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| 00:00.22 | josch | if I should die tomorow I wrote down everything here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian |
| 00:00.32 | josch | morning k-s ! :-) |
| 00:00.46 | k-s | josch: hey! |
| 00:01.16 | rwhitby | josch: nice work |
| 00:01.21 | josch | k-s, learned about evas cache a few days ago... it speeds things up alot ^^ |
| 00:01.41 | josch | rwhitby, yeah just one more step for the touchscreen! |
| 00:02.13 | josch | after x works I will switch to directfb with since evas is lot faster than than with x11 |
| 00:02.26 | josch | -with |
| 00:02.32 | josch | -than |
| 00:02.34 | josch | -.- |
| 00:02.39 | josch | have go get some sleep... |
| 00:03.00 | anrp | debootstrap ftw |
| 00:03.57 | k-s | gotta go |
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| 00:24.01 | josch | partly fixed the touchscreen problem by rotating x and not the touchscreen :P |
| 00:24.07 | josch | now having to calibrate it |
| 00:24.13 | josch | have to figure out how |
| 00:27.46 | abraxa_ | josch: xtscal? |
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| 00:30.24 | josch | i thought the app was named ts_calibrate in openmoko |
| 00:31.45 | abraxa_ | Both work ;3 |
| 00:32.52 | josch | puh... und ich wollte vor vier stunden im bett sein... :-D |
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| 00:37.24 | abraxa_ | Tja ;) |
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| 00:38.25 | josch | the touchscreen in openmoko has to be already calibrated on install |
| 00:38.37 | josch | can I find the correct values anywhere? |
| 00:39.42 | josch | maybe this content of /etc/ts.conf is of help? |
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| 00:45.55 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: you around? |
| 00:46.42 | josch_ | summatusmentis, he is probably sleeping right now as it is nearly 2am here ^^ |
| 00:47.07 | summatusmentis | oh, god, my bad |
| 00:47.42 | summatusmentis | hmm... this summer of code app is gonna suck |
| 00:48.33 | SpeedEvil | 8 pounds a day for congestion charge for example |
| 00:48.35 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 00:49.00 | summatusmentis | I agree, outrageous |
| 00:52.13 | josch | could anybody past me his /etc/ts.conf ? |
| 00:52.28 | josch | if not I'm going to bed now :P |
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| 00:53.42 | SpeedEvil | josch: it's quite large - so no |
| 00:53.46 | SpeedEvil | josch: dcc work? |
| 00:53.58 | josch | SpeedEvil, it's large? |
| 00:54.03 | josch | why not use nopaste? |
| 00:54.27 | SpeedEvil | actually - http://www.mauve.plus.com/ts.conf |
| 00:54.29 | josch | dcc should work too |
| 00:54.33 | josch | ah thx! |
| 00:54.35 | SpeedEvil | By large - I mean too large to paste |
| 00:55.05 | SpeedEvil | this is a somewhat old image |
| 00:55.13 | josch | hrm.. |
| 00:55.26 | josch | do you happen to know where the calibration data gets stored? |
| 00:55.38 | josch | this ts.conf looks exactly like the default one |
| 00:56.09 | SpeedEvil | I think it's in /etc/pointercal |
| 00:56.10 | SpeedEvil | -67 36365 -2733100 -48253 -310 45219816 65536 |
| 00:56.13 | SpeedEvil | is an example file |
| 00:56.18 | josch | ah right! |
| 00:56.29 | SpeedEvil | ts_calibrate should generate |
| 00:56.30 | josch | completely forgot ^^ |
| 00:56.53 | josch | I shouldnt need ts_calibrate if I get a file from an already working openmoko istallation |
| 00:57.18 | SpeedEvil | Well - your toucscreen will be off |
| 00:57.34 | SpeedEvil | But it should generally sort-of-work. |
| 00:57.56 | summatusmentis | was there someone else that worked w/ mickeyl on GSoC? |
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| 01:01.12 | josch | SpeedEvil, wohoooo! |
| 01:01.22 | josch | your pointercal fixed EVERYTHING!! |
| 01:01.30 | josch | it also did the rotation thingy ^^ |
| 01:01.45 | josch | okay - debian guide 100% complete now! |
| 01:01.51 | josch | mission accompished |
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| 01:02.15 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 01:03.34 | CVirus | josch: Debian guide ? |
| 01:04.27 | josch | CVirus, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Debian |
| 01:04.31 | josch | debian on neo1973 |
| 01:04.34 | josch | works perfect now |
| 01:04.44 | josch | install a whole desktop environment if you like ^^ |
| 01:05.05 | summatusmentis | KDE? |
| 01:05.08 | summatusmentis | :) |
| 01:05.33 | josch | yeah also kde |
| 01:05.53 | SpeedEvil | josch: SD image please with means of starting a seperate VT for debian under chroot. :) |
| 01:05.57 | josch | this enables you to run a full desktop distro - it's silly but works now ^^ |
| 01:06.00 | summatusmentis | I guess I'm gonna fake my way through this summer of code application, hm |
| 01:06.26 | josch | SpeedEvil, another sd image is coming soon... :-D |
| 01:06.30 | josch | heading for bed now |
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| 01:06.36 | josch | everything accomplished |
| 01:06.42 | josch | can sleep well now ^^ |
| 01:06.47 | summatusmentis | lol |
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| 01:22.55 | Qwell | josch: nice |
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| 03:35.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1296 has been created by graeme(AT)openmoko.org |
| 03:35.02 | cdbot2 | * * After time Xglamo takes 100% cpu |
| 03:35.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1296 |
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| 03:58.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1297 has been created by tick(AT)openmoko.com |
| 03:58.02 | cdbot2 | * * ipkg-utils lacks package size |
| 03:58.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1297 |
| 04:03.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1298 has been created by tick(AT)openmoko.com |
| 04:03.01 | cdbot2 | * * A new tag "Tags:" request |
| 04:03.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1298 |
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| 04:57.49 | mohan | i have problem to run openmoko/flash.sh.i have small doubt about .bin file any one can help me |
| 05:01.37 | mohan | my problem mensioned here http://rafb.net/paste/index.html |
| 05:01.47 | mohan | #opnmoko |
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| 05:21.11 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: ping |
| 05:23.07 | rwhitby | mohan: the url you gave does not point to your paste |
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| 05:25.54 | mohan | sorry my problem is solved thanks |
| 05:27.25 | mohan | qemu is flashing now |
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| 05:39.44 | freeper | Hi, my name is Steve, sorry for being off topic but I'm interest in gsoc |
| 05:39.55 | freeper | are there are any mentors here that I can talk to? |
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| 05:42.48 | Cap_J_L_Picard | freeper: Unlikely at this time of day, but the community ML is a good bet (read the archives too. |
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| 05:43.42 | freeper | thanks cap |
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| 06:48.35 | josch | summatusmentis, well it was at least slight possible that mickeyl would be awake 2am tonight but i can assure you that it is *impossible* that he is awake now (8am) :-D |
| 06:49.36 | josch | he mostly comes only in the times of afternoon - so maybe you should check back in 6 hours or so if you want to catch him |
| 06:49.52 | josch | -only |
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| 06:58.26 | mohan | qemu is flashing my PC but i can't select boot option how to select |
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| 06:58.59 | mohan | i run arm-softmmu/qemu-system-arm -M gta01 -m 130 -mtdblock openmoko/openmoko-flash.image -kernel openmoko/openmoko-kernel.bin -usb -show-cursor |
| 06:59.28 | mohan | enter key only works my PC |
| 07:00.28 | mohan | any one can help me to select boot option |
| 07:01.25 | josch | mohan, use space |
| 07:02.00 | mohan | ya works fine thanks |
| 07:10.39 | mohan | hi when i select boot i boots but displaying error continuously error is: |
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| 07:11.28 | mohan | error carbage collection node at 02d3c000! |
| 07:12.10 | mohan | jffs2_flush_wbuf():write failed with -5 |
| 07:13.15 | mohan | this the error this error repeats anything going wrong |
| 07:14.16 | mohan | i am selected boot first option is it correct |
| 07:14.46 | josch | maybe your rootfs is damaged? |
| 07:14.57 | mohan | what can i do |
| 07:15.02 | josch | rebuild it? |
| 07:15.15 | mohan | from first |
| 07:15.22 | josch | dont know - I'm no qemu user |
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| 07:16.26 | mohan | any other can help |
| 07:18.53 | mohan | joschh:what emulator you are using |
| 07:19.08 | josch | mohan, hahaha |
| 07:19.20 | josch | i have a *real* neo (tm) |
| 07:19.24 | josch | ;) |
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| 07:19.37 | josch | ported debian to it last night |
| 07:19.47 | mohan | i am also have real neo developer kit |
| 07:19.48 | josch | well *ported* ^^ |
| 07:20.08 | josch | mohan, what do you want to develop? |
| 07:20.14 | josch | maybe you dont need qemu? |
| 07:20.19 | josch | (as it sucks) |
| 07:20.26 | mohan | i have some idea |
| 07:20.44 | mohan | but i want to work on openmoko |
| 07:20.48 | josch | just know that 99% of the apps do not need openmoko |
| 07:20.53 | josch | they will run on every linux |
| 07:21.09 | josch | you can even have the openmoko gtk theme on you desktop |
| 07:21.35 | josch | and if you want to do hardware stuff, then qemu is useless anyway |
| 07:21.52 | josch | what do you want to do? |
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| 07:22.20 | mohan | i want to contribute wifi device driver |
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| 07:23.48 | josch | mohan, i dont know if qemu has what you want |
| 07:24.33 | josch | mohan, an as I heard wifi is already working as you would expect to work on a desktop (iwconfig, ifup, etc...) |
| 07:27.34 | mohan | josch:i want to contribute openmoko what can i do? |
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| 07:28.59 | josch | mohan, I think I'm the wrong person to speak to, since I'm only a casual contributor and not someone big in the community - maybe just wat till others are awake ^^ |
| 07:31.11 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r96 10/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd/src/gsm0710muxd.c: minor kosmetic changes |
| 07:31.37 | mohan | i am new to openmoko |
| 07:31.38 | mohan | i am started from last 4 days |
| 07:33.13 | josch | started a year ago ^^ |
| 07:33.35 | XorA | started a long long time ago |
| 07:33.39 | josch | hrhr |
| 07:33.47 | josch | mohan, yeah! ask XorA ! |
| 07:33.52 | josch | :P |
| 07:36.24 | mohan | josch:i have neo1973 how to update new application to it |
| 07:36.25 | mohan | my phone terminal kerboard is not installed |
| 07:36.25 | mohan | how to install it |
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| 07:37.25 | josch | mohan, openmoko-terminal2 ? |
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| 07:37.43 | josch | dont know much about the openmoko apps |
| 07:37.58 | josch | I'm with the underground guys: http://neo1973-germany.de/ :P |
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| 07:51.02 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03werner * r4243 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (gta02-sound-bandaid.patch series): |
| 07:51.02 | CIA-17 | openmoko: A temporary work-around for |
| 07:51.02 | CIA-17 | openmoko: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1172 |
| 07:53.30 | emdete | mohan: just login to the neo via ssh and install software from there |
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| 07:56.23 | josch | emdete, he has no neo |
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| 07:56.36 | josch | he uses qemu and it's not working |
| 07:56.53 | emdete | ...ssh not working? oups... |
| 07:57.17 | josch | no |
| 07:57.21 | josch | qemu is not working |
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| 08:05.53 | pandian | good day everybody |
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| 08:08.47 | pandian | was known as antony yesterday |
| 08:09.14 | pandian | abraxa_: thanks a lot for your help yesterday. xlsfonts did work in my moko. |
| 08:16.26 | pandian | from where can i get larger fonts for openmoko?? |
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| 08:17.06 | XorA | just change the font size |
| 08:17.25 | pandian | how can i do that using gtk?? |
| 08:18.05 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 08:18.07 | pandian | i am loading fonts using the API gdk_font_load("-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1"); |
| 08:19.12 | josch | maybe by changing -dpi on startx? |
| 08:20.12 | pandian | but that will be changing the resolution of my screen. right?? |
| 08:20.29 | josch | no only the dpi |
| 08:23.09 | pandian | can you tell me the place where i need to change the dpi> |
| 08:23.11 | pandian | *? |
| 08:23.48 | josch | would have to search myself - maybe in the init files? |
| 08:24.54 | pandian | oh! |
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| 08:45.51 | TRIsoft | morning |
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| 08:52.59 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03werner * r4244 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/smedia-glamo.patch: (log message trimmed) |
| 08:52.59 | CIA-17 | openmoko: Subject: [PATCH] fix-glamo-reissue-memory-settings-during-resume.patch |
| 08:52.59 | CIA-17 | openmoko: The "black snow" effect after resume seems to be caused by the |
| 08:52.59 | CIA-17 | openmoko: memory in the glamo needing to be reset after the |
| 08:52.59 | CIA-17 | openmoko: "deep power down". This patch rewrites a subset of registers in |
| 08:53.03 | CIA-17 | openmoko: that area on resume (reinitializing them all destroys the video |
| 08:53.05 | CIA-17 | openmoko: output action) and removes the black snow issue. |
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| 09:24.24 | pandian | was known as antony yesterday |
| 09:31.58 | pandian | how do i instal new fonts in openmoko? |
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| 09:45.13 | mohan | how do i install keyboard to type command at terminal on my neo1973 development kit? |
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| 09:48.43 | mohan | can any one tell me |
| 09:49.15 | SpeedEvil | You mean bluetooth? |
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| 09:50.50 | mohan | i connected via ssh root@192.168.0.200 |
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| 09:52.14 | niklauz | any news about alternative or custom shells yet? |
| 09:52.29 | SpeedEvil | niklauz: no |
| 09:52.40 | SpeedEvil | mohan: and? |
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| 09:53.31 | DPThought | hi all |
| 09:53.42 | pandian | hello |
| 09:53.59 | Xx13 | mohan: did you connect to 192.168.0.202? |
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| 09:54.50 | mohan | yes |
| 09:56.11 | mohan | my problem is to install keyboard layout |
