| 00:01.06 | inwoo | hrm, seems like the least path of resistance is to get a more recent version of busybox onto moko... |
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| 00:08.52 | cesarb | inwoo: or perhaps stop using busybox and use the GNU tools like everyone else ;-) |
| 00:10.25 | SpeedEvil | It's only got 64M of base ROM |
| 00:10.27 | SpeedEvil | ... |
| 00:12.17 | jamewill_ | inwoo, there is something in one of the buglog reports (MickeyL?) about busybox coming soon,..... |
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| 00:12.45 | mwester | It's too bloated as is; we should be using busybox whereever possible, and limit the full GNU apps to the set required for the (few) key apps for the phone. |
| 00:12.55 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: it was a joke, in case you didn't notice ;-) |
| 00:13.20 | mwester | Things like gpsd can go on the SD card, along with the full nc utility (who ever uses NC??) |
| 00:15.22 | mwester | So now we get twice the work to *remove* crap, 'cause we all know that it's far far harder to take stuff out than it would have been to have turned it into an ipkg install in the first place... |
| 00:15.51 | cesarb | mwester: one tends to ask "why o why" a lot when working with OE ;-) |
| 00:16.09 | mwester | But I'm just ranting, because right now the SD card is unusable with the new kernel, so it's a moot point! ;) |
| 00:16.43 | mjr | that's handy! |
| 00:21.35 | inwoo | cesarb, is there a bb package for the the full gnu tools? or a ipkg? |
| 00:22.53 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 00:22.58 | SpeedEvil | ipkg install err |
| 00:23.08 | SpeedEvil | ipkg install binutils? |
| 00:23.23 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: more like coreutils... |
| 00:23.28 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 00:24.34 | inwoo | got ya. |
| 00:26.47 | mwester | Well, it depends on the tool you're looking for. coreutils is good, procps has a lot of others that folks find valuable. |
| 00:27.34 | mwester | inetutils actually builds, but I don't know that it's in the feeds for the neo... |
| 00:27.39 | inwoo | wait , seems like ipkg is having some "already registered" errors, do i need to remove busybox? |
| 00:27.58 | inwoo | for insatlling coreutils? |
| 00:29.49 | mwester | Oh, don't try to uninstall busybox; bad things will happen. You might be able to tell ipkg to force the install overtop the busybox symlinks. |
| 00:30.03 | inwoo | ah |
| 00:30.14 | inwoo | i can't seem to find updated nc in coreutils.... :-/ |
| 00:30.18 | mwester | But if the behavior is different in a manner that would cause the startup scripts to fail, doing that may render your neo unbootable. :( |
| 00:30.33 | mwester | No, I don't think nc is in coreutils. I can't find it in inetutils either. |
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| 00:31.05 | mwester | nc is also called netcat |
| 00:31.25 | inwoo | i know that atleast 1.7 busybox has an updated version of nc i'm looking for.... but seems like it installed 1.2.0.... anyway to get that to build? since all the bitbake files seem to be in place for a newer version? |
| 00:32.20 | mwester | You would have to set the preferred version to select the newer busybox version. then you would need to debug the boot and anything else that would fail because of changes or bugs in the new busybox. |
| 00:32.52 | inwoo | mwester, where is that set? |
| 00:33.02 | mwester | Busybox has a bad repuation for introducing a new set of major bugs with each new version, and since busybox utilities are central to the boot process itself, these bugs often manifest as images that won't boot. |
| 00:33.22 | mwester | inwoo: somewhere in your build tree. grep for "busybox" |
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| 00:34.41 | inwoo | i'll probably just end up building the latest nc, and scp-ing it over, and call it a day.. for now |
| 00:34.42 | mwester | inwoo: it would be safer if you just tried to build netcat. |
| 00:35.07 | inwoo | as a new bitbake? |
| 00:35.15 | mmontour | Busybox is up to 1.9.1 in bleeding-edge OE |
| 00:35.44 | Marcel_M | hi inwoo you can try http://celtune.morb-design.com/ipk/armv4t/netcat_0.7.1-r1_armv4t.ipk |
| 00:35.58 | inwoo | Marcel_M, woot.. i'll try that |
| 00:37.37 | inwoo | works great!... |
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| 00:37.47 | Marcel_M | inwoo: cool :) |
| 00:37.47 | inwoo | donno why i couldn't find that before~ |
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| 01:10.24 | inwoo | Marcel_M, Seems like this netcat can't send any datagrams :-/ |
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| 01:20.26 | Marcel_M | inwoo: sorry did't know that :( |
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| 01:22.59 | inwoo | Marcel_M, that's all good... heh i'm going to just build busybox 1.7.2 ;-) |
| 01:24.55 | Marcel_M | :) |
| 01:32.19 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03werner * r4063 10/trunk/src/host/norwp/ (. Makefile README norwp.c): |
| 01:32.19 | CIA-23 | openmoko: norwp is a small utility to set and query the GTA02's NOR_WP line through the |
| 01:32.19 | CIA-23 | openmoko: debug v3 board. |
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| 03:28.14 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03werner * r4064 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/pcf50633.patch: (log message trimmed) |
| 03:28.14 | CIA-23 | openmoko: fix-pcf50633-use-second-as-initial-kick.patch |
| 03:28.14 | CIA-23 | openmoko: From: Andy Green <andy@openmoko.com> |
| 03:28.14 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Enable the SECOND 1Hz interrupt at probetime so the work function |
| 03:28.14 | CIA-23 | openmoko: gets an initial kick and deals with coldplug. |
| 03:28.16 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Move coldplug to work function. |
| 03:28.20 | CIA-23 | openmoko: fix-pcf50633-charger-type-detect.patch |
