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| 00:03.19 | luceat | ewon: i thought emacs and vim were just texteditors :P |
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| 00:03.43 | ewon | pah! |
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| 00:04.07 | luceat | with maybe some nifty syntax-highlighting :P |
| 00:04.31 | MrKeuner | what application can I use to open the CAD files distributed on home page? |
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| 01:55.59 | retarded | #not-mathwhat does it mean when somebody used to look down on my dick like my sister used to? and i got angry at her for that and police called me the one for sexual harassments. this concept has destroyed my life |
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| 02:48.56 | dbmoodb | i heard a rumour that the v2 isn't coming out for another 6 months - on some lists |
| 02:49.06 | dbmoodb | is this looking like it could be possible ? |
| 02:49.31 | Aria | points at the topic |
| 02:49.54 | dbmoodb | yeah i know "_" good |
| 02:50.00 | dbmoodb | happyness |
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| 02:50.23 | summatusmentis | dbmoodb: I don't think anyone has a good benchmark as to when the FreeRunner will be out |
| 02:51.39 | dbmoodb | "_" again |
| 02:52.40 | summatusmentis | I don't know what that means :-) |
| 02:52.44 | summatusmentis | is that good or bad? |
| 02:53.14 | dbmoodb | i means happy stare listen-watch |
| 02:53.23 | dbmoodb | --> i'm listening and facing it |
| 02:54.13 | summatusmentis | I don't understand |
| 02:54.17 | summatusmentis | whatever :-) |
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| 04:13.27 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: ping |
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| 04:36.10 | summatusmentis | is there anyone around who will be mentoring GSoC? |
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| 05:18.05 | retarded | ok fuck why does governments bring immegrants from ugly looking countries and it's users don't want us here? are cops part of government? is law made by the governments? |
| 05:19.56 | Aria | Dude, retarded, leave. |
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| 05:24.46 | mwester | It's a bot |
| 05:25.15 | cb22 | its quite retarded |
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| 05:26.53 | retarded | Aria why? |
| 05:27.43 | Aria | You've trolled #ruby-lang and #openmoko rather a lot the past couple days. |
| 05:35.09 | retarded | Aria i am a immegrant how do you suppose i know the rules |
| 05:35.50 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4215 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (3 files in 2 dirs): gsmd: add AT commands for GTA01 devices (Erin Yueh) |
| 05:35.56 | Aria | Hundreds of people from hundreds of countries exist politely all the time. |
| 05:36.09 | Aria | Just because you live in a different country than you were born in doesn't excuse extreme rudeness. |
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| 05:54.02 | retarded | ok fuck why does governments bring immegrants from ugly looking countries(relatively ugly race like bengali) and it's citizens don't want us here? are cops part of government? is law made by the governments? who have the power to deport immegrants? |
| 05:54.23 | Aria | retarded: You just asked that. And that's off topic. |
| 05:55.22 | CM | wants the bot kicked |
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| 06:45.11 | kinneh | ·/lastlog retarded |
| 06:45.15 | kinneh | sorry |
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| 07:18.55 | peter_harrison | I don't suppose anyone knows where to get a kernel with the USB host patches already applied? |
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| 08:03.41 | ScaredyCat | awww I missed the bot |
| 08:06.12 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 08:09.35 | ScaredyCat | morning |
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| 08:33.26 | sparq | So, I've been under a rock for the last couple of months. What's new in OpenMoko land? |
| 08:38.04 | sparq | Oooo. Atheros WiFi. |
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| 08:42.02 | sparq | Wow, the GTA02 is going to be nicer than my desktop machine. ^_^ |
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| 08:42.59 | TRIsoft | morning |
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| 09:45.17 | ecraven | any estimates on the likelyhood of freerunner actually happening in april? |
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| 10:06.49 | _diego_ | quite low, but they have announced that before may will be some ufficial announce about dates |
| 10:07.22 | _diego_ | take a look at Community Update on wiki.openmoko.org (or subscribe the ML) |
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| 11:15.42 | methril | how 're the applyings for the Summer Of code? |
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| 11:20.07 | dennda | Openmoko is one of the projects for GSoC |
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| 11:21.05 | dennda | And I am a student willing to join openmoko in SoC. Unfortunately I don't know C but Python and GTK. Anyone any idea if that is fitting for some tasks or do you have to be a C-guru? |
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| 11:24.29 | methril | i'm not a guru, but i know C :D |
| 11:24.43 | methril | i'm really interesting in the IM/VoIP idea |
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| 11:25.08 | dennda | I do have some ideas I would love to realize in python and gtk for openmoko |
| 11:25.14 | dennda | Some responsible people around? |
| 11:25.32 | Stephmw | might have to wait a couple of hours for everyone to be awake :) |
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| 11:25.52 | methril | some of them are awake :) |
| 11:26.06 | methril | look myckeyl is not in zzzz state |
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| 11:32.14 | dcordes | somebody present with qvga device? |
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| 11:34.37 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: ping |
| 11:34.51 | roh | dennda python is fine, depending on what you want to do. |
| 11:35.08 | dennda | roh: user space apps |
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| 11:36.04 | dennda | But I'm not quite sure if a python-only task would be approved since I do not know if python is installed by default or if this is even important |
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| 11:36.37 | torpor | hi guys |
| 11:37.23 | roh | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2008 |
| 11:37.24 | torpor | its been about a month since i caught up with openmoko - been busy at work .. what i want to know is can i just do 'make update-makefile && make update && make openmoko-devel-image" to catch up with you all, or have there been such drastic changes to OM recently that i should rebuild (mokomakefile) from scratch? |
| 11:37.34 | Matt`SS` | Yeah I'm interested in a few OpenMoko tasks myself :D |
| 11:37.36 | torpor | i wanna get my neo1973 caught up with the latest and greatest from you guys . |
| 11:40.36 | roh | hm... why do i have the feeling we need a killer-idea for gsoc |
| 11:40.56 | roh | that stuff on the wikipage currently is kinda boring (personal opinion) |
| 11:42.08 | Matt`SS` | roh: Speaking from experience as a mentor for another org last year, the ideas that students come up with are often the ones that succeed the best |
| 11:42.43 | Matt`SS` | Because the student knows what he/she likes to do, and can make a solution that both benefits the product and also furthers his/her skills, but without it being boring |
| 11:43.39 | dennda | Is it already determined who will be Openmokos mentors? |
| 11:43.42 | dennda | I need one :) |
| 11:43.48 | methril | me too :D |
| 11:43.50 | roh | Matt`SS` heh.. i suspected something like that. |
| 11:44.07 | Matt`SS` | dennda: Normally the org will determine mentors once it knows how many slots Google has given them |
| 11:44.12 | Matt`SS` | And what students will be doing what projects |
| 11:44.18 | Matt`SS` | roh: :) |
| 11:44.33 | roh | dennda i dunno. mickey did the organisation so far |
| 11:44.50 | Matt`SS` | It's kind of the opposite to a student - the student will submit a proposal, if it gets accepted by Google and a slot allocated, then a mentor will be assigned then |
| 11:45.08 | Matt`SS` | Of course, mentors are usually more active earlier and might be around on IRC etc, but then again they might not be |
