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| 02:47.09 | exploid | Anyone here got it running in canada? |
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| 03:50.31 | raster | moo |
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| 03:54.32 | RayDar | Hey guys. |
| 03:54.48 | RayDar | Has anything new and nifty been added in the last month or so? |
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| 04:18.15 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03werner * r4119 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta01-inputdevice.patch: |
| 04:18.15 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Oops, didn't mean to break GTA01Bv3. |
| 04:18.15 | CIA-16 | openmoko: gta01-inputdevice.patch: |
| 04:18.15 | CIA-16 | openmoko: - drivers/input/keyboard/neo1973kbd.c (neo1973kbd_probe): reverted change in |
| 04:18.15 | CIA-16 | openmoko: r4114 and made AUX a wakeup source for GTA01 again |
| 04:18.18 | CIA-16 | openmoko: - drivers/input/keyboard/neo1973kbd.c (neo1973kbd_probe): added a comment |
| 04:18.20 | CIA-16 | openmoko: explaining why |
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| 04:36.26 | RayDar | Wow, I just tried uImage-2.6.24+svnr4114-r4110-r3-neo1973.bin and it doesn't boot... just prints the same thing over and over. |
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| 04:40.37 | abraxa__ | RayDar: If you ssh into the Neo and start /etc/init.d/xnodm then it'll run X and should run it from then on as supposed to |
| 04:44.40 | RayDar | abraxa__: Thanks for the tip. I will give it a try. |
| 04:46.36 | holycow | hallo mokomonkeys |
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| 05:07.16 | RayDar | Hi Holy |
| 05:07.29 | RayDar | abraxa__: I don't have an /etc/init.d/xnodm |
| 05:08.32 | RayDar | abraxa__: Ah, I see /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm |
| 05:09.25 | RayDar | abraxa__: Hmmm, that didn't seem to fix it. |
| 05:10.21 | RayDar | abraxa__: Doh! I ran it again and it started up.... kinda flaky |
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| 05:45.28 | RayDar | Heheh, I have a newer version of the kernel on my phone than on my laptop and desktops |
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| 07:15.42 | RayDar | laterz dudes |
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| 07:36.09 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03werner * r4120 10/developers/werner/memspeed/ (. Makefile memspeed.c): Quick and dirty physical memory speed tester. |
| 07:37.18 | blindcoder | moin |
| 07:38.31 | methril | morning |
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| 08:01.47 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:15.55 | methril | mornning |
| 08:18.04 | ScaredyCat | bad werner, naughty werner - in your bed. |
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| 08:27.51 | TRIsoft | morning |
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| 08:41.10 | Psi_ | hm.. gllin was working fine yesterday, now i get 'stack size 8860 bytes (9k)' and it quits. (Yes i do have a cat /tmp/nmeaNP running) |
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| 08:57.31 | Mononoke | moin all |
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| 09:18.12 | _diego_ | Psi_, sometimes happen to me too, but usually if i restart it, it works fine |
| 09:22.25 | Psi_ | _diego_, i restarted once and it didnt seem to help |
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| 09:59.02 | dbmoodb | maybe due april now what ? |
| 09:59.30 | dbmoodb | what changed ... |
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| 10:41.38 | CIA-16 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r82 10/trunk/software/pyneod/setup.py: pyneod: repair setup.py syntax |
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| 10:45.13 | mbuf | can someone provide a recent MokoMakefile that builds fine? |
| 10:54.31 | methril | <mbuf> Did you try make update? |
| 10:56.50 | ruoso | I'm using the 20080220 image and I'm experiencing a problem... gsm stops working after suspend and doesn't work when the phone wakes up... |
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| 10:57.13 | ruoso | I queried bugzilla, but I couldn't find any bug report on that |
| 10:57.27 | ruoso | is it a known issue? |
| 10:58.16 | SpeedEvil | It's more a case of at this point, it's still not stable |
| 10:58.49 | ruoso | the hardware or the software? |
| 10:58.52 | ruoso | or both? |
| 10:58.54 | SpeedEvil | The software |
| 10:59.19 | SpeedEvil | there is limited testing of new versions before committing. |
| 10:59.57 | ruoso | is there any information I can give in order to help catching that specific case? |
| 11:00.17 | SpeedEvil | In some cases, due to lack of time, it seems to be a case of 'if it compiles, ship it' - which is understandable really. |
| 11:00.29 | SpeedEvil | Someone was doing tests of each new image I think |
| 11:00.48 | ruoso | yes.. I took the image from the snapshot_review page on the wii |
| 11:00.49 | ruoso | wiki |
| 11:04.49 | SpeedEvil | ah- that'll be it. |
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| 11:16.36 | ruoso | it's sad, because the battery won't last for an idle night... that makes the phone unusable... |
| 11:16.53 | dbmoodb | what not its not |
| 11:17.04 | dbmoodb | just make it turn off at night when you are sleeping as it should |
| 11:18.34 | ruoso | heh... |
| 11:18.51 | dbmoodb | no really |
| 11:18.57 | dbmoodb | don't you turn your phone off at night ? |
| 11:19.02 | dbmoodb | want a call at 1 am |
| 11:19.03 | dbmoodb | or a sms |
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| 11:19.51 | ruoso | ok... anyway... I may be away from my computer for more than four hours... and it seems that the battery won't hold for that long |
| 11:22.44 | XorA | it will last 24 hours in suspend |
| 11:23.11 | ruoso | XorA, the problem is that gsm stops working after some suspend-resume cycles |
| 11:23.26 | XorA | oh, I thought that was supposed to be fixed |
| 11:23.43 | ruoso | 20080220 still fails... |
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| 11:29.54 | mbuf | anyone have a recent MokoMakefile that builds fine? |
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| 11:32.27 | XorA | ruoso: :-( |
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| 11:44.37 | `pwgen` | mikeyl: where can i find the famous gsmd with dbusinterface ? |
| 11:45.01 | CIA-16 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r83 10/trunk/software/pyneod/setup.py: pyneod: rewrite setup.py |
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| 12:54.43 | Susannasu | Hi there, I'd have a few questions.. |
| 12:55.09 | Susannasu | I'd like to know a bit about the developer tools you use for openmoko/neo/gta02 |
| 12:55.09 | cjb_ie | well, hopefully we have some answers. no guarantees though. |
| 12:55.26 | Susannasu | You use gcc ? |
| 12:55.29 | SpeedEvil | Susannasu: gcc/ openembedded/... |