| 03:33.30 | wurp2|away | inwoo: Wouldn't it be easier and smaller to create a little C program that sends udp? |
| 03:33.57 | wurp2 | I would think you could find such on the web if you're not a C hacker and unwilling to waste the time fiddling with it |
| 03:34.17 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03werner * r4065 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/pcf506xx.patch: (log message trimmed) |
| 03:34.17 | CIA-23 | openmoko: fix-pcf50606-coldplug-usb-presence-and-second-kick.patch |
| 03:34.17 | CIA-23 | openmoko: From: Andy Green <andy@openmoko.com> |
| 03:34.17 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Take care to notice adapter state on boot |
| 03:34.17 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Signed-off-by: Andy Green <andy@openmoko.com> |
| 03:34.19 | CIA-23 | openmoko: --- |
| 03:34.23 | CIA-23 | openmoko: drivers/i2c/chips/pcf50606.c | 28 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++- |
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| 03:47.18 | Rahm | Is this error on my side? Unable to find repository location for 'http://svn.openmoko.org/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/config' in revision 3801 |
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| 05:04.14 | daMaestro | is there anything newer then: http://downloads.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.11/images/neo1973/ |
| 05:06.59 | daMaestro | hmm seems that is the latest official build |
| 05:08.02 | mmontour | There are daily snapshots on buildhost.openmoko.org, but some of the recent ones are broken due to the switch to the 2.6.24 kernel |
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| 05:49.06 | daMaestro | any reason we are shipping a broken /etc/ipkg/updates*conf ? |
| 05:49.38 | daMaestro | ScaredyCat, pig |
| 05:49.41 | daMaestro | ha ha.. sorry |
| 05:49.43 | daMaestro | ScaredyCat, ping* |
| 05:53.28 | daMaestro | well.. time to setup my own build system |
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| 05:57.46 | daMaestro | does anyone recommend x86_64 or 32bit as a build system? |
| 06:00.06 | mwester | 32 |
| 06:07.49 | raster | 7 |
| 06:11.21 | daMaestro | mwester, thanks. |
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| 06:15.23 | raster | 1 bit shy of a byte |
| 06:18.29 | raster | what on earth are you doing to your poor machine |
| 06:19.26 | mwester | running Vista? |
| 06:20.31 | daMaestro | well, mythtv is encoding video for me, i'm building a virtual machine for OM, watching the recordings from yesterday using Miro and am torrenting down the 32bit dvd for centos5, so i don't always have to netinstall off my local repo |
| 06:21.07 | daMaestro | oh, and migration LVM extents between drives |
| 06:22.33 | mwester | Well, the mythtv part is important, at least. It's a pity that mythtv is such a pig, though. :( |
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| 06:23.36 | daMaestro | well, i'm encoding twice, once to transcode out the commercials, then encode using nuvexport to send the bits out to my mythfrontends around the house |
| 06:23.59 | daMaestro | so, unless it's encoding... i barley notice mythtv |
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| 08:15.46 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:58.07 | TRIsoft | morning |
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| 09:03.33 | ScaredyCat | daMaestro: pong |
| 09:04.09 | daMaestro | ScaredyCat, heya |
| 09:04.24 | daMaestro | ScaredyCat, soooo.... why do you add armstrong via your repo? |
| 09:04.58 | daMaestro | ScaredyCat, also.. do you have any tips/tricks for automating builds? |
| 09:06.13 | ScaredyCat | 1 sec phone |
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| 09:13.01 | ScaredyCat | k |
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| 09:13.33 | ScaredyCat | so.. if you're building from the om branch then things should build ok, |
| 09:14.11 | ScaredyCat | if you do it from oe.dev like I do you have to be prepared for stuff to break and manually fix stuff |
| 09:16.56 | ScaredyCat | it's fairly simple to do... |
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| 09:56.52 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: last time I tried (in fact, the only time I've tried), the om branch was broken and didn't build, and the oe branch worked fine |
| 09:57.10 | cesarb | ScaredyCat: so I edited my mokomakefile to force it to always use the oe branch |
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| 10:09.42 | ScaredyCat | cesarb: I don;t use the om 'tested' branch either... |
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| 10:10.10 | ScaredyCat | ooo |
| 10:10.21 | ScaredyCat | openmoko-feed worked this time - finally |
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| 10:12.35 | zedstar | cant remember the name of that gpsd alternative that uses dbus...anyone know? |
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| 10:15.02 | zedstar | ah ok found... gypsy |
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| 10:19.26 | emdete | zedstar: pygsmd |
| 10:20.23 | zedstar | py as in python? is that uses dbus also? |
| 10:20.30 | emdete | yes |
| 10:20.59 | zedstar | so anything that talks dbus can talk to it |
| 10:21.01 | emdete | its a prototype and will implement the dbus api spec in the future |
| 10:21.06 | emdete | zedstar: yes. |
| 10:21.12 | emdete | fire at will ;) |
| 10:21.17 | zedstar | ok that is cool another option |
| 10:21.24 | emdete | bugreports to me |
| 10:21.32 | ScaredyCat | mmm.... he said good ... |
| 10:21.38 | ScaredyCat | good and python ? |
| 10:21.50 | ScaredyCat | good and lots of deps ? |
| 10:22.06 | emdete | currently i am playing around with gui stuff but when i get back to it i will implement sms, mms, wappush and the like |
| 10:22.18 | zedstar | assumes some python libraries shipped with device or end user must install for it to work? |
