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| 05:42.38 | H264 | talk about a split and a half |
| 05:43.00 | jamewill | que? |
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| 07:19.49 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:20.05 | ciao | ciao |
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| 07:20.29 | ciao | ciao bello |
| 07:25.26 | mbuf | Hopscotch, good morning |
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| 09:31.20 | ScaredyCat | mickey|zzZZzz: ping |
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| 10:12.44 | CM | Good morning |
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| 10:19.49 | mbuf | CM, X didn't show up by default; guess have to install it with ipkg |
| 10:20.02 | CM | Oh, ok |
| 10:20.35 | CM | It's been all kinds of missing depends in the bleeding-edge om the last few weeks.. |
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| 10:51.06 | rob_w|laptop | hi .. which is best these days .. qtopia or openmoko on the neo `? |
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| 10:52.09 | CM | I haven't heard much about qtopia lately |
| 10:52.46 | CM | But last time I tried it was more "complete" than om at the same time |
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| 10:56.21 | ScaredyCat | yes - qtopia is more complete... but it dips from being really good to average, and the build process breaks a lot and no-one seems to be that bothered :( |
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| 10:58.24 | gamin | using the Neo with an external BT keyboard interferes with the multitouch, i.e. pressing twice "m" results in an "n". Any idea how to circumvene this? |
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| 11:00.02 | ScaredyCat | s/multitouch/toucscreen/ |
| 11:00.48 | ScaredyCat | seems a bit odd.. there are people who use apple bt kb's with no probs |
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| 11:08.35 | gamin | s/touchscreen/multitap/ :) |
| 11:10.23 | gamin | I have killed the multitap-pad process, but that doesn't help |
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| 11:22.31 | rob_w|laptop | when can we exspect a hardware which suspends/resumes correctly ? is the gta02 supposed to fix this once and for all ? |
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| 11:24.06 | raster | yes it is |
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| 11:33.38 | xzcvczx | nnpiggy: ping |
| 11:34.51 | SpeedEvil | raster: do you mean by that that there are unresolvable hardware problems in 01 suspend - or just that software/hardware for 02 is meant to do everything and have no bugs? |
| 11:35.35 | raster | SpeedEvil: i know nothing of the gta01 stuff so no comment there :) |
| 11:35.40 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 11:35.40 | raster | SpeedEvil: but gta02 is meant to work |
| 11:35.50 | raster | its meant to be hw-bug-free |
| 11:35.56 | raster | that is he most important goal |
| 11:36.03 | raster | everything else is secondary right now |
| 11:36.07 | raster | hw bug-free |
| 11:36.25 | raster | hw verification under linux should be complete and ticked off before anything ships |
| 11:36.35 | raster | it does not mean all drivers ro software is complete |
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| 11:36.52 | raster | ut the aim is to have all the important stuff working - as we need it to be working in linux to verify the hw anyway |
| 11:37.02 | SpeedEvil | Yeah. |
| 11:37.19 | raster | gta02 will ship when we are satisfied we have reached that goal :) |
| 11:37.31 | SpeedEvil | Including all 2d drivers, or just enough to demonstrate that there are not hardware interface problems? |
| 11:38.40 | raster | just enough to demonstrate that |
| 11:38.56 | raster | at this stage we believe out gfx interface is fine |
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| 11:39.21 | raster | any bugs will either be driver or literally smedia chip bugs that cannot be fixed |
| 11:39.32 | raster | (i.e. a design flaw) |
| 11:39.41 | raster | Dodji: morning mate! |
| 11:41.07 | rob_w|laptop | nice .. i flashed the latest image .. played with it .. did bluetooth status check and it went dark and doesnt turn on anymore .. |
| 11:42.59 | SpeedEvil | rob_w|laptop: take battery out and USB out, wait 1 min, plug it back in |
| 11:43.05 | SpeedEvil | See what happens |
| 11:44.12 | mbuf | my FIC batteries are not working even after charging them separately; should i get BL-5C batteries? or any other suggestions? |
| 11:45.31 | SpeedEvil | mbuf: how changing seperately? |
