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| 01:59.24 | borg_ | someone with english skills here? |
| 01:59.30 | borg_ | "In other words, our abnormal preoccupation with BS" |
| 01:59.35 | borg_ | what does BS mean there? |
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| 02:01.49 | Sonic1 | borg_, it could be "Bullshit" |
| 02:02.03 | borg_ | ah |
| 02:02.05 | borg_ | makes sense |
| 02:02.07 | borg_ | thanks :) |
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| 08:02.17 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03tick * r4145 10/developers/tick/Test_env_script_GTA02A5/ (7 files): Adding some script for personal testing |
| 08:03.52 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03tick * r4146 10/developers/tick/Test_env_script_GTA02A5/setupenv: adding "without any warranty but with best wishes" |
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| 08:11.11 | methril | morning |
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| 08:12.22 | methril | someone can explain me one little thing? are about loading with a JTAG the U-boot into memory in OpenMoko |
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| 08:16.55 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 08:17.09 | methril | morning |
| 08:17.42 | xinliGG | morning |
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| 08:26.11 | ScaredyCat | borg_: I reckon it's "Bonsai Squirrels" |
| 08:27.09 | methril | <ScaredyCat>: Do u have ide of the device mmeory map? |
| 08:27.17 | methril | ups!! sorry, memory map |
| 08:27.35 | methril | i was reading the wiki about loading u-boot into RAM |
| 08:27.58 | ScaredyCat | oh man... |
| 08:28.00 | methril | and i saw some memory address |
| 08:28.06 | ScaredyCat | I tried that once... |
| 08:28.09 | ScaredyCat | ouch |
| 08:28.16 | methril | i'd like to understand this memoy addresses :D |
| 08:28.51 | ScaredyCat | you'll probably need to speak to mickey|zzZZzz then |
| 08:29.03 | methril | k |
| 08:29.08 | methril | qhen he wake up :D |
| 08:29.10 | methril | thanks |
| 08:29.24 | methril | i'll readed your posts in plante.openmoko |
| 08:29.26 | methril | nice work :D |
| 08:29.41 | ScaredyCat | yeah, he's really really lazy and never does any coding or anything ;) |
| 08:30.37 | methril | thanks |
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| 08:33.30 | doc|home | ScaredyCat: so, when can we buy a freerunner? |
| 08:33.58 | ScaredyCat | tomorrow... |
| 08:34.42 | ScaredyCat | ooooerrrr missus |
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| 08:35.38 | raster | ewwwww |
| 08:35.42 | raster | you sick little pussy |
| 08:35.44 | raster | :) |
| 08:36.17 | ScaredyCat | :D |
| 08:36.32 | doc|home | hehehe |
| 08:38.53 | ScaredyCat | yeah, but with the penis version, the screen gets bigger when you rub it |
| 08:39.09 | doc|home | yeah, but sometimes its battery leaks and then it just stops working |
| 08:39.13 | methril | openmoko channel gets sex channel |
| 08:39.20 | doc|home | are we done with this analogy now? :o |
| 08:40.19 | ScaredyCat | yes |
| 08:40.25 | doc|home | phew! |
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| 08:42.32 | raster | sick sick puppies and pussies |
| 08:42.34 | raster | :) |
| 08:42.59 | methril | hottie morning in the channel!! |
| 08:43.07 | methril | :) |
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| 09:09.41 | josch | raster, http://illume.projects.openmoko.org/ <= !! |
| 09:10.02 | josch | I'm defineatly going to drop all of gtk if I get a efl browser into my hands |
| 09:10.10 | josch | efl on the neo is the best! |
| 09:10.15 | josch | thanks raster !! |
| 09:10.23 | raster | browser eh |
| 09:10.26 | raster | not working on that |
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| 09:10.35 | raster | for now just what it says there |
| 09:10.39 | raster | its just the desktop bit |
| 09:10.41 | raster | not apps |
| 09:10.46 | josch | raster, i know but k-s told me that the indt guys are working on webkit+efl |
| 09:10.54 | raster | yes - they are |
| 09:10.57 | markun | is anyone familiar with the DFU-Util? |
| 09:11.01 | raster | i'll check it out in a few weeks @ bossa |
| 09:11.08 | josch | wohoo |
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| 09:20.11 | hrw | markun: define familiar |
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| 09:26.11 | methril | raste is a lucky guy |
