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| 01:56.50 | KrisAbsinthe | Lunar eclipse in North America |
| 01:59.02 | SpeedEvil | How many moons do you think there are? |
| 01:59.36 | SpeedEvil | If you can see the moon, and there's a lunar eclipse, you see the same as anyone on earth |
| 01:59.50 | SpeedEvil | not the same as solar eclipses. |
| 01:59.52 | Tronic | Lunar eclipse in Finland as well, but I think that the clouds block it, anyway. |
| 02:00.04 | SpeedEvil | Same in scotland. |
| 02:00.30 | ewon | too cloudy to see it here in SoCal :( |
| 02:00.38 | Tronic | I wonder what the fuzz about lunar eclipses is. You almost get one every month, anyway... |
| 02:00.50 | SpeedEvil | It's one every several years at minimum |
| 02:01.02 | SpeedEvil | next one visible in UK is IIRC 2012 |
| 02:01.18 | SpeedEvil | almost, yes. |
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| 02:07.02 | Kero | only a little bit cloudy here. |
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| 02:18.48 | KrisAbsinthe | SpeedEbil: I didnt know that. Thanks for enlightening me;) |
| 02:23.16 | raster | install ipk... install! |
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| 03:30.18 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03werner * r4088 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (gta02-core.patch gta02-power_control.patch series): |
| 03:30.18 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Moved changes to arch/arm/plat-s3c24xx/neo1973_pm_bt.c and |
| 03:30.18 | CIA-23 | openmoko: arch/arm/plat-s3c24xx/neo1973_pm_gsm.c from the core of ugliness |
| 03:30.18 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (gta02-core.patch) to a new patch gta02-power_control.patch, |
| 03:30.18 | CIA-23 | openmoko: mirroring gta01-power_control.patch |
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| 04:04.21 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03werner * r4089 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta02-power_control.patch: |
| 04:04.21 | CIA-23 | openmoko: First part of suspend-prelim2.bin by Matt Hsu, with some adaptations. |
| 04:04.21 | CIA-23 | openmoko: (The system can get into suspend when gsmd starts up.) |
| 04:04.21 | CIA-23 | openmoko: arch/arm/plat-s3c24xx/neo1973_pm_gsm.c (gta01_gsm_suspend, gta01_gsm_resume): |
| 04:04.21 | CIA-23 | openmoko: set GTA02_GPIO_nDL_GSM during suspend (if on GTA02) |
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| 04:05.30 | jeffdameth | hi. i'm trying to get a buildchain for bb files. can someone recommend a tutorial for this? |
| 04:07.01 | jeffdameth | the tutorial from wiki.openmoko doesnt work since the command mtn --db=OE.mtn pull monotone.openembedded.org org.openembedded.dev says mtn: network error: failed to connect: Connection refused. might this only be a temporarily problem? |
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| 04:15.44 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03werner * r4090 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta01-inputdevice.patch: |
| 04:15.44 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Second part of suspend-prelim2.bin by Matt Hsu: |
| 04:15.44 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Remove AUX key as wake up source [so that we can resume even if the |
| 04:15.44 | CIA-23 | openmoko: NOR has no valid content]. |
| 04:15.44 | CIA-23 | openmoko: gta01-inputdevice.patch: |
| 04:15.46 | CIA-23 | openmoko: - drivers/input/keyboard/neo1973kbd.c (neo1973kbd_probe): add AUX as a wakeup |
| 04:15.50 | CIA-23 | openmoko: interrupt source only if on GTA01 |
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| 04:24.51 | mmontour | jeffdameth: It should only be a temporary problem. You could try monotone.openmoko.org instead. Also, I recommend MokoMakefile as an easy way to get things set up. |
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| 04:40.17 | jeffdameth | mmontour: thanks. this one worked :) |
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| 05:16.01 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4091 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (6 files in 5 dirs): gsmd: get battery status (Sudharshan S) |
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| 05:36.12 | jeffdameth | hmm, bitbake openmoko-devel-image does call git ls-remote git://anongit.freedesktop.org/git/xcb which does not work because The remote end hung up unexpectedly |
| 05:36.43 | jeffdameth | does somebody know how to circument to fetch the xcb? |
| 05:37.02 | jeffdameth | *circumvent |
| 05:39.30 | jeffdameth | this same error appears for any package i try to build |
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| 05:54.05 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03werner * r4092 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta02-power_control.patch: (log message trimmed) |
| 05:54.05 | CIA-23 | openmoko: gta02-pm-gps.patch by Willie Chen |
| 05:54.05 | CIA-23 | openmoko: This is GPS driver for GTA02. It deals with power on/off GPS module. |
| 05:54.05 | CIA-23 | openmoko: The GPS data can be generated through UART1. |
| 05:54.05 | CIA-23 | openmoko: gta02-power_control.patch: |
| 05:54.07 | CIA-23 | openmoko: - arch/arm/plat-s3c24xx/neo1973_pm_gps.c (gps_pwron_set, gps_pwron_get, |
| 05:54.11 | CIA-23 | openmoko: gta01_pm_gps_suspend, gta01_pm_gps_resume, gta01_pm_gps_probe, |
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| 06:07.43 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03werner * r4093 10/developers/werner/bin/ (kern4 layout4 uboot4): Rearranged scripts to handle different screen sizes. |
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| 06:18.12 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03werner * r4094 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-gta02.patch: (log message trimmed) |
| 06:18.12 | CIA-23 | openmoko: uboot-pcf50633-default-curr-lim-1A.patch |
| 06:18.12 | CIA-23 | openmoko: From: Andy Green <andy@openmoko.com> |
| 06:18.12 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 1) Stop PMU killing us if we don't have a battery in (by setting default |
| 06:18.12 | CIA-23 | openmoko: current limit to 1A) |
| 06:18.14 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 2) Detect charger type using PMU ADC |
