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| 02:58.45 | jadams_ | anyone gotten illume running on their v1? or will it not work well without the graphics chip? |
| 03:02.14 | raster | it will work just fine no matter what gfx engine |
| 03:02.15 | raster | :) |
| 03:02.20 | raster | i was going to do it |
| 03:02.26 | raster | but my moko build was broken |
| 03:02.30 | raster | so i didn't |
| 03:02.34 | Qwell | anybody tried xgl/compiz? :p |
| 03:02.35 | raster | i shoudl do it today to compare |
| 03:02.40 | raster | HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA |
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| 03:31.25 | aiyung | Have someone porting OpenMoko to QT2440 board? |
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| 05:36.23 | holycow | okay so i got a crackberry 8700 |
| 05:36.31 | holycow | my phone died |
| 05:36.34 | holycow | let me tell you |
| 05:36.45 | holycow | this think sucks large %$#&# |
| 05:37.05 | holycow | i don't care if the moko doesn't have much functionality beyond phonecalls when it comes out |
| 05:37.08 | holycow | i want one now |
| 05:39.48 | raster | hahahahaha |
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| 06:04.20 | holycow | raster: what is the url of the video of the user using e17 on moko? |
| 06:04.29 | holycow | i need to bookmark that again and show it to a friend |
| 06:05.32 | raster | illume |
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| 06:05.46 | raster | http://illume.projects.openmoko.org/ |
| 06:06.18 | holycow | thank you very muchly!!!!! |
| 06:08.40 | holycow | raster: is that you in the vid? |
| 06:09.06 | raster | my sexy naked fingers |
| 06:09.12 | raster | finger-porn |
| 06:10.52 | holycow | raster, thank you for putting that up |
| 06:10.54 | holycow | thats wicked |
| 06:11.03 | raster | its where illume stands now |
| 06:11.03 | raster | btw |
| 06:11.07 | raster | qtopia apps work under it too |
| 06:11.28 | raster | if u use zecke's qtopia on x11 mods |
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| 06:15.25 | gi-el | raster: very fancy, nice |
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| 06:17.58 | raster | :) |
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| 06:19.41 | holycow | really? |
| 06:19.42 | holycow | neato |
| 06:19.52 | holycow | i think the interface is intuitive |
| 06:19.55 | holycow | and tastefull |
| 06:20.13 | holycow | and takes into account the natural formfactor of a small screen |
| 06:20.32 | raster | tnx |
| 06:20.33 | raster | :) |
| 06:20.37 | raster | i intend to improve it |
| 06:20.38 | raster | its a start |
| 06:20.40 | ccfly | good morning |
| 06:21.11 | raster | but the top bar is basically a way to fide away functionality so it doesnt use screen space |
| 06:21.15 | raster | just tap it to get to any of it |
| 06:22.01 | holycow | thats kind of how i see interfaces on small devices too |
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| 06:22.22 | raster | the real problem is dragging/sliding is finicky |
| 06:22.32 | holycow | this is how i imagine setting up plasma to work when kde4 works on moko / if |
| 06:22.39 | raster | partly thanks to the touchscreen being pressure-based |
| 06:22.45 | holycow | basically just overlay the ui on a tap setting |
| 06:22.48 | raster | release pressure a bit and your mouse button is "Released" |
| 06:22.54 | holycow | and every app is maximized of course |
| 06:22.57 | raster | and so u get multiple pres/reeleases with drags |
| 06:23.06 | holycow | the hidden pulldown is very similar i like it |
| 06:23.16 | holycow | sweet |
| 06:23.22 | raster | cool |
| 06:23.50 | raster | next i need my "busy launching something" popup/slide-in |
| 06:24.03 | holycow | oh yeah :) |
| 06:24.20 | holycow | wher edid you you come up with the horizontal sliding idea? |
| 06:24.23 | holycow | thats pretty cool too |
| 06:24.27 | raster | that's will's |
| 06:24.30 | raster | i like it |
| 06:24.35 | raster | but i think i need to make it tap based |
| 06:24.37 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4193 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/src/phone-kit/moko-talking.c: openmoko-dialer2: bug fixed for Call Direction (Erin Yueh) |
| 06:24.43 | raster | eg tap on the left/right side of the selector to jump a slot |
| 06:25.03 | raster | just more practical |
| 06:25.05 | holycow | cool |
| 06:25.16 | holycow | what do you think of the gfx capabilities of th emoko? |
| 06:25.17 | raster | taps are reliable |
| 06:25.19 | raster | drags are not |
| 06:25.23 | raster | the gta02? |
| 06:25.28 | holycow | gta2 yeah |
| 06:25.43 | raster | well i know to much |
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| 06:25.44 | raster | so... |
| 06:25.45 | raster | um |
| 06:25.47 | raster | be mroe specific |
| 06:25.49 | holycow | oh btw, you might find this video interesting ... its from buglabs |
| 06:25.51 | raster | in what ways? |
| 06:25.56 | holycow | oh hehe well |
| 06:26.03 | holycow | *hmmm* good question actually |
| 06:26.12 | holycow | i noticed a bit of lag in the scrolls |
| 06:26.37 | holycow | was curious i guess if that a code optimization thing or just part and parcel of how the gfx chip works? |
| 06:27.05 | holycow | the way i look at stuff like that is one can optimize the effects to suit the quirks of the gfx platform being used |
| 06:27.31 | holycow | oh buglabs link doesn't work ... k. |
| 06:28.12 | holycow | fro example if scrolls are something the chip has a hard time handling than in place fade/in/out might be cheaper to pull off but just as aesthetically pleasing |
| 06:28.18 | holycow | hypothetically of course |
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| 06:30.32 | holycow | or ... no need to answer :) |
| 06:30.33 | holycow | lol |
| 06:30.38 | holycow | i'm not fishing |
| 06:30.41 | holycow | just curious |
| 06:30.42 | holycow | :) |
| 06:30.50 | gi-el | raster: are you using the graphic capabilities of the gta02 or would illume work just as well on gta01? |
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| 06:40.50 | holycow | oops |
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| 06:49.59 | raster | holycow: aaah ok. lagh |
| 06:50.05 | raster | well all the rendering is done cpu-land |
| 06:50.11 | raster | but the gfx is then copied to the framebuffer |
| 06:50.18 | raster | the link from system to the fb is REALLY SLOW |
| 06:50.19 | holycow | aha |
| 06:50.25 | holycow | ohhhhh |
| 06:50.29 | holycow | thats what they were talking about |
| 06:50.32 | holycow | *humm* |
| 06:50.37 | holycow | then nthing you can do about it |
| 06:50.39 | holycow | indeed |
| 06:50.40 | raster | its slower than my broadband was in tokyo |
| 06:50.50 | raster | that is a problem |
| 06:50.55 | raster | that is a hw limitation of the gta02 |
| 06:50.56 | holycow | kinda weird, how come? |
| 06:51.08 | raster | so your lag is that |
| 06:51.19 | raster | well the gta02 has gfx offboard on the glamo |
| 06:51.31 | raster | the lin to the glamo is slow - thats just a hw limitation of the platform |
| 06:51.52 | holycow | aha |
| 06:51.55 | holycow | well so be it |
| 06:52.09 | holycow | maybe next version or something |
| 06:53.39 | raster | gi-el: illume will probabyl work BETTER on the gta01 |
| 06:53.42 | raster | by a fair margin |
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| 06:53.57 | raster | holycow: the only way to get decent speed is to do everything on the glamo |
| 06:54.02 | raster | so u dont upload lots of data |
| 06:54.09 | raster | that qill mean more needs to be accelerated |
| 06:54.14 | raster | at this point not a lot is |
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| 06:54.17 | raster | there is a plan |
| 06:54.18 | holycow | aha |
| 06:54.23 | raster | even then the glamo cant do everything u n3eed |
| 06:54.24 | holycow | sounds like a lot of work |
| 06:54.33 | raster | so sooner or later u need to resort to uploading again |
| 06:54.38 | raster | and so u end up with this problem again |
| 06:54.42 | holycow | might be better to wait for a better design? |
| 06:54.53 | holycow | or just be clever about it |
| 06:54.59 | holycow | for the sake of freedom |
| 06:55.08 | raster | well u need to get clever |
| 06:55.15 | raster | dont do things where u need to keep uloading all the time |
| 06:55.19 | raster | so remove scrolling |
| 06:55.22 | raster | go to paginati9on |
| 06:55.28 | raster | so u jump pages |
| 06:55.33 | raster | or u upload only small regions of the screen |
| 06:55.39 | raster | so only ever modify small areas smothly |
| 06:55.44 | raster | and modify everything in a big "jump" |