| 09:56.21 | niklauz | anyone know how tricky it would be switch the casevwith a new one? im wondering is it something i ccan safely do myself |
| 09:56.50 | mohan | opkg install -force-depends multitap-pad,it not works |
| 09:58.50 | SpeedEvil | niklauz: pretty easy |
| 09:59.16 | SpeedEvil | niklauz: you need to unscrew a couple of screws, and that's it. |
| 09:59.41 | SpeedEvil | mohan: sorry - unsure. You've setup the route so that the neo can access the net? |
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| 10:01.49 | DPThought | is there a way to safely 'ipkg upgrade' my moko without running into 'out of disk space' errors? Seems like it trashes itself with it's temp files. |
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| 10:02.05 | DPThought | Or how can i clean the temp files when this happens |
| 10:02.08 | XorA | put /tmp on SD |
| 10:03.02 | niklauz | speedevil, cool! how much $ should i expecct to pay for one? (probably to early to tell im guessingg) |
| 10:03.23 | SpeedEvil | DPThought: search ipkg link |
| 10:03.29 | SpeedEvil | DPThought: on the wiki |
| 10:04.17 | SpeedEvil | niklauz: whatever anyone can sell them for. Do you mean simply cosmetic - different colors? |
| 10:05.59 | DPThought | SpeedEvil: nice. Can i use the installed packages from SD after reflashing? Probably not, but sounds like neat idea. :) |
| 10:06.06 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 10:06.19 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 10:06.19 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 10:06.32 | SpeedEvil | Or rather - I'm unsure. |
| 10:06.55 | mjr | Well. You must ipkg-link them back to the root fs for transparent use |
| 10:07.04 | niklauz | speedevil, im hoping the cad release will deliver something cool .its totally anticipatory ;-) |
| 10:07.33 | SpeedEvil | niklauz: As I understand it, none of the common rapid prototyper materials will be adequate for it. |
| 10:07.39 | DPThought | it's prbably what ipkg-link mount does. But if ipgk works only a little bit like dpgk there would be still many meta data issing after that. |
| 10:07.50 | DPThought | unsure too :) |
| 10:08.00 | SpeedEvil | niklauz: this means pretty much that the individual expense per-case will be high. |
| 10:08.06 | mjr | it stores the metadata on the fs where it installs |
| 10:08.10 | mjr | (at least) |
| 10:08.30 | SpeedEvil | niklauz: I can make you a case for $5 in any colour you'd like. |
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| 10:08.42 | SpeedEvil | niklauz: if you order 10000. |
| 10:08.55 | DPThought | ok, is there any reason why i sould not use a propper filesystem on /media/card? I would hate to instal stuff on vfat. |
| 10:09.09 | niklauz | speedevi, oh so it is at least partially impractical. i hadnt considered that |
| 10:09.10 | SpeedEvil | DPThought: nope - ext2 works |
| 10:09.24 | DPThought | SpeedEvil: great. thank you |
| 10:09.30 | SpeedEvil | niklauz: the moulds are bloody expensive |
| 10:09.38 | SpeedEvil | niklauz: for injection moulding. |
| 10:09.54 | SpeedEvil | niklauz: and that's really the only way to make good cases cheap. |
| 10:10.11 | niklauz | good to know, i can love the default case so no loss |
| 10:11.45 | niklauz | is eager |
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| 10:23.27 | DPThought | cdc_ether behaves strange on my host when i leave a ssh session open and disconnect the neo. If anyone wonders, just close the session before disconnecting. ;) |
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| 10:31.08 | SpeedEvil | works for me |
| 10:31.23 | SpeedEvil | Session just resumes |
| 10:33.18 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4245 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/unsolicited.c: gsmd: fix clip & colp parser problem (Erin Yueh) |
| 10:42.17 | wibbit | Wow, last "community update" dates back to the 25th of feb |
| 10:42.44 | wibbit | Wasn't some one hired who's main role (or at least partial main role) was liaising with the community and keeping it updated? |
| 10:43.08 | ScaredyCat | points wildly |
| 10:43.46 | SpeedEvil | wibbit: They were killed in a tragic accident, while playing leapfrog with a unicorn. |
| 10:44.04 | wibbit | SpeedEvil: Some thing tell's me you may be pulling my leg |
| 10:45.13 | cb22 | wibbit: see the latest email from steve too |
| 10:45.48 | wibbit | cb22: on the announce mailing list? |
| 10:46.03 | SpeedEvil | hates the random scattering of new info around everywhere. |
| 10:46.15 | SpeedEvil | Not to mention the lack of new info. |
| 10:46.40 | cb22 | wibbit: nope, announce |
| 10:46.44 | cb22 | argh |
| 10:46.46 | cb22 | community* |
| 10:47.00 | SpeedEvil | Someone needs to tie up each developer when they first get in for that week, and not let them go until they write a line of status. |
| 10:47.10 | cb22 | opentwitter |
| 10:47.19 | SpeedEvil | Rope. |
| 10:47.24 | SpeedEvil | Nice thick hemp rope. |
| 10:47.31 | cb22 | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-March/014361.html |
| 10:47.33 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 10:50.53 | wibbit | shakes head |
| 10:51.32 | wibbit | So, we have information appearing on the announce mailing list, community mailing list AND the community_updates page, and then well, randomly else where |
| 10:51.33 | wibbit | lovely |
| 10:52.36 | wibbit | So, the PVT (basically making sure that the device can be mass produced reliably, I'm assuming) is about to commence. |
| 10:52.40 | wibbit | Sound about right? |
| 10:53.33 | SpeedEvil | sounds like it |
| 10:53.45 | SpeedEvil | It sounds - to me. |
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| 10:54.04 | SpeedEvil | Like the stage they've completed is 4-5 maybe on a very manual process |
| 10:54.15 | SpeedEvil | basically manual pick and place with little automation |
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| 10:54.23 | SpeedEvil | this is to verify that the design is sane |
| 10:54.35 | SpeedEvil | and has no really unexpected oopses |
| 10:55.11 | SpeedEvil | then they pull the trigger on a small production run, to make sure that there are no surprises on a small run, before going to a larger one. |
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| 11:02.23 | wibbit | That sounds like it could be 6 weeks off |
| 11:02.23 | wibbit | :( |
| 11:02.27 | cb22 | hopes the ordering time will be less then 01 |
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| 11:08.59 | CoreDump|afk | I'm still trying to decide if I should by a GTA02 or not, |
| 11:10.08 | zash | why buy a phone when you can spend all your money on drugs and hookers |
| 11:10.24 | CoreDump|afk | I don't do drugs or hookers =) |
| 11:10.54 | edistar_ | CoreDump|afk: then buy a phone :) |
| 11:10.57 | CoreDump|afk | an EEE PC OTOH is about the same price and I'd probably get more use out of it =) |
| 11:11.22 | Gottox | then buy an eee and leave the channel :) |
| 11:11.41 | CoreDump|afk | points at his GTA01 |
| 11:11.49 | cb22 | CoreDump|afk: i had the same dilemah |
| 11:12.13 | cb22 | i made a choice. why get a eee OR a freerunner when i can get a eee AND a freerunner :) |
| 11:12.15 | zash | CoreDump|afk: buy a olpc and transplant the screen onto the neo |
| 11:12.31 | zash | that would be win |
| 11:12.33 | CoreDump|afk | cb22: good choice |
| 11:12.49 | CoreDump|afk | Zanoi_: heh, I kinda like neos form factor as it is |
| 11:13.25 | ScaredyCat | wtf! |
| 11:13.27 | CoreDump|afk | cb22: If I was a rich bastard, I'd go for that as well =) |
| 11:13.36 | ScaredyCat | just found an easter egg in om |
| 11:13.54 | cb22 | thinks easter eggs are easter eggs. |
| 11:14.03 | cb22 | i mean, why the hell does a bunny lay eggs |
| 11:14.24 | zash | CUS IT IS THE POPE |
| 11:14.29 | josch | could it be that the internal clock gets reset if I remove the battery? |
| 11:14.45 | CoreDump|afk | exactly, the guy "inventing" the easter bunny must have been on drugs... |
| 11:14.45 | cb22 | ZOMG LULZ CATHOLIC HAX! |
| 11:15.03 | CoreDump|afk | all hail the mighty easter chicken |
| 11:15.13 | cb22 | hail, hail! |
| 11:15.46 | cb22 | anything that helps you get laid. |
| 11:15.49 | cb22 | </badpun> |
| 11:15.56 | CoreDump|afk | amen =) |
| 11:16.02 | Robot101 | wow, you guys are on fine form today. :P |
| 11:16.32 | CoreDump|afk | time for more coffee |
| 11:16.34 | josch | could it be that the internal clock gets reset if I remove the battery? |
| 11:16.44 | ScaredyCat | :: press hold aux + quick click power |
| 11:17.43 | cb22 | lied about the eee, i'm really getting a u810 |
| 11:17.44 | ScaredyCat | maybe everyone knows about it... and I just missed it |
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| 11:21.34 | CoreDump|afk | cb22: well, can't follow you there. After the recent actions of the Nokia leadership I have sworn to never buy anything from Nokia ever again. |
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| 11:23.02 | ScaredyCat | looks at CoreDump|afk ... |
| 11:23.06 | ScaredyCat | wa? |
| 11:24.44 | cb22 | CoreDump|afk: its a fujitsu |
| 11:24.49 | CoreDump|afk | Nokia closes down entire plants in germany "because they didn't make _enough_ profit" (they weren't loosing money, just not making "enough" of it) to please its criminal friends on wallstreet |
| 11:24.54 | xcasex_ | oh come on. |
| 11:25.03 | CoreDump|afk | cb22: Oh sorry, thought that was a typo =) |
| 11:25.12 | cb22 | i dislike nokia |
| 11:25.19 | xcasex_ | dislike corporations all you want. |
| 11:25.22 | CoreDump|afk | high-fives cb22 |
| 11:25.35 | cb22 | xcasex_: thanks, i will |
| 11:25.47 | xcasex_ | but realise that they aren't into making a humane society. they're in it for the short-term buck. |
| 11:26.20 | CoreDump|afk | well, some show something that is called "social responsibility", some, kick it with their feets. I know which ones I support ;) |
| 11:26.54 | zash | noika phones seem to suck nowdays |
| 11:27.04 | cb22 | imagines playing bzflag on the u810. |
| 11:27.07 | cb22 | drools |
| 11:27.38 | cb22 | although my end goal is to have bzflag on the freerunner |
| 11:27.56 | cb22 | but i get the feeling huge bribes would need to be involved for opengl support |
| 11:28.02 | xcasex_ | :) |
| 11:28.05 | CoreDump|afk | =) |
| 11:28.17 | CoreDump|afk | cb22: wow, the u810 is a sweet _small_ machine! |
| 11:28.30 | CoreDump|afk | just a "wee" bit more expensive than the eee heh |
| 11:28.33 | cb22 | hehe |
| 11:29.11 | cb22 | whats your definition of a lot then |
| 11:29.16 | CoreDump|afk | definitely drool-worthy |
| 11:29.32 | CoreDump|afk | heh |
| 11:30.04 | cb22 | what i think would be the coolest however, would be bzflag on the freerunner, controlled with accelerometers |
| 11:30.19 | cb22 | so tilt the phone forward, tank goes forward, tilt back, tank reverses |
| 11:30.44 | CoreDump|afk | what can I say, if I had to get a new notebook, It would probably in the u810 price-range. |
| 11:31.00 | cb22 | CoreDump|afk: you in america? |
| 11:31.06 | CoreDump|afk | nah, germany |
| 11:31.17 | CoreDump|afk | ah that's $ |
| 11:31.24 | CoreDump|afk | slaps fore-head |
| 11:31.29 | cb22 | $3 = euro 2 :p |
| 11:31.34 | CoreDump|afk | !google 900 USD in EUR |
| 11:31.35 | cdbot2 | 900 U.S. dollars = 582.97707 Euros |
| 11:32.08 | wibbit | That's assuming there is a like for like conversion, but there rarely is |
| 11:32.08 | cb22 | is going on a google paid tripped to america in july :D |
| 11:32.22 | CoreDump|afk | cb22: sweet! |
| 11:32.29 | cb22 | buy, buy, buy, buy |
| 11:32.37 | CoreDump|afk | heh |
| 11:32.44 | cb22 | considering the prices are half that of the ones here in south africa |
| 11:32.51 | CoreDump|afk | are you working for google? |
| 11:33.00 | cb22 | heh, i wish |
| 11:33.03 | CoreDump|afk | =D |
| 11:33.17 | CoreDump|afk | so do I...at times anyway |
| 11:33.17 | cb22 | took part in ghop |
| 11:33.41 | cb22 | was chosen as the grand prize winner for moinmoin :D |
| 11:34.04 | CoreDump|afk | very nice! |
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| 11:36.55 | CoreDump|afk | The u810 would make a nice carputer |
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| 11:37.18 | CoreDump|afk | I wonder how well the 945GM chipset handles GL |
| 11:40.53 | cb22 | it can handle comiz-fusion |
| 11:44.20 | CoreDump|afk | good enough ;) |
| 11:48.31 | CoreDump|afk | heads to work, cya! |
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| 12:12.13 | ScaredyCat | cb22: surely making you go to google is a punishment... |
| 12:12.24 | ScaredyCat | .. at least for google it is. |
| 12:12.53 | cb22 | slaps ScaredyCat with a quad core xeon |
| 12:14.41 | cb22 | maybe the plan on brainwsahing us, and implanting us with nsa chips |
| 12:14.44 | cb22 | they* |
| 12:16.21 | ScaredyCat | yeah, probably - you are virus |
| 12:18.36 | josch | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ <= :-D |
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| 12:19.32 | cb22 | josch: haha nice |
| 12:19.37 | cb22 | hows the speed? |
| 12:20.04 | josch | cb22, quite impressive |
| 12:20.17 | josch | it's usable |
| 12:20.41 | josch | I will supply a ready to use image sooner or later so you guys can try it out without hassle |
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| 12:25.59 | cb22 | waits for debian to install on his server |
| 12:26.05 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r97 10/trunk/software/pyneod/ (15 files): |
| 12:26.05 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: step II towards OTAPI |
| 12:26.05 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: pygsmd now REQUIRES a muxer |
| 12:26.05 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: pygsmd simplified alot |
| 12:26.10 | ScaredyCat | spanks josch with a goat |
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| 12:27.18 | SpeedEvil | ScaredyCat: billy or nanny? And what breed? Enquiring minds want to know! |
| 12:27.31 | cb22 | thinks no gradients > gradients |
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| 12:28.05 | SpeedEvil | generally agrees. |
| 12:28.23 | SpeedEvil | Though stairs on motorways make driving harder. |
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| 12:28.47 | ScaredyCat | one of those fainting ones |
| 12:29.46 | SpeedEvil | Anyway - we need a herd of OM goats. |
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| 12:31.08 | ScaredyCat | of course I've heard of goats |
| 12:31.11 | wibbit | SpeedEvil: can we cook them? and have goat pie? |
| 12:31.22 | cb22 | i prefer wabbit pie |
| 12:31.33 | SpeedEvil | For predicting release dates. Hieromancy has a good history. |
| 12:32.40 | ScaredyCat | SpeedEvil has been replaced by a bot! |
| 12:32.56 | balrog-kun | hey, what's with the "OpenMoko" changed back to "Openmoko" bulk changes on the wiki? |
| 12:33.04 | balrog-kun | and also some pages are missing history |
| 12:33.13 | cb22 | Openmoko is the new name |
| 12:33.18 | balrog-kun | really? |
| 12:33.21 | cb22 | yep |
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| 12:33.29 | cb22 | theres a mail about it somewhere |
| 12:33.40 | ScaredyCat | yeah, lots of mail |
| 12:33.53 | balrog-kun | ah, i'm gonna grep the archives, thanks for pointer |
| 12:33.54 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:34.06 | balrog-kun | probably on the community list |
