| 00:00.39 | SpeedEvil | I had the impression it was sometime in the future. |
| 00:01.31 | psychcf | there's a press release they have saying that it would start early in 2008, and be ready at the end of 2008 |
| 00:02.30 | psychcf | they also say they would publish technical specifications early 2008, but I can't seem to find those |
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| 01:52.02 | ubuntufreak | I have installed openmoko under qemu in Ubuntu 7.10 and how do i navigate after booting into the openmoko |
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| 01:58.54 | cozy-me | Can someone point me to the eabi version of gllin ? |
| 01:59.08 | Mek | there is none afaik |
| 01:59.39 | cozy-me | Mek, ok, thanks! |
| 02:00.20 | jamewill_ | cozy-me, i think there is a hack...... version of eabi http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/01/27/3-getting-gllin-to-run/ |
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| 02:12.45 | cozy-me | jamewill_, thanks for the link. Does not seem to work... |
| 02:12.48 | cozy-me | ABI: ARM, ver 10 |
| 02:12.48 | cozy-me | Unknown machine type |
| 02:12.48 | cozy-me | ABI: ARM, ver 10 |
| 02:12.48 | cozy-me | Unknown machine type |
| 02:14.45 | jamewill_ | cozy-me, balrog-kun is in #openmoko - you would have to ask him..... not tried myself |
| 02:15.31 | cozy-me | balrog-kun, ping |
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| 02:48.26 | balrog-kun | cozy-me: pong |
| 02:49.14 | balrog-kun | cozy-me: what's your command-line? |
| 02:49.34 | cozy-me | balrog-kun, I tried the steps mentioned here version of eabi http://unadventure.wordpress.com/2008/01/27/3-getting-gllin-to-run/ |
| 02:49.45 | cozy-me | balrog-kun, and the /sys/ -> /s/s/ hack |
| 02:50.45 | balrog-kun | oh, i hadn't heard of that hack |
| 02:50.51 | cozy-me | ./ld4 --depnofail --weakdummies --settargetname --noinit gllin.real2 -low 5 |
| 02:50.51 | cozy-me | ./ld4 --depnofail --weakdummies --settargetname --noinit gllin.real2 -periodic 2 |
| 02:51.05 | cozy-me | and I get |
| 02:51.06 | cozy-me | ABI: ARM, ver 10 |
| 02:51.06 | cozy-me | Unknown machine type |
| 02:51.06 | cozy-me | ABI: ARM, ver 10 |
| 02:51.06 | cozy-me | Unknown machine type |
| 02:51.30 | cozy-me | the /sys/ hack is documented here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gllin |
| 02:52.13 | balrog-kun | ah, smart |
| 02:52.22 | cozy-me | balrog-kun, does it work for you? |
| 02:52.50 | balrog-kun | does it work without ld4? i.e. with only the /sys -> /s/s hack? |
| 02:52.59 | cozy-me | no |
| 02:53.10 | balrog-kun | cozy-me: yes, ld4 works for me, but i haven't tried this /sys thing yet |
| 02:53.46 | balrog-kun | if you replace gllin.real with gllin.real2 and then run the "gllin" script it doesn't work? |
| 02:54.12 | cozy-me | /home/root/gllin/gllin.real2: error while loading shared libraries: /home/root/gllin/gllin.real2: ELF file version does not match current one |
| 02:54.51 | balrog-kun | cozy-me: sound like the sed command fucked up the executable |
| 02:55.05 | balrog-kun | sed is generally meant for working on text rather than binary data |
| 02:55.55 | balrog-kun | you could use a hex editor like mcedit to make the /sys change manually |
| 02:57.16 | cozy-me | balrog-kun, $ strings gllin.real2 | grep '/s/s/' |
| 02:57.28 | cozy-me | shows the expected behavior |
| 02:57.37 | cozy-me | I've used sed in that manner before. |
| 02:58.09 | balrog-kun | is the "sed" on openmoko the one from busybox? |
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| 02:58.44 | balrog-kun | i'd try scp'ing gllin.real to pc and running sed there and then scp'ing back |
| 02:58.54 | cozy-me | balrog-kun, ah, good point |
| 02:59.04 | cozy-me | balrog-kun, trying... |
| 03:05.00 | cozy-me | balrog-kun, 10 points for you: |
| 03:05.03 | cozy-me | root@fic-gta01:~/gllin$ md5sum gllin.real2 |
| 03:05.03 | cozy-me | 2a455b7df49c658085f743562e85f9f0 gllin.real2 |
| 03:05.03 | cozy-me | root@fic-gta01:~/gllin$ md5sum gllin.real3 |
