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| 00:21.08 | cb22 | ok, i've tweaked things abit, and http://cb22.za.net/videos/riding.avi is 1699kb. its 4:04, so it needs 6.8kb/sec to be streamed |
| 00:24.12 | SpeedEvil | retries. |
| 00:24.21 | cb22 | is the calypso 4+1 or 3+2? |
| 00:24.25 | SpeedEvil | is also trying to get gsm codec working with mplayer. |
| 00:24.39 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: higher mp3 quality too, 16kb |
| 00:24.57 | SpeedEvil | I vaguely remember streaming topping out at 5.6K |
| 00:25.52 | cb22 | 2 channel vorbis @ 8kbit was better then 1 channel mp3 @ 8kbit |
| 00:26.18 | cb22 | but the ffmpeg / libavcodec encoder doesnt let you do mono |
| 00:27.06 | mjr | it's multislot class 12, can use 4 slots either way, 5 total, don't know if uplink slots are limited due to handsetness |
| 00:27.51 | SpeedEvil | tries again. |
| 00:28.04 | SpeedEvil | sound sounds much better |
| 00:29.26 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: sorry, yeah. http://cda.morris.umn.edu, it's linked to there |
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| 00:32.25 | mickeyl | summatusmentis: fair enough. feel free to submit this |
| 00:32.38 | mickeyl | additionally someone should submit a project for the device part of it (non-telephony) |
| 00:33.25 | SpeedEvil | cb2@: real 4m 7.57s |
| 00:33.25 | SpeedEvil | user 2m 9.99s |
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| 00:33.31 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: unless I didn't link it correctly, that should be the device part |
| 00:33.37 | mickeyl | oh |
| 00:33.44 | mickeyl | http://cda.morris.umn.edu/~theba004/Summer-of-Code-2008-Application_OpenMoko.pdf ? |
| 00:33.53 | mickeyl | contained lots of references to gsmd2 for me |
| 00:33.53 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: bumping up the mp3 bitrate from 8 to 16 killed it so much? |
| 00:34.33 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: yes, then I didn't upload the most recent version, let me fix that, sorry to waste your time |
| 00:34.44 | cb22 | mjr: class 12? thats rather rare isnt it? |
| 00:34.46 | morricone | cb22, how did you got oggenc to 8kbit? i only got 45 as lowest |
| 00:35.35 | cb22 | morricone: mencoder -oac lavc -lavcopts acodec=vorbis:abitrate=8 |
| 00:36.08 | cb22 | or - ffmpeg -acodec libvorbis -ab 8 |
| 00:36.25 | SpeedEvil | cb22: no - that's the uncut video it seems |
| 00:36.45 | cb22 | oh yes, duh. |
| 00:36.45 | SpeedEvil | cbrake_away: note the user time 1/2 of the real |
| 00:36.49 | cb22 | << slow mode |
| 00:37.04 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: my apologies, filenames are confusing :) most recent version linked should be for odeviced |
| 00:37.32 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 00:37.43 | SpeedEvil | has lost his 4G microSD. |
| 00:37.50 | cb22 | :( |
| 00:38.02 | SpeedEvil | I put it down ready to put into my neo... |
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| 00:39.14 | mwester | Now that's an interesting comparison factor that's largely ignored... when travelling, especially when in motion (bus, train, plane), the micro is very hard to handle, easy to drop, and difficult to locate once dropped... |
| 00:39.33 | mwester | SpeedEvil: But you're not on a bus, train, or plane? |
| 00:39.37 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 00:39.45 | SpeedEvil | I'm simply very, very untidy. |
| 00:39.57 | SpeedEvil | I have currently lost my VCR. |
| 00:40.03 | mwester | :-O |
| 00:40.07 | summatusmentis | but you know generally where it is right? |
| 00:40.19 | SpeedEvil | No. (not the VCR) |
| 00:40.39 | SpeedEvil | I was tidying up majorly - as builders were coming. |
| 00:40.45 | SpeedEvil | And I'm unsure where I put it. |
| 00:40.55 | summatusmentis | well that's werid |
| 00:40.58 | summatusmentis | weird* |
| 00:41.08 | summatusmentis | I cannont, for the life of me, get things working tonight! |
| 00:41.24 | summatusmentis | I can't type, I can't figure out filenames, I'm just a mess |
| 00:46.28 | mickeyl | summatusmentis: now that looks better! |
| 00:46.38 | mickeyl | i'd say give it a go and lets see what the mentors comment |
| 00:47.20 | summatusmentis | I want to make sure it's a good enough application. You think content-wise it's good enough? |
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| 00:52.01 | cb22 | yay! my p990 in gprs only mode can download the 1 minute video in less then a minute |
| 00:52.19 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: I'm heading out, be back in an hour |
| 00:52.44 | mickeyl | summatusmentis: i think it's good enough. we can refine this later, just get it in. |
| 00:52.49 | mickeyl | going to sleep a bit |
| 00:52.51 | mickeyl | g'night |
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| 01:21.25 | BioGeek | Hey I'm trying to setup the Qemu emulation environment on Ubunty 7.10. After I run 'make qemu' I get an "Kernel is... not found make: *** [download-images] Error 255" message. |
| 01:21.36 | BioGeek | see: http://pastebin.com/m1902c793 |
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| 01:25.27 | jadams | josch: umm, the debian-on-neo looks awesome |
| 01:25.30 | jadams | does it run well? |
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| 01:26.24 | jadams | also, ScaredyCat: love the theme on your phone |
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| 03:04.54 | dcode_ | I was looking into the SoC ideas, and I'm pretty interested in porting to EZX |
| 03:05.05 | dcode_ | how much work does this entail? |
| 03:05.25 | dcode_ | I have access to a MING and a ROKR E6 |
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| 03:10.17 | SpeedEvil | do you have kernel drivers for all the peripherals on the phone? |
| 03:11.18 | dcode_ | currently, I've only messed with the firmware images from communities like motofans, etc |
| 03:11.21 | dcode_ | so ....no |
| 03:11.45 | SpeedEvil | Are those images running linux? |
| 03:11.47 | dcode_ | but I've heard of some people that have gotten some openembedded running on their phones |
| 03:11.50 | dcode_ | yes |
| 03:11.55 | dcode_ | Montavista linux |
| 03:12.03 | SpeedEvil | what size display? |
| 03:12.13 | dcode_ | the issue, which I've been tracking rather closely...is that Motorola has not released the source for their kernel |
| 03:13.00 | SpeedEvil | you don't actually need kernel source |
| 03:13.13 | dcode_ | MING is 240x320 |
| 03:13.17 | SpeedEvil | As long as everything works |
| 03:13.27 | dcode_ | ROKR is same |
| 03:13.30 | SpeedEvil | you can use an existing kernel. |
| 03:13.50 | dcode_ | yes...the MING and the E6 both have fully functional Linux installed |
| 03:14.26 | dcode_ | yeah...I figured I could wipe out much of the moto interface and install openmoko libs, etc |
| 03:14.35 | dcode_ | but...I haven't looked into it much |
| 03:15.23 | dcode_ | SpeedEvil, are you a core dev? I'd be very interested in doing a SoC project on this |
| 03:15.28 | dcode_ | it was one of the ideas listed |
| 03:15.30 | SpeedEvil | As I understand, basically, yes. |
| 03:15.33 | SpeedEvil | And no. |
| 03:15.41 | dcode_ | ic |
| 03:15.44 | SpeedEvil | It's quiet around this time |
| 03:15.50 | SpeedEvil | more active 5 hours ago |
| 03:15.51 | dcode_ | where are most the devs located? |
| 03:15.57 | dcode_ | Europe? |
| 03:16.12 | SpeedEvil | US/EU mainly |
| 03:16.18 | dcode_ | k |
| 03:16.30 | SpeedEvil | It's too early for EU to wake up and most of US has gone to bed. |
| 03:16.37 | dcode_ | right |
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| 03:18.51 | XorA | is awake |
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| 03:26.02 | summatusmentis | most of use has gone to bed? what US are you in? |
| 03:26.08 | summatusmentis | (or not in) |
| 03:26.13 | summatusmentis | s/use/us/ |
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| 03:45.31 | jimiridge | <--Cincinnati |
| 03:45.47 | jimiridge | Wed Mar 26 23:45:49 EDT 2008 |
| 03:46.59 | jimiridge | openmoko is like a reg cellphone right? i can just plop in my current sim card and get on the network? i think |
| 03:47.32 | summatusmentis | ideally, yes |
| 03:47.41 | summatusmentis | I don't know how functional the software is |
| 03:47.52 | jimiridge | gawd i cant wait to buy a freerunner |
| 03:48.30 | jimiridge | wifi! |
| 03:48.34 | SpeedEvil | jimiridge: basically - as far as a cellphone - it's similar to the absolute most basic cellphone you can buy 10 years ago at the moment. |
| 03:48.35 | jimiridge | GPS! |
| 03:48.39 | summatusmentis | when FreeRunner is available, I still dont' know the level of teh software |
| 03:48.42 | SpeedEvil | The software is simply no there. |
| 03:48.49 | SpeedEvil | not |
| 03:49.24 | SpeedEvil | At teh moment it's a slow linux laptop, and a bad phone in the same case. |
| 03:49.33 | jimiridge | heh |
| 03:49.37 | SpeedEvil | The software is getting better. |
| 03:49.41 | jimiridge | i dont care i still want it |
| 03:49.45 | SpeedEvil | But not hugely fast. |
| 03:49.52 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 03:49.56 | summatusmentis | when the mentors pick my SoC project, it'll hopefully be better |
| 03:50.06 | SpeedEvil | what's this project? |
| 03:50.18 | jimiridge | what window manager does it use? |
| 03:50.20 | summatusmentis | odeviced |
| 03:50.44 | SpeedEvil | jimiridge: matchbox - hacked |
| 03:50.52 | jimiridge | cool |
| 03:50.56 | summatusmentis | SpeedEvil: http://cda.morris.umn.edu/~theba004 <- it's linked there if you want |
| 03:51.07 | SpeedEvil | The ipkg? |
| 03:51.09 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 03:51.40 | summatusmentis | no, sorry, my application |
| 03:52.06 | SpeedEvil | ipkg is the way that OM deals with installing stuff. |
| 03:52.34 | summatusmentis | SpeedEvil: I know that :) I'm linking you to my application for SoC, if you care |
| 03:52.40 | summatusmentis | there is no odeviced currently |
| 03:53.22 | jimiridge | doesnt the neo have like a 250mhz cpu? |
| 03:53.28 | SpeedEvil | jimiridge: yes |
| 03:53.33 | jimiridge | that is a bit slow |
| 03:53.42 | SpeedEvil | jimiridge: it's really not. |
| 03:54.05 | jimiridge | especially when dealing with a user interface |
| 03:54.09 | SpeedEvil | jimiridge: As a laptop - only maybe 8 or 9 years ago, that'd be pretty much cutting edge. |
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| 03:54.45 | jimiridge | yeah i have a 233mhz cpu right next to me |
| 03:54.50 | SpeedEvil | freerunner will have a 400MHz |
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| 03:55.17 | KNY | anyone around that would care to help me set up qemu? |
| 03:55.48 | SpeedEvil | summatusmentis: the problem is the balance between hiding irrelevant quirks, and being unable to use quirky features. |
| 03:55.54 | doc|home | it's also arm, not x86, which is worth something too, right? |
| 03:56.07 | jimiridge | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU |
| 03:56.08 | KNY | I'm following http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko_under_QEMU and everything is going smoothly until I run openmoko/download.sh and then I get "Kernel is... not found" |
| 03:56.10 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: not in a good way though. |
| 03:56.20 | jimiridge | oh |
| 03:56.23 | doc|home | really? I thought it would? |
| 03:56.27 | KNY | jimiridge, :) |
| 03:56.34 | doc|home | er, or is arm ~= risc? |
| 03:56.38 | jimiridge | arm i'd think would be crappier then an x86 |
| 03:56.39 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: arm is slower than x86 typically. |
| 03:56.46 | summatusmentis | SpeedEvil: yes, I could see how that would be the case, but at the same time, that may partially be up to the developer of the modules |
| 03:56.48 | jimiridge | RISC |
| 03:56.51 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: risc was great - for a couple of years. |
| 03:57.00 | doc|home | SpeedEvil: I'm sure it still is ;) |
| 03:57.03 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: but then what happened was that RAM access time stalled. |
| 03:57.21 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: Ram in 1980 had an access time of around 200ns. |
| 03:57.56 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: it's now only about ten times faster now. |
| 03:58.09 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: in terms of random access - streaming is enormously faster. |
| 03:58.28 | doc|home | shame |
| 03:58.58 | SpeedEvil | The problem that hit was that CISC got into pipelining in a big way. |
| 03:59.25 | SpeedEvil | And RISC can't pipeline in the same manner, as the instructionns are simpler, so you get less of them in a pipeline. |
| 03:59.29 | SpeedEvil | (sort-of) |
| 03:59.33 | doc|home | nods |
| 03:59.36 | SpeedEvil | As a ballpark. |
| 03:59.39 | doc|home | didn't work so well for the p4 ;) |
| 03:59.55 | SpeedEvil | The ARM in the neo at 266MHz is a bit faster than a Pentium 100. |
| 04:00.00 | doc|home | ouch |
| 04:00.05 | SpeedEvil | For some apps. |
| 04:00.14 | doc|home | that's pretty lame |
| 04:00.17 | SpeedEvil | In some ways it's lots faster. |
| 04:00.39 | SpeedEvil | But it has a very small cache, which kills performance, and no floating point. |
| 04:00.57 | doc|home | I have a nokia n800, throttles up to 400mhz, painful for web browsing at times :/ |
| 04:01.15 | doc|home | partially the browser being crap of course |
| 04:01.20 | jimiridge | i'm just in love with the moko i've stayed up nights reading everything there is about the whole project |
| 04:01.39 | SpeedEvil | I was using a browser quite snappily on a 486/75 |
| 04:01.49 | jimiridge | i need to get a job so i can buy one |
| 04:01.52 | doc|home | SpeedEvil: yeah, but not a mozilla based one ;) |
