| 00:08.23 | toxx_ | wurp2|away: I just created http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA01Standby . can you have a look? |
| 00:09.33 | SpeedEvil | toer: search gta01 power managment] |
| 00:09.45 | SpeedEvil | I forget the exact title of the page - and add it to that probably. |
| 00:09.56 | SpeedEvil | Or at least link |
| 00:10.35 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973_GTA01_Power_Management |
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| 00:13.37 | toxx_ | cesarb, SpeedEvil : Done. Ok as it is? |
| 00:13.47 | toxx_ | (Right at the top, where it says unimplemented) |
| 00:15.18 | cesarb | toxx_: anywhere is good, as long as you can get from the central gta01 power management page to it |
| 00:15.42 | cesarb | toxx_: else it gets "lost in the wiki" ;-) |
| 00:16.19 | toxx_ | cesarb: alright, I think my change should do it. not very experienced with keeping a wiki together! :) |
| 00:17.39 | cesarb | toxx_: as we say on Wikipedia, "Be bold!" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Be_bold) |
| 00:18.55 | Stephmw | anyone happen to have built an up to date midpath package containing midpath-microbackend.jar? |
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| 00:35.33 | Stephmw | nevermind, found one ;) |
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| 01:02.51 | rwhitby | mickey|zzZZzz: svn: Unable to find repository location for 'http://svn.openmoko.org/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/config' in revision 3801 |
| 01:03.52 | cesarb | rwhitby: that problem has been there since the beginning of the repo |
| 01:04.16 | rwhitby | I guess it's stably broken then :- |
| 01:04.18 | cesarb | rwhitby: I suspect someone played unclean games with the svn repo (removed the directory and added it again instead of removing it) on a revision after that one |
| 01:04.42 | cesarb | rwhitby: meaning that, as svn says, the directory currently called by that name didn't exist on revision 3801 |
| 01:04.51 | rwhitby | cesarb: well the sane-srcrevs.inc file must have been updated without testing then |
| 01:05.15 | cesarb | rwhitby: that revision probably worked before the directory was removed/added |
| 01:05.19 | rwhitby | (being able to play with svn structure is *exactly* why we have SRCREVs in the first place. |
| 01:05.47 | wurp2|away | toxx_: The instructions look great to me! I'll add the proper boot sequence for flash boot after I get it working on my neo. |
| 01:05.54 | rwhitby | cesarb: huh? you can't change an SVN revision once it's commited. even by removing directories afterwards. |
| 01:06.11 | cesarb | rwhitby: r3824 | werner | 2008-01-13 22:46:12 -0200 (Dom, 13 Jan 2008) | 7 lines |
| 01:06.20 | cesarb | rwhitby: A /branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/config |
| 01:06.31 | cesarb | rwhitby: as you can see, the directory was added on revision 3824 |
| 01:06.47 | wurp2|away | away again :-) |
| 01:07.11 | cesarb | rwhitby: svn gets what currently is at the specified location (i.e. HEAD) and goes back in time until it finds the specified revision. It can even follow moves while doing so AFAIK |
| 01:07.24 | mwester-laptop | 3801 was the stable version for the 2.6.22 kernel, but doesn't apply to the 2.6.24 kernel AFAIK |
| 01:07.48 | mwester-laptop | So when the default kernel was switched in OE, the SVN version no longer makes sense. |
| 01:08.58 | mwester-laptop | Just don't use the latest SVN version with the 2.6.24 kernel, if you value the contents of your SD card... |
| 01:10.15 | cesarb | mwester-laptop: you can always simply remove the SD card, like I've done while testing what little I developed of cpufreq so far |
| 01:10.31 | mwester-laptop | That's a really good idea. I was lazy, though. |
| 01:11.06 | mwester-laptop | Plus, I was the one doing the debugging and testing my patches; you'd think I'd know that I was risking my SD data :-) |
| 01:11.52 | cesarb | mwester-laptop: that's the downside of being a kernel dev: someone has to test what you wrote, and well... |
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| 01:12.25 | mwester-laptop | So have you toasted your HW yet with the clock changing? That has a certain element of risk, doesn't it? |
| 01:12.33 | rwhitby | mwester: if the svn version no longer made sense, then it shouldn't have been copied to be the SVNREV for the 2.6.24 version of the kernel recipe |
| 01:13.18 | cesarb | mwester-laptop: I knew from other people's experiments that the worst which could happen would be a recoverable crash |
| 01:13.42 | cesarb | mwester-laptop: well, I could also somehow hose some of the NAND contents in someone's far-fetched theory, but I have a debug board if needed |
| 01:13.49 | mwester-laptop | It wasn't copied; it was left behind in the sane-srcrevs.inc file because there's nothing in the sane-srcrevs that can qualify the svn version to the specific version of the kernel :( |
| 01:14.20 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: the worst case I came up with was some wierd oops that wrote to block 0 of the NAND a lot |