| 03:05.03 | cozy-me | 4849793d8278d1c0a953cf63c3c754bb gllin.real3 |
| 03:05.13 | cozy-me | balrog-kun, and... |
| 03:05.30 | cozy-me | :~/gllin$ cat /tmp/nmeaNP |
| 03:05.30 | cozy-me | $GPGGA,235946.99,,,,,00,00,5.0,,M,0.0001999,M,0.0020199,*57 |
| 03:05.30 | cozy-me | $GPGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,11.2,5.0,10.0*36 |
| 03:05.30 | cozy-me | $GPRMC,235946.99,V,,,,,,,120180,,,N*78 |
| 03:05.30 | cozy-me | $GPGGA,235946.99,,,,,00,00,5.0,,M,0.0001999,M,0.0020199,*57 |
| 03:05.33 | cozy-me | ... |
| 03:06.10 | cozy-me | balrog-kun, I'll warn people on the wiki not to use busybox-sed. Thanks a lot! |
| 03:06.37 | balrog-kun | yay |
| 03:15.47 | cozy-me | balrog-kun, there: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Gllin thanks again... good night! |
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| 03:25.19 | balrog-kun | that should probably go in "discussion" |
| 03:25.28 | balrog-kun | also, since it's there, it probably worked for some people |
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| 03:47.07 | wurp2 | Does anyone know why we now have a spinning hourglass *and* the little spinning circle while an app starts? |
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| 04:16.45 | raster | shhhh |
| 04:16.50 | raster | be vewy vewy kwiet |
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| 04:35.02 | CVirus | raster: you're hunting wabbits ? |
| 04:35.13 | raster | indeed |
| 04:36.15 | CVirus | raster: I know Python and a bit of Java and I want to learn C ...Any advise ? |
| 04:36.35 | raster | gerbils |
| 04:36.36 | CVirus | I would love to try and use EFL |
| 04:36.55 | CVirus | I see |
| 04:37.06 | CVirus | raster: are you drunk ? |
| 04:37.24 | alphaone | CVirus: You can never tell... |
| 04:37.30 | raster | not yet |
| 04:37.30 | raster | :) |
| 04:37.30 | CVirus | hehe |
| 04:38.18 | raster | as for learning c |
| 04:38.19 | raster | dunno |
| 04:38.23 | raster | i started with hello world |
| 04:38.26 | raster | and went from there |
| 04:38.30 | raster | wrote stuff |
| 04:38.36 | raster | poked around other people's code until i got it |
| 04:39.14 | CVirus | I see |
| 04:39.59 | CVirus | raster: thanks for the advice |
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| 04:52.01 | raster | hehehehe |
| 04:52.35 | ljp | after all, they _are_ fenced in |
| 04:53.18 | raster | speaking of gerbils - qi built qtopia for om day before yesterday |
| 04:53.46 | raster | does the wonderful thing of starting blinking something on the screen (clock "i'm busy" i think) and then instantly crashes leaving me with a blank screen and a blinking cursor :( |
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| 04:55.36 | ljp | hmmm.. worked for me when I last compiled qtopia x a few weeks ago |
| 04:55.51 | raster | hmmm |
| 04:55.59 | raster | ok- so not a typical situation eh? |
| 04:56.01 | raster | :) |
| 04:56.39 | ljp | not that I know of. maybe it is detecting libgtk and doesnt want to make it look bad, so it kills itself |
| 04:56.52 | raster | hahahahahahahah |
| 04:57.02 | ljp | :) |
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| 05:04.22 | ljp | you guys might want to remove this line -extra-qt-config -no-glib from devices/ficgta01configure. although I dont know why you would want the glib event filter |
| 05:04.40 | ljp | devices/ficgta01/configure |
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| 05:13.41 | ljp | actually, that wont effect qtopia. |
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| 05:14.16 | ljp | i think there was some recent fix for glib event loop for qtopia core |
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| 07:30.29 | Varun | hi all |
| 07:30.50 | Varun | how to start an application in fullscreen mode?? |
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| 10:09.15 | zdanek | hello all. |
| 10:09.26 | Selveste1 | hay |
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| 10:25.53 | Varun | hi all |
| 10:26.20 | Varun | how to run my application in full screen mode |