| 10:22.29 | emdete | ScaredyCat: ipkg remove -recurse gtk, after that everything's fine |
| 10:22.56 | emdete | zedstar: yes, ScaredyCat is right, it depends on a completly different stack of tools |
| 10:23.08 | ScaredyCat | the problem is space is short, the python settings gui is great ... it just needs to be in c or something with fewer deps |
| 10:23.10 | zedstar | are there plans to have somekind of default dependencies for python stuff? |
| 10:23.53 | emdete | ScaredyCat: the trick is to remove the om gui. that makes alot of space |
| 10:24.00 | ScaredyCat | I hope not zedstar |
| 10:24.14 | ScaredyCat | emdete: yes, but not a very useful phone |
| 10:24.20 | emdete | zedstar: 'default' means om? |
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| 10:24.37 | emdete | ScaredyCat: oh, we develop a py based phone currently... |
| 10:24.46 | zedstar | well yeh as in not requiring to install lots of ipks to get one program working |
| 10:24.49 | emdete | ScaredyCat: go away with that crap!! |
| 10:25.44 | zedstar | it would seem a bit crazy to have to install a load of ipks to get a simple dbus service running i must admit |
| 10:25.46 | emdete | zedstar: we use e* as gui. i personally don't like e but it is small & fast. a dialer is under way and a keyboard entry |
| 10:25.47 | ScaredyCat | zedstar: surely you ould knock up a little c app with dbus interface to talk to the gps |
| 10:26.10 | emdete | zedstar: yes you are right pyneo-stuff is a different aproach |
| 10:26.20 | zedstar | scaredycat yeh im thinking of that there is one though already which looks kind of cool |
| 10:26.44 | zedstar | http://folks.o-hand.com/iain/gypsy/ |
| 10:27.01 | ScaredyCat | looking |
| 10:27.01 | emdete | zedstar: oh, o got you wrong - gps. gypsy is probably what you are looking for... right? |
| 10:27.11 | emdete | ah.. :D |
| 10:27.14 | zedstar | yeh! |
| 10:27.36 | zedstar | currently i just telnet to gpsd and poll which is kinda naff |
| 10:27.46 | zedstar | not telnet |
| 10:27.46 | ScaredyCat | bluez dep ? wtf is that about |
| 10:27.51 | zedstar | i mean use tcp |
| 10:28.13 | zedstar | hmm yeh support to talk to bluetooth gps devices |
| 10:28.20 | zedstar | not really what we need |
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| 10:30.27 | ScaredyCat | mm. not sure I agree with gypsy author on the usefulness of remote access to gspd |
| 10:30.43 | ScaredyCat | just becasue [s]he can't see uses doesn't mean they don;t exist |
| 10:31.10 | zedstar | remote access? as in connecting from outside localhost? |
| 10:31.28 | ScaredyCat | I'm curious as to why developers always seem to think that everythin anyone else ever does is crap and they are the only ones who can code |
| 10:31.36 | ScaredyCat | zedstar: yes |
| 10:32.06 | zedstar | yeh remote access not much use....i mean u can put your gpsd server on the net but why!!! there are some |
| 10:32.20 | zedstar | i was using for testing until i say gpsfake |
| 10:32.23 | zedstar | saw |
| 10:33.18 | ScaredyCat | well, you can actually use it for time sync too |
| 10:33.32 | zedstar | atomic clock! |
| 10:33.45 | ScaredyCat | there's also the assumption that the 'server' is static |
| 10:34.07 | ScaredyCat | a gps device is cheaper than a pc connected atomic clock |
| 10:34.15 | zedstar | the ones i connected to where kinda of kewl as up on roofs with some embedded type board |
| 10:34.39 | zedstar | they are listed on the gpsd homepage |
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| 10:34.45 | zedstar | but seem to be down last time i tried |
| 10:35.35 | zedstar | i remember reading though that gpsd was supporting dbus now anyway/ |
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| 10:38.28 | zedstar | ok that would be good.....be nice just a simple dbus interface for coordinates without requiring to poll something |
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| 10:41.46 | zedstar | im thinking of going to a barcamp coming up next month in london and looking for something to other than drink the free booze so was looking at some dbus options |
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| 11:10.16 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03erin_yueh * r4067 10/trunk/src/target/gsm/ (6 files in 5 dirs): gsmd: add retrieving phone info (Erin Yueh) |
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| 12:38.39 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03werner * r4068 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/boot-menu.patch: |
| 12:38.39 | CIA-23 | openmoko: We don't need to hard-code the "factory reset" option. Just having it in |
| 12:38.39 | CIA-23 | openmoko: the environment will work as well. (Unless the environment is too badly |
| 12:38.39 | CIA-23 | openmoko: messed up.) |
| 12:38.39 | CIA-23 | openmoko: board/neo1973/common/bootmenu.c (factory_reset, neo1973_bootmenu): removed |
| 12:38.39 | CIA-23 | openmoko: hard-coded "factory reset" default |
| 12:42.58 | rwhitby | Hmm - wonder what you do when the environment is too badly messed up, and you don't have access to a host running dfu-util ... |
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| 12:54.36 | balrog-kun | rwhitby: can you get a u-boot console or linux booting? |
| 12:55.28 | rwhitby | balrog-kun: I don't have the problem, I was thinking hypothetically in response to the most recent checkin by werner. |
| 12:55.54 | balrog-kun | oh |
| 12:56.20 | balrog-kun | afaik the factory-reset wasn't implemented in the end |
| 13:04.44 | mickey|flu | factory reset was slightly misleading |
| 13:04.54 | mickey|flu | it was merely a way to signalize userland that we need to clean up something |
| 13:05.39 | mickey|flu | we could use a proper way to sanitize a messed up environment, but that's another story |
| 13:07.12 | mickey|flu | unfortunately we can't easily copy a fresh one over |
| 13:07.21 | mickey|flu | since some parts of the environment is device specific |
