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| 01:05.16 | retarded | do you live live to gain pleasure or avoid pain? what do succeessful people do? what is the highest pleasure and rewarding? is it jacking off? |
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| 01:17.00 | retarded | is there higher pleasure than jacking off and doing drugs? does "patience forever" have any pleasure? |
| 01:17.40 | Moniker42 | i think you're looking for ##philosophy |
| 01:18.47 | Aria | Or ##wankers |
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| 01:19.21 | Moniker42 | <Moniker42> i think you're looking for #openmoko |
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| 01:22.17 | Kensan | can somebody pastebin their log_configure/compile for gcc-cross-4.1.2-r14 ? |
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| 04:49.36 | doc|home | man, someone needs to kill wolfmane |
| 04:49.45 | doc|home | OMG GIMME FONE!!11ONE |
| 04:54.10 | CVirus | heh |
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| 05:17.43 | CVirus | I've seen open source devices developed and released in much less time than that |
| 05:17.50 | CVirus | i'm sick of waiting really |
| 05:18.13 | doc|home | any of them anywhere near as complicated as this? |
| 05:18.29 | CVirus | doc|home: not as complicated |
| 05:18.45 | CVirus | but still ... the ratio is time ratio is like 1:15 |
| 05:18.58 | CVirus | the time ratio is like* |
| 05:19.01 | doc|home | off you go then :) |
| 05:19.10 | holycow | hi |
| 05:19.23 | CVirus | holycow: hello |
| 05:19.32 | holycow | personally i want to see it done right |
| 05:19.43 | CVirus | personally I just want to see it |
| 05:19.51 | CVirus | it'll be done right later |
| 05:19.52 | holycow | most devices released to market are released on the principle of first to market gains share |
| 05:20.00 | holycow | regardless if its ready or not |
| 05:20.03 | holycow | well in that case |
| 05:20.06 | holycow | they ahd a release |
| 05:20.15 | holycow | you could of bought a dev device |
| 05:20.24 | vininim | and can't no more. |
| 05:20.29 | holycow | right |
| 05:20.31 | CVirus | holycow: I wanted the wifi one |
| 05:20.32 | holycow | all sold out |
| 05:20.36 | doc|home | dons the grammar swastika |
| 05:20.38 | holycow | wait a minute |
| 05:20.44 | doc|home | "could have" "can't any more" |
| 05:20.46 | holycow | a minute ago you said you don't care you just want to see it |
| 05:20.46 | doc|home | done |
| 05:20.51 | holycow | now you want one with all the goodies? |
| 05:20.54 | holycow | make up your mind already |
| 05:20.57 | doc|home | hehe |
| 05:20.59 | CVirus | hehe |
| 05:21.09 | holycow | you either want the early bird or you frickin wait for it to be done :) |
| 05:21.17 | vininim | thanks :) |
| 05:21.26 | CVirus | okay ... I'll freakin' wait |
| 05:21.28 | holycow | :) |
| 05:21.34 | holycow | i was just forced to buy a blackberry |
| 05:21.38 | holycow | let me bloody well tell ya |
| 05:21.45 | holycow | i don't care how long it takes |
| 05:22.02 | vininim | I just hope they don't have to make another rev for the audio-jack issue. |
| 05:22.02 | holycow | i want an open platform phone, its no longer acceptable to run garbage like this |
| 05:22.41 | CVirus | I haven't been reading the mailing lists for a long time ... will someone please link me to the audio-jack issue ? |
| 05:23.13 | vininim | last bugzilla forwards in the openmoko-kernel list |
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| 05:39.02 | rtyler | my, this channel has grown |
| 05:40.33 | holycow | hey |
| 05:40.52 | holycow | yeah well the prospects of not being locked in to a crappy device are tantalizing |
| 05:41.29 | rtyler | talking about the freerunner? |
| 05:43.00 | holycow | the one and only |
| 05:43.27 | rtyler | your nick looks familiar... |
| 05:43.31 | rtyler | is out of the loop |
| 05:43.39 | doc|home | holycow: yeah, I never wanted to spend more than 100 dollars (or about 5 euro these days) on a phone, but the moko one's changing that fast |
| 05:44.11 | rtyler | doc|home: you get the 1973 ? |
| 05:44.20 | doc|home | no, I want the wifi |
| 05:44.25 | rtyler | heh |
| 05:44.29 | rtyler | yeah, I feel like a chump now :) |
| 05:44.30 | doc|home | bought a nokia n800 last nov to tide me over |
| 05:45.15 | rtyler | doc|home: it's all about the Eee PC man ;) |
| 05:45.27 | holycow | uh no its not |
| 05:45.34 | holycow | only for a specific demographic |
| 05:45.40 | CVirus | wtf with the Eee PC !! Are those devices worth even looking at ? |
| 05:45.48 | holycow | yes they are |
| 05:45.51 | holycow | for a specific demographic |
| 05:45.57 | rtyler | if I can get OpenMoko to properly tether a phone to my Eee I'll be set |
| 05:45.58 | holycow | we are looking at replacing all our desktops with them |
| 05:46.07 | rtyler | holycow! :-p |
| 05:46.08 | doc|home | rtyler: I like them a lot, but was waiting for the bigger screen one, now the n800 / openmoko will do for me |
| 05:46.17 | rtyler | nods |
| 05:46.37 | rtyler | I need to remember to stop jumping on the bandwagon so soon :-P |
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| 05:54.57 | CVirus | school time .. later all |
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| 06:02.49 | rtyler | tyler@raspberry:~/ccnet/openmoko$ sudo /home/tyler/dfu-util -a kernel -R -D ./uImage-2.6.24+svnr4184-r4165-r3-neo1973.bin |
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| 06:02.52 | rtyler | O_O |
| 06:02.54 | rtyler | /home/tyler/dfu-util: 1: Syntax error: ")" unexpected |
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| 06:05.41 | cb22 | hmm: * 400/500 MHz Samsung 2442B Processor/SOC (400 minimum) |
