42 | summatusmentis | lol, I know, no worres |
| 17:54.46 | summatusmentis | god I can't spell |
| 17:55.09 | abraxa_ | Sup3rkiddo: I just wanted to make sure you two don't apply for some kind of joint project cause that wouldn't end well for either one of you =\ |
| 17:55.42 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, actually thats whats scaring us becuase both of us had applied for the same exact project =/ |
| 17:56.03 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, GSoC is evil |
| 17:56.11 | abraxa_ | lol, yes |
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| 17:57.19 | abraxa_ | If you want to help the case, submit more applications and note "I can do this project but I'd rather work on my proposal for XYZ instead" in them - the more applications for Openmoko, the more slots we get |
| 17:57.27 | abraxa_ | So that's what I'm doing :) |
| 17:57.41 | abraxa_ | wants more than just 2 or 3 slots but it's looking dim atm |
| 17:57.59 | Sup3rkiddo | 2 or 3?...i was looking at maybe 4-5 |
| 17:58.25 | abraxa_ | Last number I heard was that we had 15 applications for Openmoko so far |
| 17:58.36 | Sup3rkiddo | abraxa_, yeah on the lists... |
| 17:58.36 | abraxa_ | Last year we had ~40 and only got 3 slots |
| 17:58.43 | Sup3rkiddo | ooo |
| 17:58.51 | abraxa_ | So... yeah.... |
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| 17:59.15 | davi | [OT]: GNUherds.org is not just another Job Site. As The GNU Project tries to develop a 100% Free Software Operating System for its users, GNU Herds tries to carry the same freedom philosophy on the paid and unpaid Free Software authors. |
| 17:59.38 | abraxa_ | heh heh |
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| 18:01.28 | abraxa_ | Sup3rkiddo: See http://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-announce/web/notes-on-student-allocations |
| 18:02.05 | wurp2 | wow, my first GNU spam |
| 18:02.37 | SpeedEvil | wishes he could apply for GSoC |
| 18:03.16 | davi | wurp2, there is always a first time. Sorry :| |
| 18:04.07 | davi | I hope do more of the same on others channels so I kill the project |
| 18:05.42 | zedstar | is there an age limit for GSoC? |
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| 18:05.58 | Sup3rkiddo | zedstar, nope |
| 18:06.00 | Sup3rkiddo | afaik |
| 18:06.34 | SpeedEvil | I thought there was. |
| 18:06.42 | Sup3rkiddo | 120 |
| 18:07.42 | zedstar | are there any restrictions to who can apply? |
| 18:08.50 | SpeedEvil | Oh - my bad. I misread it last time. |
| 18:08.50 | Sup3rkiddo | zedstar, you just need to be a student |
| 18:08.52 | SpeedEvil | 'Yes. You must be 18 years of age or older by April 14, 2008 to be eligible to participate in Google Summer of Code in 2008.' |
| 18:09.25 | zedstar | ah ok 18 to n years old as long as student |
| 18:09.57 | SpeedEvil | full time or part time |
| 18:10.04 | SpeedEvil | and not in NK, cuba, burma, ... |
| 18:11.00 | zedstar | i guess the educational institute needs to be accredited in some way |
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| 18:12.48 | abraxa_ | DPThought: ping |
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| 18:15.30 | zedstar | that rules out religious cults applying then |
| 18:15.40 | Sup3rkiddo | heh |
| 18:16.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1310 has been created by kevin(AT)foreverdean.info |
| 18:16.02 | cdbot2 | * * GTA01 must have battery removed if X fails to start |
| 18:16.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1310 |
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| 18:16.47 | wurp2 | kdean06: Is your foreverdean.info domain using gmail to send mail? |
| 18:16.53 | wurp2 | I see dupes from you on the mailing lists |
| 18:16.59 | kdean06 | Really? |
| 18:17.07 | kdean06 | Yes, it does use Gmail. |
| 18:17.16 | kdean06 | I can stop. :P |