| 12:56.07 | Susannasu | how about valgrind ? |
| 12:56.21 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03werner * r4121 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (pcf50633-suspend-hacks.patch series): (log message trimmed) |
| 12:56.21 | CIA-16 | openmoko: fix-pcf50633-one-shot-resume.patch |
| 12:56.21 | CIA-16 | openmoko: From: Andy Green <andy@openmoko.com> |
| 12:56.21 | CIA-16 | openmoko: The wakeup sources behind the PMU interrupt only worked once |
| 12:56.21 | CIA-16 | openmoko: as a wakeup source for suspend. This is because of further |
| 12:56.22 | Susannasu | can you just ssh to the target and run that ? |
| 12:56.25 | CIA-16 | openmoko: resume sequencing trouble meaning that the PMU interrupt |
| 12:56.27 | CIA-16 | openmoko: gets accepted for service before the I2C driver resumed and |
| 12:57.18 | Susannasu | apparently you have a shell on that end cause one can ssh to the phone ? |
| 12:58.01 | Susannasu | Is there a page somewhere on the net to get started ? |
| 12:58.31 | Susannasu | I'm interesting in how easy it is to compile, upload to target and run tests on the target |
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| 12:58.57 | SpeedEvil | Once you've got the toolchain setup and understood, easy. |
| 12:59.26 | Susannasu | scratchbox ? |
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| 13:00.35 | mbuf | hi, does anyone have a recent successful build? if yes, can you pastebin the MokoMakefile? |
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| 13:01.05 | Susannasu | Ok, can you direct me to a good page to get started ? |
| 13:01.11 | Susannasu | And thanks. |
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| 13:02.14 | Susannasu | got it already |
| 13:02.16 | Susannasu | bye :) |
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| 13:06.58 | Sup3rkiddo | hi all, will OM apply as a mentor organisation for the gsoc? |
| 13:07.04 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03werner * r4122 10/trunk/src/host/devirginator/setup.sh: |
| 13:07.04 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Fixed various silly bugs. Devirginating GTA02v5 now works. NOR is still |
| 13:07.04 | CIA-16 | openmoko: missing. |
| 13:07.05 | CIA-16 | openmoko: - setup.sh: progress is good, but the right word here really is "process" |
| 13:07.05 | CIA-16 | openmoko: - setup.sh: use new USB ID for GTA02 |
| 13:07.05 | CIA-16 | openmoko: - setup.sh: "-s" was missing in env_size_opt |
| 13:07.09 | CIA-16 | openmoko: - setup.sh: unlike cpp, envedit.pl needs a space between -D and the token |
| 13:07.30 | mickeyl | Sup3rkiddo: almost sure about that, yea |
| 13:07.44 | Sup3rkiddo | mickeyl, :D cool, thanls |
| 13:07.46 | Sup3rkiddo | *thanks |
| 13:11.00 | exploid | anyone got it running on a network in canada? |
| 13:12.48 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03werner * r4123 10/trunk/src/host/devirginator/config.gta02v5: Example devirginator configuration for GTA02v5. |
| 13:15.20 | mwester-trip | exploid: The standard gta01 was unable to register with Rogers in Ottawa when I tested it there; the modified gta01 (with 850MHz support) does work there. |
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| 13:16.29 | mwester-trip | There have been discussions that indicate that at least in some locations Rogers requires the phone to speak on 850 in order to work on 1900, if this is so, then the gta01 (and presumably the gta02) will not work in those locations. |
| 13:16.43 | exploid | ok |
| 13:19.51 | buz | that must be particular to rogers then, other carriers never had any issue with my 900/1800/1900 phone |
| 13:20.27 | buz | (that applies to us carriers however) |
| 13:21.11 | exploid | well here in Canada the networks are pretty crappy :/ |
| 13:25.16 | `pwgen` | mikeyl: where can i find the gsmd with dbus support ? |
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| 13:26.54 | mickeyl | there is no definite source for that |
| 13:27.01 | mickeyl | there is an ixonos gsmd |
| 13:27.04 | mickeyl | there is the pygsmd |
| 13:27.09 | mickeyl | both speak dbus |
| 13:27.14 | mickeyl | but not the freesmartphone.org API (yet) |
| 13:27.24 | mickeyl | pygsmd is in the freesmartphone.org repository |
| 13:27.32 | mickeyl | ixonos gsmd will probably be in there soon as well |
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| 13:28.14 | mickeyl | i expect pygsmd to speak freesmartphon.org API within the next 2 weeks |
| 13:28.27 | mickeyl | then you can write applications based on that |
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| 13:30.20 | `pwgen` | thx i ill have a look at the freesmartphon.org pygsmd |
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| 13:36.48 | `pwgen` | hmm. pygsmd use the gsmd. gsmd does not work wery well . |
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| 13:47.22 | emdete | `pwgen`: pygsmd does /not/ use gsmd or anything. it uses pyserial to directly talk to the modem |
| 13:47.37 | emdete | `pwgen`: if you like it can be used together with the muxer. |
| 13:48.09 | emdete | `pwgen`: where did you see that gsmd is used? |
| 13:49.11 | emdete | `pwgen`: pygsmd was written /because/ gsmd does not work reliable. today pygsmd work well without muxer and has some minor issues if used with the muxer |
| 13:49.35 | mickeyl | by the way |
| 13:49.43 | mickeyl | OM Inc. seems to think gsmd works very reliable nowadays |
| 13:49.49 | mickeyl | we should either prove them wrong or take a 2nd look |
| 13:49.51 | mickeyl | just FYI |
| 13:50.17 | emdete | mickeyl: you are right. but i have no time for that. so i shut up and just tell pygsmd uses dbus ;) |
| 13:50.26 | mickeyl | heh |
| 13:50.30 | mickeyl | someone has to check that |
| 13:50.33 | mickeyl | not necessarily you |
| 13:50.45 | mickeyl | we have 4 options for a phone server now |
| 13:50.51 | mickeyl | 4 backend options, that is |
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| 13:51.07 | mickeyl | "someone" needs to evaluate and report |
| 13:51.09 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 13:51.30 | emdete | cool, would be nice if all would talk the same langu.. eeh api :D |
| 13:51.37 | mickeyl | that's for sure |
| 13:51.43 | mickeyl | freesmartphone.org API is a must |
| 13:52.03 | emdete | hopefully |
| 13:52.11 | mickeyl | i really like the storage thing btw. |
| 13:52.17 | mickeyl | and have some ideas for 'event' |
| 13:52.54 | ScaredyCat | what language is ixonos gsmd written in? |
| 13:52.55 | emdete | :D fine. talked to abraxa__ about that yesterday. asked him if he would be interested in buidling a enhanced (!) eds replacement |
| 13:53.02 | mickeyl | ScaredyCat: C |
| 13:53.14 | mickeyl | emdete: excellent, that'd really rock. |
| 13:53.19 | ScaredyCat | goodie... available soon.. ? |
| 13:53.29 | mickeyl | ScaredyCat: i think so |
| 13:53.31 | emdete | mickeyl: that's good to here. i always wonder how to fuzzy-find relations |
