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| 00:15.11 | zecke | raster: hey |
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| 00:18.34 | raster | zecke: morning! |
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| 00:21.34 | zecke | raster: I don't know ICCCM too well/at all. But I have the following issue |
| 00:22.57 | zecke | raster: I have a window (the soft menu of Qtopia) and I would like this window to never take focus. So on the XWMHints input is set to false but E with "focus on click" is giving focus to this window |
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| 00:23.28 | zecke | raster: I had hoped if I remove WM_TAKE_FOCUS from WM_PROTOCOLS something would change but it doesn't. Is there anything I can do to inform E to never give me focus? |
| 00:27.35 | raster | zecke: soft menu - as in a popup menu? |
| 00:27.59 | raster | e does respect the hint |
| 00:28.04 | raster | it will not GIVE it focus |
| 00:28.09 | raster | it may make it appear to have focus |
| 00:28.14 | raster | but not actually set it |
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| 00:29.45 | zecke | raster: I think the popup type is not set |
| 00:30.15 | zecke | raster: it definately has focus, WM_ACTIVE_WINDOW will tell me if the window has focus? |
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| 00:30.40 | raster | no |
| 00:31.22 | raster | XGetInputFocus() will tell you who currently has the focus |
| 00:31.35 | raster | u would get focus in/out events on your window if u actualy were given kbd focus |
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| 00:31.56 | raster | the problem is you dont want a window border - in fact u dont want the wm really doing anything to your popup window - right? |
| 00:32.01 | raster | u want it left alone |
| 00:32.15 | KrisAbsinthe | raster: Is there a way i can remove the New On screen Keypad |
| 00:32.36 | zecke | raster: Okay, let me take the step back, focus might not be my issue at all :) |
| 00:33.34 | zecke | raster: I have a 'soft menu' (tool, dock, groupleader). I have an active application, I click back on the soft menu, the active application gets closed and instead of making the other app active, the softmenu is active (due the click) |
| 00:33.58 | zecke | raster: I assumed it is focus but I'm likely to be wrong |
| 00:34.33 | raster | KrisAbsinthe: i have yet to even see the new keypad - my builds dont have it. they have the qwerty one. |
| 00:34.46 | raster | KrisAbsinthe: nb - i have didnt do the new keypad stuff :) |
| 00:35.09 | raster | zecke: got a screenshot of the soft menu window? |
| 00:35.17 | KrisAbsinthe | raster: I like it ...kinda, but there is no / so it is useless for terminal stuff |
| 00:35.17 | raster | just want to know which one you are talking about |
| 00:35.41 | zecke | raster: only a video: http://www.openembedded.org/~zecke/test-0000.mpeg |
| 00:35.45 | raster | zecke: i suspect you may be wanting an override-redirect window |
| 00:35.54 | raster | if its a menu window - thats how they are normally done |
| 00:36.08 | raster | as the wm doesnt have anything to do with overide-redirect windows - they bypass the wm |
| 00:36.09 | raster | :) |
| 00:38.16 | KrisAbsinthe | One last question, any easy way of making thd Neo's BT act as a HID? |
| 00:39.04 | raster | no idea |
| 00:39.10 | raster | never touched the bt stuff |
| 00:39.26 | KrisAbsinthe | I have an app, but i cant get my cross tools to work |
| 00:40.23 | zecke | no idea if this is useful: xprops of the soft menu http://paste.lisp.org/display/56179 |
| 00:42.48 | zecke | raster: any way the status is the following: It can be compiled, it can be launched, it doesn't trigger XRender errors anymore as I disabled sharing the 'same' background |
| 00:44.18 | raster | hmmm |
| 00:44.20 | raster | sharing bg |
| 00:44.23 | zecke | raster: I'm struggling a bit with 'focus' (no idea what the right term is) and decoration (group that as window management) the rest is working really well |
| 00:44.33 | raster | wait |
| 00:44.36 | raster | i'm fetching the mpeg |
| 00:44.59 | zecke | raster: mplayer chokes, gstreamer works (should be the same ffmpeg though...) |
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| 00:47.06 | raster | zecke: aah diabling accpeting of focus but also setting take focus is what is making e let u have focus |
| 00:47.36 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.36 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.36 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:47.37 | zecke | raster: yeah, I read that in e_border |
| 00:47.58 | zecke | raster: but XSetWMProtocols without WM_TAKE_FOCUS didn't change anything :( |
| 00:47.58 | zecke | I know it should :) |
| 00:48.13 | raster | as i said |
| 00:48.16 | raster | e wont set focus |
| 00:48.22 | raster | but if it has a border/frame around your window |
| 00:48.26 | raster | it may look like it does |
| 00:48.34 | raster | actual focus just gos to nowhere |
| 00:48.51 | raster | th reason for that is that e needs a "selected" window |
| 00:49.02 | raster | of some sort - so if u use a key binding like "close the current window" |
| 00:49.06 | raster | it knows what window that is |
| 00:49.14 | raster | in 99.9% of cases that selection is focus |
| 00:49.23 | raster | so it fakes it for the 0.1% of times its not |
| 00:49.36 | raster | but obeys icccm by not actually setting the x focus on the window |