| 11:45.36 | SpeedEvil | charging |
| 11:46.06 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, using a Taiwanese charger, connected to the mains directly |
| 11:46.31 | SpeedEvil | Sure it turns off at 4.2V properly? |
| 11:46.47 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, my build is Ångstrom, February 29, 2008; if connected with the PC on boot, it does fast charge, and i get a prompt |
| 11:47.03 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, but wiki says phone must boot first, and then you should connect it to the PC; |
| 11:47.20 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, i think because of low battery levels, ping to device is not working from the PC |
| 11:47.31 | SpeedEvil | mbuf: sorry - what's not working? |
| 11:48.08 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, the phone is not booting completely to prompt (with battery, and not connected to PC) |
| 11:48.09 | SpeedEvil | you've got the cdc_ether module loaded, and ifconfig'd the usb0? |
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| 11:48.17 | SpeedEvil | ah |
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| 11:48.37 | SpeedEvil | have you trie to flash it last boot? |
| 11:48.40 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, all that is configured as is; used to work with December builds |
| 11:48.49 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, last boot? |
| 11:49.38 | SpeedEvil | And do you mean that it goes through uboot but gfails aftesometimes after tlinux boots? |
| 11:50.21 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, before booting, if i connect the Neo to the PC, it boots fine, and gives me a prompt on the display; but, ssh or ping fails |
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| 11:50.33 | SpeedEvil | a prompt? |
| 11:50.54 | SpeedEvil | you mean the normal graphical display with the dialers? |
| 11:51.01 | SpeedEvil | well - not dialer. |
| 11:51.05 | SpeedEvil | homepage |
| 11:51.16 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, ssh or ping from the PC; yes "Ångstrom" distribution and a console prompt; just like what is mentioned here: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Angstrom_on_Neo1973 |
| 11:52.08 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, "The OpenMoko Distribution -- powered by Angstrom fic-gta01 tty1" "OpenMoko P1-Snapshot-20080228 fic-gta01 tty1" "fic-gta01 login" |
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| 11:53.35 | SpeedEvil | Have you ever flashed uboot? |
| 11:53.47 | mbuf | SP8472, not recently |
| 11:53.51 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, not recently |
| 11:55.24 | SpeedEvil | It never boots to the graphical environment? |
| 11:55.24 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, last time was with Snapshot-20070917, uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr2937; when there was a major update was announced for everyone in u-boot |
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| 11:55.29 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, nope |
| 11:55.49 | SpeedEvil | Have you tried reflashing? |
| 11:56.08 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, the wiki documentation is consistent with this finding that one needs to install xserver-kdrive-fbdev to get X; |
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| 11:56.16 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, nope; i can reflash it and see |
| 11:56.30 | SpeedEvil | That sounds like the old bug where the kernel becomes confused if you have a jffs image that's smaller than the existing jffs image |
| 11:57.05 | SpeedEvil | you get the two images sort-of-merged with massive corruption |
| 11:57.18 | SpeedEvil | which casues it not to boot properly |
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| 11:58.11 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, i checked that too; previous rootfs was 43M, recent one was 46M |
| 11:58.36 | SpeedEvil | It adds to teh effective size if you write to the root filesyustem |
| 11:58.43 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, i see |
| 11:58.53 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, so i shall reflash u-boot? |
| 11:59.07 | SpeedEvil | nand erase rootfs at the uboot command line erases the root filesystem |
| 11:59.07 | SpeedEvil | that works |
| 11:59.13 | SpeedEvil | no actual need to flash uboot |
| 11:59.22 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, ok |
| 12:01.25 | SpeedEvil | nand erase alone will brick your phone |