| 10:26.21 | Varun | ?? |
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| 10:54.15 | Varun | how to start an application in startup?? |
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| 12:00.57 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03werner * r4102 10/trunk/src/target/gpio/ (. Makefile README gpio.c): GPIO is a utility to read and set GPIO pins of the Samsung S3C2442 MCU. |
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| 12:40.07 | Varun | hi all |
| 12:40.21 | Varun | how to use neod to go to fullscreen mode?? |
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| 12:42.50 | zedstar | varun hold down aux button for a while |
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| 12:49.05 | Varun | dezstar: i need to do it from my applcation...not manually... |
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| 12:51.37 | zedstar | varun ah.. tangogps has a fullscreen mode option so u could find in the code if u feeling energetic |
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| 14:46.10 | wurp2 | How are most people getting their domain resolution to remain correct in both usb and bt networking? |
| 14:46.53 | wurp2 | Modify /etc/resolv.conf in ifup/ifdown for usb0 & bnep0, or just pick a hard coded address out there somewhere on the web that they expect to always provide DNS |
| 14:47.04 | wurp2 | or some other solution? |
| 14:48.53 | SpeedEvil | There is always the multiple nameserver solution |
| 14:49.08 | wurp2 | ah, I didn't know you could do that :-) |
| 14:49.09 | wurp2 | Thanks! |
| 14:49.19 | SpeedEvil | It can on occasion cause delays |
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| 14:49.30 | SpeedEvil | but it generally works ok |
| 14:49.52 | SpeedEvil | There is always ipkg install bind |
| 14:50.16 | wurp2 | I will remember that for a backup plan |
| 14:50.24 | wurp2 | but for now, I think multiple nameservers is the solution for me |
| 14:50.36 | SpeedEvil | (I doubt bind is available as an ipkg) |
| 14:51.40 | mwester | dnsmasq should be available. |
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| 14:53.42 | wurp2 | mwester: But wouldn't that just push the problem of which IP to use as the nameserver back to dnsmasq? |
| 14:53.57 | mwester | Yes, but no different with bind. |
| 14:54.20 | wurp2 | btw, I finally got dnsmasq up on my main box and it solved my intermittent dns issues on the neo |
| 14:54.49 | wurp2 | I had to kill avahi-daemon and bind9. I knew I needed to kill bind9, but I had to hunt down avahi-daemon |
| 14:55.45 | Vegar | yup |
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| 14:56.08 | Vegar | how often do you need it? |
| 14:56.08 | wurp2 | mwester: Ah, I thought in bind you could configure it with two in such a way that it could be smart enough to either identify a good one and stick with it until it fails, or switch which one based on the interface |
| 14:56.19 | wurp2 | It is on by default in ubuntu :-/ |
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| 14:57.37 | wurp2 | So, now I appear to have reliable networking over bt, and reliable name resolution over both usb & bt |
| 14:57.58 | wurp2 | If I could just get gprs working consistently, I'd be all set up in the neo-networking dept |
| 14:58.25 | Pitbullpc | anyone know if sameo ever got the ar6001 driver working with the Eye-fi card? |
| 15:02.40 | Pitbullpc | or does anyone know the state of the ar6001 driver he was working on? last i heard he was nearly finished, but was still working through some issues |
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| 15:07.05 | william_ | hello |
| 15:07.35 | william_ | is there any explaination why openmoko use GSM on UART0 in qemu and UART1 in real hardware ? |
| 15:09.42 | william_ | did i need to patch that ? |
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| 15:19.57 | balrog-kun | no, it uses UART0 also on real hw |
| 15:20.38 | Sup3rkiddo | is the wiki down? |
| 15:21.32 | Blastur | no |
| 15:24.09 | Sup3rkiddo | hmm...thanks |