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| 13:54.01 | emdete | mickeyl: say you get a text including a email and gets autom. related to the correct contact! |
| 13:54.37 | mickeyl | *nod* |
| 13:55.46 | emdete | *dream* |
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| 13:56.11 | mickeyl | everything is possible |
| 13:56.16 | mickeyl | once we all pull on the same strings |
| 13:56.21 | emdete | yes, i heard we have 6mon ;) |
| 13:56.26 | XorA | I want a phone that makes all my phonecalls for me :-) |
| 13:56.33 | emdete | that's a challenge |
| 13:57.01 | emdete | XorA: hey, thats already done - i put a cronjob walking through your contact list :D |
| 13:57.04 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:57.09 | XorA | and an eliza bot for spammers, "So how do you really feel about double glazing?" |
| 13:57.28 | emdete | XorA: :D |
| 13:57.32 | emdete | ScaredyCat: ? |
| 13:57.38 | ScaredyCat | what is it |
| 13:57.50 | emdete | ScaredyCat: the gui for the pyneo project |
| 13:58.13 | ScaredyCat | is it worth checking out? |
| 13:58.19 | ScaredyCat | or is it too early |
| 13:58.25 | emdete | ScaredyCat: first check mickeyl's movie :D |
| 13:58.38 | ScaredyCat | where is it? |
| 13:58.49 | ScaredyCat | not in svn |
| 13:58.49 | ScaredyCat | :( |
| 13:59.25 | mickeyl | how about checking my blog? |
| 13:59.36 | mickeyl | you do _not_ read my blog every day? |
| 13:59.43 | mickeyl | that's depressing |
| 14:00.01 | mickeyl | at least you should check planet.openmoko.org every 1h ;) |
| 14:00.10 | mickeyl | but the typeset on my page is better |
| 14:00.13 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 14:01.43 | XorA | ScaredyCat: dont be to bad, I didnt even know about your repos until a couple of days before FOSDEM |
| 14:01.55 | ScaredyCat | hehe |
| 14:02.18 | XorA | ScaredyCat: and only then becuase people emailed bugs about them to people in OM at random |
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| 14:02.33 | ScaredyCat | !! |
| 14:02.42 | ScaredyCat | wtf |
| 14:02.50 | ScaredyCat | I never get any feedback... |
| 14:02.58 | ScaredyCat | you're getting it! |
| 14:02.59 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 14:03.02 | methril | then, you have some SoC? I'm interested too |
| 14:03.08 | XorA | ScaredyCat: but it goes to random marketing people |
| 14:03.12 | XorA | ScaredyCat: go figure |
| 14:05.10 | mickeyl | well, it's not clear yet |
| 14:05.13 | mickeyl | first someone needs to apply |
| 14:05.16 | ScaredyCat | good god someone needs to be shot for that colour scheme!!! |
| 14:05.17 | mickeyl | second we need to get accepted |
| 14:05.26 | mickeyl | third we need to have convincing ideas |
| 14:05.30 | mickeyl | fourth we need mentors |
| 14:05.32 | mickeyl | ... |
| 14:06.07 | mickeyl | yes, yellow/blue is a bit on the odd side. i would have preferred something greyish, but this is about the least thing I'm worried about |
| 14:07.34 | ScaredyCat | hehe |
| 14:07.35 | `pwgen` | can someone point me out where i can find the pygsmd you are talking about ? |
| 14:07.44 | ScaredyCat | I'm impressed. |
| 14:07.51 | ScaredyCat | particularly with the speed... |
| 14:07.58 | ScaredyCat | does it actually work as a phone? |
| 14:08.27 | mickeyl | sure |
| 14:08.47 | ScaredyCat | right, I'll give it a try then |
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| 14:09.10 | mickeyl | we don't have an image yet |
| 14:09.13 | mickeyl | working on that |
| 14:09.18 | mickeyl | should be ready by the end of the week |
| 14:09.22 | ScaredyCat | but I can build one no? |
| 14:09.31 | ScaredyCat | I have your svn stuff here |
| 14:09.40 | XorA | that is sweet (apart from colours, theme support come quickly) |
| 14:09.42 | mickeyl | i don't know if that is complete |
| 14:09.46 | mickeyl | emdete: ? |
| 14:09.49 | ScaredyCat | gneh! |
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| 14:10.09 | XorA | more interesting than the current windows mobile clone |
| 14:10.27 | ScaredyCat | the scroll speed is quite impressive... |
| 14:10.49 | mickeyl | the thing is |
| 14:10.53 | mickeyl | it shows what we _can_ do |
| 14:10.58 | mickeyl | once we start exploring new ideas |
| 14:11.05 | mickeyl | working towards solutions we can use |
| 14:11.10 | mickeyl | instead of copying stuff that's out there |
| 14:11.32 | XorA | yes |
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| 14:11.35 | ScaredyCat | still takes > 1min to boot :( |
| 14:12.03 | ScaredyCat | bstards |
| 14:12.09 | XorA | thats the sort of interface my wife has begged for in a phone |
| 14:12.13 | mickeyl | boot time is no biggie |
| 14:12.13 | ScaredyCat | made me learn qtopia && gtk ... |
| 14:12.18 | ScaredyCat | now I have to do pyhton |
| 14:12.21 | mickeyl | we can bring this to 40 seconds |
| 14:12.38 | XorA | its ok, python will make your eyes bleed, lose all sanity, then you dont care anymore |
| 14:12.54 | mickeyl | ya |
| 14:12.55 | ScaredyCat | :'( |
| 14:12.58 | mickeyl | and honestly |
| 14:13.02 | mickeyl | if you don't like python |
| 14:13.06 | mickeyl | you can replace stuff |
| 14:13.08 | ScaredyCat | what is that pointer? a tampon ? |
| 14:13.12 | mickeyl | either on top |
| 14:13.16 | mickeyl | or below the dbus line |
| 14:13.56 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 14:14.07 | mickeyl | i can't remember |
| 14:14.15 | mickeyl | i discovered python in 1998 |
| 14:14.21 | mickeyl | as part of a lecture |
| 14:14.33 | mickeyl | 4 years later i wrote the book; ) |
| 14:14.45 | XorA | wow in 1998 I was coding 8051, 8080, and 68K based assembly |
| 14:14.49 | ScaredyCat | yeah, but >> whitespace << |
| 14:14.56 | ScaredyCat | wtf with the whitespace! |
| 14:15.27 | mickeyl | Knuth has blessed using whitespace as structure device. Who are you to question Knuth? |
| 14:15.42 | ScaredyCat | pfft..... |
| 14:15.49 | mickeyl | PP|Spydon: http://www.vanille-media.de/site/index.php/author/ last entry |
| 14:16.02 | ScaredyCat | if he said the earth was flat would you believe it? |
| 14:16.06 | XorA | I can only use whitespace when it is white on black, when it is black on white it doesnt work in my brain :-) |
| 14:16.08 | mickeyl | absolutely |
| 14:16.16 | emdete | re |
| 14:16.18 | cjb_ie | blackspace! |
| 14:16.39 | mickeyl | :D |
| 14:16.48 | XorA | cjb_ie: yeah :-D |
| 14:16.56 | ScaredyCat | emdete: is the stuff in svn up to date? |
| 14:17.30 | ScaredyCat | mickeyl: german only? (the book) |
| 14:17.36 | emdete | sry, had to work... |
| 14:17.57 | emdete | ScaredyCat: you don't like my colors...? so please don't shoot me :/ |
| 14:18.01 | PP|Spydon | mickeyl, thx |
| 14:18.06 | mickeyl | yes, the python book and the middleware book are german only. my publisher promised me to translate the Linux on Smartphones book into english (which i'm currently writing) |
| 14:18.24 | mickeyl | sort of writing, that is |
| 14:18.26 | mickeyl | *cough* |
| 14:18.27 | emdete | ScaredyCat: svn is more or less up to date, it's just to show something. |