| 11:45.18 | Matt`SS` | if that makes any sense at all ;D |
| 11:45.22 | dennda | Matt`SS`: So I should have ideas to come up with for a specific project *now*? |
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| 11:45.43 | dennda | It isn't just enough to say "Hey, I am Linus Torvald's son. Pick me if you like me."? |
| 11:46.24 | Matt`SS` | dennda: No - in fact that will get you negative points usually |
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| 11:46.34 | Matt`SS` | At least, in my limited experience being a mentor last year for SilverStripe |
| 11:48.17 | dennda | Ok |
| 11:48.31 | Matt`SS` | dennda: Students can submit proposals to the org (via the Google system) within the next few days (starting on the 24th) - see this for more details: http://code.google.com/opensource/gsoc/2008/faqs.html#0.1_student_apply |
| 11:48.39 | dennda | I will then torture my mind to come up with $cool_ideas and talk to the corresponding mentors, right? |
| 11:48.51 | Matt`SS` | :) Yep |
| 11:49.01 | Matt`SS` | If none of the ideas already on the page strike your fancy |
| 11:49.21 | dennda | ok, thanks |
| 11:49.29 | Matt`SS | Hope that helps =] |
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| 11:52.27 | roh | dennda i think its best you just add project ideas to the wiki and send mickeyl a mail |
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| 12:00.39 | dcordes | roh, "Port OpenMoko to the Motorola EZX mobile phones" (from soc ideas) isn't that already done? |
| 12:00.46 | dcordes | glances at a780 |
| 12:01.24 | roh | dcordes well... i think it would still need polishing, etc, but i dunno. i do not have a ezx |
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| 12:07.36 | ScaredyCat | dcordes: it can't be 'done' since om isn't done. |
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| 12:09.09 | Matt`SS | Are there VM's and/or emulators for OpenMoko? I've had a quick look but can't find anything |
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| 12:09.48 | Stephmw | certainly - there's the qemu stuff |
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| 12:11.21 | Matt`SS | Ah sweet, will try searching for that instead =] |
| 12:12.15 | Stephmw | iirc the section in the wiki is under MokoMakefile |
| 12:12.34 | Matt`SS | Awesome, thanks Stephmw. I found http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qemu among others |
| 12:13.13 | Stephmw | Matt`SS: have a look at this too, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Running_OpenMoko_on_PC |
| 12:13.29 | Matt`SS | Cheers :) |
| 12:14.41 | Matt`SS | Oh sweet, you can ssh in. Clever |
| 12:15.41 | summatusmentis | who would be the mentor for the dbus stuff from the SoC ideas? |
| 12:16.20 | Robot101 | what's the dbus stuff? |
| 12:17.07 | summatusmentis | there are a couple of projects that are suggested could be donew/ dbus |
| 12:20.53 | summatusmentis | like the widgets, and the event handling infrastructure stuff could be done at the same time |
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| 12:30.34 | roh | Matt`SS yap. we have a patched qemu which emulates the hw well enough to boot unmodified images intended for the real hw on it |
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| 12:38.55 | Matt`SS | roh: Yep, checking it all out now. Looks promising |
| 12:39.20 | Matt`SS | Don't want to setup dual-boot, so might resurrect my other box for it |
| 12:39.53 | Matt`SS | although running vmware -> ubuntu -> qemu -> openmoko might actually emulate the speed of the openmoko hardware pretty well :P |
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| 12:46.35 | krish | Matt`SS: ? |
| 12:46.44 | krish | vmware -> ubuntu -> qemu -> openmoko |
| 12:47.29 | ScaredyCat | Matt`SS: it wouldn;t Qemu isn't nearly fast enough on its own |
| 12:47.48 | roh | Matt`SS eek ;) |
| 12:47.51 | Matt`SS | Ah fair enough. |
| 12:48.53 | Matt`SS | krish: Only because a) I want to try Ubuntu Gutsy anyway; 2) I run Windows for games; 3) There's a 'just do this and it'll work' page for ubuntu and qemu on the wiki (link: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Automatic_emulation_in_Ubuntu) :) |
| 12:49.05 | roh | on recent cpus qemu is about as fast as freerunner, so a bit more than on the real neo, but when you are on a 2year old system qemu on bare metal linux is about same speed as the neo1973 (gta01) |
| 12:51.09 | ScaredyCat | i think you probably need to be a little more specific than a '2 year old system' roh :) |
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| 12:52.23 | Matt`SS | ah true. We'll I'll see how quick it is |
| 12:52.52 | Matt`SS | For now I just want something setup so I can confirm it all works and I'm not going to have to buy the hardware way in advance to get it shipped here in time (here = New Zealand) |
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| 13:12.55 | thos | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/260c7ca215bd45c84dcf9439a667219a.png |
| 13:13.02 | thos | anyone spot the change in this dialer? |
| 13:13.33 | zash | "test"? |
| 13:14.06 | ScaredyCat | no that's been there for a while... |
| 13:14.40 | ScaredyCat | it puts your contacts that match along the top, they get more refined the more you type and you can select them |
| 13:14.42 | robster | thos: :-P |
| 13:14.50 | zash | oh |
| 13:14.54 | thos | zash, ScaredyCat, nope neither of those |
| 13:14.57 | ScaredyCat | the text is far too small if you have chubby fingers though |
| 13:15.09 | thos | ScaredyCat, I know all the features, I developed a lot of it :-P |
| 13:15.28 | ScaredyCat | I was talking to zash, thos... |
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| 13:15.48 | ScaredyCat | the numbers now have text on them |
| 13:15.58 | zash | i have never seen that before |
| 13:16.03 | ScaredyCat | what? |
| 13:16.20 | zash | the contacts-thingy |
| 13:16.24 | zash | in the dialer |
| 13:16.51 | ScaredyCat | oh, it's been there a while;.. |
| 13:17.18 | zash | nice |
| 13:17.22 | ScaredyCat | ou'd probably only notice it recently if you had contacts on your sim that got imported (recent addition) or if you'd added contacts |
| 13:17.34 | ScaredyCat | thos: the b/g is black too |
| 13:17.37 | zash | only tried in qemu :( |
| 13:17.42 | ScaredyCat | oh, ok |
| 13:18.23 | zash | hm |
| 13:18.26 | thos | ScaredyCat, well done, you got it :-) |
| 13:18.27 | dcordes | ScaredyCat, can you do me a favour and try building packages/openmoko2/openmoko-icon-theme-standard2-qvga_svn.bb ? |
| 13:18.30 | thos | ScaredyCat, think it's an improvement? |
| 13:18.37 | ScaredyCat | yes... |
| 13:18.42 | thos | cool |
| 13:18.55 | thos | I'll make a patch and send it to openmoko-devel |
| 13:18.59 | zash | what if one could choose which contact to autocomplete by pressing on the number and dragging in some direction |
| 13:19.16 | thos | zash, you can't drag and drop on the neo screen |
| 13:19.20 | ScaredyCat | can you make the text for the contacts bigger too thos? |
| 13:19.25 | thos | ScaredyCat, sure |
| 13:19.28 | thos | ScaredyCat, how big? |
| 13:19.29 | zash | thos: not? |
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| 13:19.40 | thos | zash, it's too small and awkward |
| 13:19.43 | zash | :( |
| 13:19.44 | krish | what is on 0 and # |
| 13:19.50 | ScaredyCat | not sure thos, it's too small to click |
| 13:22.01 | thos | ScaredyCat, only question is where does the space come from |
| 13:22.08 | thos | ScaredyCat, i.e. what do we make smaller |
| 13:22.27 | ScaredyCat | dunno... |
| 13:23.03 | ScaredyCat | how about a digit before each one, if you press and hold that digit (for say 3 seconds) it uses that number |
| 13:24.06 | Matt`SS | Make the actual number you're dialing smaller |
| 13:24.08 | Matt`SS | ? |
| 13:24.52 | krish | thos: space should be on 0 or # |
| 13:24.54 | zash | TAB! |
| 13:24.58 | Matt`SS | Also, the 'Dial' button takes up three columns on the right, but at least here I can only easily see that it takes up the top 2 - maybe make it only the height of ~ 2 buttons, move delete down and have the last on the right? |
| 13:25.06 | dcordes | can somebody try openmoko-icon-theme-standard2-qvga? |
| 13:25.08 | thos | krish, space? |
| 13:25.21 | ScaredyCat | Matt`SS: it gets smaller the longer the number is |
| 13:25.22 | krish | space yes |
| 13:25.23 | zash | space in a phonenumber? |
| 13:25.30 | Matt`SS | Ah, right-o |
| 13:25.31 | krish | no |
| 13:25.45 | krish | i meant on normal phones |
| 13:25.50 | krish | not on openmoko |