| 01:14.21 | mwester-laptop | cesarb, ok - I had heard somewhere that you could actually damage components like the LCD if you messed up the clocks too badly. |
| 01:14.30 | SpeedEvil | mwester: you can |
| 01:14.33 | cesarb | mwester-laptop: however, I have no idea so far how the SD card would behave without having the driver modified, so I tested without it (and without a SIM too, just for the heck of it) |
| 01:15.07 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: do that >1000 times and the NAND is no longer specced to be error free on block 0 - which may screw the bootloader. |
| 01:15.29 | cesarb | mwester-laptop: you could in theory burn the vibrator motor (or not -- SpeedEvil is the hw guy around here, I never played with motors), but I didn't put a SIM in, so the vibrator wouldn't light up |
| 01:15.51 | SpeedEvil | vibrator motor will be fine unless you run it for hours. |
| 01:16.13 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: even without the PWM pulsing it on and off? good to know |
| 01:16.43 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: they are used in model aircraft - the motors |
| 01:17.03 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: though they are way too heavy for the smallest planes of course. |
| 01:17.06 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: |
| 01:17.13 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: R/C with a mass under 0.5g |
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| 01:18.56 | mwester-laptop | rwhitby: although I'll agree with the concern that the stable branch was not tested, and also note that this problem has been around for at least a week, which is even more concerning. (Does nobody build stable, or does nobody build at all?) |
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| 01:21.34 | cesarb | mwester-laptop: a week? |
| 01:21.39 | cesarb | mwester-laptop: a _week_? |
| 01:21.42 | cesarb | mwester-laptop: more like a month |
| 01:22.28 | mwester-laptop | er, "attempts" to build -- success rates vary ;) |
| 01:23.08 | cesarb | mwester-laptop: I think stable never built at all |
| 01:23.46 | cesarb | mwester-laptop: I tried once, gave up, and edited my copy of mokomakefile to use "unstable" by default |
| 01:23.54 | cesarb | mwester-laptop: since it was more stable ;-) |
| 01:24.58 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=806518 silly plane |
| 01:25.03 | mwester-laptop | I just checked my "mokostable" directory; January 17th |
| 01:25.14 | mwester-laptop | So it built back then! |
| 01:25.31 | cesarb | mwester-laptop: wow |
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| 01:30.47 | technil | my last build MokoMakefile was Jan 5, so a bit more than a month. Works fine, but I'm in 850 land so no GSM testing. I remember I had to skip building openmoko-terminal2 |
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| 01:34.01 | technil | anyone have a favorite application for viewing GPS tracks? |
| 01:34.21 | technil | (desktop) |
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| 01:46.09 | SpeedEvil | josm |
| 01:46.24 | SpeedEvil | -> technil |
| 01:47.06 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/JOSM |
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| 04:20.13 | KrisAbsinthe | Maybe someone here can help: Trying to make my Neo think its a BT HID. any takers |
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| 08:11.25 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:26.19 | raddy | Hello Everybody |
| 08:26.52 | raddy | How to get U-Boot prompt in v2 device? |
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| 09:38.49 | adjaxio | Bonjour |
| 09:40.55 | zash | the protocol or the greeting? ;) |
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| 10:00.21 | TRIsoft | morning |
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| 10:59.07 | florian | good morning |
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| 11:10.28 | ahven | anyone interested in buying a GTA01? |
| 11:10.52 | Stephmw | ramping up to get yout GTA02? |
| 11:11.29 | ahven | yup |
| 11:14.25 | Stephmw | wish I could say I'd be interested... but I get told off about my collection of old gadgets ;) |
| 11:14.53 | cjb_ie | 'er indoors? i know the feeling |
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| 11:15.35 | Stephmw | it's not a big collection neither.. greenphone, SavaJe handsets, zaurus... |
| 11:16.35 | ahven | I prefer to keep my collection (frequently) usable |
| 11:17.39 | Stephmw | ahven: it's true that I should ebay my 5000D for parts |
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| 11:46.32 | raddy | Hello Everybody |
| 11:46.52 | raddy | I have GTA2 device. |
| 11:47.11 | XorA | raddy: who are you? |
| 11:47.45 | raddy | XorA: i am unofficial parter of openmoko |
| 11:47.50 | zash | raddy: *ENVY* |
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| 11:48.15 | raddy | How do i halt the boot process in GTA2? |
| 11:48.17 | XorA | raddy: Im an OM employee, so if you let me know which partner I can offer the correct level of support :-D |
| 11:48.46 | mjr | :D |
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| 11:49.10 | XorA | raddy: you have nothing on screen? |