| 09:26.21 | methril | it's going to bossa!! i'm jealous :D |
| 09:28.06 | josch | who's not?? |
| 09:28.57 | markun | hrw: I was wondering if the "Dfu-util is currently broken on big-endian architectures" applied to the device or to the computer, but I figured it must be the computer. |
| 09:30.25 | markun | hrw: I'm planing to port rockbox (a open source firmware for mp3 players) to a player called Meizu M6 which has DFU as a recovery mode. I looked for open source tools and found DFU-Util. |
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| 09:35.06 | hrw | markun: dfu-util on big-endian host |
| 09:35.51 | hrw | markun: but is it still broken I do not know |
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| 10:04.37 | josch | raster, is illume supposed to be crosscompiled on the desktop? if i compile on openmoko I get: |
| 10:04.37 | josch | ./configure: ./configure.lineno: 21635: Syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")") |
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| 10:06.36 | raster | josch: works for me (tm) |
| 10:06.45 | raster | josch: and i'm using OM/OE to build it |
| 10:06.52 | raster | admittedly i cooked up my own .bb files |
| 10:06.56 | josch | raster, do you supply a bb for it? |
| 10:06.57 | raster | along with re rest of e/efl |
| 10:07.02 | raster | nup i dont |
| 10:07.08 | raster | i have my own private ones |
| 10:07.27 | raster | these bguild directly from my src tree - they dont need src tarballs or cvs checkouts etc. |
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| 10:08.01 | josch | I suppose I have to build my own bb then |
| 10:08.21 | raster | i can put them in svn if u want them |
| 10:08.24 | raster | u'll have to customis them |
| 10:08.28 | raster | customise them |
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| 10:08.57 | raster | i.e they have paths like: |
| 10:09.00 | raster | SRC_URI = "file://${HOME}/work/illume" |
| 10:09.09 | josch | raster, of course I want to try it out ^^ |
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| 10:10.48 | josch | raster, we at #neo1973-germany (the openmoko underground guys) are eager to get more efl on our neos :-D |
| 10:10.56 | raster | sure |
| 10:10.59 | raster | ummm.. |
| 10:11.01 | raster | give me a bit |
| 10:11.04 | josch | np |
| 10:11.06 | raster | just a sec |
| 10:11.09 | josch | :-) |
| 10:11.15 | raster | i am actually just building ipk's for all of it |
| 10:11.24 | josch | ah! great! |
| 10:11.44 | raster | i want to upload and test something. |
| 10:11.50 | raster | then i'll put my bb's up |
| 10:11.55 | raster | note |
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| 10:12.02 | raster | i build all of efl and e from e development cvs |
| 10:12.28 | raster | not from snapshot tarballs or datestamp snapsif u want illume to work u will need to have your efl builds also workign directly from e cvs |
| 10:12.36 | josch | okay |
| 10:12.38 | raster | my .bb files do just that |
| 10:12.45 | raster | they build directly from my working cvs tree |
| 10:12.53 | raster | so my .bb's have no version # |
| 10:13.05 | raster | they are "whatever was in my src tree when i built them" |
| 10:13.13 | raster | is the fastest way to actually do development :) |
| 10:13.41 | xcasex | raster, i've been promoted. |
| 10:13.47 | josch | since we all have our e17_cvs checkout I suppose this is no problem ^^ |
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| 10:17.01 | raster | xcasex: to what? :) |
| 10:17.06 | raster | josch: excellent. |
| 10:17.32 | xcasex | raster, system architect. java ;_; |
| 10:18.01 | raster | ewww |
| 10:18.02 | raster | java :( |
| 10:18.08 | methril | java :( |
| 10:18.13 | josch | java :( |
| 10:18.14 | xcasex | raster, :( |
| 10:18.16 | methril | C is the true :) |
| 10:18.20 | raster | xcasex: my sympathies :( |
| 10:18.28 | xcasex | raster, tyvm |
| 10:18.40 | raster | xcasex: plus points for the systems architect, minus for the java :( |
| 10:19.53 | methril | i've started with Java |
| 10:20.18 | methril | for me it's the young brother of C++ :) |
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| 10:23.57 | florian | good morning |
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| 10:24.49 | raster | oh crud |
| 10:24.55 | raster | that packaging problem again |
| 10:25.00 | raster | grrrrr |
| 10:25.31 | methril | raster how u started with .bb? |