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| 06:56.09 | holycow | aha |
| 06:56.14 | holycow | interesting |
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| 06:56.30 | holycow | when i originally startedin flash we had some interesting limitations too |
| 06:56.48 | holycow | as an author i mean, not working for macromedia or anything |
| 06:57.02 | holycow | everyone was on dialup back then and we did similar things |
| 06:57.22 | holycow | you would only load up portions of the scenes as required |
| 06:57.36 | Sonicadvance1 | lol |
| 06:57.37 | holycow | and also not do any fancy effects that the cpus couldn't handle |
| 06:58.04 | raster | yup |
| 06:58.09 | holycow | just ended up resorting to simple fade to black kinds of things and throwing the user 'loaders' to let them know something was happening |
| 06:58.09 | raster | ned to be similarly careful |
| 06:58.39 | holycow | the weird thing was |
| 06:58.42 | holycow | when everyone got adsl |
| 06:58.49 | holycow | it was fun for about 6 months |
| 06:58.59 | holycow | everyone did the weirdes most amibitious stuff you could |
| 06:59.02 | holycow | maybe 12 months |
| 06:59.25 | holycow | then we all went back to simple load only as needed, fade to black and throw up 'smaller and faster loaders' so the user knew what was happening |
| 06:59.26 | holycow | lol |
| 06:59.31 | raster | ehhehe |
| 07:01.03 | Sonicadvance1 | lol |
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| 08:15.19 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:38.27 | beni | morning |
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| 08:38.58 | summatusmentis | well, it would be, except I haven't been able to sleep all night :-/ |
| 08:39.59 | beni | i slept very good, but woke up tired. |
| 08:42.15 | beni | just wanted to know, whats the current status of the freerunner and openmoko is... i dont get community updates since end of february (are there some?) at the mailing list, and from the kernel list i am not able to tell the status |
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| 08:44.45 | ccfly | well it's kinda like this: hardware is almost ready, software is unpolished, rasterman is kicking the chops out of GTA02 glamo GPU and that's about it |
| 08:45.01 | ccfly | at the end of this month first pilot production of 100pcs will begin |
| 08:45.04 | ccfly | hopefully |
| 08:45.10 | ccfly | and then tada |
| 08:45.12 | ccfly | GTA02 |
| 08:45.42 | raster | woots |
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| 08:47.49 | beni | cool |
| 08:47.55 | beni | what about the enrergy problems? |
| 08:48.50 | ccfly | more or less solved on GTA02 |
| 08:49.01 | ccfly | GTA01 had virtually no power management |
| 08:49.14 | ccfly | if anyone know anything mroe aout PM on GTA02 please jump in :> |
| 08:49.20 | ccfly | more about |
| 08:49.22 | ccfly | typos |
| 08:50.58 | beni | any informations on how long the gta02 lasts now? |
| 08:51.07 | beni | i heard from less a day, is that true? |
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| 08:55.28 | ccfly | I have no idea, but ~140-200 hours on standby and 3-4 talk time were thrown around somewhere on mailing list |
| 08:55.38 | ccfly | if I remember correctly |
| 08:55.54 | raster | i think u may get more on talk |
| 08:56.01 | raster | my gta02 can do about 5.5hrs |
| 08:56.10 | raster | admittdely thats no active tranmitting |
| 08:56.15 | raster | just passive gsm on, wifi on |
| 08:56.18 | raster | cpu and lcd on |
| 08:56.29 | raster | everything on and running |
| 09:02.02 | beni | hm, thats not much, isn't it? |
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| 09:02.27 | TRIsoft | morning |
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| 09:09.36 | raster | beni: thats pretty damn good. |
| 09:09.51 | raster | ven phones spend 99% of their life suspended (to ram) |
| 09:10.06 | raster | that means almost everything off except gsm chip (in low power passive recieve mode) |
| 09:10.11 | raster | and ram on refresh only |
| 09:10.21 | raster | thats why talk time is a few hrs |
| 09:10.28 | raster | and standby is 100-500hrs |
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| 09:12.59 | beni | raster: ok, i think i am misunderstanding something. |
| 09:13.09 | beni | raster: What happens, if i dont use my neo? |
| 09:13.14 | beni | does it supend? |
| 09:13.19 | beni | what happens if i get a call? |
| 09:13.29 | beni | can i influence, if wifi is on or off? |
| 09:13.39 | peter_harrison | Depends on the the mode it is in. |
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| 09:14.08 | peter_harrison | If you leave it in the mode where it doesn't lock it should ring on calls. |
| 09:14.28 | beni | what modes does the eno have? |
| 09:14.32 | peter_harrison | However, currently the GTA01 will wake up but not ring when a call comes in. |
| 09:15.00 | peter_harrison | There are three modes; always on, dimming screen, and dimming + lock |
| 09:15.21 | peter_harrison | The locking one actually disactivates the processor until an event like a call comes in. |
| 09:15.44 | peter_harrison | - or you wake it up by pressing a button, |
| 09:16.38 | peter_harrison | I'm running the latest official build - I don't think the modes have changed since december. |
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| 09:33.00 | raster | peter_harrison: that'd be a bug if it doesnt ring |
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| 09:33.06 | raster | but the idea is that |
| 09:33.10 | raster | sleep as much as possibler |
| 09:33.16 | raster | thus get long better y life |
| 09:34.57 | peter_harrison | raster: okay, I'm just looking at uploading the feb 20 build. |
| 09:36.02 | peter_harrison | I've been using mine as a tracker today, have a gps app which sends data home where it is mapped. Also had a look at tango, and it looks good. |
| 09:36.34 | peter_harrison | battery life is a couple of hours with both gps and gprs going. |
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| 09:50.55 | _diego__ | peter_harrison, i'm using my neo as a tracker |
| 09:51.31 | _diego__ | and without gprs (i'm cursed by the bug of the beast #666), it lasts for 3-4 hour |
| 09:51.43 | ccfly | 666 bug ? |
| 09:51.52 | ccfly | I got that curse to I guess |
| 09:52.01 | _diego__ | yes there is a bug #666 |
| 09:52.03 | _diego__ | :) |
| 09:52.13 | ccfly | also 1192 |
| 09:52.21 | ccfly | related I guess |
| 09:53.00 | ccfly | I tried ppp over manual dial, ppp with numerous scripts, also 0710 muxd |
| 09:53.02 | ccfly | nothing |
| 09:53.47 | ccfly | It's funny because if I use cu and set hw flow control I can anything I ant with the modem |
| 09:53.57 | ccfly | I just can't get pppd to talk to it |
| 09:54.02 | ccfly | brb |
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| 10:03.12 | peter_harrison | ccfly: I have mine working. The gprs page failed to say that you had to turn of gsmd. |
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| 10:07.53 | emdete | peter_harrison: without a muxer that should be obvios, right? :D |
| 10:08.22 | ccfly | I did turn it off |
| 10:08.30 | ccfly | also tried with stty |
| 10:08.50 | ccfly | hell I even has stty setting hw flow control every second :) |
| 10:08.57 | ccfly | a bit desperate here :> |
| 10:09.01 | ccfly | had |
| 10:09.49 | emdete | ccfly: do a fuser on /dev/ttySAC0 - what does it say? |
| 10:12.13 | ccfly | nothing |
| 10:12.18 | ccfly | root@fic-gta01:~# fuser /dev/ttySAC0 |
| 10:12.18 | ccfly | root@fic-gta01:~# |
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| 10:12.54 | ccfly | otherwise I had it set to root dialup owner and uucp:uucp for cu |
| 10:12.57 | emdete | fine. so you are the only one. you followed the wiki for "manually using gprs" and that does not work, right? |
| 10:13.12 | ccfly | I can dial mobile operate through cu |
| 10:13.15 | ccfly | and that's about it |
| 10:13.34 | ccfly | when I try to run pppd it only broadcasts LCP |
| 10:13.41 | ccfly | and of course receives nothing |
| 10:15.00 | ccfly | gsm0710mux also fails to communicate with modem |
| 10:15.05 | emdete | ccfly: it connects after ATD*99...? |
| 10:15.08 | ccfly | yes |
| 10:15.32 | emdete | ccfly: stay with one problem please. with newer firmware of the modem the muxer is broken currently |
| 10:16.51 | ccfly | sorry |
| 10:16.55 | ccfly | ok |
| 10:17.19 | emdete | have you entered the right apn for your provider? |
| 10:17.24 | ccfly | yup |
| 10:18.14 | ccfly | I can try running it again and paste you detailed output on private ? |
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| 10:18.40 | Genesis | hello |
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| 10:19.13 | emdete | ccfly: shure |
