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| 00:12.08 | quicksand | mwester (and djk_): I had similar errors on various -native packages for a while, and tried (to no avail) to debug it. |
| 00:12.27 | quicksand | What worked was (as usual) blowing away the tmp directory and rebuilding from scratch. |
| 00:12.40 | quicksand | (No big deal with a quad core, but YMMV) |
| 00:13.01 | quicksand | First post-annihilation build completed w/o errors. |
| 00:13.33 | quicksand | I don't know what changed in OE, if anything. |
| 00:14.42 | quicksand | (I had previously rebuilt from scratch earlier this month, following the OE staging ABI switch, so it's not that.) |
| 00:16.22 | rtm | Is anyone online familiar with editing the wiki pages? I'm trying to include an image on a newly created page. I'm using a tag <img src="filename"> but the tag does not get interpreted, it just shows up as a literal string. Any ideas about what I'm doing wrong? |
| 00:18.41 | abraxa__ | rtm: Your nick is very tempting to just quote it with an additional f, you know ;) |
| 00:18.51 | abraxa__ | When you edit a wiki page you always find a link to a handy reference |
| 00:19.36 | rtm | VERY nice! I never noticed that. And you are, of course right. |
| 00:19.53 | rtm | (about the nick) |
| 00:20.03 | abraxa__ | The link is called "Editing help" |
| 00:21.11 | rtm | Thanks - I had not noticed that link. |
| 00:21.33 | abraxa__ | No prob ;) |
| 00:22.19 | abraxa__ | Keep in mind that if you want to use images local to the wiki you need to upload them first |
| 00:22.51 | rtm | Yes, I can tell now from the help page I was completely mistaken - I thought I just needed to use HTML. |
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| 00:23.05 | abraxa__ | The page for that is named "upload file" and you can see it listed on the toolbox on the top left |
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| 00:26.33 | mwester | quicksand: :) Already tried that; this is a completely clean build synced up and started from nothing a few hours ago (ony a dual-core, so it takes a bit longer). |
| 00:28.09 | rtm | Hooray - my image shows up. Thanks again, abraxa! |
| 00:28.33 | abraxa__ | You're welcoe |
| 00:28.34 | abraxa__ | +m |
| 00:28.55 | quicksand | mwester: Gah, don't know what else to suggest then. You on bleeding-edge or OM? |
| 00:30.41 | abraxa__ | djk_: Just wondering - do you want to build the distro or merely develop an application? |
| 00:31.58 | mwester | quicksand: there is no more bleeding edge, it's all OM now. |
| 00:32.10 | mwester | So I'm on the "bleeding edge OM" I guess |
| 00:32.28 | quicksand | Wait, so mtn is always synced? |
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| 00:32.39 | mwester | I'm trying an older version of pulseaudio, just for grins. |
| 00:33.14 | mwester | quicksand: OM moved to a branch; so they are no longer developing on the OE branch. |
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| 00:35.36 | quicksand | mwester: I must have missed that. Should I be using a different address to update from? |
| 00:35.38 | djk_ | thanks for the replies abraxa and quicksand :) |
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| 00:36.10 | abraxa__ | Funny guy. I asked him a question. |
| 00:38.06 | mwester | quicksand: Instructions on the mailing list, they are multiple steps. Look for "Openmoko Monotone Changes" in the community, device-owners, and distro-devel OM lists. |
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| 00:41.33 | quicksand | mwester: I'll take a look, thanks. |
| 00:43.11 | quicksand | Ah, just yesterday. I feel a bit less uninformed now. |
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| 00:48.51 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4251 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/dialer/moko-history.c): |
| 00:48.51 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 2008-03-26 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com> |
| 00:48.51 | CIA-17 | openmoko: * src/dialer/moko-history.c: (create_new_contact_from_number), |
| 00:48.51 | CIA-17 | openmoko: (add_number_to_contact), (on_btn_save_clicked), |
| 00:48.51 | CIA-17 | openmoko: (btn_save_info_weak_notify), (on_save_clicked): |
| 00:48.55 | CIA-17 | openmoko: Implement "Add to Contact" from call log feature |
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| 01:16.57 | rtm | ***Shameless self-promotion alert*** I just posted a wiki page for my first openmoko application. It's called orrery, and it displays the night sky. I sure hope someone besides me runs it at least one, or I won't be able to claim to be an openmoko "developer" anymore. |
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| 01:18.44 | abraxa__ | Now if you had provided a link to the wiki page.... ;) |
| 01:18.49 | rwhitby | rtm: a promotional tip: always include a url :-) |
| 01:19.08 | SpeedEvil | rtyler: including satellites? |
| 01:19.10 | rtm | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Orrery |
| 01:19.13 | SpeedEvil | rtm: |
| 01:19.29 | SpeedEvil | silver isn't one I don't think |
| 01:19.30 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 01:19.38 | rtm | Most of all, I'd like suggestions for improvements. |
| 01:19.49 | SpeedEvil | rtm: does it do satellites? |
| 01:19.51 | abraxa__ | rtm: Looks good! |
| 01:20.10 | rtm | Not yet. It's very crude so far. |
| 01:20.23 | rtm | (satelites, that is). |
| 01:20.41 | abraxa__ | rtm: Maybe little name tags for the most important objects - i.e. planets |
| 01:21.29 | rtm | But it's a case where the full VGA display really helps. You need a lot of pixels to go down to 6.75 magnitude on a big chunk of the sky. |
| 01:21.45 | SpeedEvil | aliasing helps |
| 01:22.03 | rwhitby | rtm: have you ever seen the Planetarium PalmOS app? That would be my benchmark. http://www.aho.ch/pilotplanets/ |
| 01:22.06 | rtm | It doesn't have nametags for the planets yet, but it does display their symbols. |
| 01:22.19 | SpeedEvil | rtm: seen xephem? |
| 01:22.44 | rtm | Yes, I have the PalmOS Planetarium, and it puts my little program to shame. But I'm just getting started. |
| 01:22.44 | rwhitby | I wonder if there are bluetooth-enabled telescopes ... |
| 01:23.03 | rtm | Yes, there are bluetooth enabled telescopes. |
| 01:23.10 | rwhitby | rtm: is it going to be open source? |
| 01:23.49 | rtm | I've seen, and liked xephem. I think it is a bit too numerically intensive for an ARM with no floating point instructions, though. |
| 01:24.19 | SpeedEvil | remembers using it on a 486/75 |
| 01:24.21 | rtm | Of course it will be open source. Nothing would please me more than someone else playing with it. |
| 01:24.43 | ljp | how about tickling it? |
| 01:24.57 | rtm | Even a 486/75 would beat the neo on floating point, wouldn't it? |
| 01:25.00 | ljp | likes to tickle software |
| 01:25.09 | rwhitby | rtm: sounds like a winner to me - you have enough functionality there to put it up on projects.openmoko.org right now and get a developer community going around it ... |
| 01:25.16 | SpeedEvil | rtyler: not really typically |
| 01:25.21 | rtm | There are batery life issues involved in going CPU bound too, of course. |
| 01:25.22 | SpeedEvil | tmr: |
| 01:26.27 | mwester | Don't underestimate what you can do with careful application of fixed point and float on a device like the neo... |
| 01:27.05 | ljp | but its not like the old zaurus |
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| 02:24.20 | summatusmentis | the gsm modem is different than the gps chip right? |
| 02:24.30 | Aria | Yes. |
| 02:24.36 | Aria | GSM = phone, GPS = location |
| 02:25.01 | summatusmentis | so the gsm modem then provides calling functions, sms/mms functionality, data connection? |
| 02:25.04 | summatusmentis | is that it? |
| 02:25.41 | Aria | Yes. |
| 02:26.13 | summatusmentis | and as such, that's all $chosen_gsmd needs to provide? |
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| 02:32.26 | mwester | summatusmentis: There are many other things that people would *like* to do, but those are the basics. |
| 02:35.15 | summatusmentis | mwester: what else would people want $chosen_gsmd to do? |
| 02:36.01 | SpeedEvil | provide access to the raw data - not as audio - but as data. |
| 02:36.11 | SpeedEvil | mwester: but that's not possible with the current firmware. |
| 02:36.23 | SpeedEvil | summa: |
| 02:36.44 | SpeedEvil | (for normal voice calls) |
| 02:38.53 | summatusmentis | SpeedEvil: wait, what? |
| 02:39.34 | SpeedEvil | To allow for encryption - or transmission of data - over normal voice calls - which are often cheaper than proper data circuits. |
| 02:39.55 | SpeedEvil | For example, on many plans, they'd be in included minutes. |
| 02:39.55 | summatusmentis | oh, but not currently do-able? |
| 02:39.58 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 02:40.04 | summatusmentis | I see, that makes sense |
| 02:40.38 | summatusmentis | so, of the things that are currently do-able, the three things i listed are what $chosen_gsmd should do? |
| 02:40.53 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 02:41.06 | SpeedEvil | network managment too |
| 02:41.18 | mwester | I'd also mention that one needs a general control and management set of functions. |
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| 02:41.28 | mwester | The ability to power on/off, etc. |
| 02:41.29 | SpeedEvil | 'do you really want to make this call as we're currently roaming and it'll be ruinoously expensive' |
| 02:41.46 | summatusmentis | I see, hmm |
| 02:41.58 | mwester | and the ability to get information on what cell site you are using (a la the google maps functionality on some smartphones) |
| 02:42.23 | summatusmentis | are any of the current gsmd options close to this functionality? |
| 02:43.01 | mwester | There's a reasonable set of low-level management things in the gsmd. |
| 02:43.15 | summatusmentis | which one is 'the' gsmd? |
| 02:43.29 | summatusmentis | my understanding is that there are at least 4 |
| 02:43.37 | mwester | I'm referring to the one OM is including in the currently-built firmware |
| 02:44.37 | summatusmentis | do you know what it's called? I'm working on an application to provide a dbus API to gsmd, but mickey|dinner and others said the state of which gsmd was going to be used is in limbo |
| 02:49.25 | SpeedEvil | limbogsmd |
| 02:50.01 | summatusmentis | lol |
| 02:52.30 | vininim | well.. I think you can still hack encryption on top of gsm audio |
| 02:53.11 | vininim | (only between two freerunners(or compatible) using same crypto-software) |
| 02:53.23 | nibbler_de | SpeedEvil: it's generally not possible to use non-gsm audio in gsm networks as the usage of the voice codec is not optional in gsm networks |
| 02:56.30 | nibbler_de | as concerns roaming, i'd like to be able to distiguish between national and international roaming |
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| 02:58.19 | SpeedEvil | nibbo: sure - however going through 2 codecs - the ones on the network side where it converts to 8 bit 8Khz for over the PSTN - rather than 4 - 2 in each modem - it helps. |
| 02:59.50 | nibbler_de | what do you try to explain there? |
| 03:00.31 | SpeedEvil | The normal data path is: |
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| 03:01.50 | SpeedEvil | Voice input -> A/D -> GSM coder -> RF (with errors) -> GSM decoder -> 8 bit 8Khz -> PSTN -> GSM encoder -> RF (with errors) -> GSM decoder -> D/A -> analog voice out. |
| 03:02.22 | SpeedEvil | If you get access at the data side, you reduce that to: |
| 03:03.03 | SpeedEvil | knowndata in GSM format -> RF (with errors) -> GSM decoder -> 8bit 8Khz -> PSTN -> GSM encoder -> RF (with errors) -> data out |
| 03:03.53 | nibbler_de | what do you think you can gain? mind that there might be transcoding FR <-> EFR in-between |
| 03:04.44 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure. I was looking at the paper that I've annoyingly lost that got 1300bits/s over voice GSM |
| 03:04.49 | nibbler_de | and what do you mean with "8bit 8khz" - i was under the impression that voice is transcoded from the different flavours of gsm voice codecs, that being amr, efr, etc. to a/ulaw |
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| 03:05.18 | SpeedEvil | yes - u/a-law that goes over the PSTN to the other mobile network |
| 03:05.25 | nibbler_de | uhm - it's for sure not 1300bit/s |
| 03:05.26 | SpeedEvil | Or maybe even internally. |
| 03:05.33 | nibbler_de | it _can_ be 13,2k |
| 03:05.38 | SpeedEvil | nibbo: this was a nasty hack. |
| 03:05.55 | SpeedEvil | nibbler_de: data -> vocoder -> A/D |
| 03:06.07 | nibbler_de | but with the advent of amr the bitrate can vary |
| 03:06.12 | SpeedEvil | And voice recognition on the other end. |
| 03:06.37 | SpeedEvil | That actually managed to push 1300bits/s of data over the GSM codecs. |
| 03:06.48 | SpeedEvil | Over actual phones. |
| 03:07.00 | nibbler_de | 1300bit/s is less than a CSD channel, you are aware of this? |
| 03:07.03 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 03:07.11 | nibbler_de | there is no gain |
| 03:07.15 | SpeedEvil | However, data in many places is >> the cost of voice. |
| 03:07.53 | SpeedEvil | And there is in many places no data allowance - but a generous voice allowance. |
| 03:08.20 | nibbler_de | sure, quite reasonable too, a CSD channel is "more expensive" as concerns switching - you often have the same price also for a HSCSD channel (or rather multiple ones) |
| 03:08.46 | nibbler_de | so what you're trying to say is... let's have narrowband data over voice in gsm? |
| 03:09.01 | SpeedEvil | As an option - sure. |
| 03:09.24 | nibbler_de | ew |
| 03:09.35 | nibbler_de | that's ugly |
| 03:09.38 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 03:09.53 | SpeedEvil | Consider it also for stuff like vcards. |
| 03:09.53 | nibbler_de | how about ip over sms for people with sms-flat-rate contracts? ;) |
| 03:10.19 | SpeedEvil | exchanging contact information automatically, or website addresses, or ... |
| 03:10.33 | SpeedEvil | For actual bulk data - well - it's usually silly. |
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| 03:11.02 | SpeedEvil | But for map coordinates or web URLs, or short texts. |
| 03:11.32 | nibbler_de | uhm, why not use gprs for that? |
| 03:11.36 | nibbler_de | it's cheap |
| 03:11.45 | SpeedEvil | GPRS is comparatively expensive in many places. |
| 03:11.55 | SpeedEvil | And you can't use GPRS on a call. |
| 03:12.04 | nibbler_de | "on a call"? |
| 03:12.12 | nibbler_de | uhm - there are gsm modems that can |
| 03:12.14 | SpeedEvil | And there is no neat way to send a packet to a phone number. |
| 03:12.21 | SpeedEvil | Yes - but many cannot. |
| 03:13.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1299 has been created by john_lee(AT)openmoko.com |
| 03:13.02 | cdbot2 | * * cannot boot: svnr 4230, 4248 |
| 03:13.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1299 |
| 03:13.35 | SpeedEvil | As a simpest example - consider if I want to send a vcard at the end of a call, with my info. That's a second burst of extra voice call. Which is 'free'. |
| 03:14.41 | nibbler_de | well - you can do that with present mokos - just use inline-audio ;) |
| 03:14.58 | roh | SpeedEvil could be done. it one really wants when gprs is so cheap is anoter question |
| 03:15.14 | SpeedEvil | roh: but GPRS isn't tied to phone numbers. |
| 03:15.24 | roh | SpeedEvil but its really low bandwith and thus nothing for voice or bulk data |
| 03:15.43 | SpeedEvil | roh: I can't send a TCP packet to a phone number. |
| 03:15.45 | roh | could imagine a console session on 1000baud.. for chat.... |
| 03:15.53 | SpeedEvil | roh: and SMS suffer delays. |
| 03:15.59 | roh | SpeedEvil well... you can. |
| 03:16.07 | roh | there is still enum *ducks* |
| 03:16.36 | SpeedEvil | roh: this is for small bits of data - I'm at <click> - come and pick me up. |
| 03:16.48 | SpeedEvil | where click is 'send my gps info' |