| 04:02.01 | SpeedEvil | doc|home: netscape 3 ? |
| 04:02.07 | unknown_lamer | doc|home: my 120Mhz ARM phone browses fine |
| 04:02.29 | jimiridge | i have a crappy old 486dx compaq laptop from long ago only has 500mb drive |
| 04:02.34 | unknown_lamer | even with opera8 and loading graphics and such ... except for the whole 6M of RAM is ... not much |
| 04:02.46 | jimiridge | right now its running netbsd but i havent booted it in awhile |
| 04:03.08 | jimiridge | no space for X11 :( |
| 04:03.12 | doc|home | SpeedEvil: wasn't that the best time of netscape? :/ |
| 04:03.41 | doc|home | unknown_lamer: yeah, opera is significantly faster than gecko :/ |
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| 04:04.42 | jimiridge | thats whats on my friends... whats it called archos |
| 04:04.58 | unknown_lamer | doc|home: gecko! I thought the N800 would be using webkit? |
| 04:05.08 | jimiridge | heh what a douche he paid extra for plugins and codecs to play all his pirated content |
| 04:05.29 | jimiridge | also i believe its a linux device not exactly open though |
| 04:05.37 | doc|home | unknown_lamer: no, they were using opera, then they switched to gecko |
| 04:05.58 | doc|home | jimiridge: yeah, those archos machines nickle and dime you |
| 04:06.11 | jimiridge | not if you hack into it |
| 04:06.17 | doc|home | meh |
| 04:06.39 | jimiridge | i'm sure if i had one it'd be running my version of linux before you know it |
| 04:07.02 | jimiridge | this kid was just more into instant gratification if you know what i mean |
| 04:07.03 | summatusmentis | I think they're supposed to be pretty easily hackable |
| 04:07.45 | jimiridge | not the one he has, suppoesedly there was a samba exploit but as soon as he got it he paid etc and it all got updated |
| 04:08.05 | jimiridge | so chances are the factory exploit is no more |
| 04:08.37 | jimiridge | still could prolly mount the drive and dick with it that way |
| 04:08.38 | unknown_lamer | doc|home: ewwww |
| 04:09.22 | doc|home | unknown_lamer: yep, nothing much to do though unless someone comes up with an alternative :/ |
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| 04:12.11 | jimiridge | ? |
| 04:12.34 | jimiridge | ls |
| 04:12.44 | mwester-laptop | I/O error |
| 04:12.46 | summatusmentis | NOT A TERMINAL!!!! |
| 04:13.35 | jimiridge | :P |
| 04:13.51 | jimiridge | tilda is a bit glitchy |
| 04:14.42 | jimiridge | doesnt grab the cursor when i initiate it i have to press F1 the terminal pops up <like quake console> but i have to mouse click it |
| 04:20.28 | KNY | trying to set up QEMU: when running openmoko/flash.sh I get bazillions of "s3c_nand_read: Bad register 0x20" messages. Any ideas? |
| 04:23.42 | jimiridge | using neo or freerunner? |
| 04:25.29 | KNY | ah, there's the problem |
| 04:25.42 | KNY | I had some of the env options for 02 some for 01 |
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| 05:17.34 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03werner * r4258 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (gta01-jbt6k74.patch gta02-core.patch): (log message trimmed) |
| 05:17.34 | CIA-17 | openmoko: fix-lcm-flicker.patch |
| 05:17.35 | CIA-17 | openmoko: Resolve LCM flicker issue at source by modifying LCM register |
| 05:17.35 | CIA-17 | openmoko: to not swap Red / Blue data strobe timing on alternate frames only. |
| 05:17.35 | CIA-17 | openmoko: Select instead mode 4 which swaps on alternate lines and frames, so |
| 05:17.38 | CIA-17 | openmoko: we take advantage of EMI reduction but do not see the flicker. |
| 05:17.40 | CIA-17 | openmoko: Signed-off-by: Andy Green <andy@openmoko.com> |
| 05:23.55 | holycow | hello moko |
| 05:26.53 | ewon | get out |
| 05:28.35 | JonCruz | anyone going to LugRadio Live? |
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| 05:48.17 | rwhitby | XorA: so MACHINE = 'om-gta01' in mokomakefile now? |
| 05:48.33 | XorA | rwhitby: not yet, only just finished fixing mtn |
| 05:48.42 | XorA | goes to try and play with projects :-) |
| 05:48.50 | rwhitby | XorA: wanna test your access by making that change? |
| 05:48.58 | XorA | yes |
| 05:49.02 | rwhitby | excellent. |
| 05:49.52 | XorA | oh, it only supports pubkey login? |
| 05:55.20 | XorA | Ill have to wait an hour now |
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| 06:05.04 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03xora * r15 10mokomakefile/trunk/Makefile: Update Makefile for changes to machine names in OM repo |
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| 06:09.44 | jitu3485 | j |
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| 06:29.36 | jimiridge | ugh |
| 06:30.21 | jimiridge | why did i just spend like two hours helping someone with a linux problem, a complete noob too |
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| 06:30.45 | jimiridge | are you currently logged in on a bash shell? |
| 06:30.49 | jimiridge | whats bash? |
| 06:30.56 | jimiridge | whats a shell? |
| 06:31.15 | jimiridge | OMFG maybe they should be back on winblows |
| 06:32.31 | jimiridge | i honestly need to get some certifications so i can get paid to do this shit |
| 06:33.42 | jimiridge | plan on taking the A+ exam sooner or later and possibly persue a mysql/php/LPIC i bet i could ace the linux+ aswell |
| 06:34.06 | jimiridge | sorta refuse to do any MS certs |
| 06:34.17 | jimiridge | fuck them! |
| 06:34.25 | josch | jadams, well at least xfce is super fast on my gta01! :-D |
| 06:34.59 | XorA | josch: hows your debian going? |
| 06:34.59 | jimiridge | heh you got xfce running on the neo |
| 06:35.13 | jimiridge | thats tight |
| 06:35.35 | jimiridge | wonder why matchbox isnt as responsive? |
| 06:35.54 | jimiridge | too manny applets? |
| 06:36.14 | josch | XorA, have any suggestions what to do next? it seems very complete right now |
| 06:36.36 | XorA | josch: well making it repeatable and uploading a HOWTO would be great :-) |
| 06:36.39 | josch | jimiridge, not only xfce but a full debian |
| 06:36.57 | josch | XorA, maybe you have overseen this: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian |
| 06:37.06 | jimiridge | hah |
| 06:37.06 | XorA | josch: then a debian installer support :_) |
| 06:37.17 | ScaredyCat | is it done yet XorA ? |
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| 06:37.26 | jimiridge | wow |
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| 06:38.11 | XorA | josch: schweeeeet!!!!! |
| 06:38.20 | josch | :-) |
| 06:39.03 | jimiridge | is it faster then the openmoko "distro" |
| 06:39.03 | XorA | nominates josch for hack of the month award |
| 06:39.43 | josch | jimiridge, hrm... hard to say... it theoretically shouldnt be any faster because it is gtk too |
| 06:39.44 | XorA | hmm, where is my GTA01bv3 |
| 06:39.54 | XorA | oh, 1000's of miles away :-( |
| 06:40.14 | XorA | the default gtk theme renders faster than the OM theme |
| 06:40.26 | josch | hrm true |
| 06:40.54 | josch | it's not superfast like on dektop but I would say it's fast enough to work well with |
| 06:41.13 | josch | i would make a video but i dont have a cam good enough |
| 06:41.16 | ScaredyCat | pokes XorA |
| 06:41.19 | jadams | josch: how much effort was it to get xfce running? |
| 06:41.26 | XorA | ScaredyCat: wazzup |
| 06:41.36 | ScaredyCat | is it done yet ? |
| 06:41.47 | XorA | what done? |
| 06:41.55 | josch | jadams, hrm... the main problem was xorg and the touchscreen - after having this xfce was only an apt-get away ^^ |
| 06:42.02 | ScaredyCat | the switch from fic to om |
| 06:42.08 | XorA | should be |
| 06:44.11 | ScaredyCat | k, and it's a full rebuld needed now.. too right |
| 06:45.40 | mwester | just finished yesterday's build, then deleted tmp and started anew. |
| 06:46.01 | mwester | I'm expecting a thank-you card from our local electric company. |
| 06:46.10 | mwester | :D |
| 06:46.11 | XorA | hmm, I just shut down the OM monotone server, the database file is fucked somewhere, I need a few minutes to transfer an ok one |
| 06:46.29 | mwester | That's not supposed to happen. :( |
| 06:47.39 | ScaredyCat | ! |
| 06:48.19 | XorA | mwester: I think I accidently truncated it, so its not a mtn fault |
| 06:48.46 | CM | josch: Cool! |
| 06:49.27 | BioGeek | Hey I'm trying to setup the Qemu emulation environment on Ubunty 7.10. After I run 'make qemu' I get an "Kernel is... not found make: *** [download-images] Error 255" message. See http://pastebin.com/m1902c793 |
| 06:51.17 | jimiridge | whoah beer volcanoe! |
| 06:51.27 | jimiridge | hate when i spill a beer for a sec |
| 06:54.49 | CM | ScaredyCat: What command to update to the latest build? make update-mtn setup-openembedded all? :) |
| 07:00.17 | SpeedEvil | Should just redownloading mmf and then hitting the big red button work? |
| 07:00.43 | XorA | in about 5 minutes it should |
| 07:00.50 | XorA | I would hold your horses now though |
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| 07:01.47 | SpeedEvil | restrains horses. |
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| 07:04.45 | ScaredyCat | CM: I'd wait a sec |
| 07:05.37 | CM | :( |
| 07:05.51 | CM | needs to go to work where there's no ssh |
| 07:05.53 | XorA | 2:39 |
| 07:05.56 | CM | Damn bank firewalls.. |
| 07:06.46 | doc|home | cool, dash express made engadget |
| 07:06.55 | doc|home | twice in fact |
| 07:06.58 | jimiridge | heh |
| 07:07.04 | CM | Link? |
| 07:07.05 | jimiridge | i got a shell if you want an account |
| 07:07.10 | doc|home | http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/26/dash-express-unboxing-and-hands-on/#comments |
| 07:07.16 | doc|home | scroll up |
| 07:07.32 | jimiridge | you'll need putty unless i can find a php ssh client |
| 07:07.36 | CM | Thanks |
| 07:07.58 | ScaredyCat | ~blam XorA |
| 07:07.58 | apt | ACTION blams findlay and XorA in the head with a blam-o-tron |
| 07:08.05 | ScaredyCat | ~blame XorA |
| 07:08.06 | apt | ACTION blames XorA (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 07:08.38 | jimiridge | you saying the bank firewall blocks outgoing ssh or their are no linux computers |
| 07:09.19 | CM | doc|home: Heh, wonder what the Geek Scren is for :) |
| 07:09.48 | doc|home | cm geek screen? |
| 07:09.59 | CM | Top option on page 19 |
| 07:10.05 | CM | Image 19 I mean |
| 07:10.25 | doc|home | hah, cool |
| 07:10.47 | CM | Console and on screen keyboard would be fun ;) |
| 07:10.52 | doc|home | hehe |
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| 07:11.44 | doc|home | wants a phone damn it! |
| 07:11.46 | XorA | seems to be fixed now |
| 07:11.55 | XorA | makes the GO GO GO shouts |
| 07:13.41 | SpeedEvil | make setups |
| 07:14.48 | ScaredyCat | starts go-go ing |
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| 07:21.50 | SpeedEvil | Argh. |
| 07:22.22 | SpeedEvil | I just realised I bleww away my nice patches to MMF that supported --limit-rate for all the wgets |
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| 07:39.16 | methril | morning |
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| 07:54.22 | ScaredyCat | pfff limit rating is for pussies |
| 07:54.50 | ScaredyCat | :o new moko vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 |
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| 07:58.17 | rwhitby | notes that XorA is now qualified for MokoMakefile maintenance :-) |
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| 07:58.29 | XorA | heh heh |
| 07:58.54 | XorA | rwhitby: I shall move MokoMakefile to inside OE then recurse |
| 07:59.02 | rwhitby | the only trouble is that I have to run "make update-makefile" for the very first time ever! |
| 07:59.16 | XorA | hopes it doesnt brake |
| 07:59.35 | rwhitby | (well, "svn up" rather than "make update-makefile" ...) |
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| 08:08.08 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:13.53 | mbuf | Hopscotch, good morning |
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| 08:20.51 | josch | jimiridge, hey, I just ran openmoko again to compare both and this are my findings about speed: when I start a new app, then most of them (like console, mousepad, the settings dialoges etc) start actually faster then apps like contacts, phone etc. so in openmoko. I did not time the startup speed as it is visibly faster in xfce. also something very interesting: when you change tabs in openmoko apps like the phone it takes some seconds to load t |
| 08:20.51 | josch | he new tab. if I switch tabs in the xfce gui with tons of buttons and checkboxes it's much faster - I dont know why and maybe it's just me or somthing ^^ would be great if others could confirm this as I cannot explain this behaviour |
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| 08:21.41 | josch | maybe it's all about the gtk theming |
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| 08:56.11 | jitu3485 | hi |
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| 09:01.17 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4259 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-messages2/ (ChangeLog src/sms-compose.c): openmoko-messages2: fix sms composer name problem if Contacts exists |
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| 09:36.48 | josch | omfg xfce window compositing effects with shadows and transparency also work!! |
| 09:37.19 | jimiridge | heh |
| 09:37.39 | jimiridge | like compiz shit? |
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| 09:38.45 | josch | not wobbly windows and no cube (this would be overkill for sure) but transparency and shadows work quite well |
| 09:39.48 | Sup3rkiddo | josch, in the neo? |
| 09:39.59 | josch | y0 |
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| 09:40.18 | Sup3rkiddo | but i thought that requires hardware accel |