| 10:19.25 | emdete | ccfly: better use a pastebin |
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| 10:23.59 | J-23 | Hello! |
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| 10:48.43 | zecke | Is Xglamo compiling for you? my renderproto.h wanted to get a #include <X11/X.h> added as it didn't know XID |
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| 11:00.08 | gamin | are the last nightly builds with working sound again? |
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| 11:35.17 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03werner * r4194 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta02-core.patch: |
| 11:35.17 | CIA-17 | openmoko: fix-glamofb-flicker-72hz-refresh.patch |
| 11:35.17 | CIA-17 | openmoko: From: Andy Green <andy@openmoko.com> |
| 11:35.17 | CIA-17 | openmoko: Move video timings from 60Hz to 72.5Hz by removing needless blanking pixels. |
| 11:35.18 | CIA-17 | openmoko: Also correct the video clock reported by X since Carsten said it showed |
| 11:35.21 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 50Hz refresh, presumably due to wrong PCLK data in the same struct. |
| 11:35.23 | CIA-17 | openmoko: Signed-off-by: Andy Green <andy@openmoko.com> |
| 11:37.06 | peter_harrison | the file system on media/card appears to be toast; how do I go about a reformat/fix? |
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| 11:40.09 | jku | peter_harrison, File Manager has "Tools->Format Memory Card" |
| 11:40.14 | jku | never tried it though |
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| 11:41.14 | CoreDump|afk | fsck or mkfs /dev/$whatever-the-devicefile-was, or |
| 11:41.35 | CoreDump|afk | s/, or// |
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| 11:43.52 | peter_harrison | thanks |
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| 12:07.19 | beni | is there an app for making GPS checkpoints on a map? that would be useful for mountaineering |
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| 12:15.13 | jku | beni, not sure what a GPS checkpoint is exactly but I imagine Maemomapper does what you want |
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| 12:41.31 | beni | jku: what i want is a map where i can mark custom points, so i may find the way back if i have only limited vision due to night/fog |
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| 12:43.25 | jku | beni: maemomapper should work: just tap-and-hold on a location on the map and select "Add Waypoint" |
| 12:44.00 | jku | or maybe the name of the *point was different... |
| 12:47.11 | beni | no, that should be sufficient thanks |
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| 14:03.59 | jku | crap, adviced beni earlier to "just use maemomapper" thinking I was in #maemo |
| 14:04.15 | jku | I'm a really helpful guy |
| 14:04.49 | nnpiggy | It's OK. Maybe we'll get a major integration in response to your advice :=) |
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| 14:14.28 | _diego__ | jku, navit is a promising apps for gps |
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| 14:14.48 | _diego__ | on openmoko ofc :) |
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| 14:38.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1264 has been created by thomas(AT)openedhand.com |
| 14:38.02 | cdbot2 | * * Two startup notification icons |
| 14:38.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1264 |
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| 14:42.41 | florian | hi raster_ |
| 14:43.42 | raster | grrr |
| 14:43.50 | raster | freenuts |
| 14:43.53 | raster | florian: hey |
| 14:43.53 | raster | :) |
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| 15:30.34 | wurp2|away | I don't see any sign on www.openmoko.com that FreeRunner exists. Shouldn't the 'buy now' page for the 1973 give a link to be notified when FreeRunner is available, and a link to specs for FreeRunner? |
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| 15:31.34 | wurp2|away | Wow, googling for "site:www.openmoko.com freerunner" finds no pages that actually say FreeRunner on them! |
| 15:32.19 | Qwell | wurp2: lots more on .org |
| 15:32.22 | bkruse | wurp2: Try the wiki |
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| 15:32.28 | bkruse | exactly |
| 15:32.36 | wurp2 | Yeah, I know it's on the wiki |
| 15:32.49 | wurp2 | Google doesn't find anything on .org either |
| 15:32.55 | wurp2 | www.openmoko.org, that is |
| 15:33.14 | wurp2 | My point is, someone trying to buy a Neo right now is probably just a lost customer |
| 15:33.48 | kdean06 | wurp2, That makes sense, since there's no release for the next product and there's no more of the previous product. :P |
| 15:33.50 | wurp2 | Unless they know someone who has one & is plugged into the community |
| 15:34.30 | wurp2 | It doesn't make sense to me... some people don't mind waiting a month to get a FreeRunner, but as it is there's no official sign that it exists |
| 15:34.38 | kdean06 | Freerunner isn't a product to FIC (or to me), it's a prototype. They're not going to advertise it... Talking about FreeRunner has already hurt them. |
| 15:34.39 | wurp2 | rather, that it will exist ;-) |
| 15:35.29 | kdean06 | We understand there are delays, bugs, tweaks... The rest of the world sees a company that promised a phone 8 months ago and failed to deliver. |
| 15:35.31 | wurp2 | By that same logic, they shouldn't have advertised the 1973 before it was available to buy |
| 15:35.42 | XorA | there is a FreeRunner on my desk in peices right now |
| 15:35.44 | wurp2 | I'm not suggesting that they should advertise more |
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| 15:36.14 | kdean06 | XorA, You're an OpenMoko employee or "affiliate", no? |
| 15:36.21 | XorA | employee |
| 15:36.22 | summatusmentis | kdean06: how often do people hear about products before they're available? |
| 15:36.24 | kdean06 | :) |
| 15:36.34 | wurp2 | I'm suggesting that they should let people interested enough to click through on the 'Buy now' link on the developer's phone know that the FreeRunner will be an option soonish |
| 15:37.05 | kdean06 | summatusmentis, There's a difference between hyping a product moving to the store and putting, on a sales page "Coming soon" when you don't have a release date. |
| 15:37.13 | wurp2 | and that the 1973 won't be an option (at least, that's how I understand it) |
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| 15:37.35 | summatusmentis | kdean06: how long was the iPhone known about before it was available? |
| 15:37.38 | kdean06 | If OM/FIC had a date set to release, I'd agree totally. |
| 15:37.59 | wurp2 | My understanding is that they are gearing up for mass production now |
| 15:38.03 | wurp2 | Maybe that is mistaken |
| 15:38.18 | XorA | that was my impression as well :-) |
| 15:38.20 | kdean06 | But as of now there's not even a set MONTH to "release"... And there's also the issue of multi-phase release... |
| 15:38.22 | summatusmentis | I think the only difference is that as it's supposed to be "open" people watching see everything, including the manufacturing mistakes, etc. |
| 15:38.43 | wurp2 | But even if they still have no idea of the release date, to give specs on the .com site and a link to request to be notified when it is available seems a no brainer |
| 15:38.44 | kdean06 | summatusmentis, No, I agree. I think OM/FIC did a stellar job in out circle. :) |
| 15:38.49 | summatusmentis | XorA: are they mass producing the 850Mhz version at the same thing? |
| 15:38.52 | Qwell | I'm gonna be phoneless while I wait for my freerunner :( |
| 15:39.17 | wurp2 | Qwell: Why not buy some cheap-ass gsm phone, then migrate the SIM when you get a FR? |
| 15:39.24 | kdean06 | But the "average" world doesn't get it. I know Free Software die-hards who think FreeRunner, as a consumer ready, mass market device, will be released in a month or so... |
| 15:39.25 | Qwell | I have a cheap gsm phone. |
| 15:39.29 | XorA | summatusmentis: no idea, I dont get to speak to the guys who do that stuff often |
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| 15:39.44 | wurp2 | kdean06: ack, those people aren't paying attention |
| 15:39.54 | wurp2 | Qwell: So you're not phoneless, just phone challenged |
| 15:40.01 | Qwell | wurp2: just the same |
| 15:40.09 | summatusmentis | XorA: what good as an insider are you? ;-) |
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| 15:40.32 | XorA | summatusmentis: I live 11 hours flight away from the office, so I probably get about a good a view as you guys |
| 15:40.38 | wurp2 | XorA: Could you 'lose' those freerunner pieces in a box that happens to be addressed to me? |