| 03:16.50 | nibbler_de | slaps roh with a big "even denic doesn't care about enum, els they would maintain their dns infrastructure more properly"-sign |
| 03:17.22 | SpeedEvil | roh: where you want it to go along with the phone call. |
| 03:17.42 | roh | SpeedEvil in an environment where carriers start to wake up and say 'well.. we are a wireless isp' and gprs/3g flatrates are there... i see us online all the time soon |
| 03:17.45 | SpeedEvil | roh: or sharing your open diary appointmets with someone, so they can pick a slot. |
| 03:18.03 | SpeedEvil | roh: Sure you do. |
| 03:18.06 | SpeedEvil | roh: do they? |
| 03:18.08 | roh | we will minimize the usage of internet only to spare battery for later, not because it costs more money |
| 03:18.38 | SpeedEvil | roh: many GSM networks can't really do free unlimited data. |
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| 03:18.53 | SpeedEvil | As the network is congested in places. |
| 03:19.04 | roh | SpeedEvil to work in a 'inband' case people would have to use compatible devices. and i do not see everybody with a moko soon. so we have to think of something better, more generic |
| 03:19.17 | roh | which people could dock onto with other apps for other devices |
| 03:19.36 | SpeedEvil | roh: no we don't, not if it's a good feature IMO. |
| 03:19.58 | SpeedEvil | Sure I don't argue that interoperable features are good. |
| 03:20.24 | roh | noninteroperable features die a early and harsh death. even if the idea is good. |
| 03:20.43 | SpeedEvil | Unless they get copied. |
| 03:25.01 | SpeedEvil | Consider transflash - microSD. |
| 03:25.08 | roh | well.. i sometimes tell ideas i want to see done people i do know that will remember and tell others to make it happen when there is a gain ;) |
| 03:26.31 | SpeedEvil | Or the VGA connector. |
| 03:26.42 | SpeedEvil | floppy disks. |
| 03:27.00 | SpeedEvil | (specifically the IBM/PC interface of) |
| 03:27.09 | roh | so what? |
| 03:28.03 | roh | its not rocket science. its a hack. a hack neccessary because of politics of carrier sales and not because it couldn be done sane when engineered right from start |
| 03:28.19 | SpeedEvil | just examples of single sourced things that took off. |
| 03:28.47 | roh | engineered stuff. not hacks |
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| 03:29.00 | roh | hacks you can only establish 'clandestine' |
| 03:29.14 | SpeedEvil | ponders. |
| 03:29.26 | SpeedEvil | ID3 tags. |
| 03:30.06 | roh | yes. why did it work? because it was easy to replace software which handled that files with supportive one |
| 03:30.33 | roh | will be difficult in a world out there where it will take time to hace access to the audio signal from a selfbuilt app |
| 03:31.10 | SpeedEvil | But OM phones will be the majority come 2010, so that's not a problem. |
| 03:31.14 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 03:31.24 | roh | hrhr.. i do not like monocultures |
| 03:31.47 | roh | but i would like a culture of free and open devices to write code for |
| 03:32.02 | SpeedEvil | Even if every phone in the world shipped with OM - due to the nature - you're going to get people developing stuff for them. |
| 03:32.16 | SpeedEvil | forks of debian/slackware/ubuntu/... |
| 03:34.03 | SpeedEvil | even microsoft and symbian. |
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| 03:48.15 | summatusmentis | mickey|dinner is in bed huh? |
| 03:48.18 | summatusmentis | probably? |
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| 06:10.37 | mwester | Everything liking with avahi fails to build; cannot find libssp.so.0. |
| 06:11.12 | mwester | That library is in tmp/cross/... but probably needs to be in staging? |
| 06:11.23 | mwester | In any case, all new builds are broken. |
| 06:17.48 | vininim | wow... I thought nokia n8x00 were cellphones... that means one less competitor (now in my mind). =P |
| 06:18.12 | XorA | mwester: we are currently trying to work out why that is broken |
| 06:18.32 | XorA | mwester: its wierd as I dont see it break on my machine, but when I inspect libssp.la I see the broken values |
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| 06:27.55 | mwester | XorA: I copied the libs into staging, and the build continues now. |
| 06:31.01 | XorA | mwester: I dont suppose you know what generates libssp? |
| 06:31.28 | mwester | gcc? |
| 06:31.49 | mwester | It's in the cross directory, and appears in the gcc work directory. |
| 06:32.53 | XorA | mwester: cheeers |
| 06:32.54 | mwester | darn, my "grep" output that told me that has scrolled out of the buffer. |
| 06:35.10 | mwester | gcc-cross creates it. |
| 06:35.44 | mwester | (I knew I had that scribbled down somewhere :D) |
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| 06:44.34 | XorA | mwester: cheers |
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| 06:45.51 | XorA | hmm, interesting my OE.dev build tree doesnt have a libssp |
| 06:47.54 | mwester | I clobbered *everything*, then started over 24 hours ago. |
| 06:48.18 | mwester | I used rwhitby's new makefile (of course) to do the setup... |
| 06:48.32 | rwhitby | of course |
| 06:48.56 | XorA | thinks we shouldnt actually have a libssp |
| 06:48.57 | mwester | gcc-cross-4.1.2-r14 <----- specific version |
| 06:49.36 | mwester | avahi actually ends up with a "-lssp" on the link lines (from configure I expect)... |
| 06:50.16 | XorA | mwester: anyway I am doing a from scratch to see if I made change to fix |
| 06:50.30 | XorA | but this machine isnt as fast as my home build machine |
| 06:51.06 | mwester | Ok. I need sleep; I'll start a new build in about 6 hours too, and see if it's better. Strange stuff... |
| 06:51.27 | XorA | gcc-cross is scary shit |
| 06:52.00 | mwester | There is only one person who knows that deep dark magic. |
| 06:53.22 | XorA | pb_ :-) |
| 06:54.22 | methril | morning |
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| 07:04.03 | lunartear | where can i find specs on the GTA02? |
| 07:05.18 | elation | lunartear: Official status: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates" if I remember correct |
| 07:08.58 | XorA | yo mickeyl |
| 07:11.10 | lunartear | is the estimated price still around $400? |
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| 07:17.08 | lunartear | if so im gonna have to wait til it comes down |
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| 08:24.25 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 09:28.53 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4252 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (3 files in 2 dirs): openmoko-dialer2: unable to terminate call (bug#1239) |
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| 09:50.58 | ScaredyCat | kicks neod |
| 09:51.36 | XorA | waits for neod to fight back |
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| 09:53.25 | ScaredyCat | you'll be waiting a while... |
| 09:53.30 | ScaredyCat | useless lump.. |
| 09:53.40 | XorA | ScaredyCat: sounds like it is fighting now :-) |
| 09:53.50 | XorA | passive aggressive fighting |
| 09:53.53 | ScaredyCat | naa, it's just laying down and dying |
| 09:53.57 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 09:54.16 | ScaredyCat | wonders if anyone actually 'owns' noed ... |
| 09:54.52 | ScaredyCat | the X failure thing is definately noed trying to init sound... and screwing it up |
| 09:55.10 | ScaredyCat | it seems to be more and more frequesnt |
| 09:55.15 | ScaredyCat | frequent |
| 09:55.31 | XorA | erin does I think |
| 09:55.48 | XorA | sounds like for some reason pulse didnt finish init before neod starts |
| 09:55.56 | XorA | could you try putting a sleep in pulse recipe? |
| 09:56.20 | XorA | after pulse is started :-) |
| 09:56.20 | ScaredyCat | spose I could... |
| 09:56.31 | ScaredyCat | ahng |
| 09:56.34 | ScaredyCat | or hang |
| 09:58.43 | XorA | ScaredyCat: if you can prove/disprove that theory it would be great |
| 10:02.57 | ScaredyCat | well, 4 seconds isnt enough :/ |
| 10:03.27 | XorA | hmm, is pulse even running at all? |
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| 10:05.05 | mickeyl | "All module directories were populated by |
| 10:05.05 | mickeyl | the same module.so." |
| 10:05.07 | mickeyl | oooh |
| 10:05.16 | mickeyl | so that explains the corrupt stack |
| 10:05.19 | mickeyl | heh |
| 10:05.33 | mickeyl | and why i suddenly found myself in evas_image_saver_tiff |
| 10:05.41 | mickeyl | when i was supposed to be in the buffer_engine |
| 10:05.53 | mickeyl | myself being the PC |
| 10:06.13 | mickeyl | (program counter, that is) |
| 10:07.07 | ScaredyCat | 14 seconds might be enough |
| 10:07.54 | XorA | mickeyl: you watch Tron too many times |
| 10:08.08 | mickeyl | indeed |
| 10:08.14 | mickeyl | i have the extended edition on dvd |
| 10:08.20 | XorA | :-D |
| 10:08.30 | mickeyl | oh the good ole times... |
| 10:09.48 | XorA | mickeyl: reading my email then? |
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| 10:15.57 | ScaredyCat | 14 second failure |
| 10:15.57 | mickeyl | ya |
| 10:16.36 | ScaredyCat | root 1162 2.6 3.2 17884 4112 ? S<sl 09:50 0:12 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --no-cpu-limit --resample-method=trivial -D -nF /etc/pulse/session |
| 10:16.56 | XorA | blames mickeyl for dodgy init code then |
| 10:17.54 | mickeyl | ? |
| 10:18.00 | mickeyl | everything worked for months |
| 10:18.09 | mickeyl | what did you break this time? :D |
| 10:18.24 | XorA | avoids neod braking |
| 10:18.56 | mickeyl | * ScaredyCat wonders if anyone actually 'owns' noed ... |
| 10:19.01 | mickeyl | ScaredyCat: yes, me |
| 10:19.07 | elation | Is there a function, to spoof SMS in openmoko? |
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| 10:19.12 | mickeyl | ScaredyCat: what brings you to the conclusion, neod has anything to do with the X failure ? |
| 10:19.33 | elation | Spoof the "sender" to the viewer of openmoko |
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| 10:20.07 | thos | elation, why would you want to do that? |
| 10:20.25 | ScaredyCat | what, I'm not allowed wild accusations? |
| 10:20.33 | elation | thos: Private needs |
| 10:20.38 | mickeyl | ScaredyCat: :D |
| 10:20.41 | mickeyl | of course you are |
| 10:20.43 | mickeyl | but not against neod |
| 10:20.48 | mickeyl | poor little puppy |
| 10:20.50 | mickeyl | hugs neod |
| 10:20.55 | thos | elation, "Private needs" such as what? |
| 10:21.00 | ScaredyCat | hehe |
| 10:21.03 | ScaredyCat | ** (neod:1220): DEBUG: mainmenu sound state callback. state = 1 |
| 10:21.03 | ScaredyCat | ** (process:1220): DEBUG (recursed): sound init ok. threaded mainloop started |
| 10:21.03 | ScaredyCat | aborting... |
| 10:21.03 | ScaredyCat | ** (neod:1220): DEBUG: mainmenu sound state callback. state = 2 |
| 10:21.03 | ScaredyCat | run-parts: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/90xXWindowManager exited with return code 1006 |
| 10:21.26 | ScaredyCat | those lines are basically what you end up with when X fails to start.. |
| 10:21.35 | elation | thos: Generate a specific text, to be displayed. and spoof the sender. |
| 10:21.48 | ScaredyCat | (each and every) |
| 10:21.48 | elation | phone # 123457 "generated string" |
| 10:21.52 | mickeyl | interesting |
| 10:21.56 | thos | elation, why do you want to spoof the snder? |
| 10:21.59 | mickeyl | ScaredyCat: fic-gta01 with which images? |
| 10:22.21 | ScaredyCat | with my images and for kdean the official ones too |
| 10:22.23 | elation | thos: To play a trick on people ? |
| 10:22.33 | mickeyl | fun |
| 10:22.45 | mickeyl | ok, I'll build a current image and take a look |
| 10:22.55 | ScaredyCat | hugs mickeyl |
| 10:22.56 | thos | elation, well, then no |
| 10:23.18 | ScaredyCat | looks at neod with an evil grin |
| 10:23.25 | elation | thos: ? |
| 10:23.28 | elation | thos: What kind of moral answer is that? |
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| 10:23.58 | thos | elation, well, what kind of havoc could you create by spoofing text messages |
| 10:24.10 | thos | elation, and how would it be responsible for openmoko to include such a feature |
| 10:24.42 | ScaredyCat | you can't spoof that because your provider will override the 'from' data |
| 10:24.59 | ScaredyCat | unless you use a bulk service account |
| 10:25.42 | elation | ScaredyCat: I am talking about, when I read the message. |
| 10:26.39 | ScaredyCat | errm, the info displayed is what is in the message. |
| 10:26.49 | ScaredyCat | You can create a message and save it ... |
| 10:26.57 | ScaredyCat | with the info you want to 'read' |
| 10:27.23 | ScaredyCat | on the sim |
| 10:27.49 | ScaredyCat | or you can rewrite the sms routines... to read a message from a text file or something... |
| 10:29.37 | ahven | <mickeyl> ok, I'll build a current image and take a look << finally something :) |
| 10:30.07 | ScaredyCat | ahven: a few insults about his baby neod did the trick ;) |
| 10:30.21 | ahven | hehe |
| 10:30.21 | Xx13 | storing messages on the sim is a bit of an anachronism anyway |
| 10:30.39 | elation | What languages is the both concept based on ? |
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| 10:35.51 | TRIsoft | morning |
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| 10:38.56 | florian | hi TRIsoft |
| 10:40.10 | methril | mickeyl did you read my message in the oe channel? |
| 10:42.30 | mickeyl | yep. i'd say go ahead and come up with a proposal of what you'd like to do. then submit this via the gsoc interface |
| 10:42.51 | methril | ah!! ok, i missed that message :$ |
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| 10:45.18 | torpor | hiya gang |
| 10:45.23 | torpor | awakens |
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| 10:49.34 | torpor | whats news folks? |
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| 11:53.18 | spyre | mickeyl: gsmd2 now supports freesmartphone's dbus api, but there are a few methods I'd like to see added to freesmartphone's api |
| 11:53.32 | spyre | and clarification on most methods |
| 11:53.58 | mickeyl | ok, emdete and me are listening |
| 11:54.18 | mickeyl | emdete: (are you?) :) |
| 11:54.32 | spyre | ok, I'll look at my notes |
| 11:55.53 | spyre | Call.Initiate has a parameter called type, is that phonenumber or call type? |
| 11:56.31 | spyre | Call.GetStatus has a in parameter called status and out parameter called index, they should propably be reversed? |
| 11:57.06 | mickeyl | Initiate has number, type, id |
| 11:57.11 | mickeyl | number is the phonenumer |
| 11:57.24 | mickeyl | type is reserved for the future |
| 11:57.36 | mickeyl | we may want to use this method to initiate fax/data calls |
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| 11:58.00 | spyre | wouldn't it be better if data/fax would have their own interface? |
| 11:58.12 | mickeyl | yes, and they will |
| 11:58.27 | spyre | since call looks like it deals with voice calls |
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| 11:59.42 | mickeyl | agreed. my gut feeling says it might be handy to carry a type with, but ok, lets remove it |
| 12:00.07 | XorA | mickeyl: leave type as GSM might not always be the only way to call in future phones |
| 12:00.12 | XorA | mickeyl: video calls and the like |
| 12:00.32 | mickeyl | yeah, that's why i had it in mind. i don't want to grow the fs.org API into telepathy though |
| 12:00.51 | XorA | mickeyl: video calls already done on 3g just like normal calls |
| 12:00.56 | mickeyl | ah, interesting |
| 12:01.00 | XorA | mickeyl: I just press video button on my phone during a call |
| 12:01.01 | mickeyl | spyre: we should leave it there then |
| 12:01.16 | mickeyl | then again |
| 12:01.18 | XorA | mickeyl: I dont know how it works behind the scene |
| 12:01.19 | mickeyl | the prefix is called |
| 12:01.24 | mickeyl | org.freesmartphone.GSM.Call |
| 12:01.28 | mickeyl | so this really only refers to GSM calls |
| 12:01.47 | mickeyl | anyways, i think this is a minor details |
| 12:01.48 | XorA | mickeyl: ah fair enough, the type is explicit there already |