| 18:17.18 | kdean06 | he he |
| 18:17.47 | kdean06 | I need a real reason to get off of that, and I'll have an upgraded VPS "soon". |
| 18:18.00 | wurp2 | well, I use gmail too |
| 18:18.08 | wurp2 | So far I haven't seen dupes of my messages, though, I don't think |
| 18:18.41 | kdean06 | wurp2, Do you see it frequently or in some specific cases? |
| 18:19.17 | wurp2 | I just saw it once for you |
| 18:19.28 | kdean06 | I may have been drunk. :P |
| 18:19.29 | wurp2 | s/saw/noticed/ |
| 18:19.30 | kdean06 | Though... |
| 18:19.38 | wurp2 | Just now |
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| 18:20.12 | kdean06 | I think reply all adds your name AND the list, so you get both. Which is why you'd only see it once... I would bet it was on the fast charge thread. :) |
| 18:20.20 | wurp2 | "Re: Price of the Freerunner spare parts (Kevin Dean)" |
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| 18:20.40 | wurp2 | But I see it multiple times in the one community digest email |
| 18:20.56 | kdean06 | Oh. |
| 18:21.14 | kdean06 | Duly noted. Gmail sucks anyway. :P |
| 18:21.14 | wurp2 | Weird. The To: is just joerg's address |
| 18:21.46 | wurp2 | I've really liked it. This #$&! issue of it spamming the mailing list is my only complaint |
| 18:22.12 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03werner * r4267 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (glamo-cmdqueue-bandaid.patch series): Andy's debug-glamo-fb-cmdqueue-wait-timeout.patch |
| 18:23.20 | kdean06 | I've had a ton of issues. |
| 18:23.31 | kdean06 | My only actual praise for it is the spam filter. |
| 18:23.40 | wurp2 | kdean06: What kind of issues? |
| 18:23.58 | kdean06 | The biggest one is a SERIOUS delay in message sending. |
| 18:24.04 | wurp2 | No praise for threaded conversations & excellent search? |
| 18:24.28 | kdean06 | Sometime people send me things and I don't get them for hours, and it says "4 minutes ago" though the headers say otherwise. |
| 18:24.32 | wurp2 | It's possible that I have that issue, but I've never noticed it |
| 18:24.50 | wurp2 | Oh, delay in when you receive it |
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| 18:25.05 | wurp2 | I had issues with that early on, but they are long since gone for me |
| 18:25.06 | kdean06 | The threaded conversations are good in a two-party conversation, but it fails once it splits beyond that... |
| 18:25.19 | wurp2 | True, one really wants a tree |
| 18:25.23 | kdean06 | I've had messages with different titles added in unrelated coversations and vise versa. |
| 18:25.39 | wurp2 | But, I still far prefer the threaded approach for multiparty conversations to the conventional approach |
| 18:25.53 | kdean06 | I actually think the "tags" are useless and that filters and folders would rock. |
| 18:26.10 | wurp2 | Isn't that a reply thread id problem, ppl replying & changing the subject? |
| 18:26.29 | wurp2 | It has filters, and you can make the filter not put the incoming email in the inbox... |
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| 18:26.54 | kdean06 | Gmail has folders? :P |
| 18:26.54 | wurp2 | i.e. you can make tags work just like folders, except a single email can be in multiple ones |
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| 18:27.19 | wurp2 | You can create a filter to apply a tag & not put the email in the inbox |
| 18:27.23 | wurp2 | So basically, yes |
| 18:27.27 | Sup3rkiddo | night all |
| 18:27.36 | wurp2 | 'afternoon |
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| 18:37.45 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03rob * r4268 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-wifi/ (16 files in 3 dirs): |
| 18:37.45 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 2008-03-28 Rob Bradford <rob@openedhand.com> |
| 18:37.45 | CIA-17 | openmoko: * Initial commit. |