| 12:34.10 | ScaredyCat | oPenMoKO is better :P |
| 12:34.24 | cb22 | oPeNMoKo |
| 12:34.35 | webjames | !google define:Hieromancy |
| 12:34.36 | cb22 | or OpEnmOko |
| 12:34.36 | cdbot2 | Divination by interpreting sacrificial objects such as burnt offerings or slaughtered animals. Similar to aruspicy (interpretation of animal ... @ http://www.divinitydice.com/dictionary.htm ( http://www.google.com/search?hl=all&q=define:Hieromancy ) |
| 12:34.58 | ScaredyCat | !google spiderpig |
| 12:34.58 | cdbot2 | Sign in @ https://www.google.com/accounts/Login?continue=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=spiderpig&safe=off&btnG=Search&lr=lang_all&hl=en | <img src=http://img.youtube.com/vi/1R828 @ /url?q=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R828rFd2aI&sa=X&oi=video_result&resnum=3&ct=thumbnail&usg=AFQjCNFi-hhfCVw7xlNYm5NZdP6GPFf1RA | Spiderpig/Harry Plopper. Everything th @ http://www.spiderpig.org/%20class=l |
| 12:35.07 | balrog-kun | ah, the missing history is because the whole page was renamed also |
| 12:35.14 | cb22 | !google define:spiderpig |
| 12:35.16 | cdbot2 | Sorry, no search results were found. |
| 12:35.29 | ScaredyCat | http://www.spiderpig.org/ |
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| 12:35.54 | SpeedEvil | ponders a robot spiderpig. |
| 12:35.56 | balrog-kun | jeez, project name changes are very disturbing |
| 12:35.59 | cb22 | http://www.toomuchfreetime.com/ |
| 12:36.12 | webjames | what about cybermancy |
| 12:36.16 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4246 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/configure.ac: opkg: fix configure check for big-endian systems |
| 12:39.19 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4247 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/README: opkg: add README content, including website and mailing list details |
| 12:39.25 | ScaredyCat | "sabertooth foggily redevelop hysterophore assort mischaracterization saccharomycetes proctodaeal" |
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| 12:49.48 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r98 10/trunk/software/pyneod/gsm_sample.py: fixed the names in the sample to meet OTAPI |
| 12:51.41 | ScaredyCat | do we have a full dbus api yet? |
| 12:52.11 | emdete | ScaredyCat: what for? |
| 12:52.39 | ScaredyCat | everything... gsm, bt, gps... blah blah... |
| 12:52.47 | ScaredyCat | I mena in om emdete not your stuff :) |
| 12:52.58 | ScaredyCat | s/mena/mean/ |
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| 12:53.10 | emdete | ScaredyCat: hopefully that would be the same one day |
| 12:53.40 | ScaredyCat | did mickeyl fix the problem with building dinge? |
| 12:53.43 | emdete | ScaredyCat: gps is gypsy, bt has dbus, gsm is missing that |
| 12:54.00 | emdete | ScaredyCat: libgsmd has to fix that for om |
| 12:54.28 | emdete | 'dinge' contains a prototype gsmd using dbus and that api moves towards otapi |
| 12:56.33 | emdete | ScaredyCat: or.. what do you mean with 'fixing'? |
| 12:57.28 | ScaredyCat | builiding it sucks your machine into the bowls of the earth and turns over its procesing power to the NSA, then it segfaults |
| 12:58.08 | ScaredyCat | mickeyl was going bak through mtn to find where that started to happen |
| 12:58.27 | zedstar | will gypsy be dbus interface to the gps device in freerunner? |
| 12:58.43 | XorA | ScaredyCat: look at #oe its being discussed |
| 12:58.50 | emdete | zedstar: it should be a immediate fit, yes. |
| 12:59.25 | zedstar | emdete: ok good to know thanks |
| 13:00.25 | ScaredyCat | XorA: but now we're using om's mtn! |
| 13:00.29 | emdete | zedstar: problem are gui apps that use non-dbus, gpsd interface |
| 13:00.35 | ScaredyCat | you have to push the fix |
| 13:01.04 | ScaredyCat | or is zecke working directly on om's mtn? |
| 13:01.17 | XorA | ScaredyCat: I think zecke pushed the fix this morning .tw time |
| 13:02.09 | zedstar | emdete: yeh sure......been playing around with dbus and isnt too hard to learn though |
| 13:02.45 | ScaredyCat | k, testing now |
| 13:03.18 | emdete | zedstar: even if dbus does not implement everything i would like to have it's the best choice here. it really makes live easy |
| 13:04.16 | ScaredyCat | oh my |
| 13:04.22 | zedstar | emdete: i agree |
| 13:07.17 | ScaredyCat | ram gone... |
| 13:07.21 | ScaredyCat | cpu nearly gone |
| 13:11.12 | XorA | ScaredyCat: did you rebnuild edje-natice? |
| 13:11.22 | ScaredyCat | ahh |
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| 13:45.15 | ScaredyCat | just |
| 13:45.15 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:45.15 | ScaredyCat | | ../data/theme.edc \ |
| 13:45.15 | ScaredyCat | | ../data/theme.edj |
| 13:45.16 | ScaredyCat | | make[2]: *** [theme.edj] Segmentation fault |
| 13:45.20 | ScaredyCat | now XorA |
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| 13:50.59 | XorA | ScaredyCat: well blame zecke he told me it worked :-) |
| 13:51.31 | XorA | ScaredyCat: I have never managed to build anything E based, its such poor quality code :-( |
| 13:51.42 | ScaredyCat | lol.. |
| 13:51.52 | ScaredyCat | I've built it a few times... |
| 13:52.29 | DPThought | are there any decisions made yet how the system manages gps? Like a scenario where a app signals that it needs gps and some magic makes gpsd start and subsequently power up the gps device and on neo start gllin. I think this leads to a general system which starts backround deamons if apps need any functionality provided by them. Maemo has something called gpsmgr which seems to do something like this... |
| 13:52.43 | ScaredyCat | it does seem to get upset more often, but I think hte bigger problem is that noone seems to care that much about fixing those issues. The devs have their own environments |
| 13:53.32 | XorA | I was hoping to meat raster on this trip, but I think Ill leave just before he returns |
| 13:53.51 | ScaredyCat | DPThought: I would think that it's be good is apps just said "I wan to know what my gps coordinates and altitude are" and the gps 'system' provides it. |
| 13:53.52 | buz | please dont meat him :P |
| 13:53.59 | ScaredyCat | XorA: meat ? You perv |
| 13:54.03 | buz | we need him to work |
| 13:54.04 | buz | not be eaten |
| 13:54.13 | XorA | heheheheheheheheh |
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| 13:55.03 | DPThought | ScaredyCat: yea. But i think it would be haed to do this without gpsd. since it's pretty much standard. |
| 13:55.49 | DPThought | ScaredyCat: maybe let gpsd do the magic when someone opens a socket and shut it all down when the last socket is released. |
| 13:55.52 | XorA | I think the world of GPS on linux is so small at the moment if we made a new standard we could probably lead |
| 13:56.02 | DPThought | true |
| 13:56.04 | XorA | everyone who uses gpsd seems to express horror at it |
| 13:56.29 | ScaredyCat | I was thinking more along the lines of location bsed stuf, the location could come from tringulation or gps, or best guess type thing... |
| 13:56.32 | DPThought | and it seems to be nothing more than a NMEA dump via TCP. AFAIk |
| 13:56.59 | XorA | ScaredyCat: ggeneric positioning would be cool, but build in layers |
| 13:57.04 | ScaredyCat | so it might not be 100% all the time but it would give , at worst, a general location |
| 13:57.12 | ScaredyCat | yes.. |
| 13:57.51 | ScaredyCat | if a gps signal is available then it should be priority 1.. unless an app only wants a general location ... eg a suburb |
| 13:58.39 | XorA | ScaredyCat: in UK voda phone broadcast landline area code as Cell Broadcasts, its good for quick and nasty which section of town am I in :-) |
| 13:59.04 | DPThought | some apps need the full NMEA stream. with velocity and all that stuff. But as far as i understood NEMA we could easyli inject position datas drived from cell positioning. Pumping this all out via tcp to be compatible would not be hard at all. And apps that only need a update on the position some times could use a small dbus interface |
| 13:59.19 | ScaredyCat | yes, that would be useful, but you cna't do : if vodafone do if t-mobile do blah... |
| 13:59.26 | ScaredyCat | although,.... scripting it might be nice |
| 14:00.38 | DPThought | i could imagine a small multiplexer/proxy that gets the information feed in by many sources and delivers them to the apps. |
| 14:00.48 | ScaredyCat | yes... |
| 14:00.58 | zedstar | skyhook's sdk is pretty good for location but it is not open source....there are some maemo libraries for it |
| 14:01.19 | DPThought | gpsd seems to do something like that but is not very dynamic. Maybe patch gps so it could be feas NEMA streams via UDP... |
| 14:01.29 | ScaredyCat | I'm also thinking of an app to report cell id's + gps coordinates... to a server to build location stuff based on that |
| 14:01.29 | zedstar | when i tried it found outside my house....but im pretty sure they stole the location from wigle cos i uploaded stuff there before |
| 14:01.44 | ScaredyCat | there are some db's but getting them is pretty hard |
| 14:02.44 | emdete | ScaredyCat: pyneod contains that stuff already ;) |
| 14:03.13 | ScaredyCat | yea, but if I can't build an image... |
| 14:03.30 | emdete | ScaredyCat: i don't know about that. is this py or e related? |
| 14:03.38 | ScaredyCat | e |
| 14:03.50 | ScaredyCat | points up |
| 14:03.51 | emdete | is mickeyl around? |
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| 14:04.05 | ScaredyCat | not seen hom |
| 14:04.09 | ScaredyCat | him |
| 14:04.12 | ScaredyCat | !seen mickeyl |
| 14:04.13 | cdbot2 | ScaredyCat, mickeyl is right here! |
| 14:04.18 | ScaredyCat | useless bot |
| 14:04.26 | ScaredyCat | !lastspoke mickeyl |
| 14:04.28 | cdbot2 | mickeyl last uttered a word on #openmoko 23 hours, 10 minutes ago. |
| 14:04.36 | emdete | phew... |
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| 14:15.09 | DPThought | emdete: neat! It even collects data on udp. I hear me cream in joy 'no more silly gllin pipe!' *g* |
| 14:17.11 | summatusmentis | 23 hours ago? has mickeyl just disappeared off the face of the earth? |
| 14:17.18 | DPThought | :q |
| 14:17.30 | XorA | summatusmentis: it takes a while to fly brazil to germany |
| 14:17.33 | ScaredyCat | naa, he's a lazy mofo :P |
| 14:17.43 | summatusmentis | XorA: that's fair |
| 14:17.46 | XorA | summatusmentis: so I guess he has left the face of the earth :-) |
| 14:17.52 | ScaredyCat | he's already back afaik XorA |
| 14:18.01 | emdete | may be mickeyl disapeared in a snow-storm here in germany... |
| 14:18.23 | ScaredyCat | too many e's |
| 14:18.32 | ScaredyCat | that's what I reckon |
| 14:19.15 | XorA | E's are good, E's are good |
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| 14:19.42 | XorA | can see FreeRunner booting to some Shamen music :-) |
| 14:19.48 | XorA | s/see/hear/ |
| 14:20.34 | ScaredyCat | it's not when it's not building |
| 14:20.56 | DPThought | i wounder what the -gsm_cell options does for gllin. Does anyone know? |
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| 14:25.38 | balrog-kun | DPThought: i believe it gives gllin a better estimation of the initial position (before it catches any satellite signal) |
| 14:26.56 | emdete | DPThought: AGPS? |
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| 14:27.42 | DPThought | emdete: anything via gsm or just for a clue where it's position is via Country Code and so on? |
| 14:27.48 | dcordes | somebody able to help with qvga theming mess? |
| 14:27.54 | dcordes | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:28.03 | XorA | hey raster |
| 14:28.22 | raster | XorA: yoooow |
| 14:28.34 | emdete | DPThought: i'm not shure. there are a lot of things you can do to speedup the initial fix... |
| 14:28.46 | XorA | raster: so you not back in .tw this week then? |
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| 14:29.30 | thos | dcordes, that second attachement looks like the window manager is not running |
| 14:30.32 | dcordes | thos, possibly it didn't start again after I closed it. see comment |
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| 14:31.15 | dcordes | it's not only matchbox-wm-2 but also the gtk theme |
| 14:31.22 | dcordes | complete mess.. |
| 14:31.24 | raster | XorA: no... wsomeone thought i was going to be? |
| 14:32.03 | XorA | raster: I hoped you might be |
| 14:32.04 | dcordes | thos, integration of the small icons into normal icon package was a step in the right direction. thanks again |
| 14:32.20 | thos | dcordes, no problem |
| 14:32.51 | thos | dcordes, you don't specify in your bug what errors exist |
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| 14:32.57 | raster | XorA: i'm still in .br |
| 14:33.01 | raster | if not i'd be in .au |
| 14:33.08 | raster | not that it matters much one way or another |
| 14:33.56 | XorA | trust me to get sucked over here when no-one else is about |
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| 14:34.35 | dcordes | thos, that is because it is kind of hard to describe since the whole look changes after I reboot or restart X |
| 14:35.14 | ScaredyCat | ok, I'm pretty sure I broke the oe rules there :P |
| 14:35.56 | prpplague | ScaredyCat: well, imho, breaking the OE is not that difficult |
| 14:36.10 | prpplague | s/OE/OE rules |
| 14:36.25 | dcordes | sometimes you see the blue window decorations (some standard theme), sometimes you see no theme at all (see first post, you see X background instead of window frames). matchbox-panel-2 doesn't show up at all. only when I start it |
| 14:36.59 | XorA | dcordes: sometime on boot matchbx-wm segfaults |
| 14:37.01 | thos | dcordes, sounds like your session script is broken to be honest |
| 14:37.09 | thos | XorA?! |
| 14:37.15 | XorA | dcordes: that would explain what you see |
| 14:37.15 | ScaredyCat | XorA: they did it deliberately, they're all avoiding you ;) |
| 14:37.39 | thos | XorA, I've never had mb-wm segfault |
| 14:37.52 | XorA | thos: your lucky, does it regularly for loads of peoplke |
| 14:38.14 | ScaredyCat | those are evil people.... |
| 14:38.20 | XorA | isnt evil |
| 14:38.21 | dcordes | XorA, thos pH5 was able to reproduce the whole picture w/ different machine and build |
| 14:38.24 | ScaredyCat | hasn't suffered that either |
| 14:38.32 | raster | XorA: AAHHAHAHAHAHA |
| 14:38.41 | ScaredyCat | XorA: 01 or 02 |
| 14:38.49 | XorA | ScaredyCat: 02 |
| 14:39.02 | ScaredyCat | well, there's your problem... |
| 14:39.15 | ScaredyCat | send my your 02, I'll double check it for you :P |
| 14:39.19 | ScaredyCat | me |
| 14:39.19 | XorA | raster: ah well, at least I found real beer, I get drunk instead of socialise |
| 14:39.31 | raster | hahahaha |
| 14:39.36 | XorA | ScaredyCat: dont have an O2 at moment, turns out mine was busted |
| 14:39.38 | thos | XorA, it'd be nice to get a stack trace then |
| 14:39.40 | raster | hint - go to carnegies |
| 14:39.44 | raster | decent beer |
| 14:39.48 | raster | lots of booze |
| 14:39.51 | thos | XorA, something must be very wrong for mb-wm to be segfaulting |
| 14:39.55 | raster | lively pub |
| 14:39.57 | XorA | ScaredyCat: dont have an O2 at moment, turns out mine was busted/ |
| 14:39.57 | raster | people speak english |
| 14:40.04 | XorA | carnegies where? |
| 14:40.50 | ScaredyCat | :o |
| 14:41.22 | XorA | thos: it would be nice for it to happen consitently so I can :-) |