| 14:18.29 | mickeyl | t i m e... |
| 14:18.48 | ScaredyCat | emdete: so I can build an image with it on? |
| 14:18.53 | XorA | mickeyl: do what the rest of your countrymates do and forgo sleep for Mate |
| 14:19.09 | mickeyl | hah |
| 14:19.14 | emdete | ScaredyCat: because i am writing on it and i have a shadows-svn it will be old always |
| 14:19.15 | mickeyl | i don't like Mate that much |
| 14:19.19 | emdete | ScaredyCat: shure. |
| 14:19.33 | ScaredyCat | hehhe |
| 14:19.35 | emdete | ScaredyCat: but only if you don't shoot me ;) |
| 14:19.37 | XorA | OEDEM was like a Mate convention |
| 14:19.48 | ScaredyCat | mickeyl: you can write the book later... code man code! |
| 14:19.58 | ScaredyCat | emdete: if I get it working I'll let you off |
| 14:19.58 | mickeyl | i tell you what |
| 14:20.12 | mickeyl | i have literally blackmailed OM Inc. to give me 5 people + a designer for 6 months |
| 14:20.25 | SpeedEvil | Yay! |
| 14:20.26 | ScaredyCat | cool |
| 14:20.26 | emdete | ScaredyCat: i work on switching the colors... and: its not blue/yellow its gray/orange |
| 14:20.28 | mickeyl | to finally get an environment that we can use and is fun to base on top |
| 14:20.34 | mickeyl | unfortunately all i got was silence |
| 14:20.36 | mickeyl | until now |
| 14:20.37 | mickeyl | lets see |
| 14:20.47 | SpeedEvil | mickeyl: did you have to hire the strippers on your own credit card? |
| 14:20.48 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 14:20.49 | ScaredyCat | emdete: I saw the gray directory :) |
| 14:20.52 | SpeedEvil | But great news. |
| 14:20.56 | emdete | mickeyl: have you done tha task-pyneo already? |
| 14:21.09 | ScaredyCat | lol SpeedEvil |
| 14:21.21 | XorA | quit with the whacked out color schemes, everyone knows black on black is the way to go |
| 14:21.46 | cjb_ie | XorA: just think of the backlight power savings that way ;) |
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| 14:22.30 | emdete | mom, will get some food.. |
| 14:23.50 | SpeedEvil | mickeyl: what do you mean by environment? |
| 14:24.01 | SpeedEvil | A dev environment, or a user environment? |
| 14:25.12 | mickeyl | SpeedEvil: both. a developer environment that makes it fun to come up with new applications because the API is straightforward and the framework is solid. a UI environment that embraces new concepts not copying what others have been doing for ages |
| 14:25.38 | ScaredyCat | mmmm.... |
| 14:25.40 | mickeyl | i'm currently fighting w/ OM Inc. to let me get this route |
| 14:25.40 | mickeyl | s/get/walk/ |
| 14:25.54 | ScaredyCat | that install says to remove gtk fastscaling, then installs it again |
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| 14:28.41 | SpeedEvil | mickeyl: interesting in principle - I worry about newness for newnesses sake with small dev teams though. |
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| 14:29.52 | mickeyl | this is not about newness, this is about exploiting the strengths of the device instead of copying stuff people with stronger hardware did |
| 14:30.09 | SpeedEvil | Fair enough, I'm meaning new UI paradigms. |
| 14:30.16 | SpeedEvil | (the invention of) |
| 14:30.34 | ScaredyCat | python setup.py install |
| 14:30.34 | ScaredyCat | Python 2.5.1 (OpenEmbedded build) sitecustomize.py active. |
| 14:30.34 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:30.34 | ScaredyCat | SyntaxError: encoding problem: with BOM |
| 14:30.38 | ScaredyCat | huh> |
| 14:33.10 | emdete | ScaredyCat: there is a package missing because of the coding used in the py file... dont know which right know |
| 14:33.21 | ScaredyCat | !!! |
| 14:33.25 | emdete | have you seen the list of needed py pckages? |
| 14:33.56 | ScaredyCat | in the readme |
| 14:34.44 | emdete | yes, or in my comments for the bb: http://emdete.de/pyneo/task-pyneo.bb |
| 14:36.59 | emdete | mickeyl wanted to do a task-pyneo frm it that works |
| 14:39.28 | ScaredyCat | this isn't going to fit |
| 14:40.03 | emdete | ScaredyCat: ? |
| 14:40.31 | ScaredyCat | there's too much python crap to insall |
| 14:40.34 | ScaredyCat | install |
| 14:41.29 | emdete | crap? |
| 14:43.36 | ScaredyCat | yeah crap |
| 14:43.45 | ScaredyCat | it wont fit on the device |
| 14:43.50 | emdete | ScaredyCat: why do you try pyneo then? |
| 14:44.06 | emdete | just go ahead with gtk-noncrap ;) |
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| 14:49.13 | ScaredyCat | bloody pussy pyhton |
| 14:49.40 | Sup3rkiddo | :( |
| 14:49.46 | ScaredyCat | right I deleted the om icons which seems to give me 54 terabytes of space back |
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| 14:53.39 | emdete | mickeyl: i like what you said above alot about the dev platform... |
| 14:54.05 | mickeyl | emdete: i think it aligns 100% with your ideas |
| 14:54.07 | emdete | mickeyl: and i have an idea which may convince you to use maps in the api... |
| 14:54.12 | mickeyl | heh |
| 14:54.17 | mickeyl | hardly |
| 14:54.20 | mickeyl | but let's hear :D |
| 14:54.44 | emdete | mickeyl: i think of writing a simple-to-use wrapper around this parameter where you can set & retrieve params easy |
| 14:55.09 | emdete | so the c-programmer has it easy also to use that pattern |
| 14:55.49 | ScaredyCat | no no , make us all learn python... |
| 14:55.55 | emdete | and: yes it aligns but i didn't think we could try to reach for it today |
| 14:56.04 | ScaredyCat | then we'll build python robots to take you down |
| 14:56.14 | emdete | ScaredyCat: no, why: openwhatever is a free world :D |
| 14:56.46 | emdete | ScaredyCat: as long as we agree on the same interfaces any crap will do |
| 14:57.01 | ScaredyCat | so it seems |
| 14:57.03 | ScaredyCat | :P |
| 14:57.30 | ScaredyCat | ... right just building the extra txra extra python deps |
| 14:57.47 | emdete | ScaredyCat: isn't there a typo in you name? the 'ed' seems to much from here |
| 14:58.11 | ScaredyCat | Raaarr!! |
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| 14:59.53 | emdete | fight the python not me... ;) |
| 15:00.32 | ScaredyCat | I am |
| 15:00.45 | emdete | ...loosing or winning? |
| 15:00.59 | ScaredyCat | so far my laptop hasn't left the room via the window.. so me |
| 15:02.37 | ScaredyCat | so, once I have all this stuff installled.. |
| 15:02.41 | ScaredyCat | what do I do then ? |
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| 15:04.21 | emdete | depends on what you want to achieve. if you prefere black on black just switch the neo off. ;) |
| 15:04.25 | ScaredyCat | still really short on space again |
| 15:04.41 | emdete | strange. i have about 30-40% free |
| 15:04.54 | ScaredyCat | ! |
| 15:05.09 | ScaredyCat | gta01? |
| 15:05.09 | emdete | anyway: what do you want to achieve? |
| 15:05.12 | emdete | yes |
| 15:05.33 | emdete | /dev/mtdblock4 61.1M 38.3M 22.8M 63% / |
| 15:06.26 | ScaredyCat | i have < 2mb free |
| 15:06.40 | emdete | deinstall everything from the old stuff... ;) |
| 15:06.47 | ScaredyCat | and I still need to install 4 packages |