| 09:41.33 | josch | the xfce effects are done in software |
| 09:43.38 | Xx13 | i tried composite effects in e17, when done in software it's not usable at all |
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| 09:47.13 | josch | i dont know what you enabled but everything I mentioned works quite fine on my neo with xfce. I even can move around a half transparent window at a good framerate |
| 09:49.05 | jimiridge | i still need to setup a build env |
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| 09:50.56 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4260 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/phone-kit/moko-sms.c): moko-sms.c : display the status report icon |
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| 10:08.50 | mbuf | what applications from the built images are usable with gps? or are there any installs to be done to be able to use GPS? |
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| 10:10.50 | torpor | hi folks |
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| 10:10.58 | torpor | anyone know whats up with monotone.openembedded.org today? |
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| 10:14.22 | ScaredyCat | same old same old.. |
| 10:14.35 | ScaredyCat | have you rm -rf 'd yout tmp ... |
| 10:14.57 | ScaredyCat | fic-gta0* became om-gta0* |
| 10:15.09 | ScaredyCat | so you need to rebuild.. after update |
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| 10:16.28 | torpor | oh |
| 10:16.35 | torpor | Please set a valid MACHINE in your local.conf |
| 10:16.57 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 10:17.01 | ScaredyCat | om-gta01 |
| 10:17.04 | torpor | that was a significant thing to change |
| 10:17.23 | ScaredyCat | ~blame Sean |
| 10:17.24 | apt | ACTION blames Sean (and Canada) for all the evil in the world |
| 10:17.47 | torpor | see anything else i need to change? |
| 10:17.50 | torpor | http://rafb.net/p/fcTi2P85.html |
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| 10:20.30 | jimiridge | that'd be funny to include bluebox tones on the dialer |
| 10:20.53 | jimiridge | maybe a hidden button that reveals em |
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| 10:22.47 | mbuf | ScaredyCat, same here as well; rebuild == "make update-makefile && make setup update openmoko-devel-image" ? |
| 10:23.17 | torpor | nice article: |
| 10:23.17 | torpor | http://gigaom.com/2008/03/26/what-makes-a-good-mobile-application-great/ |
| 10:23.29 | torpor | mbuf: edit local.conf too, remember .. |
| 10:23.45 | XorA | jimiridge: a 2600/2400 ringtone :-) |
| 10:24.00 | jimiridge | yes |
| 10:24.32 | mbuf | torpor, ok |
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| 10:28.58 | ScaredyCat | you only need to change the machine torpor... |
| 10:29.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1309 has been created by mdt(AT)emdete.de |
| 10:29.01 | cdbot2 | * * gprs dialin responses "ERROR" |
| 10:29.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1309 |
| 10:29.11 | torpor | ScaredyCat: okay thanks, building now .. |
| 10:29.14 | ScaredyCat | mbuf: rm -rf your build/tmp dir |
| 10:29.29 | mbuf | ScaredyCat, ok |
| 10:29.29 | ScaredyCat | before building |
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| 10:30.38 | mbuf | ScaredyCat, thanks |
| 10:30.47 | ScaredyCat | np |
| 10:31.17 | ScaredyCat | I'm only a few hours ahead of you (in build terms) |
| 10:31.31 | ScaredyCat | so I should hit any issues first... |
| 10:31.35 | mbuf | ScaredyCat, :) |
| 10:31.38 | ScaredyCat | then I can bash XorA |
| 10:31.59 | emdete | has someone testet gprs with Moko>1 ? |
| 10:32.06 | XorA | nope Im finished for the day |
| 10:32.37 | ScaredyCat | searches for XorA's mobile numbers... |
| 10:33.47 | ScaredyCat | XorA: did anything get posted to the lists to notify people of what was going on? |
| 10:34.06 | XorA | yes |
| 10:34.16 | XorA | distro-devel where distro development gets discussed |
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| 10:34.30 | XorA | GTA01 Machine Config Renamed |
| 10:35.28 | jimiridge | omFG AAHHHH |
| 10:35.42 | mbuf | ScaredyCat, http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/distro-devel/2008-March/000300.html |
| 10:36.22 | ScaredyCat | k |
| 10:36.53 | mbuf | ScaredyCat, there is no TARGET_ARCH in your local.conf? |
| 10:39.24 | mbuf | ScaredyCat, http://rafb.net/p/0buzG045.html |
| 10:39.34 | ScaredyCat | no |
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| 10:40.41 | ScaredyCat | don't need it.. |
| 10:40.46 | mbuf | ScaredyCat, ok |
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| 10:41.20 | mbuf | jitender, did you add TARGET_ARCH yourself, or was it there by default? |
| 10:43.36 | cb22 | anyone know a way of controlling the speed of cat or dd? |
| 10:43.52 | ScaredyCat | mieow |
| 10:43.58 | jitender | mbuf i added as i reffered on net i will check url and let you know |
| 10:44.28 | mbuf | jitender, ok |
| 10:44.30 | ScaredyCat | afaik the machine defines the target type and you're just overriding it with what it is already |
| 10:45.09 | XorA | yes |
| 10:45.28 | XorA | no need to TARGET_ARCH or BUILD_ARCH or any other funny variables people seem to love to set |
| 10:46.33 | mbuf | ok |
| 10:46.37 | ScaredyCat | did you see andy selby's response to your message XorA |
| 10:46.53 | XorA | ScaredyCat: ive had no mails |
| 10:46.54 | jitender | since error was regarding MACHINE and TARGET_ARCH i added latter one http://fr.pastebin.ca/raw/913932 |
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| 10:47.06 | jitender | mbuf since error was regarding MACHINE and TARGET_ARCH i added latter one http://fr.pastebin.ca/raw/913932 |
| 10:47.16 | ScaredyCat | "don't fic make the phones and om the software" |
| 10:47.29 | XorA | ScaredyCat: oh that ways days ago |
| 10:47.34 | XorA | I think he was schooled |
| 10:47.48 | ScaredyCat | Date: |
| 10:47.48 | ScaredyCat | Today 09:43:19 |
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| 10:53.30 | XorA | ScaredyCat: I have received no mail from anyone called Andy Selby |
| 10:53.41 | mbuf | jitender, ok |
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| 10:54.17 | ScaredyCat | community list |
| 10:54.26 | XorA | oh, I dont subscribe there |
| 10:55.03 | XorA | he requires schooled then |
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| 10:56.21 | ScaredyCat | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-March/014414.html |
| 10:56.45 | XorA | ScaredyCat: yeah I looked it up |
| 10:56.54 | XorA | Ill get that email tomorrow when the archives sync |
| 10:57.48 | ScaredyCat | cleans up dog vomit.. |
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| 11:35.04 | bedboi | hi there |
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| 12:13.51 | florian | hi bedboi |
| 12:13.58 | bedboi | hey florian |
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| 12:16.11 | avtobiff | hi bedboi, florian |
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| 12:20.47 | josch | hrm... can somebody help me with a gdm/xorg problem with debian on neo? |
| 12:21.10 | josch | if I boot debian on my neo gdm, xorg and xfce start up fine |
| 12:21.19 | josch | then I do /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 12:21.27 | josch | and then /etc/init.d/gdm start |
| 12:21.33 | josch | but it doesn't start |
| 12:21.55 | josch | the reason is and xorg error |
| 12:22.09 | josch | xf86OpenConsole: Cannot open virtual console 255 (No such file or directory) |
| 12:22.18 | josch | this also occurs when I do startx |
| 12:22.36 | josch | I can only start x manually if I specify a vt manually via startx -- vt1 |
| 12:22.39 | josch | but: |
| 12:23.06 | josch | why does xorg start on boot correctly in vt1 and when I stop/start gdm it wont work? |
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| 13:09.16 | summatusmentis | hi all |
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| 14:06.57 | summatusmentis | Sup3rkiddo: I submitted my application to OM for odeviced last night, FYI |
| 14:07.25 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, hi, great..:D, me too...did it a couple of hours ago |
| 14:07.48 | summatusmentis | for odeviced? well, good luck to you, I suppose |
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| 14:08.14 | summatusmentis | sorry, that came out bitter |
| 14:08.16 | Sup3rkiddo | yep, odeviced... |
| 14:08.22 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, bitter? |
| 14:08.44 | summatusmentis | <summatusmentis> for odeviced? well, good luck to you, I suppose |
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| 14:08.54 | summatusmentis | it came out meaner than I meant it |
| 14:09.06 | summatusmentis | no, I wish you the best of luck, OM needs an odeviced |
| 14:09.39 | Sup3rkiddo | lol..yeah.. |
| 14:09.52 | thos | OM needs a solid software plan |
| 14:10.05 | summatusmentis | well, maybe that too, but that's not a GSoC project |
| 14:10.33 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, you too...if all goes well, both of could work on the same code :P |
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| 14:11.00 | summatusmentis | Sup3rkiddo: I feel like your application is probably stronger, you're more familiar w/ OM code. If Mickeyl can figure out a way to split the project, we most definitely could |
| 14:11.23 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, yep....it would be fun |
| 14:11.58 | summatusmentis | yeah it would. :-D Here's hoping |
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| 14:14.30 | summatusmentis | mickey|zzZZzz: when you're around, check your email. I'l work on brainstorming ways the odeviced project could be split into two |
| 14:16.26 | Sup3rkiddo | is he back from his lunch :P |
| 14:17.49 | summatusmentis | he's apparently back from dinner, and is now in never-ending sleep mode |
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| 15:01.16 | ScaredyCat | sighs |
| 15:01.17 | ScaredyCat | Running task 1721 of 3907 |
| 15:01.48 | summatusmentis | just get a faster machine :-D |
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| 15:02.33 | wurp2|away | Just get a cluster of faster machines and use clustered make |
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| 15:03.44 | Sup3rkiddo | looks at his 5 year old box |
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| 15:04.01 | mohan_ | when i downloading using svn co http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src .i can,t download it.my error is |
| 15:04.06 | wurp2 | :-) My main machine at home is about 3 yrs old |
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| 15:04.34 | mwester | Frankly I think that the separation of the -native build from the target build steps would go a long way; the wiping of tmp is often just because nobody knows how to clean up, and it would be unusual that a change would cross that boundary. |
| 15:04.35 | thos | hi wurp2 |
| 15:04.59 | mohan_ | svn: REPORT request failed on '/!svn/vcc/default |
| 15:05.05 | mwester | But the OE team do not believe in the concept of external toolchains, in general. I do not know why this is... :( |
| 15:05.11 | mohan_ | please any one can help me |
| 15:05.26 | SpeedEvil | mohan_: try again? |
| 15:05.31 | XorA|gone | mwester: we can generate and use them |
| 15:05.44 | mwester | I know, but it's not done. |
| 15:05.54 | XorA|gone | thats a users choice, not ours |
| 15:05.58 | mohan_ | i already repeated more than 20 times |
| 15:06.01 | Sup3rkiddo | mohan_, it works for me |
| 15:06.14 | mwester | XorA|gone: That's what I mean about "the OE team do not believe in the concept of external toolchains" |
| 15:06.28 | mwester | Every other company on the planet does. |
| 15:06.32 | ScaredyCat | try a revert mohan_ |
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| 15:06.48 | mohan_ | ok i will again again |
| 15:06.55 | XorA|gone | mwester: OE team dont distribute binaries, feel free to do so |
| 15:07.07 | SpeedEvil | mwester: are OE a company? |
| 15:07.23 | mwester | Oh, I'm not even talking about binaries. I'm referring to the separation of toolchain from target. |
| 15:07.24 | XorA|gone | SpeedEvil: nope, good point |
| 15:07.32 | mwester | That can be done in source, but it is not. |
| 15:07.47 | mwester | SpeedEvil: You know what I meant. |
| 15:07.59 | XorA|gone | mwester: your talking out of your arse, RP spent a lot of hours seperating them, if you dont bother to read dont blame OE |
| 15:08.00 | mwester | Operative word = "other" |
| 15:08.15 | mwester | XorA|gone: I disagree. They share the same tmpdir. |
| 15:08.21 | mwester | They are entangled. |
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| 15:08.37 | XorA|gone | looks hmm, /usr/local/arm hmm, nope thats not my tmpdir |
| 15:08.39 | ScaredyCat | XorA|gone: read? |
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| 15:08.57 | ScaredyCat | points at the oe dosc |
| 15:08.58 | ScaredyCat | docs |
| 15:09.08 | mwester | looks in tmpdir/* -- yep, there's the -native, the cross, AND all the target. |
| 15:09.12 | XorA|gone | ScaredyCat: emails, yu know that old skewl communication method :-) |
| 15:09.33 | SpeedEvil | delivers an email to XorA|gones console. |
| 15:09.36 | XorA|gone | mwester: beacue you chose to put it there |
| 15:09.56 | XorA|gone | gets exasperated at people talking shit |
| 15:10.06 | mwester | Ok, guys. You're doing a great job at being defensive here. You know what I'm saying, but you make my point for me by being deliberately obtuse. |
| 15:10.33 | XorA|gone | for fucks sake, OM even advertied its fucking toolchain, shut up and quit the shit |
| 15:10.49 | mwester | Watch your temper. |
| 15:10.51 | ScaredyCat | ooooooo get her |
| 15:11.07 | cb22 | popcorn time! |
| 15:12.02 | mwester | I rest my case. |