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| 19:09.40 | kdean06 | I'm getting dupes from steve like... every post. :P |
| 19:13.19 | ScaredyCat | gmail |
| 19:13.21 | ScaredyCat | shite |
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| 19:15.57 | kdean06 | Okay, so I'm now curious about exactly what charging modes the GTA01 actually has. :P |
| 19:16.40 | mickeyl | slow |
| 19:16.41 | mickeyl | fast |
| 19:16.44 | mickeyl | that's it |
| 19:16.50 | SpeedEvil | precharge |
| 19:16.53 | SpeedEvil | also |
| 19:17.01 | mickeyl | where's the difference? |
| 19:17.04 | mickeyl | 100mA or 500mA |
| 19:17.09 | SpeedEvil | 40mA |
| 19:17.12 | mickeyl | 40 ? |
| 19:17.17 | kdean06 | I've seen 100 mA, 500mA, 850mA and 1000 A tossed around... I know that may include GTA02 but I'm confuzzled. :P |
| 19:17.27 | mickeyl | kdean06: everything >500 is gta02 |
| 19:17.29 | SpeedEvil | when the battery is very flat |
| 19:17.36 | mickeyl | interesting |
| 19:17.48 | kdean06 | So 100 mA is "Slow charge" and 500 is fast? |
| 19:17.50 | mickeyl | never observed that |
| 19:17.54 | mickeyl | kdean06: ya |
| 19:18.08 | kdean06 | Okay. So three states... |
| 19:18.37 | SpeedEvil | And not charging - charged |
| 19:18.59 | kdean06 | SpeedEvil, Is "Charged" actually a state? |
| 19:19.17 | SpeedEvil | No - I was meaning in practice |
| 19:19.22 | abraxa_ | kdean06: Fast may also be 1000mA according to this: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=956 |
| 19:19.25 | SpeedEvil | eventually it stops charging |
| 19:19.36 | kdean06 | But would the Neo know that? |
| 19:19.56 | mickeyl | ya |
| 19:20.06 | dcode | the intention is to keep dbus for IPC, right? |
| 19:20.19 | mickeyl | dcode: absolutely |
| 19:20.24 | mickeyl | s/keep/introduce/ |
| 19:20.25 | kdean06 | The reason I ask is because the USB charging discussion now makes me wonder why the battery monitor applet has "not charging" and "fast charge" but no "slow charge" or "charged" states. |
| 19:20.25 | mickeyl | ;) |
| 19:20.41 | mickeyl | kdean06: we never got around implementing that |
| 19:20.49 | mickeyl | detecting full charge is tricky |
| 19:20.57 | mickeyl | on gta01 |
| 19:21.18 | dcode | :) thanks, mickeyl. I just get a little confused between all the docs explaining the older GTK stuff, proposals w/ EFL stuff...what exists, what's a dream, etc |
| 19:21.30 | mickeyl | dcode: i can feel your pain |
| 19:21.31 | mwester | is the plan to implement a "no information available" state for the various applet icons? |
| 19:21.31 | SpeedEvil | 'voltage has been over 4170mV or so for an hour is probably sane. |
| 19:21.47 | ScaredyCat | ahhaaa... mickeyl |
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| 19:21.53 | mickeyl | until now OM has been in experimentation mode and will continue to do so for some more months. we slowly start building our platform now |
| 19:22.12 | mickeyl | mwester: probably |
| 19:22.32 | mickeyl | the icons will just show what dbus signalizes to them |
| 19:22.39 | mickeyl | we will put all the logic into the dbus daemons |
| 19:22.42 | kdean06 | That's fine. :) I wasn't criticising the lack, more curious to the reasoning. |
| 19:22.56 | dcode | so if I were to work on some middleware w/ some UI components, would it be safe to use the OpenMoko framework diagram in the wiki as a starting point, if I substitute EFL into places where GTK resides? |
| 19:22.58 | wurp2 | there's also some 'bounce' in detecting fast charge mode |
| 19:22.58 | mickeyl | not much reasoning except "we want to see results... fast" |
| 19:23.40 | mickeyl | dcode: give me the weekend and I'll do a new platform page in the wiki with uptodate info and focused around middleware |
| 19:23.41 | wurp2 | My app sees slow charge mode sometimes when you connect to a fast charger. I updated it to check three times, with (iirc) a 100 ms delay between, and keep checking until it gets the same answer three times |