| 06:05.51 | cb22 | will i be able to run it at 500mhz :)? |
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| 06:11.29 | doc|home | cb22: at your own risk I'd expect, the hardware wasn't designed for it so the rest of the electronics might not have fast enough response times |
| 06:11.37 | doc|home | shame really :/ |
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| 06:14.00 | rtyler | doc|home: do you know what snapshot your dfu-util is from? |
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| 06:14.45 | doc|home | rtyler: my who do what now? |
| 06:15.23 | rtyler | nevermind |
| 06:15.29 | doc|home | :) |
| 06:15.36 | sam2008l | hi |
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| 06:20.25 | doc|home | hey |
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| 06:32.29 | rtyler | hrm, seems the latest dails come without any bloody X? |
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| 06:53.42 | kinneh | rtyler: I got a tip to go as far mack as 20080228 |
| 06:53.52 | kinneh | that verion works |
| 06:55.34 | rtyler | o_O |
| 06:55.40 | rtyler | tip from whom :P |
| 06:56.43 | kinneh | 19:19 < ahven> the 28th Feb. version is the most usable - has audio :) |
| 06:56.50 | rtyler | ah |
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| 12:21.23 | costi | hi all |
| 12:21.48 | costi | is libusb on the openmoko? |
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| 12:55.16 | ScaredyCat | grins |
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| 13:06.32 | emdete | is someone around familar with neo's modems pm? |
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| 13:07.14 | Tuju | when will hw become available? |
| 13:07.46 | emdete | Tuju: they say end of april... |
| 13:08.02 | Tuju | aaaah, so close already :) |
| 13:08.12 | Tuju | christmas is coming.... tralla lalla laaa.... |
| 13:08.12 | emdete | again hw only. |
| 13:08.31 | Tuju | naaah, who cares, once it's avaialble, hell will break loose :) |
| 13:09.02 | Tuju | i will buy ten units and throw them to best hackers i know for free :) |
| 13:09.02 | emdete | hopefully. i remember all the guys complaining about sw of gta01 |
| 13:09.17 | emdete | Tuju: wow... tell me more |
| 13:09.45 | Tuju | will it be GTA02 ? |
| 13:10.15 | emdete | Tuju: at end of april? yes, as far as i know that's the plan |
| 13:10.22 | Tuju | ack. |
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| 13:10.45 | Tuju | "01/30/2008 - A small number of GTA02A5 have been made and are now being tested." |
| 13:10.46 | emdete | Tuju: so you've got the money to pay developers? |
| 13:10.53 | Tuju | nope |
| 13:10.56 | Mononoke | it's in topic with "MAYBE" |
| 13:10.58 | Tuju | i poor sucker |
| 13:11.19 | ScaredyCat | hrrm... sent 8722692559 bytes received 150640 bytes 9394553.80 bytes/sec |
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| 13:11.25 | Tuju | but i hate these closed phones and asswipes who 'build linux phones' like google. :) |
| 13:11.45 | emdete | Tuju: so why do you say "i will buy ten units and throw them to best hackers ..."? |
| 13:12.04 | emdete | Tuju: 10 phones are a lot of $$ |
| 13:12.23 | Tuju | emdete: err... I thought openmoko.com has the phones, not devs. why should i pay anything to devs then? |
| 13:13.12 | emdete | Tuju: i meant you pay for phones for devs. in the end you pay devs |
| 13:13.38 | Tuju | i've dinero for few phones yes. but that's a different story. |
| 13:13.47 | methril | yes, give one phone to a dev, is like paying him :D |
| 13:14.53 | ScaredyCat | !logs |
| 13:14.53 | cdbot2 | Channel logs for #openmoko are archived at: |
| 13:14.54 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/%23openmoko |
| 13:14.55 | cdbot2 | Live-logs are available at |
| 13:14.56 | cdbot2 | http://hentges.net/tmp/logs/irc/livelogs/%23openmoko.livelog |
| 13:14.58 | cdbot2 | See ?? help-logs for usage instructions |
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| 13:22.29 | ScaredyCat | gi-el: ping |
| 13:24.06 | emdete | is someone around familar with neo's modem's powermanagment? |
| 13:24.45 | emdete | does someone know why my kernel issues 8 loglines per second from pcf50633 and how to switch that off? |
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| 13:34.16 | J-23 | hello! |
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| 13:37.18 | gi-el | ScaredyCat: yeah? |
| 13:38.05 | ScaredyCat | what sort of data rate do you get with aoe? |
| 13:38.18 | gi-el | more or less disk bound |
| 13:38.31 | gi-el | it's a very lightweight protocol |
| 13:38.44 | gi-el | haven't done extensive testing tho |
| 13:39.04 | cb22 | ata over ethernet? |
| 13:39.13 | gi-el | cb22: yes |
| 13:40.02 | ScaredyCat | mmm... I'm getting 10MB/s with gigabit + mtu 7000 + server is dual 2.4ghz xeon |
| 13:40.26 | dennda | are there any recent pictures of freerunner available on the net? (Had a search and watched the videos, but would like to take a closer look at the new black case) :) |
| 13:40.33 | ScaredyCat | client is single 2.4 ghz xeon |
| 13:40.34 | gi-el | hm. and what does your disk do locally? |
| 13:41.14 | ScaredyCat | just need to test that.. it's not on the network...the disks are scsi |
| 13:41.19 | ScaredyCat | 1 sec |
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| 13:43.24 | gi-el | nice |
| 13:43.35 | gi-el | 2.6.25 seems to have native support for this marvell nas platform |
| 13:43.36 | gi-el | orion |
| 13:45.54 | ScaredyCat | k, cached reads @ 1425.95MB/s |
| 13:46.14 | ScaredyCat | buffered reads @ 56.07 MB/s (seems slow) |
| 13:46.24 | gi-el | hm |
| 13:46.31 | ScaredyCat | although it is mirrored |