| 06:18.18 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 3) Configure PMU current limit for discovered charger type |
| 06:27.08 | jeffdameth | i try to fix the t2 build for the neo. is there a list in which order the patches should be applyed ? since 'series' seems not to be correct for 2.6.24.x |
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| 06:49.59 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03john_lee * r4095 10/trunk/src/host/openembedded/site.conf: |
| 06:49.59 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Don't use SOURCEFORGE_MIRROR because it causes problems in other |
| 06:49.59 | CIA-23 | openmoko: locations of the world such as OM Taipei office. |
| 06:50.00 | CIA-23 | openmoko: The default value of SOURCEFORGE_MIRROR in bitbake.conf should be fine |
| 06:50.00 | CIA-23 | openmoko: and people can always set their own in local.conf. |
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| 07:42.37 | holycow | hello my fellow mokomonkeys |
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| 07:58.39 | holycow | lol |
| 08:04.15 | blindcoder | moin |
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| 08:17.24 | ScaredyCat | it oe org still offline ? |
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| 08:21.27 | XorA | ScaredyCat: seems to be online here |
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| 08:24.17 | ScaredyCat | hrrm |
| 08:24.41 | ScaredyCat | oh... it might just be semi-concious |
| 08:27.30 | ScaredyCat | ok, it's just very slow right now... |
| 08:29.12 | ScaredyCat | seems like there were no updates either... :( still broken for builds.... libkoto.. |
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| 08:36.47 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03werner * r4096 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/s3c_mci.patch: (log message trimmed) |
| 08:36.47 | CIA-23 | openmoko: http://moko.mwester.net/s3cmci_diff_from_svn4082.patch by Mike Westerhof |
| 08:36.47 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Changing the structure of the loops slightly: "while |
| 08:36.47 | CIA-23 | openmoko: ((condition1) && fifo--)" is a bad idea if you need to ensure that fifo |
| 08:36.47 | CIA-23 | openmoko: doesn't go below zero when the loop exits (follow the code with the case |
| 08:36.50 | CIA-23 | openmoko: where we have an unaligned buffer, and need to read or write 1 byte). |
| 08:36.52 | CIA-23 | openmoko: s3c_mci.patch: |
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| 09:10.43 | ClimDan | Cool Dating Club site ===> new-datingclub eu |
| 09:13.32 | cjb_ie | so they don't get identified by spam bot bots? :) |
| 09:13.55 | raster | XorA: of course you had to go check the site :) |
| 09:14.14 | XorA | raster: I cant check the site, no link |
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| 09:14.55 | raster | who knows |
| 09:14.56 | raster | it may work |
| 09:14.57 | raster | :) |
| 09:15.26 | cjb_ie | well i'm guessing all you need do is change the space to a dot... |
| 09:16.05 | XorA | cjb_ie: I bet 99% of blind link clickers wont do that |
| 09:16.17 | XorA | cjb_ie: well at least the spammers are putting themselves out of business |
| 09:16.53 | XorA | no session id either, so they cant claim their money on success |
| 09:17.21 | cjb_ie | yup, changing space to dot does it. and the default age range searching for partner is 15-35... |
| 09:17.31 | cjb_ie | that seems a bit dodge |
| 09:17.51 | XorA | cjb_ie: thats gonna get you a session in the slammer here in the uk |
| 09:17.58 | raster | cjb_ie: who knows |
| 09:18.00 | XorA | cjb_ie: even hitting ok on that would be an offence |
| 09:18.03 | raster | 5 may be legal in your country |
| 09:18.05 | raster | err |
| 09:18.06 | raster | 15 |
| 09:18.13 | raster | 5 would be a bit more disturbing yet |
| 09:18.13 | raster | :) |
| 09:24.07 | emdete | hi raster |
| 09:26.37 | raster | emdete: ho ho |
| 09:26.37 | raster | :) |
| 09:26.55 | emdete | remember our discussion months ago about performance of X11? i startet using e* libs some weeks ago with great success. my wishes how to animate my main-screen work fine even on the gta1! |
| 09:27.11 | emdete | so i just wanted to tell you: thanks, sry, you where right ;) |
| 09:29.53 | raster | emdete: hehehehehheeh excellent to hear! |
| 09:30.04 | emdete | are you at fosdem? |
| 09:30.13 | raster | emdete: and another person to learn the universal truth ... "raster is always wright" |
| 09:30.20 | raster | (except when he is not) |
| 09:30.26 | emdete | :D |
| 09:30.32 | raster | hehehe |
| 09:30.35 | raster | nah - not going. |
| 09:30.48 | raster | mickey, xora, john, holger are there i think |
| 09:30.57 | raster | i'm doing a brazil jaunt in a few weeks instead |
| 09:30.57 | emdete | that's sad, i could show you the performance ;) |
| 09:31.10 | raster | take a video - with your digital camera |
| 09:31.15 | XorA | raster: you off to bossa? |
| 09:31.16 | raster | put it on youporn |
| 09:31.18 | raster | err youtube |
| 09:31.19 | raster | i mean |
| 09:31.20 | raster | :) |
| 09:31.22 | emdete | :D |
| 09:31.22 | raster | XorA: yeah. |
| 09:31.34 | raster | XorA: doing the brazil thing. i will get a vkbd done when in .br |
| 09:31.44 | emdete | i can't do videos. have no cam and can't use istanbul on the device too |
| 09:32.02 | raster | XorA: bossa is sprinign for this one - thus its just a question of where i'm working |
| 09:32.13 | raster | emdete: bugger :( |
| 09:32.20 | raster | emdete: show will - he will also be there |
| 09:33.08 | XorA | emdete: come via OE stand, chances are someone will have video :-) |
| 09:33.31 | emdete | fine... |
| 09:34.07 | rwhitby | ScaredyCat: svn.nslu2-linux.org seems to be working here |
| 09:34.42 | emdete | raster: i found a strange behavior with TEXTBOX - asked that yesterday in #edevel already. if a word is to long for a line it is not broken (with word-wrap) and a additional empty line is made below. |
| 09:34.47 | ScaredyCat | yeah.. it's alive here... but it seems to vanish from dns occasionally... |
| 09:35.12 | raster | emdete: oh yeah - that is a slight problem with the layout code there |
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| 09:36.39 | emdete | raster: fixable? doesn't look nice for my headers. those are in big font and words tend to be to long. so you cant either read the word nor does the next line fit in the entry of a listbox |