| 12:01.56 | mickeyl | yep |
| 12:02.02 | XorA | shuts up again |
| 12:02.06 | mickeyl | heh, no |
| 12:02.09 | mickeyl | please talk |
| 12:02.09 | mickeyl | :) |
| 12:02.57 | mickeyl | spyre: Call.GetStatus. Agreed. Changing it now |
| 12:04.26 | mickeyl | what next? |
| 12:05.41 | spyre | mickeyl: could you also add comments to arguments, even the self explanitory ones aswell? :) |
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| 12:06.10 | mickeyl | spyre: well, yes, that's planned, the problem is, i'm not yet sure how to enrich the xml spec |
| 12:06.27 | spyre | Call.Status, should status argument be int aswell? |
| 12:06.37 | emdete | if you look in the impl of pygsmd the name GSM moved to Phone... |
| 12:06.40 | mickeyl | i will probably just use html comments for now and then we'll see how to make this play nicely with doxygen etc. |
| 12:06.41 | spyre | and which status would you use if you are calling someone and they are busy? |
| 12:07.01 | mickeyl | emdete: uh oh, that makes it more complicated |
| 12:07.07 | spyre | mickeyl: Any comments is better than none :) |
| 12:07.11 | mickeyl | emdete: phone is very generic. i thought we want to restrict this to gsm |
| 12:07.33 | emdete | mickeyl: it's just step II towards the otapi where GSM is merged to one interface |
| 12:08.05 | emdete | i thought it this way: assume gsm is an object having different interfaces. one is phone |
| 12:08.07 | mickeyl | spyre: Call.Status should be string. this is dbus, it does not know about enums, so we better use friendly strings. the '0' and friends are from an earlier version :) |
| 12:08.40 | mickeyl | i remove the digits from the comment now |
| 12:08.54 | emdete | gsm has 2 more interfaces like sim-auth and network-select |
| 12:09.01 | spyre | mickeyl: Ok and just a clarification, I'm not begin critical, just making sure there are no errors :) |
| 12:09.08 | mickeyl | sure thing |
| 12:09.20 | emdete | next thing i thought was that even wlan could have these interfaces ... |
| 12:09.36 | spyre | how about GetStatus's arguments directions? |
| 12:09.37 | mickeyl | emdete: then you grow it into telepathy |
| 12:09.46 | thos | mickeyl, I was about to say the same thing ;-) |
| 12:09.48 | mickeyl | spyre: were wrong. swapped these |
| 12:09.57 | mickeyl | i really want to start simple here |
| 12:09.58 | mickeyl | gsm only |
| 12:10.01 | spyre | ok, I'll dig more comments |
| 12:10.04 | mickeyl | all the other stuff is really telepathy |
| 12:10.11 | emdete | i don't know enough about telepathy |
| 12:10.16 | mickeyl | take a look |
| 12:10.26 | mickeyl | it's probably what you have in mind for mid-term future |
| 12:10.32 | emdete | i would like to keep it very simple which as far as i heard telepathy is not |
| 12:11.08 | emdete | mickeyl: where is a good starting point to look at telepathy? remember i won't invest too much time |
| 12:11.17 | mickeyl | look at the dbus interface |
| 12:11.21 | mickeyl | google for telepathy dbus spec |
| 12:11.31 | mickeyl | or telepathy.org? |
| 12:11.35 | emdete | and: if you really like just support gsm then why so many different interfaces? |
| 12:11.43 | thos | http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/spec.html |
| 12:11.51 | thos | there's a link on fs.org too |
| 12:12.23 | spyre | mickeyl: Sms.SendMessage want_report argument, means that messagesent signal should be sent? |
| 12:12.25 | mickeyl | how to we signalize "line busy" |
| 12:12.52 | Robot101 | MembersChanged ([], [removed: the person you're calling], ..., REASON_BUSY) |
| 12:13.09 | mickeyl | spyre: no, want_report is this report-sms spec |
| 12:13.19 | emdete | is there a impl of telepathy? |
| 12:13.19 | mickeyl | spyre: you can request a delivery report from the network |
| 12:13.28 | Robot101 | the point of using telepathy would be to allow you to re-use the same calling/messaging UIs for non-GSM protocols :) |
| 12:13.30 | spyre | mickeyl: oh, ok |
| 12:13.50 | mickeyl | Robot101: no, i meant how do we signalize it in gsm 07.07 hence in fs.o API |
| 12:13.56 | mickeyl | i know how you do it in TP |
| 12:14.10 | thos | spyre, telepathy is already used in the Nokia internet tablets |
| 12:14.12 | mickeyl | spyre: the signal will be sent regardless |
| 12:14.32 | Robot101 | emdete: quite a few, yes. telepathy-gabble for XMPP, telepathy-haze for anything supported in libpurple (AIM, ICQ, Yahoo, etc), telepathy-idle for IRC, telepathy-salut for rendezvous/link-local XMPP, telepathy-butterfly for MSN... |
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| 12:14.56 | mickeyl | spyre: ah, found it. busy is signalized using "ReleaseCall" [success / reason] |
| 12:14.58 | emdete | Robot101: used where? |
| 12:15.37 | spyre | mickeyl: isn't that a bit confusing? |
| 12:15.51 | Robot101 | emdete: the Nokia internet tablets as thos mentioned, also the OLPC laptops, and we're working on the Empathy client for the GNOME desktop |
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| 12:16.30 | emdete | spyre: what are your ideas for muxing with gsmd2 ? |
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| 12:17.59 | spyre | emdete: gsmd2 has some workarounds for situations where muxing is not available |
| 12:18.02 | mickeyl | spyre: well, it's based around gsm 07.07. please include that in your RFCs, we can think about that |
| 12:18.14 | emdete | spyre: how that? |
| 12:18.32 | spyre | emdete: we have a command queue, and some commands can override others |
| 12:18.54 | spyre | (so you can hang up a call while there are other longer commands in the queue) |
| 12:18.59 | emdete | spyre: :D hm, i just thought of gprs.. |
| 12:19.22 | emdete | spyre: thats what pygsmd does by default... |
| 12:19.40 | spyre | emdete: we haven't got that far yet, we talked about it, but thought we'd deal with muxing once we get tehre |
| 12:20.06 | emdete | spyre: would you integrate it into gsmd2? |
| 12:20.48 | emdete | spyre: would it be complicate for u to use my muxer? |
| 12:21.31 | spyre | emdete: it is not up to me to decide (unless I do it in my freetime) |
| 12:21.57 | spyre | emdete: and I still have quite a lot of work to do with gsmd, but It'll be a priority |
| 12:24.17 | mickeyl | emdete's muxer works fine for the neo. |
| 12:24.25 | mickeyl | question is though how it behaves with other modems |
| 12:24.37 | mickeyl | we should take a look at qtopia's muxing |
| 12:25.09 | ScaredyCat | [2008-03-26 11:58:58] <XorA> mickeyl: leave type as GSM might not always be the only way to call in future phones |
| 12:25.21 | ScaredyCat | errm, you mean like sip etc ... |
| 12:25.49 | ScaredyCat | and rather than 'future phones' about, right now phones |
| 12:26.01 | XorA | ScaredyCat: nope, sip is a different place |
| 12:26.07 | ScaredyCat | why |
| 12:26.13 | ScaredyCat | just make it a call type |
| 12:26.25 | ScaredyCat | use the i/f to pick which type to use |
| 12:26.31 | XorA | wonders why libgsmd would control SIP, but hey ho |
| 12:26.49 | ScaredyCat | it's controlling 'dialing' |
| 12:27.18 | ScaredyCat | perhaps libcall |
| 12:28.06 | ScaredyCat | which would call libgsmd or libsipcall or libsomethingcall depending on what it is |
| 12:28.11 | ScaredyCat | I'll shut up then |
| 12:28.23 | XorA | wraps ScaredyCat in gaffa tape |
| 12:28.36 | XorA | ScaredyCat: there is already telepathy as high level stuff |
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| 12:28.58 | ScaredyCat | If i had telepathy I would't need to call people |
| 12:30.09 | ScaredyCat | mickeyl: any luck with the x issue? |
| 12:30.22 | mickeyl | build not finished yet |
| 12:30.25 | mickeyl | nor flashed |
| 12:30.26 | ScaredyCat | ! |
| 12:30.27 | mickeyl | nor tested :) |
| 12:30.38 | ScaredyCat | hehe |
| 12:30.51 | ScaredyCat | ^--- nervous laughter |
| 12:30.52 | mickeyl | NOTE: package glibc-2.5-r10: task do_populate_staging: started |
| 12:30.53 | mickeyl | ... |
| 12:31.00 | ScaredyCat | :( |
| 12:31.02 | XorA | looking at mailing list I feel lucky I work faster than arguments |
| 12:31.18 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 12:32.08 | ScaredyCat | ooo lots of email today |
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| 12:36.05 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: don't mean to be annoying, but I sent you an email w/ the link to my draft application, would you mind looking it over when you've got time? |
| 12:36.35 | mickeyl | yes. i will do that today |
| 12:37.24 | summatusmentis | alright, thanks :) it's shortish, because I don't really have a technical understanding of either dbus, or gsmd |
| 12:37.34 | ScaredyCat | giggles at the calculator image name... |
| 12:37.42 | ScaredyCat | "Calculating Machine.png" |
| 12:38.39 | mickeyl | sounds chinese |
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| 12:39.26 | ScaredyCat | sounds like a big ass machine! |
| 12:39.40 | ScaredyCat | with lots of cogs |
| 12:39.49 | ScaredyCat | whurring and clicking |
| 12:40.06 | ScaredyCat | Dr Theopolis' Calculating Machine |
| 12:40.10 | mickeyl | :D |
| 12:42.08 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4253 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/dialer/dialer-main.c): |
| 12:42.08 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 2008-03-26 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com> |
| 12:42.08 | CIA-17 | openmoko: * src/dialer/dialer-main.c: (main): Name the main window for use in |
| 12:42.08 | CIA-17 | openmoko: theming |
| 12:42.46 | emdete | mickeyl: the muxer already worked on a greenphone... |
| 12:43.00 | mickeyl | which modem is that? |
| 12:44.16 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4254 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/artwork/themes/openmoko-standard-2/gtk-2.0/openmoko-dialer: theme: set the dialer window background to black |
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| 12:45.22 | emdete | mickeyl: don't remember. |
| 12:45.42 | mickeyl | heh |
| 12:45.43 | mickeyl | ljp: ? |
| 12:48.06 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03werner * r4255 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/remap-vec.patch: |
| 12:48.06 | CIA-17 | openmoko: remap-vec.patch: |
| 12:48.06 | CIA-17 | openmoko: - board/neo1973/gta02/gta02.c (board_init): we always use the remapping on |
| 12:48.06 | CIA-17 | openmoko: GTA02, not only when booting from NOR |
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| 12:49.46 | jmichel | I have not been able to build an OM image in the last week. It's like if the build tools in "moko/build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/bin" were not accessible. Have someone seen this behavior? |
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| 12:50.41 | XorA | jmichel: new on me |
| 12:50.45 | XorA | jmichel: got logs? |
| 12:54.12 | jmichel | I just put the log in http://pastebin.ca/958039 |
| 12:58.09 | ScaredyCat | roflmao ! |
| 12:58.22 | ScaredyCat | "The objective is to make a notable change in the standard of living of |
| 12:58.22 | ScaredyCat |  People all around the Universe" |
| 12:58.31 | ScaredyCat | a lofty goal! |
| 12:59.28 | jmichel | XorA: If I add "moko/build/tmp/staging/x86_64-linux/bin" in my PATH it gets a little farther but then I get an error with autoconf as shown in http://pastebin.ca/958042 |
| 13:00.17 | ynezz | jmichel: I've seen that oe_sha256sum issue previously in #oe and I think, that the fix was to rfm -fr tmp/cache |
| 13:00.27 | ynezz | but I'm not sure |
| 13:01.54 | jmichel | ynezz: I erased completely my tmp folder and I still get the error |
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| 13:06.43 | ynezz | jmichel: hm, strange |
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| 13:09.48 | mathroc | yahaa! openmoko is booting on qemu :D |
| 13:12.46 | XorA | jmichel: Im puzzled |
| 13:13.04 | edistar_ | mathroc: coool ;) |
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| 13:14.47 | mathroc | I guess I just ti have to look on the wiki to get start ^^ |
| 13:15.26 | mathroc | first: get it connected with my pc and then get a shell |
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| 13:32.24 | mwester | Greetings |
| 13:33.00 | XorA | yo mwester image builds should work again |
| 13:33.11 | XorA | mwester: you need to nuke tmp/ though :-( |
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| 13:33.51 | mwester | hehe! :) I'm growing used to that. DW is out of town, I think I shall steal her quad-core Photoshop machine. |
| 13:34.00 | XorA | heh heh |
| 13:34.02 | mwester | Thanks. |
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| 13:50.54 | mwester | reads an email that confirms OM has PHBs just like every other company. |
| 13:51.21 | kdean06 | PHBs? |
| 13:51.22 | mwester | XorA: Like you don't have more important things to do than gratuitous name changes. |
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| 13:51.59 | mwester | PHB == Pointy-Haired Boss http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/ |
| 13:52.12 | kdean06 | Got it. :) |
| 13:52.13 | xcasex | mwester: link? |
| 13:52.24 | kdean06 | Yeah, I've seen thw writing on the wall. ;) |
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| 13:52.36 | xcasex | writing on the wall? |
| 13:52.40 | xcasex | whiskey tango foxtrot? |
| 13:53.04 | kdean06 | xcasex, Is that an American idiom? :p |
| 13:53.16 | kdean06 | writing on the wall... Hrm.. |
| 13:53.30 | xcasex | i'm swedish, learnt it in service down in the balkans, so it must be international :p |
| 13:53.56 | kdean06 | xcasex, No, I meant the term "writing on the wall". I didn't realize that it wasn't commonly understood. :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_writing_on_the_wall |
| 13:54.05 | xcasex | ah. the saying. |
| 13:55.27 | mwester | xcasex: lists.openmoko.org doesn't have the email yet; they're on the distro-devel mailing list. No big deal, just a name change from "fic-*" to "om-*" |
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| 13:56.00 | xcasex | mwester: aha |
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| 13:57.12 | kdean06 | mwester and xcasex - This one? http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/distro-devel/2008-March/000287.html |
| 13:57.47 | mwester | Yep. |
| 13:59.56 | xcasex | so we're dropping gta01 as a supported device as well eh? |
| 14:01.09 | mwester | No, I don't think that's the case at all. |
| 14:01.19 | buz | you mean it was ever supported :P |
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| 14:09.15 | XorA|gone | mwester: rename is done in OE.dev, Ill propgate it to openmoko tomorrow .tw time |
| 14:09.33 | XorA|gone | anyway I need food and sleep bye |
| 14:09.36 | mwester | Do you test by building oe.dev ? |
| 14:09.50 | XorA|gone | mwester: yes build is 95% complete with no errors |
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| 14:10.29 | mwester | Ah, ok. I was going to offer to do a test if it was easy to setup, but if you're almost done that's cool. |
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| 14:10.42 | XorA|gone | anyway really going to run, but thanks for the offer |
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| 14:17.30 | mathroc | I'm trying to write an application for the google summer of code, I look at an example provides by google and there is a lot of description in it. I want to work on the 'Accellerometers gestures library' but I don't know if I have enough information, I can't really think of how I would do it (either the programming language or I will manage my planning) |
| 14:17.56 | mathroc | do you think I can still submit this application ? |
| 14:18.37 | LuitvD | I guess they can always deny you... |
| 14:18.50 | LuitvD | if they don't think you'll be able to do it |
| 14:19.56 | LuitvD | will file an application too this time |
| 14:20.21 | LuitvD | (I wanted to apply last year, but I wasn't old enough XD ) |
| 14:22.58 | mathroc | ^^ I think I'll be able to do this kind of works, but I can't explain yet how I would it :s |