| 15:40.42 | kdean06 | wurp2, They may not be paying attention, but given that the goal of any business is to be profitable, you can't merely dismiss that as a developer dismisses the whims of a whiny wishlist bug report. |
| 15:40.54 | wurp2 | kdean06: true |
| 15:40.55 | summatusmentis | XorA: oh, that's fair I guess |
| 15:41.33 | wurp2 | When you're trying to produce a product, everything the consumer gets wrong is your fault, even if it's their fault :-/ |
| 15:41.33 | kdean06 | wurp2, I agree that there needs to be more communication about Freerunner (what it is, that it's coming) but I think the sales page is a bad place to do that. :P |
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| 15:42.14 | Qwell | so, dumb question, since I haven't tried an image in a while.. is it pretty usable as a phone these days? |
| 15:42.25 | wurp2 | Qwell: the 2/28 image is |
| 15:42.29 | kdean06 | Qwell, If you get the right image. ;) |
| 15:42.29 | XorA | its the problem with FreeRunners, they dont keep to know paths so tracking them is difficult :-) |
| 15:42.32 | wurp2 | Other images seem not to be |
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| 15:43.20 | wurp2 | s/images/recent images/ |
| 15:44.15 | summatusmentis | Qwell: I'm with you, I wish there more more status updates relating to the software |
| 15:44.42 | kdean06 | I've been slacking, but I'm working on that aspect. :P |
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| 15:45.25 | summatusmentis | kdean06: the software update aspect? |
| 15:45.35 | summatusmentis | or am I not following the conversation correctly? |
| 15:45.39 | kdean06 | The status of those updates, yes. |
| 15:45.50 | summatusmentis | I see |
| 15:46.01 | kdean06 | If I understood correctly what you're saying you'd like to see. |
| 15:46.57 | summatusmentis | I want to know what's going on on the software side of things, without needing to run qemu-1973 |
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| 15:47.41 | kdean06 | summatusmentis, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:SnapshotReview |
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| 15:49.18 | summatusmentis | kdean06: thanks! :-) does that mean the sound driver isn't working? or what's going on w/ sound? |
| 15:51.01 | kdean06 | I think the drivers are there... I think it's a different issue... |
| 15:51.25 | kdean06 | Today's image is worse. ;:( |
| 15:52.07 | XorA | kdean06: take a look at bug #1172 |
| 15:52.21 | Qwell | how is battery life looking in recent images? I know that was a big problem in the past |
| 15:52.51 | XorA | kdean06: is that anything like what you are seeing? I really hope the same bug doesnt now infect GTA01 as well |
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| 15:53.08 | kdean06 | XorA, The sound issue on GTA01bv4 isn't confined to dialer, there's no sound at ALL. Not the bootup sound, not in media player, not in dialer. |
| 15:53.36 | XorA | kdean06: nor is it on gta02 |
| 15:53.44 | kdean06 | Oh. |
| 15:54.02 | XorA | but occurs at random |
| 15:54.11 | XorA | and I cant see the bloody bug |
| 15:54.29 | kdean06 | Perhaps they're related, but different? |
| 15:54.40 | kdean06 | Is there any way I can confirm in software? |
| 15:54.41 | anrp | sound is overrated :o |
| 15:54.43 | anrp | sms ftw! |
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| 15:55.20 | XorA | kdean06: I think not, the software always gives the right values even when bug is happening |
| 15:55.22 | kdean06 | anrp, Today's image might be JUST for you then. :) SMS works. |
| 15:55.32 | anrp | what? |
| 15:55.36 | anrp | unpossible! |
| 15:55.39 | kdean06 | :P |
| 15:55.58 | kdean06 | Hrm... |
| 15:56.00 | kdean06 | Theory. :) |
| 15:56.02 | kdean06 | BRB |
| 15:56.15 | kdean06 | Holy hell... My Neo is HOT. |
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| 15:57.03 | XorA | kdean06: oh wait, I think I might know the gta01 problem |
| 15:57.15 | kdean06 | Issues with hald? :P |
| 15:57.21 | XorA | kdean06: can you ssh in and alsactrl -f /etc/stereoout.state restore |
| 15:57.29 | XorA | kdean06: and see if there is an error |
| 15:57.31 | kdean06 | Yeah, in a second. :) |
| 15:58.47 | kdean06 | Errr... I mean... 3 minutes, 21 seconds. |
| 15:59.58 | ScaredyCat | booting it ? :p |
| 16:00.36 | kdean06 | XorA, Unrelated topic, during the bootup phase there's a splash screen with progress bar. Once that bar loads, there's a second screen which is a static image that says "Please Wait...". Is that image "different" than the splash screen? I mean is there a passing from fb to X, for instance? Some reason why the splash would work but the "Please wait" should fail? |
| 16:01.01 | XorA | Please Wait is the root window of the X server |
| 16:01.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1265 has been created by graeme(AT)openmoko.org |
| 16:01.01 | cdbot2 | * * IRQ storm from PMU chip |
| 16:01.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1265 |
| 16:01.43 | kdean06 | I see... thanks, I know where to report the bug. :P |
| 16:01.48 | kdean06 | Or.. look for one. |
| 16:01.56 | kdean06 | ScaredyCat, Yeah, slow boot today. :( |
| 16:02.18 | kdean06 | XorA, alsctrl not found! :P |
| 16:02.30 | XorA | alsactl sorry |
| 16:02.32 | XorA | typo |
| 16:02.55 | kdean06 | "alsactl: Specify command..." |
| 16:03.25 | XorA | alsactl -f /etc/stereoout.state restore |
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| 16:03.50 | kdean06 | Geeze... I'm full off fail today. :) |
| 16:04.35 | kdean06 | XorA, http://rafb.net/p/gK8kaV84.html |
| 16:04.51 | XorA | kdean06: ahah, thats a simple fix |
| 16:05.20 | XorA | kdean06: I added an extra mixer to generic codec driver and that mixer is not detailed in our state files |
| 16:05.29 | XorA | kdean06: preventing them loading so you dont get sound |
| 16:05.56 | ScaredyCat | twice |
| 16:06.14 | ScaredyCat | bad XorA, naughty XorA - in your bed! |
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| 16:07.24 | ScaredyCat | fix it you slag |
| 16:07.56 | XorA | gah, Ill have to get my gta01 out of the bin |
| 16:08.15 | kdean06 | You guys are so cruel... |
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| 16:08.28 | ScaredyCat | XorA: what colour is your 01 |
| 16:08.45 | XorA | ScaredyCat: black n silver |
| 16:09.09 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
| 16:09.17 | XorA | ScaredyCat: I left my white and orange one at Wolfson |
| 16:09.30 | ScaredyCat | incl green |
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| 16:10.46 | ScaredyCat | only bs/orange/green |
| 16:10.46 | XorA | Sean had a red one at FOSDEM |
| 16:10.57 | XorA | and gta02 is black on black |
| 16:11.02 | idarwin | Hey, I want green too. Maybe time to build a reprap (see http://theories.darwinsys.com/2008/03/09/1205088000000.html or just www.reprap.org) |
| 16:11.02 | ScaredyCat | maybe it's a 'special' one |
| 16:11.18 | idarwin | Sean can probably get a special one if he wants :-) |
| 16:11.32 | XorA | although I do have a black/silver gta02 as well |
| 16:11.49 | XorA | well if Sean is short of cash he can auction his unique one :-) |
| 16:11.56 | ScaredyCat | XorA: I want the 01 in those colours... methinks the green 01 is hardest to find |
| 16:11.57 | Qwell | oh, hmm.. have the colors been chosen for freerunner? |
| 16:12.00 | summatusmentis | Sean == OpenMoko.god(); ? |
| 16:12.14 | Qwell | orange == win |
| 16:12.24 | idarwin | summatusmentis: yes. |
| 16:13.15 | kdean06 | XorA, Would the proper place to check for a bug in that "Please Wait" screen be Xfbdev,Xglamo section? |
| 16:13.23 | TRIsoft | Qwell: You'll get the FreeRunner in every color, as long as it's black |
| 16:13.36 | SpeedEvil | Hotblack. |
| 16:13.41 | Qwell | neon black? |
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| 16:14.03 | ScaredyCat | hole black |
| 16:14.04 | TRIsoft | Mine is "lightly used black" :) |
| 16:14.20 | kdean06 | I want to make a silver and blue case to match my car. :) |
| 16:14.21 | summatusmentis | meaning the paint has worn off? |
| 16:14.44 | Qwell | are there images of the freerunner anywhere? (I realize that it's very similar to the 1973) |
| 16:14.53 | TRIsoft | summatusmentis: No, was just joking. Even a week at CeBIT doesn't made any scratches |
| 16:14.59 | SpeedEvil | frontpage of wiki |
| 16:15.11 | summatusmentis | TRIsoft: lol, oh |
| 16:15.23 | Qwell | ahh, didn't realize that was the freerunner... well then |
| 16:15.23 | summatusmentis | how scratch resistant is the screen? |
| 16:15.33 | XorA | kdean06: what kind of bug? |
| 16:15.34 | ScaredyCat | un |
| 16:16.32 | TRIsoft | summatusmentis: Pretty well. But we're looking for some good protector sheets |