| 00:49.57 | zecke | You are right on focus, I don't know X11 too well (compared to you) :) |
| 00:50.27 | raster | the problem is - i suspect u dont ant a window border |
| 00:50.33 | raster | iu dont want the wm doing anythnig to your window |
| 00:50.37 | raster | still downloading the mpg |
| 00:50.38 | raster | :) |
| 00:50.42 | zecke | lol |
| 00:50.55 | zecke | raster: I uploaded it via umts, and it went pretty fast |
| 00:51.55 | zecke | raster: Just checked the Qtopia code. It is looking at PropertyNotify and "_NET_ACTIVE_WINDOW", so this is != focus (you are right) |
| 00:52.11 | zecke | raster: is there a way to avoid getting active? even after a click on it? |
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| 00:54.48 | raster | zecke: oooh |
| 00:55.00 | raster | ok |
| 00:55.02 | raster | watching now |
| 00:55.06 | zecke | :) |
| 00:55.18 | raster | which one is it? |
| 00:55.41 | raster | the window with the decoration? |
| 00:55.48 | raster | (titlebar - etc.) |
| 00:56.06 | zecke | softmenu is the one at the bottom |
| 00:56.16 | raster | aaah |
| 00:56.31 | raster | "options" "back" |
| 00:56.35 | raster | that one |
| 00:56.42 | zecke | e.g. if you have this grid, launch an app, click back |
| 00:56.53 | zecke | you want 'input' go back to the grid and not to the soft menu |
| 00:57.19 | raster | yes |
| 00:57.31 | raster | this is the bit oif qtopia that is going to not work well |
| 00:57.35 | zecke | currently 'input' is on the menu (after the click) |
| 00:57.36 | raster | i already new that |
| 00:57.43 | raster | anything that is not an app |
| 00:58.04 | raster | (in this case - the grid) will directly conflict with any "desktop" elements e provides |
| 00:58.10 | raster | or any other environment |
| 00:58.56 | zecke | the video looks promising? doesn't it? but yes we have some issues to solve, e.g. if there is a shelf on the desktop |
| 00:59.04 | raster | sure |
| 00:59.09 | raster | here is now i see it |
| 00:59.24 | raster | the top and bottom parts of qtopia there are going to be some of the biggest pains to integrate |
| 00:59.38 | raster | as u hasically have them doing the same thing a panel would do in an x desktop |
| 00:59.44 | raster | eg with gnome gnome-panel |
| 00:59.50 | raster | or kde kicker would be doing that job |
| 01:00.06 | raster | u really can (for practical reasons) only chose one of them to do that jo |
| 01:00.13 | raster | job |
| 01:00.22 | zecke | right, we should pick one |
| 01:00.26 | raster | in the case of qtopia on x |
| 01:00.38 | raster | i would, for now, ignore that and get the rest to work |
| 01:00.46 | zecke | the bad thing is that some of the services are integrated in the 'qpe' process (the one showing the header, bottom...) |
| 01:00.47 | raster | worry about that some time much later |
| 01:00.53 | raster | yup |
| 01:00.58 | raster | thats why when u said 13 days |
| 01:01.00 | raster | i knew it wouldnt be |
| 01:01.01 | raster | :) |
| 01:01.26 | zecke | raster: well, I know the services it has, I extracted them once in Qtopia2 ;) |
| 01:01.32 | raster | for x we have our own panel we need/are using for x apps |
| 01:01.34 | zecke | raster: it is basicly the PhoneServer, some call screens |
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| 01:01.59 | raster | oh phoneserver is part of the qpe process (ie the window - softmenu etc.)? |
| 01:02.15 | zecke | raster: the softmenu as well |
| 01:02.15 | raster | that does make sense though |
| 01:02.30 | raster | that is the right design - it means call screens etc. come up instantly |
| 01:02.43 | raster | but for x - we may need a mode to have the qpe window hidden |
| 01:02.44 | raster | never shown |
| 01:02.47 | raster | ie.e - patch qpe |
| 01:02.47 | zecke | raster: call screen yes, phoneserver not :) |
| 01:02.50 | raster | and onyl show the cal window |
| 01:02.54 | raster | thus provide the services |
| 01:03.22 | raster | for now - just leave it |
| 01:03.33 | KrisAbsinthe | The bad thing about the latest qtopia is that it basically freezes until it gets a GSM connection. |
| 01:03.40 | raster | its probably best to ignore that window as a "this will eventually be hiden" thnig |
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| 01:04.51 | zecke | raster: well, the question is where we want to end. I have not worked on the predictivekeyboard yet |
| 01:05.09 | zecke | raster: but the rest is working really well already, most of it was done by Trolltech already |
| 01:05.15 | raster | oooh that will be a lot of pain |
| 01:05.48 | raster | with predictivekbd - it miht be good to work on splitting the prediction into a back-end process |
| 01:05.55 | raster | to separate the gui entirely |
| 01:06.02 | raster | talk to it via dbus for example |
| 01:06.09 | zecke | raster: the class is separate already |
| 01:06.22 | raster | then again - i am going to implement such a predictive/corrective kbd anyway |
| 01:06.27 | raster | next month (for x) |
| 01:06.32 | zecke | raster: it is using the trie/dawg of the system which should be mmaped :) |
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| 01:07.43 | raster | the problem with the predictive kbd is that the key layotu is hard-coded |
| 01:07.55 | raster | i'm going to do one where the key layotu is a config file |
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| 01:11.12 | zecke | well, we should decide if we want the qpe launcher/grid or not. if QPE apps should have decoration or not |