| 13:07.25 | mickey|flu | s/is/are/ |
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| 13:20.31 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03werner * r4069 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta01-pcf50606.patch: (log message trimmed) |
| 13:20.31 | CIA-23 | openmoko: From: Andrew Paulsen <andrew.paulsen@gmail.com> |
| 13:20.31 | CIA-23 | openmoko: The battery temperature measurement did not work since it incorrectly |
| 13:20.32 | CIA-23 | openmoko: assumed that there is a 10k resistor in parallel with the thermistor. This |
| 13:20.32 | CIA-23 | openmoko: patch should fix it. |
| 13:20.35 | CIA-23 | openmoko: This is the Scilab script used to calculate the table: |
| 13:20.37 | CIA-23 | openmoko: // Resistance at room temperature |
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| 13:56.42 | ScaredyCat | mmm... isn't that the whole point of the factory reset ? |
| 13:57.17 | ScaredyCat | oopsy |
| 13:57.22 | ScaredyCat | lag / l og |
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| 14:02.11 | Mononoke | :P |
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| 14:10.36 | mickey|flu | oh so true |
| 14:10.52 | mickey|flu | i got the virus from my wife |
| 14:10.55 | mickey|flu | dunno where she got it from |
| 14:11.07 | mickey|flu | public transportation probably |
| 14:11.08 | mickey|flu | too many humans |
| 14:13.50 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03werner * r4070 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (8 files): (log message trimmed) |
| 14:13.50 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Merge neo1973-gsmver.patch into uboot-20061030-neo1973.patch, where |
| 14:13.50 | CIA-23 | openmoko: the rest of the neo1973 commands are. |
| 14:13.50 | CIA-23 | openmoko: uboot-20061030-neo1973.patch: merged neo1973-gsmver.patch |
| 14:13.50 | CIA-23 | openmoko: neo1973-gsmver.patch, series: removed neo1973-gsmver.patch |
| 14:13.52 | CIA-23 | openmoko: uboot-s3c2410_udc.patch, boot-menu.patch: |
| 14:13.54 | CIA-23 | openmoko: - board/neo1973/gta01/Makefile: updated for neo1973-gsmver.patch move |
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| 14:27.43 | balrog-kun | mickey|flu: i know my gta01 charges the bl-5c |
| 14:28.10 | mickey|flu | for sure? |
| 14:28.23 | balrog-kun | and using the gta01 as my only charger for it |
| 14:28.26 | mickey|flu | interesting |
| 14:28.29 | mickey|flu | good, actually |
| 14:28.46 | balrog-kun | it just doesn't last very long |
| 14:28.52 | mickey|flu | well, 850mA |
| 14:29.14 | balrog-kun | i think three hours was the maximum battery life i saw |
| 14:29.19 | balrog-kun | until recently |
| 14:29.24 | balrog-kun | so this was very annoying :) |
| 14:29.28 | mickey|flu | *nod* |
| 14:29.38 | mickey|flu | we'll have to see how much of the PM improvements actually have an effect for 01 |
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| 14:30.18 | balrog-kun | yup |
| 14:30.20 | SpeedEvil | mickey|flu: it's at least quite substantial. |
| 14:30.40 | SpeedEvil | mickey|flu: I've had my neo using under 100mA at 100MHz |
| 14:30.51 | SpeedEvil | Which is a battery life of 12h. |
| 14:31.00 | SpeedEvil | (screen off) |
| 14:31.10 | mickey|flu | whew |
| 14:31.13 | SpeedEvil | And not really trying. |
| 14:31.15 | mickey|flu | that's quite amazing |
| 14:31.31 | tonyg_ | SpeedEvil, that's a non-mainstream kernel, right? |
| 14:31.32 | mickey|flu | what is not working w/ 100MhZ?= |
| 14:31.54 | SpeedEvil | mickey|flu: that was simply selecting 100Mhz mode in u-boot, and turning down the core voltage to 1.8V |
| 14:32.08 | SpeedEvil | Not actually with the cesar b patches |
| 14:32.09 | balrog-kun | SpeedEvil: wow that's very cool |
| 14:32.12 | mickey|flu | SpeedEvil: oooh |
| 14:32.24 | mickey|flu | SpeedEvil: can you add that to the wiki? |
| 14:32.26 | SpeedEvil | With those it should be a fair bit better. |
| 14:32.37 | mickey|flu | SpeedEvil: btw., did you ever receive that debug board? |
| 14:32.41 | SpeedEvil | I'm going to be doing more current testing romorrow. |
| 14:32.52 | SpeedEvil | mickey|flu: yes, I did, thanks. |
| 14:32.56 | mickey|flu | np |
| 14:33.39 | tonyg_ | SpeedEvil, how did you turn the screen off? (I assume you mean off, not just zero-brightness) |
| 14:33.57 | SpeedEvil | It wasn't actually off on reflection |
| 14:34.01 | SpeedEvil | so that'd save more power. |
| 14:34.44 | balrog-kun | oh, one more thing, with the bl-5c the battery life of 3h was when it was connected to USB |
| 14:34.48 | SpeedEvil | I've got a power test setup back up, so I can do better testing tomorrow. |
| 14:35.49 | mickey|flu | coolness, please report your findings. |
| 14:38.10 | SpeedEvil | Will do. |
| 14:38.17 | mickey|flu | great |
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| 15:11.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1231 has been created by gavin8or(AT)gmail.com |
| 15:11.01 | cdbot2 | * * GSM850 doesn't work |
| 15:11.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1231 |
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| 15:20.44 | mohamed | hi all, does any one knows when they will start shop again at openmoko? |
| 15:20.58 | SpeedEvil | The website is down? |
| 15:21.26 | thomasg_ | no it isn't |
| 15:21.31 | thomasg_ | it just says "Sold out" |
| 15:21.53 | SpeedEvil | Hmm |
| 15:22.03 | thomasg_ | sold out means there are no more gta01 to sell, so the shop will be opened again when gta02 is available - what will be somewhen in the future :) |
| 15:23.11 | *** topic/#openmoko by SpeedEvil -> http://openmoko.org/ New version is the FreeRunner (with WiFi...) maybe due March. Official status: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Community_Updates |
| 15:23.28 | SpeedEvil | thomasg_: is that official - no more gta01? |
| 15:24.33 | thomasg_ | SpeedEvil, not "really official" afaik, but it was on the list, that it is nearby sold out and there won't be another production run |