| 13:46.42 | SpeedEvil | was thining that that was fast for the neo before he read backscroll. |
| 13:47.03 | gi-el | well, i'm no aoe expert :) |
| 13:47.13 | gi-el | but it seems 10MB/s is too slow indeed |
| 13:47.18 | ScaredyCat | wouldn't be complaining is it were SpeedEvil |
| 13:47.33 | ScaredyCat | yeah, that's what I thought gi-el |
| 13:49.46 | SpeedEvil | Nope. |
| 13:50.23 | SpeedEvil | http://www.ebuyer.com/product/127690 |
| 13:50.25 | SpeedEvil | oops |
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| 13:51.11 | gi-el | i see reports of ppl getting 80MB/s with aoe |
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| 13:53.10 | gi-el | ScaredyCat: you tried perfomance measurements with netcat or ftp oslt? |
| 13:53.16 | gi-el | just to check your network perfomance> |
| 13:53.35 | ScaredyCat | well - it's card to card - no switch |
| 13:53.48 | ScaredyCat | but I'll try |
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| 13:56.21 | SpeedEvil | Though maybe not quite off-topic on reflection. The above vacuum cleaner would be fun to hack in conjunction with a neo. |
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| 13:59.19 | christooss | hello |
| 13:59.45 | christooss | are there any mesurments of battery life on freerunner? |
| 14:00.05 | christooss | the wiki says it will be aproximatly 200 hours |
| 14:00.23 | christooss | how does prototypes of freerunner stand here |
| 14:01.41 | SpeedEvil | they don't |
| 14:01.45 | SpeedEvil | pretty much |
| 14:01.52 | SpeedEvil | battery life isn't being worked on |
| 14:02.15 | SpeedEvil | The estimates on the wiki are pretty much worst case as we know it. |
| 14:02.44 | christooss | but will it be addresed before shiping stable freerunner? |
| 14:02.58 | SpeedEvil | The software at launch will |
| 14:03.02 | ahven | software won't be ready for some time :) |
| 14:03.05 | SpeedEvil | _not_ be end-user ready. |
| 14:03.07 | ahven | consumer ready* |
| 14:03.28 | SpeedEvil | For any but the most uncritical/skilled end-users. |
| 14:03.52 | christooss | i think I get in this category |
| 14:04.54 | christooss | since I am software programer Im looking forward to develop few apps for openmoko since mobile platforms are great platforms to develop for |
| 14:05.27 | christooss | im playing with emulator |
| 14:06.42 | christooss | and hoping that not-end user ready phone will be avalible soon |
| 14:06.55 | SpeedEvil | Anyone know if the GTA01 modem power issue is likely to be fixed soon? |
| 14:07.15 | christooss | so battery life is strictly software problem? |
| 14:07.32 | SpeedEvil | As far as we know, largely. |
| 14:07.45 | christooss | that is good to know |
| 14:08.11 | christooss | see you soon |
| 14:08.13 | christooss | :) |
| 14:08.13 | SpeedEvil | Already demonstrated stuff leads to a battery life of >40h |
| 14:08.18 | SpeedEvil | (for GTA01) |
| 14:08.18 | christooss | thanks for the anwsers |
| 14:08.22 | SpeedEvil | but it's all unreliable |
| 14:08.31 | christooss | 40h of standby? |
| 14:08.35 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 14:08.52 | SpeedEvil | unreliable in that various bits work on various builds. |
| 14:09.44 | christooss | thanks for the anwsers and see you soon |
| 14:09.53 | christooss | i will bring more questions :) |
| 14:09.54 | christooss | bye |
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| 14:10.43 | mellhen | hello@all |
| 14:12.03 | buz | is looking for a cheap SIP gateway in AU |
| 14:12.39 | mellhen | today i tried to built an openmoko-image fot my hx4700 but the built process stoped with "ERROR: Parsing errors found, exiting..." |
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| 14:18.25 | mellhen | the full error log is http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/117143/ |
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| 14:30.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1277 has been created by mickey(AT)openmoko.org |
| 14:30.02 | cdbot2 | * * no data from 2nd accellerometer |
| 14:30.04 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1277 |
| 14:33.34 | mwester | Speedevil: GTA01 modem power issue? Meaning power-off of modem at system shutdown, or the suspend/resume troubles with it, or one of the other possible problems with that device? |
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| 14:35.44 | SpeedEvil | modem doesn't suspend right. It should as I understand it when you suspend the neo drop to using 10mW of power or so. It doesn't, but stays at 100mW or so |
| 14:35.57 | SpeedEvil | It's a modem firmware issue |
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| 14:43.31 | mwester | Ah, that one. :( |
| 14:44.09 | mwester | Yeah, we never did get the tool that was promised to be able to update the modem firmware... |
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| 14:51.21 | wurp2 | Is there a modem firmware update available inside OM for the suspend power issue? |
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| 14:52.07 | wurp2 | If so, I would hope that MShiloh could be convinced to update a couple of phones so people could test 01 suspend |
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| 14:58.08 | SpeedEvil | mwester: /me ponders the leaked TI calypso datasheets. |
| 14:58.15 | SpeedEvil | mew: though I haven't read them. |
| 14:59.11 | mwester | Nor have I. My brain hurts enough already. |
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| 15:11.37 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03zecke * r4214 10/developers/zecke/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Add my serial_forward tool. This forwards the modem serial via tcp/ip and offers a pty on the other side |
