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| 01:39.53 | trini8miami | hello ppl i have a qeustiom |
| 01:40.58 | trini8miami | it seems like i cant find any openmoko online do anybody know were i can order one |
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| 01:41.38 | trini8miami | anybody |
| 01:42.18 | kdean06 | trini8miami, At this point, you can only buy Neo1973 from secondary markets like ebay. The first is sold out and the second generation device isn't on sale yet. |
| 01:42.46 | trini8miami | do you know when it will |
| 01:42.58 | kdean06 | Nobody does. :( |
| 01:43.09 | kdean06 | Though "soon" has been floated about since late 2007. |
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| 01:44.42 | trini8miami | i herd you can install is on other devices how would i go about doing that and what device give the best results |
| 01:46.47 | kdean06 | No idea, though it's possible to play with the software on your PC. :) http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qemu |
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| 01:47.58 | darkbalder | hi everyone |
| 01:48.37 | darkbalder | I'm a student from University of Cuenca, in Ecuador |
| 01:49.24 | darkbalder | prox there's an IT congress about "mobile Technology" |
| 01:51.43 | trini8miami | does the emulator run slow |
| 01:52.16 | Sonicadvance | I thought it ran slow when I tried it, though, I don't own a Neo1973 to compare it to |
| 01:53.04 | kdean06 | The wiki article says it runs FASTER but in my experience this is WRONG. Neo runs faster. |
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| 01:53.20 | kdean06 | Though... Neo is still a bit slow. :P |
| 01:53.32 | kdean06 | But QEMU was slower than a real device. |
| 01:54.22 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03sean_chiang * r4198 10/trunk/src/target/audio/fic-gta02/gsmhandset.state: pass the receiver volume & receiver idle noise |
| 01:56.53 | pjz | can someone remind me what the name we know for non-freerunner openmoko project is? |
| 01:57.16 | pjz | the one that they were being somewhat secretive about but then let some driver specs or something out |
| 01:57.29 | kdean06 | pjz, OpenMoko is the software AND the company that writes it. :) Neo1973 is the first device that ran it, and the Freerunner is the second. :) |
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| 01:58.23 | kdean06 | OpenMoko has other non-openmoko ventures, such as the Dash, but that's not OpenMoko, it's only OpenMoko. :P |
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| 02:16.39 | trini8miami | so on the emulator my mouse dont work |
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| 02:55.28 | wurp2 | pjz: I think you're talking about their gps system |
| 02:55.53 | wurp2 | I don't remember anything more than that about it - I wasn't really interested in it |
| 03:03.32 | SpeedEvil | kdean06: as I understand it, it uses the kernel - but that's about it |
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| 05:56.26 | summatusmentis | did OM apply for GSoC? |
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| 06:14.57 | ccfly | good morning |
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| 08:27.40 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 09:14.12 | Genesis | hi |
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| 09:34.16 | ScaredyCat | it rings! it rings! |
| 09:34.25 | ScaredyCat | now, where's that squirrels ringtone |
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| 09:47.51 | ScaredyCat | chainsword? wtf is one of those? |
| 09:48.31 | XorA | ScaredyCat: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapons_of_the_Imperium_(Warhammer_40,000)#Chainsword |
| 09:49.30 | ScaredyCat | yeah, cos wikipedia is always accurate... |
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| 09:50.32 | ScaredyCat | squirrels squirrels |
| 09:50.41 | gi-el | cool |
| 09:50.50 | gi-el | i just hacked a serial port in a philips NAS device |
| 09:50.56 | gi-el | it has a marvell-customized u-boot |
| 09:51.04 | gi-el | and runs 2.6.12 |
| 09:51.15 | ScaredyCat | you're using a phillips NAS device? |
| 09:51.24 | gi-el | -l |
| 09:51.29 | gi-el | not using, hacking :) |
| 09:51.36 | ScaredyCat | isn't that like driving a Wal-Mart car/ |