| 14:23.18 | masquerade | mathroc, that's probably okay, depending on who is rating the applications |
| 14:23.21 | cbrake | what component in OM contains the source for playing the touch "clicks" sound? |
| 14:23.44 | masquerade | I know that in previous years I've seen in the timeline that the Community Bonding Period is used as a time to learn the proper tools and backgruond knowledge to complete the task |
| 14:24.01 | masquerade | In fact, that's what 4 of my applications this year have said (I mentored last year, am a student this year) |
| 14:24.47 | mathroc | masquerade, ah ok, great, I will submit something soon I think :) |
| 14:24.53 | LuitvD | yay |
| 14:25.07 | LuitvD | starts to write the application |
| 14:25.14 | masquerade | Also, fwiw, I would say that you're probably gonna write something like that in C, as the speed will likely be important. |
| 14:25.34 | LuitvD | (I'll be more than driven to work on the EZX-related project) |
| 14:25.51 | ScaredyCat | thinks we should just chane names of things randomly... |
| 14:26.20 | masquerade | I'm thinking of submitting a proposal for doing Ambient Noise Detection and Speakerphone |
| 14:26.28 | mathroc | that's not a problem, I use C a lot in my studies or personnal projects |
| 14:26.33 | ScaredyCat | next week we can have om-fic-moko-open-gta01 and om-fic-moko-open-gt02 |
| 14:27.31 | mathroc | i'm leaving, I'll probably see you soon |
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| 14:30.14 | masquerade | Really cool use idea for the accelerometer. If the phone is detected to be falling, if there is anything like an sms or e-mail being worked on, quickly save it as a draft |
| 14:30.15 | spydon | l |
| 14:30.23 | masquerade | that way, when your battery pops out, you don't lose it all. :) |
| 14:30.38 | spydon | nice :P |
| 14:30.41 | ScaredyCat | .. I don; think I've read an email from Wolfgang that hasn't made sense... |
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| 14:31.27 | maroi | masquerade, haha nice idea ;) or pop out a parachute =) |
| 14:31.29 | ScaredyCat | although, I think his first response should have been 'WTF!' and then a slapping sound and a thud as Sean hit the floor |
| 14:31.51 | masquerade | maroi, or an all-around airbag. :) |
| 14:32.39 | ScaredyCat | XorA|gone: are you renameing in the wiki too... :P |
| 14:33.10 | masquerade | Hell, why not just have a chip installed in your head that communicates over bluetooth with the phone which receives a signal from your phone when its dropping and shocks your brain forcing your arm to move so rapidly that you catch the phone. :) |
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| 14:37.23 | zash | why not build the phone into your head |
| 14:38.31 | LuitvD | why not replace your head with a phone |
| 14:38.55 | zash | why not replace your phone with a head |
| 14:39.18 | LuitvD | same thing ... |
| 14:39.30 | masquerade | dude! |
| 14:39.32 | ScaredyCat | why not swallow your phone, with bt turned on... |
| 14:39.34 | masquerade | best idea ever. |
| 14:39.47 | masquerade | let's make realistic, head-shaped and sized cellphones |
| 14:39.56 | masquerade | when you have a conversation with someone, your head actually talks to you |
| 14:40.06 | LuitvD | ScaredyCat: that made me think of Family Guy :P |
| 14:40.07 | masquerade | moves its lips and all |
| 14:40.14 | maroi | with microphones in the ear and speakers in the mouth |
| 14:40.18 | ScaredyCat | :D |
| 14:40.46 | maroi | i think someone would buy that ;) |
| 14:41.26 | cb22 | peter griffin |
| 14:41.41 | LuitvD | exactly |
| 14:41.56 | Tanuva | one could become a perfect ventriloquist... |
| 14:43.01 | LuitvD | bbl |
| 14:43.05 | xcasex | dudes. the obvious solution is: optimus helmet w. built in phone. |
| 14:43.05 | ScaredyCat | [2008-03-26 14:08:04] <XorA|gone> mwester: rename is done in OE.dev, Ill propgate it to openmoko tomorrow .tw time |
| 14:43.07 | ScaredyCat | mmmmm |
| 14:43.10 | xcasex | how awesome wouldnt that be |
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| 14:43.28 | Tanuva | xcasex: already exists afaik |
| 14:43.40 | xcasex | optimus helmet yes, not with built in phone |
| 14:44.05 | Tanuva | helmet with phone too, but not an optimus one |
| 14:44.26 | Tanuva | so if one could press the two together hard enough... *fg* |
| 14:44.36 | ScaredyCat | with build in keyboard, with oleds for keys |
| 14:45.04 | xcasex | optimus.. prime.. |
| 14:45.13 | xcasex | FREEDOM IS THE RIGHT OF ALL SENTIENT BEINGS - optimus |
| 14:45.23 | xcasex | not "zomg blinkenlights" optimus |
| 14:45.35 | Tanuva | lol |
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| 14:45.40 | ScaredyCat | :( |
| 14:46.03 | xcasex | ScaredyCat: sometimes you're way too far off course for popculture references :( |
| 14:46.22 | ScaredyCat | is too old now |
| 14:46.35 | xcasex | i'm 27, how old are you? ;) |
| 14:47.07 | ScaredyCat | 40 |
| 14:47.13 | ScaredyCat | just |
| 14:47.18 | ScaredyCat | it's sad |
| 14:47.27 | ScaredyCat | starts sobbing |
| 14:47.35 | thos | more older == more better!!!11 |
| 14:47.56 | ScaredyCat | You know that picture, with the fat naked guy with the beard? |
| 14:47.59 | ScaredyCat | That's me.. |
| 14:48.14 | ScaredyCat | only less fat and no beard... |
| 14:48.31 | ScaredyCat | but I am naked... dancing |
| 14:48.33 | xcasex | aww come 'ere yuo ;) |
| 14:48.43 | xcasex | thos: btw. did you look at ScaredyCats theme? |
| 14:48.51 | ScaredyCat | he doesn't like it |
| 14:49.02 | ScaredyCat | it's not a 'real' theme |
| 14:49.05 | thos | xcasex, yes, it's default gtk with some pretty colours :-) |
| 14:49.24 | xcasex | aw come on. |
| 14:49.31 | thos | I created a completely flat theme based on the same colours |
| 14:49.34 | xcasex | ScaredyCat: base it on the "smooth" theme engine, he'll love that |
| 14:49.45 | thos | uh |
| 14:49.50 | thos | anyway |
| 14:50.03 | thos | I have a huge patch in my svn checkout |
| 14:50.08 | thos | to moko-gtk-engine |
| 14:50.16 | thos | which basically removes anything fancy at all |
| 14:50.20 | xcasex | O_o |
| 14:50.22 | thos | no gradients, no borders |
| 14:50.26 | ScaredyCat | black on black |
| 14:50.29 | xcasex | give us a look see |
| 14:50.53 | thos | xcasex, it's pretty much the same as ScaredyCat's, but without the really thin borders |
| 14:51.00 | xcasex | oic |
| 14:51.48 | mwester | Oooh - something that would be faster? |
| 14:52.19 | thos | well, X is fairly well optimised for painting solid rectangles, so yeah... |
| 14:53.16 | xcasex | lol |
| 14:53.32 | xcasex | you know what i'd love? |
| 14:53.47 | xcasex | being able to use the gta01 as something other than a sms gateway :p |
| 14:53.53 | mwester | Perfect - I like flat rectangles, especially if they move fast. :) |
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| 14:54.23 | ScaredyCat | what! |
| 14:54.37 | ScaredyCat | when the 02 comes out that's what my 01 will become! |
| 14:54.42 | ScaredyCat | smsd ftw! |
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| 14:57.02 | zash | xmppd + smsd = win? |
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| 14:59.39 | xcasex | == perversion of doom |
| 14:59.54 | xcasex | zash: are you dropping by the meetup tonight? |
| 15:00.12 | zash | si |
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| 15:01.18 | xcasex | zash: most excellent |
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| 15:03.55 | orospakr | What program running on the Neo is actually responsible for the screen locker (with the sliding logo)? |
| 15:04.28 | Paulie | hello, I'm a student interesed in some GSoC projects |
| 15:04.36 | ScaredyCat | orospakr: neod |
| 15:04.54 | orospakr | ScaredyCat, oh, neod is an X client? |
| 15:06.10 | summatusmentis | Paulie: they're all mine, you can't have any :D |
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| 15:06.37 | ScaredyCat | yes orospakr |
| 15:06.52 | orospakr | ScaredyCat, OK. thanks. :) |
| 15:07.01 | Paulie | summatusmentis: you can only participate to one project, so i'll give it a try :P |
| 15:07.11 | summatusmentis | lol, fair enough |
| 15:07.13 | ScaredyCat | openmoko/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/ |
| 15:07.18 | Paulie | but first of all i'll need some hardware |
| 15:07.20 | ScaredyCat | orospakr: ^^ |
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| 15:07.31 | orospakr | btw, has anyone successfully gotten d-feet on a laptop to talk to the d-bus daemon on the neo? |
| 15:07.41 | ScaredyCat | Paulie: emulator |
| 15:07.58 | summatusmentis | ScaredyCat: it's wicked slow(qemu-1973) |
| 15:08.12 | Paulie | is that ok for a SoC project ? |
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| 15:08.42 | Paulie | i'm meen I'm willing to buy some hardware |
| 15:08.45 | thos | summatusmentis, so is the actual device :-P |
| 15:09.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1300 has been created by andrew(AT)orospakr.ca |
| 15:09.02 | cdbot2 | * * Screen Locker should display useful information |
| 15:09.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1300 |
| 15:09.03 | ScaredyCat | Paulie: you can't buy the hardware atm |
| 15:09.22 | Paulie | ScaredyCat: that's too bad :( |
| 15:10.29 | ScaredyCat | if you are accpeted for it though, they have said that they will supply units |
| 15:10.30 | summatusmentis | thos: can't be nearly as slow. |
| 15:10.30 | summatusmentis | ScaredyCat: really?!? |
| 15:10.30 | summatusmentis | :-D |
| 15:10.30 | summatusmentis | probably not to everyone |
| 15:10.30 | ScaredyCat | although I think that's only for people not called summatusmentis |
| 15:10.38 | ScaredyCat | : |
| 15:10.39 | ScaredyCat | :P |
| 15:10.49 | other | all better now |
| 15:10.51 | wurp2|away | thos: My experience with the emulator was that it is orders of magnitude slower than the device. I mean, literally orders of magnitude. |
| 15:10.53 | ScaredyCat | there's a message about it on list somewhere... |
| 15:11.09 | ScaredyCat | depends on the host wurp2|away |
| 15:11.10 | wurp2|away | I'm guessing that there's some odd config issue that makes it much slower on some people's machines than others. |
| 15:11.20 | Paulie | ScaredyCat: that would be cool :D |
| 15:11.32 | Paulie | i'm interesed in the Ambient Noise Detection project |
| 15:11.37 | ScaredyCat | well, it's not up to me, I just read it... |
| 15:11.38 | summatusmentis | ScaredyCat: how recent? I assume you have to give the device back too |
| 15:11.45 | ScaredyCat | dunno.. |
| 15:11.59 | ScaredyCat | maybe that'd what they'll use those test run devices for |
| 15:12.20 | Paulie | are there any other students interested about it ? |
| 15:12.50 | ScaredyCat | yes, there are a few.. most seem to want to play with accelerometers, so at least you've chosen somethig different :D |
| 15:13.10 | Paulie | ScaredyCat: ok |
| 15:13.12 | ScaredyCat | get in touch with mickeyl ... I think he's the daddy |
| 15:13.17 | ScaredyCat | for Gsoc |
| 15:13.33 | SpeedEvil | damn - I should have gotten my GTA01 accel boards done. |
| 15:13.34 | Paulie | ok, I will |
| 15:13.48 | ScaredyCat | there's some talk on the mailing lists |
| 15:13.54 | ScaredyCat | you might want to chek that out too |
| 15:14.12 | ScaredyCat | http://lists.openmoko.org/mailman/listinfo/ |
| 15:14.18 | Paulie | is it mandatory to have used OpenMoko before ? |
| 15:14.19 | ScaredyCat | probably the community list |
| 15:14.25 | ScaredyCat | don;t think so |
| 15:15.02 | Paulie | I never used it but I saw the idea page and I' m very excited about it :) |
| 15:15.21 | ScaredyCat | Paulie: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2008 |
| 15:15.25 | ScaredyCat | that one? |
| 15:15.30 | summatusmentis | Paulie: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-March/014349.html |
| 15:15.39 | Tanuva | thats something im always wondering about: does a gsoc student have the time to get used to the code environment of the project? |
| 15:15.47 | Paulie | ScaredyCat: yep |
| 15:16.42 | summatusmentis | ScaredyCat: that's exciting! presumably we'd have to give the freerunners back at the end, but that'd still be awesome! |
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| 15:17.30 | Paulie | I wouldn't mind buying one :P |
| 15:17.40 | ScaredyCat | I don;t know tbh... I just thought that it might be an efficient use of the test units.. I hve no say in the matter... I'm a bot really. I just regurgitate stuff ;) |
| 15:17.55 | summatusmentis | lol |
| 15:18.33 | summatusmentis | Paulie: it looks like he says if they're not available for sale yet, students would get a dev unit, otherwise, I suppose they might supply sale-worthy units, but I don't really know |
| 15:19.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1301 has been created by andrew(AT)orospakr.ca |
| 15:19.02 | cdbot2 | * * Wrong keyboard displayed for phone number entry in Contacts |
| 15:19.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1301 |
| 15:19.50 | Paulie | summatusmentis: I'm still hopeing I'll own one someday |
| 15:20.03 | ScaredyCat | of course... |
| 15:20.16 | ScaredyCat | summer... implies post-April.... |
| 15:20.41 | Paulie | summatusmentis: what did you applyed for ? |
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| 15:20.55 | Paulie | I mean what project ? |
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| 15:25.40 | orospakr | heh, I'm on a bug-filing roll here. :) |
| 15:26.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1302 has been created by andrew(AT)orospakr.ca |
| 15:26.02 | cdbot2 | * * "1" and "0" characters missing from associated keys |
| 15:26.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1302 |
| 15:26.16 | ScaredyCat | as long as you'r enot filling rolls with bugs |
| 15:28.13 | summatusmentis | Paulie: it's not listed on the project site, but I want to build ophoned, w/ gsmd backend, dbus glue, and a standard API based on freesmartphone.org |
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| 15:29.26 | thos | xcasex, http://folks.o-hand.com/thomas/moko-gtk-engine-new.png |
| 15:29.49 | mwester | It still looks like it's doing gradients |
| 15:30.21 | thos | !! |
| 15:30.27 | thos | mwester, something is wrong with your screen then |
| 15:30.41 | mwester | Right at the top, the background to "Dialer" |
| 15:30.44 | thos | mwester, or are you talking about the titlebar |
| 15:30.46 | thos | oh |
| 15:30.52 | thos | well that doesn't count |
| 15:31.03 | mwester | That takes no CPU? |
| 15:31.19 | thos | mwester, it only gets drawn once |
| 15:31.21 | mwester | I love the dialer app look,though -- clean, crisp, professional. |
| 15:31.23 | Qwell | thos: nearly zero contrast there between the black and gray |
| 15:31.37 | Qwell | (I've got a nice glare on that monitor though) |
| 15:31.49 | thos | Qwell, depends how your screen is calibrated, but I would tend to agree |
| 15:31.52 | Qwell | ((but the neo would have glare too)) |
| 15:32.11 | thos | Qwell, on the neo I think there is more contrast (see ScaredyCat's earlier theme) |
| 15:32.48 | Qwell | that +, p, w, have got to go :p |
| 15:32.55 | Qwell | that'll confuse the hell out of people |
| 15:33.17 | thos | maybe p should go |
| 15:33.21 | thos | I think w works? |
| 15:33.25 | thos | or is it the other way round |
| 15:33.30 | thos | dunno, ask gsmd |
| 15:33.33 | Qwell | they all "work" |
| 15:33.47 | thos | what do they do? |
| 15:33.51 | thos | when you actually dial |
| 15:34.08 | Qwell | + is for international dial, no matter where you are. ie; you don't need to put 001 into the number |
| 15:34.09 | ScaredyCat | pause and wobble |
| 15:34.17 | Qwell | p is a pause, w...I forget what w does |
| 15:34.18 | ScaredyCat | 001? |
| 15:34.21 | ScaredyCat | 00 |
| 15:34.21 | Qwell | 011? |
| 15:34.40 | Qwell | I never dial int, so I forget the code :p |
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| 15:34.53 | Qwell | it varies by country though, so + is supposed to always work |
| 15:34.58 | ScaredyCat | 00 = i want international dialing 1 = international code for usa + canada (eh) |
