| 00:01.07 | balrog-kun | SpeedEvil: perfect, thanks! |
| 00:01.37 | balrog-kun | SpeedEvil: I was just looking for such thing at http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_GPS just in case, may be a good place to mention the script |
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| 00:02.25 | SpeedEvil | balrog-kun: it will break if your trackpoints cross -180w, or if they are more than a fraction of a degree spaced between them. |
| 00:03.48 | balrog-kun | i probably haven't crossed -180w today |
| 00:04.07 | balrog-kun | let's see the latter constraint.. |
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| 00:05.40 | balrog-kun | SpeedEvil: excelent, it worked |
| 00:08.39 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 00:09.28 | anrp | i've only ever gone across 180w/e twice ... |
| 00:09.40 | anrp | it was a long trip D: |
| 00:10.43 | SpeedEvil | There's very little land then. |
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| 00:48.20 | Alconaut | hi |
| 00:48.57 | Alconaut | did openmoko works with my MPx220? |
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| 00:56.49 | Alconaut | where can i find a compatibility list? |
| 00:57.07 | SpeedEvil | you can't |
| 00:57.08 | SpeedEvil | basically. |
| 00:57.25 | SpeedEvil | All the effort at the moment is going into getting it sort-of-running on the primary hardware. |
| 00:57.51 | SpeedEvil | Almost no effort, and no official core team effort is going into getting it running on other hardware. |
| 00:58.02 | Alconaut | oh |
| 00:58.05 | Alconaut | ok |
| 00:58.09 | SpeedEvil | I'd suggest googling mpx220 openmoko |
| 00:58.13 | SpeedEvil | and see if anything turns up. |
| 00:58.25 | Alconaut | i do |
| 00:58.41 | jamewill_ | Alconaut, there is this ...... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko-supported_hardware |
| 00:58.48 | Alconaut | but no result that helps :( |
| 00:58.49 | SpeedEvil | Oh yeah - that. |
| 00:59.10 | SpeedEvil | Basically - it barely works as a basic phone at the moment on the released hardware. |
| 00:59.26 | SpeedEvil | It'll be some time before effort is put into porting. |
| 01:00.03 | Alconaut | ok |
| 01:00.13 | SpeedEvil | That said - I have actually used it with the assumption that it will be able to recieve calls from an engineer turning up at my house, so it's getting better :) |
| 01:05.04 | Alconaut | gn8@all |
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| 01:26.49 | holycow | hello my moko monkeys |
| 01:30.27 | holycow | so, are there any production plans for the neo free runner in terms of the type of case design it will use initially? |
| 01:30.42 | SpeedEvil | same case |
| 01:30.55 | holycow | aha cool |
| 01:31.00 | SpeedEvil | It's something like that anwya |
| 01:31.28 | holycow | any consideration of having something modular that could snap on accessories? |
| 01:32.21 | holycow | oh heh |
| 01:32.23 | holycow | thats a typo |
| 01:32.30 | SpeedEvil | not yet |
| 01:32.30 | holycow | a pretty cooly typo actually |
| 01:32.31 | SpeedEvil | the case is exactly the same. |
| 01:32.31 | SpeedEvil | It has not changed. |
| 01:32.47 | holycow | coolness. can't wait to put in an order |
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| 01:42.34 | holycow | have any newer moko vids been posted on youtube? |
| 01:42.45 | holycow | it would be nice to stir up some more noise for the project |
| 01:42.54 | holycow | maybe get some front page posts on digg or whatever |
| 01:47.10 | SpeedEvil | In some ways we're not ready for that. |
| 01:47.28 | SpeedEvil | At the moment it's a slow small pocket linux box, with GSM and GPS. |
| 01:47.43 | SpeedEvil | It has some sucky phone software (as far as users are concerned) on it. |
| 01:47.52 | SpeedEvil | And that's it. |
| 01:48.27 | SpeedEvil | It needs to get actually usable, and some semblance of polish before being splashed over the world. |
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| 01:54.22 | jadams_ | SpeedEvil, what do you run on the phone? I heard good things about the 2-20 snapshot, and I always in the past ran ScaredyCat images when I could |
| 01:57.09 | SpeedEvil | I think I'm running an image from late Dex |
| 01:57.11 | SpeedEvil | c |
| 01:57.18 | holycow | http://youtube.com/watch?v=KtFVl00YJrU |
| 01:57.20 | holycow | neato |
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| 04:04.19 | recluze | hi guys. |
| 04:04.40 | recluze | i have a problem building openmoko from the Makefile and I can't seem to find the solution on the wiki or on the forums. |
| 04:04.51 | recluze | should I post it here or is there another better lcoation? |