| 09:51.38 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 09:51.42 | gi-el | why? |
| 09:51.52 | ScaredyCat | unk |
| 09:51.55 | ScaredyCat | +j |
| 09:52.03 | gi-el | it just says philips, for the rest it's just marvell |
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| 09:52.09 | gi-el | like, 80% of the NAS devices |
| 09:52.19 | ScaredyCat | gneh! ..... |
| 09:52.27 | ScaredyCat | byo! |
| 09:52.33 | gi-el | i'm kinda hurt that you associate philips with junk :( |
| 09:52.34 | gi-el | :) |
| 09:53.05 | ScaredyCat | sorry, but when you've had lots of stuff from them that just breaks you tend to think of everyhting they do as shite. |
| 09:53.25 | ScaredyCat | picture frame failure rate was very high |
| 09:53.31 | gi-el | yeah, philips CE kinda turned into an OEM box mover |
| 09:53.35 | gi-el | it's a sad situation |
| 09:54.13 | gi-el | anyway, i now have another arm-based device with a serial port, ready for assimilation |
| 09:54.23 | ScaredyCat | so have you asked for the source yet? :P |
| 09:54.34 | gi-el | i'm sure i can get it with one phone call |
| 09:55.03 | gi-el | i might do, 'cause it seems that the sata and gige drivers are custom marvell ones |
| 09:55.10 | ScaredyCat | :o |
| 09:55.12 | ScaredyCat | cool |
| 09:55.15 | gi-el | but they aren't loaded as modules, so they have to give the source |
| 09:55.23 | ScaredyCat | free them, free them now! |
| 09:55.35 | ScaredyCat | muwhahahahahhaahhahaa |
| 09:55.37 | gi-el | let me see what the offical statement on this is |
| 09:55.49 | ScaredyCat | ! |
| 09:57.31 | gi-el | hm, you can download new firmare, which is just a gz with an ext2 image in there |
| 09:57.56 | gi-el | "This product contains some Open Source Software code. Please see the user manual for details. Source code for any concerned software under the GNU General Public License version 2 and the Mozilla Public License 1.1 can be obtained via Philips Consumer Care. To contact Philips Consumer Care, please refer to the following website for telephone numbers and mail addresses: www.philips.com/support |
| 09:58.17 | ScaredyCat | yeah, they lie to make it impossible... |
| 09:58.20 | ScaredyCat | like |
| 09:58.24 | gi-el | nah |
| 09:58.37 | ScaredyCat | you phone CS and see if they know wtf you are on about... |
| 09:58.41 | gi-el | i just talked to the lawyer responsible, and he made the product manager include the source on the cd with the next batch |
| 09:58.59 | ScaredyCat | oh, you work at phillips? |
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| 09:59.10 | gi-el | no, i work at philips |
| 09:59.11 | gi-el | :P |
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| 09:59.16 | ScaredyCat | bleh! |
| 09:59.27 | gi-el | philips research that is, which is quite different from philips ce |
| 09:59.28 | Esben | philllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllips |
| 09:59.46 | TRIsoft | morning |
| 09:59.57 | ScaredyCat | oh, ok, so this isn;t a product yet then? |
| 10:00.12 | gi-el | it's so different that i thought it would be less effort to hack a serial port in myself than to ask how to do it |
| 10:00.15 | gi-el | it is |
| 10:00.33 | ScaredyCat | 8020 ? |
| 10:00.34 | gi-el | http://www.consumer.philips.com/consumer/en/gb/consumer/cc/_productid_SPD8020CC_10_GB_CONSUMER/External-Hard-Disk+SPD8020CC-10 |
| 10:00.38 | gi-el | yeah |
| 10:00.43 | Esben | gi-el: can you add jtag as well ? |
| 10:01.04 | gi-el | Esben: dunno, there is more on the pcb |
| 10:01.25 | gi-el | Esben: as in, place where you could soulder on a header :) |
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| 10:01.52 | gi-el | Esben: but it seems that the u-boot has sata, ext2 and network support |
| 10:01.53 | ScaredyCat | no javascript == not work |
| 10:02.00 | gi-el | you can get kernels over tftp |
| 10:02.07 | gi-el | and it by default boots a kernel off the hdd |
| 10:02.16 | gi-el | so, pretty painless |
| 10:02.34 | ScaredyCat | sweet .. |
| 10:02.39 | gi-el | ScaredyCat: yeah, i hate the website as well :( |
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| 10:03.02 | gi-el | ...i kinda have to be careful only to give out information you could figure out on your own as well :) |
| 10:03.12 | ScaredyCat | heheheh |