| 13:26.05 | ScaredyCat | why is there a p on my 0 |
| 13:26.06 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 13:26.19 | ScaredyCat | and a w on my # |
| 13:26.39 | zash | on my phone, + p w is on * |
| 13:26.44 | krish | ScaredyCat: thanks for repeating my question. I hope ppl answer now |
| 13:26.51 | ScaredyCat | bleh! |
| 13:27.15 | Matt`SS | When I said columns, I really meant rows earlier |
| 13:27.19 | thos | ScaredyCat, p == pause |
| 13:27.20 | krish | why not allow openmoko to store number in format xxx-xxx-xxxx |
| 13:27.31 | ScaredyCat | thos: and w? |
| 13:27.39 | thos | err |
| 13:28.01 | krish | using hyphen - for clarity like 236-456-3445 |
| 13:28.01 | ScaredyCat | krish: because not every country display numbers like the USA |
| 13:28.23 | krish | ScaredyCat: for every 10 digit number it can be converted |
| 13:28.40 | krish | like in india say 998998998 = 998-998-8998 |
| 13:28.53 | krish | internally - can be ignored while dialing |
| 13:29.01 | ScaredyCat | why? |
| 13:29.23 | ScaredyCat | why force a representation of the number on people? |
| 13:29.31 | zash | in .se its usualy formatted as ###-### ## ## |
| 13:29.32 | zash | orsomething |
| 13:29.33 | Matt`SS | Easier readability? |
| 13:29.36 | ScaredyCat | sure if you localise it then no problem |
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| 13:29.43 | Matt`SS | Problem is, l10n |
| 13:29.55 | thos | ScaredyCat, er, no idea :-) |
| 13:29.55 | krish | i mean people should not be bothered to add - while storing numbers. they just store it 2364563445 and our program changes that to show on UI as 236-456-3445 |
| 13:30.05 | Matt`SS | ScaredyCat: heh |
| 13:30.22 | krish | localise! I doubt its still a dream |
| 13:30.39 | ScaredyCat | thos: heheh |
| 13:32.18 | krish | i think legibility and readability will be good |
| 13:37.12 | thos | krish, that's fine if you are in the US |
| 13:37.23 | thos | krish, otherwise, most countries have different grouping schemes |
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| 13:38.13 | zash | is there a locale phonenumber formatting-thingy? |
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| 13:39.21 | thos | zash, no |
| 13:39.27 | Matt`SS | zash: *shrug* I know here in New Zealand there's a few different ways of writing a phone number |
| 13:39.36 | Matt`SS | There's no official way that I know of |
| 13:39.51 | thos | zash, in the UK, area codes are not always the same length |
| 13:40.05 | thos | zash, so it would be pretty much impossible unless you had a list of all available area codes |
| 13:40.19 | Matt`SS | If you want to do it at all, I guess a few generic options would suffice |
| 13:41.14 | Matt`SS | I would imagine the most popular would be (starting from right to left), first 4 characters, hyphen, next 3 characters, hyphen, next 3, hyphen etc |
| 13:41.37 | Matt`SS | But again, it often comes down to personal preference |
| 13:42.10 | krish | hmm ok. bad idea from me |
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| 13:42.51 | Matt`SS | It's a nice idea, but probably not worth it *shrug* I'm newer than new here :P |
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| 13:43.01 | thos | krish, I guess this is why most phones don't have this option :-) |
| 13:43.07 | thos | krish, it would be nice if it was easy |
| 13:44.19 | madwoota | matt`ss - there is an official way |
| 13:44.23 | krish | will try to use more cpu cycles of his head next time |
| 13:45.30 | Matt`SS | madwoota: Oh really? Got a link? (Not that I doubt, I'm just interested) |
| 13:45.50 | madwoota | something.gov.nz :P |
| 13:46.48 | madwoota | depends which number type you mean tho |
| 13:47.42 | ScaredyCat | 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9-0 like that <---- :P |
| 13:47.48 | madwoota | pretty much all numbers are split into npa (area code), cop (exchange prefix) and line (the number) |
| 13:48.08 | Matt`SS | True |
| 13:48.15 | krish | ScaredyCat: bleh |
| 13:48.30 | Matt`SS | But what I mean is that while the official might be 04-555-1234 or whatever, lots of people tend to write 04-5551-234 |
| 13:48.47 | Matt`SS | I dunno why, I guess they're crazy :P |
| 13:48.47 | krish | ok atleast a hyphen after the country code |
| 13:48.49 | torpor | so whats up folks? |
| 13:49.01 | madwoota | if 04 is the area code, it will be 04 555 1234 |
| 13:49.08 | madwoota | line is (almost) always 4 digits |
| 13:49.14 | torpor | anyone writing anything interesting? whats with the piano app on scap.linuxtogo.org anyone know? |
| 13:49.16 | madwoota | the others vary |
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| 13:50.19 | krish | what is best way to write a game for openmoko? |
| 13:50.50 | thos | krish, learn C/GTK+ |
| 13:51.00 | playya | hi |
| 13:51.01 | Matt`SS | madwoota: The problem is, that's the way most of NZ does it. Presumably other countries are different |
| 13:51.19 | krish | thos: for a FPS kinda game? |
| 13:51.29 | playya | anyone knows which vodafone name has the htc magician? |
| 13:51.31 | madwoota | how people choose to remember them can be different from 'the official way' |
| 13:51.34 | thos | krish, oh, in that case "give up" |
| 13:51.35 | madwoota | you asked for 'official' :P |
| 13:51.57 | krish | thos: :_( |
| 13:52.28 | krish | thos: atleast 1person side scroll |
| 13:52.33 | krish | something like mario |
| 13:52.48 | thos | maybe you could use GTK then |
| 13:52.56 | krish | hmm ok |
| 13:53.06 | thos | i.e. use GDK and GdkPixbuf for the actual drawing |
| 13:53.14 | krish | GDK |
| 13:53.32 | thos | but you could use pixmaps to get best performance I guess |
| 13:53.40 | krish | hmm |
| 13:53.58 | krish | can it qualify as gsoc project? |
| 13:54.12 | thos | krish, if you can persuade someone to mentor you |
| 13:54.55 | krish | looks at thos with pleading/persuading cute eyes |
| 13:54.59 | ScaredyCat | settingsgui looks good, such a shame it has so many deps and takes up so much space |
| 13:55.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1280 has been created by lukas.gorris(AT)gmx.de |
| 13:55.02 | cdbot2 | * * qvga themes/icons do not build due to unmatched dependencies |
| 13:55.04 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1280 |
| 13:58.46 | krish | cya guys bye |
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| 14:05.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1281 has been created by lukas.gorris(AT)gmx.de |
| 14:05.03 | cdbot2 | * * mach htcblueangel builds vga themes, not qvga |
| 14:05.05 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1281 |
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| 14:16.08 | kristian-m | ScaredyCat well there is nothing I can do about that... - maybe I'll try linking the app and interpreter into a binary at some point. - I am really trying to keep the deps small - no python-dbus or pygsm needed for example... |
| 14:17.46 | ScaredyCat | I just saying, it's a good app spoiled by the requirement for all those libs.. it's a real shame, although I guess less of an issue on an 02? |
| 14:18.20 | ScaredyCat | but it looks impressive, especially now it looks like you can scan for bt stuff :) |
| 14:18.22 | kristian-m | ScaredyCat but once you've got python and pygtk on your neo, there are more apps you can use too - i think it should be part of the image |
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| 14:20.05 | kristian-m | ScaredyCat thanks :-) - i've got some pritty neat stuff here, for my master thesis, that i can't release yet - using bt and python.... - wait 2 months, it'll blow you away ;-) |
| 14:20.48 | zedstar_ | how big are python dependencies? |
| 14:20.56 | ScaredyCat | ok, in the meantime 0.8 is the latest version, right? |
| 14:21.28 | zedstar_ | out of interest to write a d-bus app in python what are we talking in terms of shared libraries etc |
| 14:21.57 | kristian-m | ScaredyCat right. - though i dont know if i'll find time for a 0.9 in the comming weeks - it's all a bit busy |
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| 14:22.37 | kristian-m | zedstar actually it would not mean that much overhead to include dbus once you've got python - it's about 7 MB |
| 14:22.40 | ScaredyCat | yeah, nm, I'm just going to add it to my other 'apps to build' listing |
| 14:23.16 | zedstar_ | kristian: so about 7MB of libraries plus interpreter then your app on top? |
| 14:23.42 | kristian-m | ScaredyCat thanks :-) - there is an .bb in openembedded already and one that alessandro has buid (including menuentry and the icon), would be great if it could be updated |