| 16:16.34 | kdean06 | Well... The "Please Wait" screen doesn't load anymore, and after it flashed to the console for that brief second is displays the grey X pattern you see with X --configure |
| 16:17.03 | XorA | kdean06: yeah noticed that myself, not sure where it went :-) |
| 16:17.41 | summatusmentis | TRIsoft: cool :_) |
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| 16:19.12 | kdean06 | Did you happen to file a bug? :P |
| 16:19.22 | kdean06 | I see nothing in that section. :) |
| 16:19.43 | XorA | kdean06: no, I didnt realise it was a bug until you just mentioned it |
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| 16:21.13 | maschro | is it possible to run ruby applications (fully fledged, with gui and using libraries for networking) on the openmoko platform? |
| 16:22.31 | SpeedEvil | Sure |
| 16:22.45 | SpeedEvil | \If you can fit it in 128M RAM |
| 16:23.00 | maschro | yes, that's obviously one thing to consider |
| 16:23.43 | wurp2 | maschro: It'll run any software that the hw supports and that someone ports :-) |
| 16:24.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1266 has been created by kevin(AT)foreverdean.info |
| 16:24.01 | cdbot2 | * * Xserver lags at startup, "Please Wait" splash does not display |
| 16:24.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1266 |
| 16:24.12 | wurp2 | maschro: A superficial search of the wiki seems to indicate that no one has ported ruby yet |
| 16:24.28 | maschro | i came to that conclusion as well |
| 16:25.05 | ScaredyCat | iirc it's on my buildhost |
| 16:25.06 | maschro | just saw c-toolchain instructions |
| 16:25.08 | wurp2 | kdean06: Did you notice that comment that the first boot after a flash is considerably slower than laater boots? |
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| 16:25.30 | kdean06 | On the mailing list? |
| 16:25.33 | wurp2 | I think so |
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| 16:25.45 | kdean06 | Yes, I did. I also noticed the responce that there was disagreement. :P |
| 16:26.00 | kdean06 | I can test that imperically, if you'd like. :) |
| 16:26.00 | wurp2 | I missed that one :-) |
| 16:26.07 | kdean06 | em* |
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| 16:26.49 | ScaredyCat | http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/packages/armv4t/ruby_1.8.5-r1_armv4t.ipk |
| 16:27.21 | ScaredyCat | dunno about gui n stff, I know nada about ruby, somone just asked if I would build it so I did |
| 16:27.30 | maschro | thanks |
| 16:27.32 | maschro | but... |
| 16:28.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1267 has been created by mail(AT)mmontour.net |
| 16:28.01 | XorA | first boot after a flash should be a lot slower |
| 16:28.01 | cdbot2 | * * Strong echo when calling a Neo from another phone |
| 16:28.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1267 |
| 16:28.15 | maschro | i am just in the stage of preliminary research, so how would i go about to use this? |
| 16:28.30 | maschro | i suspect i need the emulator |
| 16:28.40 | ScaredyCat | XorA: nice to see you updated those state files.... |
| 16:28.41 | ScaredyCat | .. oh wait, you haven't :P |
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| 16:29.04 | ScaredyCat | maschro: ipkg install 2that file...." |
| 16:29.19 | ScaredyCat | ok, please do.. |
| 16:29.20 | ScaredyCat | :P |
| 16:29.45 | ScaredyCat | but you also ned to make sure 01 continues to work... |
| 16:29.48 | ScaredyCat | need |
| 16:30.00 | ScaredyCat | esp. since you broke it ... |
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| 16:31.10 | ScaredyCat | maybe I should just blog the igo bt keyboard instead |
| 16:31.28 | kdean06 | Hrm... |
| 16:33.27 | maschro | thanks, i'll try to get the emulator running and test it |
| 16:33.29 | XorA | ScaredyCat: its a 5 minute job for anyone who can be bothered, save a state on phone, use meld to merge in the new control and renumber all controls after the new one, save file |
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| 16:36.01 | Qwell | yay for t-mobile. They're letting me return this POS Sidekick... |
| 16:36.21 | SpeedEvil | Sidekick? |
| 16:36.36 | Qwell | Slide |
| 16:36.45 | Qwell | it's...pretty terrible |
| 16:36.50 | SpeedEvil | phone? |
| 16:37.08 | Qwell | phone..esque |
| 16:37.20 | Qwell | sidekick == hiptop |
| 16:37.40 | SpeedEvil | ah |
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| 16:46.46 | anrp | danger, danger |
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| 16:48.47 | Qwell | unfortunately, Danger == MS now.. wish I would've known that before I bought it :) |
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| 16:50.36 | zedstar | i quite like the whole concept of the sidekick....cheap messenging tool for "yoofs" |
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| 16:51.17 | zedstar | from what i gather the hardware was shite in the latest slide though |
| 16:51.35 | Qwell | t-mobile had to recall them in Nov, because they would shut off if you closed the screen... |
| 16:52.27 | zedstar | i still think cheap messenger type non touch screen would be nice addition for openmoko family |
| 16:53.29 | Qwell | I don't know.. it seems touch screen is easy for text.. /me looks at bkruse and his 30wpm on his iPhone |
| 16:54.21 | zedstar | there are people who can do a rubix cube in like 0 seconds though also :) |
| 16:54.36 | zedstar | i still likes me qwerty me! |
| 16:54.51 | bkruse | Qwell: :D |
| 16:55.07 | bkruse | You just get used to it. I can type faster on my iPhone than my treo 650 now |
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| 16:56.27 | zedstar | not really played long enough with iphone.....owned a treo 650 and liked that keyboard |
| 16:57.14 | Qwell | though a non-touch screen would be significantly cheaper I would imagine |
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| 16:58.21 | zedstar | yeh i wonder now how that compares in current markets |
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| 17:09.29 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4195 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libbb/make_directory.c: |
| 17:09.29 | CIA-17 | openmoko: opkg/libbb: Patch from Esben Haabendal <esbenhaabendal gmail com> |
| 17:09.29 | CIA-17 | openmoko: Fix the usage of dirname() in libbb/make_directory.c, as it is not correct according to the standard specification for dirname. |
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| 17:15.32 | ahven | XorA: does ipkg update && ipkg upgrade update the whole system or is rootfs flashing still needed? |
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| 17:15.53 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 17:15.59 | ahven | that question still puzzles me |
| 17:16.15 | XorA | ahbritto: it should update the whole system |
| 17:16.21 | XorA | ahven: it should update the whole system |
| 17:16.30 | ahven | ok :) |
| 17:17.21 | XorA | ahven: if it doesnt file bugs |
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| 17:30.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1268 has been created by santiago.aguiar(AT)edantech.com |
| 17:30.02 | cdbot2 | * * Build fails because of glib & libogg dependencies |
| 17:30.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1268 |
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| 17:39.05 | ScaredyCat | kdean06: which was the last known good set of state files for you? |
| 17:39.20 | kdean06 | I don't know anything about the state files. :P |
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| 17:39.51 | kdean06 | The last image I KNOW had sound was 20 Feb 2008, though I hear 28 Feb 2008 worked too. |
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| 17:40.34 | kdean06 | I suppose I have time, I could trace it. :) |
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| 17:42.18 | wurp2 | I hope that's actually the 2/28 build I've been dropping on my neo, not the 2/20 ;-) |
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| 17:45.26 | wurp2 | Looking at my bash history, it does look as if 2/28 is the one I've been putting on there |
| 17:45.39 | wurp2 | and it works pretty well for me |
| 17:46.08 | wurp2 | Pretty well == sound is fine, boot sequence looks good, gps works, I can consistently make & receive calls |
| 17:46.14 | wurp2 | No love on suspend & resume |
| 17:46.40 | kdean06 | I'll track back. |
| 17:46.49 | wurp2 | and playing video works, but getting back to a state where you can use the Neo for anything else is iffy |
| 17:46.59 | kdean06 | wurp2, "Playing video"? |
| 17:47.20 | kdean06 | That doesn't work on any of the default images, are you hacking that? |
| 17:47.20 | wurp2 | Using media player on a ... I think it's an mpeg |