| 15:07.09 | emdete | hm strange - can you paste `ipkg list_installed`? |
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| 15:10.17 | ScaredyCat | 1 sec |
| 15:11.53 | ScaredyCat | http://pastebin.ca/920636 |
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| 15:20.20 | emdete | avahi-*, e2fsprogs*, eds-dbus, gdk-pixbuf-loader-*, gnome-vfs*, gsmd*, libatk-1.0-0, libavahi-*, libcairo2, libcroco, libcamel-1.2-0, libebook-1.2-5, libecal-1.2-3, libgsmd*, libjana*, libpcap0.9, libsdl-1.2-0, matchbox-applet-startup-monitor, matchbox-keyboard-inputmethod, matchbox-panel-2-applets, matchbox-stroke, minicom, openmoko-*, pango-*, ppp-dialin, psplash, task-*, can go for now. |
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| 15:20.41 | emdete | some of them /must/ be deinstalled before. i.e. libgsmd must be deinstalled! |
| 15:21.31 | ScaredyCat | k |
| 15:25.16 | Sup3rkiddo | deinstalled? as in they are deprecated? |
| 15:25.59 | emdete | Sup3rkiddo: for pyneo these are deprecated. yes. okay some are just currently not used (like avahi) |
| 15:26.13 | Sup3rkiddo | ah ok |
| 15:27.21 | emdete | Sup3rkiddo: pyneo is a completly different aproach. it conflicts with most packages from om |
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| 15:29.15 | Sup3rkiddo | emdete, iirc its part of freesmartphone.org..right? |
| 15:29.27 | ScaredyCat | how are you controlling sound ? |
| 15:29.46 | Sup3rkiddo | ..and i thought otapi is an abstraction over libgsmd replacing libmokogsmd |
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| 15:29.57 | emdete | ScaredyCat: currently not - there is gst suport but currently not submitted |
| 15:30.42 | emdete | Sup3rkiddo: pygsmd (part/plugin of pyneod) does /not/ use libgsmd and will implement that directly |
| 15:31.17 | Sup3rkiddo | emdete, yep, played with it...directly drives the modem..no? |
| 15:31.35 | mickeyl | otapi is a dbus API. there's no particular implementation attached to it. we're exploring all options we have atm., which is gmsd, ixonos-gsmd, qtopia phone server, pygsmd, ... |
| 15:31.36 | emdete | Sup3rkiddo: and yes, its a prototype in freesmartphone.org for the otapi |
| 15:32.01 | Sup3rkiddo | ixonos?...sounds sexy..:D |
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| 15:36.56 | ScaredyCat | well, I have 10mb free now... |
| 15:37.28 | emdete | hm, thats not as much as i have... |
| 15:38.18 | Sup3rkiddo | anyone know if AT+CFUN is supported by the neo? |
| 15:38.45 | xcasex | pygsmd? |
| 15:38.47 | xcasex | ... |
| 15:38.51 | xcasex | ScaredyCat, hold me |
| 15:38.57 | emdete | Sup3rkiddo: shure |
| 15:39.10 | ScaredyCat | lol xcasex |
| 15:39.11 | Sup3rkiddo | cool |
| 15:39.24 | ScaredyCat | eem, yes Sup3rkiddo ... |
| 15:39.30 | ScaredyCat | kinda important thatone |
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| 15:41.16 | emdete | this is my list: http://pastebin.ca/920687 |
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| 15:46.02 | ScaredyCat | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.02 | ScaredyCat | Python 2.5.1 (OpenEmbedded build) sitecustomize.py active. |
| 15:46.02 | ScaredyCat | sh: install: not found |
| 15:46.28 | emdete | whats that |
| 15:46.42 | emdete | (or: please give us context :D ) |
| 15:47.19 | ScaredyCat | pyneod |
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| 15:49.30 | emdete | what exactly did you do? |
| 15:50.12 | ScaredyCat | scp'd the pyneod stuff to the phone... |
| 15:50.17 | ScaredyCat | cd pyneod |
| 15:50.18 | ScaredyCat | python setup.py install |
| 15:50.36 | ScaredyCat | cat INSTALL |
| 15:50.44 | mickeyl | try the recipes that are already in OE |
| 15:50.45 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: ping |
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| 15:50.51 | summatusmentis | oh wait, nvm |
| 15:50.55 | ScaredyCat | This package uses python distutils. Run 'python setup.py install' to install. |
| 15:51.06 | summatusmentis | :-) mickeyl: are you planning on doing GSoC for openmoko? |
| 15:51.14 | ScaredyCat | me mickeyl? |
| 15:51.23 | mickeyl | ScaredyCat: check packages/freesmartphone/* |
| 15:51.28 | mickeyl | there's also a new image task |
| 15:51.31 | mickeyl | untested |
| 15:51.35 | mickeyl | building from scratch atm. |
| 15:51.39 | ScaredyCat | :o |
| 15:51.45 | mickeyl | summatusmentis: hopefully not me, but hopefully it'll happen, yes |
| 15:52.18 | summatusmentis | ok, Crofton in #angstrom is working getting an application pulled together for them, and he wanted me to check w/ you |
| 15:52.31 | summatusmentis | (I'm interested in participating as a student) |
| 15:52.52 | mickeyl | well, OpenMoko will try to apply anyways |
| 15:52.58 | mickeyl | Angstrom should apply seperatly |
| 15:53.04 | mickeyl | or OpenEmbedded, for that matter |
| 15:53.08 | summatusmentis | mickeyl: right, he thought both orgs should, but wanted to check |
| 15:53.25 | summatusmentis | I mailed the OE dev list, and noone really seemed to think OE had a place in doing that |
| 15:53.31 | summatusmentis | or wanted OE to |
| 15:53.33 | mickeyl | well |
| 15:53.36 | mickeyl | i would want OE in |
| 15:53.41 | mickeyl | but i do not have high hopes |
| 15:53.44 | methril | bye |
| 15:53.49 | mickeyl | since OE is very abstract |
| 15:54.07 | mickeyl | and the deliverables would benefit only us |
| 15:54.12 | mickeyl | (us being OE) |
| 15:54.37 | summatusmentis | right... I think the abstraction was mostly the reaction I was getting on the list |
| 15:55.14 | mickeyl | the things where OE is weak can not be done easily as a GSoC project |
| 15:55.17 | mickeyl | i.e. improving the docs |
| 15:55.22 | mickeyl | or the website |
| 15:55.34 | summatusmentis | I guess that makes sense... hmm |
| 15:55.34 | mickeyl | or adding more image formats etc. |
| 15:55.55 | mickeyl | so there's much more chance in software projects for a concrete OE-built distro |
| 15:56.08 | mickeyl | like first-usage-wizard on Angstrom |
| 15:56.13 | mickeyl | or something like this |
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| 15:57.16 | summatusmentis | that makes sense, I'm working on coming up w/ ideas for Angstrom, but I'll probably apply for both, and see what comes of it |
| 15:57.23 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 15:58.24 | summatusmentis | alright, cool, thanks |
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| 16:08.47 | RayDar | re |
| 16:09.53 | RayDar | I was just thinking. My Neo1973 has Bluetooth. My Palm T|X has Bluetooth and WiFi. I should be able to have the Neo1973 use the WiFi on my Palm via Bluetooth. |
| 16:10.18 | RayDar | I wonder if anyone has published instructions on how to do that. |
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| 16:10.46 | emdete | RayDar: i think there is a wiki how to use pan |
| 16:12.49 | mjr | depends on the palm's software capabilities |