| 10:03.13 | gi-el | i'm now in my role as hacker, not as philips employee :) |
| 10:04.01 | gi-el | i think i'll just start by trying to just put slugos on there |
| 10:04.21 | Esben | I need to add a couple of disks to my ASUS NAS. Maybe I should add a couple of ethernet NAS boxen instead of USB disks. |
| 10:04.42 | gi-el | Esben: or ATAoE! |
| 10:04.49 | Esben | Would make a cool cluster :-) |
| 10:04.58 | gi-el | just add ataoe boxes, and export via your current nas |
| 10:05.27 | Esben | gi-el: I wan't to run Linux on all of them, so I can run server software of my own stuff on all 3 of them :-) |
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| 10:08.27 | ScaredyCat | ATAoE is supported from 2.6.11 |
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| 10:21.45 | gi-el | atoe is quite nice if your physical network is secure |
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| 10:23.05 | ScaredyCat | I presume you'd cable fairly direct... |
| 10:23.36 | gi-el | it's also not routable, so that helps |
| 10:24.03 | ScaredyCat | there goes my chance of downloading the internet :) |
| 10:24.05 | gi-el | but if you have an open access point hooked up to the same switch, it's not a good idea |
| 10:24.20 | gi-el | it's very cool tho, at home, i boot from aoe |
| 10:24.34 | gi-el | don't need tcp, don't need to bring interfaces up, don't need an ip |
| 10:25.09 | ScaredyCat | mmmm |
| 10:25.31 | gi-el | and with cryptoloop you can make it secure as well :P |
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| 10:30.30 | ScaredyCat | what hardware ? |
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| 10:31.57 | gi-el | ScaredyCat: server is an nslu2 |
| 10:32.07 | gi-el | client is some diskless via epia machine |
| 10:32.38 | ScaredyCat | hrmmm.... |
| 10:33.23 | ScaredyCat | so what tells the client where it boots from? |
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| 10:36.45 | XorA | ~lart ScaredyCat |
| 10:36.45 | apt | pries ScaredyCat's back open with a screwdriver and flashes a new bootldr to ScaredyCat |
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| 10:37.14 | ScaredyCat | what? |
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| 10:37.34 | XorA | because I was messing around with gta01 junk I built the wrong image this morning |
| 10:37.53 | ScaredyCat | .... and that's my fault because... ? |
| 10:38.02 | XorA | you didnt fix the .state files for me |
| 10:38.08 | ScaredyCat | oh, yes, because *you* broke the state files... |
| 10:38.26 | ScaredyCat | I tried, I was tired... |
| 10:38.42 | XorA | bah excuses Cats are nocturnal :-) |
| 10:39.37 | ScaredyCat | not this one... |
| 10:40.14 | ScaredyCat | gi-el: are you using etherboot or something? |
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| 10:43.59 | XorA | gi-el: join me in brutalising ScaredyCat with nasty imaginary weapons |
| 10:45.58 | XorA | yes, no more linux shite |
| 10:46.05 | zash | TRAITOR |
| 10:47.12 | ScaredyCat | muwhahahahaha |
| 10:47.23 | XorA | yay, I love speaking to sexy Indian women |
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| 10:55.22 | Ebbe | What am I to do when my microSD gets mounted read-only on the Neo? |
| 10:55.46 | zash | remount it rw? |
| 10:56.14 | Ebbe | "mount: /dev/mmcblk0p1: can't read superblock" .. |
| 10:57.04 | zash | :( |
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| 11:03.32 | SpeedEvil | Is it really simply unable to access the SD at all? |
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| 11:58.29 | torpor | sup freeks? |
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| 14:44.33 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03sean_chiang * r4203 10/trunk/src/target/audio/fic-gta02/ (gsmhandset.state gsmheadset.state): add gsmheadset audio state and fine tune gsmhandset, with them, will have better sound quality. Tested by instrument and field test |
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| 14:49.02 | TAsn | hey i just noticed april is coming close, and no one changed the topic just yet! is it real out in april |
| 14:49.02 | TAsn | ? |
| 14:52.08 | zash | "New version is the FreeRunner (with WiFi...) maybe due April" |
| 14:52.15 | zash | "maybe" |