| 04:05.25 | jamewill_ | here is good but don't think i can help sorry |
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| 04:05.37 | jamewill_ | maybe someone else |
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| 04:05.42 | recluze | hnn. maybe someone else is willing |
| 04:05.49 | jamewill_ | just post |
| 04:06.05 | recluze | I've downloaded the Makefile, and have run make setup |
| 04:06.13 | recluze | (i have downloaded all the dependency packages) |
| 04:06.51 | recluze | when I run make openmoko-devel-image, I get the message: no files to build |
| 04:08.17 | recluze | last line of error: "ValueError: substring not found" in some event.py |
| 04:11.11 | mwester | recluze: copy and paste the message and previous output to a pastebin , and post the URL here for folks to look. |
| 04:11.13 | recluze | i'll come online on my linux box and post the complete error message |
| 04:11.14 | mwester | ~patebin |
| 04:11.26 | apt | somebody said patebin was your friend |
| 04:11.26 | mwester | ~pastebin |
| 04:11.27 | apt | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you can paste anything over 3 lines without flooding the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://www.rafb.net/paste |
| 04:11.27 | recluze | alright |
| 04:11.33 | mwester | Slow bot... |
| 04:15.20 | recluze | http://pastebin.com/m6f8858a9 |
| 04:15.34 | recluze | (and i've set up the environment variables properly as in setup-env file) |
| 04:19.59 | mwester | Oh man! you broke it! |
| 04:20.02 | mwester | :p |
| 04:20.36 | mwester | I assume you are synced with openembedded.org (update-bleeding-edge)? |
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| 05:21.01 | recluze | still updating.... network too slow :( |
| 05:21.11 | recluze | how long does this take normally |
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| 05:22.02 | CVirus | APRIL ?? |
| 05:22.44 | jamewill_ | maybe may(be) |
| 05:23.11 | CVirus | fine ... I'm waiting |
| 05:24.04 | CVirus | is it April yet :-p |
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| 05:25.26 | Daemonax | Oh darn.. The release date has slipped again. *sigh* |
| 05:25.45 | CVirus | yeah :-( |
| 05:28.26 | Sup3rkiddo | anyone know where i can find the cluase regarding finding neighbourhood cells? |
| 05:28.43 | Sup3rkiddo | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:47.49 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03werner * r4103 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (dump-gpio.patch series): (log message trimmed) |
| 05:47.49 | CIA-23 | openmoko: debug-suspend-dump-gpio-states.patch |
| 05:47.49 | CIA-23 | openmoko: From: Andy Green <andy@openmoko.com> |
| 05:47.49 | CIA-23 | openmoko: We don't actually have much idea what our GPIO states are in suspend. |
| 05:47.49 | CIA-23 | openmoko: This patch dumps them right just before we actually suspend the CPU |
| 05:47.52 | CIA-23 | openmoko: after the drivers have all made any changes they have in mind for |
| 05:47.54 | CIA-23 | openmoko: lower power operation. |
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| 05:52.36 | recluze | hey shaz whats up bud? |
| 05:52.49 | shaz | whats ur stat? |
| 05:53.43 | recluze | got some help from here and working on it..... I'll email u the details or come to my room |
| 05:54.11 | shaz | email it ... stuck in some kernel panic issues |
| 05:54.18 | recluze | k |
| 05:57.53 | shaz | hmm..... let me check it out too. pastebin is cool by the way |
| 05:58.27 | shaz | how long does this process take. Opemoko takes too much time.... |
| 05:59.31 | shaz | Can anyone from here give us a source to openmoko for FC6? It might be very useful. |
| 06:03.13 | shaz | ? |
| 06:07.14 | Psi_ | hm.. maybe my gps receiver is faulty, still cant get a lock :( |
| 06:08.33 | wurp2 | Psi_: Are you indoors? |
| 06:08.56 | Psi_ | right now i am, but i was trying to get it work outside |
| 06:09.02 | wurp2 | For the initial lock, it is almost impossible to get indoors |
| 06:09.25 | wurp2 | If you have a clear line of sight south, I think you should get one in a couple of minutes (outdoors) |
| 06:09.55 | wurp2 | it will usually keep a lock once it has it, even away from windows |
| 06:10.08 | wurp2 | but it can be finicky to get an initial lock |
| 06:10.32 | wurp2 | You can buy an antenna. I've actually had much better luck with gps signal than most other people seem to. |
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| 06:11.41 | Psi_ | i thought the plug on the side was for a gsm antenna |
| 06:12.05 | holycow | hello mokomonkeys |
| 06:13.11 | wurp2 | nah, gps |
| 06:14.17 | Psi_ | do you know if the gps chip in the gta02 is better than gta01? |