| 14:41.39 | XorA | thos: its one of those things it does it once, then not again |
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| 14:42.14 | dcordes | any community people interested in a working qvga UI present? |
| 14:42.47 | thos | XorA, it sounds suprising because of the amount of testing mb-wm-1 went through in Nokia |
| 14:42.58 | ScaredyCat | dcordes: what device are you using ? |
| 14:43.08 | thos | XorA, like, to hell and back |
| 14:43.13 | thos | helsinki of course :-) |
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| 14:43.51 | raster | XorA: on an-ho road |
| 14:44.05 | dcordes | ScaredyCat, htc blueangel. you get the same result on htc magician and I assume on all other qvga devices |
| 14:44.05 | XorA | raster: cheers I will look out for it |
| 14:44.13 | dcordes | maybe you can even reproduce it |
| 14:44.25 | raster | XorA: just jump in a cab ans say "anh ho liu, carnegies" and u're fine |
| 14:44.26 | raster | :) |
| 14:44.26 | dcordes | when setting up your build for qvga and try it on fic-gta* |
| 14:44.43 | XorA | raster: heh heh |
| 14:45.02 | ScaredyCat | hrmmm... |
| 14:45.12 | ScaredyCat | I has no ram |
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| 14:45.56 | dcordes | ScaredyCat, I will send you some when you can help ;p |
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| 14:46.43 | ScaredyCat | heheh |
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| 14:47.08 | ScaredyCat | no, it's e17 - it seems to want all the ram in the universe just to build a theme |
| 14:47.13 | ScaredyCat | retarded... |
| 14:47.20 | ScaredyCat | pokes and blames raster |
| 14:47.35 | raster | eh? |
| 14:47.37 | dcordes | damn old enlightenment... |
| 14:48.46 | raster | 31608 raster 18 0 7908 4596 1840 T 0 0.2 0:00.27 edje_cc |
| 14:49.01 | raster | thats edje_cc building my current theme for e17 |
| 14:49.07 | raster | 4.6m rss,1.8m of it shared |
| 14:49.23 | XorA | edje_cc here eats 3G of memory before segfaulting :-) |
| 14:49.30 | raster | XorA: wtf? |
| 14:49.41 | raster | edje_cc'ing what? |
| 14:50.34 | XorA | raster: it seems OE has caused something funny to happen to edje_cc talk to zecke or mickeyl they know more |
| 14:51.05 | raster | oh yea |
| 14:51.09 | raster | i saw zecke's thing |
| 14:51.16 | XorA | raster: from what zecke says it recurses for ever, runs out of memeory dies |
| 14:51.20 | raster | there is some loop where a .so seems to have gotten confused |
| 14:51.25 | raster | thaqt'd make sense |
| 14:51.31 | raster | but the reaosn for that makes no sense |
| 14:51.39 | raster | the actual trace is not what the code does |
| 14:51.44 | edistar | raster: glamo has what throughput? 1mb/sec bus-speed? |
| 14:51.50 | raster | somehow the .so has been mis-instaleld into the wrong dir |
| 14:51.59 | raster | or dlopen is fucked with OE |
| 14:52.05 | raster | edistar: 7.3 |
| 14:52.21 | edistar | thx |
| 14:52.31 | orospakr | How's power management working on the Neo1973 with recent images these days? |
| 14:52.40 | XorA | raster: zecke said he checked in the fix, I shall double check tomorrow |
| 14:52.48 | XorA | no CPU power in the apartment |
| 14:53.03 | XorA | orospakr: as bad as it ever was |
| 14:53.09 | orospakr | ugh. |
| 14:55.21 | edistar | raster:7,3 mbit? |
| 14:55.26 | summatusmentis | what sections of europe use the 900Mhz band? |
| 14:56.01 | edistar | summatusmentis: all afaik |
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| 14:56.28 | summatusmentis | so a us version of the FreeRunner would be pretty unusable in europe? |
| 14:56.48 | edistar | yes |
| 14:57.06 | XorA | it will work on Orange and thats about it |
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| 15:00.23 | raster | XorA: haven't heard of the fix yet -0 but i havent seen it myself. i seem to be immune:) |
| 15:00.34 | summatusmentis | is considering a backpacking trip around europe in a year and wants a working phone :) |
| 15:00.48 | raster | edistar: 7.3 megabytes per second. i never refer to anythign in mbit unless its network traffic |
| 15:01.01 | edistar | thx again |
| 15:02.58 | raster | :) |
| 15:03.06 | raster | 7.3 mb;/s is pretty low in gfx land |
| 15:07.23 | ScaredyCat | is also immune... |
| 15:07.23 | ScaredyCat | ... from the 'fix' |
| 15:08.47 | doc|home | no cat is immune from the fix |
| 15:09.03 | doc|home | points at ScaredyCat's testicles |
| 15:09.10 | doc|home | snip snip! |
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| 15:20.11 | bmidgle1 | I haven't yet updated my gsm firmware, but my neo actually works with my brand new att sim |
| 15:20.34 | bmidgle1 | pleasant surprise |
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| 15:35.13 | prpplague | TimRiker: greetings |
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| 15:36.27 | TimRiker | moin prpplague. what are you up to these days? |
| 15:36.52 | prpplague | TimRiker: still working for AML doing handheld design |
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| 15:37.28 | prpplague | TimRiker: mainly BSP and board bringups, don't do much userland stuff |
| 15:37.52 | TimRiker | heard of a Luis Bonilla who I guess works for some texmex cell company? |
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| 15:39.15 | prpplague | TimRiker: hmm, doesn't ring a bell |
| 15:39.21 | prpplague | TimRiker: but i'm terrible with names |
| 15:39.30 | TimRiker | telcel perhaps? dunno. it was a long shot. |
| 15:39.56 | prpplague | TimRiker: seems like i might have seen the name on a mailing list, but i can't be sure |
| 15:40.07 | prpplague | TimRiker: why? |
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| 15:49.09 | TimRiker | I just got a note about contacting him. interested in 2-way live video over cellular in mexico. |
| 15:49.40 | prpplague | TimRiker: interesting.... you doing embedded dev again? |
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| 15:50.10 | TimRiker | on the side, yeah. |
| 15:50.34 | prpplague | TimRiker: ahh ok |
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| 15:51.01 | prpplague | TimRiker: i figured after the TI deal you'd gotten a little burned out with the embedded stuff |
| 15:51.25 | mathroc_ | hello |
| 15:52.04 | mathroc_ | I'm trying to run openmoko on qemu, when I type qemu-run, the qemu window appear but stay black. |
| 15:52.19 | mathroc_ | do I need to make all? |
| 15:52.55 | mathroc_ | it's running, but it's looonng: Running task 156 of 5445 |
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| 15:57.45 | TimRiker | prpplague: nah. still pushing where I can. :) |
| 15:58.15 | prpplague | TimRiker: if the money and hours are good, can;t say i blame you |
| 15:58.44 | TimRiker | heh |
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| 16:08.46 | cb22 | how big is all the stuff that you need to compile openmoko? |
| 16:08.55 | cb22 | ie, what gets fetched by monotone? |
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| 16:35.55 | kristian-m | cb22 about 10GB - try to have 15 GB of free hard drive space |
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| 16:41.00 | abraxa__ | mathroc_: Are you compiling stuff? Doesn't sound to me like you're actually running qemu |
| 16:41.09 | cb22 | kristian-m: i mean source code? it is actually download 10gb of stuff O-o? |
| 16:42.37 | kristian-m | cb22 nop, but when you compile an image you'll need that much |
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| 16:43.28 | cb22 | ah ok. |
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| 16:43.41 | cb22 | here in south africa 1gb of international bandwidth costs $10 or so :( |
| 16:44.07 | ScaredyCat | more than 10gb |
| 16:44.19 | ScaredyCat | of disk space needed |
| 16:44.22 | ScaredyCat | to build |
| 16:44.26 | kristian-m | cb22 they differentiate between international and local bandwith?! - wow |
| 16:44.44 | ScaredyCat | make sure you have rm_work in your condi |
| 16:44.51 | ScaredyCat | s/condi/config/ |
| 16:45.13 | cb22 | kristian-m: yep. a 30gb local account costs $15 or so. a 10g international account costs $60 or so |
| 16:45.36 | cb22 | ScaredyCat: whats a du -m on a completely clean tree? |
| 16:46.21 | ScaredyCat | and if you intend to build any of the e17 stuff you need 10 trillion sqateggabytes of ram |
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| 16:46.39 | ScaredyCat | cb22: no idea, i don't use rm_work I keep everything, forever |
| 16:46.53 | cb22 | pats his raid0, 4gb of ram and core 2 quad |
| 16:46.54 | ScaredyCat | I had to buy a new disk for my laptop |
| 16:46.58 | cb22 | wakes up |
| 16:47.07 | ScaredyCat | pffft that's not enough ram! |
| 16:47.16 | ScaredyCat | not for the e stuff ;) |
| 16:47.22 | cb22 | ScaredyCat: of, sorry, thats just 1 module |
| 16:47.27 | cb22 | i have 16 of them :p |
| 16:47.39 | cb22 | .... in dream land.... |
| 16:47.52 | ScaredyCat | and I have a pet wookie |
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| 16:48.11 | cb22 | wants to get a dual cpu motherboard and 2x quad core xeons |
| 16:49.49 | ScaredyCat | well, at least you'll be able to turn the heating down |
| 16:50.49 | cb22 | not really, i'll attach the heating to it to cool it down |
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| 17:00.01 | ScaredyCat | time to kick oe again |
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| 17:03.20 | cb22 | i thought its always that time |
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| 17:08.33 | wirrwarr | heya~ |
| 17:08.47 | summatusmentis | hi |
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| 17:46.53 | mickeyl | XorA|gone: there? |
| 17:47.12 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: did you get my email? |
| 17:47.30 | mickeyl | yes |
| 17:47.40 | mickeyl | marked as 'important' |
| 17:47.47 | summatusmentis | alright, just wanted to make sure |
| 17:47.49 | mickeyl | will replay asap |
| 17:47.52 | mickeyl | reply, even |
| 17:48.02 | summatusmentis | not terribly pressing, but sort of |
| 17:48.06 | summatusmentis | whenever you've got time |
| 17:49.53 | raster | mickeyl: yo yo |
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| 17:51.32 | mickeyl | hey raster! feeling better? |
| 17:51.41 | raster | mickeyl: mostly |
| 17:51.44 | raster | still have a nasty cough |
| 17:51.47 | raster | and a bitof the runs |
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| 17:55.23 | cb22 | raster: suffering from glamositus? |
| 17:55.28 | raster | no |
| 17:55.37 | raster | some fodo poinsoning or tropical thing going around |
| 17:55.45 | raster | a bunch of people got it |
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| 17:55.56 | raster | was laid up totally non functional for about 2 days |
| 17:56.05 | raster | and have been on partial steam for a few more |
| 17:56.07 | ScaredyCat | no change there then :P |
| 17:56.16 | ScaredyCat | giggles and hides |
| 17:56.31 | raster | ScaredyCat: :-P |
| 17:58.13 | ScaredyCat | you know the gta01 needs some urgent fixes... |
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| 17:58.34 | cb22 | puts a core 2 duo on the gta01. problem solved |
| 17:58.46 | ScaredyCat | it's getting silly now... |
| 17:59.01 | ScaredyCat | I mean - it's useable as an everyday phone..... |
| 17:59.07 | ScaredyCat | someone needs to break it quick |
| 17:59.09 | ahven | and then we all have to tape our phones to a car battery |
| 17:59.10 | ahven | :P |
| 17:59.29 | cb22 | ahven: i was thinking of using the built in v8 to power it :p |
| 17:59.53 | ScaredyCat | has a 'bonus battery' |
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| 18:03.48 | ScaredyCat | i also don't get that boot to x failure... |
| 18:03.49 | zash | isnt there a way to extract energy from human blood? |
| 18:04.19 | ScaredyCat | I think you have to drink it... |
| 18:04.29 | mickeyl | heh |
| 18:04.32 | ScaredyCat | but it only works at night |
| 18:04.51 | mickeyl | flap flap |
| 18:05.03 | mickeyl | (sound of a vampyre passing by) |
| 18:05.12 | ScaredyCat | riiiigght.... |
| 18:05.24 | ScaredyCat | someone get the doctors ;) |
| 18:05.42 | mickeyl | doctors? what we need is silver crosses now |
| 18:05.44 | mickeyl | :D |
| 18:06.13 | ScaredyCat | and steaks..... mmmmmm steak .... arrrgggggg </homer> |
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| 18:14.31 | kdean06 | ScaredyCat, Were you using the nightly build from yesterday or your own images? |
| 18:14.40 | kdean06 | Today's doesn't have it. :) |
| 18:14.46 | ScaredyCat | my own |
| 18:14.57 | ScaredyCat | I've never used an official one |
| 18:15.00 | kdean06 | ;0 |
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| 18:15.02 | ScaredyCat | I'm a bad person |
| 18:15.12 | kdean06 | There's nothing wrong with that. :P |
| 18:15.32 | ScaredyCat | unofficially ;) |
| 18:16.29 | ajbrun | anyone know how on target an april release is, since we've not heard any official news in a month? |
| 18:16.50 | mickeyl | hmm. if you're on the mailing lists, there has been tons of official news |
| 18:17.41 | ajbrun | hmmm - i thought i signed up, but maybe it didn't get through right |
| 18:17.45 | ajbrun | i'll have to try again |
| 18:19.14 | ScaredyCat | yeah, we've all got our, had them for months :P |
| 18:19.27 | ajbrun | i can't remember which i supposedly signed up to last time - i guess announce would be the 'better' one? |
| 18:19.43 | ScaredyCat | community list probably |
| 18:21.08 | cb22 | announce is dead :( |
| 18:21.25 | ajbrun | ah right - that may be the one i chose last time then :p |
| 18:22.04 | ajbrun | yep - the email i just recieved says it was |
| 18:22.07 | ajbrun | ah well |
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| 18:25.32 | Sup3rkiddo | mickeyl, hi, your view of working on an ophoned implementation now still holds? being too early atm |
| 18:25.32 | ewon | I've heard bad noises about the performance of the display ins unlight |
| 18:25.35 | ewon | is this true? |
| 18:26.35 | mickeyl | Sup3rkiddo: hard to say actually. we need an ophoned, but i still have no idea which of the four options we should choose as basis |
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| 18:26.48 | mickeyl | unfortunately ixonos did not yet comment theirs |
| 18:26.59 | mickeyl | so right now we have a) gsmd b) pygsmd c) Qt |
| 18:27.06 | Sup3rkiddo | Qt? |
| 18:27.34 | mickeyl | the qt muxer and gsmd |
| 18:27.42 | Sup3rkiddo | ah..ok |
| 18:27.46 | mickeyl | which is probably the most advanced one |
| 18:27.49 | mickeyl | and the most stable one |
| 18:27.54 | mickeyl | but ... politically... mmhr |
| 18:27.59 | Sup3rkiddo | right |
| 18:28.00 | summatusmentis | I'm pretty unfamilar w/ all three of those options, is there any way they could be tied into HAL? |
| 18:28.00 | Sup3rkiddo | :) |
| 18:28.02 | mickeyl | dunno whether we really want to settle ont hat |
| 18:28.02 | summatusmentis | or not really |
| 18:28.22 | mickeyl | summatusmentis: why should the phone daemon be tied into HAL? |
| 18:28.34 | raster | mickeyl: well using it and adding openphoned dbus hooks may never go upstream |
| 18:28.38 | Sup3rkiddo | s/HAL/DBUS ? |
| 18:28.41 | raster | whihc makes it also a technically bad move |
| 18:28.51 | raster | tho thats politically related |
| 18:29.04 | summatusmentis | I'm probably confused, never mind |
| 18:29.05 | Sup3rkiddo | mickeyl, just curious, whats the general consensus of the core team on this |