| 15:35.06 | thos | Qwell, the dialer just sends the string to gsmd |
| 15:35.12 | Qwell | ScaredyCat: I'm talking from the US. |
| 15:35.14 | thos | Qwell, so I have no idea what gsmd does with it |
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| 15:35.21 | thos | Qwell, ie. if it recognises p or w or not |
| 15:35.25 | Qwell | it should |
| 15:35.30 | ScaredyCat | Qwell: then you wouldn;t dial 001 |
| 15:35.34 | ScaredyCat | muppet |
| 15:35.44 | ScaredyCat | actually you should |
| 15:35.47 | ScaredyCat | always |
| 15:35.59 | Qwell | 011 |
| 15:36.17 | ScaredyCat | so that when you go out of the us you can dial home etc with the same contact |
| 15:36.20 | zash | w = wait? |
| 15:36.29 | Qwell | oh! |
| 15:36.30 | ScaredyCat | 00<cc><num> |
| 15:36.31 | thos | zash, p = pause |
| 15:36.32 | Qwell | p = pulse, w = wait |
| 15:36.38 | thos | pulse? |
| 15:36.40 | Qwell | I think :p |
| 15:36.58 | thos | what does that do |
| 15:37.08 | Qwell | retro pulse dialing? |
| 15:37.13 | thos | haha |
| 15:37.13 | ScaredyCat | that's old wold dialing |
| 15:37.16 | ScaredyCat | world |
| 15:37.23 | ScaredyCat | not really relavant on gsm |
| 15:37.26 | thos | but surely gsm can't do that |
| 15:37.44 | ScaredyCat | !spell relevent |
| 15:37.49 | ScaredyCat | !relevant |
| 15:37.51 | Qwell | but anyways, not really useful to actually have those visible on the dialer |
| 15:37.53 | mwester | Well, just based on this discussion, one needs the manual to figure out what +,p,w do -- so maybe they shouldn't be on the dialer by default. |
| 15:37.54 | ScaredyCat | bah |
| 15:38.02 | Robot101 | p is a pause |
| 15:38.18 | Sup3rkiddo | guys, i just noticed, all bugzilla events are getting sent to me....did i enable something i shouldn't have? |
| 15:38.30 | mwester | Well, fix some of them! |
| 15:38.32 | ScaredyCat | Sup3rkiddo: they go to the mailing list |
| 15:38.59 | Sup3rkiddo | ScaredyCat, lol, yeah...didnt check the "From" field |
| 15:39.07 | Sup3rkiddo | mwester, :D |
| 15:39.44 | thos | mwester, + and p are fairly standard on mobile phones |
| 15:39.57 | ScaredyCat | w == p? |
| 15:40.02 | thos | mwester, if anything, I think w should go |
| 15:40.04 | Qwell | ScaredyCat: quite possibly |
| 15:40.21 | ScaredyCat | hahha! I found a new bug |
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| 15:42.15 | mwester | What would it look like with a thin white line on the right and bottom of each button? |
| 15:42.28 | mwester | Too cluttered? |
| 15:42.43 | zash | upsidedown? |
| 15:43.00 | mwester | :p |
| 15:43.06 | ScaredyCat | white liney? |
| 15:43.30 | mwester | Or maybe just lower the asterisk on the button to make it clear that the asterisk and + are the same buttom... |
| 15:43.39 | Qwell | oh |
| 15:43.49 | Qwell | p and w are pause and wait - but they are different |
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| 15:44.13 | Qwell | p is (usually) a 2 second pause, and wait will...wait. on some phones, you can put digits after the w, and the rest of the digits won't be sent until you hit talk again |
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| 15:45.25 | summatusmentis | are there public logs of this channel? |
| 15:45.42 | zash | ~log |
| 15:45.42 | apt | methinks log is as piece of wood, or a record, or the opposite of exponentiation |
| 15:45.49 | zash | ~logs |
| 15:45.50 | apt | rumour has it, logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
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| 15:50.20 | summatusmentis | zash: is there anything more current? |
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| 15:50.40 | zash | i think there is |
| 15:50.43 | XorA|gone | cdbot2: logs |
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| 15:51.09 | zash | check the wiki |
| 15:51.27 | Paulie | summatusmentis: your project seams interesting |
| 15:51.31 | summatusmentis | Sup3rkiddo: ScaredyCat yesterday seemed to think gsmd2 was a decent option, as qtmux/gsmd was easily extractable |
| 15:51.50 | summatusmentis | Paulie: it's currently in hardcore limbo, might not be able to pin it down until after the deadline :-/ |
| 15:52.02 | Paulie | summatusmentis: but did you see that last year OpenMoko only got 2 slots :( |
| 15:52.04 | Sup3rkiddo | nods in agreement |
| 15:52.04 | ScaredyCat | !logs |
| 15:52.06 | cdbot2 | Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at: |
| 15:52.07 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko |
| 15:52.08 | cdbot2 | Live-logs are available at |
| 15:52.09 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko.livelog |
| 15:52.11 | cdbot2 | See ?? help-logs for usage instructions |
| 15:52.15 | summatusmentis | Sup3rkiddo: sorry, not easily extractable |
| 15:52.30 | summatusmentis | ScaredyCat: thanks! |
| 15:53.43 | summatusmentis | Sup3rkiddo: the discussion w/ ixonos was in #openmoko? |
| 15:53.59 | summatusmentis | Paulie: yeah, I know. That's the issue. I don't know how google decides how many slots each project gets |
| 15:54.01 | Sup3rkiddo | yeah |
| 15:54.43 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, from what i asked around in #gsoc, the size of the communty is one of the main criteria |
| 15:55.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1303 has been created by scaredycat(AT)automated.it |
| 15:55.02 | cdbot2 | * * Dialer + ins't translated to 00 so contact sort cuts don't work |
| 15:55.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1303 |
| 15:55.27 | summatusmentis | I would say the community is probably bigger than last year, at least |
| 15:55.55 | thos | ScaredyCat, pooor |
| 15:56.06 | thos | ScaredyCat, you need to clean your keyboard |
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| 15:56.33 | ScaredyCat | too much kibble between the keys |
| 15:56.56 | summatusmentis | :-/ can't find the ixonos discussion |
| 15:57.54 | ScaredyCat | summatusmentis: the ixonos docs are on mybh |
| 15:57.57 | ScaredyCat | my bh |
| 15:58.26 | summatusmentis | what is bh? |
| 15:58.33 | ScaredyCat | http://buildhost.automated.it/ |
| 15:58.43 | summatusmentis | oh, buildhost, I get it |
| 15:58.56 | ScaredyCat | stabs summatusmentis with a fork |
| 15:59.02 | summatusmentis | OW! |
| 15:59.26 | summatusmentis | ScaredyCat: according to Sup3rkiddo there was a discussion w/ the ixonos guys earlier |
| 15:59.39 | spyre | works at ixonos |
| 15:59.40 | ScaredyCat | today? |
| 16:00.15 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, ah, spyre was the one... :D |
| 16:00.16 | summatusmentis | apparently #some_number_of_hours ago |
| 16:00.20 | spyre | That gsmd2 snapshot is pretty old, hopefully within this week we'll put a more recent and a better version to freesmartphone's svn |
| 16:00.31 | ScaredyCat | [2008-03-26 11:52:08] <spyre> mickeyl: gsmd2 now supports freesmartphone's dbus api, but there are a few methods I'd like to see added to freesmartphone's api |
| 16:00.33 | spyre | (or I assume its old) |
| 16:00.43 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, ^^ |
| 16:00.52 | summatusmentis | I'm seeing it, I'm seeing it! :-) |
| 16:01.30 | summatusmentis | spyre: and those methods are not included in gsmd2, thus aren't supported by fs.o ? |
| 16:02.06 | spyre | summatusmentis: quite the opposite, gsmd2 has some functionality that fs.o's api doesn't support atm |
| 16:02.21 | spyre | gsmd2 doesn't fully implement the fs.o api.. just to make things clear |
| 16:02.23 | thos | spyre, does gsmd2 have a home page? |
| 16:02.33 | Sup3rkiddo | spyre, is there someplace i can get hold of the code |
| 16:02.38 | Sup3rkiddo | *now* |
| 16:02.41 | Sup3rkiddo | :P |
| 16:03.14 | spyre | It doesn't have a homepage and you cant get hold of the code yet |
| 16:03.19 | summatusmentis | spyre: I see, so it'd be a matter of making gsmd2 match the API, and then matching the API to the leftover gsmd2 stuff? |
| 16:03.44 | spyre | summatusmentis: yes, if it makes sense. This is to be discussed with mickeyl |
| 16:04.03 | summatusmentis | I've been trying to discuss things w/ mickeyl for a couple of days now, but he's a busy man |
| 16:04.23 | spyre | that he is :) |
| 16:04.34 | spyre | are you gsoc coder? |
| 16:04.41 | summatusmentis | hoping to be, yes |
| 16:04.48 | mickeyl | summatusmentis: didn't you want to do the device daemon? |
| 16:04.55 | mickeyl | device daemon != phone daemon |
| 16:04.56 | mickeyl | :) |
| 16:05.00 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: then I'm confused |
| 16:05.13 | summatusmentis | lol, I would be willing to do one or the other |
| 16:05.18 | ScaredyCat | both! |
| 16:05.23 | ScaredyCat | gets the whip out |
| 16:05.27 | summatusmentis | Sup3rkiddo can do one if he wants |
| 16:05.28 | mickeyl | phone daemon deals with telephony |
| 16:05.57 | summatusmentis | I'd rather not do phone, because I'm pretty unfamilar w/ all the AT stuff(not that I'm necessarily more familiar with device stuff) |
| 16:05.57 | mickeyl | device daemon deals with I/O, wake ups, idle and lock screen, power control,. etc. |
| 16:06.40 | Sup3rkiddo | yep..me and summatusmentis and exchange some code for GSoC, we were plotting on ophoned but apparently thats done :D |
| 16:06.55 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: I got confused because of some conversation I had yesterday, w/ either Sup3rkiddo or yourself. Someone asked what HAL had to do w/ it, which confused me |
| 16:06.57 | Paulie | hello mickeyl , do you think Ambient Noise Detection will make it to SoC if only a few solts are received from Google |
| 16:07.06 | xcasex | whoevr thought out that horrid amber / black scheme needs to stand accountable for his actions :p |
| 16:07.36 | Sup3rkiddo | points to mickeyl for HAL |
| 16:07.44 | summatusmentis | alright, on the count of three, we're all going to bombard mickeyl with as many questions as possible |
| 16:08.21 | Sup3rkiddo | 3 |
| 16:08.21 | mickeyl | Paulie: probably not. I'm afraid this is of lesser priority |
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| 16:08.50 | ScaredyCat | xcasex: the new one? |
| 16:08.55 | mickeyl | if at all, HAL only has to do with device daemon |
| 16:09.02 | xcasex | ScaredyCat: dunno how new it is :p |
| 16:09.05 | mickeyl | in that case that we probably won't use it |
| 16:09.07 | mickeyl | ;) |
| 16:09.17 | thos | spyre, so no website, and no source code |
| 16:09.23 | thos | spyre, smells like vapour ware! |
| 16:09.30 | ScaredyCat | xcasex: http://blog.automated.it/2008/03/22/just-my-imagination/ |
| 16:09.44 | ScaredyCat | roflmao thos |
| 16:09.45 | xcasex | ScaredyCat: read it :) |
| 16:09.51 | ScaredyCat | that one? |
| 16:09.53 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: so the device daemon shouldn't use HAL? that's sort of what was being discussed in Angstrom, as an easy way to get a working device daemon |
| 16:09.55 | ScaredyCat | or the original |
| 16:10.41 | ScaredyCat | colour shceme |
| 16:10.43 | ScaredyCat | ssksks |
| 16:10.43 | mickeyl | summatusmentis: my feeling is that HAL has problems on embedded systems. these i want to overcome by doing the device daemon independently. If we can merge it lateron into HAL it would be cool, but I don't see that atm. |
| 16:11.07 | summatusmentis | ok, that's fair. Do we have some sort of basis for a device daemon? or not really? |
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| 16:11.30 | Sup3rkiddo | question: device daemon == the present neod? |
| 16:11.32 | mickeyl | no, we don't. only lots of ideas |
| 16:11.42 | mickeyl | and some goals |
| 16:11.57 | mickeyl | Sup3rkiddo: yes, neod is yet another non-generic device daemon incarnation |
| 16:12.01 | mickeyl | throw-away code |
| 16:12.12 | summatusmentis | lol, oh, so it's a bigger project than my confused state of gsmd stuff would have been |
| 16:12.20 | mickeyl | the odeviced needs to make all of these device-specific device daemons obsolete |
| 16:12.29 | mickeyl | see the freesmartphone.org page |
| 16:12.36 | mickeyl | it describes what odeviced should be |
| 16:13.17 | Sup3rkiddo | mickeyl, odeviced could be a worthy GSoC project, me and summatusmentis can work on different parts... |
| 16:13.53 | mickeyl | do you know Vala? |
| 16:14.02 | summatusmentis | Sup3rkiddo: the issue with that, depending on how we split it, is that we don't want a project that is dependent on another project |
| 16:14.07 | Sup3rkiddo | i know what it is, but i havent used it |
| 16:14.52 | summatusmentis | close enough to C/C++? |
| 16:15.19 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, hmm...well i was of the impression thats good, there might be exchange of ideas |
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| 16:15.34 | Sup3rkiddo | well, vala reminds me of c# |
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| 16:16.01 | thos | Sup3rkiddo, not really suprising |
| 16:16.11 | thos | Sup3rkiddo, since that's largely the intention :-) |
| 16:16.18 | summatusmentis | Sup3rkiddo: yeah, it can be, but what happens if for whatever reason one of us doesn't complete their portion of the project? then OM is left w/ half of a project |
| 16:16.36 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, you have a valid point there..:D |
| 16:17.01 | Sup3rkiddo | thos, bleh..i thought that was an accidental "feature" |
| 16:17.18 | summatusmentis | I don't 'speak' c#, more 'fluent' in c++/c/java |
| 16:17.45 | thos | Sup3rkiddo, "The syntax of Vala is similar to C#, modified to better fit the GObject type system. " |
| 16:17.55 | summatusmentis | http://live.gnome.org/Vala/DBusSample <- looks straightforward though |
| 16:18.25 | ScaredyCat | is vala ready ? |
| 16:18.37 | ScaredyCat | the status suggests noy |
| 16:18.38 | Sup3rkiddo | thos, i knew the GObject part but not the C# one...bleh |
| 16:18.49 | thos | Sup3rkiddo, why bleh? |
| 16:18.56 | thos | Sup3rkiddo, what's wrong with C# syntax? |
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| 16:19.22 | Sup3rkiddo | thos, for one, i dont know c#..;) |
| 16:19.32 | thos | fair enough |
| 16:19.33 | emdete | Sup3rkiddo: to many brackets? |
| 16:19.34 | summatusmentis | version 0.1.7 ? |
| 16:20.11 | emdete | oups that was for thos ... |
| 16:20.52 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: since i'm now on track, feel free to ignore my previous email. Is there a way to split odeviced between two people, and have the projects be independent? |
| 16:21.30 | ScaredyCat | plugin arch! |
| 16:21.37 | mickeyl | well, it's plugin based |
| 16:21.41 | mickeyl | one project could be framework |
| 16:21.49 | mickeyl | the other one could be plugins that mimick the behaviour of |
| 16:21.52 | mickeyl | neod, zaurusd, food, bard |
| 16:22.02 | Qwell | mmm, food |
| 16:22.04 | mickeyl | i'm not sure what happens if only one project gets accepted though |
| 16:22.11 | mickeyl | besides, they are not independent |
| 16:22.19 | mickeyl | without the framework, the plugins are well... |
| 16:22.24 | mickeyl | so this is complicated |
| 16:22.24 | Sup3rkiddo | ....borked |
| 16:22.33 | ScaredyCat | can't you attach deps ? |
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| 16:24.02 | summatusmentis | Sup3rkiddo: according to google, it has to be separate projects for each student, but you probably knew that |
| 16:24.29 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, yeah i knew that, but i could still help around outside GSoC |
| 16:25.02 | summatusmentis | I don't want either of us to not be accepted at the expense of the other, you know? |
| 16:25.31 | Sup3rkiddo | =) *sniff* |
| 16:25.58 | summatusmentis | lol <3 Sup3rkiddo |
| 16:26.08 | summatusmentis | hey, I've gotta head out, be back in a few |
| 16:27.36 | ScaredyCat | "Google allocates a particular number of student slots to each organization;" <--- why isn;t that transparent? |
| 16:28.36 | Sup3rkiddo | ScaredyCat, i have been trying to get the answer but i get pointed to the faqs :D |
| 16:29.19 | ScaredyCat | that's the only mention of it in the faqs |
| 16:29.27 | Sup3rkiddo | yeah |