| 10:25.58 | methril | i'm reading about it but it's a long dependencies system |
| 10:27.08 | raster | ummmm |
| 10:27.15 | raster | i juwt stole existing ones and hacked em up |
| 10:27.30 | raster | grrrr |
| 10:27.30 | raster | segv |
| 10:27.38 | methril | uff!! you're really bussy today :) |
| 10:28.14 | raster | well i just wrote this code |
| 10:28.31 | raster | but i havent been able to run it as i need a 2.6.24 kernel with the new battery sys power class stuff |
| 10:28.37 | raster | and my desktops are all 2.6.22 |
| 10:28.47 | raster | my gta02 frerruuner tho is 2.6.24.... |
| 10:28.50 | methril | update your desktop kernel |
| 10:28.55 | raster | i was adding full battery support for that |
| 10:28.59 | raster | but it seems i screwed up |
| 10:29.00 | raster | boo |
| 10:29.04 | raster | bah |
| 10:29.05 | methril | hehehe |
| 10:29.08 | raster | thats too much pain |
| 10:29.31 | raster | found it |
| 10:29.32 | raster | ... |
| 10:29.33 | raster | i think |
| 10:29.34 | raster | :) |
| 10:29.36 | methril | :) |
| 10:29.44 | madwoota | kernel means a reboot |
| 10:29.51 | raster | silliness on myh part with the uevent fd handler |
| 10:29.55 | madwoota | havent rebooted since the last kernel :P |
| 10:29.57 | methril | another one that doesn't like reboots |
| 10:29.58 | raster | forgot to pass in sysev as i intended |
| 10:29.59 | methril | :) |
| 10:37.46 | markun | hrw: from the commit logs I gather that it should be working on big-endian hosts again, but I don't have such a machine to test on anyway. |
| 10:39.39 | hrw | neither do I |
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| 10:58.03 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03chris * r4147 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-dialer2/ (ChangeLog src/phone-kit/moko-sms.c): |
| 10:58.03 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * src/phone-kit/moko-sms.c: (on_incoming_sms): |
| 10:58.03 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Move g_utf16_to_utf8 outside of the for loop - error inserted by |
| 10:58.03 | CIA-16 | openmoko: myself while integrating previous patch |
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| 11:02.11 | *** topic/#openmoko is Welcome to the OpenMoko support and discussion channel! | http://openmoko.org/ | New version is the FreeRunner (with WiFi...) maybe due April | Official status: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates |
| 11:05.06 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4148 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/ChangeLog.ipkg: opkg: restore original ipkg ChangeLog |
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| 11:45.04 | guaqua | i'm having trouble unsubscribing from the mailing lists |
| 11:45.08 | guaqua | are there some known issues? |
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| 12:33.41 | methril | mickey |
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| 12:34.15 | methril | i'd made a question about the howto in the Booting the Openmoko in RAM with JTAG and openocd |
| 12:34.34 | methril | and tell me that you're the guru :) |
| 12:35.44 | methril | you tell to set a break point in the 0x33f80000 memory location |
| 12:36.09 | methril | and the loads the memory binary at that point |
| 12:36.22 | methril | (teh u-boot) |
| 12:37.11 | methril | looking in the SMC datasheet i can not find any memorya map reference to that location |
| 12:38.25 | methril | sorry, samsung datasheet (um_s3c2442b_rev12.pdf) |
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| 14:24.29 | Man_of_Wax | hi |
| 14:24.46 | gambler | hi |
| 14:25.13 | Man_of_Wax | i can't build openmoko with mokomake |
| 14:25.49 | gambler | join the club |
| 14:26.00 | Man_of_Wax | this is my error: http://rafb.net/p/876HLp18.html |
| 14:28.17 | Man_of_Wax | lol |
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| 14:30.24 | Man_of_Wax | i've tried to build openmoko in my laptop too. But it was building python_$somthing for about 13 hours before i stopped it :P |
| 14:30.53 | Man_of_Wax | i don't think it's normal :| |
| 14:31.05 | ynezz | it is |
| 14:31.15 | ynezz | but it depends on the machine you're building on |
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| 14:31.58 | Man_of_Wax | ynezz: i'm building on a core2duo 1.6GhZ 4MB L2 cache whith 2GiB 667Mhz ram |
| 14:32.04 | ScaredyCat | are you all building with om or oe dev |