| 18:29.07 | mickeyl | raster: i know. that's why i prefer another solution |
| 18:29.19 | mickeyl | Sup3rkiddo: there's hardly any consensus ;) |
| 18:29.25 | mickeyl | i guess it boils down to |
| 18:29.30 | mickeyl | take one and make it work w/ fs.o API |
| 18:29.34 | mickeyl | then lets go from there |
| 18:29.36 | emdete | i don't think qtopia's gsmd/muxer is an option. it qiut different from libgsmd or pygsmd |
| 18:29.42 | mickeyl | well |
| 18:29.48 | mickeyl | i have been told that it takes 2 days |
| 18:29.53 | mickeyl | to have it fs.o compliant |
| 18:30.08 | mickeyl | and i believe this assassement |
| 18:30.13 | mickeyl | since it comes from one very familiar with all that |
| 18:30.49 | Sup3rkiddo | ideally we want some fs.o compliant implementation when freerunner opens to the grandpas |
| 18:31.19 | mickeyl | yep |
| 18:31.26 | mickeyl | even earlier, actually |
| 18:31.42 | mickeyl | this is really the foundation for people making their own thing |
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| 18:31.49 | mickeyl | and we want to support that |
| 18:31.51 | summatusmentis | when I was browsing around fs.o is there really something to compy w/ there? |
| 18:32.01 | summatusmentis | comply* |
| 18:32.18 | mickeyl | well, the dbus API |
| 18:32.20 | mickeyl | spec |
| 18:32.29 | mickeyl | checkout the svn and take a look |
| 18:32.58 | Sup3rkiddo | mickeyl, is the ixonos implementation closed, google isnt helping me :( |
| 18:33.24 | summatusmentis | I'll do that later this afternoon. |
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| 18:34.11 | mickeyl | Sup3rkiddo: it's supposed to be open. they released their first version months ago and the 2nd version is supposed to land in fs.o svn soon |
| 18:34.17 | summatusmentis | so the ophoned project boils down to making a dbus api for either gsmd, pygsmd, or gsmd/muxer ? |
| 18:34.29 | summatusmentis | I'm trying to wrap my head around this, sorry |
| 18:35.01 | Sup3rkiddo | mickeyl, isnt it that gsmd2 on which there was some discussions some time ago, i especially remember cute little documentations |
| 18:35.25 | mickeyl | summatusmentis: well, it's not just adding the API to one of the options. phone daemon needs to do some more stuff, but yes, that's the most important aspect |
| 18:35.30 | mickeyl | Sup3rkiddo: yap |
| 18:35.33 | emdete | i think a muxer is needed anyway. and i would suggest to use pygsmd/gsm0710muxd for prototype and libgsmd/kernel-muxer for later |
| 18:36.01 | Sup3rkiddo | emdete, and porting pygsmd, as you said, is no no now |
| 18:36.03 | Sup3rkiddo | :D |
| 18:36.15 | emdete | Sup3rkiddo: 'porting' means what? |
| 18:36.21 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: then, as such, would it be possible to split the project into fixing the phone daemon, and providing the api |
| 18:36.23 | summatusmentis | ? |
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| 18:36.29 | Sup3rkiddo | emdete, pygsmd into a C equivalent |
| 18:36.58 | mickeyl | summatusmentis: my first plan was to split the phone daemon into frontend and backend |
| 18:37.06 | emdete | Sup3rkiddo: if libgsmd has to be rewritten, that would be more or less the same: learn from errors in both and implement it in C |
| 18:37.08 | raster | is happy to leave the whole middleware thing to others - just as long as it doesn't suck |
| 18:37.10 | mickeyl | the frontend is the same for all backends |
| 18:37.14 | mickeyl | raster: ;) |
| 18:37.25 | mickeyl | and the backend we could then chose between different options |
| 18:37.26 | raster | i'll use whatever is there |
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| 18:37.28 | raster | keep it simple |
| 18:37.30 | raster | make it not suck |
| 18:37.32 | emdete | raster: as long as you do fast grafik i do some work on middleware :D |
| 18:37.32 | raster | make it work |
| 18:37.34 | raster | :) |
| 18:37.37 | Sup3rkiddo | and as long as it works :D |
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| 18:37.47 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: frontend == dbus, backend == <gsmd options>, yes? |
| 18:37.57 | emdete | raster: that's exactly the goal of pygsmd... |
| 18:38.06 | mickeyl | summatusmentis: yes. however, by now i think this would be overengineering, since at the end of the day, we only need one backend |
| 18:38.17 | emdete | bbl... eating |
| 18:38.47 | Sup3rkiddo | mickeyl, theres also phoneKit, from what i see its better than libmokogsmd2 |
| 18:38.59 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: so at this point, this becomes a single project, providing the frontend to a chosen backend, and not making it higher level |
| 18:39.10 | mickeyl | summatusmentis: yea |
| 18:39.16 | raster | emdete: a worthy goal :) |
| 18:39.31 | mickeyl | Sup3rkiddo: phonekit is just a tiny wrapper on top of libgsmd. it implements 10% of the fs.o API |
| 18:39.44 | mickeyl | the major problem is that libgsmd in its present form is |
| 18:39.46 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 18:39.51 | Sup3rkiddo | mickeyl, yep i saw that, 10% being voicecall stuff |
| 18:39.52 | mickeyl | different peoploe have different opinions |
| 18:39.56 | summatusmentis | alright, I've gotta go, I'll be back later, will someone log this for me? |
| 18:39.57 | mickeyl | taipei thinks it's solid |
| 18:40.02 | Sup3rkiddo | i learned a lot from libgsmd :D |
| 18:40.06 | Sup3rkiddo | as a student |
| 18:40.12 | mickeyl | != tapiei thinks it's unstable and has design issues |
| 18:40.13 | raster | maybe gsmd just needs a solid code review |
| 18:40.16 | mickeyl | no |
| 18:40.17 | raster | and cleanups |
| 18:40.19 | mickeyl | it's more inherent |
| 18:40.25 | raster | dunno |
| 18:40.25 | mickeyl | it's designed without the idea of MUXing behind |
| 18:40.28 | Sup3rkiddo | its like born evil |
| 18:40.28 | raster | i have never looked at it |
| 18:40.33 | raster | i wishj to keepmy mind unpolluted |
| 18:40.53 | raster | back to my kbd hell... |
| 18:40.54 | mickeyl | it needs to be much simpler. the asynchronous design is way too flakey with gsm modems |
| 18:40.57 | mickeyl | raster: righto ;) |
| 18:41.11 | mickeyl | anyways, dinner time here |
| 18:41.14 | raster | curses the evil that is assuming all apps are gtk,... which is what the current kbd does |
| 18:44.23 | ScaredyCat | ... |
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| 18:44.46 | ccfly | hello :) |
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| 18:45.02 | raster | ready |
| 18:45.03 | ScaredyCat | so why not qt gsmd then? since it's p) advanced q) gpl code 6) available now |
| 18:45.34 | edistar | raster: how is your implementation of your moschi-mockup going? :> |
| 18:45.34 | edistar | or has it mutated to illume? |
| 18:45.38 | raster | points at mickey|dinner |
| 18:45.43 | raster | edistar: it's not mine |
| 18:46.02 | raster | edistar: frederic bohler & friends (crazy frenchmen) did it |
| 18:46.03 | raster | :) |
| 18:46.10 | raster | it has not mutated' |
| 18:46.20 | edistar | ok:) |
| 18:46.24 | raster | i dont have any choice in the ui design |
| 18:46.30 | summatusmentis | Sup3rkiddo: what're your thoughts? |
| 18:46.38 | raster | so dont bother asking me for anything ui-design-wise for moko |
| 18:46.44 | edistar | raster: no choice? |
| 18:46.49 | raster | nup |
| 18:46.59 | raster | i'm just a programmer |
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| 18:47.06 | raster | according to those @ moko |
| 18:47.10 | raster | implement as told |
| 18:47.31 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, i dont think i have the experience to comment, but we need to get some work done for fs.o |
| 18:47.50 | summatusmentis | Sup3rkiddo: I'm worried about the same thing |
| 18:47.54 | Sup3rkiddo | loved libgsmd though :P |
| 18:47.58 | edistar | you're an artist;) no seriously, will the app menu stay the way it is in the video(illume)? |
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| 18:48.13 | summatusmentis | I haven't looked at any OM code, ever, and I feel like I should already know the gsmd options before trying this |
| 18:48.15 | raster | i'm tried of arguing the point - so i've given up arguing the point |
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| 18:48.29 | raster | edistar: not according to sean/wolfgang/will |
| 18:48.36 | raster | i'm just a programmer |
| 18:48.41 | raster | shrugs |
| 18:48.47 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, you might find this useful http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2007/10/28/qpe-430-plus-qemu/ |
| 18:48.50 | raster | i have grown tired of the argument |
| 18:49.13 | ScaredyCat | raster: so implement an alternative as well .... |
| 18:49.44 | ScaredyCat | then when everyone dumps the standard ui for yours, you can say "ner ner you poopy heads" |
| 18:49.48 | edistar | if you implement a beatiful alternative the community will support it |
| 18:49.54 | ScaredyCat | aye |
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| 18:50.15 | ScaredyCat | slaps raster |
| 18:50.29 | ScaredyCat | missing my crucial point! |
| 18:50.29 | raster | spanks ScaredyCat |
| 18:50.29 | Sup3rkiddo | can i slap him as well? |
| 18:50.35 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 18:50.46 | edistar | if you implement a beautiful alternative the community will support it |
| 18:50.47 | ScaredyCat | [2008-03-25 18:26:44] <mickeyl> but ... politically... mmhr |
| 18:50.50 | Sup3rkiddo | ~lart raster just for the heck of it |
| 18:50.50 | apt | whips out a sword and chops raster just in half for the heck of it |
| 18:50.50 | ScaredyCat | oops |
| 18:50.58 | ScaredyCat | raster: so implement an alternative as well .... |
| 18:51.02 | ScaredyCat | then when everyone dumps the standard ui for yours, you can say "ner ner you poopy heads" |
| 18:51.13 | raster | ScaredyCat: in what spare time? |
| 18:51.23 | ScaredyCat | any |
| 18:51.25 | raster | ScaredyCat: until i have that time - it wont be happening |
| 18:51.28 | raster | i dont have spare time |
| 18:51.33 | summatusmentis | Sup3rkiddo, or anyone: what are the political issues w/ qtmuxer? |
| 18:51.35 | raster | it literally doesnt exist |
| 18:51.36 | ccfly | don't you have that magic poers of manipulating time and space :> |
| 18:51.41 | ccfly | powers |
| 18:51.57 | Sup3rkiddo | blinks |
| 18:52.00 | ScaredyCat | in reality if the community sees a better interface it *will* dump the default. |
| 18:52.15 | raster | i would hope so |
| 18:52.16 | cb22 | stabs gradients |
| 18:52.17 | ccfly | we won't be hard pressed not to dump it :> |
| 18:52.19 | raster | and i'd liek to do that |
| 18:52.20 | edistar | as emdete already did |
| 18:52.30 | ScaredyCat | and there's nothing the OM guys can do. |
| 18:52.42 | raster | but as the pwoers be - i am paid to implement their ideas - not mine |
| 18:52.49 | ScaredyCat | yes, emdete's work is good, just too incomplete... |
| 18:52.51 | raster | i am merely an "awesome programmer" |
| 18:53.04 | ScaredyCat | it needs all the app too, if it really wants to be a contenter |
| 18:53.04 | raster | irespective of the fact i told them the exact opposite before i even agreedtojoin |
| 18:53.17 | raster | shrugs again |
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| 18:53.26 | raster | they like to box peoplein |
| 18:53.27 | ScaredyCat | raster: we didn't say you were awesome, now get back to work... ;) |
| 18:53.29 | raster | you live ina small box |
| 18:53.34 | raster | u are just a programmer |
| 18:53.43 | raster | ScaredyCat: hehehhe |
| 18:53.49 | raster | i didn't say that either :) |
| 18:53.53 | raster | never mind |
| 18:54.02 | raster | i'll be trumpeting a "i told you so" soon enough |
| 18:54.16 | raster | i have a long listof "i told you so"'s to my name |
| 18:54.22 | summatusmentis | mickey|dinner: ping me when you get back please |
| 18:54.23 | raster | i seem to accumulate them |
| 18:54.23 | ScaredyCat | :D |
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| 18:54.50 | Sup3rkiddo | raster, pick one of the 4 gsm choices and lets see if it holds |
| 18:55.12 | raster | Sup3rkiddo: i tend to stick to telling you so when i actually know what i'm talking about |
| 18:55.17 | raster | dont ask me about gsm stuff :) |
| 18:55.19 | raster | don't know |
| 18:55.20 | raster | :) |
| 18:56.13 | Sup3rkiddo | hehe...which is quite unlike me |
| 18:56.36 | cb22 | Sup3rkiddo: told you so. |
| 18:56.45 | Sup3rkiddo | lol |
| 18:56.46 | ahven | ah, can someone answer here why EDGE wasn't/couldn't chosen instead of simple GPRS? |
| 18:56.56 | ScaredyCat | well, people seem to dislike libgsmd... |
| 18:57.10 | cb22 | python is king, now go worship it |
| 18:57.24 | Sup3rkiddo | hail the mighty snale |
| 18:57.26 | Sup3rkiddo | *snake |
| 18:57.28 | unknown_lamer | python, phillistines |
| 18:57.29 | raster | ahven: because of openess and availabiluty of gsm modules |
| 18:57.45 | raster | and other technical reasons |
| 18:57.46 | SpeedEvil | s/modules/chipsets/ |
| 18:57.48 | summatusmentis | is there a list of differences between libgsmd, pygsmd, and qt? |
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| 18:57.56 | ScaredyCat | personally, and for no real valid reasons, qtgsm and gsmd2 seem to be the candidacte |
| 18:57.59 | ScaredyCat | erm |
| 18:58.02 | ScaredyCat | candidates |
| 18:58.15 | SpeedEvil | AIUI |
| 18:58.34 | unknown_lamer | writes cl-gsm to further complicate things |
| 18:59.22 | SpeedEvil | unknown_lamer: that(may(be(a(bad(idea))))) |
| 18:59.39 | ScaredyCat | personally I don;t have any of the 'trolltech are evil' baggage... |
| 18:59.54 | summatusmentis | I tend to agree, particularly if everything is gpl now |
| 19:00.02 | cb22 | the gpl is evil |
| 19:00.11 | cb22 | sorry, couldnt resist :p |
| 19:00.14 | lpotter | trolltech is evil, they make us walk to the lunchroom to eat food! |
| 19:00.17 | SpeedEvil | Haven't you heard? They sacrifice kittens, using macbooks. |
| 19:00.17 | summatusmentis | Sup3rkiddo: are you still thinking about applying for ophoned? |
| 19:00.27 | summatusmentis | <3 macbooks |
| 19:00.29 | unknown_lamer | SpeedEvil: ewww m-exp! |
| 19:00.36 | unknown_lamer | SpeedEvil: those were banished in 1961 |
| 19:00.36 | cb22 | lpotter: what? thats shameful :( |
| 19:00.39 | ScaredyCat | what? they sacrifce kittens who use macbooks? |
| 19:01.03 | ccfly | wosh as long as macbooks are safe |
| 19:01.07 | cb22 | no, the sacrifice kittens, by placing them inside the macbook, and then closing it |
| 19:01.11 | cb22 | they* |
| 19:01.11 | ScaredyCat | anyhooo... personally I'd go for the qtgsm since it's been about and tested lots... |
| 19:01.26 | ScaredyCat | cb22: obviously not macbook air's |
| 19:01.33 | unknown_lamer | SpeedEvil: also, ((be may) (idea bad)) ;-) |
| 19:01.35 | SpeedEvil | ScaredyCat: haven't you noticed that the new sharp front of macbook airs are designed as the blade of kitten guillotines? |
| 19:01.38 | summatusmentis | Sup3rkiddo: the other option would be for each of use to pick a gsm_option, and then make mickey|dinner decide :-) |
| 19:01.47 | cb22 | no, they go all emo with the airs |
| 19:01.52 | mjr | ScaredyCat, in the spirit of "useable as an everyday phone", you have some recommendation for a reasonably recent somewhat operational image? |
| 19:01.54 | cb22 | new razor blades! |
