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| 01:01.13 | rtm_ | Is there anyone online who has gotten tangoGPS to work on their neo1973? |
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| 01:14.40 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Use daily u-boot snapshots now that they're available. |
| 01:14.40 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Move kernel load site down a bit. |
| 01:14.40 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Disable u-boot env pre-load explicitely. |
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| 04:04.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1255 has been created by will(AT)openmoko.com |
| 04:04.01 | cdbot2 | * * No indication of battery charging when power is off |
| 04:04.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1255 |
| 04:05.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1256 has been created by will(AT)openmoko.com |
| 04:05.02 | cdbot2 | * * Boot time too slow |
| 04:05.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1256 |
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| 04:08.41 | raster | mew |
| 04:08.58 | SpeedEvil | Hi. |
| 04:09.30 | raster | ho |
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| 04:46.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1257 has been created by will(AT)openmoko.com |
| 04:46.02 | cdbot2 | * * 2 progress wheels |
| 04:46.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1257 |
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| 07:39.52 | methril | morning |
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| 07:51.04 | Nar | evening |
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| 07:59.15 | raster | pants |
| 08:02.25 | zecke | pants? |
| 08:05.09 | raster | i have pants. do you? |
| 08:07.16 | zecke | no, I do not posess anything (not even pride) :) |
| 08:07.28 | raster | hhhhHh |
| 08:07.29 | raster | BTW |
| 08:07.34 | raster | FOUND OUT WHY SOME DIALOGS ARE BIZARRE |
| 08:07.36 | raster | oops |
| 08:07.36 | raster | caps |
| 08:07.43 | raster | things are behavng much better here |
| 08:07.45 | zecke | cool |
| 08:08.30 | raster | no0t in cvs/svn yet |
| 08:08.32 | raster | wait wait |
| 08:08.41 | methril | what things raster? :) |
| 08:08.54 | raster | well "new contact" dialog for address book |
| 08:08.57 | raster | its not perfect |
| 08:08.59 | raster | but better |
| 08:09.17 | raster | reason it was bad was it showed then later resized itself |
| 08:09.33 | raster | and illume had already decided to center it given its old size |
| 08:09.40 | raster | then the size came, but illume did nothing |
| 08:10.19 | raster | i want to get this multi-netmtype thing fixed |
| 08:11.24 | methril | nice |
| 08:11.27 | raster | then fetch if its a q* client or menu window or not and flag things in e core for that |
| 08:11.33 | raster | and then i can handle auto show/.hide |
| 08:11.40 | raster | i'll chuck it into svn +cvs then |
| 08:12.41 | zecke | I will do some maths now, wasn't too successfull in doing it the other three days... |
| 08:13.05 | zecke | I wonder how a compile error with *Freetype* and -no-freetype as configure option relate to each other, and how much this is C++ related :) |
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| 08:33.17 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 08:33.22 | zash | mornin' |
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| 08:36.29 | methril | morning |
| 08:40.16 | emdete | raster: are there also color-issues with evas-xrender on gta02? i have strange effect on gradients |
| 08:41.34 | raster | emdete: ooh gradients in evas are broken |
| 08:41.35 | raster | dont use them |
| 08:41.51 | emdete | i use a png that has one |
| 08:41.59 | raster | oh then its just an image |
| 08:42.04 | raster | and it should "just work" |
| 08:42.12 | raster | 16bit engine? |
| 08:42.15 | raster | or software_x11 ? |
| 08:42.23 | emdete | software_x11 works fine |
| 08:42.26 | raster | nb - did u check illume? i put up .bb files i use to build efl |
| 08:42.38 | raster | hmm software_16 does not do perfect rendering |
| 08:43.34 | emdete | look at the second button from left on the bottom: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/79f8206ce2f2f44fefe613cc9f272eff.png <- software |
| 08:43.38 | zecke | XorA: hey, see the above message ;) |
| 08:43.54 | emdete | xrender: http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/21d9e352914b9c1087f95859956f8648.png |
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| 08:44.46 | emdete | raster: do you see the difference? |