| 14:24.04 | kristian-m | zedstar nop, about 7MB + the app |
| 14:24.43 | kristian-m | zedstar though i haven't looked it up lately - could be less with only the .pyo files in the package |
| 14:24.49 | zedstar_ | kristian: ok.... and in terms of memory use when running it loads some shared libraries.....u know how much that is as a rough % of other apps running? |
| 14:26.07 | kristian-m | zedstar hmm, havent checked that - i guess about some MBs of ram. - it's not really interfering with the system - even if mplayer is playing a video |
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| 14:26.51 | zedstar_ | kristian: ok just curious as i was looking at doing some d-bus stuff but adding in some dependencies also |
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| 14:27.45 | kristian-m | zedstar ah, okay. - never mind that, you can optimize later ;-) |
| 14:28.16 | zedstar_ | kristian: if it works dont try and fix it ;) |
| 14:30.04 | ScaredyCat | that stupid flashig disk icon is annoying... it keeps apearing between the BT icon and kb, so the kb moves all the time |
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| 14:33.15 | dennda | running openmoko with qemu using the ubuntu wiki tutorial causes this error to ocurr: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/34173/ |
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| 14:34.33 | Matt`SS | dennda: I think I have the same error |
| 14:34.48 | Matt`SS | What happens when you do "make run-qemu"? |
| 14:35.54 | dennda | Matt`SS: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/34175/ |
| 14:36.07 | Matt`SS | Yep, same error here |
| 14:36.18 | Matt`SS | Just tried with a fresh install of Gutsy running in a vmware instance |
| 14:36.45 | Matt`SS | I need sleep now (3.40am) but might have a look at it sometime this week. Not likely to be too successful though :P |
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| 14:38.03 | thos | where do you think a "save to contacts" button should be in dialer? |
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| 14:42.25 | ScaredyCat | opkg sucks |
| 14:42.44 | zecke | ScaredyCat: fix it? |
| 14:42.46 | ScaredyCat | thos: in the dialer? |
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| 14:43.25 | ScaredyCat | ipkg works zecke... |
| 14:43.38 | zecke | ScaredyCat: then use that? |
| 14:43.42 | ScaredyCat | I did |
| 14:45.23 | ScaredyCat | thos: maybe another tab at the bottom |
| 14:45.25 | ScaredyCat | ? |
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| 14:46.40 | ScaredyCat | like a 'this contact edit' tab |
| 14:47.01 | ScaredyCat | also I don't see a way to add a contact from the call log, which would be nice too |
| 14:49.32 | thos | ScaredyCat, that's what I was talking about |
| 14:49.50 | thos | ScaredyCat, adding a contact from the call log |
| 14:49.57 | thos | ScaredyCat, the call log is in the dialer applicatoin |
| 14:50.01 | thos | ScaredyCat, and what's the matter with opkg? |
| 14:50.49 | ScaredyCat | ok, yes, I thought you meant from the actual dial page, not the log.. |
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| 14:53.04 | ScaredyCat | thos: it doesn't work. opkg[-cl] install blah just complains. |
| 14:53.33 | ScaredyCat | although thankfully ipkg does work... isn't opkg supposed to be just a refresh of ipkg? |
| 14:54.49 | Vegar | yeah |
| 14:56.20 | ScaredyCat | thos: http://pastebin.ca/947462 |
| 14:56.23 | ScaredyCat | example |
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| 14:57.59 | ScaredyCat | both are after updates... |
| 14:58.18 | ScaredyCat | .. I am of course assuming something here... |
| 14:58.43 | ScaredyCat | tht opkg isn't using a different package format... since that would be just stupid. |
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| 14:59.27 | ScaredyCat | and Im pretty sure mickeyl said the format was the same... |
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| 15:08.54 | wurp2|away | I've been told the format for both is the same as .deb |
| 15:17.47 | ScaredyCat | yes, I meant the package listing format - sorry |
| 15:17.58 | ScaredyCat | rather than the .ipk file format |
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| 15:20.44 | thos | ScaredyCat, I assume you do not have /usr/lib/opkg |
| 15:21.04 | thos | ScaredyCat, or /etc/opkg |
| 15:21.40 | thos | ScaredyCat, opkg != ipkg, it will not use the same configuration files |
| 15:22.54 | ScaredyCat | I have both of those, and yes I know they don;t use the same config files... I'm talking about the file format of the Packages.list.. |
| 15:23.06 | thos | ScaredyCat, it's identical |
| 15:23.12 | thos | ScaredyCat, opkg has not changed in that respect |
| 15:23.20 | ScaredyCat | each was updated ipkg update and opkg-cl update |
| 15:23.43 | ScaredyCat | opkg just doesn't find stuff |
| 15:23.51 | thos | ScaredyCat, so what does opkg update do? |
| 15:24.04 | ScaredyCat | it grabs the same files |
| 15:24.21 | thos | ScaredyCat, can I see the output please |
| 15:24.24 | ScaredyCat | are the .sig files a requirement? |
| 15:24.27 | ScaredyCat | sure |
| 15:24.37 | thos | no, it will just warn if .sig files are missing |
| 15:25.44 | ScaredyCat | http://pastebin.ca/947496 |
| 15:26.22 | thos | ScaredyCat, "Updated list of available packages in /var/lib/ipkg/fic-gta01" |
| 15:26.31 | thos | ScaredyCat, sounds like you have a patched version of opkg |
| 15:26.35 | thos | with a broken patch |
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| 15:27.58 | ScaredyCat | mm .. it's a stock opkg from oe.dev so unless the .bb patches it... |
| 15:28.07 | ScaredyCat | but that still makes it broken :) |
| 15:28.58 | thos | ScaredyCat, one of the first things done to ipkg was 's/ipkg/opkg/' |
| 15:29.07 | thos | ScaredyCat, so you should never see any reference to ipkg in opkg :-) |
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| 15:32.36 | ScaredyCat | build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/opkg-0.0+svnr4210-r2> grep -R "ipkg" ./ | wc -l |
| 15:32.36 | ScaredyCat | grep: ./install/libopkg-dev/usr/lib/libopkg.so: No such file or directory |
| 15:32.36 | ScaredyCat | 114 |
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| 15:35.12 | thos | ScaredyCat, I use mtn.om.org |
| 15:35.28 | ScaredyCat | uses dev |
| 15:35.28 | thos | ScaredyCat, I saw an "ipkg compat" patch flying around somewhere |
| 15:35.59 | ScaredyCat | it was just an observation really.. |
| 15:36.20 | thos | ScaredyCat, well, if you says "opkg sucks" when the opkg developer is in the room, what do you expect :-P |
| 15:36.42 | ScaredyCat | surely you mean ipkg :P |
| 15:37.06 | ScaredyCat | i mean if it was a s/ipkg/opkg/ |
| 15:37.24 | thos | ? |
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| 15:37.35 | ScaredyCat | [2008-03-18 15:27:53] <thos> ScaredyCat, one of the first things done to ipkg was 's/ipkg/opkg/' |
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| 15:41.44 | thos | ScaredyCat, I think I missed something there |
| 15:41.46 | thos | ScaredyCat, anyway |
| 15:42.05 | thos | ScaredyCat, apart from "WFM" I would blame the OE patches |
| 15:42.16 | ScaredyCat | probably.... I'm trying to type in 7 different screens |
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| 15:46.17 | thos | ScaredyCat, is seems opkg-ipkg-compat.bb is wrong actually |
| 15:46.30 | thos | I wonder if openmoko are using that |
| 15:47.10 | gi-el | humz |
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| 16:16.28 | ScaredyCat | thos: you patch wasn't in :( |
| 16:17.32 | thos | ScaredyCat, no, I know |
| 16:17.48 | ScaredyCat | :'( |
| 16:17.49 | thos | ScaredyCat, but erin mailed me to ask me to commit it :-) |
| 16:18.11 | ScaredyCat | ..and ... you have? |
| 16:18.29 | thos | ScaredyCat, I got the mail this morning, I haven't had a chance to commit yet |
| 16:18.44 | thos | I'm currently adding a save button the the call log window |
| 16:18.46 | andylockran | kewl.. is apt a bot |
| 16:18.48 | ScaredyCat | starts poking thos with a poking stick |
| 16:19.05 | andylockran | I like sausages |
| 16:19.09 | andylockran | s/sausages/carrotts |
| 16:19.30 | Qwell | andylockran: fail :D |
| 16:19.31 | ScaredyCat | apparently apt doesn;t like you :P |
| 16:19.39 | andylockran | aww :( |
| 16:19.41 | Qwell | I love apt. |
| 16:19.43 | Qwell | s/apt/jbot/ |
| 16:19.55 | andylockran | s/sausages/carrotts/ |
| 16:20.01 | andylockran | I like sausages. |