| 15:12.02 | XorA|gone | you dont have a case, you have ill informed crap to spout |
| 15:12.03 | ScaredyCat | rests his overnight bag |
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| 15:12.44 | ScaredyCat | XorA|gone: you could of course illustrate how you use a non tmpdir based setup... |
| 15:12.49 | mwester | shrugs. Some people refuse to see the truth. |
| 15:13.00 | SpeedEvil | constructs a debating ring, and hands out the weapons from a large stack of pillows. |
| 15:13.17 | XorA|gone | some people actually work with OE more than whining |
| 15:13.21 | ScaredyCat | refuses to enter a rign off mass debation |
| 15:13.26 | ScaredyCat | ring |
| 15:13.37 | ScaredyCat | of |
| 15:13.38 | mwester | Some people have worked in the real world, too. |
| 15:14.04 | ScaredyCat | fire |
| 15:14.07 | ScaredyCat | I |
| 15:14.16 | ScaredyCat | fell |
| 15:14.20 | ScaredyCat | into |
| 15:14.26 | ScaredyCat | a |
| 15:14.31 | ScaredyCat | burning |
| 15:14.40 | mwester | puts ScaredyCat on the ignore list |
| 15:14.47 | ScaredyCat | pffft... |
| 15:14.56 | ScaredyCat | who pays any attention to me anyway |
| 15:15.43 | Sup3rkiddo | ScaredyCat, there there..i do |
| 15:16.56 | Sup3rkiddo | who pay attention to me |
| 15:16.56 | anrp | ! |
| 15:16.59 | anrp | get im! |
| 15:17.06 | Sup3rkiddo | s/pay/pays/ |
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| 15:18.47 | ScaredyCat | huh? who said that? |
| 15:19.00 | ScaredyCat | sniggers |
| 15:19.10 | ScaredyCat | widbx |
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| 15:27.45 | cb22 | poor poor ScaredyCat |
| 15:27.47 | RP | mwester: http://pokylinux.org/autobuild/toolchain/ - external toolchains which work with poky |
| 15:28.08 | RP | mwester: There is no reason OE can't do it either |
| 15:29.33 | mwester | RP: I'm done with this topic; I'm sorry I brought it up now. It's not an issue of what OE can and can't do -- I know that it *can* do it, it's a philisophical difference in how large-scale software development processes should work to be repeatable, scaleable, and efficient. That's all I have to say; I'll say no more. |
| 15:30.04 | XorA|gone | ~lart x-chat for broken ignore |
| 15:30.04 | apt | readies the nuke launcher and fires some rounds at x-chat for broken ignore |
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| 15:30.54 | RP | mwester: packaged staging and the QA checks we're trying to implement don't do anything towards this? |
| 15:31.12 | RP | mwester: I'm just kind of saddened to think that people feel nobody cares about these things :( |
| 15:31.58 | ScaredyCat | !googlefight lart vs trout |
| 15:32.00 | cdbot2 | By results on Google: trout beats lart by 18,500,000 to 17,200,000! |
| 15:32.12 | ScaredyCat | ~fish XorA|gone |
| 15:32.13 | apt | ACTION slaps XorA|gone around with a large trout |
| 15:32.24 | XorA|gone | ~prod ScaredyCat |
| 15:32.24 | apt | ACTION zaps ScaredyCat with a high voltage cattle prod |
| 15:32.53 | ScaredyCat | ~stab-in-theface-with-a-chainsword XorA|gone |
| 15:33.02 | XorA|gone | bugger got me there |
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| 15:33.52 | ScaredyCat | thinks googlefight should be the answer to every question |
| 15:34.10 | cb22 | !googlefight googlefight vs other |
| 15:34.11 | cdbot2 | By results on Google: other beats googlefight by 3,340,000,000 to 252,000! |
| 15:34.16 | cb22 | nah. |
| 15:34.17 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 15:34.23 | maroi | !googlefight answer to every question vs 42 |
| 15:34.25 | cdbot2 | By results on Google: 42 beats answer to every question by 2,290,000,000 to 21,500,000! |
| 15:34.28 | XorA|gone | !googlefight a vs b |
| 15:34.29 | cdbot2 | By results on Google: a beats b by 14,180,000,000 to 2,660,000,000! |
| 15:34.34 | ScaredyCat | !other |
| 15:34.42 | Sup3rkiddo | ! |
| 15:34.44 | cb22 | !googlefight cat vs dog |
| 15:34.45 | cdbot2 | By results on Google: cat beats dog by 728,000,000 to 390,000,000! |
| 15:34.55 | cb22 | wtf haxs |
| 15:35.04 | Sup3rkiddo | !googlefight openmoko vs android |
| 15:35.05 | cdbot2 | By results on Google: android beats openmoko by 13,100,000 to 831,000! |
| 15:35.11 | ScaredyCat | :oo |
| 15:35.13 | ScaredyCat | :( |
| 15:35.13 | Sup3rkiddo | hrm..:/ |
| 15:35.27 | Sup3rkiddo | !googlefight openmoko sucks vs android sucks |
| 15:35.28 | cdbot2 | By results on Google: android sucks beats openmoko sucks by 339,000 to 13,100! |
| 15:35.30 | cb22 | !googefight "google android" vs openmoko |
| 15:35.32 | Sup3rkiddo | :D |
| 15:35.44 | Qwell | googefight! |
| 15:35.52 | cb22 | actually !googlefight |
| 15:35.53 | Sup3rkiddo | just 13,100 for om sucks :D |
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| 15:36.42 | ScaredyCat | !googlefight stop messing with the bot Vs go on then keep messing with the bot |
| 15:36.43 | cdbot2 | By results on Google: go on then keep messing with the bot beats stop messing with the bot by 1,850,000 to 173,000! |
| 15:36.49 | ScaredyCat | doh! |
| 15:37.23 | cb22 | !googlefight ~lart ScaredyCat vs ~trout ScaredyCat |
| 15:37.24 | cdbot2 | By results on Google: ~trout ScaredyCat beats ~lart ScaredyCat by 42,800 to 323! |
| 15:37.56 | ScaredyCat | !google ~trout ScaredyCat |
| 15:37.58 | cdbot2 | Did you mean: ~trout Scaredy Cat ? | Sign in @ https://www.google.com/accounts/Login?continue=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=~trout+ScaredyCat&safe=off&btnG=Search&lr=lang_all&hl=en | What Did You Eat?: WHB: Salmon With Th @ http://whatdidyoueat.typepad.com/what_did_you_eat/2007/05/whb_salmon_with.html%20class=l |
| 15:38.02 | zedstar | !googlefight stalagmites vs stalactites |
| 15:38.03 | cdbot2 | By results on Google: stalactites beats stalagmites by 545,000 to 378,000! |
| 15:38.18 | cb22 | !googlefight mkv vs avi |
| 15:38.19 | cdbot2 | By results on Google: avi beats mkv by 122,000,000 to 6,980,000! |
| 15:38.26 | Sup3rkiddo | whee...this channel is full of men on LSD |
| 15:38.48 | ScaredyCat | !googlefight chicken porn Vs Hippo porn |
| 15:38.49 | cb22 | in the same vain, comments on the quality of http://cb22.za.net/videos/test.mkv |
| 15:38.49 | cdbot2 | By results on Google: chicken porn beats Hippo porn by 638,000 to 198,000! |
| 15:39.01 | ScaredyCat | shudders |
| 15:39.11 | Sup3rkiddo | Hippo porn?!! wtf |
| 15:39.16 | ScaredyCat | yeah.. |
| 15:39.29 | zedstar | u need a mini step ladder |
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| 15:39.46 | Sup3rkiddo | ScaredyCat is weird..:S |
| 15:40.06 | Qwell | Sup3rkiddo: sadly, so are 198,000 others |
| 15:40.36 | Sup3rkiddo | man....no i am wondering how hippos do it |
| 15:40.45 | Sup3rkiddo | s/no/now/ |
| 15:40.52 | ScaredyCat | cb22: this is better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 |
| 15:41.14 | Blastur | !googlefight openmoko vs iphone |
| 15:41.15 | cdbot2 | By results on Google: iphone beats openmoko by 139,000,000 to 831,000! |
| 15:41.20 | Blastur | oh dear :( |
| 15:41.26 | summatusmentis | !googlefight summatusmentis vs Sup3rkiddo |
| 15:41.27 | cdbot2 | By results on Google: Sup3rkiddo beats summatusmentis by 1,450 to 1,090! |
| 15:41.31 | cb22 | Sup3rkiddo: links doesnt have flash :p |
| 15:41.32 | Sup3rkiddo | ooo |
| 15:41.35 | summatusmentis | well, that's telling :-D |
| 15:41.40 | Qwell | !googlefight Qwell vs Sup3rkiddo |
| 15:41.40 | cdbot2 | By results on Google: Qwell beats Sup3rkiddo by 173,000 to 1,450! |
| 15:41.42 | Qwell | no contest |
| 15:41.45 | cb22 | s/Sup3rkiddo/ScardeyCat/ |
| 15:42.03 | ScaredyCat | pah |
| 15:42.06 | cb22 | now people go watch my damn video |
| 15:42.19 | Sup3rkiddo | passes |
| 15:42.26 | ScaredyCat | wind? |
| 15:42.34 | Sup3rkiddo | bleh |
| 15:43.07 | summatusmentis | hawt |
| 15:43.14 | cb22 | sighs. i swear that video isnt hippo porn |
| 15:43.21 | cb22 | its kanye west - stronger |
| 15:43.30 | zedstar | is beast tube still going? |
| 15:43.32 | cb22 | encoded at really low bitrates |
| 15:44.39 | TobiX | cb22: 160x128? Yuck... |
| 15:44.46 | cb22 | TobiX: indeed |
| 15:45.07 | cb22 | but that file should be able to be streamed through gprs |
| 15:45.08 | Sup3rkiddo | a player for youtube videos on the FreeRunner will be great |
| 15:45.31 | cb22 | Sup3rkiddo: uhm, i have that project on projects.openmoko.org =) |
| 15:45.41 | Sup3rkiddo | cb22, oh!!! |
| 15:45.48 | TobiX | cb22: The sound isn't too bad on my notebook speaker... |
| 15:47.03 | cb22 | TobiX: 16kbit vorbis ftw :) |
| 15:47.25 | cb22 | what im thinking of, is something like a mini encoding server running on your pc at home |
| 15:47.42 | cb22 | grabs youtube videos, transcodes them, and makes them avalable for streaming over gprs to your neo |
| 15:48.10 | XorA|gone | zedstar: *cough* |
| 15:48.16 | cb22 | naturally however, there will also be a way to preload higher quality youtube videos, or watch them normally when connected to something faster then gprs |
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| 15:48.51 | cb22 | its quite amazing when you think that the bitrate of the video is 30kbit/s |
| 15:48.53 | XorA|gone | youtube has a gprs steaming mode already |
| 15:49.11 | SpeedEvil | Also, there will be a codec that enables streaming of high quality videos (HD quality) over GPRS. |
| 15:49.19 | SpeedEvil | Someone else will develop this. |
| 15:49.48 | cb22 | XorA|gone: afaik gprs is too slow for it |
| 15:49.59 | cb22 | not to mention certain providers block rtsp, like mine |
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| 15:50.14 | XorA|gone | cb22: mobile.youtube.com exists and transcode to smaller, but I still get hit by blocked rstp |
| 15:50.21 | XorA|gone | cb22: where is your video? |
| 15:50.22 | ScaredyCat | screw youtube what about porntube! |
| 15:50.39 | XorA|gone | ScaredyCat: zedstar wanted beast tube, thats porn |
| 15:50.52 | cb22 | XorA|gone: http://cb22.za.net/videos/test.mkv |
| 15:51.04 | SpeedEvil | Penguin porn! |
| 15:51.14 | zedstar | tough to catch those lil bastards tho |
| 15:51.29 | cb22 | my p990 on gprs, not 3g, can download it in slightly less time then the length of the video |
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| 15:52.53 | XorA|gone | cb22: quite good, but why mkv? |
| 15:53.01 | XorA|gone | mpeg4 is a nice wrapper on its own |
| 15:53.13 | cb22 | XorA|gone: hmm, can mpeg4 take vorbis? |
| 15:53.42 | XorA|gone | cb22: ah, hmm, no idea, but mkv is such piss poorly supported its a pain |
| 15:53.52 | cb22 | 16kbit/s vorbis is tons better then mp3. i haven't manaaged to get faac to go that low yet |
| 15:55.15 | XorA|gone | of course ogg can take h264 and vorbis :-) |
| 15:55.37 | cb22 | ogm? |
| 15:55.44 | XorA|gone | cb22: but nice tech demo |
| 15:55.55 | XorA|gone | cb22: ogm is a corruption of ogg |
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| 15:56.11 | XorA|gone | ogg is the file format vorbis and theora the codecs |
| 15:56.28 | XorA|gone | but Im pretty sure ogg can contain h264 |
| 15:56.34 | XorA|gone | but I could be wrong |
| 15:56.42 | cb22 | hmm, /me fires up ffmpeg |
| 15:56.44 | XorA|gone | its been a few years since I lost interest in video |
| 15:57.26 | summatusmentis | Sup3rkiddo: if you've got any ideas as to how we could potentially split odeviced, i'd be interested in hearing them. Everything I've come up with has to parts that are dependent on one another |
| 15:57.27 | ScaredyCat | omg! |
| 15:57.28 | ScaredyCat | http://rr.rezbit.com/blog/20080327/howto-TomTom-on-openmoko.html |
| 15:57.52 | summatusmentis | Sup3rkiddo: otherwise, may the best candidate win :) |
| 15:58.01 | ScaredyCat | wanders off into the sunset |
| 15:58.05 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, i have been using my limited brains on that one as well...:/ |
| 15:58.10 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, yay |
| 15:58.12 | XorA|gone | cb22: thats actually watchable on eeePC screen |
| 15:58.20 | summatusmentis | goes to class |
| 15:58.42 | cb22 | XorA|gone: i'm hoping it will be watchable on a freerunner / neo too :) |
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| 15:59.04 | XorA|gone | cb22: freereunner screen is smaller so should be, remind me tomorrow and I might try freerunner |
| 15:59.21 | Sup3rkiddo | cb22, does your app use gnash...(or where is the link) |
| 15:59.28 | cb22 | XorA|gone: cool :) thanks! |
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| 15:59.46 | cb22 | Sup3rkiddo: still planning |
| 15:59.55 | cb22 | but using that would be wasteful |
| 15:59.59 | cb22 | just get the url and mplayer it |
| 16:00.11 | Sup3rkiddo | cb22, oh..doh..yeah |
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| 16:00.51 | XorA|gone | shit I think its midnight again, but I lost track of timezne |
| 16:01.18 | cb22 | woah, vorbis rocks :) |
| 16:01.45 | Cap_J_L_Picard | ScaredyCat: That's scary... |
| 16:01.47 | cb22 | much better then 16kbit/s mp3 and better then 16kbit/s aac |
| 16:01.49 | Cap_J_L_Picard | osm FTW |
| 16:02.14 | XorA|gone | cb22: well mobiles was one of the targets of vorbis where mp3/aac were designed for films |
| 16:02.32 | SpeedEvil | cb22: tried GSM? |
| 16:02.33 | cb22 | yeah, i've heard about how good it is at low bitrates before |
| 16:02.46 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: will try it now |
| 16:02.56 | SpeedEvil | it's probably not built as normal. |
| 16:03.11 | SpeedEvil | you've got to build ffmpeg seperately with libgsm |
| 16:03.21 | cb22 | yeah, i'm fetching it now |
| 16:03.25 | SpeedEvil | I got that done but haven't built it in mplaer |
| 16:04.46 | XorA|gone | someone needs to re-implement libgsm GPL compatible |
| 16:05.08 | SpeedEvil | nominates XorA. |
| 16:05.23 | XorA|gone | SpeedEvil: heh heh |
| 16:05.32 | SpeedEvil | is busy coding JPEG coders. |
| 16:06.05 | SpeedEvil | Which is fun with 20K of RAM, and a 3MP image. |
