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| 00:51.44 | ubuntufreak | Need help in building the openmoko environment in Ubuntu 7.10 |
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| 01:32.22 | BillyJoe | so you all are already using the phone? |
| 01:32.25 | abraxa__ | Wow, giving a whole 3 minutes to respond... guess that guy had no time to wait |
| 01:32.48 | abraxa__ | BillyJoe: Depends on your definition of "using" ;) |
| 01:33.17 | BillyJoe | carring it around making calls |
| 01:33.58 | BillyJoe | was wondering if it used the sim chips |
| 01:36.01 | BillyJoe | I realy would like to buy one of the devs but I wanted to see if first it was using the sim chip being over here in europ it is the only way it can be. |
| 01:36.12 | SpeedEvil | you can't. |
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| 01:36.14 | SpeedEvil | It's sold out. |
| 01:36.36 | SpeedEvil | and yes, it's a GSM phone with a SIM. |
| 01:39.17 | BillyJoe | that is outstanding. and is it working well for most? |
| 01:39.41 | SpeedEvil | When it works - with the correct image - it works fine. |
| 01:40.05 | SpeedEvil | development is ongoing, and things break from time to time. |
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| 01:59.28 | teprrr | yup, I actually tried to make a call last weekend or so.. so yes, it's possible to make calls, but I wouldn't mind using it as a phone just yet |
| 01:59.35 | teprrr | and I'm in europe |
| 02:03.05 | SpeedEvil | I've been using the Linux fic-gta01 2.6.22.5-moko11 #1 PREEMPT Wed Dec 19 20:33:49 GMT 2007 armv4tl unknown |
| 02:03.13 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 02:25.16 | teprrr | I've currently 2.6.24-4 iirc |
| 02:25.23 | teprrr | from the snapshot of 20080220 |
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| 03:16.42 | paroneayea | hello |
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| 03:25.09 | H264 | they moved the release date back to april? |
| 03:25.26 | paroneayea | no big surprise |
| 03:25.34 | paroneayea | never was really promised anyway |
| 03:25.35 | SpeedEvil | sAs far as I know, no - it's just that it's certainly not going to be march |
| 03:25.55 | H264 | :( |
| 03:26.34 | H264 | are they puttting wireless in the prerelease yet? |
| 03:27.22 | SpeedEvil | it's sold out |
| 03:27.30 | paroneayea | man, my phone doesn't seem to boot any more. I hadn't charged it in ages |
| 03:29.19 | H264 | on a side note, AMD released the specs to their video cards! w00t! :) |
| 03:31.24 | paroneayea | yay |
| 03:31.32 | paroneayea | dammit, I think I'm going to need to buy a new battery |
| 03:32.35 | SpeedEvil | party-: how logn's it been on charge? |
| 03:32.44 | paroneayea | like 5 minutes |
| 03:33.01 | paroneayea | but I've been pressing the button about every 30 seconds :P |
| 03:33.57 | paroneayea | hm |
| 03:34.01 | paroneayea | I'm looking at the wiki |
| 03:34.20 | paroneayea | doesn't seem like there are any *ideal* replacements for the battery |
| 03:34.24 | paroneayea | *mope |
| 03:36.22 | SpeedEvil | take the battery out |
| 03:36.27 | SpeedEvil | leave it 5 mins |
| 03:36.34 | SpeedEvil | (remove usb too) |
| 03:36.46 | SpeedEvil | put on charge for 2 hours, and don't press anything |
| 03:37.08 | paroneayea | btw, how's phone calling going these days? |
| 03:37.21 | paroneayea | phone calls generally more successful than 4 months ago? |
| 03:37.29 | SpeedEvil | works on some images, occasionally breaks |
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| 03:37.40 | paroneayea | more often than not though, it sounds like? |
| 03:37.46 | SpeedEvil | I've been using it - on a dec 22 image - as my primary phone |
| 03:37.49 | paroneayea | when I started at least, I only got 1 phone call through |
| 03:38.06 | paroneayea | rly??? |
| 03:38.11 | paroneayea | that's great news. |
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| 03:57.12 | RayDar | Wow, the battery life is pretty bad |
| 04:00.25 | wurp2 | RayDar: Yes, currently it is |
| 04:00.59 | wurp2 | On that note |
| 04:01.19 | wurp2 | Does anyone know of a reason that the gsm couldn't remain in idle basically all the time except when you're on a call? |
| 04:01.57 | wurp2 | If the gsm can wake in time to answer a new incoming call, it should be able to wake between the time when the dialer comes up and you finish dialing |
| 04:02.12 | wurp2 | So it should never need to just sit turned on unless you're on a call |
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| 04:12.55 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03werner * r4124 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/series: (log message trimmed) |
| 04:12.55 | CIA-16 | openmoko: The initialization of clocks uses mutexes, but we execute the resume in |
| 04:12.55 | CIA-16 | openmoko: an interrupt context. We therefore have to hand this task to a non-interrupt. |
| 04:12.55 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Adapted from a patch by Andy Green. |
| 04:12.58 | CIA-16 | openmoko: resume-timers-wq.patch: |
| 04:13.00 | CIA-16 | openmoko: - arch/arm/plat-s3c24xx/time.c (s3c24xx_timer): for resume, call new function |
| 04:13.02 | CIA-16 | openmoko: s3c2410_timer_resume instead of s3c2410_timer_setup |
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| 04:26.31 | paroneayea | SpeedEvil: whoo! Thanks for the reassurance |