| 12:03.48 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, which boot-menu option (set console to USB?) |
| 12:07.24 | SpeedEvil | see the page flashing openmoko |
| 12:07.30 | SpeedEvil | search for nand erase |
| 12:07.43 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, got it |
| 12:07.57 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, had to chown uucp.uucp (was getting permission denied errors) |
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| 12:22.31 | mbuf | urgh! dfu_util download error -71 |
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| 12:33.53 | ScaredyCat | a) make sure it's the only usb device, that can be updated like that, that's plugged in. b) are you doing it right? are you using sudo/root account ? |
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| 13:23.46 | mohamed | hi all, I was flashing qemu but this error arises http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57925/ |
| 13:23.50 | mohamed | any help? |
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| 13:24.08 | PBeck | hoi |
| 13:29.05 | RedDog | hi |
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| 13:37.14 | ScaredyCat | mohamed: sudo apt-get install libsdl1.2-dev netpbm |
| 13:37.23 | ScaredyCat | please at least read the wiki |
| 13:40.40 | mohamed | ScaredyCat: thanks :) |
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| 13:56.22 | mohamed | ScaredyCat: have you got any idea about that http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57927/ ? |
| 13:59.37 | mohamed | should I use an older u-boot ? |
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| 14:14.52 | mohamed | could any one help me with this problem http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57927/ ? |
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| 14:34.26 | mohamed | hi all, I've built openmoko and I'm trying to emulate it using qemu (using mokomakefile), so I type make build-qemu and then make flash-qemu-local but the error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/57927/ arises while I was flashing |
| 14:34.55 | mohamed | could you help me with that problem ? |
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| 15:56.15 | zedstar | im looking for the least painful way to package lighttpd for a n810 (maemo) i notice there is a bitbake receipe for lighttpd so i guess i gotta setup OE for nokia builds? has anyone does this already...basically im after a .deb for lighttpd......somewhat not related to openmoko this question sorry |
| 15:58.11 | pH5 | zedstar: --> #oe. it's DISTRO=chinook-compat, MACHINE=nokia800 |
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| 15:59.39 | zedstar | thanks pH5.......so then just bitbake the receipe and it will generate a .deb? |
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| 16:18.04 | ClimDan | Cool Dating Club site ===> new-datingclub eu |
| 16:19.15 | pH5 | zedstar: at least that is the theory. |
| 16:19.49 | zedstar | yeh seems a lot of "magic" happens :) i need to RTFM this stuff i guess at some point |
| 16:19.55 | pH5 | there are still some issues like .debs of c++ programs depending on a wrong version of libstdc++, but the programs I compiled so far worked. |
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| 16:28.15 | mwester | pH5: is the OS2008-compatible version, or OS2007? |
| 16:29.19 | pH5 | mwester: chinook / maemo 4.0 / os2008 |
| 16:34.40 | CM | I haven't been able to build bleeding-edge openmoko with oe this year |
| 16:34.44 | CM | Not even once |
| 16:35.27 | mwester | The bleeding edge stuff builds here far more often than the so-called "stable" does. I've actually abandoned the stable stuff from openmoko.com... |
| 16:35.46 | CM | Yeah, me too |
| 16:36.09 | mwester | What sort of problems are you encountering? |
| 16:36.14 | CM | right now I fail on pth_2.0.2.bb |
| 16:36.26 | CM | Before that there were some kernel stuff |
| 16:36.26 | mwester | The year is 1/6th over, that a long time without a build... :p |
| 16:36.48 | CM | And usually make image fails because of missing dependencies |
| 16:36.51 | mwester | When was the last time you deleted your tmp directory and started all over? |
| 16:37.01 | CM | Too long ago I guess.. |
| 16:37.17 | CM | Should start a complete rebuild.. |
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| 16:59.07 | ScaredyCat | currently I'm failing on opkg because it got modded... |
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| 17:21.14 | ScaredyCat | mickeyl just fixed that one :) |