| 08:44.47 | XorA | zecke: heh oh well |
| 08:45.24 | zecke | XorA: nothing c++ related there.. |
| 08:45.39 | raster | is purple intended? |
| 08:45.56 | raster | as such |
| 08:45.57 | emdete | raster: yes, just checking |
| 08:46.01 | raster | your original image does have a gradient |
| 08:46.09 | XorA | zecke: incomplete types is still C++ problem, and why is their system so fucked it tries to compile stuff its told not to? |
| 08:46.09 | emdete | raster: my girlfriend loves it ;) |
| 08:46.18 | raster | the 16bpp engine is doing the best it can with 16bpp + alpha plane |
| 08:46.22 | emdete | raster: yes, i mean the gray radient in the circle |
| 08:46.25 | zecke | XorA: I'm compiling it right now, it would be cool if you could catch up from there again. like getting illume integrated, .xsession for qpe :) |
| 08:46.34 | raster | 16bit engine has a significant color reduction from the 32bit software one |
| 08:46.39 | XorA | WTF is illume? |
| 08:46.53 | zecke | XorA: illume.projects.om.org |
| 08:46.54 | raster | XorA: u don't read your email :) |
| 08:46.59 | emdete | there is no _16 used - it does not start, remember? |
| 08:47.15 | XorA | raster: if its UI stuff I ignore it, no interest to me |
| 08:47.21 | emdete | its softwarex11 (red) and xrender (purple). |
| 08:47.28 | raster | emdete: oooh |
| 08:47.30 | raster | xrender |
| 08:47.38 | raster | then thats xrender's problem |
| 08:47.50 | raster | its converting from argb32 to 16bpp with no dithering |
| 08:47.56 | raster | evas software does dithering |
| 08:48.12 | raster | offscreen buffers for xrender engine are 32bpp |
| 08:48.32 | raster | well as it stands right now in the xrender engine it asks for a 32bpp offscreen buffer to render (a pixmap/xrender picutre) |
| 08:48.35 | raster | draws everything to that |
| 08:48.40 | raster | then copes from that to the screen when done |
| 08:48.53 | raster | the copy if screen is 16bpp will imply a down-convert from 32 to 16bpp |
| 08:48.58 | raster | (well 24bpp to 16bpp) |
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| 08:49.10 | raster | and xrender is doing it the simple way - just dropping colro resolution |
| 08:49.18 | raster | nothgin to be done there |
| 08:49.22 | raster | as thats xrender's software |
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| 08:50.25 | emdete | raster: okay.. so i drop xrender for now. ;) |
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| 08:51.41 | emdete | raster: what do you think, would it be possible to develop a c-lib with all glamo functions avaible for testing in a short time for someone with the manual? just a thin layer above without x11, evas, whatever? |
| 08:52.05 | methril | raster, nice video of your illume :) |
| 08:52.14 | emdete | video? where? |
| 08:52.24 | methril | in the project webpage |
| 08:52.26 | methril | :) |
| 08:52.30 | methril | in a neo |
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| 08:53.05 | raster | emdete: possible, but no one has the time for it |
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| 08:53.53 | raster | to drive the glamo with no troubles u need to us ethe command rpocessor |
| 08:53.57 | raster | and that uses a command pipeline |
| 08:54.05 | raster | so u need to put operations on the pipeline |
| 08:54.19 | raster | and then u need to know how to put them teree and their format |
| 08:54.41 | raster | i defintiely don't have time to do it :( |
| 08:54.43 | methril | this could be a nice Google SoC :) |
| 08:54.47 | raster | and dodji is busy |
| 08:54.59 | emdete | methril: if you get the docs |
| 08:55.06 | TRIsoft | morning *grabsmorecoffee* |
| 08:55.06 | raster | methril: we aren't going to due to NDA. |
| 08:55.20 | raster | basically u need to sign the nda |
| 08:55.32 | raster | and frankly we can only do that easily if u work for OM |
| 08:55.33 | methril | yes, i readed something about it in the mailing list |
| 08:55.40 | emdete | raster: what does the nda say? |
| 08:55.48 | raster | and for a student to do work with something needing an NDA is simply not going to happen |
| 08:55.52 | ccfly | your soul is ours ? |
| 08:55.53 | raster | emdete: beats me |
| 08:56.00 | emdete | raster: does it allow to release source? |
| 08:56.07 | raster | but i know i can't give out the docs |
| 08:56.09 | methril | it's a pitty |
| 08:56.13 | raster | but i can talk about the chip in my own words |
| 08:56.19 | raster | its featues and abilities |
| 08:56.29 | raster | and any code we do can be public (gpl, mit-x11, bsd - whatever) |