| 15:25.20 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 15:25.43 | SpeedEvil | Pity in a way. It'd have been nice as an entry level platform. |
| 15:26.06 | thomasg_ | too many bugs/problems I guess |
| 15:26.21 | SpeedEvil | Are there any major bugs? |
| 15:26.25 | SpeedEvil | Other than 850? |
| 15:26.27 | thomasg_ | it's not really known |
| 15:26.39 | mwester | Death by 10,000 paper cuts. |
| 15:26.41 | SpeedEvil | I've not seen notice of any. |
| 15:26.43 | thomasg_ | imho most is software, but nobody knows |
| 15:27.06 | thomasg_ | it's also not known how well the powermanagement will work and some other things |
| 15:27.44 | mwester | The GTA01 needs the sort of love and care that is currently be lavished on the GTA02 (rightly so). It's just unlikely that a bunch of hackers in the community without bench equipment, schematics, and the full datasheets for the GTA01 and components will be able to do ti. |
| 15:29.07 | SpeedEvil | do what? |
| 15:29.17 | SpeedEvil | Other than the GPS, there isn't really much undocumented. |
| 15:29.29 | mwester | (just look at what happened to the opensource driver for the GPS in the GTA01, once it became known that said chip would not be used in the GTA02 -- there just aren't enough of the GTA01 devices for folks to spend the necessary effort to work out all the little problems.) |
| 15:29.35 | SpeedEvil | The software for powersaving is largely written. |
| 15:29.47 | SpeedEvil | And there is much commonality in it between 1 and 2. |
| 15:30.19 | mwester | Have you been following the discussion on the kernel mailing list? Do you really think that the set of issues being discussed there right now were discussed and resolved in that detail for the GTA01's PMU chip? |
| 15:31.06 | thomasg_ | SpeedEvil, like I said, nobody really knows. as michael shiloh mentioned on the mailinglist there are many hardware-fixes in gta02 but he don't know what fixes so nobody external seems to know what might be broken in gta01 or if only the software ist just not there |
| 15:31.08 | SpeedEvil | I'm basing my comments on the observed behaviour of the hardware. |
| 15:31.28 | mwester | Right. It's adequate. And I think that's where the GTA01 will stay. |
| 15:32.11 | mwester | We'll just have to live with a lot of other issues, many of which we don't even know about yet because userspace isn't ready for it. |
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| 15:33.22 | thomasg_ | well, I never expected gta01 to be my daily phone (even if I hoped), but that's not why I bought it. but I expect that from gta02, so let's see :) |
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| 15:43.14 | pancake | im having problems flashing a device.. |
| 15:43.24 | pancake | looks like it have some badblocks |
| 15:43.33 | pancake | and the rootfs is not flashed properly and doesnt boots fine |
| 15:43.49 | pancake | as im reading in the wiki, the flasher knows about badblocks and should skip |
| 15:43.56 | pancake | but,how can i perform a badblock check? |
| 15:46.00 | thomasg_ | this is flash, you can't check for badblocks, as the controller doesn't show them to you. but it also shoulnd't affect anything. guess nand erase (not of the bootloader!) could be what you're looking for |
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| 15:49.26 | pancake | how can i erase the flash without the uboot? |
| 15:49.39 | pancake | the device sometimes shutdowns...i think the battry is ok |
| 15:49.48 | pancake | is known that some devices have electrical problems? |
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| 15:56.39 | Ebbe | pancake: This is how you erase things beside uboot: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Flashing_openmoko#Actually_flashing_things_into_the_device (read bottom of the section) |
| 15:56.43 | pancake | dfu-util should show a KB/s nfo |
| 15:57.02 | anrp | if you're willing to do the math in your head, it does D: |
| 15:57.05 | anrp | but i agree |
| 15:57.11 | pancake | http://nopcode.org/0xFFFF/ |
| 15:57.19 | pancake | i do the code for my flasher |
| 15:57.24 | pancake | (for the nokia ones) |
| 15:57.34 | pancake | can be easily adapted to dfu |
| 15:57.40 | anrp | that's um an interesting name |
| 15:57.50 | pancake | :) |
| 15:58.00 | pancake | funny uh |
| 15:58.43 | pancake | Ebbe: thanks |
| 15:59.23 | anrp | i haven't found a binary for u-boot yet, but at least the one that's on my phone seems to work |
| 15:59.33 | pancake | btw |
| 15:59.42 | pancake | the new virtual keyboard of openmoko |
| 15:59.49 | pancake | doesnt have '/ (slash) char... |
| 15:59.57 | anrp | clearly it is unnecessary D: |
| 16:00.08 | pancake | its opssible to change the keyboard? |
| 16:00.35 | pancake | or i should ripout from the previous firmware? |
| 16:00.53 | Ebbe | pancake: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards |
| 16:01.10 | pancake | oks |
| 16:01.15 | Ebbe | :) |
| 16:01.26 | pancake | what i really miss is a graphical configuration tool |
| 16:01.35 | pancake | normal users dont want to use the terminal |
| 16:01.42 | pancake | to change the slepe time of the screen |
| 16:01.47 | pancake | or the time/date |
| 16:03.25 | Ebbe | pancake: I agree. It should be made before mass market |
| 16:04.31 | pancake | is there a place to brainstorm about |
| 16:04.37 | pancake | this? |
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| 16:05.26 | Ebbe | pancake: The mailing lists or the wiki.. or here :) |
| 16:05.33 | pancake | ok :) |
| 16:05.41 | pancake | i feel the dev too slow.. |
| 16:05.49 | pancake | how many devs are actively working? |
| 16:06.37 | pancake | whats the current focus? |
| 16:07.15 | Mononoke | pancake: all I can say from watching is: wanna join? they need people |
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| 16:08.35 | pancake | i have no time im a bit stressed nowadays |
| 16:08.46 | pancake | ill play with it and publish things probably |