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| 18:09.29 | piksi | i bet this one has been asked before but: is there going to be a freerunner version with 3G ? |
| 18:10.05 | mwester | No |
| 18:10.25 | mwester | 3G would be something after the freerunner, it is suspected. But not the freerunner. |
| 18:11.10 | piksi | ok |
| 18:11.41 | piksi | too bad though, with 3g i would have bought it immediately upon release |
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| 18:14.55 | johnycsh | whats the easiest way to get the vmlinux file used in the stable 2007.2 branch? can I just pull it out of the PPCBoot .bin file easily? I'm trying to get symbols into gdb. |
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| 18:18.20 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:24.54 | johnycsh | hey thanks. thats a good idea. |
| 18:26.50 | johnycsh | does gdb know how to use System.map's as symbol files though? |
| 18:28.48 | SpeedEvil | No idea |
| 18:29.01 | johnycsh | doesnt seem like it |
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| 18:52.43 | ScaredyCat | emdete: ping |
| 18:53.25 | ScaredyCat | I fell into a burning ring of fire... |
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| 19:19.11 | wurp2 | OK, we got a sort-of review of the 2/28 release |
| 19:19.16 | wurp2 | but I see a 2/29 and 3/01 release |
| 19:19.22 | wurp2 | Anyone have any experience with those? |
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| 19:36.02 | mwester | s/show/shoe/ |
| 19:36.14 | mwester | sigh... |
| 19:36.25 | wurp2 | apt is logged off? |
| 19:36.33 | wurp2 | I guess not |
| 19:36.43 | wurp2 | Oh, it just doesn't work for emotes |
| 19:40.45 | ScaredyCat | I'll get me coat... |
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| 19:48.32 | mwester | What a quiet place. Does everyone else have a life, or something? |
| 19:49.05 | MHazem | not me |
| 19:49.35 | DukeOfURL | reading the xcircuit documentation |
| 19:50.24 | CVirus | migrating to irssi :-) |
| 19:50.46 | wurp2 | CVirus: don't forget to install bitlbee too |
| 19:51.07 | CVirus | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.09 | CVirus | interesting |
| 19:51.12 | CVirus | wurp2: thanks :-) |
| 19:51.35 | wurp2 | yw :-) |
| 19:52.13 | wurp2 | ssh + corkscrew + irssi + bitlbee is why I can still be in touch with the world while I'm at work |
| 19:52.28 | wurp2 | oh, and screen |
| 19:52.51 | wurp2 | Free software kicks tail |
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| 19:53.56 | CVirus | I use proxytunnel instead of corksrew ... but the new IT team at the university has disabled this ... I'll try corkscrew then |
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| 19:54.08 | mwester | Darn it's annoying that so many digital multimeters skip the 2 Amp scale. :( Makes it really hard to monitor the GSM modem power draw when off (20 ma) and also handle the full current draw of the GTA01 without blowing the fuse on the meter. :( |
| 19:55.34 | mwester | heh - speaking of intrusive firewalls and all -- I just discovered that while my ISP does all sorts of bandwidth limiting on http and ftp downloads, they apparently ignore ordinary un-encrypted torrent downloads :D |
| 19:55.59 | CVirus | hehe |
| 19:57.42 | mwester | Yep - an http download will throttle down to about 48KB/sec within about two minutes, but I'm watching a torrent download at 350KB/sec now for over an hour. |
| 20:01.32 | wurp2 | mwester: crazy sysadmins |
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| 20:02.41 | hypa7ia | CVirus: and don't forget that there's OTR support inbitlbee now |
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| 20:06.11 | CVirus | OTR ? |
| 20:06.46 | mwester | wurp2: I rather suspect I should enjoy this for the moment, as it's probably an oversight and will be corrected soon. :) |
| 20:07.44 | hypa7ia | CVirus: nifty IM encryption. http://cypherpunks.ca/otr |
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| 20:13.46 | _diego_ | mwester: probably becouse 350Kb/s are just the total bandwith, and they are slowing down each connection |
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| 20:14.18 | _diego_ | bittorrent download trough multiple connection so u can still have more bandwith |
| 20:14.22 | mwester | hmmm..... good point. |
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| 20:24.35 | ScaredyCat | boom! |
| 20:26.42 | mwester | Did ScaredyCat just explode? |
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| 21:02.06 | ScaredyCat | sort of.. |
| 21:02.25 | holycow | lots of really good ideas and points on the wiki |