| 08:56.36 | methril | but you're going to make some public documents, aren't you? |
| 08:56.38 | raster | yes it allos source release |
| 08:56.41 | raster | allows |
| 08:56.47 | raster | methril: no we aren't |
| 08:56.48 | raster | no time |
| 08:56.53 | methril | oh :( |
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| 08:57.14 | methril | well, at least allows you to release public code |
| 08:57.16 | zecke | hehe some one could write a pdf viewer and put the glamo document into the regression test suite :) |
| 08:57.20 | methril | some NDA doen't allow it |
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| 08:59.17 | raster | meht the glamo docs together are about 600 pages of specs |
| 08:59.34 | raster | methril: i am not going to sit down and write docs matching whats in them |
| 08:59.53 | methril | uf!! |
| 08:59.58 | raster | i dont think anyone here is willing to do that |
| 09:00.08 | raster | zecke: that reminds me |
| 09:00.11 | raster | i promised u docs |
| 09:00.15 | methril | neither do i, if i were in that possition |
| 09:00.46 | emdete | raster: can anyone sign the nda and just start? |
| 09:01.09 | raster | emdete: u have to ask smedia |
| 09:01.11 | raster | its their nda |
| 09:03.17 | raster | emdete: i dont think its that simple |
| 09:03.43 | raster | emdete: even with a lib - u'd need to worry abotu suspend and resume |
| 09:03.45 | raster | and a lot more |
| 09:04.19 | raster | lcm control |
| 09:04.24 | raster | etc. etc. |
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| 09:05.17 | raster | zecke: i'll give it to you on the weekend |
| 09:05.26 | raster | got ti tarred up here |
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| 09:10.54 | emdete | raster: suspend and resume of the device? no, i just want to get a feeling of the glamo and have a base for further work (i.e. on evas or whatever) |
| 09:11.26 | raster | emdete: that can't be done quickly :( |
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| 09:11.38 | raster | i sent questions to smedia last friday |
| 09:11.42 | raster | i am still waiting on a reply |
| 09:11.53 | emdete | om inc should immediatly start with that in my opinion... |
| 09:12.10 | emdete | smedia should have code for that... |
| 09:12.21 | raster | they dont |
| 09:12.24 | raster | they only have wince drivers |
| 09:12.48 | methril | uf!! win drivers!! |
| 09:12.59 | methril | i did some drivers for windows |
| 09:13.03 | methril | it's a nightmare |
| 09:13.15 | emdete | raster: closed source...? even for buyers of the glamo? |
| 09:13.30 | raster | yez |
| 09:13.36 | raster | we have the srces |
| 09:13.42 | raster | we are allowed to look at them |
| 09:13.49 | raster | and use them to clarify the docs |
| 09:14.39 | emdete | 'we' does mean whom? if i would know a oss developer capable of that crap would there be a way to let him work on that? |
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| 09:14.48 | raster | Om |
| 09:15.03 | raster | openmoko |
| 09:15.19 | emdete | yes, shure. would there be a way to let him work on that? |
| 09:15.27 | raster | i can find out - but it will take several weeks before i know anything |
| 09:15.38 | methril | who is him? |
| 09:15.39 | raster | at the current rate |
| 09:15.42 | emdete | that's long :/ |
| 09:16.39 | emdete | methril: 'him' is a random oss developer outside om. i have someone in mind i want to ask |
| 09:17.06 | methril | nice |
| 09:18.31 | ccfly | 100% software accelerated 3D chip :> |
| 09:18.35 | ccfly | no pun intended |
| 09:18.36 | ccfly | :> |
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| 09:24.33 | krish | hi |
| 09:24.47 | krish | is openmoko participating in gsoc this year? |
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| 09:29.49 | emdete | raster: nice video btw. you integrate gtk apps also, right? |
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| 09:31.33 | raster | emdete: gtk, qtopia, any other x11 stuff |
| 09:31.54 | emdete | so qtopia included? nice |
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| 09:34.12 | raster | emdete: yes. we have ported qtopia to x11 - partially |
| 09:34.17 | raster | enough so core apps work |
| 09:34.55 | emdete | funny |
| 09:35.07 | emdete | whoever likes that setup... meybe it sells. |
| 09:35.22 | raster | sean is insisting on it |
| 09:35.24 | raster | so is wolfgang |
| 09:35.28 | raster | *shrug* |
| 09:35.33 | raster | i dont give a hoot personally |
| 09:35.41 | raster | one way or another |
| 09:35.45 | raster | if qt apps work - fine |