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| 04:26.35 | paroneayea | I let it charge for a bit |
| 04:26.37 | paroneayea | its working again |
| 04:26.45 | paroneayea | after taking the battery out |
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| 04:35.03 | paroneayea | hm |
| 04:35.25 | paroneayea | anyone familiar with "Cannot claim interface: could not claim interface 2: Operation not permitted" |
| 04:35.32 | paroneayea | when trying to flash |
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| 04:42.17 | paroneayea | oop; |
| 04:46.50 | wurp2 | paroneayea: Did you sudo the dfu-util command? |
| 04:46.58 | paroneayea | wurp2: uh |
| 04:46.59 | paroneayea | nope |
| 04:47.48 | paroneayea | heh |
| 04:47.51 | paroneayea | ok, its working now |
| 04:47.56 | wurp2 | excellent |
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| 06:49.44 | paroneayea | HORRRAY |
| 06:49.49 | paroneayea | its now ausable phone :) |
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| 07:10.23 | doc|home | http://www.revver.com/video/522307/iphysics-09-for-the-iphone/ |
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| 08:11.03 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 09:43.12 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03werner * r4126 10/trunk/src/host/devirginator/ (envedit.pl environment.in mknor setup.sh tests/recurse): (log message trimmed) |
| 09:43.12 | CIA-16 | openmoko: mknor: we don't need to set "mtdids" and "usbtty" |
| 09:43.12 | CIA-16 | openmoko: mknor: reduced boot_menu_timeout from 20 hours to 1 minute |
| 09:43.12 | CIA-16 | openmoko: environment.in, mknor: unified NOR and NAND environment in environment.in |
| 09:43.12 | CIA-16 | openmoko: environment.in: added boot from SD/MMC with a combined FAT+ext2 setup |
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| 10:15.51 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03werner * r4127 10/trunk/src/host/devirginator/ (environment.in mknor setup.sh): |
| 10:15.51 | CIA-16 | openmoko: setup.sh: added support to passing cpp-style definitions with the option -D to |
| 10:15.51 | CIA-16 | openmoko: cpp and envedit.pl |
| 10:15.51 | CIA-16 | openmoko: environment.in, mknor: renamed option NOR to NOR_ENV, to avoid conflict with |
| 10:15.52 | CIA-16 | openmoko: use of the word "NOR" in text |
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| 11:25.33 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03werner * r4128 10/trunk/src/host/devirginator/ (config.gta01bv4 config.phase0 mknor setup.sh): (log message trimmed) |
| 11:25.33 | CIA-16 | openmoko: mknor: removed "under construction" warning |
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| 11:25.34 | CIA-16 | openmoko: on the command line |
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| 11:25.39 | CIA-16 | openmoko: nor.bin |
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| 11:36.55 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4129 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/libopkg/pkg.c: |
| 11:36.56 | CIA-16 | openmoko: opkg: Update the version comparision to a more recent one from dpkg. This |
| 11:36.56 | CIA-16 | openmoko: means it now recognises 0.0-foo > 0.0+foo as it should. Patch from Richard |
| 11:36.56 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Purdie <rpurdie rpsys net> |
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| 11:56.46 | Stephmw | quick python question.. is there a library Timer that repeats until cancelled? |
| 11:58.07 | mickeyl | i'd just use gmainloop for that |
| 11:58.22 | Stephmw | and for a cli app? |
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| 11:58.30 | mickeyl | gmainloop |
| 11:58.40 | mickeyl | glib is not just for UI programs |
| 11:59.03 | Stephmw | ah, yes, my mistake - I'd bound the G with GTK |
| 11:59.07 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 11:59.29 | mickeyl | glib and gobject are very useful in command line programs. i had a hard time getting used to that, so i can understand that |
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| 12:02.29 | Stephmw | hmm, only a gobject related package in ubuntu.. no glib ones |
| 12:04.15 | mickeyl | gobject needs glib, so it might be included |
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| 12:11.44 | CIA-16 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r84 10/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd/ (ChangeLog src/gsm0710muxd.c): gsm0710muxd: catch up with openmoko-kernel sysfs device node changes in 2.6.24 |
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| 12:16.45 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03werner * r4131 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (gta02-core.patch pcf50633.patch): |
| 12:16.45 | CIA-16 | openmoko: From: matt_hsu <matt_hsu@openmoko.org> |
| 12:16.45 | CIA-16 | openmoko: [PATCH] bug-889-8secs.patch |
| 12:16.45 | CIA-16 | openmoko: This patch introduces a power-down when the POWER button is held for |
| 12:16.45 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 8 seconds, which fixed this bug: |
| 12:16.48 | CIA-16 | openmoko: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=889 |
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| 14:10.18 | maroi | hi |