| 16:08.58 | pancake | and depending on the time i'll join :) |
| 16:10.20 | Ebbe | Does anyone know what to do if the micro sd won't mount? "mount /media/card/" don't work, but my computer can read the card fine |
| 16:11.00 | pancake | what dmesg says? |
| 16:11.54 | Ebbe | Alot.. |
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| 16:12.08 | pancake | and related to the sd? |
| 16:12.27 | Ebbe | "VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev mmcblk0." |
| 16:12.35 | Ebbe | Maybe I should try and reformat it |
| 16:12.43 | mwester | Ebbe: Known problem with the 2.6.24 kernel |
| 16:12.48 | pancake | watch partitions |
| 16:12.49 | Ebbe | Ahh |
| 16:12.52 | pancake | maybe is blk1 |
| 16:12.53 | mwester | It's not a problem with your card or the formatting. |
| 16:13.12 | pancake | related to the size? |
| 16:13.21 | Ebbe | mwester: Will ext2 work better? |
| 16:13.25 | mwester | Nope. |
| 16:13.48 | mwester | The SD card is completely, totally, and thoroughly borked in the new kernel. |
| 16:13.52 | Ebbe | mwester: So I should downgrade my kernel? |
| 16:14.26 | mwester | If you need the SD card, you'll have to go back to an older image with the older kernel |
| 16:14.41 | mwester | (It's probably an easy fix, but nobody has really looked at it yet, I think). |
| 16:14.41 | pancake | anybody with a working vodafone gprs configuration? |
| 16:14.48 | Ebbe | I''' do that then |
| 16:18.10 | Ebbe | Ahh. Much better :) |
| 16:20.16 | pancake | nice, the nand erase worked fine :) |
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| 16:26.19 | pancake | btw how can i change the background clock? |
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| 16:29.27 | pancake | let me think and some time to drop my real-life stress to have time for them :) |
| 16:33.02 | pancake | btw, i dont know if nobody tell this before.. |
| 16:33.28 | ScaredyCat | change it to what? |
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| 16:33.50 | pancake | but "moko" is a bad commercial name for something to be selled in spain or so |
| 16:34.14 | SpeedEvil | We know. |
| 16:34.16 | adjaxio | Bonjour |
| 16:34.20 | pancake | ok :) |
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| 16:34.23 | pancake | np |
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| 16:34.59 | SpeedEvil | Spain is a fairly small portion of the worlds market, and whatever name you pick is going to mean something silly in some language. |
| 16:35.54 | ScaredyCat | isnt' that why most devices are numbers / letters |
| 16:35.58 | pancake | well. spain it is, but spanish is the third more talked language |
| 16:36.12 | buz | yeah but realistically most spanish speakers cant afford the phone |
| 16:36.27 | pancake | is this racism? |
| 16:36.30 | Mononoke | than who can afford it ? |
| 16:36.36 | buz | no, economics |
| 16:36.49 | Mononoke | no, stupidity :) |
| 16:36.54 | pancake | :) |
| 16:37.47 | buz | companies do seem to have a penchant for chosing names that have dumb meanings in spanish though |
| 16:37.53 | Mononoke | I would be more scared if someone doesn't have moko registrated as trademark or patent or whatever than meaning of word |
| 16:38.18 | buz | just because moko is trademarked doesnt mean you cant use openmoko |
| 16:39.37 | pancake | btw do you know that the world phone congress is in spain? |
| 16:39.58 | buz | yes |
| 16:40.49 | pancake | so, why all you think that we are stupid and poor? |
| 16:41.07 | buz | in what way does MOST mean ALL |
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| 16:41.28 | pancake | ok, s/all/most/g |
| 16:41.46 | buz | if you add latin america to spanish, it's probably the majority who cant afford the phone |
| 16:42.23 | pancake | yup i agree |
| 16:42.32 | pancake | but your replies looks rude |
| 16:42.32 | buz | that's basically what i was trying to say |
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| 16:42.57 | buz | statistics often do |
| 16:43.20 | pancake | real people isnt inside statistics |
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| 16:44.05 | pancake | well. stop this stupid discussion :) |
| 16:44.06 | buz | tell that to your insurance company |
| 16:44.26 | buz | agreed :P |
| 16:44.33 | buz | i apologize |
| 16:46.49 | buz | btw, i think mitsubishi pajero can't be beaten easily in terms of stupid product names |
| 16:47.06 | Ebbe | What does it mean? |
| 16:47.41 | buz | "However, the name Montero (meaning "mountain warrior") was adopted in Spanish language markets because Pajero is a slang term for "wanker".[3]" |
| 16:48.06 | anrp | oops D: |
| 16:48.12 | pancake | hahaha |
| 16:48.12 | Ebbe | Hehe |
| 16:48.16 | pancake | yup :) |
| 16:48.21 | pancake | seat laputa |
| 16:48.26 | pancake | "the whore" |
| 16:48.39 | buz | uhm? isnt seat even a spanish company??? |
| 16:48.55 | Mononoke | let's rename freeruner into openPerkele |
| 16:48.58 | pancake | hm..maybe isnt seat |
| 16:49.09 | buz | mazda |
| 16:49.19 | pancake | yeah sure |
| 16:49.21 | pancake | mazda :) |
| 16:49.41 | buz | lol, there was even a nissan moco |
| 16:49.44 | anrp | you sure about that? |
| 16:49.54 | pancake | hha |
| 16:49.54 | buz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Moco |
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| 16:50.37 | buz | looks like its not sold in europe tho |
| 16:51.47 | buz | Austin Nova was particularly aptly named as well |
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| 16:52.29 | buz | oh was chevy, not austin :P |
| 16:54.36 | pancake | where's the "jana_gtk_clock_new" symbol? |
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| 16:55.58 | pancake | only reference is in today-main and worldclock-main |
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| 17:01.29 | pancake | libjana..obviously.. |
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| 17:03.00 | summatusmentis | are we pretty thoroughly without any new news? |
| 17:03.05 | SpeedEvil | No |
