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| 00:45.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1261 has been created by an.den.Strahler(AT)gmx.de |
| 00:45.01 | cdbot2 | * * munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0x40c984d4 - Can not launch the OpenMoko GUI |
| 00:45.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1261 |
| 00:46.55 | cbox | Hello. I'm a supposed-to-be an investor and supposed-to-be a ragionel seller of OpenMoko. Is thatara anyone who can talk to me in brief here in this room? |
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| 00:59.59 | deniz_ogut | Hi.Is there anybody to whom I can talk about investment issues? |
| 01:00.36 | deniz_ogut | related with OpenMoke, for sure. |
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| 02:20.00 | daMaestro | anyone gotten voip running? |
| 02:23.39 | daMaestro | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Snapshot_review/2008-02-20 <-- that is good news |
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| 06:02.26 | ccfly | good morning |
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| 08:00.35 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:42.23 | TRIsoft | morning |
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| 09:24.34 | ScaredyCat | !ombug 1248 |
| 09:24.36 | cdbot2 | * * Bug 1248, Status: RESOLVED (FIXED), Created: Unknown |
| 09:24.36 | cdbot2 | * * will(AT)openmoko.com: Network connection alert is unstable |
| 09:24.37 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1248 |
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| 11:30.36 | ahven | hehe, good quote - "This list is full of weird people" - "We paid $300 for a phone we knew wouldn't work right, I think we're all a bit weird." |
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| 11:33.51 | CoreDump | =) |
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| 13:18.41 | xkr47 | lol |
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| 14:12.49 | fatal- | eh.. does anybody have any idea how to put the neo1973 into qvga mode? I've been playing around a bit but the instructions present on the wiki do not really work |
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| 14:31.01 | uriahhee1 | hey, does anyone know whether an official firebug update for FF3 is coming soon? |
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| 15:20.53 | wirrwarr | hey~ |
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| 15:44.02 | mne | are there any experts here? Is it hard to set up an testenvironment on a debian box? |
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| 15:44.43 | morphir | hi |
| 15:44.45 | mne | I wish to see the GUI in a nested Xserver |
| 15:45.29 | morphir | are there anyone here with a openmoko that would be interested in increasing the boot up time? |
| 15:47.03 | Sup3rkiddo | increasing or decreasing?:) |
| 15:47.52 | morphir | haha! |
| 15:47.59 | morphir | that came out all wrong |
| 15:48.26 | morphir | decreasing of course - increasing your e-penis |
| 15:49.34 | Sup3rkiddo | heh |
| 15:51.02 | morphir | Sup3rkiddo, there is a project called einit |
| 15:51.16 | morphir | that is a replacement for sysvinit |
| 15:51.56 | morphir | I have heard that bootup time on the openmoko is quite long |
| 15:52.35 | morphir | so if anyone is interested in attacking the issue, you are welcome to join #einit |
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| 15:53.33 | morphir | you can learn more about it at einit.org |
| 15:53.55 | morphir | and it's designed with embedded devices in mind |
| 15:54.55 | morphir | the problem is that none of us at einit owns a openmoko |
| 15:55.35 | anrp | xml! core! arch! scheme! |
| 15:55.36 | anrp | BINGO! |
| 15:56.13 | anrp | ... sorry, thats the first thing i thought of when i saw xml D: |
| 15:56.33 | Sup3rkiddo | you forgot .net, |
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| 16:00.37 | wurp2 | anrp: Are arch and scheme buzzwords? |
| 16:00.51 | anrp | they might be :o |
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| 16:01.38 | wurp2 | The seem like they would appeal to a small subset of uber-technically oriented people |
| 16:01.38 | anrp | ... but D: |
| 16:02.47 | ScaredyCat | bungholio! |
| 16:03.31 | wurp2 | I regret to say that I really dunno what /sbin/init does |
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| 16:03.53 | SpeedEvil | It starts up the system |
| 16:04.05 | SpeedEvil | it's what the kernel calls to kick off the boot process |
| 16:04.18 | wurp2 | Yeah, I see that |
| 16:04.27 | anrp | http://www.nctexasbirds.com/images/hot_news.jpg < wow |
| 16:04.29 | wurp2 | but what does it *do* |