| 16:20.02 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 16:20.03 | andylockran | s/sausages/carrotts/ |
| 16:20.07 | andylockran | yay! |
| 16:20.10 | andylockran | forgot the trailing / |
| 16:20.23 | andylockran | I run qtopia on my neo.. |
| 16:20.26 | andylockran | s/qtopia/openmoko/ |
| 16:20.32 | ScaredyCat | s/andylockran// |
| 16:20.35 | andylockran | right, I'll stop now |
| 16:20.41 | andylockran | yeah, makes sense ScaredyCat |
| 16:20.43 | Qwell | s/neo/hamster/ |
| 16:21.04 | ScaredyCat | thos: so when do you expect to commit? |
| 16:21.06 | andylockran | really pleased with how everything is going with openmoko.. I liked Michael's email the other day |
| 16:21.16 | prpplague | chick-o-sticks are better than carrotts |
| 16:21.43 | andylockran | prpplague: that may well be the case |
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| 16:24.38 | ScaredyCat | mmm... I wonder if gsmd is lying about the signal strength |
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| 16:28.32 | ScaredyCat | who was having audio probs again? |
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| 16:35.29 | ScaredyCat | chants .., |
| 16:35.32 | ScaredyCat | thos thos thos |
| 16:35.41 | thos | hi |
| 16:36.21 | ScaredyCat | just waiting for your commit :) |
| 16:36.58 | ScaredyCat | XorA|gone: ping |
| 16:39.38 | thos | ScaredyCat, still adding that save button :-P |
| 16:39.58 | ScaredyCat | wonders if thos types really slow ;) |
| 16:41.02 | ScaredyCat | is there a pigin plugin for twitter? |
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| 16:44.44 | thos | ScaredyCat, well, ok, I've finished adding the button |
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| 16:44.54 | thos | ScaredyCat, I'm now *implementing* the action :-P |
| 16:44.54 | ScaredyCat | does it work ? |
| 16:44.59 | ScaredyCat | roflamo |
| 16:45.07 | ScaredyCat | lamo? |
| 16:45.12 | ScaredyCat | roflmao |
| 16:47.03 | andylockran | the suspense is tangible |
| 16:47.17 | andylockran | s/tangible/increasing/ |
| 16:47.19 | thos | oddly enough, just adding a button to an application isn't enough to make it do anything |
| 16:48.01 | ScaredyCat | well, no.. but adding a button should take you, well not very long... I suspect you're surfing pr0n at the same time ;) |
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| 16:49.53 | kdean06 | ScaredyCat, Any luck with the audio issues? |
| 16:50.00 | thos | ScaredyCat, I told you, I already added the button :-P |
| 16:50.00 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 16:50.09 | ScaredyCat | kdean06: that is |
| 16:50.24 | ScaredyCat | thos: yes, but it seemed to take a long time... |
| 16:50.25 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 16:50.30 | kdean06 | Status update? :P |
| 16:50.31 | ScaredyCat | kdean06: ... |
| 16:50.36 | ScaredyCat | http://buildhost.automated.it/ |
| 16:50.41 | kdean06 | :) |
| 16:50.46 | ScaredyCat | new state files |
| 16:51.01 | ScaredyCat | http://buildhost.automated.it/new_state_files.tar.gz |
| 16:51.03 | ScaredyCat | even |
| 16:51.08 | ScaredyCat | try those... |
| 16:51.20 | ScaredyCat | they seem to work on my device.... (01) |
| 16:51.26 | kdean06 | Will do. |
| 16:51.41 | kdean06 | Do you have an 02 to specify that? ;) |
| 16:52.19 | ScaredyCat | no... but I thought I'd mention it :) |
| 16:52.20 | Vegar | there were some changes to gsmd today |
| 16:52.28 | kdean06 | lol |
| 16:52.50 | Vegar | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:53.26 | ScaredyCat | yeah, but the state files are broken... so you wouldn;t hear anything Vegar |
| 16:53.46 | Vegar | ok |
| 16:55.23 | ScaredyCat | pokes kdean06 with a hand made poking stick |
| 16:55.33 | kdean06 | O_o |
| 16:55.37 | kdean06 | You and the perpetual poking. |
| 16:56.28 | ScaredyCat | have you tested yet? |
| 16:56.29 | ScaredyCat | have you tested yet? |
| 16:56.33 | ScaredyCat | what bout now |
| 16:56.34 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 16:56.35 | kdean06 | No, I'm flashing today's images. |
| 16:56.41 | ScaredyCat | gneh! |
| 16:57.19 | thos | ScaredyCat, comitted |
| 16:57.22 | thos | ScaredyCat, r412 |
| 16:57.27 | ScaredyCat | hurrah!!! |
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| 16:58.01 | ScaredyCat | did you bump the revision |
| 16:59.24 | thos | no |
| 16:59.27 | kdean06 | Either there's an "issue" or I have a corrupted flash. :P |
| 16:59.40 | thos | ScaredyCat, I don't have access to OE |
| 16:59.57 | ScaredyCat | :( |
| 17:00.27 | ScaredyCat | kdean06: ? |
| 17:00.46 | kdean06 | Sorry, not pertaining to your state files. :P |
| 17:01.33 | kdean06 | I probably won't be poking at them for "a bit". But I got an init mismatch so it's possible that today's rootfs won't run since there's no usable kernel with it. |
| 17:01.48 | ScaredyCat | oops |
| 17:01.51 | ScaredyCat | mm.... |
| 17:02.20 | kdean06 | I'll still test your statefiles though. :P |
| 17:02.41 | kdean06 | I'm a bit irritated that sound has been broken for this long without a default fix. |
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| 17:03.01 | wurp2 | kdean06: 'a bit'? |
| 17:03.04 | wurp2 | ;-) |
| 17:03.19 | kdean06 | A bit. :) |
| 17:04.53 | wurp2 | I really appreciate you buffering me from that |
| 17:05.05 | wurp2 | I don't have to be irritated when the build is broken, 'cause I just don't install it. |
| 17:05.25 | kdean06 | I'm rather eager to review the GTA02 image. :) |
| 17:05.39 | kdean06 | Those would be much more... interesting... I think. |
| 17:05.56 | wurp2 | Someone out there somewhere should send you one of those, so you can get to it. |
| 17:06.25 | kdean06 | That would be nice! |
| 17:07.38 | thos | ScaredyCat, don't you have autorev? |
| 17:08.38 | ScaredyCat | I do |
| 17:08.44 | thos | ScaredyCat, so you should be fine then |
| 17:08.55 | ScaredyCat | laptop is a bit slow right now... too much going on :) |
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| 17:10.35 | kdean06 | Hrm... Today's image is full of all kinds of suck. |
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| 17:12.22 | ScaredyCat | s/image/official image/ |
| 17:12.23 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 17:12.43 | kdean06 | ScaredyCat, Audio works today. :P |
| 17:12.53 | ScaredyCat | ! |
| 17:12.56 | kdean06 | But X doesn't by default. :P |
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| 17:14.24 | wurp2 | That is not quite the trade off one might have hoped for. |
| 17:14.36 | kdean06 | Anyone with a debug board care to tell me about how long it takes to "unbrick" a Neo? :P |
| 17:14.42 | kdean06 | Say, from a bad uBoot flash? |
| 17:15.35 | ScaredyCat | thos: I don;t see your update |
| 17:15.52 | thos | ScaredyCat, where? |
| 17:16.15 | ScaredyCat | kdean06: depends who has the nearest debug board and how long it takes them to send it to you |
| 17:16.20 | ScaredyCat | thos: in svn |
| 17:17.36 | ScaredyCat | At revision 4216. |
| 17:17.37 | kdean06 | I didn't brick my device. I'm just wondering if it's feasible to review uBoot images I had access to a debug board. I mean, if it's simple like connecting the board and flashing a new uBoot, it takes no time at all. But if I have to do... Other.. stuff. :) It might not be feasible. |
| 17:17.46 | thos | ScaredyCat, wrong svn repo |
| 17:18.22 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03sean_chiang * r4217 10/trunk/src/target/audio/fic-gta02/gsmhandset.state: loud the volume of receiver |
| 17:18.23 | SpeedEvil | It's pretty much that. kde: it's a few mins AIUI |
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| 17:19.46 | ScaredyCat | thos: huh? svn.openmoko.org ... is there another? |
| 17:20.07 | thos | ScaredyCat, contacts lives in svn.o-hand.com |
| 17:20.20 | ScaredyCat | gah |
| 17:22.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1282 has been created by will(AT)openmoko.com |
| 17:22.03 | cdbot2 | * * Remove rotate display option |
| 17:22.05 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1282 |
| 17:22.35 | ScaredyCat | huh? why? |
| 17:23.04 | cb22 | yay :) @ http://planet.openmoko.org/ |
| 17:24.14 | cb22 | less then $400 :) |
| 17:25.27 | wurp2 | That's like 5 euro, right? |
| 17:25.49 | ScaredyCat | 3.50 with taxes ;) |
| 17:25.54 | cb22 | hehe, you seen the new 3 dolar note? |
| 17:26.00 | wurp2 | I was gonna say 500 euro after VAT ;-) |
| 17:26.05 | Qwell | cb22: wow, that's awesome news |
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| 17:26.26 | cb22 | new 3 dollar note: http://tinyurl.com/2oj433 |