| 21:02.37 | holycow | pretty much summarizes most of teh ideas i've had |
| 21:02.45 | holycow | can't wait to see moko with a buisness shell |
| 21:03.23 | holycow | i can totally see using the moko for example as a media center controller |
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| 21:08.18 | mwester | holycow: wouldn't it need an IR emitter for that? |
| 21:09.34 | ScaredyCat | mmm, there's weird shit going on with my latest build |
| 21:09.38 | holycow | i'm thinking wifi and i'm also thinking networked linux media center to ms media center |
| 21:09.47 | ScaredyCat | linuxMCE |
| 21:10.00 | holycow | you come home, your moko vpns into your local network |
| 21:10.14 | holycow | you startup lmce control console app on your moko |
| 21:10.44 | holycow | or you maybe do an xdmcp session with video playback fullscreen and watch a video you torrented last night while taking a bath |
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| 21:10.56 | holycow | open vpns even |
| 21:11.30 | holycow | err ... 'to ms media center' should read NOT ms media center |
| 21:11.45 | holycow | what is the latest update on being able to buy a gta02> |
| 21:11.48 | holycow | ? even? |
| 21:12.13 | holycow | i can't find a date on the site, which is cool just curious what the latest thoughts on this are |
| 21:14.06 | mwester | They are still testing the current version to see if it is possible to use the current PCB to manufacture the production units. If they decide that they can, they will have to update the manufacturing procedures,etc, to accomodate the various fixes they must do to the current version. |
| 21:14.26 | holycow | oh neat |
| 21:14.28 | holycow | thank you |
| 21:14.51 | mwester | Then manufacture a test batch, test again (although less strenuous a test, more a go/nogo test), and if good, then perhaps they will schedule a production run. Then we can order. |
| 21:14.58 | holycow | i'm like on the edge of having to make a decision to get a blackberry or a treo ... and i eally want to not haveto make that horrible choice |
| 21:15.13 | holycow | so 6 months probably |
| 21:15.15 | holycow | okay |
| 21:15.43 | mwester | On the other hand, OM has not committed that they will be satisfied with the current version; there are a number of PCB changes they would like to make and they may choose to do another PCB layout - which would result in many weeks more delay (although a better product, of course). |
| 21:15.54 | holycow | right |
| 21:16.00 | holycow | and that would make sense |
| 21:16.03 | mwester | So, it could be as the topic says - April, or it could be as late as summer. |
| 21:16.23 | holycow | i heard someone the other week mentioning there were dissapointed in some feature of the graphics system .... not enough bandwidth or something |
| 21:16.44 | mwester | That's a design issue, and not fixable in the freerunner. |
| 21:17.01 | mwester | The issues they are currently working on involve ideal values for resistors, etc. |
| 21:17.18 | mwester | (minimizing power consumption, etc.) |
| 21:17.34 | holycow | ahhhh ... okay. gotcha. thank you for the lesson ... clearly i'm just guessing :) |
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| 21:46.46 | CM | ScaredyCat: Nice post, thanks for the update on what's going on :) |
| 21:47.41 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 21:48.09 | CM | Does the bleeding edge rev build for om now? |
| 21:48.21 | CM | Guess I have to restart with a clean build.. *sigh* |
| 21:49.38 | ScaredyCat | it has for me |
| 21:49.50 | ScaredyCat | mickeyl fixed the issue I had... |
| 21:49.53 | CM | Ok. I have some pth issue |
| 21:50.04 | CM | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:50.04 | ScaredyCat | but my image is doing odd stuff... |
| 21:50.08 | CM | :-/ |
| 21:50.21 | ScaredyCat | just checking the clean bleeding edge om |
| 21:50.39 | ScaredyCat | CM: huh?Q |
| 21:50.54 | CM | Yeah, just got that one today |
| 21:51.25 | CM | So I guess I'll try a clean build tomorrow |
| 21:51.37 | ScaredyCat | yeah - worth it methinks |
| 21:52.07 | CM | But since I have my comp in the bedroom now, I don't want it building all night like I used to |
| 21:52.16 | CM | The hard disks are too noisy |
| 21:52.27 | ScaredyCat | :/ |
| 21:52.48 | emdete | did you know that gllin does not work anymore with the new kernel? is there a workaround? |
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| 21:53.30 | CM | emdete: I think there is.. pavelm or someone posted about it |
| 21:53.30 | alphaone | emdete: you could make symlinks in /sys at the appropriate places |