| 19:23.51 | wurp2 | but I still get slow charge detected on a fast charger sometimes |
| 19:23.57 | dcode | mickeyl, I want to submit a SoC proposal :D |
| 19:24.10 | mickeyl | dcode: heh, go figure it out then :) |
| 19:24.14 | dcode | lol |
| 19:24.26 | mickeyl | wurp2: ya, i've seen that some times gta01 loses usb enumeration and stops charging |
| 19:24.34 | mickeyl | must be a kernel bug |
| 19:24.53 | kdean06 | That must be why I've seen it die while plugged in overnight. :) |
| 19:25.14 | dcode | I've heard that, for instance, telepathy is not very well liked due to its complexity....is there an ideal replacement? |
| 19:25.28 | dcode | by ideal, I mean preferred over telepathy |
| 19:25.37 | mickeyl | well |
| 19:25.39 | mickeyl | telepathy is great |
| 19:25.45 | mickeyl | we just need to start smaller |
| 19:26.04 | mickeyl | i still can see a way for telepathy in the platform eventually |
| 19:26.25 | dcode | right, I know....there needs to be more hardware support...I understand that.... |
| 19:27.35 | dcode | what I'd like to do, which I discussed previously when you were away, is to rewrite/extend the contacts application to more presence aware...while I know the other pieces aren't there yet, I think there is still a valid step which will enable nice integration later |
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| 19:28.26 | dcode | for instance, changing your status to Away or Do Not Disturb, will update your ringtone to vibe/silent, set your status on applicable frameworks...this can be triggered by the GPS lib as well |
| 19:28.55 | mickeyl | sounds good. be prepared that there will be a notion of "context" sooner or later |
| 19:28.59 | dcode | also, when browsing your contacts, you can see their presence status if they have an associated IM entry |
| 19:29.15 | dcode | can you elaborate on "context" |
| 19:30.01 | mickeyl | we will introduce a context entity |
| 19:30.17 | mickeyl | a context is gathered out of multiple sources |
| 19:30.20 | mickeyl | like |
| 19:30.22 | mickeyl | location |
| 19:30.28 | mickeyl | usecase |
| 19:30.37 | mickeyl | preference |
| 19:30.47 | mickeyl | this is a superset of what a profile does |
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| 19:31.02 | dcode | okay....I think I understand....I discussed it with others earlier....just didn't know the terminology |
| 19:31.04 | mickeyl | the middleware tries to detect context changes |
| 19:31.11 | mickeyl | and informs the rest of the system |
| 19:31.15 | mickeyl | which then can act |
| 19:31.22 | mickeyl | like... supressing calls |
| 19:31.27 | dcode | right, and I think the whole presence system should be closely associated |
| 19:31.34 | mickeyl | or triggering presence info |
| 19:31.35 | mickeyl | yep |
| 19:31.37 | dcode | or part of |
| 19:31.59 | dcode | that's really I guess very related to what I was visualising.... |
| 19:32.38 | dcode | alright, I will right this proposal and submit it today, hopefully |
| 19:32.48 | mickeyl | cool |
| 19:33.06 | dcode | thanks for the infos. |
| 19:33.13 | dcode | you reassured me that it might be worthwhile |
| 19:34.04 | mickeyl | :) |
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| 20:46.50 | lunartear | anyone know if the GTA02 will work on a cdma network such as alltel? |
| 20:47.00 | wurp2 | It will not |
| 20:47.04 | lunartear | damn |
| 20:47.05 | wurp2 | GSM only |
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| 20:51.04 | wurp2 | Awesome |
| 20:51.22 | lunartear | why did they choose to go with GSM rather than CDMA? |
| 20:51.27 | wurp2 | My matchbox keyboard is ignoring shift & caps lock for all keys on the right side of the kbd |
| 20:51.43 | wurp2 | cdma is closed; gsm is an open standard |