| 11:49.27 | XorA | raddy: connect a terminal program to /dev/ttyACM0 and hit enter to stop the boot |
| 11:49.47 | raddy | XorA : ohh, it boots directly to OS |
| 11:50.08 | XorA | raddy: there should be a 3 second pause before kernel loads |
| 11:50.22 | XorA | raddy: in that window you can stop u-boot |
| 11:50.53 | raddy | XorA : ohh |
| 11:52.24 | raddy | XorA : but what every key i press boot process is not getting halted in openmoko. |
| 11:52.41 | XorA | raddy: you need to do it by usb-serial |
| 11:53.06 | raddy | XorA : ohh |
| 11:54.32 | raddy | XorA : if i connect to usb serial would the kernel wait for key presses? |
| 11:54.47 | XorA | raddy: kernel no, but u-boot speaks |
| 11:55.01 | raddy | XorA : kewll |
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| 11:55.28 | XorA | raddy: and if your particular gta02 isnt answering by usb-serial you need to connect debug board and use real serial port |
| 11:55.44 | raddy | XorA : ohhh, |
| 11:56.02 | XorA | raddy: all the info is on the wiki |
| 11:56.20 | raddy | XorA : can you point the url to me? |
| 11:56.35 | XorA | wiki.openmoko.org |
| 11:57.11 | raddy | XorA : i know the domain, but in which page there is info about GTA02? |
| 11:57.32 | XorA | raddy: debug board for gta02 and gta01 are the same |
| 11:58.05 | raddy | XorA : ohhh |
| 12:00.34 | raddy | XorA : actually we have got early version of GTA02 as a valued partner. |
| 12:00.53 | raddy | XorA : but we didn't get debug board |
| 12:01.02 | raddy | XorA : do you know harry? |
| 12:01.15 | XorA | raddy: no, I work remotely |
| 12:01.30 | XorA | raddy: do you have a gta02v2 or v4? |
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| 12:03.29 | raddy | XorA: We have GTA02 aka free runner. |
| 12:03.55 | XorA | raddy: the fact you said early makes me think you have an old prototype |
| 12:04.43 | raddy | XorA : we have got the product 15 days back. |
| 12:06.14 | Any_Key | morning |
| 12:09.06 | raddy | XorA : so there is no any other way to halt it, right? |
| 12:09.14 | XorA | raddy: no |
| 12:09.40 | raddy | XorA : is it possible to flash u-boot after booting the kernel? |
| 12:09.54 | XorA | unless maybe turning it on while holding aux stops it, that never used to work, but maybe it will with newer u-boot |
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| 12:10.21 | XorA | rwhitby: you dont want one yet :-D |
| 12:10.56 | rwhitby | XorA: not as good as a gta01bv3 yet? |
| 12:11.11 | XorA | rwhitby: there was a teeny hardware bug found that needs a rework |
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| 12:11.21 | XorA | rwhitby: otherwise it reboots at random |
| 12:11.53 | rwhitby | yeah, read about those on the kernel list |
| 12:12.34 | XorA | I can barely keep my gta02 running :-) |
| 12:12.42 | XorA | but mine is truly ancient |
| 12:16.12 | XorA | must be lunch time GMT |
| 12:16.28 | ahven | GMT +2 is almost over :P |
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| 12:17.58 | raddy | XorA : actually it waits for sometime for key presses, but even if i press Aux key, it doesn't respond, what to do? |
| 12:18.40 | XorA | raddy: well if it is waiting then you can use dfu-util to reflash |
| 12:19.09 | raddy | XorA : it is only waiting for few seconds, there is no boot menu. |
| 12:21.19 | raddy | XorA : any hints |
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| 12:26.46 | Any_Key | I'm trying to make openmoko-devel-image but failing at fetching 2.6.24 kernel from svn - http://pastebin.ca/909692 |
| 12:27.05 | Any_Key | any suggestions? |
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| 12:34.41 | dennda | Hi. Just found http://tangogps.org/ |
| 12:34.45 | dennda | Looks quite promising |
| 12:35.00 | dennda | Any idea if it'll be possible to contribute back to openstreetmap using that tool? |
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| 12:36.37 | mjr | iirc it can take tracks, and you can convert them to gpx using gpsbabel, and then send off to osm (or draw ways based on them with JOSM or what have you) |
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| 12:41.54 | dennda | cool |
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| 12:42.13 | dennda | I actually don't know how the openstreetmap process works, but would love to send them information |
| 12:42.44 | cjb_ie | it's a bit more interactive than that :) |
| 12:44.36 | dennda | frankly I have no idea yet |
| 12:45.11 | cjb_ie | well, GPS logs on their own aren't much good without georeferenced or time-synced photos of street signs and such |
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| 12:45.23 | cjb_ie | better yet is to do the actual editing |
| 12:46.34 | cjb_ie | there's a flash applet on openstreetmap.org called potlatch, and an offline(ish) java editor called josm (login required to make edits in either case) |
| 12:47.34 | cjb_ie | there's been interaction between the potlatch author and the gnash team to get potlatch working in gnash, to escape the proprietary aspect of flash |
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| 12:50.28 | dennda | I've a laptop |