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| 15:39.53 | mellhen | HELP? creating hx4700-image with MokoMakefile |
| 15:41.09 | mellhen | make openmoko-devel-image --> ERROR: Parsing errors found, exiting... --> full log: http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/117283/ |
| 15:41.44 | Qwell | install git |
| 15:42.25 | Qwell | and git-core, if debian |
| 15:42.56 | Qwell | s/and// |
| 15:43.33 | mellhen | ok thanks |
| 15:43.55 | mellhen | git is already installed searching for git-core now |
| 15:47.59 | mellhen | using kubuntu 8.10, git-core is now installed, can i continue with "make openmoko-devel-image"? |
| 15:48.08 | Qwell | probably |
| 15:48.12 | mellhen | k |
| 15:49.48 | mellhen | would it be usefull to add the git-packages to the http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile in section "ubuntu"? |
| 15:50.51 | mellhen | it works until now. thanks again :) |
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| 16:07.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1278 has been created by hrw(AT)openedhand.com |
| 16:07.02 | cdbot2 | * * Lack of support for SIMcards which expired |
| 16:07.04 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1278 |
| 16:10.02 | dcordes | what distro do I want to set in local.conf to get latest stuff? openmoko-2008.1? |
| 16:10.35 | mwester | Just "openmoko" |
| 16:11.12 | mwester | Then sync with monotone.openembedded.org rather than the openmoko repo. |
| 16:11.52 | mwester | If you haven't built from that repo in the past days, just delete your tmp directory and all beneath it, and start from scratch -- you'll be much happier. |
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| 16:37.46 | kdean06 | XorA|gone, So... John assures me that the .state file commit from seveal days ago is in the images, and the typo HAS been corrected on the bt-panel, but I still have no sound... :) |
| 16:42.50 | ScaredyCat | if you have no sound, how will XorA|gone hear you ? ;) |
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| 16:43.33 | ScaredyCat | kdean06: did you try and manually alsactl -f /etc/gsmhandset.state restore ? |
| 16:43.44 | ScaredyCat | if so did it error at all? |
| 16:45.19 | kdean06 | I haven't gotten there yes, I'm poking at an default image for my review. |
| 16:45.28 | kdean06 | s/an/a/ |
| 16:45.34 | kdean06 | Neat. :) |
| 16:45.37 | kdean06 | I've never noticed that. |
| 16:48.33 | ScaredyCat | you forgot to fix the 'yes' |
| 16:48.35 | ScaredyCat | ;) |
| 16:48.51 | Qwell | shame apt can't do multi-expression sed's |
| 16:49.05 | Qwell | TimRiker: ^^ :D |
| 16:49.28 | kdean06 | ScaredyCat, sed can only fix what the human behind the keyboard notices. :) |
| 16:49.34 | mwester | The last image I tested yesterday had alsa syntax errors in the state files reported at boot. |
| 16:51.18 | ahven | <ScaredyCat> kdean06: did you try and manually alsactl -f /etc/gsmhandset.state restore ? << tried it, replaced the state files package, reboot - still no sound |
| 16:51.30 | ahven | and it gave 3 error lines |
| 16:51.51 | ScaredyCat | k, that was the old problem ahven |
| 16:51.55 | ScaredyCat | 1 sec |
| 16:52.21 | TimRiker | Qwell: patches welcome. secure patches that is, just using perl's regex opens all kinds of neat security issues. |
| 16:52.37 | Qwell | TimRiker: standard infobot source? |
| 16:52.47 | ScaredyCat | download the audio statefiles from my buildhost... see if that fixes it for you ahven |
| 16:52.51 | ScaredyCat | http://buildhost.automated.it/ |
| 16:53.34 | ahven | will try |
| 16:55.13 | zash | perl hates me :( |
| 16:56.44 | TimRiker | Qwell: yes. blootbot merged back into infobot on SF. |
| 16:57.00 | Qwell | neat, I'll check it out |
| 16:57.03 | ahven | but I think I have done that replacing already.. |
| 16:57.11 | ahven | doesn't hurt to try again |
| 16:59.09 | ahven | as to expect |
| 16:59.12 | ahven | still no sound :) |
| 17:02.42 | cb22 | notes what sean said |
| 17:02.55 | cb22 | at http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-March/014119.html |
| 17:07.59 | wurp2 | Yeah, that *looked* as if it was saying the hardware for FreeRunner is finalized |
| 17:08.10 | wurp2 | but it would sure be nice to see someone official come right out & say that |
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| 17:19.17 | CVirus | Pilot runs are in a few days from now. |
| 17:19.19 | CVirus | pilot runs ? |
| 17:20.35 | SpeedEvil | That would typically in production terms mean manufacture of a small test quantity |
| 17:21.00 | CVirus | ah |
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| 17:21.13 | CVirus | few days ? cool |
| 17:21.57 | kdean06 | CVirus, Source? |
| 17:22.11 | CVirus | kdean06: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-March/014119.html |
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| 17:23.13 | kdean06 | Doesn't get more direct than Sean, I guess. :P |
| 17:23.29 | kdean06 | Why do I not get get those mailings? |
| 17:23.52 | kdean06 | Who maintains the mailing lists? I'm on all of them except kernel-devel but don't get those. :( |
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| 17:25.58 | kdean06 | Hrm... Perhaps not. :( |
| 17:27.53 | univac | balrog-kun: jabber |
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| 17:29.03 | wurp2 | kdean06: You're on the community list, but you didn't get that email? |
| 17:29.31 | kdean06 | wurp2, I may have not been on the list, it allowed me to re-join. |
| 17:29.40 | wurp2 | :-/ |
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| 17:33.41 | PBeck | hi |
