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| 00:14.53 | Psi_ | grr, this is getting annoying, whenever i change the date the phone goes to sleep |
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| 01:25.09 | wurp2 | Psi_: That is highly weird |
| 01:25.36 | wurp2 | you just date -s whatever, hwsync --systohc and it goes to sleep? |
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| 01:31.08 | Psi_ | na, i got "date 02251301" and 3 times exactly when ive hit enter the screen has gone black |
| 01:31.47 | Psi_ | maybe the neo goes into powersaveing at exactly second = 00 |
| 01:31.55 | Psi_ | cos that was when i pressed enter |
| 01:33.42 | mwester | Is that setting the date backwards or forwards? |
| 01:34.18 | Psi_ | its the correct format |
| 01:34.44 | mwester | Yes, but is the date change correcting the date forwards or backwards? |
| 01:35.52 | Psi_ | hehe yeah, your probably right, it goes into powersaving because the time has jumped ahead |
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| 01:44.42 | balrog-kun | gee it's later than i though, i better go to sleep |
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| 02:58.59 | rtm_ | DOes anyone happen to know a call which will return the height and width of a GdkPixmap passed as an argument? |
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| 04:24.51 | alam | hi all |
| 04:26.40 | alam | I have got stuck at the following task while compiling openmoko |
| 04:26.40 | alam | NOTE: 1: /root/openmoko/openembedded/packages/webkit/webkit-gtk_svn.bb, do_fetch (31078) |
| 04:26.40 | alam | NOTE: 2: /root/openmoko/openembedded/packages/u-boot/u-boot-openmoko_1.3.1+git+svn.bb, do_fetch (31079) |
| 04:26.40 | alam | any help? |
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| 05:26.49 | niklauz | n00b question: is elisa a possibility for an OM phone |
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| 06:20.59 | mbuf | anybody been able to do successful builds, off-late? |
| 06:23.42 | fobos | I have several hours ago, I had to do 'unset P4CONFIG' because it was messing with something in the build scripts! |
| 06:25.28 | fobos | For some reason perforce is used to pull some of the components during the build, so having P4CONFIG was upsetting the dame thing |
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| 07:25.56 | flexd | Morning \o |
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| 08:16.06 | adjaxio | Bonjour |
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| 09:06.26 | blindcoder | moin |
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| 09:47.21 | hrw | morning |
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| 10:16.18 | haakeyar | In the community list, it is mentioned that iPhone has a capacitive touchscreen while the neo has a pressure-based one, and that this affects the usability of a qwerty keyboard. |
| 10:16.19 | haakeyar | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-February/013535.html |
| 10:16.36 | haakeyar | How easy is it to use the neo with fingers? Is it harder because of this? |
| 10:17.23 | haakeyar | (not talking about input-method, but how easy it is to use with fingers in general) |
| 10:22.50 | josch | I dont have a real comparison but with the stylus I played wesnoth on my neo :-) |
| 10:22.52 | Hopscotch | good morning |
| 10:23.00 | josch | morning Hopscotch :-) |
| 10:26.03 | Psi_ | are they any other text editors included in the buildhost images other than vi? |
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| 10:29.18 | josch | Psi_, why not doing ikpg install nano? |
| 10:30.01 | Psi_ | i wanted the editor to setup ipkg :P |
| 10:30.14 | Psi_ | but i manged to do it with vi :) |
| 10:30.21 | josch | why not use cat ^^ |
| 10:33.09 | Psi_ | mc |
| 10:33.14 | Psi_ | heh, wrong window |
| 10:33.28 | Psi_ | worked :) |
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| 10:58.53 | mbuf | if my build is more than one month old, do you recommend, i do a fresh build? update is failing http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-devel/2008-February/001972.html |
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| 11:18.55 | Psi_ | yay, finally got a gps lock |
| 11:19.10 | Psi_ | inside too :) |