| 17:47.28 | wurp2 | I didn't do anything special |
| 17:47.33 | kdean06 | WTF... |
| 17:47.36 | wurp2 | lemme try it again really quickly |
| 17:47.38 | kdean06 | mpeg plays? |
| 17:47.41 | wurp2 | after I verify what type of file it is |
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| 17:48.16 | wurp2 | I have almost always been able to play video |
| 17:48.33 | wurp2 | there were some very early images that failed, and it has never recovered from it well |
| 17:48.35 | ScaredyCat | there are a lot more codecs now |
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| 17:49.11 | kdean06 | Theora has always filed for me. |
| 17:49.15 | kdean06 | failed* |
| 17:49.40 | kdean06 | I've mentioend that on EVERY review, and nobody thought that odd? :P |
| 17:49.40 | mjr | Theora isn't very cpu-friendly at least currently |
| 17:49.55 | wurp2 | hmm, extension is avi, but I think it's mpeg |
| 17:50.38 | ScaredyCat | mmmm... ny state files from 28th are no good :( |
| 17:50.40 | ScaredyCat | my |
| 17:52.07 | ScaredyCat | the other was the 20th ? |
| 17:52.44 | wurp2 | Looks as if I used xvid4 |
| 17:53.01 | wurp2 | Oh, I probably copy over they gsmhandset.state |
| 17:53.07 | wurp2 | So I may not be a good test subject :-( |
| 17:53.26 | wurp2 | I have an initialization script that I always run, which includes fixing the echo |
| 17:54.51 | wurp2 | kdean06: I have a script that uses transcode to turn a video from arbitrary format to one the neo will play |
| 17:55.16 | wurp2 | Sorry, I lied: not xvid4, ffmpeg for video & ogg for audio |
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| 17:55.40 | mjr | ffmpeg isn't a codec though :] |
| 17:55.45 | wurp2 | true |
| 17:55.56 | wurp2 | but it's what I tell transcode to get it to do the right thing |
| 17:56.02 | wurp2 | which I believe is mpeg2 |
| 17:56.09 | kdean06 | wurp2, If you have a fix perhaps it should be mentioned -> http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1267 |
| 17:56.10 | mjr | I'd guess 4 |
| 17:56.19 | wurp2 | agh, mpeg1 |
| 17:56.24 | wurp2 | eventually I'll get it right |
| 17:56.28 | mjr | okay, well, at least that's light :] |
| 17:56.51 | mjr | quality doesn't really matter much on the small screen |
| 17:57.19 | mjr | incidentally, though, does the media player switch resolutions? |
| 17:57.28 | wurp2 | kdean06: All I'm doing is the old echo fix |
| 17:57.39 | wurp2 | kdean06: Turning down the bypass volume all the way |
| 17:57.51 | wurp2 | mjr: Yes, unfortunately, it does ;-) |
| 17:57.52 | ScaredyCat | so has anyone got a working set of state files? |
| 17:58.05 | mjr | wurp2, ...mmkay :] |
| 17:58.18 | wurp2 | I don't have network access to my neo right now :-( |
| 17:58.31 | wurp2 | mjr: What it doesn't do is switch *back* when you shut down mplayer |
| 17:58.53 | wurp2 | or at least, not consistently |
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| 17:59.52 | kdean06 | So it's not fixing the echo the other caller heard? |
| 18:00.00 | kdean06 | You're turning down the feedback, not the echo? |
| 18:00.07 | wurp2 | I dunno... it fixed that echo before |
| 18:00.15 | wurp2 | It's the fix from TonyGarnockJones |
| 18:00.26 | kdean06 | wurp2, That's not the same issue. |
| 18:00.30 | wurp2 | I haven't asked about the echo recently, but no one has mentioned it to me |
| 18:00.52 | kdean06 | wurp2, The recent images have applied Tony's fix, or at least done something with the same affect. |
| 18:01.01 | kdean06 | But there's still an echo the other caller hears. |
| 18:01.16 | wurp2 | It must not be nearly as bad... |
| 18:01.27 | wurp2 | Because before, the only echo I heard was on the non-neo phone |
| 18:01.41 | wurp2 | And with Tony's fix, I couldn't hear any significant echo on the non-neo phone |
| 18:01.47 | kdean06 | Every time you post I get more confused. :P) |
| 18:01.52 | wurp2 | awesome |
| 18:02.23 | wurp2 | Does anyone know how to validate for sure the version of jffs you flashed? |
| 18:02.23 | kdean06 | In my experience, Tony's fix didn't affect the echo to other callers at all, it ONLY made my handset more clear by eliminating the feedback. |
| 18:02.43 | kdean06 | And the echo is bad enough that everyone comments on it, unless they're trained not to (i.e. call centers) |
| 18:04.42 | wurp2 | OK, I just called my neo, and when I talk into the other phone, I can hear a *very* faint echo |
| 18:04.56 | mmontour | I could still hear an echo on the other end when I tested last night. I think it has improved a bit in the current images, but it's really hard to quantify this without access to proper test equipment |
| 18:05.03 | wurp2 | The gsmhandset.state I use is just the one from a release long ago, with TGJ's fix applied |
| 18:05.10 | ScaredyCat | well, I can't find a single working state file |
| 18:07.37 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: Wanna pm me your email address, and I'll email you the file I've been using? |
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| 18:08.01 | wurp2 | I dunno if it qualifies as working, except that I can definitely make & receive calls without bad echo issues |
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| 18:10.24 | TRIsoft | Anybody experienced this: Open the terminal, set the date - Neo shuts down and won't power back on ? |
| 18:12.15 | wurp2 | http://static.frimp.net/neo/gsmhandset.state |
| 18:12.30 | wurp2 | I emailed it too, but I thought others could tell me exactly how I'm full of crap on this :-) |
| 18:12.53 | kdean06 | wurp2, Challenge accepted! |
| 18:12.54 | kdean06 | :P |
| 18:12.55 | ScaredyCat | that fails too |
| 18:13.25 | wurp2 | With what kernel/jffs? |
| 18:13.35 | kdean06 | ScaredyCat, Are you testing to see if the sound issues are statefile related or if perhaps the "no sound on GTA02" bug didn't migrate to o1? |
| 18:13.45 | kdean06 | 01* |
| 18:14.11 | ScaredyCat | iicr it's a couple of days ago wurp2 |
| 18:14.23 | wurp2 | Ah, I haven't used any of those builds :-) |
| 18:14.31 | ScaredyCat | kdean06: I'm just trying to resore from the file atm |
| 18:14.37 | ScaredyCat | restore |
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| 18:14.54 | Bish | hey guyse |
| 18:15.41 | Genesis | hey Bish |
| 18:16.58 | mmontour | On the audio topic, there are 3 issues: echo, 'buzz' from the GSM radio, and a local feedback loop if the speaker volume is turned up too high (which can be fixed by turning off sidetone in the GSM modem) |
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| 18:18.11 | mmontour | When testing to see if a particular state file fixes these problems, it's important to also check that normal operation still works, i.e. the volume is high enough that the people can still easily hear each other speak. |
| 18:18.27 | kdean06 | mmontour, True. :) I seldom think about the GSM buzz, since a LOT of "mainstream" phones have it too... I'm not sure that it can be prevented shy of software-based noise cancellation. |
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| 18:19.30 | mmontour | I agree about the buzz. My regular phone is CDMA so I'm not used to it, but I do hear a similar buzz when my girlfriend calls with a Razr phone. |
| 18:19.54 | kdean06 | Yeah... I'm thinking of a RAZR based one myself. :P |
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| 18:20.13 | kdean06 | My wife's W410 (I think) does that too, and her Gutsy system identifies it as a RAZR v3m |
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| 18:35.33 | kdean06 | Geeze... |
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| 18:38.19 | Genesis | a+ |
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| 19:18.39 | wurp2 | kdean06: You said earlier that your neo was hot |
| 19:18.56 | wurp2 | kdean06: Do you have gps on? Mine seems to get much hotter w/ GPS on |
| 19:19.26 | wurp2 | Or it may just be that I have a lot of stuff in memory, and it's swapping or otherwise shoving stuff across the bus and heating up because of that |
| 19:19.32 | kdean06 | no |
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| 19:22.55 | XorA|gone | hmm, I wonder how high my neo stack will grow |
| 19:23.49 | Qwell | XorA|gone: should be an easy fix. I can mail you a self-addressed postage paid box...or three. ;) |
| 19:24.44 | XorA|gone | Qwell: want the non working or the really non working ones :-) |
| 19:25.03 | Qwell | put em' all in there |
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| 20:06.39 | ScaredyCat | ... |
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| 20:10.32 | ScaredyCat | not that I mind of course |
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| 20:11.58 | SpeedEvil | gaping hole? |