| 12:50.50 | cjb_ie | dennda: you'll want a wheel mouse to use josm |
| 12:51.20 | dennda | Shouldn't it be possible to just take a walk and take notes of the streetnames? |
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| 12:52.06 | cjb_ie | dennda: sure, but photos are better for proving that the data was gathered for real, not copied off other maps. |
| 12:52.45 | dennda | ah i see |
| 12:53.07 | dennda | what's the point of editing the data myself then? |
| 12:53.17 | dennda | how can that be trusted |
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| 12:53.56 | cjb_ie | well, there's nothing to stop you doing it, especially for a location you're familiar with |
| 12:54.08 | dennda | that's what I intended |
| 12:54.17 | dennda | the area where my parents live is just a big white spot |
| 12:54.35 | cjb_ie | but it's considered good practice to have some form of "i was there" evidence if you might not reasonably be expected to be familiar with it |
| 12:54.43 | cjb_ie | a gps trace is a pretty good start |
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| 12:54.57 | dennda | ok |
| 12:55.04 | dennda | thanks for the introduction |
| 12:55.12 | cjb_ie | but the main thing you can do to protect yourself and osm is never, ever copy off other map sources as they can contain easter eggs |
| 12:55.13 | dennda | will take a look at it when the thing finally hits the market :) |
| 12:55.44 | dennda | didn't want to do that anyway |
| 12:56.16 | cjb_ie | http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Copyright_Easter_Eggs |
| 12:56.47 | dennda | thanks |
| 12:57.03 | dennda | let's just hope that freerunner's ready due march :) |
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| 13:16.33 | dennda | is that realistic? |
| 13:16.54 | dennda | (from a hardware point of view) |
| 13:20.18 | SpeedEvil | Probably not. |
| 13:20.53 | dennda | ok, i'll intensify my prayers |
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| 13:27.34 | Any_Key | hey guys somebody know why i can't build openmoko image using MokoMakefile? |
| 13:28.18 | SpeedEvil | Have you sacrificed an otter? |
| 13:28.21 | Any_Key | it complains about 2.6.24 kernel not on http://downloads.openmoko.org/sources/ & it really not here |
| 13:28.27 | SpeedEvil | Or is it a puppy this week? |
| 13:28.47 | Any_Key | SpeedEvil, me? |
| 13:29.03 | mickeyl | actually it looks for http://svn.openmoko.org/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/config/ |
| 13:29.08 | mickeyl | which indeed contains a defconfig |
| 13:29.19 | mickeyl | at least in revision 4086 |
| 13:29.49 | mickeyl | do you really _need_ to build it? |
| 13:29.53 | Any_Key | look at http://pastebin.ca/909692 |
| 13:30.05 | mickeyl | yes |
| 13:30.13 | mickeyl | it checks the mirror for the file |
| 13:30.13 | Any_Key | aaa just making fresh install |
| 13:30.17 | mickeyl | sees it's not present |
| 13:30.23 | mickeyl | then checks out the upstream |
| 13:30.26 | mickeyl | and for some reason it fails |
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| 13:32.10 | Any_Key | yeah, but i don't really know what reason is it |
| 13:32.19 | Any_Key | let see |
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| 13:32.50 | mickeyl | aah |
| 13:32.51 | mickeyl | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:33.06 | mickeyl | i guess its looking for a wrong revision |
| 13:33.31 | mickeyl | try SRCREV_pn-linux-openmoko ?= "4079" |
| 13:33.36 | mickeyl | in sane-srcrevs.inc |
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| 13:33.44 | kahless_ | hi all |
| 13:35.00 | dcordes | hi kahless_ |
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| 13:35.20 | Any_Key | mickey|lunch, bon appetite |
| 13:35.24 | mickey|lunch | merci |
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| 13:41.52 | kahless_ | so, whats up today? |
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| 14:16.42 | dennda | Will python (and pygtk) be part of OpenMoko? |
| 14:19.14 | Stephmw | 'part of'? iirc there's already packages for these |
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| 14:19.57 | mickeyl | python-pygtk remains one option among others to create applications for the OM platform |
| 14:20.05 | dennda | Ok |
| 14:20.08 | dennda | great |
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| 14:21.42 | stefreak | Hi all :) |
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| 14:29.50 | bedboi | hi there. |
| 14:31.25 | wurp2|away | hi |
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| 15:01.46 | Any_Key | mickeyl, thanx alot |
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| 15:17.22 | mipper | How would I put a new driver into the OM? I need to create a module for the cp2101.c driver. |
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| 15:29.51 | dennda | What's the "class" of freerunners gprs chip? (i.e. how fast is it) |
| 15:34.02 | mjr | 12 |
| 15:34.33 | mjr | ...'less there's again some chip-external limits... |
| 15:36.12 | dennda | Any estimations on how fast it is usually? (measured in kilobytes per second) |