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| 18:03.48 | kdean06 | ScaredyCat, I did the alsa restore and got the following -> http://rafb.net/p/kRT9zt28.html Same crap that i got before Grame made the commit. |
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| 18:04.21 | ScaredyCat | wtf |
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| 18:28.02 | ahven | I get no errors while executing alsactl restore |
| 18:28.05 | ahven | but no sound either |
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| 18:56.28 | ScaredyCat | ok, so after I've finished playing with ataoe I'll make a complete fresh build... |
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| 19:01.56 | ScaredyCat | thos pihngeh |
| 19:02.02 | ScaredyCat | errm |
| 19:02.13 | ScaredyCat | thos: pign |
| 19:02.16 | ScaredyCat | gha! |
| 19:02.20 | ScaredyCat | gneh! |
| 19:02.23 | ScaredyCat | ping |
| 19:02.30 | ScaredyCat | thos: pine |
| 19:02.33 | ScaredyCat | wtf |
| 19:02.47 | ScaredyCat | thos: ping |
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| 19:04.18 | Qwell | ScaredyCat: ...fail |
| 19:05.53 | CM | Hehe |
| 19:06.59 | CM | hands ScaredyCat some ritalin |
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| 19:15.19 | ScaredyCat | :( |
| 19:17.03 | xcasex | ol |
| 19:17.08 | xcasex | ScaredyCat: less caffeine fope you |
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| 19:30.32 | cb22 | wonders out load about an idea such as |
| 19:31.08 | cb22 | 'InternetKit': an easy way of getting your application connected to the web, via gprs / bluetooth pan / wifi / usb net / whatever! |
| 19:31.42 | cb22 | everything would be firewalled, then a program would ask for teh interwebz, and be allowed access |
| 19:32.09 | cb22 | (or denied) and it would be smart, unlike my damn p990 |
| 19:34.42 | CM | Isn't that what network-manager is for? |
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| 19:35.02 | CM | And how abouft fallback, when you drop from wifi for instance? :) |
| 19:35.15 | cb22 | well, it would ping google.com or whatever |
| 19:35.39 | cb22 | on each connection, (wifi/gprs/whatever) and that would be marked internetable (it could also be force) |
| 19:36.19 | cb22 | and you would also be able to set up a priority, ie) try usbnet first, then wifi, then gprs |
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| 19:37.03 | SpeedEvil | optionally with a popup for each version |
| 19:37.18 | SpeedEvil | 'do you really want to connect to this, and do you want to limit traffic' |
| 19:37.19 | cb22 | yep |
| 19:37.36 | CM | Hehe, a pop up evey time you find a new wlan.. ;) |
| 19:38.03 | SpeedEvil | In the UK, several people have been arrested and convicted for using others wlan |
| 19:38.42 | CM | That's just silly |
| 19:38.52 | CM | There's way too many stupid laws, that's for sure |
| 19:39.10 | cb22 | amen |
| 19:39.14 | mwester | Not silly at all. Theft of services. |
| 19:39.36 | mwester | Why should I subsidize my neighbor's porn habit? |
| 19:39.47 | cb22 | if my laptop connects to another open wireless network, and i use it, unknowingly |
| 19:39.53 | SpeedEvil | In all cases that I'm aware of, it's been conspicuous. |
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| 19:40.07 | SpeedEvil | For ecample, sitting in street outside house using laptop. |
| 19:40.17 | SpeedEvil | Or on a house wall |
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| 19:41.20 | cb22 | there are 4 open wifi networks from neighbours that i pick up in my room. i've told them to put encryption on them, but they dont seem to listen |
| 19:41.49 | CM | Same in my old apartment. |
| 19:42.20 | cb22 | sure i'm nice, and with the situation with bw in south africa, using their wifi would be plain mean, but not everybody is so nice |
| 19:42.55 | mwester | So, by comparison, if your neighbors failed to lock their automobile's doors, and you've warned them several times, then you are free to take their automobile whenever you need to go somewhere? |
| 19:43.57 | SpeedEvil | If you say you're using it, and they don't say no, then you're authorised. |
| 19:44.00 | cb22 | no, but if their car screamed out steal me! steal me! someone might |
| 19:44.14 | mwester | In the scheme of things, its trivial, I agree. But especially now that the RIAA is suing individuals for downloads, it certainly should be a crime to use someone else's internet. |
| 19:44.28 | CM | mwester: No, but if they left a ladder against a wall I need to get over, I'd gladly climb it |
| 19:44.50 | cb22 | hates passive analogies to wireless networks |
| 19:44.50 | zedstar_ | good way of getting unencrypted passwords etc with a open hotspot in an urban area |
| 19:45.03 | ScaredyCat | besides, the internet is *for* porn |
| 19:45.06 | J-23 | good night! |
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| 19:45.21 | mwester | ScaredyCat: I heard that somewhere, actually... |
| 19:45.29 | ScaredyCat | it's a song |
| 19:46.05 | cb22 | if i left my house with all doors open, and put up signs saying 'enter here, steal this', sure it would still be wrong to rob the place, but dont you think i'm a bit of an idiot? |
| 19:46.10 | SpeedEvil | wishes again that the wireless network standard had specified a standard micropayment scheme and way to setup VPNs |
| 19:46.24 | ScaredyCat | although.... I might have missheard ;) |
| 19:46.25 | ScaredyCat | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dww-TXEx1ds |
| 19:46.25 | mwester | agrees with SpeedEvil |
| 19:46.40 | SpeedEvil | cb22: if locks are not something you understand the concept of real well - not really. |