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| 09:39.04 | raster | it is fixable |
| 09:39.23 | raster | i'm not big on text formatting |
| 09:39.29 | raster | i.e - not something i have spent a lot of time on before |
| 09:39.43 | raster | i have mostly done a lot of image processing and pixel-pushing |
| 09:39.48 | xzcvczx | nnpiggy: ping |
| 09:39.49 | raster | so i can do that well and fast |
| 09:39.54 | raster | but text formatting is new to me |
| 09:40.52 | emdete | to do it right it's difficult. for me a hard cut somewhere it the word would be sufficient |
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| 09:43.08 | raster | emdete: sure - i just need to fall back to char wrap is word wrsap fails and theres only 1 word on the line |
| 09:43.13 | raster | that case right now just isnt handled |
| 09:43.27 | emdete | in the end you need a callback for hyphenation... |
| 09:43.44 | raster | oooh that is yet another matter too |
| 09:44.03 | raster | i was slightly mroe concerned with not handling right-to-left and mixed right-to-left and left-to-right layout |
| 09:44.11 | emdete | and: if a word is to long for that line you should put a part of it in the previos line if there is much space left |
| 09:44.46 | emdete | :D wow, yes, it's always getting more complicated than expected ;) |
| 09:45.19 | emdete | ah, another question about edje: is it true that there is some automatic for utf-8 / iso encoding detection? |
| 09:46.59 | raster | errrr |
| 09:47.13 | raster | as sich edje itself isnt really intended to transport text content - tho it can |
| 09:47.15 | raster | but its utf8 |
| 09:47.19 | raster | assumed utf8 |
| 09:47.26 | raster | nothing else is suppoted |
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| 09:48.16 | emdete | here you arn't right :D if you put iso8859-15 in it it just works too ;) |
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| 09:52.38 | raster | :) |
| 09:53.05 | raster | i think that is a subset of utf8 |
| 09:53.10 | raster | but it assumes/expects utf8 |
| 09:53.12 | raster | everything does |
| 09:53.25 | raster | edje has no clue about text encoding |
| 09:53.25 | emdete | no, it's not |
| 09:53.30 | raster | it doesnt know |
| 09:53.33 | mjr | it isn't |
| 09:53.35 | emdete | hm... why does it work than? |
| 09:53.38 | raster | it just parses .edc's as if they were ascii |
| 09:53.39 | H264 | still set for march sometime? |
| 09:53.52 | raster | evas decodes all strings as utf8 |
| 09:54.00 | raster | it has no encoding support |
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| 09:54.17 | raster | beyond utf8 - it then decodes, converts to codepoint and looks up in the font(set) |
| 09:54.27 | H264 | or is the release data pushed back again? |
| 09:54.35 | mjr | some higher level things may assume invalid utf-8 to be something else, like latin-1, which is mostly the same as latin-9 |
| 09:54.54 | H264 | *date |
| 09:55.07 | emdete | raster: hm, strange. in utf-8 all 8-bit bytes are at least 2-byte chars... |
| 09:55.12 | raster | as such u are probably just plain lucky something worked and was utf8-compatible |
| 09:55.18 | raster | and yes |
| 09:55.26 | raster | anything > 7 bits will becom multi-byte |
| 09:55.38 | raster | u may just have a bi-product of lenient utf8 decoding |
| 09:55.52 | raster | as it is not hyper-strict |
| 09:55.55 | emdete | no, e code 164 (the euro in iso8859-15) isn't a valid ut-8 char |
| 09:55.57 | raster | it just happened to work |
| 09:56.07 | raster | its not |
| 09:56.17 | emdete | what is not? |
| 09:56.22 | raster | BUT try put 2 of them together |
| 09:56.25 | raster | and see if it still orks |
| 09:56.29 | raster | :) |
| 09:56.29 | ScaredyCat | CM: ping |
| 09:56.41 | emdete | so the utf-8 decoder code may be broken? |
| 09:56.51 | emdete | or silently ignores errors? |
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| 09:58.54 | raster | it is not broken |
| 09:58.55 | raster | its lenient |
| 09:58.59 | raster | yes - it silently ignores errors |
| 09:59.07 | raster | as the msb is set in the eruo sign |
| 09:59.21 | raster | if it was valid utf8 the next char would ALSO have the msb set |
| 09:59.22 | raster | it doesnt |
| 09:59.31 | raster | so the decoder will abort decoding as utf8 |
| 09:59.46 | raster | from memory it will just drop back and go "oh well- i'll take the byte value as-is" |
| 10:00.16 | emdete | hm,... bad idea. so thinks work and break later... |
| 10:00.28 | emdete | and: yes, 2euro don't work |
| 10:00.31 | mjr | and then the thing that takes the byte apparently happens to by chance display it correctly for emdete |
| 10:01.05 | raster | emdete: as 2 euros both have upper bit set - but will then decode to a different unicode point if decoded as utf8 |
| 10:01.14 | emdete | yes, understand |
| 10:01.21 | raster | emdete: its not bad being lenient - struct utf8 is not enforced |
| 10:01.24 | raster | but its the "spec" |
| 10:01.30 | raster | ONLY utf8 is guaranteed to work |
| 10:01.33 | raster | anything else is pure luck |
| 10:01.43 | mjr | I don't think two latin-9 euros don't actually encode any unicode character in utf-8 |
| 10:01.51 | mjr | minus double negatives |
| 10:02.06 | raster | mjr: i'd have to check |
| 10:02.08 | emdete | i don't like lenient behavior. i like 'fail-early' bedder |
| 10:02.37 | mjr | just checked, it doesn't |
| 10:03.11 | mjr | utf-8 is rather finicky about what octets can follow what |
| 10:03.19 | mjr | which is a good thing |
| 10:03.43 | cjb_ie | yup. that's to avoid values sneaking past string comparisons |
| 10:03.51 | cjb_ie | s/string// |
| 10:04.39 | raster | utf8 is nice |
| 10:04.48 | raster | how its so nicely backwards-compatible with ascii |
| 10:04.53 | raster | and u just dont need to care |
| 10:05.19 | mjr | it is quite pretty |
| 10:07.41 | raster | thatws why i chose it as my one and only encoding |
| 10:07.53 | raster | i didnt want to bother with the rest |
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| 10:11.54 | emdete | ...anyway i would prefere if evas would fail to decode a single-7bitset-byte |
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| 10:41.04 | emdete | raster: in edje: can i create a group and use that as part in another group? |
| 10:41.13 | raster | aaah no |
| 10:41.15 | raster | not directly |