| 16:12.50 | RayDar | emdete: Thanks for the info. Trouble is, I don't think the Palm can do PAN. My best bet would be something like PPP over a Bluetooth SPP (serial port protocol) connection. |
| 16:13.14 | mjr | for ppp over bluetooth see dund (or rfcomm, but dund seems cleaner) |
| 16:13.54 | emdete | RayDar: so connect the neo directly with a pan capable device ;) |
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| 16:14.02 | emdete | that works really nice |
| 16:14.35 | RayDar | emdete: I don't have such a device and I am not sure I want to spend the dough to get one. |
| 16:15.03 | emdete | RayDar: no notebook? |
| 16:16.40 | ScaredyCat | well, it all seems to compile mickeyl ;) |
| 16:16.44 | RayDar | emdete: Yeah. I have a notebook but it doesn't have nearly the portability of a cell phone or a Palm TX. |
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| 16:17.30 | emdete | what do you want to achieve? |
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| 16:18.47 | emdete | ...having internet with you neo without cable? then pan with the notebook should be fine... |
| 16:19.17 | mickeyl | ScaredyCat: good. there's probably some stuff to patch though once you try it on the device. please keep me posted |
| 16:19.38 | ScaredyCat | k, no problem |
| 16:19.39 | mjr | emdete, I thought it was clear enough: To get his Palm to work as a wifi-bt-bridge for the GTA01 |
| 16:19.49 | mjr | and the palm doesn't do pan |
| 16:20.09 | emdete | mjr: yes, that's clear, but why use the palm in the row? |
| 16:20.35 | mjr | because the gta01 has no internal wifi? |
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| 16:21.01 | emdete | i cannot follow that. what is the goal? |
| 16:21.17 | RayDar | emdete: Let's say that I am out and about and I find myself at a place with free WiFi, for example a coffee shop (we have a lot of those here in the US's northwest). If I want to do of surfing, the wifi would be much faster and cheaper than the Neo1973's cellular data. |
| 16:21.32 | thomasg_ | gta01 <pan> palm <wlan> <internet> |
| 16:23.06 | emdete | thomasg_: i got that so far.. i didn't realise why use wlan, i have bt always where i use the neo because i don't move too far away frm a usb-plug |
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| 16:23.34 | emdete | RayDar: than a setup with pppd as server on the neo would be fine? can the palm do that? |
| 16:23.54 | ScaredyCat | hrrrm |
| 16:24.10 | RayDar | emdete: The Palm is quite small and I currently use it in this fashion (surfing the Internet via free WiFi when I am out and about). It would be cool if I could do that on my phone, even if the Palm was still doing some backend communication. |
| 16:25.05 | emdete | RayDar: shure, i understand that setup now. didn't thought of going into a cafe with the neo ;) but can the palm do ppp dialin on bt? |
| 16:27.09 | ScaredyCat | mickeyl: it didn;t seem to create the ipks for the mux neog or neod |
| 16:27.59 | mickeyl | ah, they might be missing in the image |
| 16:28.11 | mickeyl | try to add them to IPKG_INSTALL |
| 16:28.13 | RayDar | emdete: Good question. I have connected to a PC over Bluetooth with my Palm and used the PC's Internet connection. But this would be going in the opposite direction, a PC (the Neo1973) connecting to the Palm and using its Internet connection. |
| 16:28.27 | ScaredyCat | I just manually bitbaked them :) |
| 16:29.01 | emdete | RayDar: which bt capability did you use with the pc? the direction doesnt really matter, i think |
| 16:29.34 | RayDar | emdete: Serial Port Profile (rfcomm). |
| 16:30.02 | emdete | okay and ppp as protocol..? |
| 16:30.09 | RayDar | emdete: Yup. |
| 16:30.46 | emdete | that should be easy with the neo. in near future i will try that but right now i haven't the time for that. |
| 16:31.03 | Mononoke | http://www.tectonic.co.za/?p=2175 ... why someone has to talk about something he knows nothing about ? |
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| 16:31.59 | RayDar | emdete: It may be tricky on the Palm side. I don't think it is setup to share an Internet connection. I may have to make some software for it. |
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| 16:34.00 | emdete | RayDar: yes, may be. at least a neo<->palm thing would be fine in the first place |
| 16:34.14 | galilio | hi! |
| 16:34.52 | RayDar | of course, a battery powered USB WiFi Dongle connected to my Neo1973 would also do the job... |
| 16:35.06 | galilio | who can help me? |
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| 16:35.10 | emdete | RayDar: :D |
| 16:35.51 | galilio | when I build openmoko with openmoko makefile ,I got this msg |
| 16:36.07 | galilio | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:36.08 | galilio | ValueError: substring not found |
| 16:36.08 | galilio | make: *** [openmoko-devel-image] 错误 1 |
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| 16:38.24 | galilio | any one knows |
| 16:38.26 | galilio | ? |
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| 16:47.23 | RayDar | heheh. I just got an HTML e-mail sent to the wrong address asking me to confirm my PayPal account. The link in it goes to paypal-user-confirm.com I bet folks will fall for it. |
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| 16:51.42 | I-MOD | RayDar, would you also like to increase your manhood to make the ladies happy? |
| 16:52.01 | I-MOD | sorry, that english wasn't butchered enough |
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| 17:08.17 | RedDog | my syslog is full with "Hey I am still asleep, retry later" |
| 17:08.24 | RedDog | display is flickering ... |
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| 17:16.26 | ScaredyCat | mickey|sports: just 2 more things, I had to manually build task-python-efl and the install for pyneod complains ( update-rc.d: /etc/init.d/init.d.pyneo: file does not exist ) |
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| 17:39.47 | ScaredyCat | erm yeah,m and mickey|sports : /sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-gsm.0/power_on in the mux.... |
| 17:40.08 | ScaredyCat | they're neo1973 now not gta01 |
| 17:40.16 | ScaredyCat | so the mux fails |
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| 17:44.12 | RayDar | mux off |
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| 17:46.31 | _diego_ | killing gllin is enough to power down the gps? |
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| 17:50.11 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 17:50.16 | SpeedEvil | well - kill -9 won't |
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| 17:50.29 | SpeedEvil | I don't know if it'll turn it off if you kill it |
| 17:50.41 | RayDar | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH, the horror of lolcats |
| 17:51.28 | SpeedEvil | there are gps power sysctls |
| 17:53.05 | _diego_ | i look at them, but there are a lot of file ^^ |
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| 18:02.58 | dfurlong | Hey all, is some thing wrong with the openmoko.org website? |