| 01:11.21 | zecke | and when to show the softmenu (it has to) |
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| 01:16.38 | raster | well it would conflict directly with any launcher or panel etc. in an x env |
| 01:16.44 | raster | thats the problem |
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| 01:17.49 | zecke | qpe yes |
| 01:18.22 | zecke | soft menu, well we have to have it. Qtopia windows will set _QTOPIA_SOFT_MENU on the XWindow, we know the three labels and pixmaps |
| 01:21.01 | raster | for now - dont worry about it |
| 01:21.13 | raster | but the real problem is thatĀ its a separate window |
| 01:21.40 | raster | so now any wm that goes "ok - 1 app/winow at a time" |
| 01:21.46 | raster | has to actually display 2 at a time |
| 01:21.53 | raster | and arrange them as qpe would |
| 01:22.04 | raster | which is a bit silly if u ask me :) |
| 01:22.09 | raster | (as a requirement) |
| 01:22.12 | raster | as its not very generic |
| 01:22.16 | raster | but it can be done |
| 01:23.22 | zecke | anyway. I need to go to bed and I think we are at the point that we need to worry about it. |
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| 01:23.56 | zecke | raster: I might go as far as using XTest to move the cursor onto the middle of the screen ;) |
| 01:25.41 | zecke | raster: I will work graeme to sanitize the buildsystem, can look into the predictive keyboard (there is one thing I like about IM in Qtopia), look into Qtopia-E interaction (or abusing) |
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| 01:27.28 | zecke | raster: one ugly way would be to have one virtual desktop for Qtopia and treat it special |
| 01:28.20 | zecke | http://git.openmoko.org/?p=qtopia.git;a=summary and http://git.openmoko.org/?p=qtopia.git;a=blob;f=README.x11;h=a916033f9689c95be8cbf51ad544bdf5431b7547;hb=a66c0e4ca250ea6e937df2e726f3f62bc6673ea2 :) |
| 01:32.57 | raster | zecke: aah bed! |
| 01:33.14 | raster | nb - donyt move the cursor - bad hack :) |
| 01:33.35 | raster | i can put in code to totally disable focus change on the soft menu window |
| 01:43.04 | zecke | bye, I will drop you a mail tomorrow about the decisions we have to make, then we can talk tomorrow |
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| 02:30.49 | raster | moo |
| 02:31.01 | ljp | meow |
| 02:31.35 | raster | ljp: holger is doing evil things to qtopia :) |
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| 02:33.14 | mwester-road | I broke the kernel mailing list. :( |
| 02:33.16 | ljp | ya, I know |
| 02:33.40 | ljp | actually, he is just completing things |
| 02:34.15 | raster | ljp: :-P |
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| 02:34.47 | mwester-road | Naw, in any reasonable language, you would spell it "eks" |
| 02:35.15 | raster | iks |
| 02:35.33 | mwester-road | Not from 'round these parts :) |
| 02:36.09 | raster | ljp: any reason the softmenu (bottom options/back stuff) is a separate window? |
| 02:36.11 | KrisAbsinthe | mwester-road: do you know if i can offer HID from my moko as a service? |
| 02:37.28 | mwester-road | KrisAbsinthe: if the bluetooth stack can do it, you should be able to do that from the neo, but I'm not sure how you would do keyboard or mouse with the new terminal app. |
| 02:37.44 | ljp | raster: not sure |
| 02:37.56 | raster | pfft:/ |
| 02:37.59 | raster | :( |
| 02:38.06 | raster | it just nicely complicates things |
| 02:38.13 | raster | aqs now an "app" is not 1, but 2 windows together |
| 02:40.06 | ljp | well, if X can;t handle it.... :) |
| 02:40.39 | KrisAbsinthe | mwester-road: found some code to do this, but i am waiting on a new mokomakefile to build the toolchain. taking forever |
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| 02:41.01 | raster | ljp: it can - it just makes a nice simple system much less nice and simple |
| 02:41.01 | raster | :) |
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| 02:42.05 | mwester-road | KrisAbsinthe: what application do you have in mind for this? I'm having trouble envisioning what sort of problem would have someone thinking that the neo would make a good keyboard and mouse... |
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| 02:43.10 | KrisAbsinthe | just a good mouse,for my TV tuner and hacking it to work with PS3 |
| 02:43.19 | ljp | raster: waiting for your patch :) |
| 02:43.25 | raster | ljp: :) |
| 02:43.42 | ljp | it probably need some optimizing as well |
| 02:43.49 | KrisAbsinthe | mwester-road: some people want to use it for presentations too |
| 02:44.27 | raster | ljljmore needs a lot of love for semantic-issues |
| 02:44.30 | mwester-road | Ah, for one of those presentation devices with the timer and all that. I've seen those... |
| 02:44.38 | raster | like qtopia4 "assumes" a compositing environment |
| 02:44.59 | raster | the qpe process provides launcher and other things |
| 02:45.13 | raster | so as such would conflitc with other existing x "app launchers" |
| 02:45.19 | raster | of course it could be a replacement launcher as such |
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| 04:35.31 | sagacis | Good morning anyone. |
| 04:35.48 | ewon | o/ |
| 04:36.39 | sagacis | Very quiet here... I have a question about the kernel-related build failures. |
| 04:37.00 | sagacis | I'd like to help fix it. I've seen three different solutions, and all of them suggest changing .conf files. |
| 04:37.30 | sagacis | Can't we just fix the problem in the first place and avoid having each of 300 devs changing their .confs? |