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| 16:29.40 | bedboi | hi all |
| 16:30.02 | bedboi | i don't remember how to get stats on battery |
| 16:30.07 | bedboi | somewhere in /sys/ |
| 16:30.53 | bedboi | ah maybe here /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008 |
| 16:31.47 | bedboi | how to be sure that it is charging? |
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| 16:32.01 | bedboi | qtopia does not show it's charging |
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| 16:32.13 | summatusmentis | ok, back |
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| 16:32.17 | summatusmentis | did I miss any enlightening mickeyl words of wisdom? |
| 16:32.32 | bedboi | and "cat chgcur" is giving very oscillating values |
| 16:34.21 | bedboi | also battemp is giving me 2342, which seems quite hot. |
| 16:34.48 | thos | http://folks.o-hand.com/thomas/moko-gtk-engine-new-contacts.png http://folks.o-hand.com/thomas/moko-gtk-engine-new-contacts-edit.png |
| 16:35.05 | thos | ScaredyCat, more amusement ^ |
| 16:35.46 | mickeyl | openmoko-devel mailing list reply time... |
| 16:36.27 | bedboi | thos: is there any release of this theme (without gradients)? |
| 16:36.48 | thos | bedboi, well, as soon as I type "svn commit" :-) |
| 16:37.34 | ScaredyCat | can you get rid of the gradient in the title |
| 16:38.08 | thos | ScaredyCat, that's in the matchbox theme |
| 16:38.21 | bedboi | it also remain obscure to me how the battery is managed. I was used to battery voodoos back in the h54xx times |
| 16:38.21 | ScaredyCat | so, kill it... kill it now... |
| 16:38.31 | thos | ScaredyCat, ask the man in charge :-) |
| 16:38.32 | bedboi | ScaredyCat: ehehe, yep i agree |
| 16:38.39 | bedboi | i fucking hate gradients |
| 16:38.42 | mwester | checks out the new theme, and likes it muchly |
| 16:38.49 | ScaredyCat | thos: which one? ;) |
| 16:39.01 | thos | ScaredyCat, well, if you can find one, you're doing better than me |
| 16:39.25 | bedboi | plus they are CPU hogs |
| 16:39.31 | ScaredyCat | surely the man in charge is the last one to svn commit :) |
| 16:39.31 | Kero | new stabe images? (during the past two weeks, that is) |
| 16:39.32 | mwester | Somebody fix the theme, and I'll find somebody to commit it. |
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| 16:39.51 | ScaredyCat | mwester, you can dl mine |
| 16:40.00 | ScaredyCat | or wait for thos's comit |
| 16:40.00 | mwester | For matchbox? |
| 16:40.20 | ScaredyCat | matchbox + gtk replaced |
| 16:40.22 | ScaredyCat | in mine |
| 16:40.37 | ScaredyCat | 'replaced' |
| 16:40.42 | mwester | Ok - so all we need is a matchbox theme that maches thos' work, and we're good. |
| 16:40.42 | ScaredyCat | changed more like |
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| 16:41.24 | ScaredyCat | thos: dl mine, take the matchbox theme and add it to yours :) |
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| 16:43.49 | bedboi | is the power management still to be improved? |
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| 16:44.04 | bedboi | (to go above 5h of usage) |
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| 16:44.39 | ScaredyCat | it has... so lond as you have the super battery pack ;) |
| 16:44.44 | ScaredyCat | long |
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| 16:46.06 | summatusmentis | Sup3rkiddo: any thoughts on splitting odeviced? |
| 16:46.55 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, i havent looked at neod yet..so am not in a position to comment :/....i could get some python bindings done though.. |
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| 16:54.26 | summatusmentis | Sup3rkiddo: iirc, zaurusd is just a perl script that then calls other things |
| 16:54.32 | summatusmentis | but I'm not sure about that |
| 16:54.52 | Sup3rkiddo | havent looked at angstorm code |
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| 16:59.02 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: the modules for odeviced would be implementing things like power management, headphone insertion/removal, rotation, locking the display, etc. right? |
| 16:59.07 | summatusmentis | and each of those would be separate? |
| 16:59.23 | Sup3rkiddo | sometime like plugins would be great |
| 16:59.57 | summatusmentis | Sup3rkiddo: http://www.freesmartphone.org/mediawiki/index.php/Implementations/OpenDeviceDaemon |
| 17:00.19 | summatusmentis | looks like neod, zaurusd, machined, and ODevice are all doing the same thing, but are machine specific |
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| 17:00.58 | summatusmentis | maybe those things listed are 'core' plugins to the dbus framework |
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| 17:04.11 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, but each is written in its own separate style..integrating them as backends for odeviced will involve some sleepness nights..what you say? |
| 17:07.27 | mickeyl | summatusmentis: yes |
| 17:07.34 | mickeyl | (seperate plugins) |
| 17:07.59 | mickeyl | the deal would be that the framework scans and advertises the APIs provided by the plugins and then loads the plugins |
| 17:08.25 | summatusmentis | ok, and both the framework and the plugins are useless w/out the other? |
| 17:08.27 | mickeyl | the plugins itself contain very specific code to implement APIs |
| 17:08.30 | mickeyl | yep |
| 17:08.48 | summatusmentis | so it's really one large project, and not easily split |
| 17:08.49 | mickeyl | framework without at least say... an idle time checker, or a power control, is dull |
| 17:08.55 | mickeyl | yes, very hard to split |
| 17:09.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1304 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com |
| 17:09.01 | cdbot2 | * * cannot display status report |
| 17:09.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1304 |
| 17:09.06 | Sup3rkiddo | mickeyl, do plugins incur some overhead? |
| 17:09.30 | mickeyl | no. just some shared objects that are dlopened |
| 17:09.35 | mickeyl | actually the idea was that you have to build options |
| 17:09.37 | mickeyl | a) plugins |
| 17:09.42 | mickeyl | b) static build |
| 17:09.56 | mickeyl | both makes sense for various devices |
| 17:10.10 | mickeyl | but that's purely a build system issue |
| 17:10.15 | Sup3rkiddo | ah |
| 17:10.18 | Sup3rkiddo | ok.. |
| 17:10.26 | mickeyl | you could look at pulseaudio e.g. |
| 17:10.31 | mickeyl | it has a nice plugin system |
| 17:10.36 | ScaredyCat | *cough* |
| 17:10.36 | summatusmentis | lunching time, I'll be back in a little while |
| 17:10.39 | mickeyl | unfortunately it's not seperated as a library |
| 17:10.49 | Sup3rkiddo | no wonder odeviced wants pa as base :D |
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| 17:10.51 | mickeyl | should pester Lennart to factor this out |
| 17:11.10 | mickeyl | yes, that was my idea to see how much framework code we could steal from PA |
| 17:12.19 | Sup3rkiddo | mickeyl, forgive me if i sound stupid, but how about using libgsmd as a backend for things that it does without problems, the non-asynchronous parts like 'dialling out' |
| 17:12.43 | mickeyl | the problem with libgsmd is the design |
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| 17:13.02 | mickeyl | being asynchronous against AT protocol calls for problems |
| 17:13.12 | Sup3rkiddo | ah ..ok |
| 17:13.12 | mickeyl | besides, it has no idea about different control channels |
| 17:13.16 | Sup3rkiddo | right |
| 17:13.17 | mickeyl | which could simplify the protocal a lot |
| 17:13.25 | mickeyl | making it more maintainable, less complicated, more solid |
| 17:13.35 | mickeyl | that's why i think libgsmd is not the way to go |
| 17:13.40 | mickeyl | although .tw thinks otherwise |
| 17:15.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1305 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com |
| 17:15.02 | cdbot2 | * * cannot display Contact name from Call history after rebooting |
| 17:15.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1305 |
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| 17:29.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1306 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com |
| 17:29.01 | cdbot2 | * * dial out from Messaging |
| 17:29.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1306 |
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| 17:31.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1307 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com |
| 17:31.01 | cdbot2 | * * Add to Contacts from unknow folder |
| 17:31.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1307 |
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| 17:33.07 | PBeck | hi |
| 17:36.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1308 has been created by erin_yueh(AT)openmoko.com |
| 17:36.02 | cdbot2 | * * missing supports for contacts from SIM card |
| 17:36.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1308 |
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| 17:38.45 | summatusmentis | Sup3rkiddo: I know you really haven't had any time to look at code, etc. but what are your thoughts now? |
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| 17:42.04 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, hmm....i am sort of in a confused state atm...ophoned or odeviced.. |
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| 17:44.03 | summatusmentis | isn't ophoned mostly done? |
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| 17:45.41 | raster | bwahahah |
| 17:46.27 | ScaredyCat | keypad |
| 17:46.54 | summatusmentis | ScaredyCat: what about a keypad? |
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| 17:51.08 | ScaredyCat | raster is working on it... |
| 17:51.27 | ScaredyCat | I was taunting |
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| 17:52.04 | summatusmentis | lol, oh |
| 17:52.20 | raster | slices ScaredyCat |
| 17:53.10 | Sup3rkiddo | raster, can i do the honours once again? |
| 17:53.41 | Sup3rkiddo | bleh to you |
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| 17:56.01 | CVirus | I wonder what's the status of the Wifi driver |
| 17:57.17 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: obviously there are device specific aspects to each module. |
| 17:57.36 | mickeyl | right |
| 17:57.46 | mickeyl | they vary in specificness |
| 17:57.48 | mickeyl | e.g. |
| 17:57.51 | mickeyl | kernel-2.6-backlight |
| 17:57.53 | mickeyl | is pretty generic |
| 17:57.56 | mickeyl | however |
| 17:57.59 | mickeyl | fic-gta01-modem-powercontrol |
| 17:58.03 | summatusmentis | Would there be one generic power management module, and then multiple projects add their code to the single power management module? or would each device create it's own power management module? |
| 17:58.03 | mickeyl | would be pretty specific |
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| 17:58.56 | mickeyl | this is up to the plugin vendor, but my gut feeling is that power management is device specific unless standardizes by kernel interfaces (think led/backlight/display class devices) |
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| 17:59.39 | summatusmentis | ok, so a zaurus would use a different power management module than a freerunner might |
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| 18:00.24 | raster | Sup3rkiddo: :) |
| 18:01.25 | mickeyl | summatusmentis: probably |
| 18:01.37 | mickeyl | of course, there is a tendency towards kernel interfaces standardization |
| 18:01.40 | mickeyl | which we welcome |
| 18:01.52 | mickeyl | so we should have generic modules for most of the 2.6 interfaces |
| 18:02.14 | mickeyl | however there are nasty things |
| 18:02.17 | mickeyl | like on the ezx series |
| 18:02.28 | mickeyl | you need to talk AT commands to the baseband processor to turn on the power of the bluetooth module |
| 18:02.31 | mickeyl | how sick is that :D |
| 18:02.39 | summatusmentis | lol, kinda gross, yes |
| 18:02.41 | Sup3rkiddo | puky sick |
| 18:02.42 | LuitvD | about that... I want to be on that idea for GSoC :) |
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| 18:03.08 | mickeyl | dinner time now |
| 18:03.09 | LuitvD | are there any other people who showed interest in that GSoC idea? |
| 18:03.10 | mickeyl | bbl |
| 18:03.14 | LuitvD | the EZX one |
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| 18:04.14 | summatusmentis | mickey|dinner: last time you did this, you never came back :D |
| 18:04.38 | Sup3rkiddo | no wonder he is sorta rotund |
| 18:04.41 | raster | neverending dinner |
| 18:04.42 | raster | :) |
| 18:07.17 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03werner * r4257 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-gta02.patch: |
| 18:07.17 | CIA-17 | openmoko: From: matt_hsu <matt_hsu@openmoko.org> |
| 18:07.17 | CIA-17 | openmoko: Subject: [PATCH] uboot-pcf50633_usbchg.patch |
| 18:07.18 | CIA-17 | openmoko: This patch enables 1A charging current. In the kernel/uboot, the drawing |
| 18:07.18 | CIA-17 | openmoko: of USB current should be determined the configuration of USB device |
| 18:07.19 | CIA-17 | openmoko: status setting. |
| 18:07.44 | ScaredyCat | ! |
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| 18:11.22 | ahven | via special charger? |
| 18:11.35 | Sup3rkiddo | night all |
| 18:12.24 | summatusmentis | Sup3rkiddo: what timezone are you in? |
| 18:12.36 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, IST |
| 18:12.52 | summatusmentis | in relation to UTC? |
| 18:13.05 | Sup3rkiddo | Indian Standard Time |
| 18:13.11 | Sup3rkiddo | +0530 GMT |
| 18:13.26 | summatusmentis | good lord, so it's what, 2:30 am there? |
| 18:14.06 | Sup3rkiddo | hehe, na...11:45 PM..got go to college tommorow.. |
| 18:14.22 | Sup3rkiddo | mom wont let me stay up that long :S |
| 18:14.30 | summatusmentis | oh, I can't do math, sleep well |
| 18:14.42 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, yup..night..have a g'day |
| 18:17.17 | jmichel | I started a brand new build with MokoMakeFile today because my old one wasn't working anymore. But I just got an error with package avahio that doesn't want to install. The log is in http://pastebin.ca/958390. Any ideas? |
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| 18:18.18 | jmichel | The package that fails to install is avahi, not avahio, sorry |
| 18:22.03 | LuitvD | are there any third party FIC Neo skins already? now that the design has been published... |
| 18:23.09 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 18:23.18 | SpeedEvil | making a skin is _really_ expensive. |
| 18:23.38 | SpeedEvil | you're looking at an investment of $10K++ to make the moulds for a run of injection moulding. |
| 18:23.46 | summatusmentis | oh geez |
| 18:23.59 | Vegar | not if you have a 3d printer, SpeedEvil |
| 18:24.18 | LuitvD | I'm not talking production runs, I mean if anybody has tried building anything remotely close to a fully customized case |
| 18:24.28 | summatusmentis | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2955814405.html ? |
| 18:25.43 | LuitvD | oeh, nice |
| 18:25.53 | bedboi | i'm trying to charge my neo, but it seems not to work |
| 18:26.03 | bedboi | i mean it is using "pre" charge mode |
| 18:26.12 | bedboi | but after a while (5 mins) it turns off |
| 18:26.27 | SpeedEvil | Vegar: 3D printers unfortunately have problems. The product is generally sucky mechanically. |
| 18:26.54 | Vegar | SpeedEvil: it's good for prototyping |
| 18:26.55 | SpeedEvil | LuitvD: it's simply not adequate - in many cases - for a phone that you don't want to shatter immediately if you drop it. |
| 18:26.59 | bedboi | plus "cat chgcur" returns strange values (like 12293 and after one second 0, after another second 133) |
| 18:27.03 | SpeedEvil | For prototyping, yes. |
| 18:27.14 | LuitvD | point taken |
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| 18:27.47 | SpeedEvil | However, for a case that you want to actually use, you need it to be mechanically strong and rigid - otherwise it shatters, or the circuitry inside gets bent too much on impact and stops working. |