| 17:03.11 | SpeedEvil | GTA01 has sold out |
| 17:03.34 | summatusmentis | and they're working on finishing up GTA02 right? |
| 17:04.17 | summatusmentis | I'm watching wiki/Community_Updates and the community mailing list, should I be looking elsewhere? |
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| 17:04.56 | kdean06 | SpeedEvil, How many units were produced? |
| 17:05.02 | SpeedEvil | dunno |
| 17:05.05 | pancake | http://blogs.gnome.org/thos/2007/10/25/new-stuff-in-openmoko-with-screenshots/ <- is this on the latst release? |
| 17:06.14 | pancake | wheres libjana? :X |
| 17:13.17 | pancake | is there a way to sync the openmoko contacts with the sim? |
| 17:15.01 | josch | hi! is it possible to create an svn server that contains my own branch of another svn project on a different server? is it possible so that I can keep this branch updated with the other svn AND my own changes? |
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| 17:24.09 | pancake | how can i add/remove applets? |
| 17:25.44 | kdean06 | ipkg install/remove package ? |
| 17:26.02 | kdean06 | Or are you referring specifically to the system tray applets? |
| 17:26.29 | jorgenpt | josch: You could make a script that polls revision on the remote, and applies the diff on your local branch :) |
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| 17:33.43 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03werner * r4071 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (glamo-mmc.patch glamo-regs.patch series): (log message trimmed) |
| 17:33.43 | CIA-23 | openmoko: glamo-mmc.patch: |
| 17:33.43 | CIA-23 | openmoko: introduce-uboot-glamo-mmc.patch |
| 17:33.43 | CIA-23 | openmoko: From: Andy Green <andy@openmoko.com> |
| 17:33.44 | CIA-23 | openmoko: This ports the Glamo MMC driver from Linux to U-Boot. |
| 17:33.46 | CIA-23 | openmoko: U-Boot is a lot less welcoming than Linux for MMC, you have |
| 17:33.48 | CIA-23 | openmoko: to do your own MMC stack as well as the driver. I took the |
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| 17:42.30 | pancake | http://news.nopcode.org/mokodwm.png :P |
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| 18:29.40 | inwoo | hrm... my make update doesn't seem to update the svn checkout version to a checkout that exists.... |
| 18:30.42 | inwoo | its tries to fetch package linux-openmoko-2.6.24+svnr3801-r3, which does not exist on the repository |
| 18:33.01 | inwoo | is there a way to do a really clean 'make update' |
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| 18:35.31 | Ebbe | How do I know which kernel to use? Right now I can't find a proper match with rootfs and kernel (don't want to use 2.6.24 yet) |
| 18:36.04 | inwoo | i think it's in the OE/packages/linux-openmoko.bb |
| 18:36.14 | inwoo | actually that doesn't answer your question! |
| 18:36.36 | inwoo | why not a 2.6.24 kernel? |
| 18:36.37 | Ebbe | Sorry? |
| 18:36.57 | Ebbe | Because then I can't use my micro sd |
| 18:37.59 | inwoo | my last kernel version was 2.6.22.5-moko11 |
| 18:38.05 | inwoo | and i'm using microsd |
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| 18:40.23 | Ebbe | inwoo: Yes, but if you'd upgrade to 2.6.24 you can't use microsd. A known bug |
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| 18:41.27 | inwoo | Ebbe, ah i see... |
| 18:41.32 | Ebbe | But the thing is I can't get any sound. I have a "snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device" when opening alsamixer. That is when kernel and rootfs don't match |
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| 18:42.24 | Ebbe | inwoo: Do you know which image you are using? |
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| 18:43.02 | inwoo | Ebbe, sorry i don't know, since i've been building my own images |
| 18:43.12 | Ebbe | inwoo: Okay |
| 18:43.34 | inwoo | I was unaware of the microsd bug, but in the repo, there is a patch for the mmc/sd driver 3889. |
| 18:43.41 | inwoo | not sure if that is the bug you were talking about |
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| 18:49.53 | kdean06 | Ebbe, You can visit http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Category:SnapshotReview to see the latest review I've written about the official daily snapshots. |
| 18:50.14 | kdean06 | Ebbe, The best image I'd suggest are the 11 Feb 2008 kernel (2.6.22) and rootfs. |
| 18:51.11 | Ebbe | kdean06: Great. Thanks :) |
| 18:51.51 | wurp2 | Ebbe: Unless you hate the multitap keyboard as much as I do |
| 18:52.19 | wurp2 | I'm running a 12/17 release :-( I'm sure there's a later one that doesn't have multitap, but I'm unwilling to go through the effort to hunt it down |
| 18:52.28 | Ebbe | wurp2: Well, I haven't really tried it yet |
| 18:52.38 | kdean06 | wurp2, Erin Yueh posted on the mailing list about how to remove it and install the matchbox-keyboard. I'd personally say the 11th image, with that done, is better than using an older image for the keyboard. |
| 18:52.40 | wurp2 | As long as you don't want to use the terminal, it's fine |
| 18:52.53 | wurp2 | Hmm, I somehow missed the Yueh post |
| 18:52.56 | kdean06 | Your writeup it... messy. :P |
| 18:53.09 | wurp2 | I wrote something on the wiki about switching, but it is ugly |
| 18:53.11 | inwoo | wurp2, is there a way of getting 2.6.24 to build? it tries to get svnr 3801, which doesn't exist. |
| 18:53.27 | wurp2 | inwoo: Sorry, I dunno anything about it :-( |
| 18:53.35 | kdean06 | It works, but you have to manually switch. Erin's replaces it with the keyboard and applet, so you don't have to force it open or kill it to shut it. |
| 18:53.47 | wurp2 | Erin shoulda updated the page! |
| 18:53.55 | wurp2 | I will find his post and do so |
| 18:54.14 | wurp2 | I have been yelling in here and on the page that someone who knows how to do that should do so |
| 18:54.25 | kdean06 | I've been meaning to. :P |
| 18:54.36 | wurp2 | Anyone know what list he posted to? |
