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| 00:14.41 | jadams_ | the review of the 2-20 snapshot looks great |
| 00:15.26 | jadams_ | As soon as I get a 500G or so hard drive (out of space) for my media center PC, I'll probably set up a mokomakefile on it to build software on since it's always underutilized |
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| 01:53.56 | Rtfum-aF | 12H2641 Kaloz ultralisk rabble danilos |
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| 02:11.31 | Moniker42 | 'lo everyone |
| 02:11.56 | Moniker42 | i'm sure you're sick of people asking for a launch date, but if it's 'maybe march' and this is the 23rd of february... not happening in march? :( |
| 02:12.23 | jadams_ | Moniker42, read the Community Updates page on the wii? |
| 02:12.25 | jadams_ | err |
| 02:12.26 | jadams_ | wiki |
| 02:13.10 | Moniker42 | jadams_, unfortunately i made the decision to buy an $800 blu-ray playing brick and that option is not available to me ;) |
| 02:13.16 | Moniker42 | but, yea, *wiki* |
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| 12:30.46 | cb22 | is it just me or don't the wiki pages render correctly in ffb3? |
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| 12:37.00 | mbuf | anybody completed a recent build? been stuck with this error, "Error: 404: Not found" for http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/trunk-svn.o-hand.com_.repos.eds-dbus_659_.tar.gz" |
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| 12:48.37 | teprrr | hello, anyone knows whether it's possible to write slash ('/') with the current, phone-like, keypad? |
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| 13:12.28 | ajbrun | i'd be surprised if you couldn't teprrr |
| 13:18.41 | teprrr | ajbrun, hmm. I haven't been able to locate how to do it.. earlier with the qwerty keyb it worked, iirc |
| 13:19.09 | ajbrun | i don't have the phone, so i don't know myself, but i'd be surprised if you couldn't |
| 13:20.39 | ahven | hmm, the last versions of openmoko came with qwerty |
| 13:20.43 | teprrr | the keypad has changed somewhere in time from qwerty like to smaller phone-like pad |
| 13:20.48 | ahven | a week back or so |
| 13:21.05 | teprrr | I just took a daily snapshot yesterday |
| 13:21.06 | ahven | yup, had that version also |
| 13:21.10 | ahven | interesting |
| 13:21.25 | ahven | OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080215-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 |
| 13:21.33 | ahven | this one has qwerty :) |
| 13:21.48 | ahven | week +1 days old |
| 13:22.06 | teprrr | OpenMoko-openmoko-devel-image-glibc-ipk-P1-Snapshot-20080220-fic-gta01.rootfs.jffs2 this is what I'm running currently |
| 13:25.34 | teprrr | I would show you a screenshot, but I can't locate where the AUX menu's screenshot action saved it |
| 13:32.46 | SpeedEvil | find / -name "*png" |
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| 13:33.56 | ajbrun | oh the irony |
| 13:34.06 | ajbrun | <teprrr> hello, anyone knows whether it's possible to write slash ('/') with the current, phone-like, keypad |
| 13:34.13 | ajbrun | :p |
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| 14:16.32 | wurp2 | ajbrun: It is not |
| 14:16.55 | wurp2 | [[Switching_Keyboards]] tells you how to swap back to the old keyboard |
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| 17:12.22 | teprrr | wurp2, ah, I see. it'd be nice if one could change the keyboard with a hardware button or according the selected orientation :) |
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| 21:41.15 | reSpawn | "due March." |
| 21:41.18 | reSpawn | who says that ?:P |
| 21:43.14 | mwester | Oops. looks like somebody updated the topic, and screwed that up. |
| 21:43.39 | mwester | From the sounds of it on the ML, it may possibly be April, but maybe even later. |
| 21:43.57 | reSpawn | FreeRunner ? |
| 21:43.58 | mwester | Certainly not a chance that it'll ship in March. |
| 21:44.14 | reSpawn | Cool |
| 21:44.33 | SpeedEvil | mwester: it does say maybe due |
| 21:45.03 | *** topic/#openmoko by SpeedEvil -> http://openmoko.org/ New version is the FreeRunner (with WiFi...) maybe due April Official status: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates |
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| 21:55.59 | reSpawn | Ale: de fapt |
| 21:55.59 | reSpawn | Ale: asta treb sa fac |
| 21:55.59 | reSpawn | Ale: si 2..sa`mi schmb poza |
| 21:55.59 | reSpawn | Ale: |
| 21:56.03 | reSpawn | wops |
| 21:56.07 | reSpawn | ffs! stupid paste |
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| 23:05.10 | ajbrun | "maybe due April" :( |
| 23:07.31 | ajbrun | might have to make it a 22nd birthday present for myself i suppose... |
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| 23:09.20 | Blastur | ajbrun: someone said august |
| 23:09.35 | Blastur | and i think its realistic, if you want fully operational hw |
| 23:10.14 | ajbrun | august for the dev version or full public release? |