| 14:32.11 | Man_of_Wax | with -j4 optimization |
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| 14:32.49 | ScaredyCat | Man_of_Wax: a clean first build takes a loooooooooooooooooong time... |
| 14:32.57 | ScaredyCat | subsequent builds are quicker |
| 14:33.08 | Sup3rkiddo | way loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong |
| 14:33.37 | Man_of_Wax | ScaredyCat: but 13 hours and i was still on 396 of 52xx things to build |
| 14:33.54 | ynezz | if it's building it's ok |
| 14:34.02 | Man_of_Wax | omg |
| 14:34.24 | Man_of_Wax | i can't keep my pc compiling for weeks -_- |
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| 14:35.10 | mwester | Man_of_Wax: The tasks are not identical units of time; you are probably half way done already. |
| 14:35.19 | Man_of_Wax | ok |
| 14:35.24 | ScaredyCat | what are you compilong on a bbc micro? |
| 14:35.51 | ynezz | 15:32:12 < Man_of_Wax> ynezz: i'm building on a core2duo 1.6GhZ 4MB L2 cache whith 2GiB 667Mhz ram |
| 14:36.16 | mwester | Dual core 2.4GHz cpu, 2GB 667MHz RAM, -j 3 switch, with locale generation disabled takes about 7 hours for me. |
| 14:36.22 | ScaredyCat | well, that's btter than my lappy |
| 14:36.45 | ScaredyCat | turning locale generation it a very very good idea |
| 14:36.57 | Man_of_Wax | ScaredyCat: already done |
| 14:37.00 | methril | re |
| 14:37.01 | xcasex | i'll time it on the quadcore box tonight ;D |
| 14:37.12 | Man_of_Wax | xcasex: lol |
| 14:37.40 | Sup3rkiddo | ~lart mwester |
| 14:37.40 | apt | cuts off mwester's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper |
| 14:37.43 | xcasex | mwester, mmmm paravirtualization |
| 14:37.52 | Man_of_Wax | why the buliding is so slow? It take less time to compile the whole gnome + X.org |
| 14:37.56 | xcasex | mwester, vmware w. linux & 3 virt. cpus |
| 14:38.29 | mwester | xcasex: Vmware only supports dual cpus in the virtual machine. I didn't know that when I installed Windows on this thing. |
| 14:38.42 | xcasex | ouch |
| 14:38.47 | mwester | Yeah. |
| 14:39.41 | mwester | I should have done it the other way around: install Linux on the box, and run XP in the virtual machine! |
| 14:39.56 | Man_of_Wax | i'm starting make in my laptop right now, is there some command to resume the build or mokomake do it by default? |
| 14:39.57 | methril | whe re can i find the lowlevel_foo source code |
| 14:40.17 | mwester | Man_of_Wax: it will just work by default. |
| 14:40.26 | Man_of_Wax | ok |
| 14:41.11 | ScaredyCat | Man_of_Wax: you shut the lid on your lappy... move to mew location open up and resume |
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| 14:45.23 | Man_of_Wax | ScaredyCat: i put the laptop upside down on my desk for preventig overheating :P |
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| 14:51.44 | Man_of_Wax | holy shit! It finished to compile! |
| 14:52.18 | zash | congrats! |
| 14:52.38 | Man_of_Wax | it takes 13 hours + 5 mins -_- |
| 14:52.57 | methril | mine takes almost 24 hours |
| 14:52.58 | methril | :D |
| 14:53.16 | Sup3rkiddo | mine took 36 |
| 14:54.09 | ScaredyCat | mine took 11 years 5weeks 6 days 4 hours 15 minutes and 32 seconds.... |
| 14:54.34 | Sup3rkiddo | mine took "42" |
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| 14:54.46 | zash | ScaredyCat: dont forget the 53 milliseconds |
| 14:54.56 | PBeck | moin moin |
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| 14:57.28 | methril | hahaha |
| 14:58.05 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03graeme * r4149 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/misc/alsa-state-files/ (5 files in 2 dirs): |
| 14:58.05 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Add proper sound states for fic-gta02 to SVN. These will be the golden |
| 14:58.05 | CIA-16 | openmoko: states to use from now on, all diffs should be against these states. |
| 14:58.05 | Man_of_Wax | i can't chroot in mokobox folder O_o |
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| 15:09.44 | zedstar | is .../openembedded/packages/* a way to get the current list of supported bitbake recipes? |
| 15:10.33 | mwester | s/supported// |
| 15:11.22 | zedstar | ok..list of recipes :) |
| 15:12.02 | zedstar | if i want to see if a recipe exists is that where to look in other words |