| 16:05.00 | SpeedEvil | It (traditionally) parses /etc/inittab and does stuff based on the contents of that file. Runlevels and such |
| 16:05.03 | anrp | runs /etc/rcS.d/K* in order, then /etc/rcS.d/S* in order, then switches runlevels and does it all again for /etc/rc2.d |
| 16:05.11 | anrp | on debian, anyway |
| 16:05.18 | anrp | minor details change on different dists |
| 16:05.31 | anrp | also runs getty |
| 16:05.35 | wurp2 | Hmm, I don't really see how einit can make init faster, then... |
| 16:05.40 | SpeedEvil | Starting up stuff connected to ttys, and shutting it down when runlevels change and that indicates it. |
| 16:05.44 | wurp2 | if all it does is call the run scripts in order |
| 16:05.46 | anrp | the /etc/rc* scripts are serialized |
| 16:05.51 | anrp | they could be in parallel |
| 16:06.08 | wurp2 | Well, the ones with the same #s could be parallel |
| 16:06.23 | wurp2 | if it starts parallelizing ones with different numbers, bad things are likely to happen |
| 16:06.30 | wurp2 | or, more likely, good things are unlikely to happen |
| 16:06.34 | ScaredyCat | methinks moo |
| 16:06.39 | ScaredyCat | errm |
| 16:06.41 | anrp | if you put some thought into it, it ought to make it better |
| 16:06.49 | anrp | i.e. all network services can be started at once |
| 16:06.52 | anrp | for instance |
| 16:06.58 | wurp2 | They say on their site that they're after reducing cpu cycles |
| 16:07.11 | anrp | thats entirely possible, the overhead of sh is non-zero |
| 16:07.17 | wurp2 | it seems init should be really low on cpu that it actually uses itself |
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| 16:07.20 | wurp2 | ah, I see |
| 16:07.51 | wurp2 | but... then it seems your project would be to implement a faster version of sh, perhaps that could be called as a lib instead of a sub-process |
| 16:07.52 | SpeedEvil | Even correctly written scripts could do it. |
| 16:08.04 | anrp | i think thats effectively what's happening |
| 16:08.08 | SpeedEvil | I.E. reimplement much of init in sh |
| 16:08.16 | SpeedEvil | script |
| 16:09.29 | morphir | wurp2, http://einit.org/node/116 |
| 16:09.38 | wurp2 | morphir: thx |
| 16:09.52 | wurp2 | no video for me; I'm at work |
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| 16:10.08 | ScaredyCat | einit, for northern folk |
| 16:10.40 | morphir | wurp2, it's not like it's pr0n :D |
| 16:10.51 | morphir | well, kinda XD |
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| 16:11.39 | morphir | wurp2, http://einit.org/node/122 |
| 16:12.43 | wurp2 | Well, my workplace blocks most video |
| 16:13.19 | wurp2 | thx again |
| 16:13.20 | maroi | how fast is that system? cpu. ram, etc? |
| 16:13.35 | wurp2 | 266 mhz, 128 mb |
| 16:13.39 | wurp2 | ARM |
| 16:13.45 | maroi | ;) |
| 16:14.10 | morphir | maroi, are you asking me? |
| 16:14.17 | maroi | yes, morphir |
| 16:14.23 | anrp | no fpu |
| 16:14.27 | anrp | not that it matters for most cases |
| 16:14.47 | morphir | ok, it's a standard old crap |
| 16:15.27 | morphir | I don't know the specs of the comp.. but magnus is booting up to x in 15 seconds now |
| 16:15.32 | morphir | from gtub |
| 16:15.51 | morphir | and he has a amd64 |
| 16:16.12 | morphir | err. from grub |
| 16:16.40 | maroi | sounds _very_ nice.. |
| 16:17.33 | morphir | indeed it is - none of us are running super computers |
| 16:17.59 | reSpawn | :O so fast :O |
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| 16:20.09 | morphir | the goal is 10 seconds from grub to x |
| 16:21.36 | wurp2 | What other optimizations did you make from a default install? I'm guessing that you removed a bunch of services from the boot sequence... |
| 16:21.53 | maroi | but its not designed for different systems, just for a device with exact the same hardware on each boot, right? |
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| 16:22.22 | zash | well |
| 16:22.39 | zash | its designed for mobile devices |
| 16:22.48 | zash | but most wont change after install |
| 16:23.06 | maroi | sure.. but it would be usefull for other systems as well |
| 16:23.35 | maroi | think about a live-system on your usb drive.. |
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| 16:53.52 | morphir | wurp2 maroi , it's a gentoo system where the kernel is modularized |
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| 16:54.34 | morphir | besides that, there really ain't much tweaks going on |
| 16:56.08 | morphir | wurp2, services are initiated with xml modules actually - and writing this modules is very easy |
| 16:56.26 | morphir | thus xml, this creates little overhead |
| 16:56.51 | morphir | now |
| 16:57.13 | morphir | is there a emulator for openmoko (like for android)? |