| 09:35.59 | raster | but its going to be one nasty mixed env |
| 09:36.04 | emdete | ...if qt apps sell, fine. so we have the time to do our stuff |
| 09:36.20 | emdete | raster: as any other mobile on the market, so why not? |
| 09:36.33 | ccfly | well considering nokia wants all their services on Qt |
| 09:36.50 | mbuf | raster, isn't there a framebuffer-based GUI available? |
| 09:37.09 | SpeedEvil | Framebuffer is certainly not the slowness. |
| 09:37.10 | raster | mbuf: what do u mean? |
| 09:37.21 | SpeedEvil | Or rather - Xfb isn't |
| 09:38.04 | zecke | raster: is now a good time updating? |
| 09:38.09 | mbuf | raster, something like fbui? http://home.comcast.net/~fbui/index.html |
| 09:38.40 | raster | mbuf: u could do one. but it'd be bitchs-low on a gta02 without glamo accel |
| 09:38.57 | raster | and fbui isnt solving anything x doesnt already solve |
| 09:39.24 | ccfly | give framebuffer a rest |
| 09:40.26 | ccfly | there's enough work to go around without a manic need to reinvent the wheel |
| 09:40.28 | raster | direct fb access is a silly idea to try and shave off a tiny fraction here and there |
| 09:40.31 | raster | it doesnt scale |
| 09:40.44 | raster | it doesnt port forward or is able to use any hw accel if it turns up |
| 09:40.47 | SpeedEvil | The main reason X seems slow is problems that hitting the framebuffer direct doesn't fix. |
| 09:40.51 | raster | it also makes development for the platform hard |
| 09:40.58 | raster | with x u can dev your apps withotu an emulator |
| 09:41.01 | raster | or anything special |
| 09:41.04 | raster | just a normal x window |
| 09:41.16 | SpeedEvil | The total lack of accel basically, that means for a smooth scroll, you've got to move tens of megabytes/second |
| 09:41.29 | SpeedEvil | On a teeny CPU |
| 09:41.41 | raster | SpeedEvil: yup. evas is suffering atm because of that as it doesn thave any accel paths in x it can use to do that (with alpha) |
| 09:41.46 | raster | its nto the cpu either |
| 09:41.50 | raster | its the video bus interconnect |
| 09:42.04 | SpeedEvil | For GTA02 - not so much GTA01 |
| 09:42.04 | raster | the cpu is able to blast much more to video ram than it video ram can accept |
| 09:42.09 | raster | yeah |
| 09:42.10 | raster | gta02 |
| 09:42.16 | raster | gta01 is better in that regard |
| 09:42.18 | raster | much better |
| 09:42.59 | SpeedEvil | For GTA02 things change the other way - framebuffer access is _so_ slow that you absolutely have to use all the acceleration you can. |
| 09:43.40 | SpeedEvil | For 01, the framebuffer is the same speed as normal RAM. |
| 09:44.26 | mbuf | raster, i see |
| 09:44.43 | raster | yup |
| 09:46.11 | ccfly | i'm sorry to ask, I'm sure this came up before, but why is the interconnect with GPU so slow |
| 09:47.00 | raster | that is the best the hardware interconnect can do |
| 09:47.35 | raster | a combination of the glamo itself and the samsung |
| 09:47.41 | raster | and the hardware combination of the 2 |
| 09:47.41 | methril | it's interconected in the Memory bus or some other hardware net? |
| 09:48.12 | raster | its connected to the memory bus |
| 09:48.13 | methril | i was reading the Samsung documentation of the u, it's really god |
| 09:48.18 | raster | its a memory mapped device |
| 09:48.19 | raster | BUT |
| 09:48.35 | methril | then u can use DMA |
| 09:48.41 | raster | when u write the memory bus needs to wait for the glamo on its side of the interconnct to signal ok |
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| 09:48.46 | raster | hthats what we are trying |
| 09:48.49 | raster | dma doesn tpseed it up |
| 09:48.56 | raster | but it means the cpu isnt hung writing |
| 09:48.57 | raster | BUT |
| 09:49.02 | raster | i think we may have a gotcha |
| 09:49.04 | methril | but doesn't slow it |
| 09:49.07 | raster | since it loks up the memory bus |
| 09:49.27 | raster | the bus is not smart enough to release memory while waiting ont he glamo for other memory ops |
| 09:49.32 | raster | so all of memory is locked during dma |
| 09:49.39 | raster | so it ends up the same |
| 09:49.56 | raster | the extra complexity of the dma will slow things down a lot unless its large transfers |
| 09:50.05 | raster | and if it is a large xfer it will be no faster than non-dma |
| 09:50.11 | raster | and both will still lock down the memory bus |
| 09:50.25 | raster | so if ucan do processing that doesnt access memory while dma is active u are ok |
| 09:50.27 | methril | then u're still testing |