| 21:53.41 | mwester | emdete: I know that the changes made with the naming of the device affected the powerup stuff. |
| 21:54.16 | mwester | Someone posted some hacks that edited the binary to fix it, but I would do what alphaone suggests, rather. |
| 21:55.03 | ScaredyCat | emdete: is that link to you ok ? |
| 21:57.56 | emdete | i am just testing if a symlink works in sysfs - for now i get for `ln -s /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0 /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-gps.0` ln: /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-gps.0: No such file or directory - whatever that means. did i something wring |
| 21:58.00 | emdete | > |
| 21:58.03 | emdete | ? |
| 21:58.13 | ScaredyCat | ok, so it's not my build - somone broke some stuff .. I get a mouse pointer and a broken, but visible panel bar |
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| 22:10.37 | emdete | mwester: as symlinks dont work i look for an hex-editor for linux... hm |
| 22:12.26 | mwester | sed will work, just not the one from busybox. |
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| 22:20.57 | mwester | emdete: looks like that was mentioned on this channel on Feb 22 @ about 03:00 |
| 22:21.28 | emdete | :/ |
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| 22:22.01 | jjsm586 | hello??? |
| 22:22.20 | emdete | without a proper package installed with the rootfs everything sux with gllin... |
| 22:22.25 | mwester | emdete: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gllin |
| 22:22.27 | mwester | :) |
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| 22:24.38 | jjsm586 | can anyone help me try to make a call with my openmoko? |
| 22:25.00 | s0u][ight | does the neo freerunner or the best one now support multitouch? |
| 22:26.06 | mjr | no |
| 22:26.25 | s0u][ight | will it support it in the future? |
| 22:26.40 | mjr | no |
| 22:26.51 | s0u][ight | why not? |
| 22:27.11 | mjr | touchscreen hardware doesn't do it |
| 22:27.25 | s0u][ight | :( would be nice like the iphone |
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| 22:27.56 | s0u][ight | does the wireless card support monitor mode and is it compatible with the aircrack-ng tools etc. |
| 22:29.23 | mjr | IIRC no, future depending on Atheros adding support to the firmware |
| 22:29.25 | CVirus | I'd love to see that impemented |
| 22:29.31 | CVirus | damn |
| 22:29.53 | s0u][ight | does it need firmware ? |
| 22:30.08 | mwester | Why? so you can break into wireless networks with your phone? I fail to see the reason for such functionality as standard. |
| 22:30.11 | mjr | umm, of course? |
| 22:30.42 | s0u][ight | mwester ur right :D |
| 22:31.14 | s0u][ight | but would be nice that i don't need to take my laptop to perform such an act ;D |
| 22:31.35 | s0u][ight | kk now getting serious |
| 22:32.00 | s0u][ight | how much is the freerunner gonna cost? |
| 22:32.02 | mwester | Well when you grow up, you'll find you don't need such firmware and software anymore. |
| 22:32.08 | mwester | :P |
| 22:32.30 | s0u][ight | i still need firmware with my bcm4311 wireless card :( |
| 22:32.51 | respawn | what if he is payed to do that :P ? |
| 22:33.02 | mwester | Right. I've heard that line before. |
| 22:33.03 | respawn | to audit the security of a wireless network ?:) |
| 22:33.27 | s0u][ight | respawn yes that's my job :D |
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| 22:33.39 | respawn | :p |
| 22:33.39 | CVirus | [00:22] <mwester> Why? so you can break into wireless networks with your phone? I fail to see the reason for such functionality as standard. |
| 22:33.46 | mjr | s0u][ight, I'll point out that not all devices require their firmware to be loaded every startup |
| 22:33.47 | mwester | "But Officer, really, I'm not a common thief - I was paid to see how tightly that lady could hang on to her purse! |
| 22:33.48 | mwester | " |
| 22:33.56 | s0u][ight | i know |
| 22:34.18 | CVirus | mwester: no but I was trying to prove to my faculty's dean that our IT department sux and show him the amount of passwords that I was able to collect |
| 22:34.30 | mjr | ok, just that that would've been a more understandable confusion than "does it need firmware?" |
| 22:34.58 | s0u][ight | wep secured networks are boring to hack |
| 22:35.12 | s0u][ight | i only need like 10 in general |
| 22:35.19 | s0u][ight | 10 minutes |
| 22:35.29 | s0u][ight | wpa is tough |
| 22:35.39 | mwester | Stealing little kids lunch money is still a crime, no matter how boring it might be, s0u][ight. |
| 22:35.44 | s0u][ight | what xserver does the freerunner use? |