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| 15:49.42 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:49.47 | SpeedEvil | 4-5Kbutes/s |
| 15:49.55 | SpeedEvil | up to 2s ping |
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| 15:55.05 | zedstar | so in summary "slow" |
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| 15:58.52 | mjr | yeah; it's as fast as gprs comes, but all grps is slow |
| 15:59.19 | mjr | luckily slow is still good for many things |
| 15:59.48 | zedstar | yeh....the bandwidth not such an issue the latency is pretty bad |
| 15:59.49 | _diego_ | denda: if you are interested in mapping, you should take a look at navit |
| 16:03.42 | zedstar | the variance in the latency is quite impressive also! |
| 16:04.17 | dennda | so surfing is not that much fun without being within the range of a wifi spot |
| 16:04.19 | dennda | saaad :( |
| 16:04.49 | zedstar | depends wot u surf i guess....is still ok |
| 16:05.20 | dennda | youtube will be great fun ;) |
| 16:05.44 | zedstar | good luck with that ;) |
| 16:05.56 | dennda | but I'm happy anyway |
| 16:06.37 | zedstar | it seems also a lot is network dependent... eg how much packet loose u get.....im getting quite a bit of vodafone right now when i ping |
| 16:07.39 | mjr | my travelnet has been gprs for a couple of years now |
| 16:07.39 | zedstar | 42 packets transmitted, 24 packets received, 42% packet loss |
| 16:07.49 | zedstar | vodafone sux |
| 16:09.11 | zedstar | waiting for my free t-mobile sim to arrive and do some comparisons |
| 16:10.55 | SpeedEvil | t-mobile (for the UK) seems a good pick. |
| 16:11.26 | SpeedEvil | Especially if there are days you won't use it, and you don't make enough caslls to make a contract worthwhile. |
| 16:11.26 | zedstar | they doing free sim now from their website but seems to take a while |
| 16:11.51 | SpeedEvil | the cheapest contract seems to run 30/mo with data - from several providers. |
| 16:12.07 | zedstar | yeh so 1 pound cap * 30 isnt too bad in context |
| 16:12.10 | SpeedEvil | But with PAYG on t-mobile, GPRS spend is capped at a pound a day |
| 16:13.18 | SpeedEvil | For browsing with images off, and loading on demand, ssh to a server with a SOCKs server on the far end is much faster. |
| 16:13.27 | SpeedEvil | as it compresses |
| 16:14.05 | zedstar | i heard an ad that 3 are doing some data additions to PAYG will have to check it out also |
| 16:15.40 | SpeedEvil | Just - AIUI - only for 3G data |
| 16:16.09 | SpeedEvil | the prices for a 24 month data contract aren't _too_ bad - but the allowances are tiny, and they want you to pay a couple of pounds a megabyte if you go over the quota. |
| 16:17.04 | zedstar | yeh......plenty of people get caught by these limits |
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| 16:29.03 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: Does the neo web client not accept gzipped pages? |
| 16:29.39 | wurp2 | the http stream should negotiate zipped exchange automatically |
| 16:29.41 | SpeedEvil | Some servers don't provide them. |
| 16:29.47 | wurp2 | well, zipped download, anyway |
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| 16:30.13 | wurp2 | I hadn't really looked into that... I would think that apache and IIS (ew) at least would support zipping |
| 16:30.17 | wurp2 | it's been around forever |
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| 16:30.53 | SpeedEvil | Also - Maybe I just got unlucky. |
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| 16:38.56 | haakeyar | wurp2: Apache does support zipping (mod_deflate) but it is not done by default and many sites does not use it. |
| 16:39.21 | haakeyar | Also, there appears to be no direct support for pre-compressed pages, but it is possible to do it by some experimenting with the configuration values. |
| 16:41.07 | haakeyar | There is/will be J2ME support in OM, right? Opera Mini is great for surfing over GPRS. It compresses the sites on some servers before sending it to you. |
| 16:43.02 | mjr | there is support for pre-compressed pages (I think it did that through multiviews) |
| 16:43.25 | mjr | anyway, j2me, last I heard somebody had phoneme running using qvfb on openmoko, so it appears so |
| 16:44.01 | mjr | one'll probably want to ditch the qvfb from the equation and so on but at least there's a way |
| 16:44.23 | mjr | As for compressing proxies, we really want our own. |
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| 16:46.18 | wurp2 | haakeyar: That's crazy that it doesn't do it by default. |
| 16:46.25 | wurp2 | If client supports it, server should send it zipped |
| 16:46.36 | haakeyar | mjr: Through multiviews? And it sends the correct headers and uncompressed contents if the client doesn't support it? Must look into that sometime... |
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| 16:48.39 | mjr | haakeyar, multiviews is the stuff that allows you to have multiple versions of a file with additional extensions. Eg. index.html and index.html.gz, the appropriate one being served |
| 16:48.52 | mjr | mostly used for language content negotiation I think |