| 19:46.57 | cb22 | yes - yes, locks are like wep |
| 19:47.18 | cb22 | the chaingun i keep on my roof is wpa |
| 19:48.05 | SpeedEvil | WEP proves intent. |
| 19:48.17 | SpeedEvil | It says 'no I don't authorise you to come in'. |
| 19:48.38 | SpeedEvil | Though it's not very secure. If you break the lock, you can't argue any more that you thought it was OK/ |
| 19:48.45 | cb22 | indeed |
| 19:49.03 | xcasex | SpeedEvil: wpa2 personal, radius, mac locks. |
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| 19:49.51 | cb22 | just runs a few honneypots and screws with people |
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| 19:51.00 | cb22 | like replacing all the images with certain, ahem, rather disturbing ones |
| 19:51.13 | mwester | just tries to stay invisible. |
| 19:51.14 | SpeedEvil | That might have the reverse effect. |
| 19:52.10 | cb22 | like? irrtate people :)? |
| 19:53.54 | SpeedEvil | Attract ones looking for the images. |
| 19:54.05 | cb22 | hehe |
| 19:54.49 | cb22 | i try to imagine some guy in a car, all happy that he's gonna get free internet. then he goes to google, and finds a different sort of O instead of the google logo |
| 19:54.51 | ScaredyCat | allows other people to use his wifi for free, they only need to ignore the I read your email' banners |
| 19:55.02 | cb22 | hehe ScaredyCat |
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| 20:18.43 | thos | ScaredyCat, moo |
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| 21:15.01 | piksi | how flare resistant and bright in sunlight is the openmoko screen? |
| 21:15.31 | piksi | s/flare/glare |
| 21:15.34 | kdean06 | lol |
| 21:15.39 | kdean06 | I was about to make a smart commetn. |
| 21:15.43 | kdean06 | nt* |
| 21:16.23 | gi-el | hehe |
| 21:16.37 | gi-el | i for one wouldn't try the flare resistancy :) |
| 21:16.40 | kdean06 | piksi, There's a lot of glare on it, IMO. I did a "first impressions" kinda thing here (with pics) and it was something I mentioned concern over. http://www.monochromementality.com/index.php/blog/show/OpenMoko---My-first-impressions.html |
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| 21:22.35 | piksi | kdean06: thanks! |
| 21:22.57 | cb22 | kdean06: thanks indeed, nice post |
| 21:23.00 | piksi | i was looking for some kind of preview-article oslt with a comment of the screen |
| 21:23.13 | kdean06 | No problem. It's really not as "bad" as I thought, but it's certainly not optimal. |
| 21:24.30 | cb22 | the phone looks a lot thinner then i expected |
| 21:25.33 | piksi | well darn, that screen seems to have *very* much glare |
| 21:25.51 | wurp2 | cb22: You have one? |
| 21:26.00 | wurp2 | It doesn't seem very thin in person to me :-) |
| 21:26.17 | cb22 | wurp2: nope, just by looking at the pics |
| 21:26.23 | piksi | all cool features aside: imo the screen readability in outdoors sunny environment is one of the fundamental basics of a phone/pda and it simply can't be forgotten in the development process |
| 21:26.46 | cb22 | like, when kdean06 was holding it, it appeared much thinner then i thought it to be originally. it is definitly thinner then my p990 |
| 21:26.57 | kdean06 | cb22, I'm a big fella. :) |
| 21:27.17 | kdean06 | I love how it feels, but everyone who's held it has remarked about how 'chunky' it is. |
| 21:27.39 | cb22 | guess those people ahve never used a p990 |
| 21:27.56 | wurp2 | I like it, but it is not thin ;-) |
| 21:28.09 | kdean06 | Okay, yeah... I came from using a RAZR. :P |
| 21:28.13 | cb22 | thinner then a p990 :) |
| 21:29.12 | cb22 | kdean06: ah, you're the person doing the snapshot reviews. nice :) |
| 21:29.20 | kdean06 | Yeah. |
| 21:29.30 | ScaredyCat | thos: did I see your patch make it in properly ? |
| 21:33.50 | thos | ScaredyCat, make it in? |
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| 21:48.59 | luceat | heya, i'm pretty new to linux, aswell as programming (did some delphi in win) i've decided to start up my programming again so i can develop some nice apps for openmoko eventually... where should i start? what language to choose? is there any gpl-licensed object-oriented programming environment for linux? |
| 21:49.22 | wurp2 | python |
| 21:49.33 | wurp2 | I mean, there are lots of gpl OO languages for linux |
| 21:49.45 | wurp2 | but I highly recommend python to get back in the mindset |
| 21:49.50 | wurp2 | and then to build real stuff ;-) |
| 21:49.59 | anrp | uh oh |
| 21:50.09 | anrp | a question almost as bad as "which editor should i use" |
| 21:50.27 | wurp2 | :-) |
| 21:50.45 | wurp2 | Yeah, I was going to ignore that part of it, and just give my biased opinion |
| 21:50.51 | luceat | okay, so, python is nice? :P how about all them different versions of c? i know even delphi has a linux version called kylix, but i enjoy something that's more popular :P |
| 21:50.54 | nezza-_- | anrp: can you suggest me a editor? i dont know which i should use |
| 21:51.03 | anrp | depends on what you want |
| 21:51.11 | luceat | yeah, i was aware i might start the never-ending "which language is better" discussion :P |
| 21:51.25 | wurp2 | You can write code in C, certainly, but you don't get the instant feedback you do from python (since it's interpreted) |
| 21:51.32 | wurp2 | and of course C is not object oriented |
| 21:51.38 | nezza-_- | anrp: was a joke ;) |
| 21:51.46 | kdean06 | luceat, http://www.lolcode.com |
| 21:51.48 | anrp | well, unless you use GObject |
| 21:51.48 | kdean06 | ;) |
| 21:52.06 | anrp | but hey, implementing c++ twice? whatever works for you |
| 21:52.26 | luceat | python sounds nice then :) |
| 21:52.42 | wurp2 | The ability to pass a struct around as a function argument does not an object oriented language make :-) |