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| 15:05.47 | affen | so the solution to the missing audio is to update the kernel with the latest path to the audio driver? |
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| 15:07.56 | ScaredyCat | 1st April I'll have 20 :) |
| 15:08.29 | ScaredyCat | ahven: you don't need to.... I have the corrected .state files |
| 15:08.42 | ScaredyCat | they;re in svn actually |
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| 15:33.45 | darkbalder | hi everyone |
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| 15:38.24 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4204 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/ (8 files): opkg: enable -Werror in libopkg and fix resulting build failures |
| 15:39.12 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r95 10/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd/src/gsm0710muxd.c: |
| 15:39.12 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: make the muxer pm / psc aware |
| 15:39.12 | CIA-17 | freesmartphone.org: send wakeups to the modem before any package |
| 15:43.08 | wurp2 | hi darkbalder |
| 15:43.30 | darkbalder | hi wurp2 |
| 15:43.56 | darkbalder | is android part of openmoko projects? |
| 15:44.05 | Blastur | no |
| 15:45.00 | josch | lol @ darkbalder |
| 15:45.02 | ahven | ScaredyCat: hmm, I understood that the nosound problem was in the audio driver? |
| 15:45.10 | ahven | not the echo |
| 15:45.15 | darkbalder | where I can download a openmoko sdk? |
| 15:46.25 | summatusmentis | did openmoko apply for GSoC? |
| 15:48.17 | josch | summatusmentis, not yet mickeyl does the organization for SoC - have a look at the SoC 2008 wiki page |
| 15:49.03 | Sup3rkiddo | i think we are past the last date for applying |
| 15:50.33 | summatusmentis | josch: application date was yesterday at noon PST. The reason I ask is because Angstrom missed it |
| 15:51.09 | Sup3rkiddo | oo :( |
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| 15:51.28 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 15:51.32 | Sup3rkiddo | ioha |
| 15:52.10 | Sup3rkiddo | summatusmentis, well there is a wiki for the idea.. |
| 15:52.13 | Sup3rkiddo | *ideas |
| 15:52.39 | summatusmentis | Sup3rkiddo: Angstrom has that too :-) |
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| 15:53.12 | Sup3rkiddo | josch, how about j00 |
| 15:53.27 | summatusmentis | oh shitz, class time |
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| 15:54.17 | Aria | Our future programmers spell shit with a z. |
| 15:55.53 | josch | Sup3rkiddo, together with emdete I'm more into underground development (python, efl, pylgrim) than in openmoko |
| 15:56.12 | Sup3rkiddo | ah cool |
| 15:57.01 | Sup3rkiddo | josch, pylgrim is quite cool |
| 15:57.25 | josch | oh noes - why does everybody know it?? |
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| 15:57.49 | josch | this app does really NOTHING - I hacked it in two days |
| 15:57.51 | Sup3rkiddo | josch, pylgrim sucks |
| 15:57.55 | Sup3rkiddo | :) |
| 15:58.09 | josch | thx ^^ |
| 15:58.17 | Sup3rkiddo | lol |
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| 16:10.09 | wurp2 | darkbalder: OM is a while mobile platform |
| 16:10.27 | wurp2 | The 'api' is GTK+ and dbus |
| 16:11.15 | wurp2 | You can search for qemu, toolchain and mokomakefile on wiki.openmoko.org to see how to get an emulation & build environment set up on your (linux) machine |
| 16:11.37 | wurp2 | er, OM is a *whole* mobile platform |
| 16:11.47 | darkbalder | I'm there, thnx wurp2 |
| 16:12.04 | wurp2 | darkbalder: yw |
| 16:12.39 | wurp2 | darkbalder: What language do you want to work in? |
| 16:12.53 | wurp2 | Where the choices are really C, C++, and python |
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| 16:16.08 | darkbalder | wurp2, there is a Java support?? |
| 16:17.27 | wurp2 | Sort of |
| 16:17.41 | wurp2 | There are several projects porting various java platforms onto OM |
| 16:17.56 | wurp2 | J2SE and J2ME and a hybrid |
| 16:18.07 | wurp2 | Searching for java on the wiki should get you there |
| 16:18.40 | wurp2 | I don't know the status of those projects. I do Java for my day job but primarily python on the OM (the little bit that I've done on the OM) |
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| 16:19.24 | Qwell | so, at 400mhz, is video possible? |