| 10:41.20 | raster | u'd need to create in code and swallow |
| 10:41.22 | emdete | so, code required...? |
| 10:41.26 | raster | eventually i plan to add that |
| 10:41.30 | raster | and containers etc. |
| 10:41.34 | emdete | okay. is that the way to do so? |
| 10:42.11 | emdete | i have a string entry and have 2 different pads below, one with nums only, the other with num&chars |
| 10:43.36 | raster | aaah and u want to recycle |
| 10:43.43 | raster | well the way u do it now would be with #define macros |
| 10:43.52 | raster | and u'd make a macro to set up a set of things |
| 10:43.58 | raster | like c/c++ |
| 10:44.13 | raster | it passes all .edc's through the c pre-processor |
| 10:44.26 | emdete | hm... but then all relative/offset go with the whole group, right? |
| 10:44.37 | raster | yes |
| 10:44.46 | raster | but u can make them relative to an invisible rectangle part |
| 10:44.48 | raster | keep it invisible |
| 10:44.50 | emdete | swallow looks better to me... |
| 10:44.59 | raster | and then in the macro just have a macro parameer be the part its relative to |
| 10:45.15 | raster | gnerally swallow is the bit where u want code-controlled content to slide in |
| 10:45.18 | raster | either form other edjes |
| 10:45.23 | emdete | ...so /all/ relative/offset are rel to that rect? |
| 10:45.25 | raster | or widgets/layout smart objects |
| 10:45.27 | raster | etc. |
| 10:45.40 | raster | u dont always want to do eerything in edje |
| 10:45.45 | raster | u want to do some layotu in code |
| 10:45.47 | raster | some in edje |
| 10:48.15 | emdete | ...so /all/ relative/offset are rel to that invisible rectangle part? |
| 10:48.31 | ubuntufreak | How do i install and run the openmoko under Ubuntu 7.10 |
| 10:48.52 | zash | try qemu |
| 10:49.05 | zash | there is instructions on the wiki |
| 10:49.21 | zash | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Automatic_emulation_in_Ubuntu |
| 10:49.44 | raster | emdete: well if u make it relatev {] to: "invisible-part-name"; .... } |
| 10:49.45 | raster | :) |
| 10:50.31 | emdete | fine... |
| 10:51.58 | raster | err |
| 10:52.13 | raster | rel1 { to: "name"; .... } |
| 10:52.16 | raster | and rel2 as well |
| 10:52.16 | raster | ... |
| 10:52.33 | emdete | ah, okay... np, it's a macro anyway ;) |
| 10:52.55 | raster | yup |
| 10:52.58 | raster | so |
| 10:53.27 | raster | #define MACRO(relpart, ......) ..... rel1 { to: relpart; ..... } |
| 10:53.29 | raster | u get the idea |
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| 10:54.04 | emdete | yes. thnx! |
| 10:54.15 | raster | :) |
| 10:55.04 | emdete | another problem where i would like to get an idea. i would like to show larger textblocks (larger than screen) and scroll in it. how would you do that? |
| 10:56.53 | raster | oooh |
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| 10:57.06 | raster | i actually have smart objects for that |
| 10:57.08 | raster | e17 has them |
| 10:57.11 | raster | scrollframe for example |
| 10:57.18 | raster | its a generic smart scroller widget object |
| 10:57.22 | emdete | i don't need scroll-bars.. btw |
| 10:57.27 | raster | stick either a dumb object in it and it will be scrollable |
| 10:57.40 | raster | or it cans croll using a pan api |
| 10:57.56 | raster | (where the object knows how to scroll itself using callbacks) |
| 10:58.03 | emdete | hm... sounds promising. avaiable in py-binding? |
| 10:58.03 | raster | scrollbars are only part of the theme design |
| 10:58.12 | raster | so the .edj design used can just not have them |
| 10:58.18 | raster | hmm no not there |
| 10:58.19 | raster | its c |
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| 10:58.51 | emdete | whats the name of it? scrollframe? |
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| 10:59.35 | raster | yup |
| 10:59.38 | raster | in e17 src |
| 10:59.40 | raster | src/bin |
| 10:59.44 | raster | e_scrollframe.[ch] |
| 10:59.54 | ScaredyCat | yoink! |
| 11:00.02 | raster | it relies only in e's theme code as far as finding the .edj file and loading the group from it |
| 11:00.13 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4098 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/ (6 files): gsmd: fix gcc warning (Erin Yueh) |
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| 11:00.46 | emdete | will take a look on that... thnx |
| 11:01.42 | raster | e17 has a mountain of useful code using efl to steal |
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| 11:17.02 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03werner * r4099 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/ (patches/build-kludge.patch patches/series scripts/build): |
| 11:17.02 | CIA-23 | openmoko: scripts/build: updated to GIT_HEAD 928d1d77f8623c120d8763e20e1ca58df9c5c4c6, |
| 11:17.03 | CIA-23 | openmoko: SVN_REV 4097 |
| 11:17.03 | CIA-23 | openmoko: patches/build-kludge.patch, patches/series: removed build-kludge.patch,, since |
| 11:17.03 | CIA-23 | openmoko: current GIT doesn't have this bug anymore |
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| 11:21.15 | mickeyl | raster: don't you think it would be reuse friendlier if all those E widgets would be useful without E as a WM? |
| 11:21.25 | mickeyl | good morning folks, btw. |
| 11:22.05 | CVirus | good morning mickeyl |
| 11:22.28 | raster | mickeyl: yup |
| 11:22.40 | raster | mickeyl: though as such thats what wtk/ewl are for |
| 11:22.51 | raster | but as such i htink theres a big use for stand-alone "widgets" |
| 11:23.01 | mickeyl | exactly |
| 11:23.01 | raster | like "all i want is a scroller widget - that scrolls some object" |
| 11:23.03 | raster | and nothing else |
| 11:23.12 | mickeyl | etk and ewl are overkill for what some people are after |
| 11:23.13 | mickeyl | yep |
| 11:23.17 | raster | or "i just want a box layout object - thats it. nothing else" |
| 11:23.20 | mickeyl | *nod* |
| 11:23.34 | raster | right now e17 is a great place for these things to be sorted out/debugged |
| 11:24.01 | raster | they cna be stripepd out later into sone smart object library for those 1-off useful widget-like objects u want |
| 11:24.09 | mickeyl | ok, sounds like a plan |
| 11:24.10 | raster | then again a chunk of them i am seriously thinking of adding to edje |
| 11:24.16 | raster | like box/table etc. |