| 16:06.55 | cb22 | UAV? |
| 16:06.57 | XorA|gone | heh heh |
| 16:07.39 | SpeedEvil | Not directly related to that - but that's one possible applicaiton of the result. |
| 16:07.52 | SpeedEvil | A good quality small camera. |
| 16:08.06 | mmp | cb22: Unmanned Air Vehicle? |
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| 16:08.19 | cb22 | mmp: yep, last i recall SpeedEvil was building one |
| 16:08.23 | mmp | aha:) |
| 16:08.24 | SpeedEvil | Think of one of those 'keychain' cameras - but recording onto microSD, but with 2MP, not 0.1MP |
| 16:08.38 | mmp | was out of channel for few days... |
| 16:09.02 | SpeedEvil | Basically. I'm trying to make stuff for money. :) |
| 16:09.39 | cb22 | um, whats a suitable container for gsm audio? |
| 16:09.41 | ScaredyCat | why not just make money |
| 16:09.48 | SpeedEvil | One project is a UAV - which you drive up somewhere, take a briefcase out of the car, walk to an open spot with no nearby buildigs. Put the case down and open it. Press the big red butto. |
| 16:10.01 | ScaredyCat | cb22: an old peanut tin |
| 16:10.13 | SpeedEvil | The UAV takes off, flies to 1-4Km up, takes a 100MP or so panorama, then lands back on (or near) the briefcase) |
| 16:10.21 | ScaredyCat | like dragonfly? |
| 16:10.41 | SpeedEvil | then you put it back in the car, plug it into the lighter socket, and can do this again in 15 mins. |
| 16:11.19 | mmp | nice:-) |
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| 16:12.43 | ScaredyCat | dragonflyer, not dragobfly |
| 16:13.02 | SpeedEvil | don't know that. |
| 16:13.58 | ScaredyCat | http://www.rctoys.com/rc-toys-and-parts/DF-VTI/RC-HELICOPTERS-DRAGANFLYER-VTI.html |
| 16:14.28 | ScaredyCat | iirc they do different grades of it, up to military/police spec |
| 16:14.30 | SpeedEvil | No - this is a _very_ custom thing. |
| 16:14.38 | SpeedEvil | It climbs vertically at 20MPH |
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| 16:16.07 | SpeedEvil | And is completely automated. |
| 16:18.56 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/test.png is a render of it flying overhead. |
| 16:21.12 | ScaredyCat | "FIC, which also makes the Cloudbook and several Linux-based cellphones" <------------which ones |
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| 16:32.56 | dcode | Good morning, all |
| 16:33.59 | dcode | I am interested in the SoC suggestion of porting openmoko to EZX |
| 16:34.08 | dcode | I was hoping to find some more info |
| 16:36.25 | dcode | I currently own a Moto MING and a ROKR E6, which are both EZX platforms |
| 16:36.44 | dcode | albeit, very similar software stacks |
| 16:40.28 | Sup3rkiddo | dcode, hi, did you ping the lists...the experts may be asleep or busy atm :) |
| 16:41.02 | dcode | I just started researching this last night |
| 16:41.06 | dcode | so...eh...no |
| 16:41.10 | dcode | I'll do that now |
| 16:41.13 | Sup3rkiddo | :P |
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| 16:42.26 | dcode | openmoko-devel? |
| 16:42.30 | dcode | is that the one I should ping? |
| 16:42.33 | cb22 | like mickey|zzZZzz :p |
| 16:42.47 | Qwell | hey, he finished dinner |
| 16:42.58 | cb22 | yeahm now he's sleeping forever :p |
| 16:43.03 | Qwell | slacker |
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| 16:59.10 | AzalynHD | april? really? :D |
| 16:59.13 | AzalynHD | can't wait. |
| 17:00.06 | ScaredyCat | lkssj |
| 17:00.09 | ScaredyCat | errm |
| 17:00.13 | ScaredyCat | possibly |
| 17:00.38 | summatusmentis | who all is gonna be mentors for GSoC? |
| 17:00.47 | AzalynHD | I'm planning to sell my phone to get one of these. |
| 17:00.59 | ScaredyCat | Ghostbusters |
| 17:01.13 | summatusmentis | no no, that's who I'm gonna call |
| 17:01.25 | ScaredyCat | summatusmentis: mickey|zzZZzz and Stefan ... |
| 17:01.37 | summatusmentis | XorA|gone I think said he might |
| 17:01.47 | ScaredyCat | don;t they have to be openmoko people... |
| 17:02.04 | ScaredyCat | XorA|gone would be useful... |
| 17:02.05 | AzalynHD | since the cad files were released, has anyone started working on alternative casings? |
| 17:02.37 | ScaredyCat | AzalynHD: dunno, I think the main problem was getting the cad files into a more open ormat |
| 17:02.53 | ScaredyCat | ie not having to spend $$$$ jst to read them |
| 17:03.07 | summatusmentis | dar god! I signed up for the community mailing list a couple of hours ago, and have 25 new mails |
| 17:03.12 | summatusmentis | s/dar/dear/ |
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| 17:03.23 | AzalynHD | hm |
| 17:03.36 | AzalynHD | would be nice to see some people making alternate cases. |
| 17:03.41 | AzalynHD | like maybe a flip phone design |
| 17:03.55 | Qwell | that would be a very large flip phone |
| 17:03.55 | summatusmentis | AzalynHD: I think it's really expensive to even start prototyping new casings |
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| 17:04.19 | ScaredyCat | you could try alumilite... |
| 17:04.40 | AzalynHD | Qwell: well, it's not that large, is it? |
| 17:05.00 | Qwell | well, I can't imagine the main board is small enough to be a feasible flip phone |
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| 17:05.49 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 17:07.00 | AzalynHD | maybe.. i guess it depends. |
| 17:07.00 | AzalynHD | even in it's current shape though it's nice. |
| 17:07.10 | AzalynHD | the only current concern i have on how easy i'll be to type on it. |
| 17:07.16 | srikar | I am interested in embedded linux , i want to do a mini projetc on it, i am doin my btech 2nd year in electronics.Where to start of wid the things related to embedded linux which suits my stream??? |
| 17:07.16 | AzalynHD | i have big hands |
| 17:07.46 | srikar | help me friends |
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| 17:08.23 | AzalynHD | srikar: I don't know about the other people here... but i'm not really understanding your english.. :| |
| 17:08.42 | srikar | oops |
| 17:08.46 | srikar | wait |
| 17:09.10 | ScaredyCat | oh crap, webkit compiling again :( |
| 17:10.00 | srikar | I am doin engineering in electronics stream , I am quite interested in embedded linux , where to start off??? |
| 17:10.37 | SpeedEvil | At teh begining! |
| 17:10.45 | SpeedEvil | #edev |
| 17:10.48 | SpeedEvil | #electronics |
| 17:11.00 | SpeedEvil | but what sort of embedded? |
| 17:11.34 | ScaredyCat | wrap / alix boards? |
| 17:11.59 | srikar | related to mobile phones such as moto rockzz which run on linux |
| 17:12.29 | srikar | *rockr |
| 17:12.46 | wurp2 | srikar: Do you have the FIC hardware (Neo phone)? |
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| 17:12.54 | srikar | no |
| 17:14.15 | srikar | any help/? |
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| 17:15.31 | wurp2 | I'm not sure what you would do at an embedded level if you don't have the hardware... |
| 17:15.47 | wurp2 | You can install the qemu environment and try to work on that, I suppose |
| 17:18.23 | wurp2 | I guess he didn't really want to know where to find instructions on setting up that environment... |
| 17:20.41 | thos | wurp2! |
| 17:20.48 | wurp2 | thos: Yessir |
| 17:20.56 | thos | wurp2, I replied to your mail! |
| 17:20.58 | wurp2 | Thanks for replying about the slow startup of the dailer |
| 17:21.14 | wurp2 | And for doing the legwork with the high level profiling! |
| 17:21.26 | wurp2 | s/dailer/dialer/ |
| 17:21.27 | thos | yeah, need to do that for other apps too |
| 17:21.30 | thos | it was really interesting |
| 17:21.41 | wurp2 | what is that registering call that takes forever? |
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| 17:22.16 | thos | wurp2, stock icons |
| 17:22.22 | thos | wurp2, I think I can remove it |
| 17:22.23 | wurp2 | loading them? |
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| 17:22.47 | wurp2 | that would be just super ;-) |
| 17:24.04 | wurp2 | I still think it makes sense to have basic phone functionality a part of the home app, but if it comes up in <.2 seconds I don't think anyone will care if it's not |
| 17:24.33 | wurp2 | and very few will probably care if it comes up in <.5 |
| 17:25.04 | wurp2 | And since I don't have time to make the change, no one should care what I think anyway :-) |
| 17:25.07 | Qwell | > 8s, as long as it works |
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| 17:25.51 | wurp2 | I dunno, it takes about 4.5 seconds on my neo, and it's borderline frustrating |
| 17:26.01 | Qwell | that's incoming calls, right? |
| 17:26.04 | wurp2 | of course, suspend/resume and cpufreq are much more important |
| 17:26.05 | wurp2 | nah |
| 17:26.09 | wurp2 | Just outgoing |
| 17:26.10 | Qwell | oh |
| 17:26.44 | wurp2 | I haven't tested to see how long incoming calls take (as compared with another cell phone, to try to eliminate network lag) |
| 17:27.15 | wurp2 | You touch the dialer button so you can start dialing a number, then wait 4.5 seconds for the dialpad to come up |
| 17:27.26 | ewon | yikes |
| 17:27.46 | edistar | wurp2: on the neo or in qemu? |
| 17:27.50 | wurp2 | but thos narrowed the majority of that down to one call, which he thinks he can just eliminate |
| 17:27.54 | wurp2 | on the neo itself |
| 17:27.59 | edistar | oh, not good |
| 17:28.03 | wurp2 | my qemu is too slow to contemplate using |
| 17:28.20 | edistar | mine is too.. |
| 17:28.25 | wurp2 | that's the 1973; I dunno nothin about the FreeRunner |
| 17:29.00 | Qwell | could always just preload the dialer, and keep it backgrounded... |
| 17:29.04 | edistar | wurp2: the FreeRunner gpu will make it just the same speed, not faster |
| 17:29.11 | edistar | Qwell: good idea |
| 17:29.13 | Qwell | seems like probably...99.9% of users would use it? |
| 17:29.34 | edistar | Qwell: who would use a dialer on a phone? :P |
| 17:29.41 | wurp2 | edistar: But I've heard rumors that FR is using that other graphic system, which implies lots of changes |
| 17:30.00 | edistar | wurp2: you mean efl etc.? |
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| 17:30.12 | edistar | wurp2: I hope it is, because otherwise everything will take ages to load |
| 17:30.13 | wurp2 | edistar: I think so... efl is not the part of it that stuck in my mind |
| 17:30.33 | wurp2 | Well, I think it's just a problem that hasn't bubbled to the top of the stack yet |
| 17:30.36 | edistar | wurp2: e17 + qtopia maybe? |
| 17:30.56 | wurp2 | edistar: Nah, there was one that someone was demoing, with lots of cool slide action |
| 17:31.10 | edistar | wurp2: ah, you mean emdetes ideas! underground? |
| 17:31.39 | wurp2 | Yeah, illume + efl |
| 17:31.50 | wurp2 | s/Yeah/No/ |
| 17:31.51 | wurp2 | ;-) |
| 17:32.04 | thos | illume hmmm |
| 17:32.05 | wurp2 | I liked what I saw in underground too, though |
| 17:32.15 | wurp2 | other than the minimal functionality that's currently available |
| 17:32.32 | edistar | wurp2: yeah.. ok |
| 17:32.44 | wurp2 | per Holger on planet, Illume is the new window manager for FR |
| 17:32.57 | edistar | illume is a e17 module |
| 17:33.06 | wurp2 | which as I said seems to imply lots of changes |
| 17:33.07 | edistar | s/a/an |
| 17:33.14 | edistar | wurp2: yes |
| 17:33.24 | wurp2 | edistar: It sounds as if you know lots more than I do about it |
| 17:33.25 | thos | edistar, you assume the gpu is on a bus that is not a 1980s throwback |
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| 17:33.56 | wurp2 | I had never heard of illume until raster started talking about it, and haven't really looked into it since then other than to see some snazzy demos |
| 17:34.18 | edistar | wurp2: do you run e17? you can compile it on your host and then run it.. it's quite funny ;) |
| 17:34.43 | thos | wurp2, performance on the gta02 is fairly diabolical right now, so I wouldn't worry about it too much any time soon |
| 17:35.23 | thos | Illume that is |
| 17:36.22 | edistar | heh |
| 17:36.40 | edistar | I hope raster can optimize efl so that it can use some of the accel features of the glamo |
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| 17:41.44 | wurp2 | edistar: Nope, I haven't tried e17 |
| 17:41.53 | wurp2 | I don't really know what it is :-) |
| 17:42.00 | thos | edistar, already have some accel features |
| 17:42.04 | thos | edistar, that's not the issue |
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| 17:42.20 | thos | edistar, the issue is the bus between the glamo chip and the main memory is super slow |
| 17:42.23 | edistar | wurp2: it is a window manager, like gnome or KDE, only much cooler and faster and completely different :P |
| 17:42.29 | wurp2 | heh |
| 17:42.32 | edistar | thos: I have heard |
| 17:42.41 | thos | and completely crap? :-) |
| 17:42.43 | thos | runs |
| 17:43.03 | wurp2 | thos: That sounds like a big issue.... does it mean a new hw revision of FR? |
| 17:43.18 | thos | wurp2, nope, it won't be changed |
| 17:43.23 | thos | it's been like this forever anywya |
| 17:43.27 | edistar | e17 is crap? it works here :) only crashed twice in about 3 weeks and it's only pre-alpha ;) |
| 17:43.40 | thos | edistar, who said crap == crash |
| 17:43.54 | edistar | the FR will be sold with the glamo... so workarounds are needed :) |
| 17:43.56 | thos | edistar, ever wondered why no major distro ships it as default? |
| 17:44.14 | edistar | thos: true again.. I like it, you may not like it, I permit you to have a different opinion :P |
| 17:44.18 | thos | edistar, you can't really work around a hardware bottle neck like that |
| 17:44.34 | thos | edistar, it's like trying to work around running your OS off a floppy disk |
| 17:44.54 | wurp2 | Does the glamo have memory onboard? |
| 17:44.55 | Qwell | hey, once it's loaded into ram... |
| 17:45.03 | edistar | thos: yeah.. but you can try to minimize traffic on the bus |