| 16:57.28 | morphir | we could start porting this our selves |
| 16:57.34 | bkruse | morphir: qemu.... |
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| 16:57.57 | morphir | right, that means I could use virtualbox too |
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| 16:59.29 | bkruse | morphir: ....probably |
| 16:59.51 | bkruse | morphir: I have also seen that kind of kernel, and I am in favor |
| 17:01.46 | wurp2 | morphir: So we would rewrite our init scripts to be compatible with einit? |
| 17:02.00 | bkruse | Qwell: ! |
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| 17:02.10 | PBeck | hoi |
| 17:02.36 | wurp2 | morphir: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qemu |
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| 17:08.36 | morphir | wurp2, good question |
| 17:09.06 | morphir | since I know so little about the openmoko platform |
| 17:09.25 | morphir | I can't tell how much work it will be |
| 17:09.32 | wurp2 | The init.d scripts are standard sh scripts |
| 17:10.00 | wurp2 | OM would need to rewrite the sourced config files as well as the init.d scripts |
| 17:10.14 | morphir | wurp2, but I can guarantee you a significant bootup time decrease |
| 17:10.37 | wurp2 | I'm sure einit has some way to pass in env variables to the exes kicked off by init scripts |
| 17:11.22 | wurp2 | It seems to me they'd be very interested. If nothing else, someone will do the port independently once einit is functional enough to take over the whole job |
| 17:11.47 | wurp2 | Boot time is currently about 1.5 to 2 minutes, and there is definite interest in reducing it substantially |
| 17:12.15 | morphir | wurp2, do you have a openmoko? |
| 17:13.33 | morphir | it would be for the best if one that knows the openmoko platform would join #einit |
| 17:14.06 | morphir | and we could help assist filling in the blanks so of speak |
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| 17:15.49 | wurp2 | Sure |
| 17:16.01 | wurp2 | Have you looked for an appropriate OM mailing list to post such a request? |
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| 17:16.40 | morphir | wurp2, I believe magnus (the lead devel) are - but he has only so much time :) |
| 17:16.43 | wurp2 | openmoko-devel-request@lists.openmoko.org, perhaps |
| 17:17.26 | wurp2 | Sure, but presumably you (or someone on the einit team) have enough time to ask someone to join einit :-) |
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| 17:21.04 | morphir | look. I'm just interested in helping you guys out with receiving better bootup time |
| 17:22.06 | morphir | I believe both projects can benefit from this |
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| 17:35.28 | wurp2 | morphir: I agree. Did I say something offensive? It seems to me that the best way for both projects to benefit is for someone on the einit team to give a quick overview of what einit does on openmoko-devel-request@lists.openmoko.org, and ask for someone from OM to look into einit on OM. |
| 17:35.45 | wurp2 | I don't represent OM in any way at all; I'm just a Neo1973 owner. |
| 17:36.42 | KentControl | can i have mine with a titanium shell? |
| 17:37.25 | morphir | wurp2, sure. I can tell magnus that. But are you sure *you* don't wanna try einit out now? |
| 17:37.46 | morphir | like on your openmoko |
| 17:38.01 | mjr | KentControl, well, we have case specs for the gta01, presumably will have for freerunner also... |
| 17:38.20 | wurp2 | Yes, I am sure, because I don't have a full build environment for OpenEmbedded, and because I am at work... |
| 17:38.51 | morphir | wurp2, ok, cool |
| 17:39.22 | wurp2 | KentControl: You would need some testing to make sure the metal shell doesn't interfere too much with GSM, GPS, bluetooth signals |
| 17:39.25 | morphir | then I tell magnus to fire away a post to ml |
| 17:45.39 | wurp2 | Supid Q |
| 17:45.51 | wurp2 | Is there a way to add a phone number that I called to the contact list? |
| 17:46.23 | mjr | has someone done software for call recording yet? |
| 17:46.37 | wurp2 | I mean, I could write something to do it, but I was hoping it already exists and I'm just missing it somehow |
| 17:52.36 | ahven | linuxtogo.org is still at high load? |
| 17:56.36 | wurp2 | It was OK last night for downloads |
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| 18:11.52 | ahven | excuse me with my possible stupid question, but if I update my Neo with ipkg, I shouldn't have the need to flash with the newer jffs images? |
| 18:15.47 | wurp2 | ahven: I don't believe you should need to flash if you do ipkg update |
| 18:16.10 | wurp2 | But I think I'm talking from the same position you are: educated guessing |