| 09:50.35 | raster | but the moment u need to access memory - u are blocked until dma is done |
| 09:50.46 | raster | we dont know the answer right now |
| 09:50.54 | raster | either the bus is just smart enough to do the right thing |
| 09:50.55 | raster | or its dumb |
| 09:51.04 | raster | if its dumb - dma is just a losing proposition. |
| 09:51.04 | methril | it's a hard to check the best performance |
| 09:51.40 | methril | but this the depends of the use of the memory in the hole system |
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| 10:55.08 | zecke | and that should be fixed |
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| 17:35.37 | ScaredyCat | wurp2: ping |
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| 17:49.49 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: pong |
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| 18:08.59 | PBeck | hi |
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| 18:35.11 | hhf423 | moin |
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| 18:36.52 | hhf423 | so any news on powermanagement since three weeks ago? |
| 18:37.18 | ewon | so the iphone sdk is out |
| 18:37.27 | hhf423 | oh yes it is |
| 18:37.42 | hhf423 | and dfake steve has a pretty good round up on who is dead now |
| 18:38.24 | hhf423 | flashflashflash |
| 18:39.21 | CM | hhf423: Hehe |
| 18:39.38 | CM | (About fake steve jobs) |
| 18:39.52 | ewon | pity it needs a mac to run it |
| 18:39.53 | hhf423 | I found it very funny |
| 18:39.54 | CM | They interviewed him in OpenSeason |
| 18:40.03 | hhf423 | did? have URL? |
| 18:40.08 | CM | The last episode from wednesday or so |
| 18:40.10 | CM | A sec |
| 18:40.26 | hhf423 | brb, have to pick up the wife |
| 18:40.32 | CM | That was before the sdk, but it was still an interesting interview |
| 18:41.07 | CM | hhf423: http://www.theregister.co.uk/software/open_season/ |
| 18:41.19 | CM | Great podcast |
| 18:42.02 | jamewill | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:43.27 | wurp2 | jamewill: Hey, cool! Thanks for the update! |
| 18:43.29 | wurp2 | It looks as if it does include a PCB change |
| 18:43.54 | wurp2 | what the heck is an 'IR resistor'? |
| 18:49.00 | CM | wurp2: Googling around seems to just say it's a regular resistor |
| 18:49.08 | CM | You can buy High IR resistors |
| 18:49.22 | CM | And some text said "The voltage drop (often called IR drop) across the resistor is..." |
| 18:50.16 | mwester | Is it 'IR' or '1R' ? |
| 18:50.45 | SpeedEvil | IR |
| 18:50.48 | SpeedEvil | I = current |
| 18:50.49 | ewon | V=IR |
| 18:50.51 | SpeedEvil | R = resistance |
| 18:50.54 | ewon | ohms law :) |
| 18:50.54 | SpeedEvil | V = IR |
| 18:50.56 | SpeedEvil | V=voltage |
| 18:51.38 | CM | Also, IR seems to mean Insulation Resistance |
| 18:51.41 | CM | "Capacitors used in dc blocking and coupling |
| 18:51.41 | CM | applications need to exhibit high IR to |
| 18:51.41 | CM | prevent dc leakage current from flowing. |
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| 18:52.07 | mwester | Oh I know ohms law. Just observing that 1R might be a designation for a 1 ohm resistor. |
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| 18:57.27 | SpeedEvil | In this case it probably stands for something else. |
| 18:57.37 | SpeedEvil | Reading the Calypso datasheet may reveal what. |
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| 18:59.50 | wurp2 | CM, cool, thanks for doing my research for me :-) |
| 19:00.16 | SpeedEvil | I really doubt that's it. |
| 19:00.24 | SpeedEvil | Internal Regulator or something maybe. |
| 19:01.32 | CM | Why not a capacitor to prevent dc leakage? |
| 19:01.38 | CM | It was for deep sleep gsm.. |
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| 19:29.11 | emdete | hm, the new gps chip is documented in windows help file format: http://www.u-blox.com/customersupport/gps.g3/ANTARIS_Protocol_Specification(GPS.G3-X-03002).chm - anybody an idea how to crack that under oder os? |
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| 19:32.54 | wiml | there is a open source CHM reader for unix somewhere |
| 19:33.02 | ynezz | yep, chm |
| 19:33.08 | ynezz | xchm |
| 19:33.21 | emdete | wiml: yes, the somewhere is what i'm fightin with ;) |
| 19:33.45 | jamewill | xchm sourceforge |
| 19:33.45 | emdete | and a debian package... fine :D |
| 19:34.41 | wiml | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:37.19 | emdete | cool, works for that file. great. |
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| 20:40.18 | ScaredyCat | wurp2: nm |
| 20:40.27 | ScaredyCat | found it in the end |