| 21:52.57 | anrp | python is probably a good first choice |
| 21:52.58 | wurp2 | There are several good tutorials online; lemme find one |
| 21:53.08 | anrp | since it has mantained bindings for the toolkits used |
| 21:53.47 | wurp2 | yaknow, the first 4 or 5 google hits for 'python tutorial' all look good |
| 21:54.36 | luceat | okay :) great, i'll check it out :) |
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| 22:01.30 | luceat | btw, does the freerunner have any LED that is strong enough to be a rudimentary flashlight? it's the best function i've found on any regular gimp-phone :P LCD screen doesn't always work too good |
| 22:01.49 | thomasg__ | no, the leds won't be usable as flashlight |
| 22:02.03 | gi-el | but you can hook up something to the usb port! :) |
| 22:02.03 | zash | solder one on yourself |
| 22:02.16 | thomasg__ | but the neo has a bright kick-ass-display that should do a good job with a "flashlight"-app that just blanks the screen |
| 22:02.30 | kdean06 | luceat, All of the packages come with LED flashlights on the stylus. It's also a laser pointer. |
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| 22:02.36 | kdean06 | And a pen |
| 22:02.44 | luceat | ohh, nice |
| 22:02.49 | thomasg__ | even with the default dark theme it was bright enough to lighten my way to my carport :) |
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| 22:03.05 | kdean06 | And it's pretty bright too, I've used it to sneak down my stairs while my wife is sleeping. :P |
| 22:03.12 | luceat | okay, perfect :P had a qtek s100 earlier, didn't get light enough :P |
| 22:03.14 | kdean06 | The backlit screen, I mean. |
| 22:03.31 | thomasg__ | kdean06, should I tell her? :P |
| 22:03.59 | kdean06 | thomasg__, She's got access to my debit card records, she knows that I do midnight McDonalds runs. :P |
| 22:04.46 | kdean06 | I've got bright lights in my apartment (or too small of an apartment) so turning on the stair lights wakes her up. :S |
| 22:05.05 | kdean06 | The way I phrased that did sound bad though. :P |
| 22:05.47 | luceat | haha :P isn't there a gps-project to track your friends/other phones? you might want to get a freerunner for your wife too then... or maybe not :P |
| 22:06.16 | kdean06 | luceat, She'll get the Neo when I get my Freerunner. :) |
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| 22:06.39 | kdean06 | Unless battery life still sucks... She can't keep a phone charged if he life depends on it. |
| 22:06.54 | Qwell | kdean06: how long are you getting out of yours? |
| 22:07.06 | abraxa_ | luceat: There's such a project actually - read zecke's most recent post on planet.openmoko.org |
| 22:07.22 | luceat | okay :) yeah, thought i read about it somewhere, really awesome |
| 22:07.26 | kdean06 | Qwell, I don't know exactly, but I know if I don't plug it up when I go to bed, it's dead in the morning. |
| 22:07.36 | wurp2 | Qwell: Battery life now is ~4 hours. It's the suck. |
| 22:07.45 | Qwell | 4 hours with usage? |
| 22:08.05 | wurp2 | Well, since it doesn't suspend, not using it doesn't increase much |
| 22:08.06 | kdean06 | With light usage, I've gotten 5-6 hours. |
| 22:08.24 | kdean06 | But anything beyond that, nope. |
| 22:08.34 | thomasg__ | yeah, same for me, 6h without standby only dimm, with temporary usage |
| 22:08.36 | wurp2 | About 2 hours if you're watching video, and like kdean06 says, max 6 hours if you leave it dim the majority of the time |
| 22:08.42 | kdean06 | wurp2, It DOES have suspend. :) It's resume part that doesn't work. :) |
| 22:08.42 | wurp2 | and sometimes it seems to die faster |
| 22:08.54 | wurp2 | probably if gsm goes in & out of service |
| 22:09.08 | thomasg__ | yeah, the modem is a riddle |
| 22:09.09 | wurp2 | kdean06: How can you tell suspend works if it won't resume? ;-) |
| 22:09.29 | thomasg__ | wurp2, well, if it won't resume you can assume that it worked :P |
| 22:09.32 | wurp2 | Although honestly suspend/resume has mostly worked for a few releases |
| 22:09.53 | dcordes | in which file is the theme set? (I need to change theme from vga to installed qvga from terminal) |
| 22:10.04 | kdean06 | wurp2, Read my reviews. It can suspend and resume using AUX (no wake-on-gsm) but it acts... odd.. on wake on POWER. But it DOES react so it's "alive". :) |
| 22:10.13 | wurp2 | I don't consider suspend working if it's not possible to resume, and ya dunno if it's possible to resume until it works |
| 22:10.26 | wurp2 | kdean06: I know, I've used it |
| 22:10.33 | kdean06 | It's very pretty. :) |
| 22:10.37 | kdean06 | lol |
| 22:10.43 | thomasg__ | wake on gsm works for me partly |
| 22:10.46 | thomasg__ | depends on the release |
| 22:10.53 | wurp2 | but again, to be pedantic (and the last I have to say on the subject) ya dunno if suspend works unless you can resume from it |
| 22:11.03 | thomasg__ | 2-3 weeks ago suspending worked fine |
| 22:11.12 | kdean06 | wurp2, Press AUX, it suspends and resumes "fine". |
| 22:11.28 | wurp2 | thomasg__: aha, so it was *you* from whom I saw reports of wake on gsm working |
| 22:11.31 | kdean06 | I can suspend it and resume normally, though it's useless IMO without wake on GSM. |
| 22:11.54 | thomasg__ | wurp2, don't know |
| 22:11.59 | wurp2 | kdean06: Oh, I had stopped using aux to wake it since they announced that they were gonna turn that off |
| 22:12.04 | luceat | my programming goal (eta 2145) is to make my future freerunner a remote control to WOL my computers, open locks and turn off lights etc... got an idea of getting the lights in my house turn on whenever i enter a room by checking gps position. might get tricky if you got several stories though... i got ideas, but not the means to make them happen, thanks wurp2 for the language proposal :P |