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| 16:55.01 | PBeck | servus :) |
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| 17:30.32 | Genesis | bye |
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| 18:12.11 | jmichel | I have some difficulty with my SD card since I have flashed kernel 2.6.24 |
| 18:12.35 | jmichel | I can read it but when I'm writting to the card the files become corrupted |
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| 18:12.52 | jmichel | Anyone could confirm ? |
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| 18:15.26 | doughnut42 | yeah, i had similar problems until i edited this file: |
| 18:15.27 | doughnut42 | openembedded/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc |
| 18:15.51 | doughnut42 | to change this: |
| 18:15.51 | doughnut42 | SRCREV_pn-linux-openmoko ?= "4082" |
| 18:15.51 | doughnut42 | to this: |
| 18:15.51 | doughnut42 | SRCREV_pn-linux-openmoko ?= "4096" |
| 18:16.02 | doughnut42 | then rebuilt the kernel |
| 18:17.04 | doughnut42 | jmichel: ping |
| 18:17.40 | jmichel | doughnut42: thanks... I'm trying right now |
| 18:19.18 | jmichel | doughnut42: What is this file and this setting ? |
| 18:21.26 | doughnut42 | i think its used to peg svn checkouts to certain stable revisions for various packages. that change bumps up the revision to use for the openmoko svn repository to include recent patches which fix the sd card handling in the kernel. |
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| 18:34.11 | wolfgang_spraul | sv__: hi Seabass! |
| 18:34.36 | sv__ | hey there :) |
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| 18:52.54 | mwester | jmichel: You can also fetch a pre-build kernel with the SD card fix from http://moko.mwester.net/ until the autobuilt images incorporate the fix. |
| 18:54.01 | ScaredyCat | yum |
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| 18:54.35 | jmichel | mwester: thanks but I need to build my own kernel with some new modules, and the fix discussed earlier works fine |
| 18:54.51 | ScaredyCat | ~lart developers who insist on commiting broken stuff |
| 18:54.51 | apt | beats the living hamstercrap out of developers who insist on commiting broken stuff |
| 18:55.35 | mwester | Ouch!!! |
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| 18:57.19 | balrog-kun | hah |
| 19:00.05 | spydon | bb |
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| 19:09.05 | wurp2 | Anyone know a good way to keep my neo using the right default route? |
| 19:09.34 | wurp2 | When I set up the default route for bt, I have to remove the default for usb0 |
| 19:09.37 | wurp2 | and vice versa |
| 19:10.10 | wurp2 | I guess I can go dig up the ifup scripts for bnep0 and usb0, but I am not very familiar with such things... |
| 19:10.17 | ajbrun | http://www.latest-mobile.com/articles/smartphone/openmoko-to-reveal-a-linux-smartphone-next-to-neo-1973_4757 <---- is it official now? March-April is when GTA02 is out? |
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| 19:10.53 | ajbrun | "Taiwan-based OpenMoko, a Linux-based open source handset platform developer, plans to launch the second version of its Neo open source handset in the March-April period this year, according to company president Sean Moss-Pultz." |
| 19:12.05 | ewon | I'll believe it when it's in my hands |
| 19:12.15 | ajbrun | yeah... |
| 19:12.32 | anrp_ | oh ye of little faith |
| 19:12.37 | anrp_ | ! |
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| 19:13.02 | ajbrun | tbh, it has been delayed twice already anrp |
| 19:13.45 | jamewill_ | ping zedstar |
| 19:13.51 | anrp | i know |
| 19:13.52 | anrp | :/ |
| 19:14.07 | wurp2 | That page has pop-ups and also implies that the 02 is quad-band, which we all know isn't true |
| 19:14.30 | ajbrun | i got no popups |
| 19:14.31 | wolfgang_spraul | we have around 50 02 already, they work better every day :-) |
| 19:14.34 | ajbrun | try this 1 http://www.digitimes.com/telecom/a20080218PD213.html |