| 06:15.41 | wurp2 | I know it's more open |
| 06:15.48 | Psi_ | yeah |
| 06:15.52 | wurp2 | I don't know anything about quality of the chips |
| 06:16.18 | wurp2 | I would suspect over time it will be better, because people can write software that uses the cell node ids as a hint to location |
| 06:16.29 | wurp2 | so it could get a fix with fewer satellites |
| 06:16.40 | Psi_ | yeah |
| 06:16.54 | wurp2 | access to the 01 chip is not really available at a low enough level for that |
| 06:17.11 | wurp2 | You can get /tmp/nmeaNP output? |
| 06:17.28 | wurp2 | Just not the FIX (A3) message? |
| 06:18.41 | Psi_ | yeah i get A1 |
| 06:18.48 | Psi_ | it just never locks |
| 06:19.55 | shaz | recluze: can't get some decent help on my kernel panics |
| 06:20.18 | recluze | why don't u try this channel ;-) |
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| 06:21.00 | shaz | ya after all its because of moko options at compile time. By the way can't figuree out how it went smooth with your box |
| 06:23.23 | shaz | Guys I got a kernel panic after having the following configuration changes in menuconfig: Support for USB Gadgets, USB Peripheral Controller and set it to Dummy HCD (Development), Gadget Filesystem (EXPERIMENTAL) |
| 06:23.42 | shaz | I did as the wiki suggested! |
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| 06:24.55 | Psi_ | wurp2, the gps driver throws lots of errors when i install it tho |
| 06:37.13 | recluze | shaz: u should try addressing this room with something more general than GUYS because ladies can be at times very handy too ;-) |
| 06:38.16 | shaz | U expect pros to feel such a minute thing |
| 06:38.44 | recluze | I felt it |
| 06:39.03 | shaz | za mara |
| 06:43.08 | wurp2 | Psi_: You mean gllin throws errors when it comes up? |
| 06:43.16 | wurp2 | Some of those errors aren't errors, I think |
| 06:43.32 | wurp2 | I never look at the output any more; I just look for my /tmp/nmeaNP output |
| 06:43.55 | wurp2 | I'm pretty sure that if you're getting that output, the driver is running and talking to the chip OK |
| 06:44.41 | wurp2 | You can also look for the GPRMC line and check the date in it |
| 06:45.02 | wurp2 | If it shows today's date, you have a lock on at least one satellite and you know everything is working |
| 06:46.19 | wurp2 | somewhere after the GPRMC you should see 240208 |
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| 07:08.58 | Psi_ | wurp2, na when i install it |
| 07:09.12 | Psi_ | ipkg install gllin... etc |
| 07:09.30 | wurp2 | ah |
| 07:09.34 | wurp2 | I didn't install it that way |
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| 07:14.40 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 07:47.27 | Psi_ | wurp2, yeah, i go get 240208 on gprmc |
| 07:47.42 | wurp2 | OK, so you have at least one satellite |
| 07:47.44 | Psi_ | go=do |
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| 07:48.33 | wurp2 | I have a script that sets my neo time from that feed :-) |
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| 11:35.27 | ScaredyCat | blah! |
| 11:36.29 | Sup3rkiddo | bleh |
| 11:37.03 | ScaredyCat | AT+CCLK would probably be quicker wurp2 |
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| 12:02.18 | CM | ScaredyCat: Hey, how is it? |
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| 12:09.27 | CM | Are the ttf-liberation_0.2.bb recipie broken or is it just me? |
| 12:11.28 | CM | Is.. *sigh* |
| 12:11.56 | CIA-23 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r78 10/trunk/standards/otapi/ (5 files): simplified |
| 12:16.17 | ScaredyCat | hey CM |
| 12:16.22 | ScaredyCat | not not just you... |
| 12:16.36 | ScaredyCat | s/not not/no not/ |
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| 12:17.34 | ScaredyCat | gtk+-directfb also seems farked, plus the one I bitched about in my blog.. (another 5 day one) |
| 12:20.20 | CM | Yeah.. |
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| 12:37.53 | teprrr | Psi_, for how long did you try to get lock outside? |
| 12:38.01 | teprrr | Psi_, for me it gets a fix in a minute or two |
| 12:40.47 | edistar_ | is there any substantial quality difference between the gps chip in the gta-01 and the one in the gta-02? |
| 12:42.05 | teprrr | no idea about that |
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| 12:42.29 | teprrr | but the current chip gets a fix much faster than the n810 |
| 12:43.10 | teprrr | hmm, has anyone been able to register to network lately? |
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| 12:43.26 | teprrr | I get the insert pin dialog, but it doesn't accept my pin code |