| 04:47.23 | sagacis | OK, I found the error in $OMDIR/openembedded/conf/distro/include/sane-srcrevs.inc. I'm just not sure how to push the fix, and here nobody seems in but robots..... Oh, well. |
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| 05:09.15 | jaebird | sagacis: hello? |
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| 05:43.40 | r00t_1ns1d3 | hi |
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| 06:10.23 | raddy | Hello everybody |
| 06:10.49 | raddy | How do i find out the board name of my FIC Neo phone. |
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| 06:22.16 | CM | raddy: What do you mean board name? |
| 06:22.39 | raddy | CM : http://dominion.thruhere.net/koen/cms/updating-u-boot |
| 06:22.58 | CM | The model you can see on the back under the battery |
| 06:23.28 | CM | I guess you have a GTA01BV4 like most of us |
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| 06:44.25 | raddy | CM : i can't see the model number. |
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| 10:35.47 | jeffdamet1 | hello. i tried to install the scaredycat image once again and i always get a dfu_download error -84 after two third of the download. does someone know whats the problem is that causes this? |
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| 14:24.02 | jeffdamet1 | hello. is it possible that the kernel patches in svn are not up to date? there are images for 2.6.24 but the most patches dont apply |
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| 14:33.33 | bedboi | hi guys |
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| 14:37.36 | bedboi | is qtopia working with suspend? |
| 14:37.47 | bedboi | i mean can you receive calls when in suspend? |
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| 14:42.05 | jeffdamet1 | hi. can someone recommend a snapshot that is fairly stable ? |
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| 15:57.19 | buzzinfly | i'm running ipkg update on a gta01v4 using the 2007.2 distro and getting 404 errors on the some of the sources, any idea why/what I should do? |
| 15:59.37 | jeffdamet1 | buzzinfly: i would say remove the respective conf files from /etc/ipkg/ |
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| 16:00.00 | jeffdamet1 | but i'm just tryin to find snapshots that work at all :) |
| 16:01.01 | buzzinfly | yes i know what you mean, i was using a snapshot from early this week but the sim pin just would'nt be accepted, so have gone back to the trusty 2007.2 version |
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| 16:14.58 | buzzinfly | all the 404 errors are coming from the update confs - am i right in thinking you cannot update if using this build? |
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| 16:41.51 | buzzinfly | this may not be the place for this question but i feel i must get it of fmy chest. why isn't the jack on the supplied headphones for gta01v4 phones a regular sized one? |
| 16:42.25 | cjb_ie | that's been asked before... iirc, the answer was that space really is that tight |
| 16:42.42 | cjb_ie | 3.5mm jack socket takes up quite a bit more space than a 2.5mm one |
| 16:43.23 | buzzinfly | blimey, thanks for the answer. i don't suppose a converter is supplied in the developers pack (not sure why it would be mind) |
| 16:43.48 | cjb_ie | dunno :) |
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| 16:48.16 | buzzinfly | i'd like to contribute some stuff to this project, is someone working on a program to read data off a SIM? |
| 16:48.18 | wurp2 | buzzinfly: I bought one online for about $1.50 + $2.00 US shipping |
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| 16:49.16 | wurp2 | buzzinfly: Not that I know of. A basic tool to read contacts from the SIM and load them into the contact list would be really easy, too |
| 16:49.34 | wurp2 | I will probably write a script for it soon, but that's not a real solution for most people |
| 16:50.35 | buzzinfly | the ease of it is relative to person doing it. my C is rusty compared python/perl. |
| 16:50.53 | wurp2 | yeah, I was just gonna write some python for it |
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| 16:51.06 | wurp2 | or maybe even just sh scripting |
| 16:51.42 | buzzinfly | is there a good resource on the intertubes for how to interact with a sim in moko? |
| 16:51.53 | wurp2 | My point was that you can use libgsmtool to issue the commands to retrieve SIM data |
| 16:52.14 | buzzinfly | many thanks |
| 16:52.17 | wurp2 | Then it's just a matter of parsing the response, formatting it into contacts, and inserting it in the right place in the contact data file |
| 16:52.43 | wurp2 | There was some conversation in this channel a week or two ago about the exact commands to issue |
| 16:54.01 | wurp2 | A search for SIM, contact, libgsmtool against the site that hosts the conversation logs might show you the exact command |
| 16:54.09 | wurp2 | It also may have made its way onto the wiki |
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| 16:54.34 | buzzinfly | is there something in place to avoid different people developing the same things? |
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| 16:56.02 | wurp2 | buzzinfly: I don't think so :-( |
| 16:56.17 | wurp2 | Ask on the devel mailing list |
| 16:57.05 | buzzinfly | good idea, should google before bothering you guys with my inane questions. |
| 16:57.09 | kdean06 | Does anyone know of a car charger that is able to fast-charge the Neo? |