| 18:16.21 | ahven | :) |
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| 18:26.46 | linuxxr | x2 5000+ black WOO HOO |
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| 18:35.28 | bkruse | linuxxr: is that going to be in the new openmoko phone? :P |
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| 18:36.57 | kdean06 | Sounds like an AMD based system. |
| 18:37.10 | kdean06 | Athlon X2 5000+ (Black Box) |
| 18:37.16 | kdean06 | No? |
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| 18:40.25 | ahven | Neo with a heatsink? :) |
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| 18:44.37 | anrp | a really big heatsink .. |
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| 18:49.26 | wurp2 | Is there a standard way to overlay some graphics over the top of another app in X |
| 18:49.48 | wurp2 | e.g. if you wanted to show a keyboard as an overlay over a significant part of the screen? |
| 18:50.07 | ewon | draw to the root window |
| 18:50.33 | wurp2 | I guess you could just take a screenshot of the target coordinates, merge your image with it, and open your app over those coords |
| 18:50.34 | rob_w | wurp2: use a windowmanager |
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| 18:51.02 | wurp2 | Then echo any mousepresses & keypresses you didn't want to the background image |
| 18:51.24 | rob_w | then you echo them to a image |
| 18:51.39 | rob_w | the image will be quite happy to get events |
| 18:51.41 | wurp2 | rob_w: Typical WMs provide a way to do that? |
| 18:51.54 | rob_w | thats all they do ,, imho |
| 18:52.18 | rob_w | i can set a on_top property on any good windowmanager |
| 18:53.07 | wurp2 | And read the screen data being displayed at a given set of coords (not owned by the calling app)? |
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| 18:55.07 | wurp2 | thx. I was sure I could do it by using a low level graphics api (to read screen data) but I also felt that probably wasn't the right way to do it |
| 18:55.36 | wurp2 | All the graphical app dev I've done was either taking over the whole screen for game graphics or doing standard windowed apps |
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| 19:00.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1262 has been created by ahvenas(AT)gmail.com |
| 19:00.01 | cdbot2 | * * X dies just before loading the desktop |
| 19:00.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1262 |
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| 19:18.11 | glam | I want to develop OpenMoko on Linux, where do I start, where to download SDK, IDE, examples, tutorials etc? |
| 19:18.20 | ewon | wiki |
| 19:18.52 | glam | I were in the wiki, but cannot find the info. |
| 19:19.27 | wurp2 | Does anyone know where to get matchbox window manager API docs? |
| 19:19.31 | wurp2 | http://matchbox-project.org/documentation/developers/api/ is empty |
| 19:20.11 | wurp2 | glam: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qemu and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain |
| 19:20.46 | wurp2 | glam: see also http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain as an alternative to Toolchain |
| 19:21.10 | glam | wurp2: Thanks. |
| 19:21.21 | wurp2 | s/Toolchain as/Mokomakefile as/ |
| 19:21.33 | wurp2 | glam: You're welcome :-) |
| 19:21.44 | glam | apt_: Thanks |
| 19:22.08 | wurp2 | apt is a bot that does some handy scripting stuff in the channel |
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| 19:22.30 | wurp2 | So, thanks to the author, whoever that is |
| 19:22.36 | wurp2 | ~author |
| 19:22.41 | glam | apt_: hay so you are a bot? |
| 19:22.59 | wurp2 | ~trout wurp2 |
| 19:23.00 | apt | ACTION slaps wurp2 around a bit with a large trout! |
| 19:23.23 | jku | I'd like to get the cell id, LAC, MNC and MCC of the current GSM connection. How to do this on openmoko? |
| 19:23.35 | ewon | at commands |
| 19:23.40 | ewon | if available at al |
| 19:23.50 | jku | ah... |
| 19:24.21 | jku | thanks |
| 19:24.45 | abraxa_ | jku: Best way would be saying "cook up a patch for libgsmd/pygsmd to make the data available properly" ;) |
| 19:25.14 | jku | yeah, I read that between the lines ... |
| 19:25.36 | abraxa_ | hehe |
| 19:25.51 | wurp2 | cell id is definitely there. I dunno what the other things are, so no idea on those :-) |
| 19:26.22 | wurp2 | The AT commands are pretty simple... it's not ideal, but it works, and it works now |
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| 19:30.39 | SirBob1701 | Does the toolchain only create a new session to login to on a desktop? i don't want to fubar my install |
| 19:35.06 | wurp2 | I don't think any of the methods of building OM stuff on your PC are going to fubar your install... |