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| 16:53.07 | haakeyar | Oh, I thought it was used for accessing files without file endings, like index instead of index.html (gave me some trouble on a server once, serving a file instead of the directory). Hm.. Interesting. Then I won't have to hack the configuration to get pre-compressed sites. ;) |
| 16:53.23 | mjr | sure it does that too |
| 16:53.56 | mjr | (in effect, the .gz file _is_ accessed without its ending...) |
| 16:56.28 | haakeyar | Yeah, but the .gz file is only served if it recieves a Accept-Encoding: gzip-header, right? I thought it was "dumber". |
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| 16:59.22 | mjr | anyway, SpeedEvil had good ideas about how to improve web browsing further than just compressing pages, using a large shared cache on the phone and a proxy server and transmitting changed portions. Hopefully someone (TM) gets around to that |
| 17:00.01 | morricone | http://www.digitimes.com/telecom/a20080218PD213.html , thanks openmoko for posting this to the announce list ... |
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| 17:03.20 | zedstar | anyone used gconf i was trying simple example on gnome site but not sure compile flags to pk-config? |
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| 17:17.29 | Robin__ | Hello All |
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| 17:18.37 | Robin__ | Can somebody help me with GPSD from OpenMoko?? |
| 17:19.33 | zedstar | wots problem? |
| 17:20.00 | Robin__ | Can I use it on my Zaurus if I have a GPRS/GSM PCMCIA Card in there? |
| 17:20.32 | zedstar | huh? |
| 17:20.46 | Robin__ | there is a Program on open moko |
| 17:20.49 | zedstar | u wanna connect to the gps on the Neo from your zaurus? |
| 17:20.59 | Robin__ | Called GSMD or something like that |
| 17:21.09 | zedstar | oh... telnet gpsd yeh |
| 17:21.14 | Robin__ | And its there for calling and sending texts |
| 17:21.33 | cjb_ie | gpsd and gsmd are nothing to do with each other... |
| 17:21.42 | Robin__ | I ment the gsmd |
| 17:21.44 | Robin__ | sorry |
| 17:21.46 | Robin__ | anyhow |
| 17:21.48 | Sup3rkiddo | libgsmd-tool |
| 17:21.52 | mjr | probably you mostly can |
| 17:22.06 | zedstar | ah ok bit different question then! |
| 17:22.08 | Robin__ | I want to beable to call with my PDA. I have a GSM PMCIA card in there so |
| 17:22.29 | cjb_ie | voice calls? |
| 17:22.42 | Robin__ | yea |
| 17:22.42 | mjr | you'd have to have a different voice calling program |
| 17:22.51 | mjr | since in the neo the audio goes through analog channels |
| 17:22.58 | Robin__ | Damn, I cant find anything and stuff.. :/ |
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| 17:29.47 | doughnut42 | i'm using the MokoMakefile to build packages & images. i did an update yesterday and my build started failing. from what i can tell its because the kernel was bumped to 2.6.24 from 2.6.22 since my last update. the build appears to be failing when trying to fetch the default kernel config from http://svn.openmoko.org/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/config at revision 3801 but that path doesn't exist at revision 3801. its using |
| 17:29.47 | doughnut42 | e/sane-srcrevs.inc has this line in it: |
| 17:29.47 | doughnut42 | SRCREV_pn-linux-openmoko ?= "3801" |
| 17:29.49 | doughnut42 | i blew away my monotone file and the openembedded directory and reran "make setup" to reconstruct them. same result. |
| 17:29.52 | doughnut42 | any suggestions for resolving this? |
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| 18:00.59 | inwoo | doughnut42, i'm having the same problem as you ... |
| 18:01.15 | inwoo | doughnut42, however, i also do not have a resolution at this point. |
| 18:03.52 | doughnut42 | inwoo: i'm thinking it might be enough to bump up the revision number in sane-srcrevs.inc but that would be a temporary solution. also i don't know which next revision would be stable. i'll mess around with it and see what works. |
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| 18:05.18 | inwoo | doughnut42, i've tried that to a degree, and using an later svn revision #, however, i would run into huge build issues from that point on |
| 18:05.32 | doughnut42 | hmm |
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| 18:39.26 | hrw|gone | http://blog.haerwu.biz/2008/02/19/i-am-dad-now/ |
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| 18:39.57 | dennda | is that you, hrw|gone? |
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| 18:42.10 | haakeyar | hrw|gone: Congratulations! :-) |
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| 18:49.18 | dennda | congrats then |
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| 19:00.17 | jamewill | ping inwoo |
| 19:00.20 | jamewill | ping doughnut42 |
| 19:00.33 | inwoo | hello |
| 19:00.53 | jamewill | inwoo, hi |
| 19:01.06 | jamewill | mickeyl answered your build prob today at 13:30 |
| 19:01.10 | jamewill | check logs |
| 19:01.17 | inwoo | o rly? ... i'll check thanks |
| 19:01.38 | jamewill | inwoo, well maybe :-) |
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| 19:05.28 | inwoo | jamewill, seeing if it will build now ... |