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| 16:57.20 | kdean06 | I've connected several and none of them work. |
| 16:57.29 | kdean06 | So I'm looking to buy a confirmed working one. |
| 16:57.36 | SpeedEvil | Any, if you do the fast-charge uboot thing |
| 16:58.49 | kdean06 | "the fast charge u-boot thing" ? |
| 16:58.51 | wurp2 | buzzinfly: Nah, often there's someone here who either knows the answer right away or can point you to the right place |
| 16:59.06 | anrp | lol |
| 16:59.10 | wurp2 | Asking how you can build tools no one has built for it yet is not inane :-) |
| 16:59.23 | wurp2 | kdean06: Create a boot menu option to do fast charge |
| 16:59.35 | wurp2 | to force fast charge, I should say |
| 16:59.48 | SpeedEvil | I think it's mentioned in [[bootloader]] |
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| 17:00.47 | wurp2 | I got a standard usb charger with my bt earpiece for $15. I have to force fast charge, but it works fine (550 mA out) |
| 17:00.56 | wurp2 | it's not smart usb |
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| 17:01.04 | wurp2 | But, I don't think smart usb is enough |
| 17:01.16 | wurp2 | Neo seems to only fast charge if it can network w/ the pc |
| 17:01.44 | wurp2 | It may be something more basic than that, but every time I try to charge from a usb on a windows machine it does slow |
| 17:01.58 | wurp2 | unless I've installed the inf on the windows computer to enable networking |
| 17:02.07 | SpeedEvil | It can be set in a mode where it's forced on |
| 17:02.11 | wurp2 | Yeah |
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| 17:02.34 | wurp2 | I'm just telling kdean06 that I think even a complete smart USB charger won't work on the neo |
| 17:02.48 | wurp2 | The docs say the neo uses the interface to ask the charger if it can do 500 mA |
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| 17:03.16 | wurp2 | but either that's not right, or it somehow doesn't work on a windows machine w/o networking also set up |
| 17:03.28 | wurp2 | I haven't actually tested a smart charger |
| 17:03.35 | kdean06 | I can force it to do a fast charge as long as I don't have to unforce it later. :) I tend not to rotate chargers so as long as I know it's safe, I'm good. |
| 17:03.44 | wurp2 | You don't have to unforce |
| 17:03.49 | wurp2 | it goes back to idle when you unplug it |
| 17:04.04 | wurp2 | and won't force automatically when it's plugged in next |
| 17:04.19 | wurp2 | I'm not sure there's much point in connecting to a slow charger, though :-( |
| 17:04.28 | wurp2 | It appears to only supply about half the power the neo needs to run |
| 17:04.39 | wurp2 | although if you're on a more recent uboot that may be solved |
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| 17:15.27 | kdean06 | SpeedEvil, I've created a uBoot menu option called "Fast Charge" but is there any way to actually tell if it does anything? I created it by doing "setenv menu_7 Fast Charge: neo1973 charge fast" and it appears but selecting it doesn't indicate to me that it's charging. |
| 17:15.58 | kdean06 | It cycles, i mean. The main menu scrolls up and then returns to the menu. |
| 17:19.11 | wurp2 | Out of curiosity... why use a uboot menu option instead of a script (possibly with a .desktop link)? |
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| 17:19.30 | wurp2 | w/ the script you can check afterwards if it worked, and also still use your neo |
| 17:19.39 | kdean06 | Because I didn't think of it. :P |
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| 17:19.52 | ahven | dual-colour led would be nice, green for normal, orange for fast charge :) |
| 17:19.54 | wurp2 | Let me ship you the script I set up |
| 17:19.56 | kdean06 | Is it possible to force fast charge in userspace? That WOULD be the prefered option. |
| 17:20.18 | wurp2 | Yeah |
| 17:20.22 | kdean06 | Nice. :) |
| 17:20.50 | wurp2 | You can do it like so: echo -n "fast_cccv" > /sys/devices/platform/s3c2410-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0008/chgmode |
| 17:21.10 | wurp2 | and check it by cat-ing that same file (correct output is fast_cccv) |
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| 17:21.58 | wurp2 | My python script checks for slow charge, shows a GUI asking if you want to switch to fast charge, then does a little confirmation sequence so it doesn't go into fast charge mode bouncing around in the car or whatever |
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| 17:22.45 | wurp2 | I want to set it up to run as a daemon and add an init.d + rc.whatever script to start it off, then ipkg it up. Then I'll put it on the wiki |
| 17:23.12 | wurp2 | right now I just start up the whole python interpreter every 5 minutes, which is too heavy |
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| 17:24.09 | PBeck | ahoi |
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| 17:50.38 | adjaxio | Bonjour |
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| 18:08.34 | inwoo | anyone know if busybox's nc (netcat) supports udp? |
| 18:08.38 | inwoo | seems like a big no. |
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| 18:56.21 | kdean06 | New review. :) |
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| 19:09.07 | zash | {what,where,who,why}? |
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| 19:15.32 | wurp2 | kdean06: Cool, thanks!! |