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| 16:27.42 | Qwell | so, on multiple machines, I'm having a lot of trouble running the qemu image... |
| 16:27.43 | darkbalder | wurp2, with python, I suppose, is lighter than java |
| 16:27.48 | Qwell | qemu: fatal: Trying to execute code outside RAM or ROM at 0x00000000 |
| 16:28.07 | anrp | the almighty null |
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| 16:28.35 | Qwell | googling around last night showed very little, unfortunately |
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| 16:37.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1270 has been created by cwixon(AT)usa.net |
| 16:37.01 | cdbot2 | * * matchbox keyboard maps differently with USB plugged in |
| 16:37.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1270 |
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| 16:56.42 | darkbalder | My university will do a Congress of Mobile technology, I'm looking for people to present openmoko project |
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| 16:57.17 | darkbalder | interested?? |
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| 16:57.50 | ScaredyCat | avhen: the recent no sound was caused by someone breaking the .state files |
| 16:58.03 | ScaredyCat | ahven: even |
| 16:58.33 | XorA | ls |
| 16:58.46 | darkbalder | can anyone help me? |
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| 16:59.23 | XorA | cd |
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| 16:59.47 | XorA | damn cant get used to this wide screen |
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| 17:01.09 | loufoque | I remember the time when I wanted to buy the FreeRunner in march 2007 |
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| 17:06.09 | kdean06 | darkbalder, You may want to contact OpenMoko Inc. directly, it's possible that the people in here who CAN represent OM aren't allowed to without authorization. :) |
| 17:06.38 | XorA | darkbalder: which country? |
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| 17:07.46 | loufoque | is it possible to have VoIP over GPRS, and should that be cheaper than GSM? |
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| 17:09.20 | kdean06 | It's possible at least in theory. Though if it's "Cheaper" depends on the provider. Data-only plans on my carrier are more expensive than voice plans. |
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| 17:11.54 | darkbalder | thnx kdean06 |
| 17:11.59 | darkbalder | XorA, Ecuador |
| 17:15.29 | XorA | darkbalder: bit far away for me but Werner lives in South America somewhere |
| 17:15.53 | XorA | darkbalder: email the community mailing list, we all read that |
| 17:16.34 | darkbalder | tnx XorA |
| 17:17.06 | XorA | anyway I must run |
| 17:18.48 | ScaredyCat | hahahaha |
| 17:18.52 | ScaredyCat | run... you... |
| 17:18.53 | ScaredyCat | :P |
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| 17:22.42 | ScaredyCat | # svn blame *.state |
| 17:22.52 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:23.12 | ScaredyCat | ... |
| 17:23.28 | ScaredyCat | I once knew a Dutch girl with inflatable shoes.... |
| 17:23.47 | ScaredyCat | Phoned her up the other day only to find she'd popped her clogs. |
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| 17:26.46 | loufoque | kdean06: unlimited data plans are cheaper than unlimited voice plans |
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| 18:12.46 | Gen|deadline | bye |
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| 18:21.21 | loufoque | is FreeRunner USB 1.1 or 2.0? |
| 18:21.52 | SpeedEvil | 1.1 |
| 18:24.34 | ahven | ScaredyCat: how can I get those state files without reflashing? :) |
| 18:24.35 | loufoque | I see. |
| 18:24.47 | loufoque | can the wifi be used to crack WEP networks? |
| 18:25.02 | loufoque | ie. can it run in promiscuous mode or whatever |
| 18:25.04 | Blastur | i dont think it can enter monitor mode |
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| 18:25.18 | Blastur | though this is a driver limitation, so it could change at a later point |
| 18:25.24 | Blastur | (i think) |
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| 18:25.39 | SpeedEvil | Isn't encryption illegal in france? |