| 19:35.36 | abraxa_ | SirBob1701: If you use MokoMakefile then you system won't be altered at all |
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| 19:35.39 | abraxa_ | your* |
| 19:35.48 | bkruse | wurp2: True, unless someone stuck the rm -rf /* in the bash script for OM checkout? :P |
| 19:36.03 | SirBob1701 | ok i'll have to look into it more to understand |
| 19:36.23 | SirBob1701 | only took a cursory glance and it seemed like it was just making a new session |
| 19:36.24 | wurp2 | Heh, well, that's true - any time you're checking ever-changing code out and running it, you are at risk |
| 19:40.44 | jku | wurp2, do you happen to know of an example of the AT stuff (never done that)? |
| 19:40.59 | zash | ATRTFM |
| 19:41.34 | zash | examples on le wiki? |
| 19:41.47 | zash | manualy something |
| 19:42.00 | zash | if thats what you meant |
| 19:42.05 | wurp2 | jku: libgsmd-tool -mATCMD |
| 19:42.09 | wurp2 | Then type in the AT command |
| 19:42.15 | jku | wurp2, thanks |
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| 19:42.28 | wurp2 | If you search for libgsmd-tool on the wiki, then follow links for AT commands, you can find most of 'em |
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| 19:45.32 | mmontour | jku: See also http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA01_gsm_modem#AT.25EM and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoFEM |
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| 19:55.43 | jku | mmontour, thanks |
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| 19:57.50 | `pwgen` | hmm where ist the dl_mirror defined ? ( belnet seems offline ) |
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| 19:59.50 | ryoohki | any more developer kits coming in? did they only sell out of developer kits once or did reordering occur? |
| 20:00.39 | jamewill | ryoohki, nope, wait for FreeRunner |
| 20:00.53 | Qwell | _but I want it now_ :) |
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| 20:02.47 | wurp2 | Buy one from the secondary seller list |
| 20:03.06 | Qwell | wurp2: got a link? |
| 20:03.20 | wurp2 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Buying_Interest_List |
| 20:03.37 | wurp2 | ryoohki: They may actually have debug kits - they just don't have any more Neo1973s |
| 20:03.56 | wurp2 | I dunno if they will sell just a debug kit, but you could email Michael Shiloh and ask, or ask on the device-owners list |
| 20:04.13 | wurp2 | Qwell: The device-owners list would also be a good place to ask to buy one |
| 20:05.51 | wurp2 | kdean06: New build review. Yay! Crap build. Boo! Thanks for the info :-) |
| 20:05.59 | kdean06 | No problem. |
| 20:06.59 | AverageI1iot | hi, I'm first trying to get openmoko apps run on my pc |
| 20:07.16 | AverageI1iot | i dont have openmoko-libs in my $OPENMOKODIR |
| 20:08.21 | AverageI1iot | are the subdirectories in libraries meant? |
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| 20:15.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1263 has been created by mail(AT)mmontour.net |
| 20:15.02 | cdbot2 | * * hald memory leak |
| 20:15.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1263 |
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| 20:26.37 | xcasex | GLRGASFSDSDFA |
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| 20:58.41 | ScaredyCat | flange! |
| 20:58.47 | wurp2 | I would have sworn there was an example on the wiki of how to create an ipk for a python app, w/o needing the full mokomake |
| 20:59.01 | wurp2 | I can't find it now :-( |
| 21:01.00 | CM | With the toolchain? |
| 21:01.54 | XorA|gone | wurp2: tar it up, use alien to make a .deb, rename it |
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| 21:03.04 | wurp2 | XorA|gone: excellent, thanks! I'll have to read up on alien, but that's no problem |
| 21:03.35 | XorA|gone | wurp2: havent tried it, but in theory should work |
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| 21:04.10 | XorA|gone | wurp2: otherwise making an ipk by hand is pretty use, ar -x another one, replace the bits, fix the control file, and ar it back up again |
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| 21:06.45 | wurp2 | XorA|gone: That second option may work better still for me. Thanks again! |
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| 21:28.48 | wurp2 | wow, I had no idea illume was the official new window manager for FreeRunner |
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| 21:33.39 | ajbrun | what's so special about illume? First time i've heard of it tbh |
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| 21:37.08 | El_Salvador[Away | official new window manager for FreeRunner? |