| 17:45.11 | thos | edistar, so, no pixmaps then, right :-) |
| 17:45.39 | thos | edistar, since E deals exclusively with pixmaps, that's going to be a little tricky |
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| 17:47.23 | edistar | thos: what else can you send the glamo except pixmaps? |
| 17:47.37 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03tick * r4261 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-gps/ (4 files in 2 dirs): implementation of GPS applet, for GTA02V05 |
| 17:47.49 | Qwell | ooo |
| 17:48.19 | edistar | thos: what else can you send the glamo except pixmaps? |
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| 17:48.41 | thos | edistar, well, it has some gles in it afaik |
| 17:48.57 | ScaredyCat | !! |
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| 17:49.02 | edistar | ah, ok.. that'll be hard with efl |
| 17:49.24 | thos | edistar, I won't pretend to understand the technical details, but from what I've tried it needs some serious work |
| 17:49.31 | thos | efl that is |
| 17:49.36 | thos | on gta02v5 |
| 17:49.45 | thos | even gtk+ is faster when scrolling |
| 17:49.46 | ScaredyCat | errm, wont all the apps need to be rewritten ? |
| 17:50.49 | thos | ScaredyCat, the plan is to use both toolkits for starters :-) |
| 17:51.32 | thos | great plan that is too |
| 17:51.34 | thos | MMM |
| 17:51.49 | ScaredyCat | hrmm.... |
| 17:52.06 | thos | ScaredyCat, when we release poky phone edition, you can use that :-) |
| 17:52.19 | ScaredyCat | poky ... |
| 17:52.26 | dcode | I posted to the list, but is there a particular person I should talk to (maybe the mentor) for porting OpenMoko to EZX phones for GSoc? |
| 17:52.50 | edistar | thos: have you tested efl vs gtk+ on the gta02? |
| 17:52.55 | thos | edistar, yes |
| 17:53.08 | edistar | thos: cool |
| 17:53.16 | edistar | thos: what about gta01? what's faster there? |
| 17:53.24 | thos | didn't try efl on gta01 |
| 17:53.28 | edistar | ok |
| 17:53.44 | thos | to be honest, i got so fed up with illume after a few hours I took it off :-) |
| 17:54.05 | ScaredyCat | slow? |
| 17:54.15 | thos | slow and confusing |
| 17:54.20 | ScaredyCat | or just not thos compatible? |
| 17:54.25 | thos | oh, also bad touch screen |
| 17:54.25 | ScaredyCat | :D |
| 17:54.36 | thos | it would only launch anything 1 tap in 1000 |
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| 17:54.46 | wurp2 | dcode: No one here, it looks like :-) |
| 17:54.50 | edistar | oh, doesn't sound that good |
| 17:55.15 | ScaredyCat | how long before poky is usable? I've seen some pics from aug 07.. |
| 17:55.19 | dcode | :-/ ah well...I'll just hang out and wait |
| 17:56.36 | edistar | dcode: mickey|zzZZzz maybe |
| 17:57.02 | wurp2 | dcode: What kind of info are you looking for? Just a mentor to help you put together a proposal? |
| 17:57.13 | wurp2 | Or do you plan to do it whether SoC accepts it or not? |
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| 17:57.36 | dcode | wurp2, yes....and also what would need to be done |
| 17:57.58 | dcode | I'm very interested in development for my phone...b/c I love the idea to just write some code to tweak how my address book works, or whatever |
| 17:58.10 | dcode | but currently, nothing really runs on it |
| 17:58.37 | wurp2 | dcode: You can start from the MokoMakefile or Toolchain page on wiki.openmoko.org to get a build going |
| 17:58.58 | thos | ScaredyCat, what do you mean usable? |
| 17:59.08 | ScaredyCat | as a phone |
| 17:59.10 | dcode | I was talking to ScaredyCat last night, and I guess I would need to extract the 2.4.x kernel from the Motorola image, since they haven't released the source for either of my phones yet |
| 17:59.10 | wurp2 | But of course you would need to modify the build config heavily to target your platform, and probably start off with some very basic stuff like getting a kernel & basic drivers going |
| 17:59.18 | thos | ScaredyCat, oh, that'd be when it has a dialer then |
| 17:59.19 | ScaredyCat | does it have a gsmd ?? |
| 17:59.36 | thos | ScaredyCat, that's why I said wait until poky phone edition ;-) |
| 17:59.40 | wurp2 | dcode: Isn't that illegal, for them to send you the binary of a linux kernel & not a way to get the soruce? |
| 17:59.43 | ScaredyCat | bah! |
| 17:59.46 | thos | ScaredyCat, adding gsmd + dialer wouldn't be much work |
| 17:59.50 | dcode | wurp2, yes....it is...but nothing has come of it yet |
| 18:00.03 | wurp2 | dcode: :-( |
| 18:00.04 | ScaredyCat | thos: I'll give you an hour ;) |
| 18:00.07 | dcode | exactly |
| 18:00.12 | thos | ScaredyCat, hah! |
| 18:00.33 | thos | ScaredyCat, well, what do you prefer, more features in openmoko-messages, or poky phone edition ;-) |
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| 18:00.37 | dcode | wurp2, a Dr. Rene Ejury posted on opensource.motorola.com on mar 16th threatening legal action if they don't release it soon |
| 18:00.46 | dcode | it's been well over a year sine they released the phone though |
| 18:00.51 | ScaredyCat | screw openmoko-messages ... :P |
| 18:01.01 | wurp2 | dcode: It would probably be faster to wait for them to release their kernel than port, I would think |
| 18:01.22 | dcode | wurp2, can OpenMoko run on 2.4.x? |
| 18:01.28 | wurp2 | dcode: By wait, I mean participate in holding their hand to the fire until they get legal |
| 18:01.38 | ScaredyCat | thos: sms is for young folks, can;t you use tinymail |
| 18:01.45 | dcode | I figured it would be possible to use the 2.4 kernel and run the OpenMoko software on top of it |
| 18:02.02 | wurp2 | dcode: nope, I don't think, but I think looking at their diffs from stock 2.4 kernel will probably be faster |
| 18:02.30 | wurp2 | dcode: I'm not sure what 2.6 features OM uses, but I've never seen it run on a kernel < 2.6 |
| 18:02.47 | wurp2 | dcode: Which doesn't necessarily mean much, I've only been looking at it for 3 or 4 months |
| 18:03.09 | dcode | wurp2, what is the current memory footprint of OM? EZX devices apparently have 48MB ram |
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| 18:03.44 | wurp2 | dcode: Not sure, sorry |
| 18:03.50 | dcode | np |
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| 18:04.12 | wurp2 | dcode: If I were at home I would check w/ ps -o rss, but I don't have neo networking set up at work |
| 18:04.22 | wurp2 | and I'm not doing all that stuff with the on screen kbd :-) |
| 18:04.28 | dcode | :) |
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| 18:04.45 | wurp2 | I should prolly work now :-) |
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| 18:06.11 | edistar | wurp2|working: have fun |
| 18:06.26 | edistar | wurp2|working: have fun |
| 18:06.29 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r99 10/trunk/software/pyneod/ (6 files): |
| 18:06.29 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: fixed varios names for otapi |
| 18:06.29 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: fixed a bug with timeout behavior |
| 18:07.16 | Kero | what's the status of gsmd? |
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| 18:15.14 | summatusmentis | edistar: I feel like mickey|zzZZzz is being made to be the go to person for everything GSoC |
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| 18:17.18 | ScaredyCat | wtf! |
| 18:17.19 | ScaredyCat | what's gpsd doing in there again! |
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| 18:17.35 | edistar | summatusmentis: yeah :P |
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| 18:35.48 | ranjan | hi everybody |
| 18:36.12 | ranjan | is there a mentor for bluetooth remote for mythtv |
| 18:36.44 | ranjan | i want to pursue this project in GSoC |
| 18:37.13 | ranjan | and would like to discuss with a possible mentor |
| 18:37.38 | summatusmentis | ranjan: I don't know who mentors are exactly, I think it's still sort of up in the air |
| 18:38.55 | ranjan | so to whom should I talk to |
| 18:39.16 | ranjan | they have not given at their ideas webpage |
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| 18:39.54 | ranjan | but during applying as an organization the mentors were decided too |
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| 18:52.13 | ScaredyCat | mickey|zzZZzz and stefan iirc... |
| 18:52.33 | ScaredyCat | there really should be some extra info on that GSoc page |
| 18:54.52 | summatusmentis | I think the issue is there's not a concrete set of mentors( I assume that's what you're using) |
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| 19:09.24 | ScaredyCat | concrete? moi? |
| 19:09.50 | summatusmentis | !logs |
| 19:09.51 | cdbot2 | Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at: |
| 19:09.52 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko |
| 19:09.53 | cdbot2 | Live-logs are available at |
| 19:09.55 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko.livelog |
| 19:09.57 | cdbot2 | See ?? help-logs for usage instructions |
| 19:10.00 | SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/concrete |
| 19:11.24 | ScaredyCat | Running task 2593 of 3907 |
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| 19:12.08 | SpeedEvil | how do I tell what task I'm on - if I'm not on the console? |
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| 19:15.54 | ScaredyCat | check the log? |
| 19:16.50 | SpeedEvil | which is where? |
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| 19:21.52 | anrp | thinks of looking around /proc/[0-9]*/fd/{1,2} |
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| 19:34.17 | Ghiottone_ | hi all |
| 19:34.25 | raster | ho! |
| 19:34.33 | Ghiottone_ | hello raster |
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| 19:34.35 | summatusmentis | hi Ghiottone_ |
| 19:35.09 | Ghiottone_ | I have recovered my Neo1973 from under some weeks dust |
| 19:35.23 | Ghiottone_ | where I can find latest image to test? |
| 19:35.53 | Ghiottone_ | maybe some with illume? |
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| 19:43.42 | ScaredyCat | does anyone know if amazon have problems with cc's that have 3d-auth ? |
| 19:44.41 | SpeedEvil | ScaredyCat: do you have one? |
| 19:44.51 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 19:44.58 | SpeedEvil | ScaredyCat: you could buy something off my wishlist, and I'll tell you if it arrives :) |
| 19:45.09 | SpeedEvil | If it's widespread, I can't imagine they'd have problems. |
| 19:45.10 | ScaredyCat | I could. |
| 19:45.15 | SpeedEvil | They seem quite cluefull IME. |
| 19:45.24 | ScaredyCat | well, it'll be mandatory very very shortly |
| 19:45.26 | summatusmentis | what is 3d-auth? |
| 19:45.26 | SpeedEvil | Apart from the bogus patents. |
| 19:45.47 | summatusmentis | 3 dimensional authorization? |
| 19:46.13 | ScaredyCat | summatusmentis: they basically make you sign up with your card , a spassword and a phrase... |
| 19:46.14 | SpeedEvil | summatusmentis: you have to use a dance-dance-revolution pad to enter your PIN. |
| 19:46.23 | anrp | full combo |
| 19:46.25 | anrp | ! |
| 19:46.28 | ScaredyCat | the cc compnaies that is |
| 19:46.34 | ScaredyCat | going to be required for all CNP stuff |
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| 19:46.57 | ScaredyCat | oh crap... what about my freerunner |
| 19:47.01 | ScaredyCat | noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! |
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| 19:49.13 | summatusmentis | I don't know what CNP is then :) |
| 19:49.15 | summatusmentis | no worries |
| 19:51.05 | ScaredyCat | customer not present |
| 19:51.26 | anrp | card |
| 19:54.21 | Ghiottone_ | what is the state of the latest u-boot for gta01v4? |
| 19:54.52 | ScaredyCat | anrp: hopefully the same thing :) |
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| 19:56.02 | CM | ScaredyCat: Does avahi build for you? |
| 19:56.49 | Ghiottone__ | back. damn web clients |
| 19:56.52 | Ghiottone__ | hey CM! |
| 19:57.03 | CM | Ghiottone__: Hey there, how are things? :) |
| 19:57.43 | CM | cleans out build/tmp again |
| 19:57.57 | Ghiottone__ | really busy with new job. but fine thanks! and you? |
| 19:58.21 | CM | Same here, next week is the last week on this intense assignment |
| 19:58.32 | CM | Always much to do before release :) |
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| 19:59.28 | Ghiottone__ | :) |
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| 20:00.48 | CM | scans the wiki for the current "make update" command |
| 20:01.31 | Ghiottone__ | CM: I was trying to tune the openmoko search engine a few days ago but it seems that the interface is somewhat broken. Did you have a look recently? |
| 20:02.12 | CM | Ghiottone__: No, I've used it but not touched anything in it |
| 20:02.20 | CM | Maybe google is up to something |
| 20:04.04 | Ghiottone__ | maybe |
| 20:04.10 | wurp2|working | My neo keeps losing its gsm connection, but it still shows connected |
| 20:04.29 | ScaredyCat | CM: checking |
| 20:04.37 | ScaredyCat | any idea what task number? |
| 20:04.41 | Ghiottone__ | I'll try again soon and report if it's still broken |
| 20:04.48 | wurp2|working | Are other people having that problem? Does anyone know a solution other than to have some process periodically check the cxn, shut down gsm, & restart it? |
| 20:05.19 | wurp2|working | (I mean obviously I could try to go fix the real issue, but I don't think I have the time to get the expertise + fix it) |
| 20:05.54 | CM | ScaredyCat: Yes, 1253 |
| 20:06.14 | CM | I suspect there's something broken left in my tmp |
| 20:06.21 | CM | So I've just cleaned all of it out |
| 20:06.35 | ScaredyCat | oh, I'm way past that |
| 20:06.44 | SpeedEvil | 176... |
| 20:06.54 | CM | Will try another fresh build tomorrow then |
| 20:07.23 | CM | Is update-mtn the latest? |
