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| 03:22.19 | rtm_ | Not that this matters, but I notice that gzip runs once every minute or do on my neo1973 (I see it on top). Does anyone know why gzip runs periodically? |
| 03:23.22 | mwester | Did you install the gllin driver for the GPS? |
| 03:23.29 | rtm_ | Yes. |
| 03:23.45 | mwester | That's probably it then. |
| 03:24.03 | rtm_ | Wht's being compressed? |
| 03:24.19 | SpeedEvil | the gps datastream? |
| 03:24.26 | mjr | the default script gzips nmea to /root |
| 03:24.32 | mwester | The output from the gllin driver needs to be "consumed" or it exits. |
| 03:24.34 | mjr | /home/root |
| 03:25.52 | rtm_ | Oh, so it's compressing the log while shows up in /home/root/log ? I had problems with that - I had to re-direct it to the RAM area, or else if completely filled my flash with log files. |
| 03:26.10 | rtm_ | Thanks for the info. |
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| 05:56.58 | CM | Wtf.. Is monotone.openmoko.org down? |
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| 07:51.33 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 07:53.02 | CM | Morning :) |
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| 08:14.07 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: I updated to the 2/28 image and kernel, and now I get the same behavior when my neo wakes from suspend as you were |
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| 08:27.53 | Stephmw | good morning |
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| 08:34.24 | ScaredyCat | mornin |
| 08:34.43 | ScaredyCat | ok, so not just a ScaredyCat issue then wurp2 :) |
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| 09:03.59 | CM | Anyone with some bitbake knowledge awake? http://pastie.caboo.se/160028 |
| 09:05.38 | CM | I'm on python 2.5.1 |
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| 09:31.32 | ScaredyCat | have you tried the bitbake yourself? |
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| 09:33.08 | ScaredyCat | "ERROR: no files to build." certainly doens't look right for a start |
| 09:34.03 | ScaredyCat | and your status line is basically saying you have no bb files at all |
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| 09:40.10 | PBeck | hi |
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| 09:52.48 | ScaredyCat | the toolchain build is broken anyway CM |
| 09:52.53 | ScaredyCat | lo PBeck |
| 09:54.40 | PBeck_ | hi ScaredyCat :) |
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| 10:26.03 | CM | ScaredyCat: Ok, thanks. I'll try again to do the basic setup |
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| 12:41.38 | CM | FUD: http://www.t2-project.org/targets/neo1973/ <- "the properitary, OE-only, bitbake" |
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| 12:47.43 | ScaredyCat | wtf is T2 ? |
| 12:47.57 | ScaredyCat | and if bitbake is propriatory - isn't 't2' ? |
| 12:48.00 | ScaredyCat | twats |
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| 12:50.41 | CM | ScaredyCat: Don't you remember when that t2 guy was in here whining and being an ass? |
| 12:51.03 | ScaredyCat | no, I probably erased the memory |
| 12:51.05 | CM | And a propriatory bitbake? It's on berlios.. |
| 12:51.19 | CM | He wasn't exactly polite |
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| 14:04.22 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03werner * r4144 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta01-pcf50606.patch: |
| 14:04.22 | CIA-16 | openmoko: gta01-pcf50606.patch: |
| 14:04.22 | CIA-16 | openmoko: - drivers/i2c/chips/pcf50606.c (pcf50606_detect): create a sysfs symlink from |
| 14:04.22 | CIA-16 | openmoko: gta01-pm-gps.0 to neo1973-pm-gps.0, for gllin compatibility |
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| 14:12.54 | Man_of_Wax | Hi all, I can't build openmoko-devel-image. This is the error: http://rafb.net/p/GhHGE575.html+ |
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| 15:58.00 | mwester | g'mornin' |
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| 16:04.20 | DukeOfURL | mornin |
| 16:05.30 | Wonko_ | hello! |
| 16:06.06 | Wonko_ | i am a bit confused about the state of accelerometers in openmoko.. |
| 16:06.23 | Wonko_ | will there be one? |
| 16:06.37 | Wonko_ | how precise is it going to be? |
| 16:07.20 | mjr | 1) openmoko is software 2) freerunner will have two accelerometers, don't expect to inertially navigate with them |
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| 16:17.16 | Wonko_ | would the freerunner accelerometers suffice to operate a 3d pong pedal? |
| 16:18.20 | mjr | Dunno, sorry. SpeedEvil might have had some idea of what to expect from them. As might internal developers with access to testing hardware, 'course... |
| 16:18.34 | SpeedEvil | Wonko_: they can tell down pretty well |
| 16:18.44 | SpeedEvil | Wonko_: what do you expect from a 3D pong pedal? |
| 16:19.21 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Accelerometer |
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| 16:21.07 | Wonko_ | Basically what i was thinking about is this: |
| 16:21.58 | Wonko_ | You hold the phone first in the lower left corner tip the screen then in the upper right corner and touch the screen again |
| 16:22.15 | Wonko_ | with this you would get the dimensions of the playing field |
| 16:22.42 | mjr | sounds like wanting inertial navigation :] |
| 16:22.46 | SpeedEvil | You mean you want position of the phone - not acceleration? |
| 16:22.52 | SpeedEvil | In which case, absolutely not. |
| 16:23.08 | Wonko_ | now, when you move the phone in this area, a pedal would move to "precisely" the location on the playing field... |
| 16:23.11 | Wonko_ | not possible? |
| 16:23.30 | SpeedEvil | The acellerometers in the neo have on the order of 10cm/s^2 error |
| 16:23.45 | SpeedEvil | so after 5s - 50cm/s and 2.5m error |
| 16:23.55 | Wonko_ | hehe :) |
| 16:24.01 | Wonko_ | that would not work |