| 11:24.16 | mickeyl | yeeeah! |
| 11:24.18 | mickeyl | into edje |
| 11:24.33 | raster | edje itself has a lot of room to expand |
| 11:24.44 | raster | i had on the list for a long time to have container layout options |
| 11:25.07 | mickeyl | right. i think that's very important for our stuff. We need to get you time to do that |
| 11:25.22 | raster | unlikely to happen soon |
| 11:25.32 | raster | got enough to do to keep me busy for ages |
| 11:25.34 | mickeyl | well, priorities can be changed :) |
| 11:25.43 | mickeyl | we need to talk about our strategy soon anyways |
| 11:25.53 | raster | and frankly - i want to get this stuff done first |
| 11:26.00 | raster | as its the core of the sexy-ui launcher etc. stuff |
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| 11:26.09 | raster | without it u have a pretty bland gui |
| 11:26.10 | raster | :) |
| 11:26.16 | mickeyl | *nod*. lets see how far you are when we meet @ bossa |
| 11:26.24 | raster | yeah |
| 11:26.30 | mickeyl | i really want to get us on the same page wrt. midterm software |
| 11:26.31 | raster | i hope to actually show off stuff there |
| 11:26.33 | mickeyl | platform, that is |
| 11:26.39 | raster | also key virtual keyboard done post-bossa |
| 11:26.54 | raster | make it configurable in cfg files/profiles |
| 11:27.17 | raster | so no more worries about "the keyboard doesnt have a / key for the terminal" |
| 11:27.26 | raster | just choose the "i'm a nerd hacker" keyboard layout |
| 11:27.36 | raster | or the default "i just want to do english sms crap" |
| 11:27.40 | raster | or whatever |
| 11:27.41 | raster | :) |
| 11:27.58 | raster | i need to add dictionary auto-guessing |
| 11:28.06 | ScaredyCat | mmm ... isnt "i'm a nerd hacker" just a standard qwerty |
| 11:28.10 | mickeyl | ok, that means I can work 100% on non UI infrastructure for the next 2 months |
| 11:28.32 | raster | u can have multiple custom correction dictionaries |
| 11:28.36 | ScaredyCat | does this mean we'll need to rebuild all our apps? |
| 11:28.41 | raster | eg for english its seeded from eglish text sources |
| 11:28.54 | raster | and for terminal mode - its seeded from everything found in$PATH |
| 11:28.55 | raster | :) |
| 11:29.08 | ScaredyCat | s/rebuild/rewrite/ |
| 11:29.16 | raster | ScaredyCat: no |
| 11:29.18 | raster | standard x apps |
| 11:29.20 | raster | input as normal |
| 11:29.33 | ScaredyCat | no, I mean UI type stuff? |
| 11:29.37 | raster | apps dont need to know or care |
| 11:29.41 | raster | nup |
| 11:29.45 | raster | do whatever tickles your fancy |
| 11:29.47 | ScaredyCat | are you ditching gtk .. |
| 11:29.48 | ScaredyCat | ? |
| 11:29.52 | raster | gtk will stay on |
| 11:29.55 | raster | i wont be using it |
| 11:30.01 | raster | but it will be supported and work |
| 11:30.28 | ScaredyCat | mmm.... |
| 11:31.06 | raster | just because u use kde - do u need to port to qt? |
| 11:31.08 | raster | no |
| 11:31.16 | raster | just because u use gnome do u need to port to gtk from qt? |
| 11:31.25 | raster | because u use fluxbox does it mean everything has to b done in xlib? :) |
| 11:31.27 | raster | same thing |
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| 11:31.48 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03werner * r4100 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/uboot-gta02.patch: |
| 11:31.48 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Preparing for GTA02v6. |
| 11:31.48 | CIA-23 | openmoko: uboot-gta02.patch: |
| 11:31.48 | CIA-23 | openmoko: - board/neo1973/gta02/split_by_variant.sh: added gta02v6_config |
| 11:31.48 | CIA-23 | openmoko: - board/neo1973/gta02/split_by_variant.sh: bumped default from GTA02v3 to |
| 11:31.49 | CIA-23 | openmoko: GTA02v5 |
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| 11:33.00 | mickeyl | ScaredyCat: openmoko will become more UI toolkit agnostic. |
| 11:33.17 | mickeyl | with the focus on middleware services and just some great core apps |
| 11:33.27 | mickeyl | at least that's how i see it |
| 11:34.26 | ScaredyCat | k, but are we going to have multiple ui toolkits installed? |
| 11:34.29 | jeffdamet1 | hi. does uboot1.2.0-moko9-r8 might work with boot from sd? |
| 11:34.32 | mickeyl | yes |
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| 11:34.58 | mickeyl | this will be a bit of a problem in gta01, but nothing we can't solve with an extra SD |
| 11:35.16 | jeffdamet1 | i guess that 'yes' was not for me :) |
| 11:35.33 | raster | ScaredyCat: yup. right now where we are heading we will have qtopia/qt, gtk and efl by default |
| 11:35.43 | mickeyl | jeffdamet1: no idea actually, if you have a debug board... just try |
| 11:35.43 | raster | probably sdl too most likly as its used for games a lot |
| 11:36.12 | ScaredyCat | hrrm... |
| 11:37.59 | mickeyl | heh |
| 11:38.10 | raster | uh oh |
| 11:38.16 | raster | major mind melt |
| 11:38.34 | raster | "multiple toolkiits.. noo..but.. they can't do that! it's.... just... not.... done!" |
| 11:38.39 | raster | *boom* |
| 11:38.43 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 11:39.30 | ScaredyCat | well, no.. it's just more that it's wasteful |
| 11:39.39 | mickeyl | that's the Linux way of life... although i hope there will be one to rule them all, it's probably not going to happen. Desktop has shown us that |
| 11:39.49 | raster | u ar efree to remove the pkgs for the toolkits u dont want |
| 11:40.06 | raster | and frankly - frlash is cheap |
| 11:40.08 | raster | flash |
| 11:40.10 | raster | these days |
| 11:40.23 | raster | the extra cost of shipping 2 or 3 toolkits is almost nothing |
| 11:40.32 | raster | on the business side |
| 11:40.34 | ScaredyCat | yes, but this isn't a desktop, unless the 02 is going to have amore flash than originally stated.. |
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| 11:41.10 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4101 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/src/gsmd/usock.c: gsmd: get the operator list 2nd try (Paulius Zaleckas) |
| 11:41.10 | raster | the opportunity cost of simply saying "we do gtk only" for example is probably a greater loss than tyhe cost of the flash to go shipping qt/qtopia and then get all the kde/qt/qtopia apps available to us too |
| 11:41.18 | raster | its got 256m |
| 11:41.24 | raster | and theres plenty of it |