| 20:12.12 | ScaredyCat | yeah.,, |
| 20:12.36 | ScaredyCat | unde linux |
| 20:12.40 | ScaredyCat | under |
| 20:12.45 | SpeedEvil | the streaming version you mean? |
| 20:12.59 | ScaredyCat | yah.. mp4 |
| 20:13.20 | SpeedEvil | you mean that you can save the low quality flash stream? |
| 20:13.21 | ScaredyCat | supposed to be for iphone users.... |
| 20:13.26 | ScaredyCat | no no |
| 20:13.27 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 20:13.37 | ScaredyCat | you can direct dwonload the mp4 |
| 20:13.49 | ScaredyCat | install user agent switcher |
| 20:14.29 | ScaredyCat | set user agent to : Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/1A543a Safari/419.3 |
| 20:14.46 | SpeedEvil | Fun |
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| 20:15.17 | ScaredyCat | create a bookmark in ff |
| 20:15.17 | ScaredyCat | paste this in |
| 20:15.17 | ScaredyCat | javascript:(function(){url = document.getElementById('mip-flash-player').getElementsByTagName("object")[0].childNodes[0].value; window.location = url;})() |
| 20:15.26 | ScaredyCat | then you just go to the iplayr page of the program you want.... |
| 20:15.35 | ScaredyCat | and select the bookmark |
| 20:15.45 | ScaredyCat | download begins... |
| 20:15.54 | SpeedEvil | fun |
| 20:15.56 | ScaredyCat | though you'd probably want to rename it |
| 20:17.04 | ScaredyCat | shame my connection here sucks :( |
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| 20:18.10 | ScaredyCat | but at least I can save them and watch them later tonight, since there's bugger all on tv again tonight |
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| 20:18.53 | SpeedEvil | It's largely irrelevant in real life. |
| 20:19.22 | ScaredyCat | what is? |
| 20:19.25 | ScaredyCat | cheese? |
| 20:19.37 | SpeedEvil | DRM |
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| 20:19.49 | SpeedEvil | As the programs are widely available on P2P networks. |
| 20:19.56 | ScaredyCat | well, I can't watch the flash streams, my connection here is really bad.. |
| 20:20.30 | ScaredyCat | tried to watch somehting the other day, 30 second wait 5 second playback, 30 second wait... etc |
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| 20:21.18 | ScaredyCat | I'd rather the bbc didn't use drm too... but I think they'll just fix this issue |
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| 20:22.02 | ScaredyCat | I suspect some senior management knob head in the bbc with an iphone insisted that they make it work, and make it work now! |
| 20:22.51 | ScaredyCat | so they did what they could in the 10 minutes he gave them |
| 20:23.08 | ScaredyCat | :) |
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| 20:34.45 | ScaredyCat | wtf is control 52? |
| 20:36.07 | XorA|gone | ScaredyCat: ROUT Phase |
| 20:36.45 | XorA|gone | ScaredyCat: save a blank file from your phone with the updated kernel, merge control 52 in at position 52, make the old 52=53 53=54 for the whole rest of file |
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| 20:40.46 | ScaredyCat | are you serious? |
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| 20:46.38 | ScaredyCat | no, plain test... |
| 20:46.44 | ScaredyCat | but files for alsactl |
| 20:46.52 | ScaredyCat | (audio config) |
| 20:47.12 | ScaredyCat | text not test |
| 20:50.00 | ScaredyCat | what is ROUT2 and is it important... alsactl doesn;t like it whereever it is |
| 20:50.32 | XorA|gone | ScaredyCat: its a codec control that was missing, needed for GTA0 |
| 20:50.33 | XorA|gone | ScaredyCat: its a codec control that was missing, needed for GTA02 |
| 20:50.54 | XorA|gone | ScaredyCat: alsa matches both name and number, so adding an extra control fucks things |
| 20:51.21 | XorA|gone | ScaredyCat: fixing the files is as easy as inserting the missing control in the old files, then renumbering the controls after 53 |
| 20:51.25 | XorA|gone | 52 |
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| 20:51.52 | ScaredyCat | so I need to replace 52 not merge it? |
| 20:52.09 | ScaredyCat | 52 was that ROUT2 ... if it's in the file alsactl complains |
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| 20:54.14 | ScaredyCat | XorA|gone: http://pastebin.ca/940234 |
| 20:54.56 | XorA|gone | thats the old .state file, make a new one on your neo |
| 20:55.13 | ScaredyCat | I did.. |
| 20:55.20 | XorA|gone | look at control 52 |
| 20:55.51 | ScaredyCat | # alsactl -f ./cheese.state store |
| 20:55.55 | XorA|gone | yup |
| 20:56.13 | ScaredyCat | that has the ROUT2 in it.. |
| 20:56.51 | XorA|gone | ScaredyCat: to put the control 52 in the new file, before the one you just posted, then renumber the one you posted to 53 and continue for all controls |
| 20:57.44 | ScaredyCat | crap I need a drink... |
| 20:57.51 | kdean06 | :p |
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| 20:57.55 | ScaredyCat | my brain must be fried |
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| 20:58.36 | kdean06 | I know what he's saying, and I'll do it and diff it when I have a moment, but I'm SURE there's a better way to describe that. :P |
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| 21:03.28 | ScaredyCat | XorA|gone: I still get the same error.. even when 52 isnt the fecking ROUT2 |
| 21:03.49 | XorA|gone | ScaredyCat: 52 should be the ROUT2 Phase |
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| 21:04.30 | kdean06 | XorA|gone, Do you know exactly when your change entered the codebase? |
| 21:04.38 | ScaredyCat | I'm going to get you while you sleep XorA|gone ;) |
| 21:05.01 | XorA|gone | kdean06: no, but svn will tell you |
| 21:05.33 | kdean06 | XorA|gone, The 28 Feb 2008 image is the last one on buildhost that includes sound for a GTA01. :P |
| 21:05.47 | kdean06 | If that corresponds, there's the issue. :P |
| 21:05.58 | kdean06 | I've just flashed them all. :( |
| 21:06.00 | kdean06 | lol |
| 21:06.09 | XorA|gone | sounds about right |
| 21:06.28 | kdean06 | Okay, I'm going BACK to today's image to assemble me some .state files. :P |
| 21:06.49 | ScaredyCat | alsactl: set_control:989: warning: name mismatch (Mic Selection Mux/Rx Mixer) for control #54 |
| 21:06.49 | ScaredyCat | alsactl: set_control:991: warning: index mismatch (0/0) for control #54 |
| 21:06.49 | ScaredyCat | alsactl: set_control:993: failed to obtain info for control #54 (Input/output error) |
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| 21:08.50 | ScaredyCat | 52 IS the fecking ROUT2 |
| 21:09.23 | XorA|gone | ScaredyCat: look at the gta02 .state files |
| 21:09.28 | XorA|gone | ScaredyCat: use something like meld |
| 21:09.32 | XorA|gone | ScaredyCat: you will see |
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| 21:11.07 | mmontour | for i in `seq 94 -1 52` ; do sed -i -e "s/control.$i/control.$(( $i + 1 ))/" g.state ; done |
| 21:11.38 | kdean06 | :D |
| 21:12.02 | mmontour | seems to work for renumbering the existing controls, then I manually pasted in "control.52". alsactl loads the result without errors but I haven't tested anything else. |
| 21:12.13 | ScaredyCat | ok, that's what I got when is stored from the gta01 |
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| 21:12.46 | Tial | salute |
| 21:13.00 | XorA|gone | mmontour: sweet |
| 21:13.10 | XorA|gone | mmontour: I wish I had done that, I did them by hand for gta02 |
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| 21:13.43 | XorA|gone | anyway I is off |
| 21:14.08 | ScaredyCat | WTF is control 52 supposed to be ffs |
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| 21:15.41 | ScaredyCat | [2008-03-12 21:02:53] <XorA|gone> ScaredyCat: 52 should be the ROUT2 Phase |
| 21:16.35 | ScaredyCat | are 52 and 53 just dupes? |
| 21:17.16 | kdean06 | So I'm looking at this and wondering "So... that's the issue... When will the images be fixed?: P |
| 21:17.32 | kdean06 | Though I suppose confirming that being the issue is important. |
| 21:18.23 | ScaredyCat | what is meld? |
| 21:18.40 | mwester-trip | GUI diff/merge utility |
| 21:18.47 | ScaredyCat | oh... |
| 21:20.41 | kdean06 | Okay, I don't understand WTF he was talking about... I assumed it meant the ordering was of place due to one-off and needed to be compensated for, but this isn't one-off. |
| 21:21.10 | ScaredyCat | I *know* |
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| 21:21.13 | ScaredyCat | that's WTF I kept saying |
| 21:21.42 | kdean06 | :9 |
| 21:21.49 | kdean06 | No puppies around? I quite like kittens. |
| 21:22.15 | kdean06 | ScaredyCat, Which .state file are you editing right now? |
| 21:22.42 | ScaredyCat | I dumped one with : alsactl -f ./this.state store |
| 21:22.53 | ScaredyCat | creates this.state |
| 21:23.02 | kdean06 | Ah |