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| 13:10.32 | teprrr | ahh. got it. had to enter the pin manually with libgsmd-tool :P |
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| 14:00.48 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03werner * r4104 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/pcf50633.patch: |
| 14:00.48 | CIA-23 | openmoko: pcf50633.patch: |
| 14:00.48 | CIA-23 | openmoko: - drivers/i2c/chips/pcf50633.c (pcf50633_resume): after resume, process all |
| 14:00.48 | CIA-23 | openmoko: pending interrupts, since we may have lost the interrupt that woke us up |
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| 14:33.35 | kahless_ | hi |
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| 15:16.02 | larrydag | hello |
| 15:16.08 | ajbrun | YAR! |
| 15:18.48 | larrydag | any new development with Dash.net? i believe it uses the openmoko framework |
| 15:19.09 | SpeedEvil | As far as we can gather, it doesn't really much |
| 15:19.16 | SpeedEvil | it uses the kernel with the OM patches |
| 15:19.23 | larrydag | i see |
| 15:19.51 | larrydag | well it would be cool to see Freerunner use some of the same apps. |
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| 15:22.45 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03werner * r4105 10/developers/werner/bin/ (neo work4): |
| 15:22.45 | CIA-23 | openmoko: work4: use common layout script |
| 15:22.45 | CIA-23 | openmoko: neo: pass any arguments to ssh, letting us execute commands |
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| 15:44.57 | folgore07 | 8 Ciao a Tutti...4 ;) |
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| 17:47.02 | dcordes | where can one get that fancy 'youhaa' application? |
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| 20:39.00 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03werner * r4106 10/trunk/src/host/norwp/README: Clarified that querying NOR_WP is only reliable after it's been set. |
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| 20:42.29 | holycow | http://apricot.blender.org/ |
| 20:42.58 | holycow | in the first story, glimpse of future, what are they talking about when they say they now have a real cs preview inside blender? |
| 20:43.00 | holycow | what is cs? |
| 20:43.26 | Mononoke | crystalspace |
| 20:43.28 | Mononoke | engine |
| 20:43.41 | Mononoke | maybe :) |
| 20:45.39 | holycow | ohohhh |
| 20:45.43 | holycow | googling that |
| 20:45.44 | holycow | thx |
| 20:46.27 | holycow | aha |
| 20:46.29 | holycow | game engine |
| 20:46.30 | holycow | neato |
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| 22:10.31 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03werner * r4107 10/trunk/src/host/devirginator/mknor: |
| 22:10.31 | CIA-23 | openmoko: mknor: added alternative erase command, which completes in about 10s instead of 40s |
| 22:10.31 | CIA-23 | openmoko: mknor: changes (local) path name to u-boot |
| 22:15.07 | anrp | hwo does it erase faster? |
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| 22:26.03 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03werner * r4108 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (4 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 22:26.03 | CIA-23 | openmoko: When booting from NOR, u-boot did not check whether we are resuming. |
| 22:26.03 | CIA-23 | openmoko: This patch moves this code to a common function which is called in the |
| 22:26.03 | CIA-23 | openmoko: NOR and NAND boot path (but not when booting from RAM). |
| 22:26.03 | CIA-23 | openmoko: cpu/arm920t/start.S is a very busy file, so a number of other patches |
| 22:26.05 | CIA-23 | openmoko: had to be refreshed. |
| 22:26.07 | CIA-23 | openmoko: uboot-neo1973-resume.patch: |
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| 22:39.03 | CM | Nice patches :) |
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| 22:45.33 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03werner * r4109 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/scripts/build: |
| 22:45.33 | CIA-23 | openmoko: scripts/build: updated to GIT_HEAD b29661fc1151077776454288051bc9a488351ce8, |
| 22:45.33 | CIA-23 | openmoko: SVN_HEAD 4108 |
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| 23:06.36 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03werner * r4110 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/config/defconfig-2.6.24: config/defconfig-2.6.24: added CONFIG_INPUT_LIS302DL |
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| 23:32.57 | Psi_ | anyone know what $GPLOR means, i cant find any reference to it in NMEA. |
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