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| 17:26.53 | Stephmw | cb22: aha |
| 17:27.11 | ScaredyCat | errm, well, ok.... it's a coin... |
| 17:27.25 | ScaredyCat | is being fussy today |
| 17:27.27 | cb22 | stole it from digg, any surprise? |
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| 17:28.12 | ScaredyCat | !google convert 1 usd to gbp |
| 17:28.13 | cdbot2 | 1 U.S. dollar = 0.497487687 British pounds |
| 17:28.21 | ScaredyCat | !google convert 1 usd to eur |
| 17:28.22 | cdbot2 | 1 U.S. dollar = 0.633432571 Euros |
| 17:28.30 | ScaredyCat | !google convert 1 usd to cheese |
| 17:28.31 | cdbot2 | Sign in @ https://www.google.com/accounts/Login?continue=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=convert+1+usd+to+cheese&safe=off&btnG=Search&lr=lang_all&hl=en | Desktop Enhancements - Cursors Programs @ http://www.softsland.com/category-3-1-1.html%20class=l | Calculator for Euro (EUR) Currency Excha @ http://coinmill.com/EUR_calculator.html%20class=l |
| 17:28.42 | prpplague | !google convert 1 usd to cad |
| 17:28.44 | cdbot2 | 1 U.S. dollar = 0.993199563 Canadian dollars |
| 17:28.49 | ScaredyCat | omg |
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| 17:29.12 | ScaredyCat | !google convert 1 gbp to eur |
| 17:29.13 | cdbot2 | 1 British pound = 1.27326281 Euros |
| 17:29.29 | ScaredyCat | euro is doing well |
| 17:29.31 | Qwell | !google convert 1 usd to usd |
| 17:29.32 | cdbot2 | 1 U.S. dollar = 1 U.S. dollar |
| 17:29.37 | ScaredyCat | just |
| 17:29.55 | thos | I tried enlightenment on gta02 |
| 17:30.30 | ScaredyCat | hides thos' 02 |
| 17:32.12 | ScaredyCat | thinks that somehow the 400USD is going to magically translate into 450 EUR |
| 17:33.06 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: Let me buy one for you. I'll sell it to you for only 400 EUR. |
| 17:33.39 | cb22 | !google convert 399 dollars to rand |
| 17:33.40 | cdbot2 | 399 U.S. dollars = 3 245.6176 South African rands |
| 17:33.48 | ScaredyCat | if you're going to buy one for me... why would you need to sell it to me? |
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| 17:34.10 | ScaredyCat | unles you weren't buying it for me... |
| 17:34.19 | ScaredyCat | then I'd have to get the poking stick out |
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| 17:36.08 | cb22 | mickeyl: ping, just wondering if you have a specific price for it, $399 :)? |
| 17:38.54 | Vegar | !google convert 399 USD to EUR |
| 17:38.55 | cdbot2 | 399 U.S. dollars = 252.739596 Euros |
| 17:39.01 | ultralisk | !google openmoko |
| 17:39.01 | cdbot2 | Sign in @ https://www.google.com/accounts/Login?continue=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=openmoko&safe=off&btnG=Search&lr=lang_all&hl=en | openmoko.com: Openmoko Products @ http://www.openmoko.com/products-index.html%20class=l | Openmoko.org Portal Site @ http://www.openmoko.org/%20class=l |
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| 17:40.07 | ScaredyCat | that panel applet with the signal strength is definately lying |
| 17:40.31 | ScaredyCat | -113db is as bad as it gets, yet I get 5 bars |
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| 17:44.47 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: are you around? |
| 17:45.05 | thos | he's in brazil |
| 17:45.23 | summatusmentis | oh really? ok then. Anyone know who's doing the mentoring for GSoC? |
| 17:45.25 | robtaylor | summatusmentis: you were asking about for gsoc mentors for dbus things? |
| 17:45.38 | summatusmentis | robtaylor: yep :-) |
| 17:45.44 | robtaylor | volunteers as a mentor ;) |
| 17:46.33 | summatusmentis | I'm fairly new to programming, but I'm familiar w/ OE |
| 17:46.54 | summatusmentis | what sort of experience is needed? Could the two projects suggested on the ideas list relating to dbus be integrated into one? |
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| 17:48.51 | robtaylor | summatusmentis: you need to seriously beleive you can do the project. and no. |
| 17:49.42 | summatusmentis | robtaylor: I don't necesarilly disbelieve I can do the project, I'm just wondering about background experience. I'm a computer science major, so I'm not afraid of coding, I'm just not sure about levels of experience. |
| 17:49.45 | kdean06 | The stupid hourglass is gone! YES! |
| 17:50.22 | robtaylor | summatusmentis: well, GSoC is meant to be a learning experinence for the student :) |
| 17:50.40 | summatusmentis | robtaylor: why couldn't the dbus projects be integrated into one back-end? We were disucssing this for Angstrom(who missed the deadline), having a sinle dbus based daemon |
| 17:50.47 | robtaylor | summatusmentis: I'd suggest choosing a project that doesnt require learning lots about lots of different components |
| 17:51.10 | robtaylor | summatusmentis: there's 4 different dbus based things on the wiki, and afact they don't relate to each other at all |
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| 17:51.20 | summatusmentis | robtaylor: I guess I'm just having difficulty figuring out what would be required to learn for each project, you know? |
| 17:51.24 | robtaylor | summatusmentis: so to what are you refering exactly?;) |
| 17:51.38 | robtaylor | mm |
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| 17:53.40 | dresb | I have some questions about the "Create a set of standard widgets using EFL" SoC idea, is someone familiar with it? |
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| 17:56.59 | summatusmentis | robtaylor: I'll probably look into dbus some more tonight or tomorrow, and apply for the dbus projects, as I sort of understand how it works |
| 17:57.19 | summatusmentis | I'll keep trying to feel my way through it, but I |
| 17:57.25 | summatusmentis | I'll probably be back w/ more questions |
| 17:57.28 | summatusmentis | peace |
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| 17:58.25 | PBeck | hi |
| 17:58.57 | kdean06 | WTF... |
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| 17:59.15 | kdean06 | Okay, so X didn't start the first time but I had audio. Now X started and I DON'T have audio. |
| 18:00.49 | ScaredyCat | if (X || audio) |
| 18:01.41 | ScaredyCat | !ombug 1282 |
| 18:01.43 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 1282, Status: NEW, Created: Unknown |
| 18:01.44 | cdbot2 | * * will(AT)openmoko.com: Remove rotate display option |
| 18:01.45 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1282 |
| 18:05.29 | dcordes | can somebody look at #1280? |
| 18:06.28 | dcordes | would be nice if somebody could try and reconstruct the error |
| 18:07.49 | ahven | erm @ bug 1282 :P |
| 18:08.14 | kdean06 | I can make a guess. :P |
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| 18:12.33 | ScaredyCat | thos: did you also commit you black bg on the dialer? |
| 18:13.04 | thos | ScaredyCat, no, that needs approval too |
| 18:13.09 | wurp2 | Does anyone know if there's a plan to make the dialer come up faster? |
| 18:13.14 | ScaredyCat | :( |
| 18:13.25 | thos | ScaredyCat, those are all stuff I did in my free time :-) |
| 18:13.38 | thos | wurp2, no, basically |
| 18:13.48 | wurp2 | I mean, it should be in memory all the time. Waiting multiple seconds before I can start dialing on my phone is kind of silly |
| 18:14.05 | thos | wurp2, don't close it then :-P |
| 18:14.19 | wurp2 | thos: I don't, but it closes on its own every time I hang up |
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| 18:14.32 | wurp2 | It seems to me it should be part of the home application |
| 18:15.16 | wurp2 | Although I honestly don't care about the mechanism, as long as it's almost instantaneous |
| 18:15.22 | thos | wurp2, that's true (closing on nit's own) |
| 18:15.28 | thos | wurp2, it could just hide I guess |
| 18:15.40 | thos | wurp2, but then, that's just another app running in the background |
| 18:15.54 | thos | wurp2, this is not a phone, it's a mobile device |
| 18:16.05 | thos | the phone is not a primary function tbh |
| 18:16.08 | wurp2 | thos: True, but at least as far as the dialer goes, does it even take up any significant memory? |
| 18:16.12 | thos | at least, it shouldn't be |
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| 18:16.23 | wurp2 | I can't see that it would, other than maybe for the screen |
| 18:16.25 | thos | wurp2, it's the same as any other gui app |
| 18:16.39 | thos | wurp2, it'd be easy to find out how much memory it's using |
| 18:17.12 | thos | wurp2, by all means, suggest it on openmoko-devel though |