| 11:19.49 | amarsh04_ | Psi_ was it you posting to the list that you couldn't get a lock? |
| 11:19.59 | Psi_ | yep |
| 11:20.52 | Psi_ | i was playing with gllin options and i tried -sim (not using simulator) and its working |
| 11:21.19 | Psi_ | no idea why the simulator was on in the first place tho, assuming -sim has anything to do with why its working now |
| 11:21.31 | amarsh04_ | ok... I'm always keen to hear the explanation about the problem |
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| 12:14.24 | dbmoodb | hi would it be possible to use a usb hub with the freerunner when it is released ? |
| 12:20.16 | dbmoodb | -to use a usb keyboard and a wifi card |
| 12:20.46 | cjb_ie | will need external power if it's like gta01/02 |
| 12:20.55 | dbmoodb | oh really ... |
| 12:21.41 | dbmoodb | tis just the monitor mode is not there and injection likewise atm -firmware constraints on the ak600 still no ? |
| 12:21.48 | dbmoodb | -wants kismet |
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| 13:31.13 | alam | hi |
| 13:31.32 | alam | NOTE: Waiting for 1 active tasks to finish |
| 13:31.33 | alam | NOTE: 1: /root/openmoko/openembedded/packages/u-boot/u-boot-openmoko_1.3.1+git+svn.bb, do_fetch (8632) |
| 13:31.43 | alam | my openmoko build is stuck at this point |
| 13:31.49 | alam | from the last 10 hours |
| 13:31.55 | alam | can any body tell me what to do ? |
| 13:32.57 | wurp2 | alam: I think you can go download that file yourself & put it in your cache, then restart the build |
| 13:33.24 | alam | let me try this. |
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| 13:36.57 | alam | please tell me where to download this package. |
| 13:37.05 | alam | as google is giving no hints |
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| 13:38.04 | alam | where i can download the file: u-boot-openmoko_1.3.1+git+svn.bb |
| 13:38.12 | alam | as my build is stuck at this point from the morning. |
| 13:39.42 | ynezz | look at that .bb file for SRC_URI |
| 13:42.31 | alam | ynezz: did not get your point |
| 13:42.36 | alam | kindly tell me a bit. |
| 13:42.48 | alam | i am here |
| 13:42.50 | alam | http://www.openembedded.org/filebrowser/org.openembedded.dev/packages/u-boot |
| 13:44.10 | ynezz | no, in your local OE dir |
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| 13:44.37 | ynezz | man read something about OE first, it'll save you a lot of time |
| 13:44.40 | ynezz | belive me |
| 13:44.53 | ynezz | s/belive/believe/ |
| 13:49.44 | zefanja | hi...is it possible to build only the kernel with the mokomakefile? |
| 13:50.10 | alam | i have copied the file: http://www.openembedded.org/repo/org.openembedded.dev/packages/u-boot/u-boot-openmoko_1.3.1+git+svn.bb |
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| 13:50.14 | alam | to the specified directory |
| 13:50.20 | alam | and restarted the proecess |
| 13:50.53 | alam | now again stuck |
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| 13:59.46 | ynezz | zefanja: bitbake virtual/kernel |
| 14:00.15 | ynezz | zefanja: dunno if mokomakefile's build-package-virtual/kernel would work |
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| 14:07.28 | Sup3rkiddo | yay, my toolchain just built successfully |
| 14:11.46 | alam | hi every body, can body please please please help me |
| 14:11.48 | alam | NOTE: Waiting for 1 active tasks to finish |
| 14:11.48 | alam | NOTE: 1: /root/openmoko/openembedded/packages/u-boot/u-boot-openmoko_1.3.1+git+svn.bb, do_fetch (9208) |
| 14:11.57 | alam | this task is waiting since morning. |
| 14:11.59 | alam | any clue? |
| 14:12.27 | alam | i have copied the required file |
| 14:12.31 | alam | but still stuck there |
| 14:12.36 | ynezz | no, you didn't |
| 14:13.42 | alam | i had |
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| 14:13.47 | alam | from the site of openmoko |
| 14:14.43 | alam | THis is the ine in the source |
| 14:14.44 | alam | SRC_URI = "\ |
| 14:14.45 | alam | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:14.45 | alam | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:14.46 | alam | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:14.46 | alam | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:14.46 | alam | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:14.48 | alam | " |