| 20:42.49 | ScaredyCat | .. a bit late but : http://code.google.com/p/chm2pdf/ |
| 20:43.28 | ScaredyCat | kchmviewer does a good job with it too |
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| 20:45.58 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: k |
| 20:46.24 | ScaredyCat | was just looking for your chage script... |
| 20:46.47 | ScaredyCat | I've got myself a nice little battery pack that you charge from usb |
| 20:47.12 | ScaredyCat | plugs ito the neo but it only seems to charge at slow rate.... |
| 20:47.26 | ScaredyCat | it can output 700ma .. |
| 20:47.37 | ScaredyCat | installed your script thing |
| 20:48.03 | ScaredyCat | that thing with 4 presses is a little annoying btw |
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| 21:04.08 | robtaylor | mickey_away: hey, i've been pondering on our discussion at fosdem, think I've got a pretty good idea of how to do 3d gesture recognition now ;) |
| 21:06.32 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: Well, I may make that configurable. But I would much rather be annoying than have someone decide to sue me because their neo bumped into something and started pulling 500 mA from a 100 mA supply |
| 21:07.15 | ScaredyCat | yeah, I understand why you did it.. it's just annoying if you know you want to do it :) |
| 21:07.25 | wurp2 | And it responds quickly enough that you can just tap the four corner w/o waiting for a visual response, so it's not as much a hindrance as it seems at first |
| 21:07.33 | wurp2 | Yeah |
| 21:07.38 | ScaredyCat | ah k |
| 21:07.52 | wurp2 | It would be super easy for me to make that a number of how many confirmation presses you want, which you coudl set to 0 |
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| 21:10.58 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 21:11.08 | ScaredyCat | just 1 is enough |
| 21:11.11 | ScaredyCat | for my |
| 21:11.18 | ScaredyCat | s/my/me |
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| 21:39.37 | beefsalad | holy crap, does every openmoko owner hang out here? hehe |
| 21:43.55 | ScaredyCat | we are legion |
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| 22:00.54 | Mousey | no |
| 22:01.16 | beefsalad | your not alone Mousey |
| 22:01.18 | Mousey | i used freerunners as pasties once.. but we don't talk about that |
| 22:01.32 | wurp2 | Too late, you just did |
| 22:01.35 | Mousey | shh! |
| 22:03.04 | Mousey | but do you have pictures? |
| 22:03.06 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 22:03.29 | Mousey | 2 freerunners 1 cup! |
| 22:09.03 | wurp2 | So why haven't you guys bought '01s? |
| 22:09.11 | wurp2 | Holding out for the ever-elusive FreeRunner? |
| 22:10.17 | mjr | oh I have |
| 22:10.46 | wurp2 | Yeah, I meant Mousey and beefsalad |
| 22:11.39 | beefsalad | 01s? (hardcore newb, found out about openmoko a few hours ago) |
| 22:11.59 | ScaredyCat | ! |
| 22:12.10 | wurp2 | Sorry |
| 22:12.15 | wurp2 | GTA01, the Neo1973 |
| 22:12.27 | wurp2 | That would explain why you haven't bought one ;-) |
| 22:12.34 | Mousey | can i buy one? |
| 22:12.37 | beefsalad | oh heh, I'm waiting to snipe the only one up for auction on ebay |
| 22:12.42 | Mousey | oh |
| 22:12.43 | Mousey | nm |
| 22:12.47 | wurp2 | Only from other end users selling them, right now |
| 22:12.59 | wurp2 | There is a list on the wiki of ppl who want to sell one |
| 22:13.01 | Mousey | any more eta than "a couple months"? |
| 22:13.15 | wurp2 | I know KrisAbsinthe used to be wanting to sell one |
| 22:13.24 | wurp2 | I'm not sure |
| 22:13.29 | wurp2 | I thought it was due out this month or next |
| 22:13.34 | Mousey | can i use it as a phone? |
| 22:13.34 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 22:13.46 | wurp2 | But they just started a new sample run with a new circuit board |
| 22:13.57 | wurp2 | Which I thought they weren't going to have to do |
| 22:14.00 | wurp2 | I use mine as my phone |
| 22:14.13 | wurp2 | the big hindrance is that you have only 4 hours of battery life right now |
| 22:14.35 | respawn | wurp2 what is consuming that much? |
| 22:14.48 | respawn | is it caused by software? |
| 22:14.59 | wurp2 | The problem is that they don't really quiesce everything when it's not in use |
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| 22:15.32 | wurp2 | GSM has a low power mode, CPU can run at reduced frequency, in fact the whole thing could auto-suspend & wake on incoming call |
| 22:15.49 | wurp2 | But the software is missing for all of that |