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| 14:36.53 | XorA | 1390 root 20 0 65144 18m 11m R 27.3 15.0 0:57.10 openmoko-mediap |
| 14:36.54 | XorA | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.09 | XorA | woowoo, less that 50% cpu load playing mp3 files on gta02 |
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| 14:39.28 | florian | XorA: I remember about 20% CPU load for this on my iPAQ :-} |
| 14:39.59 | XorA | florian: pulseaudio eats a lot for doing little |
| 14:40.21 | florian | XorA: oh... more than esd? |
| 14:40.32 | XorA | florian: yeah a whole shitload more |
| 14:40.49 | XorA | florian: it busyloops on bytes |
| 14:41.05 | florian | XorA: eeks... |
| 14:41.33 | XorA | florian: so power usage isnt going to be good either :-(, mickey|lunch plans to talk to Lennert to see what we can do to improve stuff |
| 14:41.40 | florian | In this case I would say that pulseaudio is still not ready for qroduction quality images.. |
| 14:42.14 | florian | XorA: right, playing audio should not suck too much power... |
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| 15:09.33 | PBeck | hi |
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| 15:15.02 | zash | and why is pulseaudio in this if it eats cpu? |
| 15:16.22 | mjr | apparently there's a kludgy fix in the recent releases that makes it not bog everything else down |
| 15:16.33 | mjr | I haven't upgraded recently so can't verify |
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| 15:20.22 | XorA | mjr: I wrote that fix |
| 15:22.57 | mjr | ack |
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| 15:29.58 | mickeyl | zash: because it's good... apart from this problem |
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| 15:31.52 | ScaredyCat | it's good apart from being broken? ;) |
| 15:33.01 | mickeyl | sort of |
| 15:33.10 | mickeyl | it's the right way to do certain abstractions in linux audio |
| 15:33.23 | mickeyl | i'm sure there's a way to make it less CPU hungr |
| 15:33.23 | mickeyl | y |
| 15:34.17 | ScaredyCat | yoink! |
| 15:34.45 | XorA | mickeyl: the new alsa scenario code will export the master mixer per path, to save software guessing |
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| 15:35.06 | XorA | block operations are the way to go :-) |
| 15:35.08 | ScaredyCat | that cant be a good sign.... |
| 15:35.23 | ScaredyCat | after 'waking' my phone the screen goes apeshit |
| 15:35.49 | ScaredyCat | like a bad tv reception |
| 15:36.10 | mickeyl | XorA: good! |
| 15:36.14 | XorA | ScaredyCat: thats disco mode :-) |
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| 15:37.23 | ScaredyCat | better not to use that pm function I guess :/ |
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| 15:56.14 | wurp2 | Does anyone know offhand if there's an AT command to ask a SIM how many contacts are saved in it? |
| 15:56.46 | wurp2 | Right now I'm walking them up to 250, and just filtering out the empty entries, but I'm not 100% sure that 250 is the limit on all SIMs |
| 15:57.01 | wurp2 | And when I ask for contact 251, libgsmd hangs |
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| 16:00.50 | CVirus | the new case looks ugly |
| 16:00.52 | CVirus | the black one |
| 16:00.59 | CVirus | really ugly |
| 16:01.20 | wurp2 | CVirus: less ugly than the '01 case, I think |
| 16:01.27 | wurp2 | But what's inside is beautiful ;-) |
| 16:01.52 | CVirus | noway ... the 01 had a better case |
| 16:02.02 | CVirus | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:GTA02.jpg |
| 16:03.44 | wurp2 | I've seen it |
| 16:03.54 | wurp2 | I'm pretty sure looks are subjective... |
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| 16:04.17 | wurp2 | and I think the '01 looked worse - but again, I'm not very motivated by the looks |
| 16:04.43 | wurp2 | I do wish we didn't have the recessed screen, so we could access the edges better. And clean it more easily |
| 16:05.26 | mickeyl | yea |
| 16:05.53 | Stephmw | mickeyl: btw, I ended up not using gmainloop, just chaining the timers for now |
| 16:05.59 | Stephmw | mickeyl: it's a prototype in any case |
| 16:06.05 | mickeyl | sure |
| 16:06.20 | mickeyl | eventually you really need a mainloop and then you can cross that bridge |
| 16:06.59 | wurp2 | So I've written a little interim utility that imports all of your contacts (well, at least the first 250 :-) from your SIM into the address book |
| 16:07.10 | wurp2 | Right now it does exactly that, no configuration |
| 16:07.33 | wurp2 | Does anyone have suggestions for other options they would like to see for migrating contacts? |
| 16:08.01 | Stephmw | phone them all us, use TTS to say how great OM is and hangup? :D |
| 16:08.19 | wurp2 | Keeping in mind that it's not going to have a gui, or at least not much of one. If I wanted to write a whole address book/SIM synchronizer, I'd be updating code in the address book app |
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| 16:10.05 | raboof | wurp2: writing it in such a way that someone could once plug it into the address book app? |
| 16:11.11 | raboof | wurp2: perhaps adding country codes for those numbers that don't have one, and choose whether to overwrite, merge or skip contacts that already seem to be there |
| 16:11.23 | wurp2 | raboof: Sure, if they're OK with the address book app calling some python & shell script code :-) |