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| 18:17.57 | wurp2 | Well, I suggested it already (either openmoko-devel or community) and was answered with a resounding silence |
| 18:18.35 | thos | wurp2, suggest it again and I will discuss with you |
| 18:18.42 | thos | wurp2, I only recently subscribed to openmoko-devel |
| 18:18.44 | wurp2 | thos: Cool, thanks ;-) |
| 18:18.46 | thos | wurp2, community is a lost cause |
| 18:19.43 | wurp2 | thos: I have more to say about it, so I will save it for an openmoko-devel post in the next day or two |
| 18:20.20 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 18:20.29 | SpeedEvil | 4G microSD are now actually cheap. |
| 18:20.41 | SpeedEvil | 12.55 |
| 18:20.45 | SpeedEvil | (pounds) |
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| 18:24.04 | ahven | but squeezing them through usb @ 250KB/sec is fun :P |
| 18:27.04 | ScaredyCat | card reader |
| 18:27.34 | jadams | ScaredyCat, I've seen a billion card readers that are just USB on the inside... |
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| 18:29.50 | ScaredyCat | pci card reader |
| 18:32.25 | ScaredyCat | gi-el: so far I'm not impressed with ataoe |
| 18:32.39 | ScaredyCat | 20mb/s is the best I can manage atm |
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| 18:39.37 | Daveman | DaMaestro! |
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| 18:40.20 | dcordes | can somebody please try and build openmoko-icon-theme-standard2-qvga? |
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| 18:47.17 | ScaredyCat | dcordes: i'm doing a full build atm, will happily try after that |
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| 19:20.26 | daMaestro | oh noes, it's Daveman |
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| 19:23.43 | ccfly | hello :) |
| 19:29.27 | dresb | openmoko-devel would be the place for SoC questions right? |
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| 19:38.05 | SpeedEvil | here too |
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| 19:45.51 | gi-el | ScaredyCat: weird, i don't have gige myself, but i've heard reports of 80MB/s |
| 19:48.44 | dcordes | ScaredyCat, thanks |
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| 20:05.57 | _alcik_ | hello... |
| 20:06.53 | raboof | hello! |
| 20:06.55 | _alcik_ | anyone knows which kernel I shoud use with the latest qtopia snapshot? (from 2008.01.24 i think) |
| 20:07.43 | wurp2 | _alcik_: I think it's always the most recent kernel that's older than the snapshot |
| 20:08.28 | _alcik_ | wurp2: hmmm... ok, I'll try to implement your algorithm ;-) |
| 20:08.29 | wurp2 | But I'm not sure that the kernel release really matters for compatibility if the version is right... |
| 20:09.19 | _alcik_ | wurp: ok... thx :-) |
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| 20:10.11 | wurp2 | _alcik_: yw |
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| 20:23.01 | macdonalder | hi, I'm kind of new here but I was hoping to speak to someone about applying for a Google SoC project involving training gestures using an accelerometer... |
| 20:24.07 | macdonalder | is there someone in particular (are there any mentors chosen yet) I should be talking to? |
| 20:24.26 | zash | does usb like if you switch the datapoles? |
| 20:25.47 | dcordes | zash, I don't think you can break anything that way but I doubt it would be any useful. |
| 20:26.35 | zash | goes to re-solder the cable |
| 20:27.35 | wurp2 | macdonalder: No one here now |
| 20:27.46 | wurp2 | macdonalder: As far as I know, mickeyl is the person to ask |
| 20:28.09 | wurp2 | macdonalder: Look for him on planet.openmoko.org |
| 20:28.56 | macdonalder | wurp2: excellent, thank you muchly! |
| 20:29.14 | dcordes | ScaredyCat, sorry, got your build done yet? |
| 20:30.21 | wurp2 | macdonalder: You're welcome :-) |
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| 20:55.57 | ScaredyCat | just completed, about to start yours |
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| 21:04.28 | ScaredyCat | dcordes_: is that it's proper name ? openmoko-icon-theme-standard2-qvga |
| 21:04.38 | dcordes_ | yep |
| 21:06.00 | ScaredyCat | ERROR: Required build target 'openmoko-icon-theme-standard2-qvga' has no buildable providers. |
| 21:06.00 | ScaredyCat | Missing or unbuildable dependency chain was: ['openmoko-icon-theme-standard2-qvga', 'librsvg-native'] |
| 21:06.16 | dcordes_ | ScaredyCat, see http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1280 |
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| 21:24.34 | ScaredyCat | NOTE: package openmoko-icon-theme-standard2-qvga-0.1.0+svnr3703: completed |
| 21:24.34 | ScaredyCat | NOTE: Tasks Summary: Attempted 437 tasks of which 408 didn't need to be rerun and 0 failed. |
| 21:24.34 | ScaredyCat | NOTE: build 200803182106: completed |
| 21:25.08 | ScaredyCat | that's on oe.dev |
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| 21:26.10 | dcordes_ | ScaredyCat, how did you fix it? |
| 21:26.51 | ScaredyCat | I didn't |
| 21:26.55 | ScaredyCat | it just worked |
| 21:27.22 | ScaredyCat | are you sure someone hasn't fixed it in the meantime? |
| 21:27.33 | edistar | can anyone help me? I'm trying to build an OM image with OE.. |
| 21:27.35 | edistar | http://nopaste.org/p/axkKgXX8k |
| 21:32.35 | dcordes_ | ScaredyCat, no doesn't work. are you sure you rebuilt? |
| 21:33.33 | ScaredyCat | I've nver built it before |
| 21:33.35 | dcordes_ | I just did an mtn revert packages and removed work and stamps of the package |
| 21:33.39 | dcordes_ | ok |
| 21:35.42 | dcordes_ | ScaredyCat, I pulled, rebuilt and didn't work, rebuilt again and it works. kind of strange |
| 21:35.56 | ScaredyCat | mmmm.... |
| 21:36.09 | ScaredyCat | maybe they heard your cries of pain |
| 21:36.12 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 21:42.55 | wurp2 | edistar: I guess not :-( I still have yet to get a full image to build, despite having tried it on both ubuntu 7.10 and debian 4.0 |
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| 21:59.07 | dcordes_ | ScaredyCat, do you have a librsvg-native? |
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| 22:27.36 | wurp2 | damn, now AC Clark is gone! |
| 22:27.44 | wurp2 | This has been a bad couple of weeks for geeks |
| 22:28.40 | zerghase | This was just postet on almost every geeky channel |
| 22:28.57 | anrp | surprise! |
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| 22:31.04 | ScaredyCat | dcordes_: no I added ASSUME_PROVIDED += "librsvg-native" to my config |
| 22:31.21 | ScaredyCat | wurp2|gone: he died? |
| 22:32.25 | zerghase | Yes |
| 22:32.53 | zerghase | 90 Years... |
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| 22:40.16 | dcordes_ | I get an error on do_rootfs "openmoko-image-1.0-r0/temp/run.do_rootfs.32058: 1: Syntax error: Bad fd number" any idea what fd number is?? |
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| 22:45.23 | ScaredyCat | dcordes_: usually a file descriptor |
| 22:45.31 | ScaredyCat | ie when opening a file |
| 22:45.41 | ScaredyCat | fd = fopen(blah) |
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| 22:46.27 | dcordes_ | ScaredyCat, hm maybe it is because I set ASSUME_PROVIDED += "openmoko-icon-theme-standard2-qvga" |
| 22:46.59 | thos | ScaredyCat, 4gig micro, how much? |
| 22:47.13 | ScaredyCat | 16 gbp |
| 22:47.18 | thos | there is no such thing as openmoko-icon-theme-standard2-qvga |
| 22:47.21 | dcordes_ | ScaredyCat, ..and haven't that ipk in deploy so do_rootfs doesn't find it. will it work when I put it in there? |
| 22:47.34 | ScaredyCat | thos: is so |
| 22:47.36 | dcordes_ | thomasg, you are wrong |
| 22:47.39 | thos | ScaredyCat, hrm, I saw some 2gig normal sd cards for about 7 quid a few weeks ago |
| 22:47.48 | thos | really? |
| 22:47.49 | thos | interesting |
| 22:47.54 | dcordes_ | yea really |
| 22:47.55 | thos | sounds like a waste of time |
| 22:47.58 | dcordes_ | what? |
| 22:48.09 | thomasg | dcordes_, I'm never wrong! |
| 22:48.10 | thos | since openmoko-icon-theme already has different sizes in it |
| 22:48.11 | ScaredyCat | SpeedEvil mentioed it earlier today thos (4gb card |
| 22:48.12 | ScaredyCat | ) |
| 22:48.26 | dcordes_ | thos, not fitting ones for qvga fyi |
| 22:48.37 | thos | ScaredyCat, it was only a few months ago 1gig cards were 16 quid |
| 22:48.39 | ScaredyCat | I hope so thos, I just buil it! |
| 22:48.41 | thos | ScaredyCat, amazing stuff |
| 22:48.46 | dcordes_ | thos, feel free to try the standard themes w/o qvga on a qvga device. |
| 22:48.47 | ScaredyCat | built |