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| 16:24.26 | SpeedEvil | Best in class ones are of the order of ten times better than that - but that's still 25cm error after 5s |
| 16:24.53 | Wonko_ | how about precision in tilting? |
| 16:25.12 | Wonko_ | will it be able to precisely tell at what angle the sensor is to the gravity axis? |
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| 16:28.34 | Wonko_ | ok, it's there on the page |
| 16:29.21 | Wonko_ | as far as i understand you are able to tell if the screen has been rotated 90 degrees for example |
| 16:31.13 | Wonko_ | but "It will probably not be good enough for keeping a map aligned when you turn in place." |
| 16:36.52 | SpeedEvil | It can tell the direction of the gravity axis |
| 16:37.21 | SpeedEvil | turning in place is an example of telling the rotation around the gravity axis - which it can't do. |
| 16:38.02 | SpeedEvil | (in principle, with arbitrarily sensitive accelerometers, it can, in practice with these ones, not at all. |
| 16:38.20 | Wonko_ | mhmm |
| 16:38.28 | Wonko_ | ok thanks for the info |
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| 16:39.15 | Wonko_ | i'd love to write a game for the openmoko/freerunner for my batchelor thesis... |
| 16:39.47 | Wonko_ | i thought the pong idea would be great, now i have to find something different that has a good chance of being accepted :/ |
| 16:42.52 | peepsalot | first step in writing a bachelor thesis: knowing how to spell bachelor :-P |
| 16:43.24 | Wonko_ | hehehe ^^ |
| 16:44.09 | Wonko_ | phew, i have an excuse there: this is not my mother tongue ;) |
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| 18:41.50 | s0u][ight | hi guys |
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| 18:49.41 | CVirus | s0u][ight: yo |
| 18:50.04 | s0u][ight | hey good to see you again :D |
| 18:50.43 | s0u][ight | is it possible to run openmoko on the iphone? |
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| 18:52.54 | mjr | sure, if you hack the iphone, reverse engineer the hardware and write linux drivers for it |
| 18:53.22 | s0u][ight | like the broadcom drivers? |
| 18:53.26 | s0u][ight | naah |
| 18:53.46 | mjr | _or_ |
| 18:53.52 | mjr | convince apple to make the port ;] |
| 18:54.08 | s0u][ight | in fact your right |
| 18:54.20 | s0u][ight | u"ll never know |
| 18:55.26 | s0u][ight | did someone had contact with apple before about this? |
| 18:55.49 | mjr | doubtful, since we do know |
| 18:56.12 | mjr | their whole corporate culture is against openness |
| 18:56.41 | s0u][ight | it is possible to run linux on their pc's |
| 18:56.48 | s0u][ight | so why not on there phones |
| 18:57.17 | mjr | I'm too fluish to whack more clue into you |
| 18:58.37 | s0u][ight | or they could make their own linux driver |
| 18:58.42 | s0u][ight | drivers |
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| 21:30.38 | CM | Bah.. Rebuilt from scratch and still failing on pth |
| 21:32.56 | CM | ScaredyCat: Hehe.. Great blogpost! :D |
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| 21:42.52 | spydon | does anyone know which colors freerunner will ship in? :P |
| 21:43.23 | CM | "You can have it in any color you like as long as it's ..." ;) |
| 21:43.28 | Daveman | ;) |
| 21:49.15 | zash | probably same as before + all black |
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| 22:06.57 | Jorgeando | hi |
| 22:09.17 | CVirus | hello |
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| 22:11.55 | white_gecko | hello |
| 22:12.08 | CVirus | hi |
| 22:12.26 | white_gecko | where can i find the sourcecode of the multimedia application of openmoko? |
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| 22:16.41 | wurp2 | white_gecko: Check out http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mokomakefile |
| 22:19.15 | white_gecko | but then i have the whole openmoko |
| 22:19.36 | white_gecko | i only want the multimedia app to ru it on my desktop |
| 22:19.37 | SpeedEvil | It's only a few terabytes. |
| 22:27.54 | white_gecko | hm |
| 22:30.19 | Tronic | Btw, is it possible to compile and run OpenMoko on PC? |
| 22:30.28 | Tronic | Just to play with the UI. |
| 22:30.53 | zash | qemu!! |
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| 22:31.13 | Tronic | zash: I bet that it cannot emulate the phone's gadgets :/ |
| 22:31.17 | CIA-16 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r88 10/trunk/software/pyneog/ (80pyneog Xsession.d.pyneog): pyneog: rename Xsession script |
| 22:31.34 | Tronic | ... and compiling stuff from source, the arch shouldn't matter. |
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| 22:33.29 | white_gecko | but wher can i get a several programm of openmoko? |
| 22:33.34 | white_gecko | wer are the sources? |
| 22:34.01 | mickeyl | svn.openmoko.org; with some stuff at svn.o-hand.com |
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| 22:44.32 | white_gecko | ok i have it: http://svn.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-mediaplayer2/ |
| 22:44.35 | white_gecko | thanks |
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| 23:18.49 | bmk789 | where do i find out where 850/900mhz is used in my area? |
| 23:19.31 | spydon | where=if? |
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| 23:20.04 | spydon | gn folks |
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| 23:31.43 | Peter | are there any up to date UI screenshots? |
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| 23:32.35 | zash | scap.linuxtogo.org? |
| 23:34.26 | zash | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/http://scap.linuxtogo.org/ |
| 23:34.49 | zash | gah |
| 23:35.08 | zash | fucking tele2ass |
| 23:35.21 | Peter | are there any templates? |
| 23:35.42 | Peter | i've done a fair amount of interactive design on small screens, am curious to play with it :) |
| 23:38.45 | zash | templates? |
| 23:39.00 | Peter | the PSDs of their current UI |
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