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| 20:29.05 | ScaredyCat | when did you update... |
| 20:29.34 | ScaredyCat | XorA|gone cocked up and truncated the db... so we had to wait for a bit, that was v early this morning |
| 20:30.18 | ScaredyCat | only another 800 odd tasks to go |
| 20:30.21 | ScaredyCat | :// |
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| 20:33.11 | ScaredyCat | [2008-03-27 07:10:35] <XorA> seems to be fixed now |
| 20:33.11 | ScaredyCat | [2008-03-27 07:10:44] * XorA makes the GO GO GO shouts |
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| 20:42.01 | ScaredyCat | moo! |
| 20:44.00 | ScaredyCat | has the e stuff been fixed ? |
| 20:44.40 | ScaredyCat | is there anybody there...there...there...there...there... |
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| 20:45.43 | raster | no |
| 20:45.45 | raster | i ate them |
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| 20:47.12 | ScaredyCat | are you typing on that new keypad? |
| 20:47.22 | ScaredyCat | ducks |
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| 20:53.29 | ScaredyCat | refreshed now mickeyl? |
| 20:53.30 | CM | ScaredyCat: I updated after that this morning |
| 20:53.35 | ScaredyCat | all that sleeping |
| 20:53.43 | CM | But with what update command? update-mtn |
| 20:53.51 | CM | Or do I need update-om/oe also? |
| 20:53.55 | ScaredyCat | CM: ahh ok.. and your machine is building slower than my laptop? |
| 20:54.00 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: hey, not to bother you, I submitted my application last night, and if there's anything I can do to make it better before it goes into 'mentor review' mode, I'd like to know about that(doesn't have to be you providing feedback either) |
| 20:54.09 | ScaredyCat | did you do the switch to om CM ? |
| 20:54.10 | CM | No, it crashed on avahi while I was at work |
| 20:54.12 | CM | Yes |
| 20:54.29 | CM | Did that yesterday, tried rwhitby's makefile |
| 20:54.43 | ScaredyCat | ok, and you've updated you makefile today? |
| 20:54.50 | ScaredyCat | your |
| 20:55.29 | ScaredyCat | pokes CM |
| 20:55.43 | mickeyl | ScaredyCat: yes, E has been fixed |
| 20:55.51 | mickeyl | although it's fixed at 20080310 now |
| 20:56.00 | CM | ScaredyCat: Yes, again this morning |
| 20:56.00 | mickeyl | since 20080311 they broke it |
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| 20:56.05 | ScaredyCat | ahhh ok |
| 20:56.08 | ScaredyCat | good stuff |
| 20:56.08 | mickeyl | they reverted to manual pkgconfig detection which no longer works |
| 20:56.09 | ScaredyCat | ta |
| 20:56.13 | CM | has a gf with a flu hanging on the shoulder |
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| 20:56.16 | ScaredyCat | :( |
| 20:56.16 | mickeyl | so we stay with 20080310 for the time being |
| 20:56.23 | mickeyl | CM: that sucks ;) |
| 20:56.29 | ScaredyCat | send her to bed CM |
| 20:56.57 | CM | ScaredyCat: Hehe, just did (that's why I dare to type this.. ;) |
| 20:56.57 | ScaredyCat | ok, no problem, so long as I can buld the image I'm happy mickeyl |
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| 20:57.02 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 20:57.42 | ScaredyCat | btw mickeyl, we're getting a lot of questions about who are mentors for GSoC ... is there somewhere we can point people with this official info... |
| 20:58.19 | ScaredyCat | we're trying our best to point people in the right direction, but it really should be made clear ... |
| 20:58.22 | raster | ScaredyCat: no. that would imply i need it on my desktop |
| 20:58.26 | ScaredyCat | they are students after all... |
| 20:58.32 | CM | Daniel Willman answered some on the mailinglist I think.. |
| 20:58.49 | mickeyl | ScaredyCat: actually it is irrelevant |
| 20:58.59 | ScaredyCat | is it..? |
| 20:59.00 | ScaredyCat | mmm |
| 20:59.06 | mickeyl | people should focus on improving their application in soc |
| 20:59.11 | mickeyl | based on the mentors comments |
| 20:59.22 | mickeyl | not bugging potential mentors in between |
| 20:59.26 | mickeyl | that's more effective... |
| 20:59.44 | ScaredyCat | aren't mentors supposed to help with the application too ? |
| 21:00.03 | CM | I think there's still a lot of people who don't really know what GSoC really is or how to proceed |
| 21:00.04 | mickeyl | yes, when the program actually starts, then mentors are assigned to applications |
| 21:00.07 | ScaredyCat | <---- doesn't know, is just asking |
| 21:00.13 | CM | Is there a nice wiki page for it? :) |
| 21:00.19 | mickeyl | sure there is |
| 21:00.24 | mickeyl | lots of FAQs @ google interface |
| 21:00.31 | mickeyl | mentor faq and student faq |
| 21:00.39 | CM | Great |
| 21:00.46 | ScaredyCat | I think that's the problem.. the application process seems to be some sort of filter mechanism... |
| 21:01.13 | mickeyl | sort of, yes. |
| 21:01.25 | mickeyl | gsoc is about self initiative at first |
| 21:02.19 | ScaredyCat | ahh, so it's not only my age that rules me out then ;) |
| 21:02.37 | CM | ~thank abraxa__ for starting http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Summer_of_code |
| 21:02.37 | apt | CM: my pleasure |
| 21:03.06 | thos | mickeyl, did you see the graph I posted to openmoko-devel yesterday? |
| 21:03.13 | mickeyl | sure thing |
| 21:03.18 | mickeyl | moko_stock_register sucks 1 second? |
| 21:03.29 | wurp2|working | One second on a PC |
| 21:03.30 | ScaredyCat | CM: lol - FAIL |
| 21:03.37 | wurp2|working | I'll bet it's more on a 1973 |
| 21:03.41 | CM | ~fish ScaredyCat |
| 21:03.42 | apt | ACTION slaps ScaredyCat around with a large trout |
| 21:03.43 | raynet | today i made my first call with my Neo |
| 21:03.46 | CM | Yes.. :( |
| 21:03.57 | raynet | with audio |
| 21:04.04 | ScaredyCat | what! |
| 21:04.05 | wurp2|working | Given that the dialpad takes 4.5 seconds to start up, and on that graph everything else is insignificant compared to moko_stock_register |
| 21:04.10 | ScaredyCat | where have you been! |
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| 21:04.21 | ScaredyCat | it's been working for ages now.. |
| 21:04.24 | raynet | i know |
| 21:04.33 | wurp2|working | ScaredyCat: Well, sort of working |
| 21:04.34 | raynet | i just been busy with other stuff |
| 21:04.50 | wurp2|working | Over time I lose my gsm connection, although the display still says I'm on |
| 21:05.07 | wurp2|working | I think I'm gonna build another crutch app to monitor gsm & restart it when it loses connection |
| 21:05.09 | ScaredyCat | my phone has switched from roaming with tmobile to vodafone... |
| 21:06.33 | wurp2|working | re-lurks |
| 21:06.57 | CM | What is the status of the gps now? |
| 21:07.23 | CM | I've been unable to get usb-networking going, so I haven't been able to use gllin |
| 21:07.53 | CM | Gypsy looks like a nice thing. Is it used? |
| 21:08.05 | CM | OpenMoko is mentioned on their homepage.. |
| 21:08.11 | CM | http://gypsy.freedesktop.org/wiki/ |
| 21:08.16 | mickeyl | it looks like it will be a part of our middleware initiative |
| 21:08.23 | mickeyl | we're actually quite satisfied with its dbus interface |
| 21:08.31 | mickeyl | it just needs an udp listener to interface w/ gllin sanely |
| 21:08.34 | summatusmentis | middleware, woot woot! |
| 21:08.44 | CM | Oh, nice. Was a new release, 0.6 today :) |
| 21:09.31 | CM | mickeyl: Cool, thanks for the info |
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| 21:12.31 | playya | gypsy seems to be really cool |
| 21:13.38 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: reading the gypsy page it looks like that's exactly what we're trying to do, is that correct(with odeviced)? |
| 21:13.52 | summatusmentis | and as such, can we borrow extensively from their code? |
| 21:14.54 | mickeyl | hmm do they? |
| 21:14.59 | mickeyl | i thought gypsy is about location |
| 21:15.04 | mickeyl | gps, to be exact |
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| 21:15.27 | mickeyl | odeviced is about power management, idle timings, backlight, leds, display locking, etc. |
| 21:16.23 | summatusmentis | well, yes, but the same premise(dbus framework, etc.) |
| 21:16.46 | `pwgen` | hello |
| 21:17.01 | CM | summatusmentis: You mean "Take a look at how they've structured it"? :) |
| 21:17.22 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 21:17.23 | summatusmentis | lol, basic concepts, yes |
| 21:17.35 | summatusmentis | I'm not looking at code right now, just explanantion on the site |
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| 21:18.16 | `pwgen` | is there a dbus api for playing ringtones ? |
| 21:19.10 | CM | `pwgen`: You mean to listen for incomming call events, and to send a "play this song" event on dbus? |
| 21:19.51 | mickeyl | `pwgen`: not yet. |
| 21:20.22 | `pwgen` | i am looking for an dbus function where i can start ringing and stop ringing ( + selectiong ringtone,intervall soundschema .... ) |
| 21:20.56 | mickeyl | yeah. something like this we want to have as eventd |
| 21:21.14 | `pwgen` | i have written a little dbus daemon that can play wav files , and can be stopped via dbus . but with my experimental dbus api |
| 21:21.43 | `pwgen` | the pyneod can only vibrate .. |
| 21:22.44 | mickeyl | cool. does it use pulseaudio? |
| 21:22.51 | `pwgen` | yes |
| 21:22.54 | `pwgen` | paplay |
| 21:23.59 | `pwgen` | it starts a thread, int threadloop i check vars and start playing in loops , but if the ringtone is too long it is playing while talking (:-(( |
| 21:25.21 | `pwgen` | i am looking fo some api to start better codeing. |
| 21:25.47 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 21:25.53 | mickeyl | for ringtones i think i'd prefer it to use gstreamer |
| 21:25.58 | mickeyl | this comes with all codecs already |
| 21:26.03 | mickeyl | and we can use space-saving mp3's or oggs |
| 21:26.04 | mickeyl | or sids |
| 21:26.05 | mickeyl | or mods |
| 21:27.14 | `pwgen` | ... next construction site for me ... how to use gstreamer with python ? .... |
| 21:27.31 | cb22 | AFAIK it has python binding |
| 21:27.36 | cb22 | bindings* |
| 21:27.55 | Qwell | it does |
| 21:28.46 | `pwgen` | good news ... by the way why has the MACHINE = "om-gta01" changed .... |
| 21:29.47 | mwester | :) Becasue Sean said so. |
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| 21:30.09 | cb22 | hey, mickeyl woke up :) |
| 21:32.47 | summatusmentis | `pwgen`: what did it change to? |
| 21:33.08 | cb22 | summatusmentis: it was fic-gta01, now its om-gta01 |
| 21:33.13 | summatusmentis | oh ok |
| 21:33.26 | summatusmentis | here I was thinking it got changed in preparation of gta02 |
| 21:34.01 | mickeyl | yep |
| 21:34.07 | mickeyl | gta02 manufacturer is actually Openmoko |
| 21:34.15 | mickeyl | no FIC printed on the case |
| 21:34.39 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: I thought he meant changed from MACHINE="om-gta01" to something else :-D |
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| 21:34.55 | raster | kein ficen |
| 21:35.23 | cb22 | raster: is it done yet? |
| 21:35.30 | mickeyl | raster: :D |
| 21:35.35 | playya | kein ficken? |
| 21:35.36 | raster | cb22: are your pants on? |
| 21:35.41 | summatusmentis | ick, not a big fan of german |
| 21:35.46 | summatusmentis | hard to learn |
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| 21:36.02 | raster | pfffts |
| 21:36.16 | raster | playya: well.. you may wish to say that. i did not. |
| 21:36.17 | raster | :) |
| 21:36.21 | raster | mickeyl: :) |
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| 21:36.34 | summatusmentis | maybe I'm just a stupid american, i don't know. Or maybe it was my german prof was just bad |
| 21:36.47 | cb22 | slaps summatusmentis with a metric stick |
| 21:37.21 | playya | raster, read iketenai-nippn - Nihonjin-n honto-no tokoro ? |
| 21:37.24 | summatusmentis | well, at least it's not as big as a ruler >_> |
| 21:37.43 | playya | s/nippn/nippon |
| 21:37.53 | cb22 | you left out your trailing slash |
| 21:38.40 | playya | s/s\/nippn\/nippon/s\/nippn\/nippon\/ |
| 21:38.54 | cb22 | you could just use a different delimeter |
| 21:39.05 | cb22 | like s|s/nippn/nippon|s/nippn/nippon/| |
| 21:39.12 | cb22 | :p |
| 21:39.19 | playya | ok |
| 21:40.18 | cb22 | i dont suppose anyone here has a gta01 nearby, that can connect to gprs, has mplayer installed, and they have a decent data plan? |
| 21:40.29 | ahven | hmm |
| 21:40.33 | ahven | no mplayer |
| 21:40.37 | ahven | but yes to other things |
| 21:40.38 | Daveman | :P |
| 21:40.55 | cb22 | wanna see if my video streaming will work :D |
| 21:41.19 | ahven | any instructions for mplayer install? |
| 21:41.26 | ahven | or packages |
| 21:42.03 | cb22 | ipkg install mplayer? |
| 21:42.42 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.43 | ahven | ahaa :P |
| 21:42.47 | ScaredyCat | I has a image! |
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| 21:45.40 | ahven | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 21:45.40 | ahven | rootfs 61.1M 60.4M 756.0k 99% / |
| 21:45.44 | ahven | cb22: url? :) |
| 21:45.50 | cb22 | hehe |
| 21:46.07 | cb22 | can you connect the moko to the web via gprs |
| 21:46.21 | ahven | just a sec.. |
| 21:46.43 | cb22 | and then: mplayer -framedrop http://cb22.za.net/videos/me.mkv |
| 21:47.04 | cb22 | (im not sure what options are needed, if anyone else knows that some magic is needed, please interject now) |
| 21:47.09 | playya | could i join on my pc too :D |
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| 21:47.31 | cb22 | playya: heh, feel free to. its a really low res video |
| 21:47.51 | raster | playya: ? |
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| 21:49.14 | playya | very nice book about japaneses and their caracteristics from a german guy who lives in tokio for years |
| 21:49.32 | playya | and also published in japan |