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| 15:12.29 | mwester | Actually, "find .../openembedded/packages -name '*.bb'" would be better; there are some recipes that are (or at least were) in subdirs. |
| 15:13.17 | zedstar | sure....but this is the area to look at then? |
| 15:14.02 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03werner * r4150 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (nor-bootmenu.patch series): (log message trimmed) |
| 15:14.02 | CIA-16 | openmoko: This patch makes u-boot on GTA02 always enter the bootmenu when booting from |
| 15:14.02 | CIA-16 | openmoko: NOR. This de-complexifies interaction with the user and is actually also |
| 15:14.02 | CIA-16 | openmoko: needed for correctly handling the exception vectors. |
| 15:14.04 | CIA-16 | openmoko: nor-bootmenu.patch: |
| 15:14.06 | CIA-16 | openmoko: - cpu/arm920t/start.S (booted_from_nor): set this flag if booting from NOR |
| 15:14.08 | CIA-16 | openmoko: - board/neo1973/gta02/gta02.c (board_late_init): always enter the boot menu if |
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| 16:06.54 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03werner * r4151 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (nor-irqvec.patch series): (log message trimmed) |
| 16:06.54 | CIA-16 | openmoko: If we boot from NOR, the exception vectors are provided by the NOR as well. |
| 16:06.54 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Once the AUX button is released, SteppingStone appears at address 0, giving |
| 16:06.54 | CIA-16 | openmoko: us invalid exception vectors. Thus, any subsequent interrupt would crash |
| 16:06.55 | CIA-16 | openmoko: the system. This patch makes u-boot wait until AUX is released, copies the |
| 16:06.57 | CIA-16 | openmoko: exception vectors into SteppingStone, and only then proceeds to enable |
| 16:06.59 | CIA-16 | openmoko: interrupts. |
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| 16:23.34 | Maxou | hello everybody |
| 16:23.38 | Maxou | :) |
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| 16:50.10 | CIA-16 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r89 10/trunk/software/pyneod/ (pyggld.py pyneod.ini): pyneod: don't use pyggld for now, don't use ent for now |
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| 16:51.30 | CIA-16 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r90 10/trunk/software/pyneod/pyneod.ini: pyneod: don't use MUXer for now (demo) |
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| 17:49.49 | marcio | quick question: im a soft developer from brazil. Can I buy an openmoko already? :) |
| 17:50.05 | Blastur | no, they are all out i think |
| 17:50.15 | Blastur | you can get a second hand unit from eBay if you are lucky |
| 17:51.17 | Blastur | note that this is the developer preview unit, if you want the fully featured device called Freerunner, you will have to wait a few more months |
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| 17:52.51 | marcio | right |
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| 17:53.10 | marcio | do you think we eill have something ready for the public this year? |
| 17:53.14 | marcio | *will |
| 17:53.27 | Blastur | most likely before june at least |
| 17:53.35 | marcio | thats great =) |
| 17:53.41 | Blastur | read this marcio: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-February/013555.html |
| 17:53.48 | marcio | thanks. |
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| 18:14.49 | elation | Anyone got any idea if, an 8GB card will work with the freerunner ? |
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| 18:15.08 | jamewill | yep all sizes ok accord kernel dves |
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| 18:22.50 | marcio | cool :) |
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| 18:29.23 | emre_ | is there anyone here, flashed the uboot without having the debug board? |
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| 18:30.05 | jamewill | not me but there was a guy said he did 7 or 8 times.... no probs .. |
| 18:30.25 | emre_ | but, do i need to nand erase first? |
| 18:30.56 | jamewill | nand erase = complete erase = brick |
| 18:31.16 | emre_ | ok, but otherwise it will write incorrect = brick anyway :) |
| 18:31.25 | jamewill | but good to erase rootfs and kernel in case new image is smaller than old |
| 18:31.28 | mjr | that mostly applies to the jffs2 partition |
| 18:31.37 | mjr | but note that I haven't flashed uboot |