| 14:14.49 | alam | what shall i remove from this |
| 14:14.53 | alam | in order to make it function |
| 14:15.19 | ynezz | nothing to remove |
| 14:15.34 | ynezz | that git:// or svn:// url isn't working |
| 14:15.44 | ynezz | do you need u-boot? |
| 14:15.55 | alam | yes, for emulator |
| 14:16.16 | alam | so shall remove git:// |
| 14:16.24 | alam | so that i can function from the emulator |
| 14:18.02 | ynezz | i think so |
| 14:18.29 | ynezz | If I were you I would use precompiled images |
| 14:19.34 | alam | you are right, but i want to do some chang ein the openmoko kernel |
| 14:19.43 | alam | thats why precompiled images will not be sufficient. |
| 14:20.02 | alam | I will have to build by my self. |
| 14:20.04 | alam | i think so |
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| 14:56.15 | CIA-16 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r79 10/trunk/software/pyneod/ (15 files): |
| 14:56.15 | CIA-16 | freesmartphone.org: new "method-response-signature equals signal-signature"-pattern implemented |
| 14:56.15 | CIA-16 | freesmartphone.org: steps taken towards open-smartphone-gsm api |
| 14:56.15 | CIA-16 | freesmartphone.org: fixed problems with ggl location by cell-id lookup |
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| 16:54.08 | jmichel | I'd like to take a look at the openembedded/packages/openmoko-examples code but the build environment only contains the bb files. So I tried to build them with, for example, "make build-package-openmoko-finger-demo" but the fetch task fails |
| 16:54.34 | jmichel | So where can I take a look at the openmoko-examples files |
| 16:54.37 | jmichel | ? |
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| 18:29.37 | ScaredyCat | jmichel: look in your openmoko directory |
| 18:31.16 | ScaredyCat | ${OMDIR}/openmoko/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/examples |
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| 18:37.08 | jmichel | ScaredyCat: Thanks I found the example code you are talking about |
| 18:37.49 | jmichel | I'll try to start from there to build by OM application |
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| 18:41.51 | CM | Heh, failed on the kernel again now |
| 18:42.07 | CM | The bleeding edge build that is. At least something is happening.. |
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| 19:04.13 | ScaredyCat | jmichel: take a look at the wiki page for the toolchain... |
| 19:04.36 | ScaredyCat | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain |
| 19:04.41 | ScaredyCat | bbl |
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| 20:21.35 | afents | whenever I connect with cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 , the terminal keeps giving me pages of garbages |
| 20:21.40 | afents | neverending |
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| 20:21.55 | ahven | is it a known thing? |
| 20:24.14 | ahven | I was able to connect and do thing normally before |
| 20:25.18 | wurp2 | ahven: I never use cu |
| 20:25.29 | wurp2 | Is your neo in the boot menu, set in USB console mode? |
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| 20:25.48 | wurp2 | (I use 'screen /dev/ttyACM0' instead) |
| 20:29.38 | ahven | usb console and screen does the same |
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| 20:35.58 | wurp2 | So, your neo is plugged into usb, you shut down & restart to the boot menu (aux + power) |
| 20:36.11 | wurp2 | then you aux down to usb console, hold power until it refreshes the menu |
| 20:36.28 | wurp2 | then 'screen /dev/ttyACM0', and you get a bunch of garbage on the screen? |
| 20:36.44 | wurp2 | If that were the case for me, I would try unplugging & replugging the usb cable |
| 20:36.52 | wurp2 | preferably to a different port on the desktop |
| 20:36.56 | wurp2 | and avoiding a usb hub |
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| 20:40.28 | ahven | aah, forgot the scanner :P |
| 20:40.49 | ahven | hmm.. |
| 20:41.21 | wurp2 | forgot the scanner? |
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| 20:45.15 | wurp2 | Does your scanner try to talk on ttyACM0? |