| 22:48.59 | thos | dcordes_, icon theme != widget theme |
| 22:49.00 | ScaredyCat | anyway, away to bed... |
| 22:49.05 | ScaredyCat | back later |
| 22:49.12 | dcordes_ | thos, ? |
| 22:49.21 | thos | dcordes_, icon theme is not the same as a widget theme |
| 22:49.30 | thos | dcordes_, icon themes can contain multiple sizes of icons |
| 22:49.36 | dcordes_ | what's a widget theme? |
| 22:49.40 | thos | dcordes_, so why on earth would you need a qvga theme |
| 22:49.51 | dcordes_ | thanks for your wisdom doesn't really help me out |
| 22:49.58 | dcordes_ | fullstop |
| 22:50.15 | thos | dcordes_, a widget theme is what controls the appearance of widgets (controls, buttons, etc) |
| 22:50.31 | thos | dcordes_, i'm just suprised there is a qvga icon theme, it sounds unescassary |
| 22:50.48 | thos | dcordes_, plus, I didn't see it in svn |
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| 22:51.05 | thos | dcordes_, but sorry, what's your problem, perhaps I can help |
| 22:53.18 | dcordes_ | thos, no problem you are right though: it would be more elegant to private icon sizes which work for qvga devices. but since nobody provided them yet, pH5 has created the qvga-workaround-packages |
| 22:53.26 | dcordes_ | they minimize the present ones using resizing. |
| 22:53.53 | Mononoke | rips A.C.Clarke :S |
| 22:53.55 | josch | with magick... ^^ |
| 22:54.03 | anrp | the almighty magick |
| 22:54.12 | thos | dcordes_, if you send me a link, I could integrate into the current icon theme |
| 22:54.18 | anrp | convert! animate! display! mogrify! |
| 22:54.44 | dcordes_ | thos, a link to what? |
| 22:55.02 | thos | dcordes_, ph5's qvga icon theme |
| 22:55.07 | dcordes_ | oh a second |
| 22:56.10 | dcordes_ | thos, http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/packages/openmoko2/openmoko-icon-theme-standard2-qvga_svn.bb |
| 22:56.39 | thos | oh wow |
| 22:56.43 | thos | dynamically generated |
| 22:56.44 | thos | cool |
| 22:57.14 | thos | really wishes things were requested upstream first in OE |
| 22:57.42 | josch | convert -scale 22x22 $png $out <= magick!! |
| 22:57.59 | thos | so basically you just need 22x22 icons |
| 22:58.02 | thos | fair enough |
| 22:58.10 | thos | I can add that to openmoko-icon-theme easily |
| 22:58.13 | dcordes_ | thos, pH5 told me he did it because nobody was to provide "native" qvga icons |
| 22:58.23 | dcordes_ | thos, would be awesome |
| 22:58.34 | thos | dcordes_, did he try asking anyone? ;-) |
| 22:58.39 | dcordes_ | I don't know |
| 22:58.59 | thos | I need to see if I can get QVGA mode working again |
| 22:59.03 | vininim | FreeRunner will be square? nice (I'm assuming from Lauer presentation at openexpo) |
| 22:59.05 | dcordes_ | thos, it obviously worked fine until the naming of standard theme icons changed |
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| 22:59.13 | dcordes_ | so there was no need for asking |
| 22:59.39 | dcordes_ | vininim, square? :) |
| 22:59.40 | thos | I wonder if qvga even works on gta02 |
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| 23:00.22 | dcordes_ | try setting it in /etc/X11/Xserver (I fiddled around with one moko image resolution on zaurus there iirc) |
| 23:00.53 | thos | I'll fiddle in the morning when headache == 0 |
| 23:01.08 | thos | urgh, too much coding today |
| 23:01.20 | vininim | well.. rectangular =P |
| 23:01.54 | dcordes_ | thos, cool thanks a lot |
| 23:02.05 | thos | dcordes_, are there any other qvga problems in the apps at the moment? |
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| 23:02.35 | dcordes_ | thos, I couldn't test because an image with vga themes is not usable |
| 23:02.37 | thos | vininim, freerunner will be the same shape as the previous product |
| 23:02.47 | thos | dcordes_, right |
| 23:02.49 | dcordes_ | I will provide you with info on that as soon as I'm able to test ;) |
| 23:03.25 | thos | dcordes_, thanks, thomas@openedhand.com, or just in bugzilla if I disappear |
| 23:03.26 | dcordes_ | thos, can you tell me where I can get a built ipk of qvga icon theme so I can do some testing now? |
| 23:03.37 | dcordes_ | ok great |
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| 23:04.45 | vininim | thos: what is lauer showing in his presentation (I don't know deustch)?I thoght it was gta-02. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2115673181798091662&q=openexpo+openmoko+2008&total=2&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0 |
| 23:05.11 | thos | dcordes_, not sure, I might be able to build one tomorrow |
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| 23:07.33 | thos | vininim, http://www.flickr.com/photos/13779044@N00/2341152111/ |
| 23:07.51 | thos | vininim, that is a freerunner prototype |
| 23:08.58 | vininim_ | nice |
| 23:10.36 | anrp | it looks... dark |
| 23:11.05 | dcordes_ | I prefer that to orange/silver :) |
| 23:11.25 | anrp | over orange? no contest |
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| 23:27.17 | vik | Anyone know where I can get the 3D case design from? |
| 23:27.55 | zash | i think there is a link from openmoko.com |
| 23:28.19 | vik | Looking... must be blind as a bat. |
| 23:28.46 | zash | big orange button labeld "CAD DOWNLOAD" |
| 23:29.05 | vik | Ahhh - .COM - bozo here was doing .org |
| 23:29.35 | zash | weirdly, theres no links between them |
| 23:30.30 | zash | or, not wery visible ones |
| 23:30.32 | zash | now sleep |
| 23:31.00 | vik | I'm one of the guys from the RepRap Project. It'd be cool to print a phone casing on that. |
| 23:31.25 | SpeedEvil | What's the mechanical properties of your stuff vik? |
| 23:31.35 | SpeedEvil | vik: compared to say PP |
| 23:31.51 | vik | Depends which stuff... |
| 23:31.58 | vik | PLA is more rigid |
| 23:32.10 | vik | CAPA is mre flexible. |
| 23:32.12 | SpeedEvil | Strength |
| 23:32.41 | vik | CAPA is hard to break, mostly because it'll distort and still hangs together. |
| 23:32.57 | vik | PLA is strong stuff, but when it fails it shatters. |
| 23:33.28 | vik | Our output is completely fused, so it won;t de-laminate or anything. |
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| 23:34.35 | SpeedEvil | So it sounds like you'd have to use CAPA (what is that?) |
| 23:35.01 | vik | Polycaprolactone. Not sure that's a good idea because it melts at 60C |
| 23:35.18 | SpeedEvil | Well - a phone that shatters if you drop it is bad. |
| 23:35.45 | vik | You'd have to do a bit more than drop it, I think. |
| 23:36.04 | vik | I hope to find out :) |
| 23:36.15 | SpeedEvil | I suppose it depends on stiffness. |
| 23:36.19 | SpeedEvil | And strength. |
| 23:36.42 | SpeedEvil | If your stiffness isn't adequate, then it will simply flex and the internals will dir |
| 23:36.48 | vik | Yup. We may be able to create better blends. Right now we're concentrating on replication. |
| 23:36.48 | SpeedEvil | die |
| 23:36.52 | SpeedEvil | even though the case is fine |
| 23:37.06 | SpeedEvil | So you'd need to go way up on thickness. |
| 23:37.20 | SpeedEvil | Or add stiffeners |
| 23:37.38 | vik | We've done that before. Works well. |
| 23:38.02 | SpeedEvil | Works well in a non volume and weight constrained device. |
| 23:38.13 | vik | As in we've put No 8 wire inside some CAPA parts to make them more robuist. |
| 23:38.44 | vik | I'll have to play with the case design. My first impression is that the clasps are going to be a bugger. |
| 23:39.13 | SpeedEvil | Why? Your resolution not up to them? |
| 23:39.21 | SpeedEvil | And what's cost per? |
| 23:39.50 | vik | Not currently, no. The thinnest line we can do is 0.5mm but our current software always does an inside and outside boundary. |
| 23:40.17 | SpeedEvil | About that is. |
| 23:40.53 | vik | Cost per is about NZ$25/kg - Around US$10/lb. |
| 23:41.02 | SpeedEvil | Not bad. |
| 23:41.55 | vik | If we had an extruder that worked with granules, the cost would drop by 1/3. |
| 23:42.07 | vik | At the moment we have to turn the plastic into flament first. |
| 23:42.24 | vik | sorry, to 1/3 |
| 23:44.06 | SpeedEvil | 0.5mm looks very bad for actual working gears. |
| 23:44.44 | vik | You can do ball chain gearing with it. Our accuracy is better than 0.1mm |
| 23:44.54 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 23:45.32 | vik | Later versions will improve on that. |
| 23:46.38 | vik | It's enough to get a V1.0 out there with. |
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| 23:52.29 | thos | vik, "If at first you don'to succeed... call it version 1.0" |
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