| 16:11.28 | raboof | ;) |
| 16:11.44 | wurp2 | raboof: I'll look into the overwrite, merge, skip options |
| 16:12.01 | wurp2 | Unfortunately, I have had to feel out the dbus interface to address book manually |
| 16:12.20 | wurp2 | And so far I haven't figured out how to query what's already there |
| 16:12.47 | wurp2 | I can't find any documentation on evolution db query strings for address book, and the random thing's I've tried haven't been useful |
| 16:13.13 | wurp2 | Finally I just tried sending a vcard formatted string to addContact (which is what I really wanted in the first place) and it worked |
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| 16:22.15 | wurp2 | Does the neo fast charge while it's suspended? |
| 16:22.20 | wurp2 | It seems that it couldn't |
| 16:22.52 | wurp2 | And in that case, it should wake up long enough when plugged in to figure out if it's plugged into a fast charge capable plug, and wake up & charge if it is |
| 16:28.46 | RayDar | As long as I can sync my contacts with KDE PIM, I will be happy. |
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| 16:40.22 | wurp2 | RayDar: I won't be altering the address book, just inserting new data into it. It will be as if you hand-entered those contacts, so if you can sync now, you'll still be able to |
| 16:40.39 | wurp2 | RayDar: I should say, I won't be altering the address book app, just the data |
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| 17:31.48 | freelock | Hi, |
| 17:32.11 | freelock | I recently bumped from 1.0.2 to the 1.1 betas, and all my forms broke... |
| 17:32.39 | freelock | I'm using the execute parameter to call javascript, but now it actually submits the form after calling that... |
| 17:33.08 | freelock | What's the best way to stop the form submission, from within my execute function? |
| 17:38.44 | wurp2 | freelock: Are you in the right channel? |
| 17:38.55 | wurp2 | Because without context, that doesn't look OM related... |
| 17:40.15 | freelock | whoops, sorry! |
| 17:41.19 | raynet | wurp2: you are not running your websites on OM??? |
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| 18:06.58 | wurp2 | raynet: Heh, nope. Apache + tomcat (Java), Apache + TurboGears (python) |
| 18:07.34 | wurp2 | I'm afraid my neo would have to become significantly less mobile for me to run my websites on it. Or my phone bill would get pretty big... |
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| 18:13.25 | ScaredyCat | mmmmm.... |
| 18:13.40 | ScaredyCat | has anyone used/seen a helio ocean in the flesh? |
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| 18:53.53 | paron_work | So what do people tend to find the battery life on this thing tends to be for them? |
| 18:56.37 | Mononoke | paron_work: I remember someone saying about 8~10hours but that was in time with no power saving |
| 18:57.00 | ScaredyCat | errm.. |
| 18:57.05 | ScaredyCat | yo'll be lucky |
| 18:57.10 | ScaredyCat | you |
| 18:57.23 | ScaredyCat | 8-10 hours? Not yet |
| 18:57.32 | Mononoke | ah so it was todo ? :) |
| 18:57.34 | bkruse | ScaredyCat: Ya, I wish. |
| 18:58.57 | Mononoke | it's more like toy than mobile phone to battery life doesn't matter, if someone wants long battery life he should buy minimalistic phone anyway =] |
| 18:59.12 | Mononoke | *s/to/so |
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| 19:00.30 | raynet | a week of standby mode time would be nice |
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| 19:00.50 | paron_work | does the phone respond to calls when in standby mode? |
| 19:01.02 | raynet | other phones do |
| 19:01.06 | paron_work | it doesn't seem to be for me, but I'm not sure if that's due to a bug |
| 19:01.11 | paron_work | in the current release |
| 19:01.18 | paron_work | well, I know that others do |
| 19:04.32 | wurp2 | paron_work: Mine isn't responding to calls in standby |
| 19:04.41 | wurp2 | But I know other people have had it work |
| 19:05.00 | wurp2 | and 5 hours battery life is on the good side, unless you go into suspend |
| 19:05.35 | wurp2 | There was someone here who said they got 20+ hours of life in suspend (and their phone would wake from suspend on a call, as well) |
| 19:05.59 | wurp2 | Frankly, I'm running the 2/20 build, and my gsmd goes down ALL THE TIME |
| 19:06.26 | paron_work | heh, I'm running yesterday's snapshot, and it looks like the appbar *still* doesn't work |
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| 19:07.14 | paron_work | however, phone calls *mostly* work now |
| 19:07.21 | paron_work | so it's nearing a usable phone |
| 19:11.11 | wurp2 | mickey|away: Is the dbus interface settled enough for it to make sense for me to scrape it via Introspect & post it on the wiki? |
| 19:11.28 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: Maybe I should switch to your build... |
| 19:11.49 | ScaredyCat | well, you could try it... see if it helps you :) |
| 19:11.52 | wurp2 | You just need to get a Kevin for your build so people know what to expect :-) |
| 19:12.15 | ScaredyCat | true |
| 19:13.23 | wurp2 | paron_work: You might think about creating a snapshot page for the 2/27 build and fill out the parts you've already tested... |
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| 19:35.32 | cayco | hi guys! I can't find it on wiki: how to turn on fast charging from command line on neo1973? |