| 22:35.48 | CVirus | just for the fun of it |
| 22:36.05 | s0u][ight | mwester i don't abuse my cracked networks |
| 22:36.18 | s0u][ight | only find out the key |
| 22:36.23 | s0u][ight | that's all |
| 22:36.38 | s0u][ight | ever read the hackers manifest? |
| 22:36.38 | mwester | s0u][ight: I *do* abuse the kids I catch trying to break into my property, regardless of their intentions. ;) |
| 22:37.02 | mwester | Common criminals need a manifesto now? |
| 22:37.21 | s0u][ight | never heard of the mentor? |
| 22:37.51 | mwester | You'll need to provide rather more context, those words are rather common. I know of many mentors. |
| 22:38.10 | s0u][ight | sec. |
| 22:38.45 | CVirus | bed time |
| 22:38.58 | s0u][ight | can't find a complete one :| |
| 22:39.02 | mwester | Well, if it's some long rambling justification for why it's ok for people to break into networks, crack passwords, or do other illegal things, I'm not buying it - I don't even need to see it. |
| 22:39.19 | mwester | I've heard it all before. And actually, when I was a teenager, I believed some of it myself. |
| 22:39.38 | s0u][ight | shnix.no-ip.org |
| 22:39.52 | s0u][ight | a complete one |
| 22:40.04 | s0u][ight | e exist without skin color, without nationality, without religious bias... and you call us criminals. |
| 22:40.04 | mwester | Anyway, arround here, it's called "theft of service" and it's criminal, no matter your intent. |
| 22:40.09 | CVirus | I don't see how is it "wrong" to crack a network just to prove that it needs more attention when it comes to its security |
| 22:40.20 | CVirus | without any damage done though |
| 22:40.27 | CVirus | that's what I'm trying to do at my university |
| 22:40.28 | s0u][ight | well what's the difference between a soldier and a terrorist |
| 22:40.31 | s0u][ight | both kill |
| 22:40.46 | respawn | CVirus I already did and now they gave me the root user :p |
| 22:40.48 | CVirus | our admins don't use ssl and so the passwords fly all over the place |
| 22:41.00 | CVirus | respawn: :-) |
| 22:41.14 | mwester | CVirus: by analogy -- suppose you were trying to pick the locks on the university to test security. What do you think would happen if you were caught? |
| 22:41.41 | s0u][ight | My crime is that of curiosity. |
| 22:41.49 | CVirus | I understand the consequences |
| 22:42.15 | mwester | s0u][ight: No, that is a reason, not the crime. |
| 22:42.22 | s0u][ight | so noone tryed to perform a hack with the neo bling |
| 22:42.45 | s0u][ight | mwester just read the whole text u'll understand it bether :P |
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| 22:43.23 | mwester | Anyway, I sincerely hope you get caught by the authorities rather than someone like me when you do get caught. Good luck! |
| 22:43.52 | CVirus | I'm glad the the authorities here in Egypt have no idea what we are talking about |
| 22:43.54 | s0u][ight | i performed an attack in a police bureau :D |
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| 22:44.14 | s0u][ight | CVirus did they fix that internet issue in egypt? |
| 22:44.18 | CVirus | yeah |
| 22:44.23 | CVirus | s0u][ight: full speed now :-) |
| 22:44.33 | s0u][ight | nice |
| 22:45.01 | s0u][ight | got some friends in egypt who said it was broke |
| 22:46.01 | s0u][ight | my question isn't answered :( |
| 22:46.04 | CVirus | anyways ... it's bed time .. night all |
| 22:46.10 | s0u][ight | cyaa |
| 22:46.21 | s0u][ight | what xserver does the neo phone use? |
| 22:46.28 | s0u][ight | as standard? |
| 22:46.37 | mjr | kdrive |
| 22:46.49 | s0u][ight | kind of kde? |
| 22:46.58 | mjr | dunno if that'll change for the freerunner, what with its gpu and acceleration drivers |
| 22:47.01 | mjr | no |
| 22:47.04 | mjr | jo |
| 22:47.13 | mjr | it's what you asked about, an x server |
| 22:47.23 | mjr | a relatively light one |
| 22:47.40 | s0u][ight | saw some screenlets so i was confused |
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| 22:51.47 | s0u][ight | compiz on that tiny little thing XD |
| 22:51.57 | s0u][ight | so it is going to support 3D? |
| 22:52.54 | mjr | the gpu has some 3d acceleration features, probably not drivers for that part for quite a while though |
| 22:53.18 | mjr | (Also it has a limitation of 512x512 rendering buffers, which would have to be worked around in software, no small task that either) |
| 22:55.33 | CIA-16 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r87 10/trunk/software/ (15 files in 4 dirs): varios fixes for moko underground image |
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