| 19:01.55 | ScaredyCat | no, macbooks are only for teh gayz |
| 19:01.57 | ScaredyCat | :P |
| 19:02.04 | unknown_lamer | SpeedEvil: no need for indicatives in sexp grammar and may as well group linked words and make the verb object be the first item ;-) |
| 19:02.10 | ScaredyCat | mjr: mine!!! |
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| 19:02.17 | unknown_lamer | SpeedEvil: now to write a DSL interpreter macro to make that valid lisp |
| 19:02.24 | SpeedEvil | unknown_lamer: :) |
| 19:02.27 | mjr | ScaredyCat, yes indeed. Which one? :] |
| 19:02.34 | zedstar | gets excited when he sees s-expressions |
| 19:02.43 | SpeedEvil | Let us go forth! |
| 19:02.53 | cb22 | thinks zedstar should get out more. |
| 19:02.59 | ScaredyCat | well, I'm running todays, but the previous one is good and I tested it lots |
| 19:03.01 | mjr | that is, are the newest currently known to be horribly broken |
| 19:03.54 | ScaredyCat | todays works fine for me, but not tested that much, since it's only been there for about an hour |
| 19:03.58 | ScaredyCat | ish |
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| 19:04.02 | mjr | yah |
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| 19:04.26 | mjr | thanks |
| 19:04.29 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: I do too and I get to stare at them all day |
| 19:04.39 | unknown_lamer | my cat even has a little pair of parentheses on her one side |
| 19:05.05 | zedstar | unknown_lamer yeh me too mostly when i can |
| 19:05.17 | ScaredyCat | does a big full stop on unknown_lamer's desk |
| 19:05.39 | unknown_lamer | ScaredyCat: this means war |
| 19:05.47 | unknown_lamer | summons the army of undead emacsen |
| 19:06.24 | unknown_lamer | alas, if only I had a FreeRunner so I could install army management software and guide them from the field |
| 19:06.26 | zedstar | unknown_lamer u shud read my binary s-expression paper it will seriously give u wood! |
| 19:06.35 | unknown_lamer | binary sexp! |
| 19:06.50 | ScaredyCat | bags n tags zedstar |
| 19:07.08 | unknown_lamer | aren't they already kind of binary data? I mean ... you just reserve the ascii for [() ] and the symbols can be anything else |
| 19:07.14 | unknown_lamer | or using || even have [() ] |
| 19:07.55 | unknown_lamer | nice simple binary format that makes no assumptions about the encoding of the contents excepting five characters |
| 19:07.55 | unknown_lamer | err, four |
| 19:07.55 | zedstar | unknown_lamer yeh...but i bit stuffed them in an unaligned way where each bit is data |
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| 19:07.57 | ScaredyCat | lpotter: how easily can qtgsm be 'extracted' |
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| 19:08.06 | lpotter | not very easily |
| 19:08.06 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: heathen |
| 19:08.22 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, hehe |
| 19:08.37 | lpotter | although most of the routines are contained in library |
| 19:08.38 | ScaredyCat | ok, that kinda leaves gsmd2 ? |
| 19:08.53 | summatusmentis | ScaredyCat: for any real reason? |
| 19:09.03 | zedstar | unkown_lamer but yeh writing pure s-expressions is kewl as it is already data......xml people will never get that |
| 19:09.09 | summatusmentis | I don't know anything about any of the options |
| 19:09.20 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: yeah :-( I am very sad when I have to deal with xml |
| 19:09.23 | Sup3rkiddo | man, fate...i rm'd gsmd2 a couple of weeks ago |
| 19:09.30 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: the inability to represent graph structure with convenient notation ;lkdjsf;ljfd; |
| 19:09.39 | Sup3rkiddo | can i has the link? |
| 19:09.43 | summatusmentis | doesn't evev have openmoko set up |
| 19:09.45 | ScaredyCat | well if it's not easy to extract qtgsm without too much trouble, people dislike libgsmd (no mux) and gsmd2 is the other option... |
| 19:09.45 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: rage! rage! I want my damn #N= #N# notation damnit |
| 19:09.55 | summatusmentis | s/evev/even/ |
| 19:10.10 | summatusmentis | ScaredyCat: what about pygsmd? |
| 19:10.18 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: a format that doesn't let me trivially serialize a data structure with cycles is worthless |
| 19:10.23 | lpotter | we couldnt get multiplexing working on the neos modem |
| 19:10.26 | summatusmentis | or is that what gsmd2 is? |
| 19:10.30 | ScaredyCat | I'm not deciding this summatusmentis - I'm just yapping.... |
| 19:10.36 | ScaredyCat | it's not for me to decide.. |
| 19:10.39 | summatusmentis | right, I know |
| 19:10.46 | unknown_lamer | lpotter: does the qtopia image do gprs at all? ISTR it not doing it a few months ago |
| 19:10.49 | ScaredyCat | I have issues with pygsmd... |
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| 19:10.59 | ScaredyCat | mainly the py bit |
| 19:11.03 | summatusmentis | lol |
| 19:11.03 | der_papst_623b | good evening |
| 19:11.18 | raster | lpotter: what would tt think of adding dbus access to qtopia phone server? |
| 19:11.19 | lpotter | unknown_lamer: nope. GPRS needs multiplexing |
| 19:11.23 | zedstar | unknown_lamer anyone ported a lisp to openmoko btw....common lisp is kinda big isnt it? |
| 19:11.24 | unknown_lamer | sorrows |
| 19:11.27 | raster | lpotter: i.e. - accept patches? |
| 19:11.31 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: clisp should just run |
| 19:11.47 | lpotter | raster: there is the valuespace. |
| 19:11.49 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: someone got it to run on the maemo and it is build for debian/arm sooo |
| 19:11.56 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: and clisp uses like 3M on start |
| 19:11.59 | raster | lpotter: and that means.... ? :) |
| 19:12.03 | lpotter | raster: patches would be looked at |
| 19:12.04 | Sup3rkiddo | was i wrong or what...i thought implementing the GSM specs would be easy |
| 19:12.05 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: no threads but ... hey, that's not *such* a big deal |
| 19:12.18 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: there is even nascent uffi/cffi for clisp *finally* |
| 19:12.40 | zedstar | unknown_lamer ah ok should be possible to get it running then |
| 19:12.56 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: yep that shall be my first task once I get a damn freerunner in my hands |
| 19:13.02 | lpotter | raster: send the patches, and I will push for them. but they may not make it into 4.3 but its still possible for 4.4 |
| 19:13.04 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: then see if mcclim still works on clisp |
| 19:13.04 | raster | lpotter: lets just say there are no technical issues with such things (froma style or implementation point of view) |
| 19:13.15 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: failing that some gtk bindings (less nice but ... workable) |
| 19:13.15 | summatusmentis | Sup3rkiddo: it may be once a gsmd_option gets picked |
| 19:13.33 | raster | lpotter: would they be an issue because it may decouple qtopia phoneserver fromt he rest of qtopia and thus present as business issue? |
| 19:13.38 | summatusmentis | ScaredyCat: what is gsmd2 written in? |
| 19:13.43 | ScaredyCat | it's kind of important that the gsmd gets picked soon... |
| 19:13.46 | Sup3rkiddo | C++? |
| 19:13.47 | ScaredyCat | iirc c |
| 19:13.51 | Sup3rkiddo | or C? |
| 19:13.57 | Sup3rkiddo | with dbus goodies iirc |
| 19:13.58 | ScaredyCat | hang, I have the docs somewhrer |
| 19:14.05 | Sup3rkiddo | docs were cute |
| 19:14.11 | raster | and no rush on inclusion |
| 19:14.11 | zedstar | unknown_lamer good......i kinda stop ported Chicken Scheme for now as i can just include the c files once compiled from scheme into autotools and build one app and distribute without dependency |
| 19:14.14 | raster | just the principle of it |
| 19:14.16 | ScaredyCat | yes. well documented |
| 19:14.47 | lpotter | raster: no. |
| 19:14.51 | raster | cool |
| 19:14.59 | raster | thats what i was hoping to hear |
| 19:15.00 | Sup3rkiddo | ScaredyCat, can you put up gsmd2 somewheere or post the link if you have it...me lost it :/ |
| 19:15.02 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: I want to hack code on my device |
| 19:15.02 | cb22 | random mention: http://www.mulliner.org/h63xxlinux/mplexd-0.1.tar.gz |
| 19:15.08 | ScaredyCat | sure |
| 19:15.16 | ScaredyCat | 1 sec Sup3rkiddo |
| 19:15.18 | summatusmentis | ok, gsmd2 has good docs, doesn't piss ScaredyCat off, seems to be a better option than qtgsmd(as it's not built in), and is written in a language I have some knowledge of |
| 19:15.20 | cb22 | it was multiplexing code for my old ipaq |
| 19:15.21 | raster | as long as its just a technical issue and a matter of time/timing... 'ksellent |
| 19:15.22 | Sup3rkiddo | danke |
| 19:15.23 | summatusmentis | oh, and isn't libgsmd(which apparently people don't like) |
| 19:15.28 | zedstar | unknown_lamer u wanna run REPL on device? |
| 19:15.31 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: I also intend to set up stuff to work with my bbdb database since ... my contact info is in there and the current contacts stuff looks like crap (wtf hardcoded fields! no custom fields! jesus!) |
| 19:15.42 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: yeah why not. It has a nice screen and bt hid support :-) |
| 19:15.43 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, i like libgsmd :D, but i am not a normal person |
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| 19:15.56 | lpotter | raster: its more of a roadmapping thing |
| 19:16.01 | raster | cool |
| 19:16.09 | ScaredyCat | http://buildhost.automated.it/ |
| 19:16.10 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: my primary workstation was a 166Mhz pentium with 16M of RAM and I was ok with that I'm guessing this will be /slightly/ faster |
| 19:16.12 | summatusmentis | Sup3rkiddo: you familiar w/ the code at all? |
| 19:16.31 | cb22 | 8x ram too |
| 19:16.33 | zedstar | unknown_lamer yeh is kinda kewl to have....the chicken scheme port includes the intrepreter so u can write stuff on device |
| 19:16.36 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, yeah to some extent, got some my teeny weeny patches in |
| 19:16.47 | summatusmentis | one step ahead of me then |
| 19:16.47 | ScaredyCat | http://buildhost.automated.it/gsmd-snapshot-2007-11-23-for-design-discussion.tar.gz |
| 19:16.49 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: I've given up on Scheme for now |
| 19:16.51 | lpotter | raster: it would be easy to write something to do QValueSpace <=> dbus |
| 19:16.57 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: r6rs mess and ahhh jesus christ |
| 19:17.10 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: honestly just give me CL + call/cc and I will be a *very* happy man |
| 19:17.17 | zedstar | unknown_lamer yeh...chicken is not conforming to that is gonna stay minimal scheme |
| 19:17.18 | Sup3rkiddo | ScaredyCat, thanks |
| 19:17.33 | raster | :) |
| 19:17.41 | lpotter | there is vsexplorer to look at valuespace values |
| 19:17.47 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: neither are any of the major implementations except for PLT and Scheme48 ... but Riastradh is forking r5rs Scheme48 IIRC ... fun times are ahead |
| 19:18.00 | raster | v sex plorer |
| 19:18.08 | Sup3rkiddo | o.o |
| 19:18.10 | lpotter | use the -d option :) |
| 19:18.11 | raster | u must have loved that name |
| 19:18.28 | Sup3rkiddo | nods in agreement |
| 19:19.09 | zedstar | unknown_lamer what i do is embed scheme into C so i need something minimal.....basically i add scheme so i can do all kinds of funky s-expression stuff from a C app |
| 19:19.19 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: ah maybe you should check out guile |
| 19:19.29 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: it too runs on the maemo and is fairly lightweight if a bit slow |
| 19:19.38 | Sup3rkiddo | hits the sack |
| 19:19.43 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, night |
| 19:19.52 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: it also has nice fully preemptive threading support and such |
| 19:19.55 | zedstar | unknown_lamer yeh checked that out....chicken is the best in terms of practical stuff |
| 19:20.01 | summatusmentis | goodnight Sup3rkiddo, let me know what you're planning on doing regarding applying, if you would |
| 19:20.10 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, sure |
| 19:20.15 | summatusmentis | thanks |
| 19:22.10 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: aye. I'm hoping to have as little C on my phone as possible |
| 19:22.39 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: I need to finish getting my object-wiki stuff done ... and then hopefully I'll have a freerunner after that to experiment with using it as my PIM UI on the phone |
| 19:23.45 | zedstar | unknown_lamer u will need to do some FFI stuff to dbus i would expect for PIM stuff now |
| 19:24.20 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: or just ignore their calendar sources and just use the emacs diary / bbdb |
| 19:24.29 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: easiest way for me to sync to my desktop |
| 19:24.51 | unknown_lamer | I have everything in planner/bbdb/diary right now and need to get something running to replace them in a slightly more structured way |
| 19:25.15 | unknown_lamer | hence all powerful planner/muse/diary/bbdb replacement written in CL using real structured objects and magical /semantic relation/ crap |
| 19:26.10 | zedstar | unknown_lamer if u need to do anything with clever with data structures then CL would be good yeh |
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| 19:26.49 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: yep it makes life oh so nice. To do fast searches on certain relations between objects is really easy with Elephant (ah, derived indices) |
| 19:27.26 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: the lack of a decent query language is kind of lame right now, but there is work being done on that finally ... and maybe the query stuff from wilbur or lisa could be ganked who knows |
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| 19:28.23 | zedstar | unknown_lamer yeh even using simple stuff like association lists which would be a real pain to write and debug in c |
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| 19:28.37 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: ha you mean ... doing /anything/ useful in C |
| 19:29.19 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: turns out anything interesting processes sets of data ... hey look a set processing language |
| 19:30.10 | unknown_lamer | zedstar: I'm thinking clisp will shine on the freerunner -- lower memory use for very fancy things thanks to trivial structure sharing and such |
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| 19:31.21 | zedstar | unknown_lamer yeh i think functional programming in general could be used well on small devices if people bothered to grok it.......but anyway i think we better stop wacking off on functional programming before we piss everyone off |