| 21:50.06 | thos | mickeyl, yeah apparently |
| 21:50.28 | thos | mickeyl, the stock icon code in gtk+ is rather nasty |
| 21:51.04 | thos | mickeyl, and I don't think we actually need it for dialer anyway |
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| 21:52.08 | ahven | wooo! |
| 21:52.19 | ahven | connection on retry #20?:P |
| 21:52.26 | cb22 | hehe |
| 21:52.45 | raster | playya: never read it. |
| 21:52.51 | ahven | oh wait, it failed getting an IP :P |
| 21:53.43 | playya | really cool. just want to know if you can commit this. thought about going to japan some time ago. |
| 21:54.29 | cb22 | smart people: i cant remember who, i think it was mjr, said that gta01/2 is gprs multislot class 12, which means it would be able to use different upload / download slot configurations. can you change this? ie, use 4+1 when you want and 1+4 when you want? |
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| 21:55.33 | raster | playya: can't commit - nor can i comment :) |
| 21:55.46 | thos | mickeyl, it'd be great to apply this profiling technique to openmoko-today though |
| 21:56.13 | thos | mickeyl, it's a shame we can't consolidate all these little tasks into a GSoC project |
| 21:56.27 | ahven | hmm.. |
| 21:56.31 | cb22 | openmoko would've been good for ghop |
| 21:56.38 | cb22 | lots of little things to do |
| 21:56.39 | ahven | cb22: can't remember how to stretch videos |
| 21:56.48 | ahven | small image in the center of the screen |
| 21:56.52 | ahven | but it is fluent |
| 21:56.52 | cb22 | ahven: yay :)) |
| 21:56.57 | cb22 | over gprs? |
| 21:57.11 | ahven | yep |
| 21:57.17 | cb22 | :D :D :D :D :D |
| 21:57.42 | mickeyl | thos: agreed. i'm actually a bit disappointed by the gsoc proposals |
| 21:57.51 | playya | it's about yakuza, swimming pools, ambulance, charges,... |
| 21:57.52 | mickeyl | we should not have had a wiki page with ideas |
| 21:58.00 | mickeyl | 90% are just picking one |
| 21:58.03 | mickeyl | not coming up with own ideas |
| 21:58.11 | mickeyl | of what _they_ would like to work on for some months |
| 21:58.33 | mickeyl | alas, google requires us to have a page with ideas. but this seems to limit peoples creativity :/ |
| 21:58.48 | cb22 | afaik the gta01 cant keep up if you scale it, but you can try adding -vf scale=320:240 |
| 21:59.04 | cb22 | it is h264 video after all |
| 21:59.22 | ahven | worth a try :) |
| 21:59.45 | cb22 | i'm happy that it plays via gprs fluently :) |
| 22:00.17 | wurp2|working | mickeyl: You should have just put one crappy idea on there ;-) |
| 22:00.22 | thos | mickeyl, another task would be to make all applications translatable |
| 22:00.23 | cb22 | nothing like 30kbit/s h264 video with 12kbit/s vorbis audio |
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| 22:02.05 | ahven | :) |
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| 22:02.27 | ahven | yup video started to slow down |
| 22:02.33 | ahven | when scaling |
| 22:03.23 | cb22 | yeah, i need to remember to remind XorA|gone tomorrow (today?) to give it a shot on the freerunner :) |
| 22:03.39 | raster | mickeyl: thats pretty normal. 90% of peolpe don't have a creative bone in their body :) |
| 22:04.08 | SpeedEvil | mplayer .... -vf scale -sws 4 |
| 22:04.13 | SpeedEvil | is scale fast badly |
| 22:05.52 | ahven | hmm.. |
| 22:06.00 | ahven | still a tiny screen in the center |
| 22:06.30 | SpeedEvil | but is it slightly larger tha before? |
| 22:06.40 | ahven | doesn't seem so |
| 22:06.50 | eugeneoden | anyone know how to resolve this problem when doing a "bitbake openmoko-devel-image"?: http://openmoko.pastebin.com/d341a4350 |
| 22:07.00 | `pwgen` | mickeyl: sample gtk-phone ..with foobar codeing style http://eric-weiss.de/trac/wiki/openmoko |
| 22:07.01 | mickeyl | raster: yea, seems so. glad you are one of the gifted ones :) |
| 22:07.33 | raster | mickeyl: nah - just i have the creative bone |
| 22:07.35 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 22:07.41 | cb22 | mickeyl: what are you talking about? raster's just a programmer :p |
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| 22:07.42 | raster | i dont want to just be taught the button to press |
| 22:07.42 | SpeedEvil | mplayer .... -vf scale=320:240 -sws 4 |
| 22:07.48 | raster | or chose from a b or c |
| 22:07.52 | raster | i want to create the button |
| 22:07.58 | raster | and create "d" |
| 22:08.01 | raster | as i doesn't exist |
| 22:08.02 | raster | :) |
| 22:08.08 | cb22 | i would say "e" |
| 22:08.13 | cb22 | but anyways :p |
| 22:08.19 | raster | hahahaha |
| 22:08.21 | raster | :-P |
| 22:08.49 | ahven | yay, no mplayer whining about slowdowns now |
| 22:08.51 | `pwgen` | *FG* om-gta01 .... OHMMMM |
| 22:09.11 | `pwgen` | eugeneoden: *FG* om-gta01 .... OHMMMM |
| 22:09.22 | ahven | cb22: is it supposed to have audio as well? |
| 22:09.27 | cb22 | ahven: yep |
| 22:09.31 | ahven | [AO_ALSA] alsa-lib: pcm_hw.c:1099:(snd_pcm_hw_open) open /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p failed: Device or resource busy |
| 22:09.37 | ahven | thats why I didn't hear any |
| 22:09.44 | cb22 | pulseaudio blocking you? |
| 22:10.20 | ahven | yep |
| 22:10.21 | eugeneoden | `pwgen`: thanks. should i update some docs? |
| 22:10.25 | ahven | killed it and have sound :) |
| 22:10.36 | cb22 | sweet :) |
| 22:10.58 | `pwgen` | ahven: lsof /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p gives pulseaudio |
| 22:11.16 | cb22 | now, i just need to get off my lazy ass, right down all the commands i used, and write the python transcoding server :p |
| 22:11.41 | cb22 | then, i need to write the openmoko part |
| 22:11.46 | ahven | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.46 | ahven | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:11.51 | ahven | avarage usage |
| 22:13.23 | cb22 | hmm, do you think the neo would be able to play 320x240, mpeg4 video, mp3 audio flv files at decent speeds? |
| 22:13.29 | cb22 | ie, unencoded youtube videos |
| 22:13.45 | ahven | possibly |
| 22:13.48 | edistar | cb22: what are you planning? |
| 22:14.03 | cb22 | edistar: openmoko youtube video player |
| 22:14.19 | edistar | cb22: cool... good idea |
| 22:14.46 | cb22 | edistar: but not just normal videos, you will also be able to run a transcoding server on your home adsl line, so you could watch videos via gprs |
| 22:15.30 | cb22 | ahven: btw, thanks a _huge_ amount for playing :) |
| 22:15.41 | Qwell | how does the iPhone do it? Surely youtube stores lower res versions already? |
| 22:15.50 | cb22 | yeah, but the iphone has edge |
| 22:16.28 | cb22 | gprs tops out at 80kb max, edge at 240kb |
| 22:16.52 | edistar | cb22: so you also make a script that enables private streaming from the home server to neo? |
| 22:16.57 | cb22 | yeah |
| 22:17.10 | edistar | cool |
| 22:17.27 | cb22 | (it will only really be useful if you have a good data plan though) |
| 22:17.37 | cb22 | if you pay $1 per meg, eh, not for you :p |
| 22:17.44 | ahven | 3GB is pretty much for GPRS :) |
| 22:18.01 | cb22 | ahven: add 2gb, and thats my limit for my adsl |
| 22:18.15 | ahven | ~6.5¤ per month |
| 22:18.30 | cb22 | $40 a month |
| 22:18.41 | ahven | ouch |
| 22:18.57 | cb22 | indeed :( |
| 22:19.45 | ahven | internet would cost me ~20¤...if I wouldn't work in an ISP company :) |
| 22:19.57 | jadams | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.04 | jadams | but I get 1.2MB/s down |
| 22:20.05 | wurp2|working | jadams: holy fuck |
| 22:20.12 | jadams | steady |
| 22:20.13 | wurp2|working | oh, that's better |
| 22:20.15 | jadams | yeah |
| 22:20.27 | jadams | I'm a principal at a software company, lead developer, so yeah |
| 22:20.30 | jadams | I needs mah pipe |
| 22:20.45 | ahven | don't have any real use for those speeds :) |
| 22:20.47 | cb22 | i have 0.5mbit/s :( |
| 22:21.00 | ahven | cool to have but not cool to pay for it :) |
| 22:21.08 | jadams | I have to push / pull GB to and from work regularly |
| 22:21.21 | jadams | oh, and my company pays for it...but that's basically the same as me paying for it |
| 22:21.23 | jadams | just pre-tax :) |
| 22:21.27 | wurp2|working | Well, I haven't hit anything that my 40MBps wasn't good enough for, except backups |
| 22:21.37 | wurp2|working | and they happen in the background, so who cares |
| 22:21.55 | ahven | jadams: yep, pre-tax is a good thing in overall :) |
| 22:21.59 | wurp2|working | same for me w/ my 40MB (my corp pays for it) |
| 22:23.01 | wurp2|working | but I still don't wanna pay $120 for it each month :-) |
| 22:23.19 | SpeedEvil | cbrake_away: it can play 'normal' VCD class 25-30FPS videos at most of full rate - without any optimisation. |
| 22:23.43 | ahven | strange |
| 22:23.48 | ahven | mplayer doesn't read my input.conf |
| 22:26.50 | ahven | ahaa |
| 22:26.54 | ahven | usr/etc |
| 22:27.15 | ahven | but still, the local .mplayer/input.conf is not parsed |
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| 22:31.07 | ahven | btw cb22, mplayer @ neo has already framedrop usage configured in |
| 22:31.10 | ahven | just a notice :) |
| 22:31.42 | cb22 | ah ok :) i dont have a neo, so i wouldnt know :( |
| 22:31.49 | cb22 | is it april yet? |
| 22:31.54 | ahven | almost |
| 22:32.29 | SpeedEvil | ponders the early-april tradition. |
| 22:33.18 | ahven | ah, simple usage for mplayer - 1 click = pause |
| 22:33.22 | ahven | doubleclick = quit |
| 22:33.24 | ahven | :) |
| 22:33.42 | ahven | if it starts to read from my configs, that is.. |
| 22:34.57 | ahven | works fine at my computer |
| 22:34.59 | playya | is no gui package manager available for OM? |
| 22:35.23 | ahven | there is |
| 22:35.51 | playya | ah great. not worked much with it because it is very slow in qemu |
| 22:35.55 | summatusmentis | does it work? |
| 22:36.09 | ahven | yep |
| 22:36.18 | ahven | though I prefer the shell :) |
| 22:36.19 | summatusmentis | wow, wanna port it to angstrom? |
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| 22:45.13 | ahven | yay, it works as I like it |
| 22:50.10 | ahven | hmm... |
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| 22:50.29 | ahven | does mplayer have _everything_ compiled into 1 binary, except configuration? |
| 22:50.45 | mjr | pretty much |
| 22:50.48 | mjr | mplayer sucks :] |
| 22:51.20 | ahven | what's better than it, then? :) |
| 22:51.39 | SpeedEvil | Clearly mjr just wrote a much better media player. |
| 22:51.50 | summatusmentis | lol |
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| 22:54.15 | raster | SpeedEvil: cool! another one of us :) |
| 22:55.07 | SpeedEvil | is actually writing a limited media player. |
| 22:55.52 | SpeedEvil | Though it's for ARM7. |
| 22:56.40 | raster | i wrote one for all architectures - i prefer to keep it usable everywhere :) |
| 22:56.51 | raster | why only arm7? |
| 22:57.13 | SpeedEvil | raster: It's $5 |
| 22:57.26 | raster | ummmmm |
| 22:57.34 | raster | as opposed to $4? |
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| 22:58.08 | SpeedEvil | raster: It turns out that to make a camera, I think I can use a camera module and 2 other commodity chips (including the CPU) |
| 22:58.55 | SpeedEvil | raster: of course, this means I need a JPEG compressor which works with 20K of RAM for 2MP - But fun. |
| 22:59.08 | SpeedEvil | (I have lots of slow RAM) |
| 22:59.36 | raster | mmm 20k |
| 23:00.49 | ahven | is there an easy way to force mplayer to play in mono? |
| 23:01.00 | SpeedEvil | ahven: I think not - other than a filter. |
| 23:01.16 | ahven | ah, with -af |
| 23:01.26 | ahven | but the cpu load would be the same |
| 23:01.57 | SpeedEvil | I suspect you'd need to write a special filter. |
| 23:02.04 | SpeedEvil | that goes from colorspace Y |
| 23:02.13 | SpeedEvil | V12 or whatever just to RGB (well - grey) |
| 23:03.12 | raster | or even better also ignores all u and v plane decoding to improve performance |
| 23:03.23 | raster | AND sets the screen to be in 8bpp paletted |
| 23:03.42 | raster | and sets up the plaette to match the y range in greyscale... |
| 23:03.59 | SpeedEvil | I was trying to avoid messing with the decoder |
| 23:04.11 | SpeedEvil | the right way is indeed to have a decoder that ignores color. |
| 23:04.20 | SpeedEvil | But then - in that case the right way is not to encode color. |
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| 23:05.54 | raster | hehehe |
| 23:06.25 | abraxa__ | SpeedEvil: I assume he meant "mono" as in "not stereo" ;) |
| 23:06.55 | ahven | yep, I'm still puzzled of this conversation :) |
| 23:06.58 | SpeedEvil | abraxa__: there you go. |
| 23:07.11 | SpeedEvil | abraxa__: you'll just get into trouble with that logic of yours. |
| 23:07.53 | abraxa__ | I'll take the risk. I need some thrill in my life. |
| 23:11.05 | ahven | hehe |
| 23:11.23 | ahven | it runs faster in stereo than in mono :P |
| 23:11.35 | ahven | video* |
| 23:11.41 | SpeedEvil | It's doing it wrong. |
| 23:12.14 | SpeedEvil | It's decoding the stereo, chopping off one channel, then expanding it back out to two probably. |
| 23:12.14 | ahven | probably yes |
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| 23:14.48 | SpeedEvil | wonders why xpdf opens the audio device. |
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| 23:57.29 | playya | i just wrote to community@lists.openmoko.org about 1 ago. it appears in my gmail send folder but not on the list. |
| 23:58.04 | playya | an i'm subscribed to the list. am i an idiot? |
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| 23:59.01 | abraxa_ | Depends |
| 23:59.17 | abraxa_ | If you wrote 1 second ago, I wouldn't worry ;) |
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| 23:59.29 | playya | 1 h. sorry |
| 23:59.44 | playya | and i wrote nothing about viagra |
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