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| 19:11.56 | inwoo | jamewill, thanks, it seems like it's building ;D |
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| 19:12.10 | inwoo | i wonder why that sane-srcrevs didn't get updated |
| 19:12.16 | jamewill | inwoo, coolio |
| 19:13.03 | inwoo | anyone know if this they fixed the microsd bug yet? |
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| 19:15.33 | kdean06 | inwoo, I don't know yet, but I plan to find out by the end of the day... I'm so behind on my reviews. :( |
| 19:16.00 | inwoo | kdean06, thanks for the update . |
| 19:16.20 | kdean06 | IIRC the driver was rolled back from an older kernel, but I wasn't exactly paying attention. :P |
| 19:16.47 | inwoo | kdean06, alright i'll give it ago, who knows it might just work for me... |
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| 19:17.57 | inwoo | seems like a patch was done on rev 4080, damn it ...i'm building 4079 :x |
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| 19:18.02 | inwoo | time to rebuild. |
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| 19:25.56 | thomasg__ | I just updated from 2.6.22 to 2.6.24 and now the partitions on my microSDHC aren't recognized. anyone with the same problems? |
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| 19:30.46 | kdean06 | thomasg__, 2.6.24 has no (working) SD capability due to a bug. |
| 19:31.08 | thomasg__ | good to know |
| 19:31.09 | kdean06 | I believe there MIGHT be a fix in SVN that's like... less than 8 hours old, but there also may not be, if I misunderstood. |
| 19:31.39 | thomasg__ | hm, damn, I don't like downgrading :) |
| 19:31.43 | thomasg__ | thanks for the info |
| 19:31.58 | kdean06 | thomasg__, It's not downgrading if doing so gives you more features and greater stability. :) |
| 19:32.41 | thomasg__ | yeah, but my buildhost ran out of disk space, so I can't use svn and have to wait on (daily) builds |
| 19:32.56 | kdean06 | thomasg__, I review the official daily snapshot images and you can find those reviews -> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:SnapshotReview |
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| 19:33.30 | kdean06 | I've not done one recently, life's been hectic this weekend with out of town guests. |
| 19:33.32 | thomasg__ | yeah, I've seen it on the ml |
| 19:33.36 | kdean06 | But I should have one again today. :) |
| 19:33.48 | kdean06 | Which probably won't be much of an improvement, since there's no new kernel. :P |
| 19:33.49 | inwoo | thomasg__, seems like there is a patch that addresses that bug, but seems untested at this moment.... i'm curious to try |
| 19:34.13 | thomasg__ | inwoo, I'd try if someone gave me the uImage :) |
| 19:34.39 | inwoo | thomasg__, want to try? have a place i can upload a build image? |
| 19:34.59 | thomasg__ | you can send it via dcc or mail if you want |
| 19:35.32 | inwoo | dcc works for me |
| 19:35.55 | thomasg | ok, I'm identified, give it a try |
| 19:36.01 | inwoo | rebuilding the kernel atm... |
| 19:36.23 | inwoo | gimme a sec |
| 19:36.36 | thomasg | just tell me when you're ready, it's not that urgent :) |
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| 19:45.44 | inwoo | thomasg, i just tried my image, and doens't work yet.... :-/ |
| 19:46.24 | thomasg | what a pitty :( |
| 19:46.41 | thomasg | well, if you finally have a working version, it would be nice if you'd let me know |
| 19:47.45 | inwoo | thomasg, sure. |
| 19:47.55 | thomasg | thanks |
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| 19:56.50 | wurp2 | kdean06, thomasg: I thought someone checked in a patch to fix sd on 2.6.24 a couple of days ago... |
| 19:57.17 | wurp2 | I haven't seen a build since then, but I never look for a build any more until after I see kdean06's review on it :-) |
| 19:57.48 | kdean06 | I haven't been following the kernel list since there's very little I actually understand on that list, however I think there are a few seperate issues with SD in 24. |
| 19:58.37 | wurp2 | ah |
| 19:58.53 | wurp2 | This was a checkin report I saw in this channel on 2/14, I think |
| 19:59.26 | wurp2 | It just said "fixes the bug with reading sd in 2.6.24" (or it might have been "a bug") or something to that effect |
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| 20:05.40 | mjr | was that the patch that caused sd corruption? :] |
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| 20:10.28 | wurp2 | mjr: I have no idea... I haven't even updated since then |
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| 20:33.29 | doughnut42 | jamewill: thanks, trying that now |
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| 20:36.29 | zdanek | hello all |
| 20:36.58 | zdanek | did anybody use ScummVM? |
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| 20:40.56 | zdanek | some kind of cemetery |
| 20:41.02 | CM | I tried that thing mickeyl said earlier about the scrrevs but it didn't work.. Still get that kernel missing erro |
| 20:41.05 | CM | r |
| 20:41.22 | CM | zdanek: Yes, scummvm works fine, look in the wiki :) |
| 20:41.32 | zdanek | some time ago this channel was alive :p |