| 18:31.40 | wurp2 | emre_: Just "nand erase rootfs" if you're replacing jffs |
| 18:31.45 | wurp2 | yeah, what mjr said :-) |
| 18:32.33 | emre_ | ok, so now I'm flashing the uboot now without erasing the uboot partition and with fingers crossed. |
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| 18:35.32 | wurp2 | I'm waiting for there to be a change I care about in uboot before I update |
| 18:35.40 | wurp2 | which afaik so far hasn't happened |
| 18:35.57 | emre_ | sd boot. |
| 18:36.03 | wurp2 | ah, yeah |
| 18:36.24 | wurp2 | I've been happy w/ boot from flash + my scripts to set stuff up the way I like after a flash |
| 18:36.49 | wurp2 | ln -s the card to /home/root, install apps, & such |
| 18:37.40 | emre_ | i've tried to do the same thing with /usr but couldn't be successful so far :) |
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| 18:47.51 | emre_ | is there anybody booting from sd here? |
| 18:51.30 | mmontour | emre_: I boot from SD |
| 18:52.06 | wurp2 | emre_: Were you ln -s to /usr to keep apps you had installed? |
| 18:52.08 | emre_ | i'm having problems... have you done anything else other than written in the wiki page? |
| 18:52.24 | wurp2 | Because you can add dest card /media/card/ipkg to your ipkg.conf for that |
| 18:52.38 | emre_ | wurp2: cool, i didn't know that.. |
| 18:52.54 | mmontour | The main issue right now is the 2.6.24 kernel, which for a while had broken SD-card support. I'm still using 2.6.22.5 |
| 18:53.03 | emre_ | ok, i.c. |
| 18:53.28 | wurp2 | You have to install ipkg-link to your flash every time you reflash, and then run it, but after that all your apps are back - you don't have to reinstall them all individually |
| 18:53.36 | mmontour | I haven't reviewed the wiki instructions recently. What problem are you having? |
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| 18:54.08 | emre_ | it keeps writing stuff on the screen which i cannot read because of the scroll speed. |
| 18:54.15 | emre_ | so, no idea on what's going on :) |
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| 18:55.50 | emre_ | wurp2: what is ipkg-link? |
| 19:01.10 | mjr | a tool to link (for example) packages installed on the card to the root fs so they're transparently usable |
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| 19:02.18 | mmontour | That sounds like the kernel issue. I think there's a config option to turn off that debugging, but I haven't had time to try it myself. |
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| 19:05.59 | wurp2 | Yeah, as mjr said - after you install your packages to the card, they won't work until you ipkg-link them |
| 19:06.08 | wurp2 | but one ipkg-link mount command will link 'em all |
| 19:06.44 | wurp2 | And if your reason for moving to SD boot is lack of space for packages, ipkg-link and a card dest in ipkg.conf will solve that for you |
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| 19:09.48 | elation | Is there any plans when it comes to openmoko + dmcrypt ? |
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| 19:22.05 | polz | has anyone here come up with a mixer setting which doesn't produce an echo on the other side of the line yet ? |
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| 20:03.23 | wurp2 | polz: Any recent-ish release shouldn't have echo |
| 20:03.41 | wurp2 | Check out Category:Snapshot_Review on the wiki |
| 20:03.51 | polz | hmm... |
| 20:04.02 | polz | which ipkg are the alsa states supposed to be in ? |
| 20:04.08 | wurp2 | There are also instructions for fixing the issue, but releases in the last couple of weeks are clean |
| 20:04.34 | wurp2 | I dunno... are the base files like that even in ipkgs? |
| 20:05.15 | wurp2 | There's a sideband setting that you turn all the way down |
| 20:05.42 | wurp2 | But again, it's all there in the snapshot reviews. If you want to fix it yourself, look at one of the january snapshots |
| 20:05.53 | wurp2 | Or install a feb snapshot and it should be gone already |
| 20:12.19 | polz | I'm using qtopia |
| 20:12.39 | polz | so I'll just try copying the alsa state files over from the snapshot rootfs |
| 20:12.43 | wurp2 | polz: oh |
| 20:13.05 | wurp2 | Well, if you're on qtopia, applying the fix from a january snapshot's instructions will prolly be esaier |
| 20:13.12 | wurp2 | s/esai/easi/ |
| 20:15.00 | wurp2 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:TonyGarnockJones at the bottom of the page |