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| 19:52.49 | wurp2 | kdean06: Is the new release 'snappier' than the ones w/ the 2.6.22 kernel? |
| 19:53.39 | kdean06 | Too close to call. :P |
| 19:53.56 | kdean06 | It's not slower. :) It may be slightly faster. |
| 19:54.01 | wurp2 | cool |
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| 19:54.15 | kdean06 | But if it's faster it's not super fast. |
| 19:54.20 | wurp2 | I am lazy. I'll probably hold off on upgrading until I hear reports of new features or bug-fixes |
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| 19:55.18 | wurp2 | or significant perfomance improvements |
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| 20:23.39 | Ti`Seb | hey |
| 20:23.41 | Ti`Seb | wget: www.angstrom-distribution.org: Host name lookup failure |
| 20:23.42 | Ti`Seb | :/ |
| 20:23.51 | Ti`Seb | what's solution ? :/ |
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| 20:26.01 | wurp2 | Ti`Seb: You're getting that on the neo? |
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| 20:26.40 | Ti`Seb | yes wurp2 |
| 20:26.54 | Ti`Seb | ipkg update command |
| 20:27.11 | zash | Ti`Seb: does any dns lookup work? |
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| 20:27.53 | Ti`Seb | i'm french sorry :) i'm don't understand totally :p |
| 20:28.44 | zash | run "host www.google.com" |
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| 20:29.06 | Ti`Seb | host www.google.com |
| 20:29.06 | Ti`Seb | -sh: host: not found |
| 20:29.07 | Ti`Seb | lol |
| 20:29.18 | zash | lol indeed |
| 20:29.47 | Ti`Seb | it's a new neo :p lol |
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| 20:31.21 | zash | DNS lookup failure, as a temporary fix add a line with "www.angstrom-distribution.org 85.214.40.226" in /etc/hosts |
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| 20:32.01 | wurp2 | And you'll need one for buildhost.openmoko.org, too |
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| 20:32.26 | wurp2 | I have those problems intermittently so often that I just left the hosts entry in there :-( |
| 20:33.19 | Ti`Seb | aie |
| 20:33.29 | Ti`Seb | pico not found |
| 20:33.31 | Ti`Seb | use vim lol |
| 20:33.38 | Ti`Seb | i'm a noob :o |
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| 20:40.45 | wurp2 | I think you can ipkg install nano |
| 20:40.53 | wurp2 | I am a vimmer |
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| 20:42.28 | kdean06 | nano is in the repos. :) |
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| 20:50.08 | Ti`Seb | Check the spelling or perhaps run 'ipkg update' |
| 20:50.08 | Ti`Seb | lol |
| 20:50.45 | inwoo | anyone play around with the j2se implementations on moko?... |
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| 20:58.02 | wurp2 | Ohy, yeah, you need to ipkg update before you can install nano, which you need to edit /etc/hosts, which you need to do before you can ipkg update... |
| 20:58.55 | wurp2 | Just 'echo "85.214.40.226 www.angstrom-distribution.org" >> /etc/hosts' |
| 20:59.12 | wurp2 | and 'echo "78.47.190.211 buildhost.openmoko.org" >> /etc/hosts' |
| 20:59.21 | wurp2 | then you can ipgk update, install nano, etc. |
| 21:01.17 | kdean06 | wurp2, Echoing THOSE two lines are SO much harder than echoing the two that do DNS masquerading... |
| 21:02.02 | wurp2 | kdean06: Except I'm *running* a dns host on my debian box, and have my /etc/resolv.conf set up, and I still have intermittent problems with DNS resolution |
| 21:02.25 | wurp2 | I tried to shut down my dns and turn on dnsmasq, but for some reason dnsmasq still tells me the port is locked |
| 21:02.37 | wurp2 | although lsof indicates nothing is tying up port 53 |
| 21:03.23 | kdean06 | I just paste the iptables lines into the host PC which is a "standard" desktop. Full DNS resolution, very little work. :) |
| 21:03.47 | wurp2 | Do you get consistent dns resolution from the neo? |
| 21:03.55 | wurp2 | Because mine works part of the time & fails the rest |
| 21:04.03 | wurp2 | if it always failed I could debug it |
| 21:04.17 | kdean06 | I've never had a problem. |
| 21:04.36 | kdean06 | Reboot the PC and the forward rule is dropped, but I just repaste it. |
| 21:04.41 | kdean06 | I reboot once a week. :) |
| 21:04.51 | thomasg_ | kdean06, according to your review sd support works now? |
| 21:04.54 | wurp2 | I never reboot |
| 21:05.00 | kdean06 | thomasg_, Yes. |
| 21:05.03 | anrp | never? |
| 21:05.05 | thomasg_ | cool, thanks |
| 21:05.10 | anrp | them's fighting words |
| 21:05.15 | kdean06 | lol |
| 21:05.19 | wurp2 | :-) |
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| 21:05.35 | wurp2 | Hrm, only up for 39 days |
| 21:05.48 | kdean06 | Wow... |
| 21:05.49 | wurp2 | Not sure why the reboot then |
| 21:05.58 | kdean06 | Never is less than a month. :P |
| 21:06.05 | KrisAbsinthe | I like the reviews. I just updated to the 2/20 image. Works great thanks for the heads up |
| 21:06.05 | Ti`Seb | ipkg update.... |
| 21:06.06 | wurp2 | less? |
| 21:06.09 | Ti`Seb | 5 minutes ago |
| 21:06.12 | kdean06 | I've got some women to call back. ;) |
| 21:06.28 | wurp2 | 39 days > the months I'm familiar with |
| 21:06.32 | wurp2 | but < never |
| 21:06.50 | anrp | 864 days so far |
| 21:06.59 | kdean06 | wurp2, Perhaps i should have said "less than a month away". 39 days - my uptime. |
| 21:07.14 | wurp2 | ah |
| 21:07.17 | kdean06 | anrp, On a FreeBSD server, perhaps. :P I doubt your desktop is that high. :) |