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| 23:10.33 | Blastur | i mean, its absolutely everything that the hardware is working for this first release, otherwise this project will go to waste |
| 23:10.49 | Blastur | people will start to judge the entire project based on neo1973 performance |
| 23:11.09 | Blastur | and no matter how good the next phone will be, ppl will only remember the fiasco behind neo1973 |
| 23:11.35 | Blastur | ajbrun: the dev version was released a year ago, mass-market device is prolly gonna release in august |
| 23:11.49 | ajbrun | i can understand the gta02 being pushed to april, but isn't august a bit of fa push considering march (or even 2007) was a possibility? |
| 23:12.44 | Blastur | why? the original release date for GTA02 was September 2007 |
| 23:12.44 | Blastur | they have pushed the date ever since |
| 23:12.45 | ajbrun | which is why it's even more of a stretch |
| 23:12.52 | reSpawn | They should release the phone to public only when it's 100% operational |
| 23:12.57 | Blastur | i agree |
| 23:13.17 | Blastur | ajbrun, well, consider the state of the project, wifi etc .. its not gonna finish overnight |
| 23:13.37 | Blastur | i'd say its very realistic to have a few more months of hw dev evaluation |
| 23:14.17 | ajbrun | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2008-February/013280.html <---- 2nd paragraph seems to suggest that they're expecting no huge hold ups? |
| 23:14.19 | mwester | That's true, but the folks funding the project are going to be eager to see some sales start soon as well. |
| 23:14.26 | reSpawn | and another month of testing of the final design with the final touches I guess |
| 23:14.46 | mwester | So it's probable that it will ship with some hardware flaws remaining, as long as those flaws can be worked around in software. |
| 23:15.37 | mwester | Given that, I think April is possible. Likely even, if they don't have to do another spin of the circuit board itself. |
| 23:15.45 | ajbrun | http://www.digitimes.com/telecom/a20080218PD213.html "Taiwan-based OpenMoko, a Linux-based open source handset platform developer, plans to launch the second version of its Neo open source handset in the March-April period this year, according to company president Sean Moss-Pultz." |
| 23:16.22 | Blastur | ajbrun, well, you can read such statements all over the web, but reality is that if you look at the developer mailinglists, you will get the best estimates |
| 23:16.25 | ajbrun | the above links are why i think april is probable, but august is a bit of a push |
| 23:16.30 | mwester | Of course, keep in mind the difference between "marketing-speak" and reality... |
| 23:16.58 | ajbrun | yes, but i doubt the company president would say something without good reason |
| 23:19.03 | Blastur | i can't really read the article, since it requires a login |
| 23:19.18 | ajbrun | i haven't logged into anything |
| 23:19.25 | mwester | I agree. I'm just pointing out that a marketing/sales person might argue that as long as they began production before the last day in April (which would mean units shipping in mid to late May), they would meet Sean's goal... hopefully that's not the case. |
| 23:19.43 | ajbrun | oh wait - you're right |
| 23:19.49 | ajbrun | i'll find the better link |
| 23:21.18 | ajbrun | http://www.digg.com/search?s=openmoko&submit=Search§ion=all&type=both&area=all&sort=new <--- only seems to work from digg. "OpenMoko to unveil second open source handset in March-April" |
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| 23:24.32 | Blastur | these 'joint productions' they speak of, like Dash Express |
| 23:24.43 | Blastur | i hope im not forced to use these apps? |
| 23:25.26 | Blastur | that they somehow brand my phone, and make it impossible for me to modify or remove the apps |
| 23:25.55 | ajbrun | i wouldn't have thought they could with it being open source? |
| 23:26.48 | Blastur | depends on the license i suppose |
| 23:33.18 | SpeedEvil | I personally wouldn't mind the opportunity to buy an OM phone, with some limitations, for example, locked to one carrier, or with the homepage having branding and a link to the phone makers website. |
| 23:33.33 | SpeedEvil | As long as it's subsidised, and the user is told this. |
| 23:34.22 | ajbrun | tbh, my phone died a few nights ago, but i was hoping the freerunner would be my next one. Guess I'll have to borrow one in the mean time |
| 23:34.30 | Blastur | how would manufacturers control this, if you have JTAG access? :) |
| 23:34.57 | SpeedEvil | Blastur: on another topic - I want the ability to lock my phone up so hard that JTAG won't work if I choose to. |
| 23:35.19 | Blastur | and how would you do that? |
| 23:35.31 | SpeedEvil | Blastur: several possibilities. |
| 23:35.38 | Blastur | such as? |
| 23:35.50 | SpeedEvil | Blastur: microcontroller on the JTAG lines, that takes a password. |
| 23:36.13 | Blastur | Neo1973 has this? and cant you simply bypass such MCU? |
| 23:36.30 | SpeedEvil | no, and in principle it could be moderately hard. |