| 11:43.34 | CVirus | I'd love to see EFL on the FreeRunner |
| 11:43.44 | raster | as such i am using 77.6m UNCOMPRESSEd of my 256m flash |
| 11:43.53 | raster | compressed thats smaller |
| 11:44.09 | raster | hmm wait |
| 11:44.16 | raster | i thought we were doing 256m flash? |
| 11:44.23 | raster | i now see i have 128m |
| 11:45.22 | raster | i could have sworn... |
| 11:45.41 | raster | CVirus: going on :) |
| 11:46.40 | CVirus | sounds cool :-) |
| 11:48.32 | spyre | mickeyl: hi, have you checked your email today? :) |
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| 11:49.47 | raster | yes... |
| 11:49.54 | raster | my previous gta02 has 256m |
| 11:49.56 | raster | hmmm |
| 11:51.29 | mickeyl | spyre: yes, i did. i'll reply to you soon |
| 11:51.33 | mickeyl | spyre: thanks |
| 11:51.52 | spyre | mickeyl: ok, np |
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| 12:11.54 | raster | aaah just a bad partition table |
| 12:11.57 | raster | yes |
| 12:11.59 | raster | 256m still |
| 12:12.07 | raster | plenty of room to kill |
| 12:12.13 | raster | hell it'd work just fine in 128m |
| 12:12.20 | mjr | good, I was already wondering if it had been downspecced... |
| 12:12.47 | raster | we can cram on several toolkits and lots of apps and god knows what else |
| 12:12.51 | mjr | not that it matters much for me, really; as long as the base system fits, got my 8 gig microsd |
| 12:13.08 | raster | i'm wasting space too with several MB worth of themes and wallpapers we wont be using |
| 12:13.25 | raster | i also have 2 wm's instaled and lots of duplicate stuff |
| 12:13.40 | raster | there is enogh room to b a bit out-there |
| 12:13.45 | raster | in terms of supporting things |
| 12:14.15 | raster | there will be enough flahs for base system plus a bevy of extra apps |
| 12:14.18 | raster | plus a chunk of data |
| 12:14.22 | raster | not your mp3 collection |
| 12:14.39 | raster | but enough for things like caches etc. for online data and what-not |
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| 12:15.04 | mjr | not for a decent osm tile cache ;) |
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| 12:17.53 | raster | mjr: depends whats decent |
| 12:18.00 | raster | but there will be room for somewhat of a cache |
| 12:19.04 | mjr | well yeah |
| 12:19.27 | mjr | anyway, that's more what the microsds are for |
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| 12:24.27 | raster | yeah |
| 12:24.35 | raster | but for a small usable cache its ok |
| 12:24.41 | raster | enough for some wallpapers |
| 12:24.43 | raster | themes |
| 12:24.52 | raster | ringtones as mp3/ogg whatever |
| 12:27.24 | CVirus | is there any chance that the FreeRunner would be available in March ? |
| 12:27.59 | XorA | CVirus: 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% :-D |
| 12:28.07 | CVirus | I see |
| 12:28.46 | CVirus | XorA: how about in April ? |
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| 12:29.13 | XorA | CVirus: I was joking, I actually dont know the schedule, been busy working rather than bothering with hardware stuff |
| 12:29.42 | CVirus | I'm afraid Androids would start showing up while the FreeRunner is not available for sale yet |
| 12:32.06 | raster | nothing to be done |
| 12:32.08 | raster | still not ready for consumers - hardware still being verified for latest hw rev |
| 12:34.30 | zash | hm, speaking of caches |
| 12:34.44 | zash | has anyone tought of something like coda or afs? |
| 12:38.34 | raster | afs... ooooh.... pain |
| 12:38.37 | raster | coda - nfi |
| 12:39.06 | mjr | ...for openmoko? Iiii don't think so |
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| 12:52.20 | emdete | will fic sell the FreeRunner with out consumer-ready sw? |
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| 12:52.38 | zash | yes |
| 12:52.47 | zash | final hardware, beta software |
| 12:53.13 | emdete | cool. i remember that i read someting different some month ago.. good to hear. |
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| 13:50.32 | Mononoke | fosdem started ? |
| 13:53.17 | mickeyl | not yet |
| 13:53.20 | mickeyl | but soon |
| 13:53.24 | mickeyl | saturday |
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| 14:14.55 | Field | does anyone take part at the "embedded world 2008" this month? I didnt find any news about that inside the mailing-lists.. |
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| 14:24.18 | alphaone | Field: I'll be there, but just as a visitor |
| 14:24.24 | alphaone | Morning |
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| 14:26.11 | Field | alphaone: I think I'll be there on Thursday... searching for new partners for my organisation... whole day and running around everywhere.. |
| 14:28.40 | alphaone | Field: Ah, I'll be there Wednesday |
| 14:30.41 | Field | It would be perfect if I (we) could meet someone core-developer with "influance" to the hardware-design ... I definitly need a TPM inside the moko .. Or maybe ARM1176 core.. |
| 14:33.30 | balrog-kun | you could probably make a deal with OpenMoko similar to that of Dash and OpenMoko |
| 14:33.37 | balrog-kun | for a custom device |
| 14:34.04 | mwester | greetings. |
| 14:34.38 | balrog-kun | you're unlikely to be able to change the GTA design significantly :p |
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| 14:56.01 | jeffdamet1 | as which device should the sd card show up on the neo? |
| 14:57.44 | mwester | /dev/mmcblk0 |
| 14:59.20 | jeffdamet1 | hm ok, maybe my kernel is too old then |
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| 14:59.45 | mjr | or too new |
| 15:01.59 | jeffdamet1 | mjr: uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11. do you know a version which works? |
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| 15:07.39 | thomasg__ | jeffdamet1, you should try the newest 2.6.24 |
| 15:07.54 | thomasg__ | according to dean the sd-fix is in |
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| 15:08.50 | mwester | The real sd-fix is not yes in an image; it got applied in the past hours. |
| 15:09.40 | mwester | previous versions appear to work, but actually have a high probability of corrupting the SD card data :( |
| 15:09.43 | thomasg__ | but if you have 2.6.22 it should work. partly I had the problem that the microSD wasn't recognized, and it helped to open the neo take the card out and in again. |