| 22:12.14 | thomasg__ | wake on gsm worked 1 time today, the other time it didn't wake up at all :) |
| 22:12.37 | kdean06 | thomasg__, Then it doesn't work. :P |
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| 22:12.48 | Qwell | luceat: can't a gps do altitude? |
| 22:12.54 | wurp2 | it can |
| 22:12.55 | kdean06 | It hasn't worked at all for me. I've tried. :( |
| 22:12.55 | thomasg__ | kdean06, yeah, but it used to work |
| 22:12.57 | luceat | Qwell: i'm not sure :P |
| 22:13.03 | kdean06 | Not on call or SMS. |
| 22:13.07 | thomasg__ | I had it on a whole day |
| 22:13.15 | wurp2 | there is an altitude reading in the nmea gsm output |
| 22:13.20 | thomasg__ | 20 hours with temporary usage, and usage as phone |
| 22:13.34 | luceat | great, then it isn't impossible! :P |
| 22:13.40 | thomasg__ | that's it :) |
| 22:13.59 | kdean06 | Battery life is actually much less of an issue to me than the fact that when it dies, it dies HARD. |
| 22:14.03 | thomasg__ | it's luck or fate if you want :) |
| 22:14.19 | Qwell | what are the estimates on battery life for future builds? are there any? |
| 22:14.23 | wurp2 | kdean06: It's actually possible that it has shutdown on low battery |
| 22:14.45 | wurp2 | kdean06: But since it doesn't recognize the battery as low until it's basically dead, it doesn't matter |
| 22:14.50 | kdean06 | It's the 1.25 hours before I can talk my phone off it's USB life-line. |
| 22:15.11 | kdean06 | wurp2, And i've been told that's a firmware issue, which is about a half-step IMO from being physically defective. :P |
| 22:15.12 | wurp2 | Qwell: Theoretically, it should last 150 hours once we get the gsm firmware update and a good suspend |
| 22:15.19 | Qwell | neat |
| 22:15.23 | kdean06 | Unless they plan on giving me the source to that firmware. :) |
| 22:15.24 | wurp2 | That's pretty much absolute max, with gsm sleeping and nothing else running |
| 22:15.44 | wurp2 | but that all assumes that all that will work properly on the hardware, which obviously hasn't been tested |
| 22:16.19 | kdean06 | Oh man... St. Patrick's day... |
| 22:16.34 | wurp2 | kdean06: The bad battery reading is a firmware issue? |
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| 22:17.14 | CVirus | is the suspend/resume working now ? |
| 22:17.23 | wurp2 | CVirus: read the backlog :-) |
| 22:17.28 | wurp2 | short answer, no |
| 22:17.30 | CVirus | where is that ? |
| 22:17.31 | kdean06 | This is only my recollection, which tends to be inacurate, but I'm under the impression it's not a "bad battery reading" but "firmware doesn't realize this level means stop" issue. |
| 22:17.43 | wurp2 | ah |
| 22:17.45 | CVirus | wurp2: I'm talking about the freerunner |
| 22:17.56 | kdean06 | wurp2 and I disagree on that. :) |
| 22:17.57 | wurp2 | CVirus: You have one? |
| 22:18.13 | CVirus | wurp2: hehe ..no |
| 22:19.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1279 has been created by cwixon(AT)usa.net |
| 22:19.03 | cdbot2 | * * RNDIS no longer works with Windows -- regression |
| 22:19.05 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1279 |
| 22:19.27 | CVirus | what is the backlog ? |
| 22:19.37 | wurp2 | CVirus: I just meant earlier conversation |
| 22:19.58 | wurp2 | We were talking about suspend/resume status when you started chatting |
| 22:20.13 | CVirus | oh .. sorry |
| 22:20.27 | kdean06 | CVirus, You can suspend the phone, and resume via AUX. Resuming via power causes weird effects and it doesn't resume on SMS or GSM, though there are reports of inconsistant wake-on-call. |
| 22:20.33 | kdean06 | That's about it. :) |
| 22:20.44 | CVirus | I see |
| 22:21.26 | CVirus | are we getting near to seeing the FreeRunner available for sale ? |
| 22:21.36 | CVirus | for developers at least |
| 22:21.44 | kdean06 | Pilot production runs being "in a few days". |
| 22:22.12 | CVirus | let's hope |
| 22:22.25 | kdean06 | So there are real signs of movement but nothing new in terms of when it will be in our hands. |
| 22:22.54 | ScaredyCat | thos: I'm pretty sure I saw it :D |
| 22:23.13 | ScaredyCat | leaves a movement on kdean06's front step |
| 22:23.23 | wurp2 | CVirus: But you said you were asking about FreeRunner, and all of our conversation is about the '01 |
| 22:23.24 | kdean06 | I have a litter box! |
| 22:24.08 | wurp2 | I know nothing about suspend/resume on the FreeRunner |
| 22:24.20 | wurp2 | In fact, I don't think I even know the default gui engine for freerunner |
| 22:24.24 | thos | ScaredyCat, saw what? |
| 22:24.33 | thos | ScaredyCat, I made a new patch? |
| 22:27.10 | ScaredyCat | your contacts list patch |
| 22:33.27 | thos | ScaredyCat, yes |
| 22:33.41 | thos | ScaredyCat, I posted it to openmoko-devel |
| 22:35.15 | wurp2 | g'night, folks |
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| 22:36.47 | thos | ScaredyCat, I don't know if it will be put in the "official" openmoko build |
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| 22:54.23 | ahven | <luceat> haha :P isn't there a gps-project to track your friends/other phones? you might want to get a freerunner for your wife too then... or maybe not :P << tangogps, if someone didn't gave you an answer |
| 22:55.10 | CVirus | can you track the location of other GPS devices ? |
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| 23:58.28 | luceat | anyone who can recommend a gentle python IDE? preferrably one that has a gentoo ebuild... and gpl'd ofc :) sorry for the totally non-openmoko-related questions! |