| 20:41.56 | zdanek | CM: but I cannot play sound |
| 20:42.34 | zdanek | once I did some tricks and it played |
| 20:42.50 | zdanek | but only one time, and now I cannot repeat it successfuly |
| 20:43.02 | CM | I've had a lot of sound problems lately, and now I can't even build the rootfs |
| 20:43.16 | zdanek | I'm sorry |
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| 20:44.22 | zdanek | it's weird because it sometimes uses /dev/dsp1 |
| 20:44.34 | zdanek | I did symlink from /dev/dsp |
| 20:44.40 | zdanek | and it almost worked |
| 20:44.52 | zdanek | then I set SDL_AUDIODRIVER |
| 20:45.00 | zdanek | and it played sound! |
| 20:45.04 | zdanek | it was today |
| 20:45.10 | zdanek | but only once |
| 20:45.22 | zdanek | now I cannot do it again, damn :( |
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| 20:48.25 | anrp | maybe something else is using it |
| 20:48.28 | anrp | the dsp device |
| 20:48.37 | anrp | ..unless alsa is set up to multiplex oss emulation |
| 20:48.56 | zdanek | anrp: but I didn't change any config |
| 20:49.07 | zdanek | how can I obtain alsa's state? |
| 20:49.08 | anrp | did you run something else that might use sound |
| 20:49.09 | anrp | though |
| 20:49.13 | anrp | fuser /dev/dsp maybe |
| 20:49.32 | zdanek | only X windows with their "click" sound ;) |
| 20:49.55 | zdanek | nope - no user using dsp |
| 20:50.26 | zdanek | scummvm sometimes complain on startup that it doesn't have /dev/dsp1 |
| 20:50.32 | anrp | permissions? |
| 20:50.36 | zdanek | so you have to make symlink |
| 20:50.48 | zdanek | but it doesn't print it anymore |
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| 20:50.57 | zdanek | even where there''s no such file |
| 20:51.06 | zdanek | I'm root |
| 20:51.09 | zdanek | on neo |
| 20:51.29 | zdanek | but "others" can't read |
| 20:51.35 | zdanek | I'll check that |
| 20:53.58 | zdanek | anrp: no, it's not a permissions problem |
| 20:54.05 | zdanek | still nothing |
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| 20:56.51 | zdanek | anybody has any experience with SDL_AUDIODRIVER env variable? |
| 20:57.07 | zdanek | maybe it depends on something?\ |
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| 22:25.38 | kdub432 | will the phone work in the US? |
| 22:25.57 | KrisAbsinthe | Depends if your in a GSM 850 area or not |
| 22:26.01 | kdean06 | My Neo1973 works in the US. |
| 22:26.47 | kdub432 | i imagine cdma is out of the question? |
| 22:26.53 | KrisAbsinthe | right |
| 22:27.31 | kdub432 | well, so long, sprint!... :-D |
| 22:27.48 | KrisAbsinthe | in ohio I only have at&t T-Mobile and Cincinnati bell wireless that is GSM |
| 22:29.33 | kdub432 | KrisAbsinthe: yeah, i think verizon and sprint are still cdma... |
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| 22:29.55 | KrisAbsinthe | Yup |
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| 22:30.25 | KrisAbsinthe | I had sprint once, dropped them when I went to DC and my phone didnt work. I though it was absurd |
| 22:30.56 | KrisAbsinthe | Anyone want to cross compile some code? |
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| 22:52.24 | cesarb | I think my UPS batteries are not that good anymoew |
| 22:52.31 | cesarb | s/anymoew/anymore/ |
| 22:53.11 | cesarb | Two small power faults of ~1s duration, with ~5s between them, should NOT make it turn off automatically |
| 22:53.47 | cesarb | (and it turned off on the _second_ power fault instead of at the first, so it's not completely nonworking) |
| 22:54.12 | KrisAbsinthe | arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi-gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1': execvp: No such file or directory any ideas? |
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| 22:55.54 | cesarb | KrisAbsinthe: probably means your cross-compiler is broken |
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| 22:57.19 | KrisAbsinthe | cesarb: crap, i should redo with mokomakefile? |
| 22:57.57 | KrisAbsinthe | cesarb: im trying to compile a terminal app to emulate HID any easy way of making the moko act as one? |
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| 22:58.19 | cesarb | KrisAbsinthe: if you are compiling outside bitbake/oe, some environment variables might be missing |
| 22:58.49 | cesarb | KrisAbsinthe: I had a ridiculously long command line to compile the kernel outside OE, which I just lost in this power fault :P |
| 22:59.06 | KrisAbsinthe | cesarb: That sucks |
| 22:59.23 | cesarb | KrisAbsinthe: the easiest way would be to look at the temporary files bitbake uses and check which environment variables you might need |
| 22:59.36 | zedstar_ | u could get the toolchain also if u dont wanna use the tools built from mokomakefile |
| 22:59.50 | cesarb | KrisAbsinthe: well, it was mostly a five-line PATH variable, so it's not that big of a loss ;-) |
| 23:00.52 | zedstar_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Toolchain |
| 23:01.15 | zedstar_ | not tried as i use the tools built from mokomakefile but is another option if u dont wanna build them |
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