| 18:03.03 | dfurlong | As I seem unable to access it |
| 18:04.05 | SpeedEvil | wiki. seems down |
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| 18:06.13 | RedDog | how can i resume i2c ? |
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| 18:08.21 | dfurlong | SpeedEvil: It all appears down to me |
| 18:08.47 | dfurlong | ahhh, the planet JUST came up after about 8 minutes or so |
| 18:08.52 | dfurlong | seems just terribly terribly slow |
| 18:09.47 | dfurlong | seems kinda back now |
| 18:09.52 | dfurlong | but still a tad slow |
| 18:10.01 | SpeedEvil | www. seems up for me |
| 18:31.55 | riot | does anyone know how i can move xephyr around with the -screen parameter? i just get it to change its size, but something like 320x240+100+0 does not work :( |
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| 19:04.09 | ScaredyCat | emdete: ping |
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| 19:15.22 | emdete | pong |
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| 19:16.11 | wurp2 | emdete: ping |
| 19:16.19 | emdete | ScaredyCat: ? |
| 19:16.22 | emdete | wurp2: ?? |
| 19:16.34 | ScaredyCat | emdete: ok, so it's running... |
| 19:16.50 | ScaredyCat | found a few issues.. but it works.. |
| 19:17.01 | emdete | ScaredyCat: can you tell me? |
| 19:17.08 | ScaredyCat | sure... |
| 19:17.57 | ScaredyCat | first... I don;t speak German... and I guess lots of people don't - maybe it's a good idea to use locales |
| 19:18.44 | emdete | ScaredyCat: yes, but remember this is a prototype for a german audience |
| 19:18.46 | emdete | ScaredyCat: localisation will come - shure |
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| 19:19.22 | ScaredyCat | second, although the individual parts seem to have their own .py the pynog incorporates stuff that's used... ie it's not truely modular... |
| 19:19.29 | CM | Localisation is too hard, many words sound too contrieved when translated |
| 19:19.48 | ScaredyCat | emdete: it's not negative, I'm trying to be constructive |
| 19:19.49 | ScaredyCat | :) |
| 19:20.10 | emdete | ScaredyCat: yes, i know that and its already on the todo list. it's fosdems fault ;) |
| 19:20.13 | ScaredyCat | CM: only for foreign types ;) |
| 19:20.19 | CM | ScaredyCat: :P |
| 19:20.47 | ScaredyCat | emdete: ok, well I just thought I'd point it out... it does work (ish) though which is good.. |
| 19:20.51 | emdete | i pimped the gui that far in about one week, adding dialer, char entry, and the like |
| 19:21.00 | ScaredyCat | hhhe |
| 19:21.12 | ScaredyCat | yeah, the diailer... that's the other thing... |
| 19:21.20 | mklebel | can the OpenMoko support sim cards? |
| 19:21.23 | ScaredyCat | I dialed a number, there's no way to hang up! |
| 19:21.38 | emdete | you will run into prblems when dialing. the pygsmd is in flight... it has taken the first step towards otapi which does not fully fit with the gui right know |
| 19:21.45 | ScaredyCat | mklebel: it *requires*a SIM |
| 19:21.52 | emdete | ScaredyCat: shure, use the X on the left |
| 19:22.19 | emdete | oups, sorry, the right ;) |
| 19:22.19 | ScaredyCat | m... well we only got a second or 2 of audio anyway... |
| 19:22.24 | mklebel | ScaredyCat, I don't see a slot in the hardware pics.... |
| 19:22.28 | xcasex | man we should just write a phpgsmd |
| 19:22.37 | ScaredyCat | and wtf is "dinge"? |
| 19:22.47 | emdete | xcasex: go ahead its /open/ moko |
| 19:22.53 | emdete | ScaredyCat: things |
| 19:22.59 | ScaredyCat | oh |
| 19:23.00 | CM | xcasex: Hey there :) |
| 19:23.05 | ScaredyCat | things |
| 19:23.05 | xcasex | emdete, hey i'm hard at work on tomcatgsmd |
| 19:23.07 | ScaredyCat | dings |
| 19:23.10 | xcasex | CM, hey man :) |
| 19:23.52 | ScaredyCat | oh, and emdete ... if you 'click' one of the bars and it goes to the right, how do you get it back ? |
| 19:23.53 | emdete | ScaredyCat: search for "get things done". a friend of mine told me that my concept fits with those ideas.. |
| 19:24.09 | emdete | ScaredyCat: it comes back if it wants to.... |
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| 19:24.29 | ScaredyCat | lol |
| 19:24.33 | emdete | ScaredyCat: problem is that this is a mockup. normaly the gui would be split in more views |
| 19:24.36 | ScaredyCat | what if *I* want it back |
| 19:24.48 | ScaredyCat | fairy nuff |
| 19:24.50 | emdete | the main view shwos dinge (things) you should answer on |
| 19:25.05 | mklebel | when will the next batch of phones be out, so I can buy one? |
| 19:25.09 | emdete | ScaredyCat: like phone calls, sms, bank transfers |
| 19:25.55 | ScaredyCat | i had to fix a couple of things.. you use gta01 in some of your calls, but for the vibrator it;s neo1973 now |
| 19:25.57 | emdete | if you answer one it disapears, being done when you answer yes or no or coming back later if you said "maybe" (button to the left) |
| 19:26.00 | xcasex | getting things done is a method for organising your life. how does that fit in a gsmd? |
| 19:26.05 | ScaredyCat | although not for the backlight - which is od |
| 19:26.15 | emdete | ScaredyCat: yes, i also know that - i use the old kernel |
| 19:26.21 | ScaredyCat | k |
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| 19:27.13 | emdete | xcasex: no comment |
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| 19:28.32 | ScaredyCat | and your logo is a little too post office ;) |
| 19:28.50 | emdete | ScaredyCat: the logo or the color? :D |
| 19:29.20 | ScaredyCat | well, both :P |
| 19:29.58 | emdete | as i said - everything is open, change it as you like it. |
| 19:30.28 | ScaredyCat | is there an enlightenment editor available? |
| 19:30.34 | ScaredyCat | for the .edj ? |
| 19:30.45 | emdete | yes, but i prefere a vim. |
| 19:31.03 | ScaredyCat | I know nothing about .edj's, looks like a binary to me |
| 19:32.08 | emdete | ah, sry, no, its a kind of zip archive. you can put it apart with a e-tool |
| 19:32.21 | ScaredyCat | ahh k ... |
| 19:32.37 | emdete | i havent fixed the build process yet so i just committed that because you can easily unpack that |
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| 19:33.47 | wurp2 | So is the pic on the front page of the wiki now of a real '02? |
| 19:34.39 | ScaredyCat | looks short and fat |
| 19:35.47 | xcasex | .edj are compiled themes, you need the original sources. that's .edc files and the graphics resources |
| 19:36.31 | emdete | xcasex: no, you don't need the org. source. there is a tool to unpack a edj. think of a edj like a zip file. |
| 19:37.32 | xcasex | emdete, think of me as a dr17 themer. |
| 19:39.55 | emdete | xcasex: i think you are a provocative, non-constructive person ;) |
| 19:40.21 | xcasex | emdete, i think i'm an agent provocateur because an arm omap cpu has a tiny cache. |
| 19:41.26 | emdete | xcasex: i am happy to hear that you already have a wonderful stack running on a open mobile phone doing the stuff you want it to do :D |
| 19:41.39 | xcasex | thanks :) |