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| 21:29.36 | kdean06 | Simple enough bug. :P |
| 21:30.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1269 has been created by kevin(AT)foreverdean.info |
| 21:30.02 | cdbot2 | * * No Audio |
| 21:30.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1269 |
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| 21:31.38 | ScaredyCat | I still have no idea wtf 52 is supposed to be,,,,, |
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| 21:45.46 | XorA|gone | ScaredyCat: I posted the correct #52 here |
| 21:46.12 | XorA|gone | ScaredyCat: followed by the correct #53 which is the old #52 |
| 21:46.22 | ScaredyCat | but that;s what I had |
| 21:47.02 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:47.46 | XorA|gone | thats the new control I added |
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| 21:48.33 | ScaredyCat | is what I have |
| 21:48.37 | ScaredyCat | which seems to be what you are telling me it should be |
| 21:48.41 | ScaredyCat | no |
| 21:48.42 | ScaredyCat | that's from a store |
| 21:48.42 | ScaredyCat | it;s unedited |
| 21:49.21 | _diego__ | what does it happen to the old good pastbin? ^^ |
| 21:51.32 | kdean06 | Angry hackers make long pastes. |
| 21:51.49 | ScaredyCat | not angry, frustrated.. |
| 21:56.26 | kdean06 | There's nightly ones, they'd save you time. :) |
| 21:56.27 | ScaredyCat | you can have one of mine |
| 21:56.36 | ScaredyCat | http://buildhost.automated.it/ |
| 21:56.48 | ScaredyCat | OM2007.2 dir |
| 21:57.23 | kdean06 | Rootfs -> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080312-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 kernel -> http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/uImage-2.6.24+svnr4184-r4165-r3-neo1973.bin |
| 21:57.24 | kdean06 | :D |
| 21:57.27 | XorA|gone | their not as cool as mine :-) |
| 21:58.15 | kdean06 | No, it seems not, since they don't have sound. |
| 21:59.02 | pjz | somehow I think sounds is probably going to be important, given it's a phone and all |
| 22:00.38 | ScaredyCat | that would be "they're" XorA|gone ...not "their" |
| 22:02.00 | XorA|gone | so my english teacher was crap :-) |
| 22:02.09 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 22:02.30 | ScaredyCat | well, tbh - we don't really want to wait the 12 hours it's gonna take for you to build |
| 22:02.35 | ScaredyCat | so take ours |
| 22:03.01 | ScaredyCat | pretty please |
| 22:03.36 | XorA|gone | almost finished |
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| 22:07.19 | kdean06 | :p |
| 22:07.30 | kdean06 | XorA|gone, WTF are you building on? |
| 22:07.36 | ScaredyCat | sand |
| 22:07.52 | XorA|gone | kdean06: I already have gta02 build so only 5 packages are different |
| 22:07.58 | kdean06 | Oh. |
| 22:08.06 | kdean06 | I was gonna say... |
| 22:08.16 | XorA|gone | kdean06: otherwise its about 2 hours |
| 22:08.34 | kdean06 | I always do my builds and then go to bed. :) |
| 22:08.48 | kdean06 | Though I've pretty much stopped rolling my own. |
| 22:09.05 | ScaredyCat | I do mine in the bath |
| 22:11.36 | xcasex | ScaredyCat: seeing as you're an active hacker |
| 22:11.52 | xcasex | ScaredyCat: what's the status of backports from the gta02 to 01 ? :D |
| 22:11.56 | ScaredyCat | I'm not very active, I like my food |
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| 22:13.46 | xcasex | ScaredyCat: oh its like that huh |
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| 22:14.00 | ScaredyCat | after the day I've had... |
| 22:14.00 | XorA|gone | ok done fixing state files, lets see if they work |
| 22:14.30 | ScaredyCat | or a big gin and tonic |
| 22:17.07 | kdean06 | If they work, I want. :) |
| 22:18.03 | ScaredyCat | if they work, commit! |
| 22:20.47 | XorA|gone | if they work I shall go to the grave keeping the secret of their production |
| 22:21.09 | ScaredyCat | you won't have to keep te secret very long then |
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| 22:26.10 | xcasex | mwester-trip: *sends resumé* |
| 22:26.39 | mwester-trip | I didn't even take my neo on this trip. The last rootfs rendered it useless, and I've become accustomed to having it working somewhat, at least. |
| 22:26.59 | mwester-trip | Does matchbox start on the current rootfs again? |
| 22:27.13 | XorA|gone | mmontour: you are a genius |
| 22:27.36 | mwester-trip | Don't tell me everyone is ssh'ing into the neo to make calls... |
| 22:28.29 | mmontour | XorA|gone: if you're referring to the sed thing, it's more 'lazy' than 'genius' :) |
| 22:29.02 | XorA|gone | mmontour: it saved me hours |
| 22:29.46 | kdean06 | XorA|gone, So did it work? |
| 22:29.55 | XorA|gone | kdean06: yup |
| 22:29.58 | kdean06 | I mean sound, not the sed thing. |
| 22:30.50 | kdean06 | So what do I need to do to get working sound on today's image? :P |
| 22:31.07 | XorA|gone | kdean06: do you check out OE.dev or OM svn? |
| 22:31.29 | kdean06 | Neither. :) I flash daily from the buildhost nightly. Saves me work. :) |
| 22:31.52 | XorA|gone | well new files just got pushed to OE.dev |
| 22:31.59 | kdean06 | Oh, good. |
| 22:32.10 | kdean06 | If it's committed, I'm happy enough. |
| 22:32.14 | XorA|gone | and now for OM svn |
| 22:32.16 | kdean06 | I should see it tomorrow. |
| 22:32.39 | kdean06 | I don't have to re-sexifiy my Neo then. :) |
| 22:33.14 | XorA|gone | kdean06: it will be 2 days before you see it |
| 22:33.15 | mwester-trip | tmi! |
| 22:33.53 | kdean06 | XorA|gone, Why two? |
| 22:34.20 | XorA|gone | kdean06: tomorrow john will sync OE.dev to OM and then buildhost will make new images |
| 22:34.52 | kdean06 | Ah. |
| 22:35.02 | kdean06 | I didn't realize there was a day's delay. Fair enough. |
| 22:35.32 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03graeme * r4196 10/trunk/src/target/audio/fic-gta01/ (11 files): New audio state files with control 52 ROUT2 Phase fix |
| 22:35.40 | XorA|gone | and thats the svn copy |
| 22:35.56 | XorA|gone | you can just put those files in /etc and image will work |
| 22:37.56 | XorA|gone | ScaredyCat: take a look at the diffs, then you will finally see what I meant |
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| 22:42.23 | XorA|gone | kdean06: closed yah bug :-) |
| 22:42.31 | kdean06 | Good! |
| 22:42.31 | kdean06 | :D |
| 22:42.42 | XorA|gone | see thats quick service for yah |
| 22:42.46 | CVirus | wtf .. the police raided cebit |
| 22:42.54 | zash | lol |
| 22:42.56 | kdean06 | XorA|gone, Do you have full commit access? I've got one that's been open for a while that only requires two charaters. :P |
| 22:43.05 | XorA|gone | kdean06: I do |
| 22:43.05 | ScaredyCat | quick?! |
| 22:43.20 | XorA|gone | ScaredyCat: kdean06 didnt keep poking me in head and distracting me |
| 22:43.37 | ScaredyCat | I only poked you in the head twice... |
| 22:43.50 | kdean06 | XorA|gone, http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1214 |
| 22:43.52 | kdean06 | :0 |
| 22:43.54 | ScaredyCat | although the 2nd time it was with a basball bat |
| 22:43.57 | kdean06 | That bugs me to NO end. :P |
| 22:44.03 | kdean06 | And it's just a typo! |
| 22:44.04 | kdean06 | :P |
| 22:44.35 | ScaredyCat | lo |
| 22:44.35 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 22:44.37 | ScaredyCat | typo that says "Bluetooh" ratehr than "Bluetooth". |
| 22:44.43 | ScaredyCat | ratehr! |
| 22:44.59 | kdean06 | I know. |
| 22:45.08 | zash | BLAAATAND |
| 22:45.52 | CIA-17 | openmoko: 03graeme * r4197 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-bt/src/openmoko-panel-bt.c: fix typo, Bluetooh -> Bluetooth thanks to kevin@foreverdean.info |
| 22:46.05 | kdean06 | YES! Finally! |
| 22:46.07 | kdean06 | Thank you! |
| 22:46.21 | ScaredyCat | typo abouthurrah, audio works! |
| 22:46.30 | ScaredyCat | now, what's my number |
| 22:47.09 | XorA|gone | kdean06: and closed the bug :-) |
| 22:47.34 | kdean06 | Much thanks. :) |
| 22:48.10 | XorA|gone | now I think its time to go read Liber Chaotica |
| 22:48.30 | ScaredyCat | wat's the AT cmd to get my number |
| 22:49.26 | XorA|gone | network dependant I think |
| 22:50.09 | ScaredyCat | CNUM |
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| 22:59.31 | ScaredyCat | thanks XorA|gone ... must sleep now.. |
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| 23:02.04 | ScaredyCat | I'll go throught the diff in the morening |
| 23:02.09 | ScaredyCat | morning |
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| 23:40.48 | Qwell | You guys seen an error like: qemu: fatal: Trying to execute code outside RAM or ROM at 0x00000000, when trying to run the qemu image? Used MokoMakefile |
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