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| 19:31.57 | unknown_lamer | naturally |
| 19:32.26 | unknown_lamer | I must depart anyway to do minor beard trimming before dipping out to see cutenerdwoman |
| 19:32.46 | unknown_lamer | hack lisp and code functionally and all the ladies will flock to you -- and let you keep your glorious hacker beard ;-) |
| 19:33.20 | zedstar | yeh good luck with that ;) |
| 19:33.36 | unknown_lamer | oh I already have permission to keep my beard |
| 19:36.32 | der_papst_623b | is there a release termin for the final version of the phone? |
| 19:36.32 | der_papst_623b | i'm looking forward to it since a year |
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| 19:37.38 | ccfly | developer models with alpha software, cooming soon |
| 19:38.05 | der_papst_623b | from the final version with the 400MHz-Processor? |
| 19:38.18 | ccfly | yes |
| 19:38.21 | ccfly | hopefully |
| 19:38.56 | der_papst_623b | and this will be the final version of the hardware? |
| 19:38.56 | der_papst_623b | i heard about problems with the akku-cells |
| 19:38.57 | ccfly | sacrificing a virgin might help |
| 19:38.58 | ccfly | :> |
| 19:39.16 | der_papst_623b | ccfly: hm, you killed my hope |
| 19:39.32 | der_papst_623b | my girlfriend is 22 :P |
| 19:40.30 | der_papst_623b | and i wouldn't sacrifice her |
| 19:40.37 | cb22 | will virgin olive oil do? |
| 19:41.01 | ccfly | well I guess it has to do |
| 19:41.03 | masquerade_univ | only if its extra extra virgin. |
| 19:41.06 | ScaredyCat | wait... |
| 19:41.13 | der_papst_623b | but i have a nerving sister :P |
| 19:41.33 | ScaredyCat | [2008-03-25 19:37:47] <ccfly> sacrificing a virgin might help |
| 19:41.35 | ScaredyCat | [2008-03-25 19:38:22] <der_papst_623b> my girlfriend is 22 :P |
| 19:41.35 | ScaredyCat | [2008-03-25 19:39:20] <der_papst_623b> and i wouldn't sacrifice her |
| 19:42.09 | CM | pokes ScaredyCat ;) |
| 19:42.13 | cb22 | slaps ScaredyCat's extra long timestamps |
| 19:42.54 | ccfly | gets killed by UNIX manual dislodged by his hartful laughter |
| 19:43.29 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 19:44.16 | cb22 | (: |
| 19:44.32 | der_papst_623b | ccfly: how we should sacrifice my sister? :P |
| 19:45.01 | cb22 | der_papst_623b: simple, tell hner to go on digg and write a post about how apple sucks |
| 19:45.05 | cb22 | her* |
| 19:45.18 | der_papst_623b | what is digg? |
| 19:45.32 | CVirus | a bunch of crap .... lately at least |
| 19:45.33 | ccfly | slashdot without moderation |
| 19:45.43 | ccfly | however funny that sounds |
| 19:45.45 | cb22 | apple fanboy heaven^W^W^W user generated links |
| 19:45.59 | cb22 | ccfly: you mean the moderation that stops dupes and old news :p |
| 19:46.32 | ccfly | dupes and old news are just a reality check coming to you straight from his highness Cowboy Neal |
| 19:46.36 | ScaredyCat | digg is user moderated, so the lowest denominator wins... ie the frat boy |
| 19:46.52 | der_papst_623b | and what is digg? |
| 19:46.57 | der_papst_623b | #digg on freenode? |
| 19:47.00 | cb22 | digg.com |
| 19:47.02 | der_papst_623b | ah |
| 19:47.07 | ScaredyCat | a 'socail networking' site |
| 19:47.10 | CVirus | I remember digg was a good place for news and articles back then |
| 19:47.11 | ScaredyCat | social |
| 19:47.23 | ScaredyCat | CVirus: that was when it was tech only |
| 19:47.34 | ScaredyCat | then they made categories for crap... |
| 19:47.42 | ScaredyCat | and it went down the toilet |
| 19:48.16 | CVirus | agreed |
| 19:48.17 | ScaredyCat | it used to save time, you could go there and get the latest tech links... |
| 19:48.22 | cb22 | half of 4chan seems to have migrated there |
| 19:48.29 | CVirus | LOL |
| 19:48.30 | ScaredyCat | now there's too much crap |
| 19:48.41 | cb22 | CVirus: ahem, LUL! |
| 19:48.43 | ScaredyCat | so it has become pointless |
| 19:48.57 | cb22 | reddit is far superior :p |
| 19:49.03 | CVirus | I loved the interwebz owing to digg actually |
| 19:49.03 | ccfly | we should make apple digg party and then sacrifice them for quick deliverance of GTA02 ! :> |
| 19:49.31 | ccfly | hell we would probably get GTA02 out of the doors in record time just as a bonus :> |
| 19:49.34 | ccfly | 02 |
| 19:49.35 | ccfly | 03 |
| 19:49.37 | ccfly | dammit ! |
| 19:49.58 | der_papst_623b | we should make a new spanish inquisition to damn Windoze from the world |
| 19:50.28 | ccfly | yeah Steve Jobs used to hold that post, but then he got soft and squishy |
| 19:51.01 | ScaredyCat | what? |
| 19:51.12 | ScaredyCat | Jobs the knob... |
| 19:51.33 | ScaredyCat | he kills babies and eats them |
| 19:51.33 | der_papst_623b | (I) |
| 19:51.43 | ccfly | not tough enough ! :> |
| 19:51.49 | der_papst_623b | have someone here seen "pirats of silicon valley"? |
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| 19:52.07 | _diego_ | yes |
| 19:52.09 | ScaredyCat | pirates or prats? |
| 19:52.13 | der_papst_623b | i love this Film |
| 19:53.14 | ScaredyCat | fooooooooooooooooood!!! |
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| 19:58.05 | der_papst_623b | ScaredyCat: Pirates |
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| 20:15.17 | ^james^ | i better make some scratch to buy a freerunner |
| 20:16.33 | ^james^ | if my memory serves me from staying up late googling openmoko freerunner their gonna go for like 400+ bucks |
| 20:17.07 | kdean06 | That's the latest news. :) |
| 20:17.13 | CM | 399 USD, like 5 EUR or so.. ;) |
| 20:17.16 | anrp | D; |
| 20:17.17 | cb22 | s/+/-/ |
| 20:17.21 | anrp | hey its not that bad |
| 20:17.28 | ^james^ | i'm totally gonna buy one |
| 20:17.41 | cb22 | ^james^: would you like the tshirt to go with that? |
| 20:18.00 | ^james^ | an openmoko shirt? hell yeah |
| 20:18.17 | kdean06 | ^james^, cb22 is correct, I didn't notice the plus... the latest word is "less than 400 USD" |
| 20:18.30 | ^james^ | even better |
| 20:18.37 | kdean06 | $399.99 |
| 20:18.43 | ^james^ | heh |
| 20:19.02 | anrp | + 0.01 |
| 20:19.13 | Niluge_KiWi | CM: Cool I've 5 EUR :) |
| 20:19.15 | ^james^ | or just 7 easy payments of 57.14 |
| 20:19.37 | cb22 | heh |
| 20:19.43 | ScaredyCat | !google convert 399 USD to GBP |
| 20:19.44 | cdbot2 | 399 U.S. dollars = 201.372767 British pounds |
| 20:20.05 | CM | apt: botsnack |
| 20:20.05 | apt | thanks, CM |
| 20:20.09 | ^james^ | last i checked USD is loosing more and more value |
| 20:20.16 | cb22 | !google convert 399 USD to ZAR |
| 20:20.16 | CM | Pff.. cdbot2... |
| 20:20.16 | cdbot2 | 399 U.S. dollars = 3 253.00026 South African rands |
| 20:20.38 | ^james^ | EUR? |
| 20:20.43 | ^james^ | or yen |
| 20:20.53 | cb22 | ^james^: not to the rand :( |
| 20:20.57 | ScaredyCat | !google convert 399 USD to ZOB |
| 20:20.57 | cdbot2 | Did you mean: convert 399 USD to ROB ? | Sign in @ https://www.google.com/accounts/Login?continue=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=convert+399+USD+to+ZOB&safe=off&btnG=Search&lr=lang_all&hl=en | c ct ct td st ts cd cd cd sc cs dd tcd @ http://www.infinitybiblecode.org/Hebrew_Code_Book.pdf%20class=l |
| 20:21.08 | ScaredyCat | poor rob |
| 20:21.09 | CM | Hehe |
| 20:21.22 | cb22 | notes the safe=off |
| 20:21.38 | Niluge_KiWi | !google convert 399 USD to EUR |
| 20:21.39 | cdbot2 | 399 U.S. dollars = 259.208731 Euros |
| 20:21.48 | Niluge_KiWi | wow that much |
| 20:22.44 | ^james^ | yup i could buy a cheap ass car for 400 |
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| 20:23.07 | ^james^ | but i'd rather walk around with a moko |
| 20:23.18 | ^james^ | and wifi/gsm/gps ;) |
| 20:23.58 | ^james^ | wonder if the atheros card will support injection wink wink aircrack aireplay |
| 20:24.15 | ScaredyCat | no |
| 20:24.17 | cb22 | doesnt look like it :( |
| 20:24.36 | cb22 | although you could always attach a ralink via usb |
| 20:24.44 | ^james^ | serious? aw man that blows |
| 20:25.24 | ^james^ | i have a rt8187 that i use on my laptop for cracking wep |
| 20:25.44 | ScaredyCat | wep, who the hell uses ep anymore... |
| 20:25.47 | ^james^ | 2 usb ports |
| 20:25.52 | anrp | lots of people |
| 20:25.54 | anrp | :\ |
| 20:26.27 | ^james^ | yup i'd say aroung 80% of encrypted nets do |
| 20:26.34 | ^james^ | that i've seen |
| 20:26.52 | anrp | better than nothing but not by much |
| 20:26.54 | ScaredyCat | maybe in the US... |
| 20:27.07 | anrp | i wouldn't be so quick to assume |
| 20:27.15 | ScaredyCat | even my technologically challenged neighbours use wpa |
| 20:27.28 | anrp | looks up the plural of anecdote |
| 20:27.38 | ^james^ | i use wpa psk, been wanting to setup freeradius for awhile but darn its a bit of work to setup |
| 20:28.18 | cb22 | anecdotes |
| 20:28.31 | MetaMorfoziS | :) |
| 20:28.59 | ^james^ | i cant get enough of youtube's openmoko vids |
| 20:29.08 | ScaredyCat | of the 13 ap's I can see 0 are wep all are wpa |
| 20:29.23 | ^james^ | damn |
| 20:29.53 | ^james^ | at might be cause of SES stuff click button zero config crap on most new routers |
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| 20:30.10 | ^james^ | i have two openwrt routers ;) |
| 20:31.03 | ScaredyCat | manufacturers seem to have finally got the idea |
| 20:31.52 | ^james^ | damn dude i've been really hoping for raw wifi injection and possibly raw gsm/cellular band fun ;) |
| 20:32.07 | mwester | Well, just to be cynical, it helps that a certain threshold was reached -- before that threshold, the penetration of the technology is such that each manufacturer finds it useful to implement standard in a slightly proprietary way. |
| 20:32.43 | mwester | We're past that, and the mfgrs now understand that if you don't do WPA and do it easily, you don't sell your device -- commodity is good that way. |
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| 20:35.44 | ^james^ | been also wanting a USRP http://www.ettus.com/ Universal Software Radio Peripheral (Gnu radio) |
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| 20:46.19 | SpeedEvil | ^james^: you're prepared to carry around a car battery the? |
| 20:46.43 | ^james^ | why |
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| 20:47.18 | ^james^ | all that RF chatter gonna kill the battery? |
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| 20:49.39 | SpeedEvil | Because software radios typically use several orders of magnitde more power than dedicated circitry with analog filters. |
| 20:50.05 | SpeedEvil | A teeny little bit of crystal can do billions of operations a second on nanowatts. |
| 20:50.39 | SpeedEvil | Doing the same in silicon takes lots of power. |
| 20:50.57 | Qwell | okay, since it's sort of on topic...could somebody explain WHY radios use a crystal? |
| 20:51.08 | Qwell | I've always wondered that, and never been bothered enough to google it :p |
| 20:53.49 | SpeedEvil | Think of it like a wineglass |
| 20:54.04 | SpeedEvil | it resonates easily at one frequency very easily |
| 20:54.27 | SpeedEvil | this is why when you ping it, or rub it with a damp finger, you get one note |
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| 20:54.43 | SpeedEvil | this same idea is used to select one frequency |
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| 20:56.04 | Qwell | hmm |
| 20:56.07 | Qwell | interesting |
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| 20:58.06 | summatusmentis | mickey|dinner: there by any chance? |
| 20:58.42 | orospakr | weird. All of the entry boxes in the OM interface (using yesterday's images) use the DTMF keypad for entry, which is actually really annoying for typing in phone numbers. |
| 20:59.26 | ^james^ | how else would one enter it in? |
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| 21:00.05 | ^james^ | but what about access to the gsm and other cellular frequencies? |
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| 21:00.48 | ^james^ | cant i write up a quick app to listen/display raw data/sound albiet encrypted but still |
| 21:01.18 | SpeedEvil | Yes - with software radio - demodulating it is decidedly non-trivial. |
| 21:01.29 | ^james^ | flippin through the openmoko sources im not really seeing anything like im thinking |
| 21:01.45 | SpeedEvil | what ar eyou tryig to do? |
| 21:01.47 | orospakr | ^james^, well, it should go back into numbers-only mode, not SMS-style tap-multiple-times-to-choose-character mode. sorry, I should have been more clear. |
| 21:01.48 | ^james^ | im talking about the moko not a SDR |
| 21:02.05 | orospakr | also, I would like to get the on-screen qwerty keyboard to come up, too. |
| 21:02.10 | SpeedEvil | yo talk to GSM over a serial interface to an AT modem. |
| 21:02.10 | orospakr | you used to be able to choose the keyboard type. |
| 21:04.13 | ccfly | bye folks :> |
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| 21:05.26 | raster | never feat |
| 21:05.34 | raster | configurable keyboards will be coming back |
| 21:05.43 | raster | kbd now comes up with keys... reads config |
| 21:05.50 | raster | kbd layout 100% in cfg file |
| 21:05.56 | orospakr | raster == rasterman? |
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| 21:06.11 | raster | now i just need to fill out the rest of this kbd to have a semblance of a qwerty kbd |
| 21:06.12 | orospakr | also, that's good news. :) |
| 21:06.19 | raster | orospakr: no - i'm the toothfairy |
| 21:06.20 | raster | :) |
| 21:06.28 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03werner * r4248 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (remap-vec.patch series): |
| 21:06.28 | CIA-17 | openmoko: remap-vec.patch: remap the vectors instead of copy them. This avoids having |
| 21:06.28 | CIA-17 | openmoko: to wait for AUX release in NOR boot and it also solves the same problem for |
| 21:06.29 | CIA-17 | openmoko: NAND boot. |
| 21:06.48 | orospakr | raster, so, is GTK a lost cause? ;) |
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| 21:08.06 | raster | nothng to do with gtk |
| 21:08.08 | raster | its not |
| 21:09.07 | orospakr | raboof, I was only pulling your leg. |
| 21:09.40 | orospakr | s/raboof/raster/ |
| 21:09.47 | raster | now... just need to replay the sequence... |
| 21:09.51 | raster | hmm |
| 21:10.04 | raster | still need to implment shift, ctrl, alt and capslockstyle keys |
| 21:10.19 | raster | and make the kbd appear on demand |
| 21:10.24 | raster | and have a way to bring it up manually |
| 21:10.55 | cb22 | raster: demand can be really annoying, unless its slick |
| 21:10.59 | raster | but soon... vry wsoon.... |
| 21:11.08 | raster | cb22: it'll slide in |
| 21:11.09 | raster | :) |
| 21:11.11 | raster | it already done |
| 21:11.32 | ScaredyCat | stop yer yappin and get coding, you are just a programmer, reember. |
| 21:11.32 | cb22 | the gpe way was really irritating |
| 21:11.34 | raster | i can add options to turn that stuff off if u ewant |
| 21:11.40 | cb22 | good :) |
| 21:11.42 | raster | ScaredyCat: hahahhaha |
| 21:11.47 | raster | i like options |
| 21:11.51 | raster | options == good |
| 21:12.01 | cb22 | very true |
| 21:12.21 | ScaredyCat | on demand rather than automagically |
| 21:12.35 | raster | ScaredyCat: what do u mean |
| 21:12.36 | ScaredyCat | really annoying if you have a bt keyboard |
| 21:12.45 | raster | kbd should come up when u focus a text field that needs input |
| 21:12.47 | raster | ... |
| 21:12.49 | raster | aaah |
| 21:12.50 | ScaredyCat | well, atm it just pops up... |