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| 19:37.28 | wurp2 | cayco: I have a script to do that for you automatically when slow charge is detected |
| 19:37.53 | wurp2 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CheckFastCharge-script |
| 19:38.32 | wurp2 | for doing it one time, use echo -n "fast_cccv" > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/chgmode |
| 19:38.43 | wurp2 | from http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_USB_host |
| 19:39.29 | cayco | thx wurp2 :) |
| 19:40.53 | wurp2 | cayco: yw :-) |
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| 19:53.13 | tds5016 | hello. |
| 19:53.25 | emre__ | hi |
| 19:53.25 | RedDog | hi |
| 19:53.33 | tds5016 | I was wondering if it was at all possible to get an openmoko phone onto the verzion network. |
| 19:53.47 | kdean06 | tds5016, Not until 2010, probably. |
| 19:53.59 | tds5016 | ouch. |
| 19:54.06 | mjr | that's optimistic |
| 19:54.07 | kdean06 | Verizon is using CDMA, but they're transitioning to GSM in 2009 |
| 19:54.08 | tds5016 | I hate verizon... I'll be so glad to be rid of it. |
| 19:54.17 | mjr | kdean06, oh, they are? |
| 19:54.19 | mjr | well, okay then |
| 19:54.22 | kdean06 | mjr, So I've heard. |
| 19:54.37 | tds5016 | is it possible to use the pre-paid networks on this phone? |
| 19:54.42 | kdean06 | I don't know how interoperable it will be, knowing verizon, but the underlying technology will be there. |
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| 19:54.51 | kdean06 | tds5016, Yes. :) From any GSM provider |
| 19:54.55 | tds5016 | I really want to get one and to play around with it. |
| 19:55.11 | kdean06 | tds5016, But... You can't buy one. :( Not unless you get is used. |
| 19:55.13 | summatusmentis | mjr: yeah, that's what I heard to, for their 4G network, afaik |
| 19:55.19 | emre__ | hehe.. i got a "login:" and no X :) |
| 19:55.28 | tds5016 | can't get what? |
| 19:55.29 | emre__ | how am i supposed to log in :) |
| 19:55.33 | kdean06 | Neo1973 units are sold out, and Freerunner isn't on sale yet. |
| 19:55.39 | mjr | recall too that a used neo1973 won't work on 850 MHz, which may be an issue for US people |
| 19:55.42 | abraxa_ | emre__: On the Neo? |
| 19:55.46 | emre__ | yes.. |
| 19:55.49 | mjr | freerunner should have a 850 version |
| 19:55.51 | abraxa_ | emre__: Can you ssh into it? |
| 19:56.02 | emre__ | sure. let me try to run x from ssh. |
| 19:56.13 | abraxa_ | ...that was the idea behind it ;) |
| 19:56.19 | tds5016 | in all honest I wasn't planning on getting one right away, but I am looking into getting one in the near-ish future. |
| 19:56.28 | tds5016 | how is it to develop for one of these phones on linux? |
| 19:56.31 | kdean06 | Ah, okay. :) |
| 19:56.36 | tds5016 | and what languages are supported? |
| 19:56.42 | kdean06 | All of them. :) |
| 19:56.42 | emre__ | uhh, no ssh.. |
| 19:56.49 | kdean06 | It's a small GNU/Linux computer. |
| 19:57.12 | kdean06 | It runs X, so anything X supports is fair game, though C/C++ is at it's core. |
| 19:57.19 | tds5016 | awesome. So I'll plug it in, and the fs should be readable I'm assuming :-). |
| 19:57.39 | mjr | no, you plug it in and you get an usb network |
| 19:57.40 | abraxa_ | emre__: Odd.. what image did you flash? |
| 19:57.42 | SirBob1701 | is freerunner gonna have ruby installed out of the box? or do you recomend sticking with python? |
| 19:57.43 | tds5016 | welp, I prefer c++ in all honesty. I've been using java way too much recently. |
| 19:57.48 | abraxa_ | SirBob1701: python |
| 19:57.54 | kdean06 | It doesn't work that way... It's not seen as a mass storage device, but you can SSH into it as if it's on your network (via USB or GPRS) |
| 19:58.14 | tds5016 | oh, that's REALLY nice. |
| 19:58.16 | kdean06 | But yeah, the entire filesystem is accessable. |
| 19:58.17 | emre__ | I've installed the OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080220-fic-gta01.rootfs.tar file into the SD card. While booting I've got many errors (probably, since i couldn't see them) and finally got the login screen with no X. |
| 19:59.03 | abraxa_ | emre__: I don't have experience with booting from SD, I'm afraid... |
| 19:59.07 | tds5016 | how do you transfer the code? (I've not done any coding for a device like this before, but I'll be excited to) |
| 19:59.37 | mjr | ipkg -i or whatever you'd use with a networked linux box |
| 19:59.53 | abraxa_ | tds5016: You can use ipkg, scp or just work on the device itself (e.g. using python) |
| 19:59.55 | kdean06 | There's a utility called dfu-util and then ssh, scp, wget or whatever you prefer. |
| 19:59.57 | emre__ | I've followed the instructions on the wiki. Actually, there wasn't anything strange. Just untar'ed the .tar file into /media/card copied the kernel into the /boot and selected boot from sd option in the boot menu. |
| 20:00.01 | wurp2 | Or scp files over |
| 20:00.21 | wurp2 | sorry, let me just parrot parts of what kdean06 says ;-) |
| 20:00.26 | kdean06 | :P |
| 20:00.39 | tds5016 | welp, I don't know python yet, and I'd rather just write the code in c/c++. but that would work very well. thanks! |
| 20:01.05 | wurp2 | tds5016: You can develop in qemu if you want to get started before you get a device |