| 22:16.09 | wurp2 | And you can't really say the hw is confirmed to work for it until you test it w/ software |
| 22:16.55 | wurp2 | I think cesarb_ has made significant inroads for switching CPU speeds |
| 22:17.17 | wurp2 | And rumor has it that suspend & wake on call worked, at least intermittently, for a while |
| 22:17.19 | respawn | Well, they can't release the phone without those.. |
| 22:17.23 | wurp2 | sure |
| 22:17.34 | wurp2 | Well, they can't do a consumer release of a phone w/o those |
| 22:17.48 | wurp2 | I think there's some pretty heavy work going on in-house for the FreeRunner in those respects |
| 22:18.08 | respawn | I haven't checked the svn log |
| 22:18.23 | respawn | I guess everything they work on the code should be on svn right? |
| 22:18.32 | wurp2 | I don't follow the kernel mailing list, but I see some emails on other lists with people doing analysis on just how long it could last, and what pieces of the necessary software are working |
| 22:18.47 | wurp2 | And monotone |
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| 22:18.52 | wurp2 | And some things may be in git |
| 22:22.45 | beefsalad | I'm starting to wonder why Neonode hasn't been sued yet. I just pulled up their users guide and they keey calling their web browser "Internet Explorer" |
| 22:26.12 | wurp2 | I dunno |
| 22:26.37 | wurp2 | Microsoft has a habit of using names for their product that really shouldn't be independently trademark-able |
| 22:26.50 | wurp2 | Windows, Word, Internet Explorer are really just descriptions |
| 22:27.09 | wurp2 | Without being preceded by "Microsoft", e.g. "Microsoft Internet Explorer" |
| 22:27.45 | beefsalad | makes sense |
| 22:28.01 | hhf423 | this is brillant. There seems to be some working power management now. |
| 22:28.15 | beefsalad | though I think 'internet explorer' would be more appropriate...if they arent using the words as a proper noun they should not be capitalized |
| 22:28.23 | hhf423 | I just had the neo lie there for like two hours plus and the battery is not empty |
| 22:28.27 | wurp2 | hhf423: On FreeRunner? Or '01? |
| 22:28.32 | hhf423 | GTA01 |
| 22:28.47 | wurp2 | whoah! |
| 22:28.53 | wurp2 | Is that a packaged release? |
| 22:29.00 | hhf423 | actually, the icon says the battery is still full |
| 22:29.09 | wurp2 | I mean, my battery doesn't empty after 2 hours either |
| 22:29.17 | wurp2 | But it sure isn't full after 2 hours ;-) |
| 22:29.19 | hhf423 | its the latest celtune openmoko build |
| 22:29.33 | wurp2 | Oh, I haven't heard of the celtune build |
| 22:29.44 | wurp2 | Is that just someone pulling in some custom patches? |
| 22:29.46 | hhf423 | I was watching telly, so did not do anything and it just slept ok. and woke up when i called it |
| 22:30.13 | wurp2 | that's exciting. It would be nice to not pull my neo out of my pocket & plug it in every time I sit down :-) |
| 22:30.16 | hhf423 | I believe thats celtune's build using the standard openmoko scripts etc. |
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| 22:30.40 | hhf423 | yes, that makes it actually useable |
| 22:30.56 | hhf423 | and it can do calls, take calls, send SMS, receive SMS |
| 22:31.12 | hhf423 | so this looks like it could actually be useable |
| 22:31.37 | wurp2 | Well, mine is usable now |
| 22:31.56 | hhf423 | how many hours? |
| 22:32.02 | hhf423 | without recharge? |
| 22:32.37 | wurp2 | 4 |
| 22:32.38 | wurp2 | :-) |
| 22:32.51 | hhf423 | heh |
| 22:32.58 | wurp2 | I'm almost always at a charger |
| 22:33.23 | wurp2 | It went dead on me last week, but it was because I forgot to install my charge script after an update, so it wasn't fast charging at work |
| 22:33.27 | hhf423 | my iphone lasts longer even if I surf all the time and play song snipplets from itunes |
| 22:33.47 | wurp2 | Do you know what changes he made? Is it CPU speed, suspend & resume, or what? |
| 22:33.52 | hhf423 | ah, yeah, the fast charge issue. |
| 22:34.16 | hhf423 | actually, if I read his readme right then this should be vanilla openmoko |
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| 22:34.49 | hhf423 | see the readme here: http://celtune.morb-design.com/images/fic-gta01/?C=M;O=D |
| 22:35.01 | hhf423 | 1-news-warning-info |
| 22:35.17 | wurp2 | Oh, I was looking at that |
| 22:35.24 | wurp2 | nothing had leapt out at me yet |
| 22:35.28 | wurp2 | for power mgmt |
| 22:35.29 | hhf423 | I used the latest kernel he has there and the openmoko from feb 26 |
| 22:36.09 | hhf423 | you can always ask him when he is here the next time |
| 22:36.30 | hhf423 | wurp2: you are doing your own build or what? |