| 18:27.57 | summatusmentis | http://koolu.com/Koolu-WE-Appliance/WE-Phone.html says that a future feature is 700Mhz |
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| 18:32.44 | srj | hello anf |
| 18:33.18 | Anf | hi |
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| 18:34.41 | yoyo | hi all |
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| 18:39.09 | srj | hi, anyone has sent any proposals for GSoC yet |
| 18:39.37 | summatusmentis | no, I'm submitting drafts versions to the likely mentor for my project |
| 18:40.27 | srj | what is you idea? |
| 18:41.05 | summatusmentis | odeviced, a dbus api that will allow a cross-device device daemon |
| 18:41.25 | cb22 | pokes raster with an is-it-done-yet-stick :p |
| 18:41.45 | cb22 | summatusmentis: ooh, shiny :) |
| 18:41.57 | Tanu | summatusmentis: cross-device in which form? this would require different backends, wouldnt it? |
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| 18:42.15 | Tanu | (thinking of things like Phonon) |
| 18:42.27 | summatusmentis | Tanu: the idea is that it'll be modular, so each device can have specific modules, that are all addresses w/ the dbus fraemwork |
| 18:42.30 | summatusmentis | frame* |
| 18:43.04 | summatusmentis | specific modules for freerunner powermanagement, for instance, which is different from the powermanagement for a zaurus |
| 18:43.26 | srj | neat |
| 18:43.35 | CVirus | What is the status of the Wifi driver ? |
| 18:43.37 | Tanu | sounds tasty... :) |
| 18:44.04 | cb22 | how many slots does om have for soc this year? |
| 18:44.34 | summatusmentis | cb22: noone knows yet |
| 18:44.37 | cb22 | CVirus: AFAIK quite far |
| 18:44.58 | CVirus | far from being perfect ? |
| 18:45.00 | cb22 | (thats just my opinion from looking at things like bugzilla and ther kernel mailing list) |
| 18:45.19 | CVirus | hmm |
| 18:45.22 | cb22 | well, association with no wpa works perfect |
| 18:45.26 | summatusmentis | FYI, I shouldn't really take credit for the idea, it was something I was discussing w/ Angstrom, and mickeyl has been helping guide me in the right direction |
| 18:45.38 | cb22 | there are still a few little problems with WPA, but it works generally |
| 18:45.50 | srj | sumatsumentis: i was thinking of a text to speech engine for moko. |
| 18:45.50 | CVirus | what about WEP ? |
| 18:45.57 | cb22 | </nonauthoritive source> |
| 18:46.03 | cb22 | i think that works fine too |
| 18:46.07 | CVirus | great |
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| 18:49.03 | cb22 | hmm, are there any lon/lat -> timezoze converters out there? |
| 18:49.09 | CVirus | I'm just wondering how people can reverse engineer a device and write an open source driver for it .... like the bcm43xx wireless chipset |
| 18:49.28 | cb22 | CVirus: with huge amounts of skill and time |
| 18:49.43 | summatusmentis | srj: text to speech engine? that could be cool |
| 18:49.54 | summatusmentis | not speech to text, and not speech commands, right? |
| 18:49.56 | cb22 | you should see the prism54 project. they even have a mini custom 'firmware' if you will |
| 18:49.59 | CVirus | cb22: how would they do it if they don't even have the schematics of the chipset ? |
| 18:50.16 | summatusmentis | because those ones are supposed to be a lot harder |
| 18:50.26 | cb22 | i'd imagine they would start by analyzing some raw data |
| 18:50.55 | pH5 | CVirus: that and reversing existing binary drivers/firmware |
| 18:51.08 | SpeedEvil | CVirus: you start with bus-sniffs of the driver interacting with the chip |
| 18:51.19 | cb22 | you can load your own firmware onto those p54u chips :) |
| 18:51.20 | SpeedEvil | Or dissasembly |
| 18:51.23 | pH5 | the bcm guys even figured out the chipset's instruction set without knowing the architecture from the raw binary data |
| 18:51.30 | cb22 | and make the LEDs blink |
| 18:51.38 | CVirus | wow |
| 18:51.45 | SpeedEvil | pH5: but you're starting in that case from knowledge of what it might be. |
| 18:51.47 | srj | summatismentis:yeah but i really thought my neo needed a t2s engine |
| 18:51.52 | SpeedEvil | pH5: for example - 8051/... |
| 18:52.06 | SpeedEvil | pH5: it's unlikely to be a completely novel architecture. |
| 18:52.36 | srj | speech recognition is hard from scratch , but porting popular s/w won't be that much of a problem |
| 18:53.00 | SpeedEvil | popular open-source. |
| 18:53.19 | SpeedEvil | speech recognition ranges from easy to man-centuries of work. |
| 18:53.50 | SpeedEvil | Easy is stuff like regognising 10-20 speaker dependant words. |
| 18:53.58 | SpeedEvil | 'phone dial 0138484444' |
| 18:54.15 | SpeedEvil | hard is speaker independant continuous speech. |
| 18:55.00 | cb22 | thinks t2s on phonecalls would rock |
| 18:55.03 | cb22 | when you cant speak |
| 18:55.17 | cb22 | and you cant sms, you could send a 'speech sms' |
| 18:55.20 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 18:55.32 | srj | as a phone moko will need those basic functionality like dial etc |
| 18:55.51 | cb22 | srj: phone? huh? whats that |
| 18:56.06 | srj | :) |
| 18:56.34 | bedboi | damn, there's no way to charge this fucking battery |
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| 18:57.08 | cb22 | shame, its not the battery's fault |
| 18:57.34 | SpeedEvil | bedboi:? |
| 18:57.49 | bedboi | SpeedEvil: there's no way to make it charge |
| 18:58.01 | srj | the software can be "trained" using standard techniques |
| 18:58.02 | bedboi | i put it on charge, the neo boots |
| 18:58.03 | SpeedEvil | what battery? |
| 18:58.25 | bedboi | then it charges (pre mode) for some minutes and then it turns itself off |
| 18:58.49 | bedboi | i've tried with both the FIC battery and a nokia one |
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| 19:00.28 | summatusmentis | mickey|dinner: ping me when you get back please(assuming you ever come back from dinner :D) |
| 19:01.06 | SpeedEvil | bedboi: has it booted fully? You're plugging it into a powered hub, or directly into a port? |
| 19:01.16 | bedboi | yep fully |
| 19:01.20 | bedboi | usb port |
| 19:01.43 | bedboi | SpeedEvil: maybe i should buy a usb charger |
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| 19:06.06 | ScaredyCat | bedboi: http://blog.automated.it/2008/03/08/how-long-does-yours-stay-up/ |
| 19:06.14 | ScaredyCat | gah! |
| 19:06.15 | ScaredyCat | gone |
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| 19:10.44 | ScaredyCat | hey mickey|dinner! |
| 19:10.57 | summatusmentis | he went to dinner, he's never coming back |
| 19:12.34 | ScaredyCat | never ending dinner.... |
| 19:12.47 | ScaredyCat | the sequal to the never ending story... |
| 19:13.26 | ScaredyCat | if he's not coming back, can I have his 02 |
| 19:13.48 | summatusmentis | nuh uh, I saw him leave, I get it |
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| 19:30.23 | ScaredyCat | XorA|gone: ping |
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| 19:34.00 | ScaredyCat | does anyone know if the move from fic-gta0* to om-gta0* has been commited ? |
| 19:34.26 | mwester | On the OE side, yes. I won't be on the OM branch until XorA|gone gets ungone. |
| 19:34.35 | mwester | s/I/It/ |
| 19:35.32 | ScaredyCat | I presume the MACHINE in configs changes too? |
| 19:36.06 | mwester | I think that Koen just commited a fix for that on OE. |
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| 19:38.45 | ScaredyCat | good good |
| 19:40.21 | yoyo | hyhy I can't write "7" on my keyboard :) |
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| 19:43.15 | ScaredyCat | you just did |
| 19:43.32 | cb22 | can you see what im typing? |
| 19:43.36 | summatusmentis | yeah |
| 19:43.50 | ScaredyCat | mwester: I'm guessing that it's a full rebuild too :( |
| 19:44.20 | ScaredyCat | no cb22 I can't see what you're typing |
| 19:44.28 | mwester | Er, I don't know but it wouldn't surprise me if it were. |
| 19:45.12 | ScaredyCat | and of course it'll break everything again... gps all the apps that use /sys/.../blah |
| 19:45.19 | ScaredyCat | etc |
| 19:46.14 | cb22 | ScaredyCat: damn. how do i get it so you can? |
| 19:46.16 | ScaredyCat | blames XorA|gone for bringing it all up in the first place |
| 19:46.37 | ScaredyCat | cb22: turn off your ascii colour |
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| 19:46.58 | ScaredyCat | it's usually the ALT-F4 key combo |
| 19:47.42 | cb22 | yes, of course. i shall try that now |
| 19:48.42 | ScaredyCat | under linux it'll be CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE |
| 19:49.21 | cb22 | oh noes you are all up in my x killing my windows :( |
| 19:49.31 | summatusmentis | hrr hrr |
| 19:54.00 | ScaredyCat | tum te tum |
| 19:54.53 | summatusmentis | are there other mentors around? |
| 19:54.54 | cb22 | gives ScaredyCat some catfood |
| 19:56.26 | ScaredyCat | yum |
| 19:57.58 | ScaredyCat | summatusmentis: the path to enlightenment is a two-dimensional array of black and white cells... |
| 19:58.13 | cb22 | i thought it was through raster |
| 19:59.22 | summatusmentis | two dimensional array of black and white cells... I don't know what that means... |
| 19:59.36 | ScaredyCat | !google define: raster |
| 19:59.38 | cdbot2 | A two-dimensional array of black and white cells, called pixels or picture elements, which when displayed on a screen or paper, form an image or ... @ http://www.photographyreview.com/digitalglossarycrx.aspx ( http://www.google.com/search?hl=all&q=define:+raster ) |
| 19:59.39 | raster | yo momma |
| 19:59.47 | cb22 | bwahaha |
| 19:59.53 | summatusmentis | for(i=;i<6;i++) |
| 19:59.58 | summatusmentis | shit, never mind |
| 20:00.18 | cb22 | for i in range (0,5): |
| 20:00.22 | cb22 | much better |
| 20:00.26 | summatusmentis | I was gonna write code to create a two dimensional array that took data from black[] and white[] but whatever |
| 20:00.36 | anrp | .. |
| 20:00.40 | anrp | detects a game of life |
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| 20:02.03 | avtobiff | is there a dedicated gsoc-channel for openmoko |
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| 20:02.37 | summatusmentis | not really, here we are |
| 20:02.57 | summatusmentis | also, back off, openmoko is mine! :-) |
| 20:03.31 | summatusmentis | wait, raster: are you a mentor? |
| 20:03.50 | raster | god damn |
| 20:03.54 | cb22 | hehe |
| 20:03.57 | raster | i'm becoming a mentor everywhere |
| 20:04.05 | raster | i wonder who put it in my schedule |
| 20:04.10 | avtobiff | summatusmentis, hehe. hi :) |
| 20:04.11 | raster | and if they asked my schedule fairies |
| 20:04.12 | summatusmentis | you don't need to be, I thought that's what ScaredyCat was saying |
| 20:04.17 | avtobiff | summatusmentis, what projects are you interested in? |
| 20:04.20 | raster | as frankly it was already overflowing |
| 20:04.33 | summatusmentis | not ones listed on the ideas list, and I'm not telling because then you'll steal them :-D |
| 20:04.58 | avtobiff | summatusmentis, free software and open design - bringing openess to the world ;) |
| 20:05.03 | cb22 | raster: pffft, you are just supposed to be a humble programmer |
| 20:05.05 | summatusmentis | no, I'm applying for odeviced, a modular dbus interface to the hardware of devices |
| 20:05.18 | avtobiff | ok |
| 20:05.20 | raster | cb22: i know! |
| 20:05.40 | raster | cb22: thats why they should ask my schedule faries. |
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| 20:06.11 | summatusmentis | raster: well, where do I contact your schedule fairies? |
| 20:06.29 | raster | good question |
| 20:06.34 | raster | i wish i knew |
| 20:06.39 | raster | they flew off with my schedule |
| 20:06.54 | mwester | doesn't like schedule fairies, but his management has refused his request for schedule nymphs. :( |
| 20:08.04 | cb22 | raster's schedule: 1) make openmoko look pimp :p |
| 20:12.37 | avtobiff | why is the openmoko so big? |
| 20:12.53 | avtobiff | there seem to be alot of air in the hardware |
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| 20:15.26 | summatusmentis | ScaredyCat: I was looking at the video you posted on your blog, it looked like there was a 1:40 boot up time? |
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| 20:18.08 | mwester | I got bored after about a minute and a half, and never saw the rest of the video. |
| 20:18.09 | raster | avtobiff: we like a lot of hot air |
| 20:18.39 | mwester | Unless you can get that glamo cranking, there'll be nothing to warm the air in there! |
| 20:20.20 | summatusmentis | ok, so whoever can, should do whatever is in their power to get mickey|dinner back on IRC |
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| 20:29.15 | abraxa_ | summatusmentis: I doubt his wife will let that attempt become successful. |
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| 20:38.25 | summatusmentis | abraxa_: lol, I know, he's a busy guy, and everyone deserves family time |
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| 20:43.18 | avtobiff | btw. for the gsoc-projects (and general development) is there an openmoke-simulator? |
| 20:43.29 | avtobiff | openmoko* |
| 20:43.55 | Kensan | avtobiff: you might want to read: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Installation_guide |
| 20:44.19 | avtobiff | Kensan, thanks! |
| 20:45.02 | kdean06 | ScaredyCat, Got a current build running? Less than 24 hours old? |
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| 20:45.59 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 20:46.24 | ScaredyCat | summatusmentis: just over 1:50 iirc |
| 20:46.35 | kdean06 | Can you add capital letters to the name of a new contact? |
| 20:46.55 | ScaredyCat | don't think so |
| 20:46.56 | kdean06 | I can do lower case and numbers, but no capitals. |
| 20:47.31 | ScaredyCat | yes, same here |
| 20:47.44 | ScaredyCat | but i had contacts on my SIM with capitals.. |
| 20:47.52 | ScaredyCat | I also have a BT keyboard |
| 20:48.22 | ScaredyCat | the multitap deosn;t have caps iirc |
| 20:48.31 | ScaredyCat | it's a load of wank |
| 20:48.50 | ScaredyCat | raster is working on a new kb apparently... |
| 20:51.05 | kdean06 | It did yesterday. :) |
| 20:51.26 | mwester | Anyone ever wonder about the fact that the Openmoko community liasons seldom every show up here on IRC -- it makes one wonder exactly what community they are liasing with, and how they are liasing... |
| 20:52.08 | mwester | (I haven't had a good argument with roh in ages! :p ) |
| 20:53.12 | anrp | D: |
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| 20:59.21 | Psi | mwester, yeah, it would be the one job where chatting all day on irc would be considered acceptable :) |
| 21:00.14 | Kensan | mwester: reading /. and engadget takes time too ;) |
| 21:02.41 | mwester | Instead, poor mickey|dinner has to resort to long dinners to escape the throngs of people chasing him about one OM thing or another... :D |
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| 21:10.46 | mickeyl | you have no idea ;) |
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| 21:28.03 | ScaredyCat | kdeadfkkfldm elm ervmerr |
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| 21:50.34 | rahul_delight | I wanted to discuss an idea for gsoc, can i discuss it here |
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| 21:52.23 | ravenlock | raster: hola. Just thought I'd peek in here... as it gets mentioned in SoC land a lot. |
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| 21:52.43 | ravenlock | lots of folks. |
| 21:53.15 | wurp2 | ravenlock: Where is SoC land? |
| 21:53.35 | ravenlock | --> #gsoc |
| 21:53.39 | rahul_delight | I have an idea related to the "Centralised event handling infrastructure" |
| 21:53.45 | wurp2 | ah, makes sense ;-) |
| 21:54.14 | rahul_delight | is there any mentor here whom i can discuss my idea with? |