| 20:51.47 | lunartear | oh |
| 20:51.47 | raster | lunartear: because gsm is global. cdma is not. |
| 20:52.11 | raster | cdma is being shut down in many coutnries that used to use it and is simply not available in many others |
| 20:52.15 | lunartear | gsm seems slow |
| 20:52.32 | raster | with a gsm phone u can pretty much get a phone signal and make/recieve calls in every country... except japan. |
| 20:53.08 | dcode | lunartear, are you referring to data communication? |
| 20:53.14 | lunartear | dcode yeah |
| 20:54.39 | lunartear | arent transfer speeds significantly less on gsm than cdma? |
| 20:54.54 | dcode | lunartear, well GSM is the same generation as cdma.....for high speed 3G access, you need something along the lines of UMTS |
| 20:55.19 | dcode | which some GSM and some CDMA networks are providing in addition to their current infrastructure |
| 20:55.24 | kdean06 | Which is a totally different story when you're using a device with 2.5G anyway. :P |
| 20:55.49 | dcode | I'm not a telephony expert, btw, I'm just spouting off what I've read and how I understand the networks to operate |
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| 20:57.29 | dcode | really, I suppose it all comes down to the factor that raster indicated....GSM is everywhere |
| 20:57.34 | lunartear | dcode, you probably know more than I do... I'm also basing on what i read |
| 20:57.59 | dcode | most of my knowledge in this arena comes from the collective knowledge at Wikipedia :D |
| 20:58.16 | raster | all the fast data would be pointless if u cant even make a call |
| 20:58.30 | lunartear | heh.. one does need to take wikipedia with a grain of salt though since its not 100% factual |
| 20:58.30 | raster | and if u ant to have users across the world make calls - gsm is it. |
| 20:58.41 | raster | openmoko is already serving a very very very niche market |
| 20:58.57 | raster | by makign it cdma u cut a tiny market into an even tinier size (like 1/10th) |
| 20:59.00 | lunartear | raster, point well made... I was just curious |
| 20:59.13 | raster | it wouldnt be viable as a phone then at all |
| 20:59.36 | raster | there are high speed data connection methods with gsm |
| 20:59.42 | raster | gprs was the first |
| 20:59.45 | raster | them umts |
| 20:59.49 | raster | then hsdpa |
| 20:59.53 | raster | now huspa as well |
| 20:59.57 | lunartear | what does GTA02 support there? |
| 21:00.08 | raster | huspa i think is the in the multiple mbit rage or so |
| 21:00.12 | raster | like 1.5-3 |
| 21:00.20 | raster | gta02 is up to gprs |
| 21:00.30 | raster | thats about 40kbit last i checked |
| 21:00.47 | raster | i skippd edge which is between gprs and umts :) |
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| 21:01.54 | lunartear | hmm |
| 21:03.13 | lunartear | im trying to figure out which carrier around here I should use |
| 21:03.32 | raster | one that supports gsm |
| 21:03.33 | raster | :) |
| 21:03.43 | Qwell | where is here? |
| 21:06.17 | dcode | apparently it is nowhere |
| 21:06.37 | dcode | maybe the moon? |
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| 21:11.12 | lunartear | here is Kansas, U.S. |
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| 21:11.33 | wurp2 | AT&T? |
| 21:11.40 | wurp2 | They suck, but they're everywhere |
| 21:11.41 | kdean06 | lunartear, T-Mobile, AT&T, many of the smaller carriers. |
| 21:11.51 | lunartear | there's a local carrier that supports gsm gprs but they are a smaller network |
| 21:12.03 | kdean06 | Sprint and Verizon are no-nos (for now... Verizon will be GSM by 2010) |
| 21:12.22 | kdean06 | lunartear, Do they have a roaming agreement with a bigger one? |
| 21:12.42 | lunartear | kdean06: most likely.. I havent looked that deep |
| 21:12.43 | kdean06 | For instance, a lot of small carriers work with the big ones so their customers still have service out of the area. |