| 21:07.37 | anrp | Linux version 2.6.11-gentoo-r6 (root@unspecified) (gcc version 3.4.3-20050110 (Gentoo Linux 3.4.3.20050110-r2, ssp-3.4.3.20050110-0, pie-8.7.7)) #1 Tue Apr 19 16:06:49 EDT 2005 |
| 21:07.41 | anrp | it is a server, true |
| 21:08.00 | anrp | 5400rpm disk! |
| 21:08.02 | anrp | way slow |
| 21:08.04 | wurp2 | Actually, I have small children. I'm pretty sure I do know why the reboot 39 days ago |
| 21:08.25 | kdean06 | anrp, Kernel updates are acceptable reasons to reboot, IMO. :) |
| 21:08.30 | anrp | but I am lazy |
| 21:08.36 | anrp | and therefore... it does not happen |
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| 21:08.59 | anrp | it is an old kernel.. |
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| 21:19.36 | kdean06 | It is snowing here and I am sure my drive home will be full of idiots who can't handle driving in snow. |
| 21:21.45 | wurp2 | Any conversation about uptime is DOA, I think |
| 21:23.44 | anrp | i would have to agree |
| 21:23.46 | anrp | sorry D; |
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| 21:27.10 | wurp2 | nah, I think I started it ;-) |
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| 22:06.56 | doughnut42 | anyone else having problems with the microsd support in 2.6.24? |
| 22:06.56 | doughnut42 | http://openmoko.pastebin.com/m68f0f1b |
| 22:09.40 | josch | <thomasg_> kdean06, according to your review sd support works now? |
| 22:09.40 | josch | <kdean06> thomasg_, Yes. |
| 22:09.49 | josch | @ doughnut42 |
| 22:11.50 | doughnut42 | josch: noticed that so i made a fresh build today and got that error writing the superblocks with mke2fs. i'll do an update and give it another shot. thanks. |
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| 22:22.07 | cyrilRomain | hi! Does anyone know if some Neo are going to be sold during the FOSDEM ? |
| 22:24.01 | SpeedEvil | when is FOSDEM? |
| 22:24.24 | SpeedEvil | GTA01 has completely sold out |
| 22:24.25 | philippe | SpeedEvil: this weekend |
| 22:24.28 | philippe | 23-24 |
| 22:24.28 | SpeedEvil | so no |
| 22:25.14 | cyrilRomain | :-/ |
| 22:25.17 | CM | Would be nice to be there though... |
| 22:25.20 | CM | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Events:FOSDEM_2008 |
| 22:25.39 | SpeedEvil | well - barring GTA02 being available in quantity there. |
| 22:25.43 | SpeedEvil | Which seems unlikely. |
| 22:26.02 | KrisAbsinthe | Im going to put mine on ebay, but it now 350. If i get around to it |
| 22:26.12 | CM | Hey, how did I miss the opkg stuff? |
| 22:26.25 | KrisAbsinthe | opps but it now 250 |
| 22:26.53 | SpeedEvil | it now 250? |
| 22:27.05 | KrisAbsinthe | yeah, ill sell it for 250 |
| 22:27.15 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 22:27.36 | KrisAbsinthe | trying to sell it before the 02 comes out |
| 22:28.33 | CM | Is monotone.oe.org down again? |
| 22:28.56 | CM | SpeedEvil: If I crack mine I'll send it to you :) |
| 22:32.14 | summatusmentis | what's the diff between opkg and ipkg |
| 22:32.14 | summatusmentis | ? |
| 22:32.48 | KrisAbsinthe | SpeedEvil: You should embed a broke 01 into your laptop lol |
| 22:33.07 | SpeedEvil | KrisAbsinthe: UAV I was more thinking. |
| 22:33.18 | mjr | opkg is some sugar on top |
| 22:33.57 | KrisAbsinthe | SpeedEvil: DAMN RIGHT !! I was some pics lol |
| 22:34.58 | SpeedEvil | KrisAbsinthe: I have the chassis part built, and much of the sensor equipment. |
| 22:35.00 | mjr | SpeedEvil with the UAV project; how's that coming along? :) |
| 22:35.03 | mjr | righto |
| 22:35.21 | SpeedEvil | It's somewhat complex - around 20 sensors. |
| 22:36.13 | SpeedEvil | The fun part isn't the prop or the motor, but the software in many ways. |
| 22:36.30 | SpeedEvil | Basically to fuse the inputs of all the sensors into one position solution. |
| 22:37.00 | KrisAbsinthe | SpeedEvil: Thats great. The neo would be great for a lot, using the GPS to navigate or report location over GPRS |
| 22:37.42 | SpeedEvil | Not really - the primary mission plan is to ascend directly to 1-4Km, then take a panorama, then descend. |
| 22:38.03 | SpeedEvil | hit red button and it lands on takeoff spot 4 min or so later. |
| 22:38.31 | SpeedEvil | With a 90 degree or so conic panorama |
| 22:39.25 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: It sounds like a ballon + altimeter + digital phone + parachute would be the way to go for that mission... |
| 22:39.27 | SpeedEvil | And cell providers get upset about phones at 1Km+ :) |
| 22:39.32 | wurp2 | + a tracking device |
| 22:39.42 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: yes - but I want it to be able to do it again in 15 mins, all day. |
| 22:39.55 | KrisAbsinthe | That sounds fun |
| 22:39.56 | wurp2 | ah, cool! |
| 22:40.07 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: without a skilled user. |
| 22:40.22 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: as long as they follow the rules on takeoff site and winds |
| 22:40.47 | wurp2 | So it is intended to find its way back to the landing pad? |
| 22:40.53 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 22:41.19 | wurp2 | GPS? Maybe plus something else once it gets close? |
| 22:41.23 | SpeedEvil | It's basically a helicopter optimised for extreme vertical climb. |
| 22:41.50 | SpeedEvil | GPS, possibily dual GPS, probably magnetic signalling from a loop at the base station. |
| 22:42.26 | wurp2 | What are FCC rules re: small stuff flying at 4 km? |
| 22:42.29 | KrisAbsinthe | SpeedEvil: If I may ask, other than cool factor, what are you building it for? |