| 19:14.43 | wolfgang_spraul | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Prototypes |
| 19:14.48 | wurp2 | I got one warning from firefox + one pop-up |
| 19:15.32 | wurp2 | ajbrun: Oh, I could read it. I was just bitching and calling into question the validity of a page that has known false statements + intrusive adz |
| 19:15.49 | ajbrun | i know - that's a different link though, and is the one i quoted |
| 19:16.12 | wurp2 | ajbrun: Oh, sorry, I see |
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| 19:16.29 | wurp2 | I'm guessing no one has a good trick to deal with my default route issue... |
| 19:17.17 | ajbrun | no, sorry - i have no phone :( |
| 19:17.57 | ajbrun | my nokia 6510i (i think) broke last night :( |
| 19:18.01 | wurp2 | ajbrun: Agh, and there aren't any more (new ones) until the 02 comes out |
| 19:18.09 | wurp2 | double agh |
| 19:18.22 | ajbrun | i don't want a neo unless it's the gta02 anyway |
| 19:18.39 | wurp2 | I thought that way at first |
| 19:18.44 | ajbrun | that phone lasted ages now anyway - a good 5 years or so |
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| 19:18.59 | wurp2 | then gave in after 4 months of waiting, 3 of which after the expected 02 release month ;-) |
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| 19:19.26 | wurp2 | Now I am happy with the 01. I probably won't upgrade until the software on the 02 is more settled |
| 19:19.42 | ajbrun | ah - i guess the 01 is decent after all then |
| 19:19.57 | wurp2 | I don't care too much about wifi if I have bt-net & gprs |
| 19:20.23 | wurp2 | And video at stretched 1/2 screen is good enough for now (that's the only thing I think I would use 400mhz cpu for) |
| 19:20.53 | wurp2 | accelerometer would be fun to play with, but not enough to warrant another $400 expense, and I think power mgmt will be almost as good on 01 as 02 |
| 19:21.04 | wurp2 | that would be the only thing that would really entice me |
| 19:21.38 | wurp2 | yeah, I use my 01 as my primary phone... for now I have about a 20% lost call rate, but afaik it's all software issues, which I would have on the 02 as well |
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| 19:28.51 | fgau | wurp2: pygsmd is your friend, never loast a call : http://projects.linuxtogo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/?root=smartphones |
| 19:29.05 | anrp | ... |
| 19:29.39 | anrp | you have very low expectations for your phone, wurp2 ... 20% drop rate is abysmal for a phone |
| 19:29.51 | anrp | even if its software i'm surprised you use it already |
| 19:30.19 | anrp | :/ |
| 19:30.37 | anrp | on the other hand that does root out bugs... |
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| 19:35.02 | jmichel | Is anyone using the OM with the USB port in host mode? |
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| 19:35.53 | jmichel | I'm trying a device and it is not working correctly... I enabled usbmon and I can see that the USB tranmission is loosing many bytes |
| 19:36.55 | jmichel | And I correctly set the /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-ohci/usb_mode to "host" |
| 19:37.22 | jmichel | In fact when I try a keyborad it works fine |
| 19:37.29 | wurp2 | fgau: Thanks!! |
| 19:37.48 | wurp2 | anrp: Absolutely, 20% drop rate is abysmal |
| 19:38.08 | wurp2 | But I know the software is alpha, and I prefer 20% drop to carrying two phones |
| 19:38.20 | wurp2 | and I prefer carrying two phones to leaving my neo at home |
| 19:38.51 | wurp2 | jmichel: Sorry, I haven't used usb in host mode |
| 19:39.22 | wurp2 | I wonder if it's a power issue (client wants cleaner, higher power for data) |
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| 19:39.42 | wurp2 | Have you tried going through a powered usb host? |
| 19:40.18 | jmichel | You mean if I connect a usb hub to the phone? |
| 19:42.05 | jmichel | Because currently I have a 5V power supply that powers the phone and the device that is connected to the phone |
| 19:42.27 | jmichel | wurp2: But do you think a USB hud could be better ? |