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| 20:01.39 | wurp2 | rather, you can develop in the cross-compilation suite and test on qemu |
| 20:02.09 | kdean06 | MokoMakefile. :) |
| 20:02.10 | RedDog | is the power-btn not longer able to resume? |
| 20:02.29 | tds5016 | qemu? |
| 20:02.51 | kdean06 | RedDog, I just resumed from it using power on today's snapshot but I recall that having been an issue a few days ago... |
| 20:03.25 | ScaredyCat | RedDog: that is fixed now... |
| 20:03.35 | ScaredyCat | but the screen goes all shitty on resume |
| 20:04.20 | tds5016 | processor emulator, eh... |
| 20:04.33 | tds5016 | how exactly do I get this to act as if it is the openmoko? |
| 20:04.34 | RedDog | ScaredyCat: since when, it's a very very fresh build ;) |
| 20:04.57 | RedDog | ScaredyCat: display is ok with my patch ^^ |
| 20:05.12 | RedDog | i actually suspended and resume 6 times and it seems to work! ;) |
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| 20:06.21 | emre__ | Folks, has anyone ever boot from the SD card? |
| 20:06.41 | tds5016 | wurp2, is there any way you can help getting me started with qemu and the neo1973 |
| 20:07.52 | kdean06 | tds5016, http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Mokomakefile this will help you |
| 20:08.08 | tds5016 | thanks! |
| 20:08.53 | kdean06 | There's a makefile command for building a QEMU image and running the software stack in the emulated environment. You can also use that same script to build images that can be flashed to the hardware. Quite handy. :) |
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| 20:12.37 | tds5016 | really? that's pretty awesome! |
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| 20:16.58 | wurp2 | tds5016: I'm sorry, not really. I haven't done any qemu work on it (I have the device). |
| 20:17.34 | wurp2 | tds5016: But search http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/ for qemu, and that with Mokomakefile should take care of you, until you hit the parts where everyone has build failures :-) |
| 20:18.48 | kdean06 | I've never had a problem on Debian Sid using the AMD64 arch. I may be lucky. :) |
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| 20:23.30 | tds5016 | I'm using ubuntu (I used to be a slackware user but got too lazy to keep up with it) |
| 20:23.32 | wurp2 | kdean06: You can build using the Mokomakefile? |
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| 20:23.53 | kdean06 | Yeah. I've done builds just to see if I can, after seeing you complain. |
| 20:23.55 | wurp2 | I'm using ubuntu 7.10 and I've tried dozens of times to build, and all fail |
| 20:23.57 | wurp2 | :-) |
| 20:24.12 | wurp2 | Hmm, maybe I'll try on my debian server, then |
| 20:24.40 | kdean06 | Granted, it's possible that you just get bad revisions more frequently than I do, but it's also possible the compiler has a bug or all sorts of things. |
| 20:25.00 | wurp2 | My problems have never appeared to be architecture related. Possibly related to what packages (and what versions of them) are installed |
| 20:25.07 | kdean06 | wurp2, And for the record, the daily build images got delayed because openmoko-tasks2 was failing to compile so... |
| 20:25.09 | wurp2 | Well, at first I was getting download failures |
| 20:25.30 | wurp2 | Which looked to me like problems external to my box |
| 20:26.00 | kdean06 | I'm not sure if I'm getting more critical of if GSM is just getting flakier, but I'm striking out a LOT. ::( |
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| 20:26.27 | Viliam_Volos_V | hi all,i instal on HTC Magician Angstrom with OpenMoko,and i have a qustion - how to change locale on Ru ? |
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| 20:29.19 | wurp2 | When I dug my way past those (I think I downloaded the files from another source), I got other weird errors... some flag not being recognized by a tool called internally by one of the build tools |
| 20:29.31 | wurp2 | gsm has been bad for me since I updated to 2/20 |
| 20:30.14 | wurp2 | I can literally start gsmd, run my script to pull all SIM contacts (which works OK) then immediately afterward, gsmd is down |
| 20:30.41 | wurp2 | And most of the time when I look at my gsm connection, it says requesting, but then settingsgui indicates that gsmd is totally down |
| 20:30.59 | wurp2 | (looking at the connection on the title bar of the home page) |
| 20:31.05 | tds5016 | how does the gps work by the way? |
| 20:31.18 | wurp2 | tds5016: You mean how well does it work? |
| 20:31.23 | tds5016 | does that work over the cell network? or is it it's own network so you don't have to pay to use the company's network. |
| 20:31.32 | wurp2 | Nah, it uses gps satellites |
| 20:31.36 | wurp2 | no charge |
| 20:31.50 | tds5016 | okay, that's what Iwas wondering... verizon charges for it. that's why I was asking. |
| 20:31.52 | wurp2 | They just broadcast, so anyone with a receiver can pick up the data |
| 20:31.59 | wurp2 | verizon is screwing you :-) |
| 20:32.00 | abraxa_ | Viliam_Volos_V: I'd assume you have to install the appropriate locale package and use it |
| 20:32.04 | tds5016 | I have a basic understanding of how it works, but I wanted ot make sure. |
| 20:32.28 | tds5016 | mtn: doing anonymous pull; use -kKEYNAME if you need authentication |
| 20:32.28 | tds5016 | mtn: connecting to monotone.openmoko.org |