| 18:54.38 | kdean06 | By I've been a bit busy, my in-laws are here this weekend. |
| 18:54.47 | kdean06 | wurp2, I'll find the list and actual massage in a second. |
| 18:55.24 | kdean06 | wurp2, Distro-devel on Feb 12th, title "Switch back to openmoko-keyboard" |
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| 18:56.23 | wurp2 | Ah, distro-devel, that would be why I didn't get it |
| 18:56.27 | wurp2 | I'll update the page |
| 18:56.32 | wurp2 | and my image :-) |
| 18:57.29 | kdean06 | I'd review the uBoot images if i had the balls or a debug board. :P |
| 18:57.33 | wurp2 | kdean06: Thanks! |
| 18:57.39 | kdean06 | No problem. |
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| 18:58.29 | wurp2 | I wasn't confident enough that I wouldn't break it but good to "ipkg remove -force-depends multitap-pad" |
| 19:00.18 | wurp2 | updated |
| 19:00.42 | CIA-23 | openmoko: 03werner * r4072 10/developers/werner/bin/ (11 files): |
| 19:00.42 | CIA-23 | openmoko: Just a few scripts I use. I put them here so that they follow me when |
| 19:00.42 | CIA-23 | openmoko: traveling. |
| 19:00.44 | wurp2 | I left my old instructions up there, because it is possible with them to keep the multitap input and be able to bring up matchbox instead when you want |
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| 19:18.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1232 has been created by tilman.klar(AT)gmx.de |
| 19:18.01 | cdbot2 | * * PIN authentication does not work |
| 19:18.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1232 |
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| 19:22.04 | paravoid | hi |
| 19:22.31 | paravoid | I recall reading about a gsm07.10 (mux) implementation in the kernel |
| 19:22.35 | paravoid | LaF0rge's blog I think |
| 19:22.42 | paravoid | any pointers on where I could get that? |
| 19:22.51 | paravoid | I searched in svn with no success |
| 19:24.52 | mwester | It hasn't been implemented AFAIK |
| 19:25.01 | mwester | (for the neo, that is) |
| 19:25.26 | mwester | Try searching the wiki for references to the code outside of the project... |
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| 19:35.02 | paravoid | mwester: http://svnweb.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/kernel/patches/ts0710.patch?logsort=rev&rev=2802&view=markup |
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| 19:50.44 | wurp2 | Does anyone know how to force Windows to go through the 'new hardware' wizard for my usb attached neo? |
| 19:51.07 | wurp2 | This is my work machine. It has gone through the wizard before, and I cancelled out. |
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| 19:51.31 | wurp2 | Now I'd like to install the NeoRndis.inf and I can't get Windows to give me the option. |
| 19:55.02 | mwester | Control panel, Printers and Other Hardware, in the left area "Add hardware" ? |
| 19:55.40 | anrp | look in the device manager |
| 19:55.46 | anrp | there'll probably be a device with a question mark |
| 19:56.00 | anrp | then right click, Reinstall |
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| 20:02.51 | wurp2 | OK, thanks |
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| 22:05.20 | emdete | is there any application in om using the aux-key? in my app i can't distinguish the aux-key from the usb-insert under X11... |
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| 22:15.11 | mwester | emdete: neod |
| 22:15.21 | mwester | (I think) |
| 22:20.00 | emdete | i thought neod uses the power button only... nobody using neo's keyboard? |
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| 22:40.05 | wurp2 | well, the aux key switches you back to openmoko-today |
| 22:40.11 | wurp2 | So neod must be listening to it |
| 22:40.34 | wurp2 | Or at least, something is listening to it |
| 22:41.33 | emdete | wurp2: does it switch to openmoko-today also when plugin usb? |
| 22:42.24 | wurp2 | emdete: I don't think so |
| 22:42.28 | wurp2 | sec, and I'll try it |
| 22:42.36 | wurp2 | nope |
| 22:43.07 | emdete | http://rafb.net/p/xaBy0C83.html |
| 22:43.16 | emdete | that's what xev says... |
| 22:44.37 | emdete | ...okay, there is no KeyRelease... maybe it listens to that |
| 22:44.51 | emdete | (..no KeyRelease on usb-plug) |
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| 22:46.04 | wurp2 | it is the key release |
| 22:46.13 | wurp2 | it doesn't switch apps until I let go of aux |
| 22:47.54 | wurp2 | that's lame that xev gives exactly the same event for usb plugged in & aux down |
| 22:47.55 | emdete | okay, that explains it. anyway, if you are interested in usb plugin there is no way to distinguish it from aux... :( |
| 22:48.19 | emdete | wurp2: that sounds as if xev is to blame... |
| 22:48.32 | wurp2 | are you running qemu? |
| 22:48.42 | emdete | no. phys. device |
| 22:50.26 | emdete | anyway, will go to bed now. thanks alot... |
| 22:51.46 | wurp2 | np |
| 22:51.48 | wurp2 | g'night |
| 23:03.58 | nox-Hand | topic |
| 23:04.05 | nox-Hand | Damn it, stupid / |
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| 23:16.56 | wurp2 | nox-Hand: March |
| 23:17.03 | wurp2 | nox-Hand: Or, more likely, April :-( |
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| 23:29.19 | nox-Hand | wurp2|away: Yeah, I gave up months ago :( |
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| 23:54.32 | cesarb | wurp2|away: you can also right-click the .inf and select some option that will be in there to install the thing |
| 23:55.12 | cesarb | wurp2|away: (yeah, I know completely non-intuitive... took me a lot of time some time ago at work to find out how to install a codec, and it was that way) |
| 23:55.43 | cesarb | completely unlike what I recalled from Windows 3.1, which actually had a way to install codecs at the control panel! |
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| 23:57.34 | cesarb | hm http://mobile.slashdot.org/mobile/08/02/15/2230246.shtml |