| 18:27.06 | loufoque | SpeedEvil: yes, we're totally not allowed to encrypt our data, we must expose everything we do, including our credit card numbers. |
| 18:27.38 | loufoque | SpeedEvil: joke. What do you mean exactly? |
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| 18:29.04 | SpeedEvil | loufoque: http://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/01/15/france_to_end_severe_encryption/ |
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| 18:31.51 | ahven | kindof silly, "encryption is baaa, mmkay" |
| 18:31.55 | ahven | baaad* |
| 18:32.52 | CVirus | okay Mr. Mackey :-p |
| 18:33.01 | loufoque | "French minister for the economy and finance, Domenica Strauss-Khan, has said she [...]" wtf, Dominique Strauss-Khan is a man |
| 18:33.49 | ahven | guess again? :P |
| 18:34.22 | loufoque | and that's old, that was in 1999 |
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| 18:34.27 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 18:34.34 | SpeedEvil | It's comparatively recent though |
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| 18:35.35 | SpeedEvil | I hadn't kept up with changes - as I don't care about the french legal code much. |
| 18:35.46 | loufoque | it's just they didn't want people to encrypt their data on their computers, so that the police which takes computers can still analyze the data to check whether they're terrorists or whatever |
| 18:36.38 | loufoque | I'm pretty sure anyway there wasn't ever a case where someone was sued for using encryption though |
| 18:37.37 | SpeedEvil | For a long time, software suppliers supplied crippled easy-to-crack versions for france. |
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| 18:57.22 | Kensan | mickeyl: Thanks for the great talk today at Openexpo. Was great to see the new hardware for real ;) |
| 18:58.02 | Blastur | Kensan: do you know if its downloadable? sounds interesting :) |
| 18:59.02 | Kensan | Blastur: they said the talks would be recorded so I assume so. |
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| 18:59.44 | Qwell | TimRiker: hey |
| 19:00.24 | Kensan | Blastur: you might have to wait a couples days thought. |
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| 19:02.44 | Kensan | Blastur: I seems that once the talks are up they will be uploaded here: http://www.openexpo.ch/fileadmin/documents/2008Bern/ |
| 19:04.01 | Blastur | excellent, thanks Kensan |
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| 20:36.21 | Ebbe | kdean06: Why've you stopped reviewing suspend in your snapshot reviews? |
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| 20:36.50 | kdean06 | I've not stopped, I've never done it. :P |
| 20:36.56 | Ebbe | ;) |
| 20:36.57 | kdean06 | I could add it. :0 |
| 20:37.31 | kdean06 | Suspend is a feature that didn't work when I began and I personally don't see a use for it. Either you dim and the phone works, or you save battery by turning it off. :) |
| 20:37.31 | Ebbe | kdean06: Well, you have it in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Snapshot_review#Suspend |
| 20:37.40 | kdean06 | Can it resume from suspend via GSM? |
| 20:37.50 | Ebbe | I don't think so |
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| 20:39.01 | kdean06 | Ebbe, Unfortunately, whomever made that edit to the page didn't inform me that the change was made, nor that reviewing the feature was important to them. :P |
| 20:39.17 | kdean06 | I've never personally reviewed that feature. |
| 20:39.30 | Ebbe | Okay |
| 20:39.40 | kdean06 | I'm not even sure I technically understand what it is. :P Suspend is the "Dim and lock" mode, right? |
| 20:39.48 | Ebbe | Yep |
| 20:39.51 | kdean06 | Okay. :) |
| 20:39.56 | Ebbe | "Lock phone" |
| 20:39.59 | kdean06 | I'll try adding that tomorrow. :) |
| 20:40.07 | Ebbe | Cool |
| 20:40.22 | Ebbe | It's just to make some focus on it |
| 20:40.26 | wurp2 | I believe I am "that person" ;-) |
| 20:40.40 | Ebbe | Hehe |
| 20:40.43 | kdean06 | Or, in ScaredyCat parlance... |
| 20:40.49 | wurp2 | IMO if we see that something works or doesn't, it's silly *not* to add that information to the review page |
| 20:41.21 | wurp2 | I don't necessarily care to ask someone to always review that, or commit to doing so myself, but more info is better (within reason) |