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| 20:32.37 | tds5016 | yay for that's taking forever... |
| 20:32.50 | Viliam_Volos_V | i must install fontsfor new locale ? |
| 20:32.56 | wurp2 | oh, mokomake will take most of a day |
| 20:33.12 | tds5016 | geez! just to install a phone emulator?! |
| 20:33.16 | wurp2 | if it works :-) |
| 20:33.31 | abraxa_ | tds5016: What command did you enter? |
| 20:33.32 | wurp2 | tds5016: Mokomake builds the whole OM stack, from the kernel up |
| 20:33.34 | tds5016 | why could that possible take that long? haha. |
| 20:33.43 | tds5016 | make setup |
| 20:33.50 | wurp2 | You can install qemu and an image without doing mokomake |
| 20:33.55 | abraxa_ | tds5016: You don't need make setup if you want just qemu |
| 20:34.24 | tds5016 | welp, I wanna get this running with qemu. I don't know how to really do it thouhg, and I assumed this somewhat automated the process. |
| 20:34.25 | abraxa_ | Viliam_Volos_V: Since OpenMoko is OE-based it might be a good idea to ask in #openembedded |
| 20:34.39 | tds5016 | I'm not really familiar with qemu :-) |
| 20:35.02 | Viliam_Volos_V | ok i ask |
| 20:35.08 | tds5016 | mtn: error: I/O failure while talking to peer monotone.openmoko.org, disconnecting |
| 20:35.08 | tds5016 | make: *** [setup-mtn] Error 1 |
| 20:35.10 | tds5016 | ouch :-) |
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| 20:35.45 | tds5016 | how would I set it up without using the mokomake? |
| 20:36.41 | abraxa_ | tds5016: "make qemu" |
| 20:37.21 | tds5016 | how would I run the device with qemu? |
| 20:37.44 | tds5016 | or better yet instead of me bothering you guys :-)... Is there a tutorial on qemu? |
| 20:37.56 | abraxa_ | tds5016: There are several makefile targets that aid with that - the "qemu" target takes care of it all to get you up and running |
| 20:38.49 | abraxa_ | tds5016: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Using_QEMU_with_MokoMakefile |
| 20:39.02 | tds5016 | thanks. maybe I can stop being a pain :-) |
| 20:40.24 | tds5016 | will qemu start up a gui? |
| 20:40.37 | tds5016 | or does it just allow me access as if I'm ssh'd in? |
| 20:40.41 | wurp2 | I thought you could install qemu without doing any mokomake stuff... |
| 20:40.53 | wurp2 | Which I would think would be where tds5016 would want to start... |
| 20:41.11 | wurp2 | It starts a gui, which looks like the neo screen |
| 20:41.16 | wurp2 | On my box it is VERY slow |
| 20:41.20 | abraxa_ | wurp2: Using MokoMakefile does not equal building the distribution :) |
| 20:41.44 | tds5016 | how long should make -qemu take? |
| 20:41.50 | wurp2 | abraxa_: Sure, but if he can install a prebuilt qemu, which I think is how I did it, it will get him seeing something MUCH faster |
| 20:41.54 | tds5016 | just curious becuase I've to be headed off to class :-) |
| 20:42.22 | abraxa_ | wurp2: I don't think the qemu-1973 fork has prebuilt binaries |
| 20:42.31 | abraxa_ | Maybe on some buildhost... |
| 20:42.43 | tds5016 | thanks guys! be back in a few. |
| 20:42.46 | wurp2 | abraxa_: Weird, I got it set up on mine, and I didn't think I built anything to make that happen |
| 20:43.04 | abraxa_ | See you, tds5016 |
| 20:43.07 | wurp2 | I thought I just followed some page on the wiki |
| 20:43.19 | abraxa_ | wurp2: *shrugs*... we'll see how it goes for him :) |
| 20:43.23 | wurp2 | but that was months ago, and it was too slow to do much with |
| 20:43.39 | wurp2 | wurp2: Sure, if he can build, he's better off in the longer run |
| 20:45.24 | tds5016 | SWEET! |
| 20:45.43 | tds5016 | looks like it's loading an x session. |
| 20:45.44 | wurp2 | er, don't mind me talking to myself |
| 20:46.04 | tds5016 | it's going slow as hell, and coming up with a lot of bad resgisters, but so long as it doesn't crash I'm happy :-) |
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| 20:47.30 | tds5016 | wow, why does qemu run openmoko so slowly? |
| 20:47.36 | tds5016 | I hope the device isn't this slow in real life? |
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| 20:47.47 | tds5016 | or is it just slow because of the emulation? |
| 20:49.12 | wurp2 | The device is nowhere near that slow |
| 20:49.22 | wurp2 | You can search for neo1973 on youtube to see the device in action |
| 20:49.39 | wurp2 | I have been told that the emulation is about the same speed as the device for many people |
| 20:49.56 | kdean06 | The Neo is pretty slow. :P |
| 20:49.58 | wurp2 | for me it is really about 50 times slower for most operations |
| 20:50.15 | kdean06 | In comparison to other phones... Yeah. :P |
| 20:50.18 | wurp2 | Yeah, but qemu takes minutes to switch screens for me |
| 20:50.28 | kdean06 | QEMU is a bit slower than running it on hardware though. |
| 20:50.56 | wurp2 | (In the "for me it is" comment, 'it' is qemu, 50 x slower than the neo) |
| 20:51.15 | tds5016 | so how do I start writing the software on this thing? |
| 20:52.34 | wurp2 | Hey, has anyone looked into putting preload on the neo? |
| 20:53.01 | wurp2 | tds5016: For C/C++ work, use Mokomakefile or Toolchain (instructions on the wiki) |
| 20:53.10 | wurp2 | For python, just install the ipks and write code |
| 20:53.18 | tds5016 | after running qemu it began to run, then I closed the window... how do I get qemu to start the image again? |
| 20:53.40 | wurp2 | I don't remember :-) I use my device ;-) |