| 20:15.08 | wurp2 | is the instructions to update your alsa file |
| 20:15.13 | wurp2 | gotta go for a while |
| 20:15.50 | polz | too late |
| 20:16.10 | polz | I've already copied the files over |
| 20:18.01 | piksi | how sturdy is the neo body? |
| 20:18.06 | polz | aaw, crap |
| 20:18.10 | polz | now nothing works |
| 20:18.16 | piksi | compared to e.g. nokia e90? |
| 20:18.23 | piksi | i watched the pictures of opening the case |
| 20:18.27 | piksi | and it seemed quite fragile plasciv |
| 20:19.04 | polz | wurp2: oh, and it wasn't echoing _my_ voice, it was echoing the voice of whoever I was trying to talk to |
| 20:19.44 | mwester | polz: The plastic case is fairly flexible, but it is actually thicker than my other phones' cases. |
| 20:20.02 | mwester | er, that's piksi that was asking... sorry. |
| 20:20.51 | polz | piksi: btw, with a screen that big, I don't think you want to be too rough on the phone |
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| 20:33.56 | piksi | mwester: what kind of phones are you referring to? |
| 20:34.48 | mwester | Treo 650, MPX220 are the two I've taken apart. The cases on those are significantly more flimsy and delicate than the Neo. |
| 20:35.13 | XorA | Neo is the only phone Ive ever had to lever open :-) |
| 20:35.33 | piksi | polz: of course not but i'd expect it to be sturdy enough not to twist/bend/break. |
| 20:35.59 | piksi | (easily) |
| 20:36.29 | piksi | polz: besides 2,8" isn't *that* big or well - at least here in finland all nokia models get a rough test in normal usage and mostly survive without any probs |
| 20:37.02 | piksi | i'd expect the same from neo screen (or more) than from e90 inside screen |
| 20:38.09 | polz | piksi: well, it doesn't bend |
| 20:38.33 | polz | piksi: and I don't want to test whether it can break or not |
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| 21:11.00 | marcio | cya |
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| 23:14.18 | Psi_ | does the latest buildhost image have a working top status bar? |
| 23:21.08 | wurp2 | The top status bar flakes out on me periodically with almost all releases |
| 23:21.19 | wurp2 | Where do you see an 'underground' image? |
| 23:21.37 | Psi_ | the latest buildhost say it |
| 23:21.48 | Psi_ | moko-underground-image-fic-gta01.jffs2 |
| 23:21.54 | wurp2 | the daily one? |
| 23:21.58 | Psi_ | yeah |
| 23:21.59 | wurp2 | that is weird |
| 23:22.01 | Psi_ | its also smaller |
| 23:22.03 | dvarnes | Psi_: see Mickey's blog from FOSDEM .. watch the video .. very cool |
| 23:22.08 | Psi_ | ok |
| 23:22.18 | wurp2 | Oh, is the underground image the pyneo image! |
| 23:22.19 | wurp2 | ? |
| 23:22.22 | dvarnes | yes |
| 23:22.36 | wurp2 | Awesome! I gotta get me some of that :-) |
| 23:22.57 | wurp2 | I couldn't find any web pages with info about that platform, though |
| 23:25.31 | wurp2 | Psi_: I don't see the underground image on the daily builds site (http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/?C=M;O=D) |
| 23:26.14 | Psi_ | my mistake, ive always been going here http://buildhost.automated.it/OM2007.2/ |
| 23:26.34 | wurp2 | I see |
| 23:26.40 | wurp2 | It's ScaredyCat's repository |
| 23:26.55 | wurp2 | Which is the last place I would expect to see a build based on python, or nearly so :-) |
| 23:26.58 | Psi_ | it always seems to have both ScaredyCat and a normal image |
| 23:28.00 | wurp2 | Ah, maybe he keeps both up to date |
| 23:28.21 | wurp2 | Anyone have an idea what kernel goes with underground? |
| 23:28.30 | Psi_ | no idea |
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| 23:40.13 | Psi_ | what are the .summary files? |
| 23:40.40 | wurp2 | no idea |
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| 23:53.33 | Psi_ | hm.. the gta01 internal psu doesnt make a very happy sound if you pull the battery out while its got usb power |
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| 23:55.14 | mwester | Psi_: yes, it's generally a bad thing to do according the OM folks, as apparently it may result in the magic smoke being let out of the PMU chip. |
| 23:55.23 | Psi_ | yeah |
| 23:55.55 | Psi_ | i done it twice by accident and pulled out the plug quickly |
| 23:56.34 | Psi_ | it really does sound like the switchmode reg is getting quite upset :P |
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