| 19:41.47 | emdete | what for |
| 19:41.55 | xcasex | but it doesnt do what i want yet hence i try to improve it :) |
| 19:42.23 | emdete | did you release it already? |
| 19:42.50 | xcasex | i think improve implies i'm poking at something that's already there. |
| 19:43.08 | xcasex | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.20 | ScaredyCat | hey CM |
| 19:45.29 | ScaredyCat | no time for us now that you have a life? |
| 19:47.20 | ScaredyCat | edje_decc ebrowser.edj |
| 19:47.20 | ScaredyCat | ERROR: ebrowser.edj has no decompile information |
| 19:47.26 | xcasex | ScaredyCat, told ya. |
| 19:47.37 | ScaredyCat | :( |
| 19:48.17 | xcasex | ScaredyCat, but since i'm just provocative nm me. |
| 19:48.30 | emdete | xcasex: so be constructive an tell me what i have to do. any edj i had where able to decompile. ah, btw: the comparison with zip comes from e's web site. |
| 19:49.10 | xcasex | raster, ;_; |
| 19:49.36 | emdete | hm, here it decompiles fine |
| 19:49.42 | xcasex | emdete, we never were able to decompile our theme, detour aka detroit, so i couldnt, we always went with fresh checkouts. |
| 19:51.09 | emdete | so why does it decompile here? |
| 19:53.05 | xcasex | endian issue? dunno. ask raster :) |
| 19:54.10 | emdete | see: http://rafb.net/p/UkMOTm11.html |
| 19:55.08 | emdete | ScaredyCat: which version of edje_decc do u use? |
| 19:55.14 | ScaredyCat | errm |
| 19:55.43 | ScaredyCat | dunno |
| 19:55.48 | ScaredyCat | it's a retarded app |
| 19:55.52 | ScaredyCat | with no -v switch |
| 19:56.25 | emdete | yes, just saw it. i have a svn-head version from about some weeks ago... |
| 19:57.26 | ScaredyCat | mine is fro the suse packman repo |
| 19:57.45 | ScaredyCat | what sort of app have no frigin version info... |
| 19:58.06 | emdete | ScaredyCat: yes, there are some points where e sux... :( |
| 19:58.15 | emdete | place for improvement |
| 19:58.21 | emdete | s/place/space/ |
| 19:58.28 | ScaredyCat | man edje_decc |
| 19:58.28 | ScaredyCat | No manual entry for edje_decc |
| 19:59.08 | ScaredyCat | so is there no way to get this decompiled then... |
| 19:59.16 | ScaredyCat | have you got an svn server emdete? |
| 19:59.16 | xcasex | i think the answer is, that its all pretty much in flux |
| 19:59.31 | emdete | ScaredyCat: shure, with a current version there should be no problem |
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| 19:59.51 | ScaredyCat | emdete: no, I mean for the source files to make the edj |
| 19:59.57 | emdete | ScaredyCat: i will release all the files soon |
| 20:00.43 | ScaredyCat | ... k |
| 20:00.49 | ScaredyCat | right... fewd time! |
| 20:00.54 | emdete | ScaredyCat: yes, a current version of edje_decc will do |
| 20:01.59 | ScaredyCat | mmm.... I don;t want to have to compile 6 ton of source for 2 little apps.... :9 |
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| 20:02.42 | emdete | ScaredyCat: wait, i put it somewhere for download |
| 20:08.26 | emdete | ScaredyCat: query |
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| 21:30.16 | RayDar | Are their any nice phone holsters for the Neo1973? |
| 21:31.14 | SpeedEvil | I tend to keep it in my pocket when I go out. |
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| 21:31.27 | SpeedEvil | Being very careful not to put anything else in that pocket |
| 21:31.49 | RayDar | Yeah, my keys in the same pocket could be bad. |
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| 21:35.02 | emdete | RayDar: use the hole to bend it around your neck ;) |
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| 21:37.34 | emdete | s/bend/bind/ |
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| 21:49.37 | wurp2 | RayDar: I second the call for a clip-on holster for the neo |
| 21:49.45 | wurp2 | I have finally given in to keeping it in my pocket |
| 21:50.04 | wurp2 | But it is irritating, and makes me a little nervous that I'm gonna put something else in there |
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| 21:59.17 | goodhabit | Hello. I'm sorry for stupid question, but my english is not very good, so I cannot understand some issues with neo fic. The variant for end-user of neo fic is freerunner? Am I understood right? |
| 21:59.36 | SpeedEvil | Eventually. |
| 21:59.40 | SpeedEvil | Not right now. |
| 21:59.46 | SpeedEvil | The hardware is not ready. |
| 21:59.59 | SpeedEvil | And the software is not likely to be ready when the hardware is. |
| 22:00.23 | SpeedEvil | When the hardware and software is ready, yes. But that will be at least several months. |
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| 22:08.58 | goodhabit | SpeedEvil, thanks for info, bless you. |
| 22:12.22 | dvarnes | emdete: just watched mickeyl's video .. kudos to you :-) |
| 22:12.47 | emdete | dvarnes: :D thnks. its just a work in progress... |
| 22:13.05 | wurp2 | Anyone have a link to this mysterious video? :-) |
| 22:13.19 | dvarnes | see planet.openmoko.org |
| 22:13.38 | dvarnes | emdete: and I know people that would love those colours ! :-) |
| 22:13.40 | wurp2 | kthx |
| 22:15.02 | emdete | dvarnes: hey! the colors are just a theme... there are other. and i love the yellow. |
| 22:15.17 | wurp2 | emdete: So are you the pyneo guy? |
| 22:15.27 | emdete | wurp2: yes |
| 22:15.40 | wurp2 | cool |
| 22:15.52 | wurp2 | Is there somewhere I can read about the state of the sw, and where to dl? |
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| 22:16.23 | emdete | its on linuxtogo project open smartphone. |
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| 22:17.02 | emdete | it's still less than alpha and in peaces. mickeyl works on a task and bbs to build ipks for it... |
| 22:17.40 | emdete | for now you have to remove/install lots of ipks and copy the last files manually |
| 22:19.16 | wurp2 | I may not jump on it right away, but I'm glad to know where to follow along and see when to jump in |
| 22:20.27 | wurp2 | I don't see a smartphone project on linuxtogo.org... |
| 22:22.17 | emdete | svn://projects.linuxtogo.org/svn/smartphones |
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| 22:23.49 | emdete | maybe its better to wait several days. i am in the middle of reaching otapi and some state-change things in pygsmd are probably broken. also with packages everything will get much easier |
| 22:24.50 | emdete | wurp2: in trunk/software you need pyneod & pyneog and eventually the muxer (there is a ipkg for it) |
| 22:24.51 | wurp2 | OK, sounds good... I was just looking for a web page I could use to follow the project somewhat |
| 22:25.05 | jensse | Have anyone successfully installed openmocko on any symbian phone eg: SE P1i |
| 22:25.08 | emdete | okay. i leave for bed now ;) |
| 22:25.26 | dvarnes | emdete: ciao |
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| 23:23.19 | psymin | Anyone know of any phones that *might* be able to run openmoko .. and can have two sims? |
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