| 20:45.47 | ahven | it and the usb webcam interfered, forgot |
| 20:45.54 | ahven | about the other devices* |
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| 20:52.36 | wurp2 | cool |
| 20:52.49 | wurp2 | I will have to remember that; I don't have any such devices connected to my computer right now |
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| 20:57.26 | ScaredyCat | you can get minicom from my repo too ahven |
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| 21:31.52 | orospakr | So, do the current snapshots actually suspend the phone? |
| 21:34.29 | SpeedEvil | It's been able to suspend and resume from RAM for some time. |
| 21:34.51 | SpeedEvil | Even taking calls in suspend. The qeustion of if current images do it ... |
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| 21:35.41 | orospakr | SpeedEvil, it seems as though they've disabled it. |
| 21:36.29 | orospakr | the only options in the power menu are "dim first, then lock" and "dim only, don't lock". |
| 21:36.45 | orospakr | either that or it's so stable that they don't bother exposing the setting for it anymore. :) |
| 21:36.45 | wurp2 | orospakr: Which build are you using? |
| 21:36.56 | orospakr | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Snapshot_review/2008-02-20 |
| 21:37.07 | wurp2 | Dim first, then lock I think is the option to suspend... |
| 21:37.35 | wurp2 | 'lock' doesn't mean screen lock, because "Dim only, don't lock" *does* screen lock |
| 21:37.45 | orospakr | wurp2, I was noticing that with my build from a month ago, the phone would suspend, and my ssh sessions to it would die. |
| 21:38.08 | wurp2 | I never use the lock option |
| 21:38.25 | orospakr | what's your battery life? :) |
| 21:38.31 | wurp2 | Because the talk was all saying it didn't work, until recently |
| 21:38.37 | wurp2 | I dunno, it never goes dead |
| 21:38.47 | orospakr | how often do you charge? |
| 21:38.54 | wurp2 | because I never let it sit more than 2-3 hours w/o being plugged in :-) |
| 21:39.03 | orospakr | ah. |
| 21:39.13 | wurp2 | In honor of kdean06, I shouldn't say never |
| 21:39.45 | wurp2 | I have let it go dead two or three times in the 2-3 months that I've had it |
| 21:40.07 | wurp2 | I dunno how long it took to go dead then, but I'd guess I don't have more than 5 hours of battery life |
| 21:40.21 | kdean06 | Mines been dead more the past few days than alive. :S |
| 21:40.31 | wurp2 | ack |
| 21:40.54 | kdean06 | I swear, either I have a defective battery or the management on this thing is controlled by a pRNG or something... |
| 21:40.59 | orospakr | SpeedEvil, have you been using yours with the suspend mode enabled? Is the battery life reasonable? |
| 21:41.01 | orospakr | kdean06, heh |
| 21:41.25 | kdean06 | I took it off a 24 hour charge and had it die on a 1 hour car trip in "Dim but don't lock" mode. |
| 21:41.45 | kdean06 | I've also had it go about 5 hours with light (my daily review) use. |
| 21:41.46 | wurp2 | Wow, something is definitely wrong there |
| 21:41.55 | wurp2 | Is it possible that it was illuminated the whole time? |
| 21:41.57 | SpeedEvil | orospakr: no |
| 21:42.08 | SpeedEvil | orospakr: heard reports of |
| 21:42.12 | wurp2 | by bumping against the inside of your pocket or something? |
| 21:42.28 | kdean06 | wurp2, It was in my car's cupholder, so no. :) |
| 21:42.40 | wurp2 | Even at full 750 mA usage, it should go over an hour, though... |
| 21:42.44 | kdean06 | I know! |
| 21:43.10 | kdean06 | I'm writing that one off as a "maybe something happened and it didn't charge"... |
| 21:43.27 | wurp2 | It does sometimes get confused and go into low power mode |
| 21:43.33 | wurp2 | install my daemon :-) |
| 21:43.51 | wurp2 | s/low power mode/slow charge mode/ |
| 21:43.58 | kdean06 | wurp2, I'm waiting for the next snapshot (need to E-mail Wolfgang, BTW...) but I wanna try your daemon. The lack of mobile charging is a bigger deal-breaker than the poor life, IMO. |
| 21:45.29 | wurp2 | wow, I just thought you had been too busy to test new releases |
| 21:45.35 | wurp2 | I didn't realize 2/20 was the latest |
| 21:45.40 | kdean06 | No, it hasn't generated any. |
| 21:45.53 | wurp2 | I see that |
| 21:47.18 | kdean06 | It generated a kernel though... |