| 15:09.57 | mwester | Yep, 2.6.22 worked great. |
| 15:11.39 | mwester | BTW, http://moko.mwester.net/ has a 2.6.24 kernel that works with the SD card (and has debugging turned off so it works reasonably quickly too). |
| 15:11.53 | jeffdamet1 | thomasg__: hmm ok, i just try the update to 2.4.. all i want is to transfer my t2 rootfs. this will be fun to push 170MB over usb1 :p |
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| 15:17.20 | thomasg__ | I haven't used the internal nand-flash since september. I always copied the files of the tar-snapshot on the SDHC |
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| 15:20.19 | jeffdamet1 | thomasg__: ah now i see for what the tar are. i got a neo only lend and have to put dtn on it for a student project... thought t2 would be easier to manage than bitbake/oe.. but i guess it wasnt :/ |
| 15:20.55 | thomasg__ | gentoo ftw. :) |
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| 15:21.26 | jeffdamet1 | thomasg__: got a gentoo for neo howto somewhere? |
| 15:22.05 | thomasg__ | no, I even haven't tried it by myself. but there are howtos for other devices. it's called gentoo embedded or gentoo gnap |
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| 15:23.31 | thomasg__ | gentoo embedded is using the crosstoolchain for building a "standard" gentoo for the device, gnap is for building a stripped down gentoo without package management for the device |
| 15:23.52 | jeffdamet1 | nah i just started yesterday with a since months unmaintained t2 target for neo.. and must say t2 rocks. simple to learn, setup _and_ fast build system :P |
| 15:24.11 | jeffdamet1 | *+has a |
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| 15:26.37 | thomasg__ | mwester, shouldn't the sd thing be fixed since the build from yesterday ( http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/uImage-2.6.24+svnr4082-r4055-r3-neo1973.bin )? |
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| 15:31.16 | mwester | Alas, no. |
| 15:31.49 | mwester | svn version 4096 minimum. |
| 15:33.41 | thomasg__ | ok, thx |
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| 15:56.45 | apaulsen | someone yesterday said you could force fast charge mode from userspace by echo fast_cccv > chgmode. I can't get this to work |
| 15:58.00 | mwester | echo 'fast_cccv' > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/chgmode |
| 15:58.10 | mwester | (with kernel 2.6.24 on a GTA01) |
| 16:03.10 | apaulsen | mwester-laptop: that isn't working for me |
| 16:03.20 | apaulsen | it stays in "pre" mode |
| 16:04.05 | anrp | did you try unplugging and plugging back in the usb? |
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| 16:04.45 | apaulsen | anrp: what order should I do this? |
| 16:05.14 | anrp | er |
| 16:05.23 | anrp | just unplug the neo and put it back in |
| 16:05.49 | apaulsen | anrp: before or after I do the echo fast_cccv? |
| 16:06.11 | apaulsen | it didn't work either way |
| 16:06.49 | anrp | :/ |
| 16:07.36 | mwester | root@fic-gta01:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/chgmode |
| 16:07.42 | mwester | fast_cccv |
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| 16:09.03 | anrp | ... is your battery full? |
| 16:09.45 | apaulsen | anrp: nearly. If I plug it into my computer, it goes to fast_cccv, but if I plug it into a dumb charger and try to force fast_cccv mode, it stays in 'pre' |
| 16:09.55 | mwester | mine's been plugged in for about two weeks now, so if it isn't full, it'll never get full! :-D |
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| 16:13.26 | apaulsen | I just rebooted and tried again. It stays in 'pre' mode |
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| 16:14.17 | apaulsen | my .24 kernel was fresh this morning |
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| 16:19.00 | apaulsen | does a shut down neo use power or should I pull the battery? |
| 16:21.16 | apaulsen | pulled battery it is then, I've got a plane to catch |
| 16:21.43 | anrp | ;/ always a safe choice |
| 16:21.57 | thomasg | if the shutdown was ok (no errors or problems) it shouldn't use power |
| 16:22.10 | apaulsen | thanks |
| 16:22.35 | thomasg | but if the modem is not shut down correctly it may suck your battery empty in some hours |
| 16:23.10 | apaulsen | so to be safe I could shutdown, then pull the battery for a few seconds and put it back in? |
| 16:23.57 | anrp | i'd just leave it out... no question then |
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| 16:38.55 | PBeck | ahoi :) |
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| 16:50.50 | PBeck | a Marcus Bauer wrote a mail to the mailinglist with the topic mintyboost, is he here? |
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| 17:23.21 | darx | hi would open moko run duke nukem forever? |
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| 17:26.18 | thomasg | darx, would? it already does |
| 17:27.02 | thomasg | but the wii-like controls via the accelerometers don't work really good, needs some work |
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| 17:46.13 | zdanek | greetings all |
| 17:46.44 | zdanek | anybody knows an email to Celtune? |
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| 17:51.29 | Marcel_M | hi zdanek: can i help you? |
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| 17:52.21 | zdanek | hi |
| 17:52.50 | Marcel_M | hi |
| 17:52.50 | zdanek | I have a question about scummvm |
| 17:52.56 | zdanek | it's in ver 9.x |
| 17:53.09 | zdanek | when will it be available in 10 or 11? |
| 17:55.30 | Marcel_M | dunno i've build it with the existing .bb |
| 17:55.53 | zdanek | so it depends whether OE will put out new bb |
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| 18:03.50 | zdanek | Marcel_M: let me thank you for your repository - it's awesome |
| 18:04.00 | zdanek | respect for that work |
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| 18:04.26 | Marcel_M | zdanek: ohh thanks :) |
| 18:04.30 | zdanek | especially for monster image which I'm using with success :D |
| 18:05.03 | zdanek | I have 2GB SD card and lot of space for all packages and experiments |
| 18:05.07 | Marcel_M | zdanek: tx nice to see that they are usefull :) |
| 18:05.11 | zdanek | especially with GPS navigation |