| 21:12.52 | raster | yes |
| 21:12.54 | raster | that is another matter |
| 21:13.16 | orospakr | raster, ooh, sounds nifty. I didn't think a smooth slide would work well on this hardware. |
| 21:13.16 | raster | eventually i should put detection in - if bt kbd is there, thenonlypop up on explicit reaquerst |
| 21:13.17 | ScaredyCat | maybe a configurable thing with the default action to popup... |
| 21:13.20 | raster | not automatically |
| 21:13.23 | raster | etc. etc. |
| 21:13.26 | ewon | tempting: http://cgi.ebay.com/VR3-16-MB-Ram-A-Pure-Linux-PDA-for-Developers-black_W0QQitemZ290156194393QQihZ019QQcategoryZ38331QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQ_trksidZp1638.m118.l1247QQcmdZViewItem |
| 21:13.45 | ScaredyCat | yeah raster, v good |
| 21:14.17 | ScaredyCat | ewon: that must be at least 8 years old |
| 21:15.29 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.42 | cb22 | raster: btw, what is the keyboard based on? |
| 21:15.43 | ScaredyCat | pretty close eh |
| 21:15.59 | cb22 | and unreleated, different styles of keyboards would be really useful |
| 21:16.06 | orospakr | is there any hope of synchronizing the pimlico apps (contacts, in particular) with Evolution? |
| 21:16.27 | cb22 | like when you are browsing the web, you want http:// and www. etc, when you are using the temrinal, you probably want a bigger ctl, alt and tab then normal |
| 21:16.48 | ScaredyCat | might want www key too |
| 21:17.25 | raster | ScaredyCat: a few steps at a time |
| 21:17.36 | raster | cb22: right now - thin air |
| 21:17.37 | raster | :) |
| 21:17.55 | raster | the whole layout |
| 21:18.11 | raster | keys and what seaquences of presses and releases they produce are entirely in a text config file |
| 21:18.16 | raster | for now it loads just 1 config |
| 21:18.27 | raster | but i'll add in config (layout) switching later |
| 21:18.32 | ScaredyCat | :D |
| 21:18.38 | raster | but as it stands it can do a "http://" key |
| 21:18.40 | raster | as such |
| 21:18.42 | ewon | ScaredyCat: I know, but for a cheap hacking device it can't be too bad |
| 21:18.46 | raster | its inherent in the cfg |
| 21:19.05 | raster | i'm just goign to xtest extension fake they stuff |
| 21:19.18 | ScaredyCat | ewon: there must be better |
| 21:19.49 | cb22 | it should have a dbus interface too :) |
| 21:19.49 | ScaredyCat | is it done yet raster? |
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| 21:23.42 | raster | working... on... it |
| 21:23.55 | raster | so far i have a firly minimal kbd config |
| 21:24.00 | raster | with.... 5 keys |
| 21:24.04 | raster | a bit minimal if u ask me |
| 21:24.16 | ScaredyCat | no vowels |
| 21:24.18 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 21:27.49 | raster | i guess the main thing here is to have a kbd anyone can easily do a new layotu for |
| 21:27.51 | raster | for a new langauge |
| 21:27.53 | raster | or use |
| 21:28.13 | raster | so i am concerned about making it flexible |
| 21:28.15 | raster | so need to take time |
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| 21:29.16 | ^james^ | patch tues |
| 21:29.58 | ScaredyCat | only for some |
| 21:31.09 | ^james^ | does that guy that owns or somethin openmoko that i read about in linuxjournal hang out in here? |
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| 21:36.17 | seal20 | hello |
| 21:36.49 | seal20 | is someone could help me about ssh connection |
| 21:36.58 | seal20 | with the neo |
| 21:37.47 | polz | seal20: what seems to be the problem ? |
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| 21:38.52 | seal20 | i don't know ho ti connect to my phone |
| 21:38.55 | seal20 | via ssh |
| 21:39.11 | polz | have you set up the network ? |
| 21:39.21 | seal20 | ? |
| 21:39.41 | seal20 | I WORST in lan |
| 21:39.44 | polz | I presume you've connected the phone to a USB port |
| 21:39.50 | seal20 | yes |
| 21:39.55 | polz | have you done anything else ? |
| 21:40.17 | seal20 | juste boot it in special boot mode |
| 21:40.34 | polz | what does that mean ? |
| 21:41.04 | polz | what sort of special boot mode are you talking about ? |
| 21:41.14 | seal20 | when you startup your phone you press on button |
| 21:41.18 | ahven | bootloader? |
| 21:41.22 | seal20 | yes |
| 21:41.31 | ahven | you must boot into normal mode |
| 21:41.36 | polz | you can't ssh into the bootloader |
| 21:41.55 | ahven | bootloader is mainly for flashing Neo |
| 21:47.59 | seal20 | nothing else |
| 21:48.40 | seal20 | i have type ssh -X root@192.168.0.202 |
| 21:48.50 | seal20 | but timeout |
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| 21:51.29 | polz | seal20: first of all, you have to get the phone to boot. |
| 21:51.46 | polz | seal20: then you have to set up the networking |
| 21:51.54 | seal20 | i have boot normaly then |
| 21:52.04 | seal20 | i have type the command |
| 21:52.13 | polz | by default, the neo is set to the address 192.168.0.202 |
| 21:52.47 | raster | ok |
| 21:52.52 | raster | my kbd has 2 rows |
| 21:52.54 | polz | so you have to set up your computer so the USB ethernet device the Neo presents itself as has the address 192.168.0.200 |
| 21:53.21 | polz | raster: mine has 6 :) |
| 21:53.36 | polz | and multiple keys :P |
| 21:53.56 | raster | polz: but is yours crammed in a corner of a 2.8" 480x640 locd? |
| 21:53.58 | raster | lcd |
| 21:53.59 | raster | :) |
| 21:54.24 | polz | raster: close, it's lying just below (and attached to) a 7'' 800x480 LCD :P |
| 21:55.16 | ewon | awaits the gta02 |
| 21:55.47 | polz | ewon: don't forget to breathe |
| 21:56.08 | raboof | ;) |
| 21:57.06 | polz | raster: are you THE raster ? |
| 21:57.07 | seal20 | ping is not responding |
| 21:57.45 | polz | seal20: have you set up the networking on your computer ? |
| 21:58.16 | raster | polz: i'm little red riding hood actually. |
| 21:58.20 | raster | though i'mneither little |
| 21:58.23 | raster | nor red |
| 21:58.31 | raster | nor do i wear a riding hood |
| 21:58.31 | Qwell | but you are riding hood? |
| 21:58.37 | raster | in fact come think of it |
| 21:58.37 | raster | i |
| 21:58.39 | seal20 | yes |
| 21:58.46 | polz | raster: do you collect flowers ? |
| 21:58.48 | raster | i'm nothing like little red riding hood |
| 21:58.48 | seal20 | i see my phone |
| 21:59.07 | Qwell | raster: exactly the same in every way, except all of them? |
| 21:59.09 | seal20 | on network interface |
| 21:59.22 | raster | Qwell: EXACTLY! |
| 21:59.23 | raster | :) |
| 22:00.03 | polz | seal20: that's good. Now, have you set up your computer so it assigns the IP 192.168.0.200 to the USB network device ? |
| 22:00.42 | seal20 | how to |
| 22:00.53 | polz | does anyone here know how the port of Qt 4 + Qtopia to Openmoko (using X11) is progressing ? |
| 22:01.01 | seal20 | i used to program 8 bits micro controler so |
| 22:01.09 | polz | seal20: search for the instructions in the wiki |
| 22:01.09 | raster | polz: it works |
| 22:01.21 | seal20 | i a beat worth in lan an system |
| 22:01.22 | edistar | raster: what kind of keyboard is in your (or rather OMs) mind? any special concept? |
| 22:01.26 | seal20 | and system |
| 22:01.28 | polz | raster: how does it communicate with the GSM ? |
| 22:01.34 | raster | edistar: qwerty |
| 22:01.48 | raster | polz: just uses qtopia's stuff |
| 22:01.54 | polz | cool. |
| 22:02.06 | raster | so u either use qtopia |
| 22:02.06 | Qwell | raster: you said configurable though, right? |
| 22:02.07 | raster | or gsmd |
| 22:02.09 | raster | choose |
| 22:02.10 | polz | where do I get it ? :) |
| 22:02.11 | raster | or die |
| 22:02.14 | Qwell | (the kbd) |
| 22:02.15 | raster | Qwell: yes |
| 22:02.27 | raster | i'm doing a full(ish) qwerty layout to start |
| 22:02.28 | polz | raster: well, it's either me or gsmd |
| 22:02.39 | polz | luckily for me, gsmd likes dying :P |
| 22:02.44 | raster | as its just a cfg file... can cut it down later |
| 22:03.08 | Qwell | would how difficult it would be to get the keyboard integrated with the dialer |
| 22:03.15 | lpotter | raster: I did a virtual keyboard for X using Qt |
| 22:03.17 | raster | eh? |
| 22:03.19 | Qwell | I could see automatic digit translation being useful |
| 22:03.36 | raster | hmm |
| 22:03.45 | raster | kbd code doesnt understand multi-tap as a concept |
| 22:03.48 | Qwell | know what I mean? like abc>2, etc |
| 22:03.50 | raster | not trying to address that currently |
| 22:04.08 | raster | tho i guess reverse is easy |
| 22:04.15 | raster | ie type in "hello" |
| 22:04.28 | Qwell | 49556 |
| 22:04.32 | Qwell | erm, 43556 |
| 22:04.34 | raster | and it'll actually enter ... yesah |
| 22:04.34 | raster | that |
| 22:04.41 | polz | IMHO, the only _useful_ input method for the neo would be some sort of gesture system with audio feedback |
| 22:04.43 | Qwell | can't look at a phone and type using numpad :D |
| 22:04.43 | raster | that'd just be a different layout |
| 22:04.46 | raster | :) |
| 22:04.54 | polz | because the screen is useless in the open |
| 22:05.14 | lpotter | qtopia has full screen handwriting input |
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| 22:05.30 | Qwell | lpotter: $50 says it won't recognize a single character from me... |
| 22:05.48 | lpotter | you can train it if you need |
| 22:05.51 | polz | lpotter: how do I select that while writing a message ? |
| 22:06.15 | polz | the only options I see here are DockedKeyboard, Keyboard, Phone Keys and PredictiveKeyboard |
| 22:06.23 | lpotter | if it is enabled in the build you can switch inputs ither by a menu form the top, or the menu at the bottom |
| 22:06.30 | lpotter | phone keys |
| 22:06.43 | seal20 | <polz> whitch wiki |
| 22:06.44 | raster | the predictive kbd is quite nice |
| 22:06.48 | raster | in qtopia |
| 22:07.02 | raster | might try and hook its prediction logic in... |
| 22:07.09 | polz | if you speak english |
| 22:07.54 | polz | seal20: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 22:08.16 | seal20 | THANK |
| 22:08.58 | seal20 | BYE EVERY ONE |
| 22:09.31 | polz | lpotter: I'm using qtopia... and can't help but wonder - what's the reason for the phone taking so long to respond to a phone call ? |
| 22:09.58 | polz | I mean... often people hang up before I can pick up the call |
| 22:10.11 | polz | it takes about 1s for the phone to ring |
| 22:10.33 | lpotter | not sure why |
| 22:10.43 | polz | and then a few seconds before the buttons show up... |
| 22:11.08 | polz | and then a few more seconds after I press the Answer button for the call to actually get picked up |
| 22:11.29 | polz | lpotter: is this a case of PEBSAC or are you experiencing the same problems ? |
| 22:11.34 | raster | if (user == polz) sleep(1); |
| 22:11.36 | raster | ... |
| 22:11.41 | lpotter | known issie |
| 22:11.43 | raster | (and other such wonderful snippets) |
| 22:11.44 | raster | :) |
| 22:11.46 | lpotter | issue |
| 22:11.55 | polz | raster: maybe it's my reflexes |
| 22:12.01 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03andrew * r4249 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/ (hw/neo1973.c openmoko/README): Implement basic LIS302DL accelerometer logic. |
| 22:12.23 | polz | lpotter: so I guess you haven't identified any possible reasons yet. |
| 22:12.48 | lpotter | many reasons, actually |
| 22:12.55 | polz | raster: btw, that snippet wouldn't work, the only account I have on the neo is root :P |
| 22:13.06 | raster | polz: that's what you think! |
| 22:13.11 | polz | lpotter: written them down anzwhere ? :) |
| 22:13.12 | raster | it KNOWS who you are! |
| 22:13.14 | raster | :) |
| 22:13.24 | polz | OMGWTF |
| 22:14.09 | raster | MUHAHAHAHAHAH |
| 22:14.23 | polz | I knew the phone belongs to me, but I would never have guessed it thinks I belong to _it_ |
| 22:14.39 | polz | it all makes perfect sense now |
| 22:14.46 | polz | is Neo1973's bitch |
| 22:14.55 | polz | that's why it's acting the way it is |
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| 22:15.32 | ewon | patiently awaits the gta02 |
| 22:16.01 | polz | ewon: patiently ? PATIENTLY ? You should be instigating a riot in front of Openmoko HQ :P |
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| 22:16.13 | polz | are you a man or are you a moose ? |
| 22:16.30 | daMaestro | hopes that his gta01 is still usable [read: there is still development going on that will work with it] once the gta02 comes out |
| 22:16.38 | raster | polz: indeed. you are your phones bitch. bow downand obey! |
| 22:16.39 | raster | :) |
| 22:17.00 | ewon | polz: I'm a little bit far away from Taiwan |
| 22:17.16 | daMaestro | maybe i'll just suck it up and buy another, but sadly it's got to come a long ways or i might buy *gulp* an i[shiet]phone |
| 22:17.25 | edistar | let the crusades begin! |
| 22:17.43 | raster | he blasphemes! |
| 22:17.48 | daMaestro | lol |
| 22:17.49 | raster | STONE the heretic! |
| 22:17.51 | raster | STONE HIM! |
| 22:18.05 | raster | he has made a bargain with satan! |
| 22:18.06 | daMaestro | hey now, i bought a gta01 to support the effort |
| 22:18.10 | mwester | rather likes the iphone |
| 22:18.13 | ewon | I'd buy an iphone, if the sdk wasn't a load of bullshit and chis |
| 22:18.15 | ewon | *chips |
| 22:18.25 | raster | he has been corrupted by the dark side! |
| 22:18.26 | raster | :) |
| 22:18.26 | daMaestro | yeah, i've not looked at the sdk.. just because i don't want to |
| 22:18.50 | mwester | wishes that the community had a few more of them, it would offer a good example of what the UI should feel like in terms of responsiveness... |
| 22:18.53 | ewon | I tried to buy a gta02 when it came out, but the system swallowed my credit card number and lost my order |
| 22:19.07 | daMaestro | ah, i didn't know the gta02 is out |
| 22:19.13 | ewon | oops |
| 22:19.14 | ewon | gta01 |
| 22:19.17 | ewon | :) |
| 22:21.45 | daMaestro | yeah, i'm soon going to be needing a really nice mobile as i will be traveling much, much more |
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| 22:23.25 | edistar | suggest: a novel product, called the Neo Freerunner, non working glamo, slow gui but OSS and geek-factor |
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| 22:59.45 | djk_ | Hi y'all, quick OE question. Why do I get "sh: oe_sha256sum: not found" during the build? |
| 23:00.49 | djk_ | I'm on bitbake 1.8.10. I tried the "bitbake shasum-native" but this didn't help. |
| 23:03.18 | djk_ | Oddly, oe_sha256sum exists under build/staging, and a nonzero size, is executable, but doesn't do anything when executed. |
| 23:11.09 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4250 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/dialer/moko-history.c): |
| 23:11.09 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 2008-03-25 Thomas Wood <thomas@openedhand.com> |
| 23:11.09 | CIA-17 | openmoko: * src/dialog/moko-history.c: Implement "Create New Contact" from call |
| 23:11.09 | CIA-17 | openmoko: log |
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| 23:37.57 | mwester | And building pulseaudio says: |
| 23:38.01 | mwester | libssp.so.0, needed by /u/moko/build/tmp/staging/arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/libavahi-common.so, not found (try using -rpath or -rpath-link |
| 23:38.07 | mwester | ***CRASH*** |
| 23:38.13 | mwester | :) |
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