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| 21:37.39 | CVirus | illume ? |
| 21:37.41 | CVirus | link ? |
| 21:37.58 | El_Salvador[Away | http://illume.projects.openmoko.org/ |
| 21:39.23 | CVirus | thanks |
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| 22:03.05 | wurp2 | I'm just going by the latest entry on planet.openmoko.org |
| 22:03.34 | wurp2 | and having heard raster discuss illume in here |
| 22:05.10 | jku | was that the first mention of Diversity? |
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| 22:10.32 | wurp2 | I didn't notice Diversity being mentioned |
| 22:11.28 | wurp2 | ah, I see now |
| 22:12.04 | jku | there's an actual project with lots of code already: http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/diversity |
| 22:12.19 | jku | still not sure what it is though |
| 22:12.43 | wurp2 | The description looks pretty cool. I missed the name since they didn't capitalize it in the post. |
| 22:12.54 | jku | definitely |
| 22:13.13 | jku | I work on geoclue myself and that sounds really cool |
| 22:13.23 | wurp2 | I hadn't heard of it, either :-) |
| 22:13.48 | jku | not surprising, it's not on any system/distro yet |
| 22:15.52 | ahven | nice, gprs connects 1 out 5 attempts :P |
| 22:18.04 | wurp2 | ahven: You're doing better than me |
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| 22:18.10 | wurp2 | But I haven't played with timeout settings yet |
| 22:18.22 | ahven | me neither, using the defaults |
| 22:18.30 | wurp2 | I never connect using the defaults |
| 22:18.31 | ahven | don't have a clue where to start |
| 22:18.50 | wurp2 | There is a note on the gprs page about some timeout settings someone had to add to connect |
| 22:19.34 | ahven | # very long timeouts (unwise?) |
| 22:19.34 | ahven | lcp-echo-interval 300 |
| 22:19.34 | ahven | lcp-echo-failure 40000 |
| 22:19.35 | ahven | those? |
| 22:20.32 | mjr | afaik you generally want to disable lcp-echo altogether, which is probably close to what that ends up doing |
| 22:20.51 | mjr | IIRC interval 0 should do the trick |
| 22:21.45 | wurp2 | ahven: Yeah, that's what I was talking about. mjr: thanks for the info! |
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| 22:27.22 | ahven | getting better, on the 4th try :P |
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| 22:50.06 | ahven | wurp2|away: try commenting out the last two lines, lcp-echo-interval and lcp-echo-failure |
| 22:50.42 | ahven | third time in a row now :) |
| 22:50.52 | ahven | blah, failed :P |
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| 22:50.58 | ahven | but 2 in a row was good |
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| 22:55.07 | ahven | wurp2|away: it seems to make a little better for me |
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| 22:59.06 | ce_geek | Is it possible to buy an openmoko phone right now? |
| 23:00.17 | Qwell | ce_geek: they exist, and FIC(?) made quite a few of them.. they're all sold out now though. there are other places you can get them though |
| 23:01.15 | ce_geek | Qwell: Are they mid-revision or are they just always tricky to get? |
| 23:01.43 | Qwell | well, you just can't buy them from FIC anymore. the phone is "available" by other means though. I was planning on looking more tonight |
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| 23:02.00 | ce_geek | K. I'd like to buy one this summer. |
| 23:02.16 | Qwell | by this summer the second version should be out (hopefully...) |
| 23:02.34 | Qwell | "FreeRunner" (see topic) |
| 23:02.35 | ce_geek | Is there a likely place that will sell them? |
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| 23:19.04 | ajbrun | it's quite likley openmoko will sell them tbh |
| 23:19.19 | ajbrun | infact i'd go as far to say it's 100% likley once released |
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| 23:30.27 | wurp2|away | ce_geek, Qwell: Neo1973 is no longer being produced because they're switching to FreeRunner |
| 23:30.44 | wurp2|away | which should be out in the next month or two |
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| 23:33.59 | Qwell | or three ;) |
| 23:34.32 | Qwell | is the Neo1973 pretty usable? The cost difference appears to be pretty high |
| 23:35.38 | ce_geek | How much are we talking about for the FreeRunner? |
| 23:40.59 | ewon | ce_geek: a kidney |
| 23:41.11 | Qwell | we have 2, right? |
| 23:42.27 | raster | wurp2|away: considering no official prices are out for it... :) pretty hard to say its "more" :) |
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| 23:47.18 | ce_geek | ewon: ha |
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