| 22:42.32 | wurp2 | er, FAA |
| 22:42.47 | wurp2 | or whatever the air governing body is in your area |
| 22:42.52 | SpeedEvil | KrisAbsinthe: sale to people who may be buying air photos ATM. |
| 22:42.54 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: CAA |
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| 22:43.04 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: at the moment - under 7Kg - none. |
| 22:43.13 | wurp2 | wow |
| 22:43.15 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: I'm aiming for 900g-1Kg weight. |
| 22:43.20 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: UK |
| 22:43.22 | wurp2 | I'll bet that changes in the next 10 years, maybe 5 |
| 22:43.41 | wurp2 | Because lots of people are gonna be putting stuff under 7 kg up in the next few years |
| 22:44.02 | mjr | wurp2, seems likely enough |
| 22:44.07 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: possibly. I plan to integrate maybe 50W+ of LED flash for the 'sale' version. |
| 22:44.25 | wurp2 | KrisAbsinthe: So there would be the answer to your question :-) |
| 22:44.40 | wurp2 | That makes sense |
| 22:44.54 | KrisAbsinthe | yup, I love projects like that, im a student of these things ;) |
| 22:45.04 | wurp2 | me too |
| 22:45.11 | wurp2 | I gotta quit my day job and start doing them |
| 22:45.37 | KrisAbsinthe | lol, im about to start a part time job, just so i can start tinkering more in hardware |
| 22:46.03 | KrisAbsinthe | quiting my 40 hr job...guess i should have qualified that |
| 22:46.19 | wurp2 | I figured it out |
| 22:47.33 | KrisAbsinthe | anyone going to HOPE? |
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| 22:58.00 | apaulsen | has anyone had success running gllin from the sd card instead of the rootfs? |
| 22:59.21 | KrisAbsinthe | it *should* work as long as you have ipkg-link 'ed it |
| 22:59.53 | mjr | yeah I have. link'd |
| 23:00.11 | apaulsen | I did, but I'm getting "not found" errors |
| 23:00.36 | KrisAbsinthe | are you running gllin or gllin.real |
| 23:01.16 | apaulsen | KrisAbsinthe: they both output a "not found" error |
| 23:01.32 | KrisAbsinthe | brb |
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| 23:03.55 | KrisAbsinthe | shit, im getting " bad magic" trying to install gllin now |
| 23:09.21 | apaulsen | KrisAbsinthe: I reinstalled it and now it runs, but it dies after a few seconds |
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| 23:15.08 | pavelm | Hello, everyone |
| 23:15.31 | pavelm | ..I updated to latest scaredycat's image (thanks!)... but result is gllin not working with new kernel :-( |
| 23:15.44 | pavelm | it expects open("/sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-gps.0/power_lp_io_3v3", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_TRUNC, 0666) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 23:15.52 | pavelm | ...but directory name is now different. |
| 23:15.59 | pavelm | Has anyone fought this problem already? |
| 23:17.54 | pavelm | ...new names are longer, so I can't simply edit binary file :-( |
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| 23:18.24 | KrisAbsinthe | apaulsen: check your /tmp/nmeaNP cause gllin looks like it dies somtimes but is ok |
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| 23:19.48 | pavelm | kris: Checked nmeaNP, and it is empty. No wonder -- gllin can't even power up gps on 2.6.24 kernel :-( |
| 23:20.24 | KrisAbsinthe | well that sucks |
| 23:20.45 | apaulsen | shoot, I wanted to get this going before I leave for FOSDEM |
| 23:21.29 | KrisAbsinthe | go to OM image 1/30 if you can find it. 2/10 works too |
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| 23:21.39 | KrisAbsinthe | i prefer 1/30 |
| 23:22.17 | pavelm | kris: That's too easy. I'll figure something out; this needs fixing anyway. |
| 23:22.36 | KrisAbsinthe | very true, any idea on my problem? |
| 23:22.51 | KrisAbsinthe | I get "invalid Magic" while installing gllin |
| 23:23.46 | pavelm | while _installing_? That's strange. |
| 23:24.44 | KrisAbsinthe | yeah I know, I have the 2/20 image w/ latest kernel stupid. i guess thats what i get for messing with unstable images lol |
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| 23:26.37 | pavelm | hmm... plus 2.6.24 kernel gets io errors on microSD card :-((( |
| 23:27.16 | apaulsen | pavelm: I saw that too, then I rebooted and it worked fine |
| 23:27.20 | KrisAbsinthe | that *seems* to work now, thats why i changed |
| 23:27.56 | pavelm | apaulsen: Thanks, will try to reboot. |
| 23:27.58 | KrisAbsinthe | i just ipkg'ed gcc and now i get 'gcc: not found' |
| 23:28.22 | KrisAbsinthe | nevermind |
| 23:28.29 | pavelm | kris: do you have enough space for that? |
| 23:28.55 | KrisAbsinthe | yeah, they named it the same as the cross. instead of just gcc |
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| 23:31.48 | apaulsen | ...attempting kernel downgrade |
| 23:31.51 | pavelm | got it :-) |
| 23:31.52 | pavelm | cat gllin.real | sed 's-/sys/-/s/s/-g' > gllin.real2 |
| 23:31.53 | pavelm | mkdir -p /s/s/bus/platform/devices/ |
| 23:31.53 | pavelm | ln -s /sys/bus/platform/devices/neo1973-pm-gps.0/ /s/s/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-gps.0 |
| 23:32.22 | KrisAbsinthe | sweet |
| 23:32.24 | apaulsen | pavelm: nice magic |
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| 23:45.06 | pavelm | Time to get some sleep... |
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