| 19:42.43 | jmichel | I mean hub |
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| 19:45.36 | jmichel | anrp: I did the three-headed cable as explained in http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_USB_host to use a USB device with the Moko |
| 19:46.05 | jmichel | anrp: but the device is not working as expected |
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| 19:46.30 | anrp | actually |
| 19:46.39 | anrp | losing many bytes -> maybe the differential pair got damaged |
| 19:46.46 | anrp | in your cable |
| 19:49.04 | anrp | also if the differential pair gets swapped by accident it won't work but will spew errors about device not accepting address |
| 19:49.05 | jmichel | It is true that I didn't try other cables... but the device is working on my PC with its cable and the Moko is able to connect to my pc also with its cable and the USB networking works flawlessly |
| 19:49.48 | anrp | a clue to a swapped pair is that a low speed device will show up in the kernel log as full speed and vice versa |
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| 19:50.31 | jmichel | anrp: My problem is that the USB communication is good for some seconds then it starts to loose data |
| 19:50.34 | anrp | oh |
| 19:50.37 | anrp | mm that is different ~_~ |
| 19:50.53 | jmichel | lsusb shows the right device |
| 19:50.57 | anrp | maybe the usb gadget isn't disabling properly |
| 19:51.01 | anrp | and fighting with it |
| 19:51.01 | anrp | ? |
| 19:51.41 | jmichel | anrp: Is usb gadget the protocol used to set the Moko as a USB device? |
| 19:51.54 | wurp2 | jmichel: I would think that if you can get clear communication to a powered hub, and the device plugged into the hub works well on a normal pc, then the device would work well on the neo... |
| 19:51.58 | wurp2 | software issues aside |
| 19:53.01 | wurp2 | In general I would think a powered usb hub is a cleaner solution for using the neo as a usb host... |
| 19:53.32 | anrp | usb gadget is the kernel driver that makes the neo work as a usb device instead of host |
| 19:53.44 | wurp2 | But I don't have much of a clue either. I just know you can buy out-of-the-box functional powered usb hubs, and I have used them with other unpowered usb host devices w/o a problem |
| 19:54.15 | wurp2 | yeah, I meant the powered hub is cleaner than the spliced 3 cable connector |
| 19:55.31 | wurp2 | The fact that it works well to start and then stops working makes me question if it might be a timing issue in the low level usb software |
| 19:55.45 | wurp2 | maybe something a little off on the device, and not enough tolerance on the neo side |
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| 20:12.52 | SpeedEvil | powered usb hub may not work on unpowered hosts |
| 20:13.37 | SpeedEvil | the usb hub does not recognise the host at all if there is no power |
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| 20:19.35 | jmichel | SpeedEvil: I don't have any hub for now but I will try it ASAP |
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| 20:27.09 | SpeedEvil | I've tried it - in many cases it doesn't work at all. |
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| 20:27.22 | SpeedEvil | In some cases the hub only needs power whern it's plugged in |
| 20:27.35 | jmichel | SpeedEvil: thanks for the info |
| 20:27.58 | SpeedEvil | For example, the belkin tetrahub won't talk to an unpowered host |
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| 21:09.27 | krau | what is the correct way to control calls? I am testing the gsmd and libgsmd-tool but is not working, the log is here: http://pastebin.com/m58f3eace Can someone help me? |
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| 23:16.20 | wurp2 | Does anyone know if there are docs on the neo games? |
| 23:16.38 | wurp2 | I mean, I could search for them all individually, but it would be nice to get 'em from one place if such a place exists |
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