| 20:41.42 | wurp2 | suspend is handy |
| 20:41.49 | wurp2 | if it worked, it would be, anyway |
| 20:42.01 | Ebbe | Would save much battery |
| 20:42.10 | kdean06 | wurp2, I suppose I agree with you. At the same time, I wonder why someone would actually use that (because IIRC, there was a hardware issue preventing it from waking on GSM). |
| 20:42.14 | wurp2 | If you turn the phone off, it doesn't wake on a call, nor will it any time soon |
| 20:42.20 | wurp2 | afaik |
| 20:42.28 | wurp2 | But resume on a call did work recent-ish |
| 20:42.32 | TRIsoft | kdean06: Can't you simply not review the things, that doesn't work ? |
| 20:43.03 | kdean06 | TRIsoft, Yes, I could. :P But them not working may be as important as them working. :P |
| 20:43.17 | TRIsoft | Reviews would look much more positive then... |
| 20:43.17 | wurp2 | There may be a hardware issue with reliability of waking on GSM, but I know there were reports of wake on GSM working recently |
| 20:43.36 | wurp2 | but no information on something is not the same thing as letting ppl know it doesn't work |
| 20:43.38 | kdean06 | I didn't realize resume on call worked at ANY point in time. If that's the case, I'll add it. I'd LOVE to have it. |
| 20:43.41 | ahven | in my attemts, resume doesn't work correctly :( |
| 20:43.57 | wurp2 | That is thirdhand knowledge (for you, secondhand for me :-) |
| 20:44.01 | kdean06 | TRIsoft, My goal isn't to make a positive review, but an accurate one. |
| 20:44.01 | ahven | flashes the screen for a little and done |
| 20:44.06 | wurp2 | Someone in this room said they had it wake on gsm consistenly |
| 20:44.22 | TRIsoft | kdean06: Sure, just kidding |
| 20:44.32 | wurp2 | I have seen wake work fine, but not on any release 2/28 or later. All later releases freak out the video on wake. |
| 20:44.58 | kdean06 | That's okay, since no releases after 2/28 are usable as a phone anyway. :P |
| 20:45.08 | kdean06 | No audio = phone killer |
| 20:45.12 | wurp2 | Let me clarify: I have seen wake *on power button* work fine. I have never personally seen wake on GSM work. |
| 20:45.22 | kdean06 | Oh. |
| 20:45.28 | kdean06 | Yeah, I knew of that... |
| 20:45.35 | wurp2 | but I have seen reports that wake on GSM worked. |
| 20:46.01 | kdean06 | wurp2, Personally speaking, if the phone can't accept calls, it's "off" in my mind. So suspend is just a way to turn the phone off and have it eat your battery. :P |
| 20:46.11 | wurp2 | The person who reported it said that they turned off something in boot parameters... |
| 20:46.16 | kdean06 | I suppose it's not a phone to everyone esle thoughl. |
| 20:46.20 | kdean06 | But it's a phone to me. :) |
| 20:46.20 | wurp2 | 'off' eats your battery too |
| 20:46.35 | wurp2 | unless you install the init script to turn off gsm on shutdown |
| 20:46.55 | wurp2 | Suspend does restart LOTS faster than off |
| 20:46.56 | kdean06 | Temporary issue, I'm told. :P |
| 20:47.09 | wurp2 | I dunno how much power suspend mode uses, especially if you turned off gsm first... |
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| 20:47.34 | Ebbe | wurp2: Almost nothing if it's made correctly |
| 20:48.24 | TRIsoft | Can any1 confirm the "shutdown on setting date / time" behavior ? |
| 20:50.00 | kdean06 | What behavior is that? |
| 20:50.44 | TRIsoft | Boot the phone. Open terminal. Set date - phone goes off |
| 20:50.55 | TRIsoft | Need to pull battery to get it back on. |
| 20:52.06 | Ebbe | TRIsoft: I've only had the screen turn off |
| 20:52.23 | TRIsoft | I can't power it back on. No chance. |
| 20:52.51 | wurp2 | Yeah, that's what I thought |
| 20:52.58 | Ebbe | TRIsoft: Maybe it just went into a faulty suspend |
| 20:53.09 | wurp2 | TRIsoft: I set my time, and I have no such problem |
| 20:53.28 | wurp2 | But... if you have "Dim, then lock" set, and you set the time into the future |
| 20:53.35 | wurp2 | the phone my well decide it's time to suspend |
| 20:53.39 | TRIsoft | Hmm. I hope i'm able to flash an actual image on it tomorrow |
| 20:53.40 | wurp2 | as Ebbe pointed out |
| 20:54.32 | wurp2 | kdean06: It's a phone to me, just lots of other stuff too. |
| 20:54.45 | wurp2 | Unfortunately right now it's only a semi-mobile phone, considering I have a 4 hour tether. |