| 20:54.00 | tds5016 | found it :-) |
| 20:54.00 | wurp2 | preload might make a huge difference in perceived performance on the neo |
| 20:54.33 | ScaredyCat | RedDog: your patch ? |
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| 20:55.05 | RedDog | kernel-mailingliste |
| 20:56.41 | pike_ | i dont suppose there will be an early dev release of GTA02? ;^) |
| 20:57.10 | wurp2 | pike_: Yes |
| 20:57.18 | wurp2 | We will get the hardware in March or April |
| 20:57.31 | RedDog | ScaredyCat: did you find it? |
| 20:57.36 | wurp2 | Whereas the software to make an end user ready phone will be end of the year, if we're lucky :-) |
| 20:57.44 | ScaredyCat | no... |
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| 21:00.55 | pike_ | ah, i though general release was april |
| 21:01.51 | ScaredyCat | I don;t see an other patches RedDog |
| 21:02.00 | ScaredyCat | s/an/any/ |
| 21:03.18 | wurp2 | pike_: Well, anyone can buy the hardware in April, I think |
| 21:03.25 | RedDog | unfortunatly the web interface don't show the mail right: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-February/001401.html |
| 21:03.37 | RedDog | if you like i can send it direct to you |
| 21:04.03 | wurp2 | pike_: But if you're not willing to tolerate alpha level software, run Linux, & fiddle with config files you're probably not going to be happy with the total package (hardware + software) |
| 21:06.35 | ScaredyCat | did they include your patch then... lemmie check |
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| 21:08.46 | RedDog | ScaredyCat: ? |
| 21:08.59 | ScaredyCat | it's in there |
| 21:10.24 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.24 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:11.01 | wurp2 | Does anyone know how to make an environment on the desktop that uses the neo's gtk theme, so I can run glade in it and get a closer to wysiwyg for building guis for the neo? |
| 21:11.32 | wurp2 | i.e., either an easy way to switch to the neo theme and back to my standard PC theme, or a way to run a program with an explicit theme |
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| 21:11.39 | ScaredyCat | modify your gtkrc |
| 21:11.54 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: Thanks, I'll google on that & work from there |
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| 21:13.26 | ScaredyCat | i guess you could just copy the neo's files.. |
| 21:13.37 | ScaredyCat | and it's gtkrc |
| 21:13.46 | ScaredyCat | after backing up your current one :) |
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| 21:14.27 | ScaredyCat | have you tried a resume RedDog? |
| 21:16.32 | wurp2 | ScaredyCat: Cool, thanks! |
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| 21:17.13 | wurp2 | As is probably obvious, I have no experience with gtk beyond what I've gotten playing just a bit in the last couple of weeks while building the charge checking daemon |
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| 21:32.35 | wurp2 | Is randomization broken on the media player now? |
| 21:33.53 | wurp2 | Oh, it's not broken, I was being an idiot |
| 21:37.12 | kdean06 | wurp2, Did you get the GTK theme working? I was planning to do that yesterday. :P |
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| 21:37.57 | wurp2 | kdean06: You mean on my home machine? |
| 21:38.31 | kdean06 | Well, since you say "home machine" I assume you're NOT at home and it's the answer is "No.". But yes, on a full desktop PC. :) |
| 21:38.35 | wurp2 | I was just asking about putting the neo theme on my desktop for reference when I get home :-) |
| 21:39.06 | wurp2 | Since the room seems to pretty much clear out here at about 4pm |
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| 21:56.00 | wurp2 | kdean06: See what I mean? ;-) |
| 21:56.24 | kdean06 | Yeah, I've seen that too, but it's 5. :) |
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| 22:30.45 | abraxa_ | wurp2: You want to use the OM GTK theme on your desktop? |
| 22:30.56 | kdean06 | Me too. :) |
| 22:31.04 | kdean06 | Proof-of-concept. :) |
| 22:31.38 | abraxa_ | I'd say http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/How_to_run_OpenMoko_Apps_on_PC#Set_your_theme_to_OpenMoko is what you want |
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| 22:41.04 | wurp2 | abraxa_: I just want to use it so I can build guis with Glade and see them the way they'll look on the neo |
| 22:41.34 | wurp2 | abraxa_: Then I want to shut it right back off. Hey, thanks for the link! I guess I should search the wiki first, next time :-) |
| 22:42.42 | abraxa_ | You're welcome |
| 22:46.41 | ScaredyCat | it's actually much later than 5.... |
| 22:46.42 | ScaredyCat | [2008-02-28 21:55:54] <kdean06> Yeah, I've seen that too, but it's 5. :) |
| 22:46.51 | kdean06 | :p |
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| 23:45.33 | tds5016 | yup... I'm really thinking that the qemu version of the phone that I'm emulating is most definitely not going ot be as fast as running it on the hardware. haha. |
| 23:45.37 | tds5016 | or at least I hope.... |
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| 23:49.11 | abraxa_ | tds5016: http://www.vanille-media.de/images/Fosdem2008-Neo1973-mid.m4v gives you a better idea |
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