| 21:13.12 | lunartear | they are definately cheaper for the minutes |
| 21:13.17 | kdean06 | In the US today, it's SUICIDE not to do that for free unless there's a lockout ala Kentucky or West Virginia. |
| 21:14.29 | lunartear | http://www.westlinkcom.com/ |
| 21:16.30 | kdean06 | No reason that wouldn't work for you assuming they offer you coverage where you go. |
| 21:16.48 | kdean06 | lunartear, Their "pay as you go" services would also work just fine, if you wanted to test it out. |
| 21:17.05 | lunartear | yeah |
| 21:17.46 | dcode | lunartear, not sure what side of KS you're on, but I know on the KC side, T-Mobile has excellent data coverage |
| 21:18.33 | dcode | I've used it rather extensively from just south of KC (Harrisonville) up past Ft Leavenworth and St. Joseph |
| 21:18.40 | lunartear | im smack dab in the middle an hour northwest of Wichita |
| 21:18.58 | dcode | also along the I-70 corridor has good coverage until you get to CO |
| 21:19.22 | lunartear | i was originally asking about alltel because their rural coverage is supreme to the rest |
| 21:19.51 | dcode | I've heard good things about alltel and roamed on their network....but never used them directly |
| 21:20.02 | kdean06 | I've been with T-Mobile since I lived in BFE Kentucky... |
| 21:20.11 | dcode | Data works well in Salina and Hays |
| 21:20.34 | dcode | I've been with T-Mobile since they were VoiceStream |
| 21:20.52 | dcode | I think they bought a number of Alltel towers in Missouri at the time |
| 21:20.56 | lunartear | there's also us cellular here that used to be cellularone |
| 21:21.27 | wurp2 | Choose the state in the middle of nowhere |
| 21:21.30 | dcode | meh...not a big fan....but that's due to my interactions with them with corporate accounts |
| 21:21.37 | wurp2 | Choose the town in the middle of nowhere in that state |
| 21:21.42 | wurp2 | I'm an hour away from that :-) |
| 21:21.46 | dcode | wurp2, lol |
| 21:21.54 | lunartear | wurp2 lol |
| 21:21.56 | wurp2 | That sounds like where I grew up ;-) |
| 21:22.21 | dcode | I go to school in Rolla, MO....where the town slogan used to be "The Middle of Everywhere" |
| 21:22.41 | dcode | incidentally, that is equivalent to saying it's "The middle of nowhere" |
| 21:22.42 | wurp2 | Cool, I lived in MO and KS as a kid |
| 21:22.51 | dcode | all places are equidistant from us |
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| 21:23.27 | dcode | St. Louis? 120 Miles.....Springfield? 120 miles....Columbia? 120 miles? |
| 21:23.28 | dcode | :-( |
| 21:24.39 | dcode | haha....just checked....Arkansas? 120 miles |
| 21:24.43 | mwester | just wants to know what practical joker decided that "Kansas City" was a good name for a city on the Missouri side of the state line. |
| 21:25.30 | wurp2 | Well, isn't it just an extension of KC, KS? |
| 21:25.46 | dcode | wurp2, no...KC, MO is bigger than KC, KS |
| 21:25.57 | wurp2 | But I thought they were contiguous |
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| 21:26.05 | lunartear | dcode, population wise yes.. but im not sure which was established first |
| 21:26.11 | dcode | I think what happened, is that it started on the border....everyone decided that KS was too boring of a state to claim, so they hopped over to the MO side |
| 21:26.25 | lunartear | lol |
| 21:26.36 | mwester | hehe |
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| 21:26.39 | lunartear | did the state line change at any point? |
| 21:27.00 | lunartear | from somewhere in MO to the river |
| 21:27.11 | mwester | I don't about that one, but haven't there been arguments about the state line in places where the Mississippi has shifted course? |
| 21:27.25 | lunartear | hell i dunno |
| 21:27.28 | wurp2 | Those bastards all up in ur land, stealing ur cityc |