| 22:37.15 | wurp2 | hhf423: Nope |
| 22:37.42 | wurp2 | I just run the standard openmoko releases, usually based on kdean06's reviews |
| 22:38.21 | wurp2 | I don't think there's anything in 1-news-warning-info about power management |
| 22:39.04 | wurp2 | hhf423: Are you in "Dim, then lock" mode? |
| 22:39.25 | hhf423 | wurp2: yes |
| 22:39.32 | kdean06 | Great googly moogly... 64 GB solid state HD for $1,200 |
| 22:40.13 | hhf423 | outch, thats money |
| 22:40.18 | wurp2 | OK, so what it boils down to is that suspend & resume are working for you |
| 22:40.33 | wurp2 | Which they were before, at one point, or at least they were mostly working |
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| 22:40.48 | hhf423 | wurp2: well, what I can say after like 3 hours of looking at it |
| 22:45.11 | wurp2 | hhf423: Can you tell me exactly which jffs2 and kernel you're using? I'd love to try them... |
| 22:45.43 | hhf423 | kernel: http://celtune.morb-design.com/images/fic-gta01/uImage-2.6.24+svnr4144-r4110-r3-neo1973.bin |
| 22:46.31 | hhf423 | and then: http://celtune.morb-design.com/images/fic-gta01/OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080226-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 22:46.33 | wurp2 | hhf423: awesome, thanks! |
| 22:46.52 | hhf423 | no worries |
| 22:47.52 | hhf423 | I mean, I saw a few things in the change log wrt power management, but none of then stuck me as significant. |
| 22:48.07 | hhf423 | but then again I am not a developer, really |
| 22:48.32 | xt | ym is insignificant |
| 22:51.56 | wurp2 | I think you just ran across a version where the suspend & resume happen to work, as they did for a bit recently |
| 22:52.27 | hhf423 | wurp2: so its broken again in later versions? |
| 22:52.33 | wurp2 | But I assumed when that happened that it meant suspend & resume were more or less permanently happy (which was not the case) so I didn't run right out & download that version |
| 22:52.36 | wurp2 | Yep |
| 22:52.39 | hhf423 | would not surprise me |
| 22:52.49 | wurp2 | Resume was working for me (not on an incoming call, but when I pressed power) |
| 22:52.56 | wurp2 | then I updated & now resume doesn't work at all |
| 22:53.23 | hhf423 | yeah, they do not seem to test for things like that |
| 22:54.03 | hhf423 | wurp2: why did you not file a bug saying I was on X and worked and now I am on Y and it does no more? |
| 22:55.24 | wurp2 | Because I would really want to get good info on exactly what release it started failing in |
| 22:55.37 | wurp2 | and I don't really have time for that :-( |
| 22:55.47 | wurp2 | I should have logged a bug on it anyway, with the info I did have |
| 22:56.04 | hhf423 | yah |
| 22:57.34 | cesarb | wurp2: I saw my Konversation flashing red in the corner of the screen... |
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| 22:57.58 | mwester | hhf423: I don't think they test for anything, particularly. |
| 22:58.05 | wurp2 | Just taking your name in vain |
| 22:58.12 | wurp2 | re: cpufreq |
| 22:58.29 | mwester | There's no test suites defined for anything, so if it boots, it's good :( |
| 22:58.34 | hhf423 | mwester actually, I fear you are right |
| 22:59.49 | cesarb | wurp2: I've been too busy lately, unfortunately, so I had no progress for several weeks :( |
| 22:59.55 | wurp2 | bummer |
| 23:00.01 | wurp2 | I understand busy, though |
| 23:00.40 | cesarb | And to make things worse my brother is playing Wesnoth next to me... Must resist temptation... :D |
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| 23:04.37 | hhf423 | there are people seeling their GTA01 via the wiki? or a list of owners who will sell once gta02 is there? |
| 23:04.50 | wurp2 | yes |
| 23:05.40 | hhf423 | URL? |
| 23:06.08 | wurp2 | I dunno it offhand |
| 23:06.20 | hhf423 | I actually do not know what I will do with my GTA01 once I can buy GTA02. Its a piece of history... :-) |
| 23:06.25 | wurp2 | Search for 'selling' on the wiki, or dig through recent changes |
| 23:07.54 | wurp2 | I'm giving mine to my wife, I think |
| 23:08.30 | hhf423 | ah, second hand neo it is |
| 23:09.17 | hhf423 | ok, off to bed. see ya all later |
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| 23:30.09 | physioman | wtf is moko |
| 23:30.11 | physioman | mofo |
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| 23:49.11 | CVirus | [01:22] <physioman> wtf is moko |
| 23:49.11 | CVirus | [01:22] <physioman> mofo |
| 23:49.12 | CVirus | ROFL |
| 23:49.16 | CVirus | tard |
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