| 21:47.25 | kdean06 | 22 Feb 2008. :P |
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| 21:52.42 | orospakr | ah, it's suspended. |
| 21:52.48 | orospakr | I just wasn't being patient enough. |
| 21:52.53 | orospakr | Now to try calling it... |
| 21:53.26 | orospakr | hm. |
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| 21:54.44 | orospakr | bah. ringing did not wake the phone up. If I manually woke it with the power button, it saw the incoming call. |
| 21:56.23 | wurp2 | Are there any 'real' gtk programmers in here? |
| 21:56.41 | wurp2 | I want my gtk app's buttons to ignore the theme and use a background color |
| 21:56.56 | wurp2 | heck, even if they use the theme, but let me set the background color, that would be fine |
| 21:57.15 | wurp2 | I do not want to just set my OM to ignore the theme altogether |
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| 22:13.15 | wurp2 | I believe I found the answer to my question at http://ometer.com/gtk-colors.html |
| 22:13.24 | wurp2 | I'll have to wait until I get home to try it out |
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| 22:24.30 | johnycsh | this is probably a stupid question, but is the debugboard connection between the cable usually the reason openocd says there's a JTAG communication error? |
| 22:25.07 | johnycsh | im pretty sure its talking to the ft2232 chip okay. I've never actually successfully run openocd before so i dont really know how differentiate its debugging messages |
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| 22:31.59 | mmontour | johnycsh: try the connection sequence at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_Debug_Board_v2#Hardware_connection before running openocd. |
| 22:33.36 | johnycsh | I'll give it another go. Do i need the phone to be paused at the U-boot screen, or can the kernel already be loaded? |
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| 22:35.31 | mmontour | openocd should be able to connect even if the phone has already booted. |
| 22:35.56 | johnycsh | thanks, thats what i thought. |
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| 22:44.23 | johnycsh | mmontour: seems like I always get this same thing. |
| 22:44.27 | johnycsh | nfo: openocd.c:86 main(): Open On-Chip Debugger (2007-03-30 12:00 CEST) |
| 22:44.27 | johnycsh | Debug: arm920t.c:726 arm920t_target_command(): chain_pos: 0, variant: arm920t |
| 22:44.27 | johnycsh | Debug: jtag.c:1335 jtag_init(): - |
| 22:44.27 | johnycsh | Debug: ft2232.c:1270 ft2232_init(): 'ft2232' interface using libftdi with 'jtagkey' layout |
| 22:44.27 | johnycsh | ..<TRST asserted>, etc |
| 22:44.27 | johnycsh | Debug: jtag.c:1027 jtag_read_buffer(): fields[0].in_value: 0x0000000000000000 |
| 22:44.30 | johnycsh | Error: jtag.c:1182 jtag_examine_chain(): JTAG communication failure, check connection, JTAG interface, target power etc. |
| 22:44.57 | johnycsh | and then TTYUSB0 is gone, have to reload ftdi_sio to get it back. |
| 22:47.47 | mmontour | You shouldn't need to reload the module. Try exiting openocd, unplugging and then re-plugging the debug board's USB cable, then re-running openocd. Also don't plug the phone into the USB hub on the debug board. |
| 22:48.42 | mmontour | Also make sure that when you load the ftdi_sio module that you give it the correct vendor/product ID as module parameters. |
| 22:51.43 | mwester-road | johnycsh: Use pastebin next time |
| 22:51.48 | mwester-road | ~pastebin |
| 22:51.49 | apt | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 22:52.23 | johnycsh | mwester-road: okay, thanks. |
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| 23:26.43 | johnycsh | mmontour: seems like no matter what i do, i get the same thing from openocd. http://pastebin.com/d612e58f5 |
| 23:27.00 | johnycsh | same set of messages even if the FPC cable is unplugged.. |
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| 23:39.45 | mmontour | johnycsh: The only other suggestions I have are: make sure the Neo is powered on, and try a newer version of openocd (such as one built by MokoMakefile with "make openmoko-devel-tools" or "bitbake openocd-native"). |
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