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| 18:05.18 | zdanek | very useful |
| 18:05.39 | zdanek | NAND builds barely fits |
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| 18:06.50 | Marcel_M | hehe |
| 18:08.48 | zdanek | Marcel_M: tell me, is a big problem to build scummvm from raw sources, without proper .bb or to prepare .bb? |
| 18:09.16 | zdanek | I'm draining this topic because there are many improvements in lastest version of scummvm |
| 18:09.28 | zdanek | I have no sound in current ver. |
| 18:09.29 | Marcel_M | i'll try it later to build a 0.11.0 from scummvm |
| 18:09.43 | zdanek | I managed to run it once with sound |
| 18:10.08 | zdanek | could you send me an email with info? |
| 18:11.03 | zdanek | if you would built 0.11 it would be great |
| 18:12.14 | Marcel_M | zdanek: my email is in the 1-NEWS-INFO-WARNING file in the fic-gta01 dir |
| 18:13.26 | zdanek | I was looking for it and didn't see |
| 18:13.36 | zdanek | so I was not focused much |
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| 18:14.08 | Marcel_M | 3rd line ;) |
| 18:14.12 | zdanek | yes |
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| 18:14.16 | zdanek | xD |
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| 18:21.49 | zdanek | anybody has any experience with SDL audio library? especially with SDL_AUDIODRIVER env variable? |
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| 18:38.36 | jeffdamet1 | which patches to u-boot are needed if one only wants to build the mkimage tool? |
| 18:39.51 | balrog-kun | none i believe |
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| 18:40.08 | balrog-kun | on some distros there's even a package that installs mkimage |
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| 18:43.56 | wurp2 | Is there a python dbus ipkg available? |
| 18:44.44 | wurp2 | grep py.*dbus and dbus.*py against the ipkg list output doesn't indicate anything |
| 18:44.50 | wurp2 | for the default repository list, anyway |
| 18:46.01 | wurp2 | ajbrun: And a real one this time; not a link to a three line email on the community list :-) |
| 18:46.14 | ajbrun | i thought V5 was the latest? |
| 18:46.20 | wurp2 | thomasg: v6? I never heard that they found a PCB problem with v5? |
| 18:46.22 | thomasg | ajbrun, yeah, seems it's not |
| 18:46.40 | ajbrun | got info on that thomasg |
| 18:46.42 | ajbrun | ? |
| 18:46.43 | wurp2 | agh, so much for any hope of March |
| 18:46.57 | thomasg | http://cia.vc/stats/project/openmoko/.message/2b922d |
| 18:47.18 | wurp2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.28 | wurp2 | suddenly all of 10 users simultaneously hit that URL |
| 18:47.37 | ajbrun | yeah - i noticed :p |
| 18:47.40 | inwoo | ehh |
| 18:48.29 | haakeyar | You can also have a look at the GTA02 Power Glitch Reason Found-thread in the kernel list. |
| 18:49.09 | ajbrun | does it say what issues were found with V5? |
| 18:49.55 | haakeyar | http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-February/001127.html |
| 18:51.40 | wurp2 | OK, that sounds very good |
| 18:51.57 | wurp2 | really nothing wrong with v5, that's what they're releasing, but they have an improvement for future runs |
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| 18:52.36 | Mousey | wow, there's an #openmoko channel!! |
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| 18:53.58 | kdean06 | And then we all just sit here... |
| 18:53.59 | ajbrun` | "I think maybe this A6 thing is not to replace A5 if I understood it, we |
| 18:54.01 | ajbrun` | still go with A5 AFAIK for a first run because there's nothing really |
| 18:54.03 | ajbrun` | wrong with it." |
| 18:54.05 | ajbrun` | then what's V6 for? |
| 18:54.44 | kdean06 | An improvement. v5 still functions, v6 adds something else that is desired but the lack of doesn't cause problems. |
| 18:58.07 | haakeyar | Yes, read the rest of the thread for more info. If I understand correctly, A5 has a bug (which is what they discuss in the thread), but they have a workaround for it. |
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| 19:00.47 | haakeyar | (the threading in the web-interface is sort of strange, personally I am using a newsgroup-reader and the newsgroup server on gmane.org (which I found in a link in the wiki), gmane.org also has a pretty good web-interface) |
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| 19:50.58 | wurp2 | Does anyone know how to set gtk button colors on the neo? |
| 19:51.16 | wurp2 | The theme seems to hide the color with the black/gray gradient |
| 19:52.11 | wurp2 | (use code to set them; e.g. widget.modify_bg( gtk.STATE_INSENSITIVE, color )) |
| 19:52.19 | wurp2 | except something that actually works :-) |
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| 19:52.45 | CM | Can you ignore the theme somehow? |
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| 19:54.11 | kristian-m | CM yes, you can |
| 19:55.22 | CM | I've just played around with removing the theme completely, and that made eveything a lot faster |
| 19:56.21 | wurp2 | I just don't know how |
| 19:56.29 | wurp2 | I am not really a gtk programmer, obviously :-) |
| 19:56.41 | wurp2 | kristian-m: Can you tell me how to do that? |
| 19:56.58 | wurp2 | Or just point me to a page about it, or google search terms, or whatever? |
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| 19:59.59 | wurp2 | CM: You mean you removed the theme from the neo altogether? |
| 20:00.40 | CM | wurp2: Yes |
| 20:00.44 | CM | Or at least renamed it ;) |
| 20:01.24 | wurp2 | Yeah, I don't want to do that, because I'm building something for other people to install |
| 20:01.44 | CM | What are you working on? |
| 20:02.14 | wurp2 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/CheckFastCharge-script |
| 20:02.30 | wurp2 | A script to monitor for slow charge and ask if you want to go into fast charge mode |
| 20:02.43 | wurp2 | with a couple of basic bells & whistles |
| 20:03.58 | CM | Ah, nice |
| 20:04.03 | CM | *sigh* |
| 20:04.18 | CM | I need to get usb-networking working again, or set up a bluetooth pan |
| 20:05.11 | wurp2 | bluetooth networking keeps dropping out from under me |
| 20:05.40 | wurp2 | I connect, ping, then ssh fails, telling me network unreachable |
| 20:05.46 | wurp2 | and when I look, bnep0 is gone |
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