| 21:27.39 | dcode | yeah....there are parts of IL on the missouri side of the mississippi and there are parts of MO on the IL side |
| 21:27.44 | lunartear | thats 1800's shit I slept in history class |
| 21:28.37 | dcode | there is an island in the middle of the river that has a couple hundred acres of IL land and a couple hundred of MO land....it's popular for hunting, so you have to be careful on which side of the line you are on |
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| 21:28.49 | kdean06 | I've always wondered when the "New" will be dropped. |
| 21:28.50 | dcode | b/c the conservation agents from both states hang out waiting for you |
| 21:28.55 | dcode | lol |
| 21:29.26 | dcode | kdean06, I think it stays "New" until they remove the price tag, or some one comes out with an updated version |
| 21:29.32 | dcode | then they can call it "York 3.0" |
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| 21:30.09 | kdean06 | Oh man... |
| 21:32.49 | thseiler | I would like to build a fullscreen hw/accelerated scroll widget thingie. The video hardware on GTA01 has some viewport-offset registers. But how to map that to the X11 protocol ??? |
| 21:33.34 | thseiler | Does anybody know if it is possible to use X11's virtual screen thing for these kind of ideas ? |
| 21:39.48 | wurp2 | thseiler: No one here, apparently |
| 21:40.02 | thseiler | wurp2: seems so, thanks anyway... |
| 21:40.56 | raster | thseiler: basically u can't |
| 21:41.12 | raster | its kind of a lost cause if u have a dumb fb |
| 21:42.01 | thseiler | raster: isn't it a problem of abstraction ? the dump fb does not reflect the possibilities of the hw. |
| 21:42.25 | raster | no - it doesnt |
| 21:42.31 | raster | as its pretty much not worth the effort |
| 21:43.00 | raster | with enough code, anything can be done |
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| 21:43.05 | raster | but is it worth it... ? |
| 21:43.06 | raster | :) |
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| 21:45.40 | thseiler | raster: i see your point, thanks for answering... |
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| 21:46.28 | raster | the gta01 is not produced anymore |
| 21:46.32 | raster | it was a limited run |
| 21:46.51 | raster | and frankly any hw when it gets gfx accel gets much more than viewport shifting |
| 21:46.57 | raster | and so u use that in a more gneric way |
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| 21:47.15 | raster | even in this day and age simple bliting for scrolling is almost passe |
| 21:47.25 | raster | as u'd actually redraw as u composite the buffer for a new position |
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| 21:49.46 | thseiler | raster: but is there a toolkit that actually can take advandate of this on GTA02 ? |
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| 21:50.03 | raster | the blitting? |
| 21:50.08 | raster | or a complete recomposite? |
| 21:50.22 | thseiler | thseiler: compositing |
| 21:50.47 | thseiler | raster: you would need opengl first |
| 21:51.18 | baze | will illume be the default window manager for the freerunner now? |
| 21:51.31 | baze | it looks pretty promising |
| 21:52.24 | raster | thseiler: that depends how much u composite thjings together - do u need alpha |
| 21:52.31 | raster | right now the drivers dont support what the glamo can do |
| 21:52.40 | raster | and the glamo can only do a limited set of these things |
| 21:52.57 | raster | thseiler: and u dont need opengl - why does everyone think u need opengl for this stuff? |
| 21:53.05 | raster | baze: illume isn't a wm |
| 21:53.08 | raster | :) |
| 21:53.30 | baze | oh, then i misunderstood sth |
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| 21:53.43 | baze | the whole new gui, or what? |
| 21:54.00 | abraxa_ | raster: You mean it's a toy to make hot chicks hit on the user, right? |