| 23:36.43 | anrp | sure you can, but you'd need a soldering iron and a steady hand |
| 23:36.45 | SpeedEvil | There is 'plug in JTAG cable and flash' |
| 23:36.51 | anrp | and probably a microscope |
| 23:37.11 | SpeedEvil | and 'desolder can over main processor, desolder MCU, ... |
| 23:37.35 | Blastur | still, neo doesnt have this, right? |
| 23:37.36 | anrp | on one hand, simlock isn't really needed since the cell company already has a legal contract whereby they get their money |
| 23:37.43 | SpeedEvil | Blastur: no. |
| 23:37.47 | anrp | on the other hand the carrier could lose out on roaming revenue |
| 23:37.49 | anrp | so.. :/ |
| 23:38.02 | Blastur | so how would you lockout JTAG without such MCU? |
| 23:38.09 | Blastur | you mentioned several possibilities |
| 23:38.24 | Blastur | (im genuinly interested here, not busting your balls) |
| 23:38.24 | Blastur | :P |
| 23:38.27 | SpeedEvil | Blastur: the trivial way is to epoxy blob the connector. |
| 23:38.56 | anrp | the more expensive way is to do a large fab run of the CPU, which lets the customer (fic) burn whatever they want into the rom |
| 23:39.07 | SpeedEvil | Blastur: alternatively if on really high volume, you get a special firmware flashed into the main SoC, that verifies stuff |
| 23:39.09 | Blastur | do you think this would be an option for FIC if they were to sell branded phones? epoxy the connector? |
| 23:39.13 | anrp | then you could sign the fw etc |
| 23:39.25 | anrp | that is the tivo way |
| 23:39.36 | anrp | might run into issues with gplv3 but .. |
| 23:39.36 | Blastur | fab run? |
| 23:39.51 | anrp | i.e. buy 10k cpus from samsung |
| 23:40.02 | anrp | and get the option of having your own rom/bootloader burned in |
| 23:40.12 | SpeedEvil | Blastur: you pay Samsung a million, and they give you a few hundred thousand processors. |
| 23:40.18 | SpeedEvil | Blastur: with custom ROMs |
| 23:40.25 | Blastur | ok, so basically you alter the JTAG protocol? |
| 23:40.36 | Blastur | into something that also requires authentication ? |
| 23:40.49 | anrp | probably just deny it |
| 23:40.55 | anrp | or allow it but refuse to boot unsigned code |
| 23:40.55 | balrog-kun | what's an easy way to calculate the route distance from a gps trace? |
| 23:41.07 | SpeedEvil | balrog-kun: sum all of the route segments |
| 23:41.40 | SpeedEvil | Blastur: or that, yes. For example you require a signed bootloader, which checks the kernel image is signed, which checks each binary it runs is signed |
| 23:41.43 | balrog-kun | SpeedEvil: there are 3000 of segments ;) i would like my computer to do that for me |
| 23:41.52 | SpeedEvil | gpx? |
| 23:41.56 | balrog-kun | yep |
| 23:42.26 | Blastur | i see |
| 23:42.39 | Blastur | do you think FIC plans such thing? |
| 23:42.56 | anrp | if someone offers them $large_sum, they probably would |
| 23:43.00 | balrog-kun | and especially the complex maths on lat/lon coordinates |
| 23:43.01 | anrp | but they're likely not advocating it |
| 23:43.08 | ajbrun | does anyone know if it's possible to take the memory (ie the phone numbers) from a nokia 3510i, and either put it into another phone or a PC to retreive the numbers? |
| 23:43.35 | Blastur | i guess this would greatly cripple the ability to update the phone? what kind of operations can only be carried out via JTAG? ie, if using only USB, what am I limited to? |
| 23:44.06 | Blastur | i mean, JTAG is really only a debugging interface, and for replacing really lowlevel stuff, right? |
| 23:44.06 | anrp | ripping out the flashing capability of u-boot would be relatively trivial |
| 23:44.22 | anrp | jtag can be used to debug code, program the flash, test the pins, ... |
| 23:44.27 | Blastur | ok |
| 23:44.41 | Blastur | so if u-boot loses the ability to flash, we can only turn to jtag? |
| 23:44.49 | anrp | yep |
| 23:44.56 | Blastur | i see |
| 23:45.06 | anrp | that's also what happened when someone messes up u-boot, their only out is with the debug board and jtag |
| 23:45.13 | Blastur | =P |
| 23:45.35 | Blastur | i dont really plan on going lowlevel on my neo.. im mainly interested in application development |
| 23:45.39 | anrp | you could also desolder the flash but that's slow and unreliable |
| 23:45.40 | SpeedEvil | balrog-kun: annoying. I know I wrote code to do exactly this and spit out distance per gpx filename |
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| 23:46.08 | balrog-kun | SpeedEvil: did you do the lat/lon maths in awk? |
| 23:46.14 | SpeedEvil | Also desoldering flash wouldn't work with appropruate security |
| 23:46.16 | SpeedEvil | balrog-kun: yes |
| 23:46.19 | balrog-kun | whoah |
| 23:46.28 | anrp | if the rom bootloader was recoded, true |
| 23:46.42 | anrp | in that case you could replace the cpu! |
| 23:46.48 | anrp | but at that point you've essentially rebuilt the phone |
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| 23:58.30 | SpeedEvil | balrog-kun: ah |
| 23:58.40 | SpeedEvil | balrog-kun: http://www.mauve.plus.com/gpx-distance |