| 20:54.49 | TRIsoft | That's what i thought. That the phone thinks "OMG! I'm on since 5 days ! Time to shutdown... |
| 20:55.06 | kdean06 | TRIsoft, I can confirm that on the 28 Feb 2008 image, that does NOT happen. |
| 20:55.14 | wurp2 | but you shouldn't have "Dim, then lock" turned on right now, probably. |
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| 20:55.29 | TRIsoft | OK. I think, it's a 20 Feb image on it. Haven't had a chance to reflash it. |
| 20:55.30 | wurp2 | Since waking isn't working, locking (suspending) is probably a bad thing. |
| 20:55.39 | kdean06 | I reset my clock yesterday with no issues at all. |
| 20:55.58 | wurp2 | Oh, I have a script to reset the clock from GPS, if people want it |
| 20:56.37 | wurp2 | Hrm, except you have to hand edit the script right now to enter your GMT offset :-/ |
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| 22:41.44 | bmidgley | guys, doesn't the 47k ID resistor have to be in the usb *cable* not the charger itself? |
| 22:42.01 | bmidgley | not the ac adapter itself I mean |
| 22:42.10 | mjr | does it matter? |
| 22:42.22 | bmidgley | it does because the cable comes off |
| 22:42.23 | SpeedEvil | If that is how the neo senses a dumb charger, then either will work |
| 22:42.43 | SpeedEvil | I am not sure that it does. |
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| 22:43.17 | bmidgley | I can't find my original neo gear, but iirc the ac brick just had a female type a connector |
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| 22:44.18 | SpeedEvil | There was no AC brick |
| 22:44.22 | stefan_schmidt | bmidgley: The new charger have the cable glued to the charger. So no problem |
| 22:44.33 | SpeedEvil | At least as far as I got. |
| 22:45.23 | stefan_schmidt | SpeedEvil: Ther was one in woth the free phones. Not the MP ones |
| 22:45.45 | stefan_schmidt | SpeedEvil: But we should forget about it. It violates to much of the USB spec. :) |
| 22:45.48 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 22:46.29 | Qwell | anybody have any thoughts on why qemu fails to ...work? http://pastebin.ca/941777 |
| 22:47.02 | Qwell | 2 machines, 2 different distros (gentoo and debian lenny), same problem on both, using MokoMakefile |
| 22:47.45 | stefan_schmidt | Qwell: Ping balrog-kun. He's the author. |
| 22:47.54 | Qwell | balrog-kun: ping :D |
| 22:52.22 | bmidgley | :( I didn't realize there was anything special about that cable so now I can't find it |
| 23:04.48 | ahven | use software to enable fast charge? |
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| 23:07.33 | Qwell | hmm, same errors if I don't use MokoMakefile |
| 23:08.32 | bmidgley | ahven, yeah I'll do that, but I was hoping to build a neohub for freerunner |
| 23:08.35 | bmidgley | like http://chockerblockablog.blogspot.com/2008/03/neo1973-no-wifi3gbattery-life-no.html |
| 23:08.45 | bmidgley | that cable would have been perfect |
| 23:09.32 | raboof | is the freerunner expected to be around 450USD still? or will it be more expensive due to the more advanced hardware? |
| 23:11.42 | Blastur | its likely to be less than 450USD |
| 23:12.03 | Blastur | even the more advanced HW is getting old, due to all the delays |
| 23:12.30 | raboof | i guess that's cool in a sense : |
| 23:12.32 | raboof | ;) |
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| 23:13.18 | Blastur | the latest community update has more on freerunner pricing |
| 23:13.31 | morricone | Blastur, where? |
| 23:14.43 | Blastur | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-February/013555.html |
| 23:15.03 | Blastur | bullet 1 basically, its not that much new info |
| 23:15.07 | Blastur | but its official :) |
| 23:15.53 | raboof | ;) |
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| 23:17.25 | raboof | s/given/provided |
| 23:19.21 | summatusmentis | I'm worried I'd be tinkering too much, and screw those up :-) |
| 23:20.02 | Blastur | hehe ya, it is probably not a good idea to use your freerunner as main phone if you are into kernel hacking ^^ |
| 23:20.03 | Qwell | err...how...odd. If I change the download URL in openmoko/env to the backup URL, it works (it gets further anyways) |
| 23:20.27 | summatusmentis | Blastur: that or buy two |
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