| 21:54.02 | abraxa_ | ;) |
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| 21:58.11 | thseiler | raster: cool, i always believed that XComposite was guild on top of openGL, but I now see that they are independent interfaces. I still have to learn a lot... |
| 21:59.09 | raster | baze: illume is a module for enlightenment (e17) that modifies its look, feel and behavior |
| 21:59.21 | raster | abraxa_: HAHAHAHAH |
| 21:59.57 | raster | thseiler: utterly incorrect. xcompoite doesnyt composite anything. it just forces rendering to go to pixmaps for a window and givews access to those pixmaps |
| 22:02.50 | thseiler | raster: ok, where is the compositing done, then ? |
| 22:03.41 | raster | that depends |
| 22:03.45 | thseiler | raster: in XRender ? |
| 22:03.48 | raster | xrender is one api to do it |
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| 22:03.56 | raster | u can grab pixel data form x and do it in software |
| 22:04.05 | raster | u can also grab pixmaps and convert to textures and use opengl to do the compositing |
| 22:04.18 | raster | it's "up to you" (or the programmer writing a compositor) |
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| 22:10.37 | thseiler | raster: What i'm basically after is a full screen viewport, that shows a canvas bigger than the screen, that i can scroll without blitting. |
| 22:11.16 | thseiler | raster: that is, without copying memory around |
| 22:11.27 | raster | i know :) |
| 22:11.47 | raster | u can just bypass x and work on the fb driver level |
| 22:11.48 | raster | ... |
| 22:11.49 | raster | if u want |
| 22:14.14 | anrp | you' |
| 22:14.16 | anrp | d have to, i think |
| 22:14.31 | anrp | the hardware can do a viewport but i'm pretty sure it isn't exposed |
| 22:14.34 | raster | x itself doesnt provide good infra for this |
| 22:14.39 | raster | it can |
| 22:14.41 | raster | in theory |
| 22:14.48 | raster | but in reality... |
| 22:14.53 | raster | "it's not worth it" |
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| 22:19.26 | thseiler | raster: anrp: thanks a lot for all the advice. I think i will have to blit then... |
| 22:20.36 | raster | :) |
| 22:20.49 | raster | the blit method will scale beyond simple hw |
| 22:20.51 | raster | well into the future |
| 22:20.58 | raster | the composite method will too |
| 22:21.02 | raster | and give u much more freedom |
| 22:21.19 | raster | (i.e - u redraw the whole screen but the hw is fast enough to do it) |
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| 22:26.24 | rtm | Does anyone know of any profiling tools that can be used on the neo1973 which will one to determine which portions of a C program are burning up the most CPU time? |
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| 22:29.38 | thseiler | rtm: have you tried to gprof you app on x86 already ? |
| 22:31.20 | rtm | No, that I have not tried. Since there is a lot of floating point calculations in my code, I worry that the execution times on a machine with FP hardware might not closely match that of the neo, which must do all FP in software. |
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| 22:58.55 | thseiler | rtm: hm, if i run make build-package-binutils in my environment, i get binutils.ipk that contains a /usr/bin/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gprof that has been compiled for arm. My battery is empty at the moment, so i can't test if it really works. |
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| 23:00.29 | rtm | thseiler: Thanks for looking into that! I'll give that a try. |
| 23:02.48 | jadams | hey |
| 23:03.05 | jadams | does anyone have plans for 'an icon-launcher on the home screen' ? |
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| 23:37.18 | Ghiottone | hello! |
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