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| 21:54.20 | wurp2 | It seems a bit of a conflict of interest - Google Summer of Code projects extolling the virtues of a competing open phone system |
| 21:54.21 | anrp | spots the appearance of a "de-" prefix! |
| 21:54.44 | wurp2 | rahul_delight: stefan and mickeyl are the only mentors I know of |
| 21:55.05 | ravenlock | wurp2: hehe.... they are not extolling the virtues of your system, but those of FOSS projects. |
| 21:55.16 | ravenlock | of which you happen to be one. |
| 21:55.33 | wurp2 | Well, it's only my system in that I own the device and have built a few toy apps for it ;-) |
| 21:55.52 | ravenlock | :) |
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| 21:56.38 | anrp | toy :o |
| 21:56.56 | anrp | one man's toy is another man's ".." |
| 21:57.25 | abraxa_ | joy? ;) |
| 21:59.47 | ScaredyCat | sex toy |
| 22:01.05 | abraxa_ | Don't say that, ScaredyCat. It makes me remember ugly pictures I saw. |
| 22:02.26 | rahul_delight | should i directly send my idea as an application, or should i discuss it first here? |
| 22:03.24 | wurp2 | rahul_delight: You should probably send it in email to openmoko-devel at lists.openmoko.org |
| 22:03.56 | ScaredyCat | abraxa_: goatse ? |
| 22:03.56 | wurp2 | but by all means feel free to discuss it here if you like :-) |
| 22:04.23 | ScaredyCat | unfortuneately you can't unsee things abraxa_ |
| 22:04.24 | abraxa_ | ScaredyCat: More like... pictures taken at emergency rooms. You don't wanna know details, trust me. |
| 22:04.25 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: the sad state of things it that goatse has been made to seem tame by the follow ups |
| 22:05.10 | wurp2 | I managed to miss goatse for years, then some random asshole (pun intended) snuck a copy in a link I was foolish enough to follow |
| 22:05.20 | abraxa_ | lol |
| 22:06.01 | abraxa_ | I never understood why people who KNEW about the "cup video" voluntarily decided to watch it. Even out of curiosity. I never did and never will. |
| 22:07.23 | ScaredyCat | agrees |
| 22:07.49 | wurp2 | God, no kidding |
| 22:08.38 | ScaredyCat | actually, this is more the thing now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0 |
| 22:09.03 | anrp | an inline rickroll D: |
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| 22:10.35 | wurp2 | now what in the world would make you think we would follow that link? |
| 22:10.38 | wurp2 | after that setup |
| 22:10.51 | anrp | its just a guy from the mid 20th century singing |
| 22:11.00 | anrp | really |
| 22:11.00 | wurp2 | oh, that |
| 22:11.03 | wurp2 | heh |
| 22:11.05 | wurp2 | "really" |
| 22:11.09 | anrp | really! |
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| 22:11.20 | anrp | adds punctuation for emphasis |
| 22:11.23 | wurp2 | but, nonetheless, I don't WANNA be rickrolled |
| 22:11.38 | lzero | hello ! can use minisip under a openmoko mobile??? http://www.minisip.org |
| 22:12.48 | wurp2 | 'can' is a loaded question |
| 22:13.08 | anrp | puts a neo on top of a dell |
| 22:13.18 | wurp2 | It's open software, so if you or someone else ports it, you can |
| 22:13.33 | wurp2 | of course, on a neo1973 you'll need some way to access the internet, probably something better than gprs |
| 22:13.43 | Kensan | lzero: afaik there's a package in openembedded. |
| 22:14.01 | Kensan | lzero: http://www.openembedded.org/filebrowser/org.openembedded.dev/packages/minisip |
| 22:14.09 | wurp2 | You can use bluetooth if theres a pand server nearby, or rig up a wifi dongle (and port the driver ;-) |
| 22:14.24 | wurp2 | Kensan: Very nice! |
| 22:14.27 | lzero | oho wow THX |
| 22:14.35 | wurp2 | Of course, you still have the net access issue, no? |
| 22:14.59 | Kensan | lzero: My guess would be that noone has tried that on a moko yet so expect some bumps along the way... |
| 22:15.12 | Kensan | wurp2: you can test it with usb-networking |
| 22:15.26 | Kensan | wurp2: and gta2 will have wlan. |
| 22:15.44 | wurp2 | Yeah, but who wants to be tethered by usb while talking on your mobile phone? |
| 22:16.05 | Kensan | wurp2: well the question was "can" not "is it fun" ;) |
| 22:16.11 | wurp2 | I use my neo to browse the web at home over bt pand |
| 22:16.13 | anrp | wireless usb? |
| 22:16.16 | anrp | solves the wrong problem |
| 22:16.46 | wurp2 | which is almost as likely to be accessible as a machine that has usb networking properly set up for the neo, in my experience |
| 22:17.07 | Kensan | wurp2: of course bt should work too. |
| 22:17.12 | wurp2 | in that the only time either one are available is at my house :-) |
| 22:17.36 | wurp2 | s/ are / is / |
| 22:21.23 | cb22 | bleh, the latency on gprs kills all hopes of voip through it :( |
| 22:21.46 | anrp | nod |
| 22:22.16 | anrp | the only way to do realtime data is really with csd (or wifi/bt) |
| 22:22.36 | anrp | the good ol dialup |
| 22:22.44 | cb22 | csd is bleg |
| 22:22.59 | anrp | but it does provide 9.6kbit of low latency bw D: |
| 22:23.01 | cb22 | you pay normall call rates, so why bother then |
| 22:23.11 | cb22 | yay! speex at 2kbit/s |
| 22:23.26 | Kensan | cb22: international calls |
| 22:23.30 | anrp | its actually 9.6kbit (minus data dropouts because the channel is error corrected) |
| 22:23.33 | Kensan | cb22: roaming kills puppies |
| 22:23.52 | cb22 | and kittens too |
| 22:24.10 | anrp | numerous folks in the us have free nights and weekends or other similar arrangements |
| 22:24.10 | cb22 | Voip call over GPRS: |
| 22:24.14 | cb22 | me> Hello! |
| 22:24.18 | cb22 | <2 seconds later> |
| 22:24.24 | cb22 | other person> Hi! |
| 22:24.50 | cb22 | anrp: here in south africa, using your phone normally kills puppies |
| 22:24.52 | wurp2 | stupid Q: what is csd? |
| 22:24.58 | cb22 | using gprs, on the otherhand, kills kittens |
| 22:24.59 | anrp | circuit switched data |
| 22:25.02 | wurp2 | I see that it's networking at 9.6 kbits over gsm |
| 22:25.10 | cb22 | wurp2: think of idalup over gsm |
| 22:25.14 | anrp | basically reserve a phone call slot and pass data instead of the gsm voice data |
| 22:25.17 | cb22 | there is also hscsd |
| 22:25.30 | cb22 | whats the latency on csd like? |
| 22:25.34 | wurp2 | is it something the carrier has to support, or is it just a modem style format that goes over regular gsm call circuits? |
| 22:25.41 | anrp | whatever the underlying network latency is |
| 22:25.44 | mjr | you bother with csd because you can get proper encryption |
| 22:25.44 | anrp | i.e. same as a phone call |
| 22:25.50 | anrp | nod |
| 22:26.07 | anrp | neo doesn't have hscsd.. |
| 22:26.08 | anrp | sadly |
| 22:26.10 | anrp | 14.4kbit! |
| 22:26.13 | cb22 | yay, encrypted phone calls :) |
| 22:26.19 | anrp | or more, if you make 4 phone calls at once |
| 22:26.48 | anrp | the carrier has to allow it, it can be denied by the operator |
| 22:26.48 | Kensan | cb22: check out OSvS on the wiki |
| 22:27.02 | anrp | but otherwise it's a phone call, with special provisions to talk to the pots network |
| 22:27.07 | Kensan | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OSvS |
| 22:27.15 | wurp2 | anrp: OK, does the phone hw also have to allow it, or can it be implemented through software? |
| 22:27.18 | cb22 | yeah, i've seen it |
| 22:27.26 | anrp | er, the network has to allow it |
| 22:27.30 | anrp | its part of the gsm standard |
| 22:27.30 | Kensan | i posted a link about bandwidth vs latency: http://documents.made-it.com/VoIP/#AEN273 |
| 22:27.57 | cb22 | speex can do voice coding at 2.5kbit/s |
| 22:27.59 | wurp2 | cool, thx much |
| 22:28.02 | anrp | csd is what happens when you make a data call with a gsm phone (a non *99# call) |
| 22:28.20 | wurp2 | oic |
| 22:29.08 | cb22 | i wrote a simple encrypted sms app in python awhile ago |
| 22:29.19 | Kensan | cb22: are there any other people "semi-seriously" interested in this? |
| 22:29.44 | Kensan | cb22: any ongoing projects? |
| 22:30.07 | cb22 | not atm, i managed to delete half my home directory :( |
| 22:30.14 | anrp | hears an oops |
| 22:30.18 | cb22 | i'm sure there are |
| 22:30.21 | cb22 | curses tab |
| 22:30.29 | SpeedEvil | cbrake_away: power off and recover it |
| 22:30.33 | SpeedEvil | cb22: |
| 22:30.36 | Kensan | hm |
| 22:30.38 | SpeedEvil | tab problems are bad. |
| 22:30.40 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: it was a while ago |
| 22:30.43 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 22:30.51 | cb22 | SpeedEvil: yeah, you suffer from colon problems :p |
| 22:30.58 | anrp | so, just recover off your latest backup |
| 22:31.02 | anrp | no big deal, right? |
| 22:31.02 | SpeedEvil | No, that's flyback. |
| 22:31.06 | anrp | ...<silence>,,, |
| 22:31.28 | cb22 | anrp: *note to self* dont store backups in home directory in future |
| 22:31.36 | anrp | oh... whoops ~_~ |
| 22:31.49 | Kensan | cb22: that does not qualify as a backup |
| 22:31.58 | anrp | it might, if it was mounted |
| 22:32.09 | Kensan | cb22: there's some part about "different physical medium" I think ;) |
| 22:32.20 | cb22 | wasnt really backuos, was more of 'snapshot-from-previous-date' |
| 22:33.11 | cb22 | thinks that the phone app, and messages app, and calendar app even should be modular |
| 22:33.50 | cb22 | they can use all different back ends, like messages could send an sms via a websms gateway, or via another phone connected via bt, or via email |
| 22:34.43 | cb22 | same with phone, it can makes calls over gsm sure, but there could be an encrypted csd backend, or a normal sip backend |
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| 22:35.30 | cb22 | </feature rant> |
| 22:36.00 | anrp | "normal" |
| 22:36.05 | anrp | i like the way you pit it |
| 22:36.10 | anrp | *put |
| 22:36.23 | cb22 | heh |
| 22:36.47 | cb22 | SIP over WiFi, how much more normal do you want =) |
| 22:38.03 | Robot101 | cb22: like the telepathy framework or something? :) |
| 22:38.28 | cb22 | Robot101: that sounds like it indeed |
| 22:38.54 | Robot101 | tell them to reply to my mails or something, eh... :) |
| 22:39.03 | cb22 | hehe |
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| 22:43.39 | cb22 | thinks |
| 22:43.50 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: ping |
| 22:43.53 | cb22 | whats the max one could get with gprs with a neo? |
| 22:44.42 | ahven | ~8Kb |
| 22:44.50 | mjr | bw? 80kbps theoretically |
| 22:45.55 | cb22 | think freerunner would be able to play back h264 video at 320-240 at really low bitrates? |
| 22:46.16 | zash | 80kbps? |
| 22:46.20 | cb22 | less |
| 22:46.23 | ahven | umm..the video is kindof crappy with EDGE |
| 22:46.37 | ahven | so I doubt that |
| 22:46.41 | zash | more like 53Kbps |
| 22:47.02 | mjr | you talking streaming video? Nuh-huh |
| 22:47.15 | anrp | well a video stream at 53 kilobit? |
| 22:47.18 | anrp | i dunno, i think it could |
| 22:47.24 | anrp | but what kind of video compresses that much? |
| 22:47.34 | zash | gprr =~ 53-ish kbps afaik |
| 22:47.49 | zash | s/gprr/gprs |
| 22:47.51 | cb22 | fires up ffmpeg quickly |
| 22:48.16 | zash | but |
| 22:48.42 | zash | what about 0.25 * VGA |
| 22:48.53 | zash | or |
| 22:48.54 | zash | hm |
| 22:49.05 | cb22 | 160x120? |
| 22:49.06 | zash | qqvga |
| 22:49.21 | anrp | at that point i'm not sure why you'd bother |
| 22:49.28 | anrp | thats seriously low resolution.. |
| 22:49.29 | zash | its a small screen |
| 22:49.31 | SpeedEvil | 160*120 is actually not bad |
| 22:49.33 | SpeedEvil | on 2.8" |
| 22:49.48 | SpeedEvil | it's only 85dpi |
| 22:50.03 | anrp | but without filtering it would look nasty scaled |
| 22:50.04 | SpeedEvil | which is most of what your desktop screen does. |
| 22:50.08 | anrp | although i suppose the glamo would filter it |
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| 22:56.58 | spydon | no community updates :'( |
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| 22:57.55 | wurp2 | It's been a while, hasn't it |
| 22:58.06 | spydon | more then a month :( |
| 22:58.14 | wurp2 | Although we kind of get them in the community mailing list, from steve |
| 23:01.44 | cb22 | hmm hmm hmm |
| 23:02.51 | cb22 | 750kb for a 2min50 video |
| 23:03.03 | cb22 | with xvid |
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| 23:04.47 | SpeedEvil | cbrake_away: does it play on your moko? |
| 23:05.09 | cb22 | i dont have one :( |
| 23:05.34 | SpeedEvil | dcc me the file, and I'll see |
| 23:05.46 | cb22 | wait a sec, i want to try an x264 version quickly |
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| 23:32.24 | cb22 | ok, for the interested: http://cb22.za.net/videos/ |
| 23:32.50 | cb22 | theres a 320x240 video there, encoded using x264. quality doesnt seem too bad. 1 minute long, 425kb |
| 23:32.55 | cb22 | 435* |
| 23:33.06 | cb22 | that would need 7.2kb/s |
| 23:33.16 | cb22 | 15fps too |
| 23:36.19 | SpeedEvil | mp3 at 8kbit/s sucks |
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| 23:36.36 | cb22 | indeed |
| 23:36.40 | SpeedEvil | Ok - 14s cpu time on a PII/300 |
| 23:37.58 | cb22 | btw, there is also a test160.avi up |
| 23:38.35 | cb22 | the same thing, but encoded at 160x120. imo it looks better |
| 23:39.00 | SpeedEvil | hears something faint at the other side of the room. |
| 23:40.06 | SpeedEvil | real 1m 26.75s |
| 23:40.08 | SpeedEvil | on the neo |
| 23:40.39 | cb22 | hmm, too slow :( |
| 23:41.28 | cb22 | poor thing, the h264 must be murder |
| 23:42.24 | SpeedEvil | trying other |
| 23:42.43 | mickeyl | summatusmentis: pong |
| 23:43.22 | SpeedEvil | cb22: user 0m 38.99s |
| 23:43.28 | cb22 | on the neo? |
| 23:43.31 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 23:43.35 | SpeedEvil | for the 160 |
| 23:43.43 | cb22 | booya :) |
| 23:44.10 | SpeedEvil | tryig scaling |
| 23:44.25 | SpeedEvil | Of course - this is without actually looking at the video output. |
| 23:44.40 | SpeedEvil | As to do that I'd have to get out of bed away from my hot water bottle. |
| 23:44.50 | cb22 | hehe |
| 23:45.01 | SpeedEvil | it's given the mplayer 'slow' thing |
| 23:45.04 | SpeedEvil | so it's not keeping up |
| 23:45.11 | cb22 | with scaling? |
| 23:45.51 | SpeedEvil | 1:39 (with scaling) |
| 23:45.56 | SpeedEvil | (to 320:240) |
| 23:46.17 | zash | hm |
| 23:46.33 | cb22 | the glamo "should" do hardware scaling right? |
| 23:46.52 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 23:46.58 | SpeedEvil | and dct in hardware |
| 23:47.02 | zash | what if you set the screen i qvga-mode? |
| 23:47.17 | cb22 | its a qqvga video |
| 23:47.33 | zash | so only one q to scale |
| 23:47.36 | zash | vs qq |
| 23:47.37 | zash | ... |
| 23:47.39 | zash | lol |
| 23:47.41 | cb22 | hehe |
| 23:47.43 | cb22 | true |
| 23:47.46 | SpeedEvil | I was scaling to 320*240 |
| 23:48.00 | SpeedEvil | 640*480 requires lots more |
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| 23:48.44 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: would you mind looking at a non-gsmd, pro-odeviced version of my application? |
| 23:49.39 | mickeyl | sure. got a link? |
| 23:49.47 | cb22 | thinks he shall ponder in his sleep |
| 23:49.55 | cb22 | thanks for the testing SpeedEvil! |
| 23:50.07 | SpeedEvil | cbrake_away: IIRC mpeg1 diddn't actually come out too badly at 160*120 |
| 23:50.14 | SpeedEvil | cb22: I have some test files that I did |
| 23:50.39 | SpeedEvil | Though using 'Grand Designs' rather than a rap video. |
| 23:50.53 | cb22 | heh =) thats a rip off of a rap video |
| 23:51.19 | SpeedEvil | Ah - I couldn't tell. :) |
| 23:51.30 | cb22 | yeah, mp3 is terrible |
| 23:51.34 | cb22 | (at 8kbit) |
| 23:51.49 | SpeedEvil | at 8kbit - even 1 bit 8Khz filtered beats it. |
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| 23:52.51 | playya_ | is someone working on this part: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Voice_Mailbox |
| 23:54.35 | playya_ | might be interesting for SoC for me |
| 23:54.52 | playya_ | if this task is complex enough |
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| 23:59.20 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:59.33 | SpeedEvil | but I'm not one that's deciding this sort of things. |
