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| 02:37.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1229 has been created by yucheng82(AT)126.com |
| 02:37.02 | cdbot2 | * * make openmoko-devel-image ERROR |
| 02:37.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1229 |
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| 06:19.21 | Psi | the recent email from Michael about software changes to improve battery life, does anyone know if thats gta02 only or gta01 too? |
| 06:19.40 | Ian00 | i saw mention tha Neos usb port can act as host or device, i'm wondering if its possible to make my laptops usb act as a device to use my laptop keyboard directly on another machine. Possible? anyone point me somewhere I might find out. |
| 06:20.37 | Psi | i wonder if you could get synergy working between the neo and a pc, that might do what you want |
| 06:23.18 | Ian00 | synergy works over lan, i'd really like direct usb connection with minimal or no host configuration, only configuring my laptop. |
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| 07:37.19 | raddy | Hello Everybody |
| 07:37.33 | raddy | Does openmoko supports runlevel? |
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| 07:43.44 | raddy | Anybody there??? |
| 07:44.07 | raddy | How can disable the verbose output from the bootloader? |
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| 07:56.31 | Varun | hi all |
| 07:57.07 | Varun | is it possible to change the boot splash screen in openmoko?? |
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| 08:01.05 | Varun | i have bought a new Neo phone...i would like to update my firmware...please give me some details on ths... |
| 08:01.15 | SpeedEvil | yes, it is. |
| 08:02.48 | SpeedEvil | [[flashing openmoko]] on the wiki? |
| 08:02.52 | SpeedEvil | search for flashing? |
| 08:03.09 | Varun | yeah! i found that.... |
| 08:03.24 | SpeedEvil | what's the problem? |
| 08:03.33 | Varun | @SpeedEvil: give me some pointers on changing the splash screen |
| 08:04.33 | Varun | I have written an application. I want my moko to boot in silent mode and start into my application directly... |
| 08:06.10 | SpeedEvil | Varun: I don't have easy access to the wiki or my phone ATM |
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| 08:06.46 | SpeedEvil | I'd look on the neo for a phone of size >50k <500k, not in the /bin directories |
| 08:06.55 | SpeedEvil | or search the wiki for splash |
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| 08:20.07 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:41.32 | TRIsoft | morning |
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| 09:27.10 | Psi | hehe, the talk on the mailing list about FIC working on power management and squeezing every amp out of the battery makes me think of Apollo 13. I'm expecting someone to comment about running a coffee pot any time now |
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| 12:09.58 | Varun | hi...i m not able to get the u-boot menu.... |
| 12:10.08 | Varun | any clues?? |
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| 12:13.07 | zash | is the aux-button broken? |
| 12:13.59 | Varun | no...its there |
| 12:14.05 | Varun | i hold aux button n then pressed power button...but, its not startng u-boot menu.... |
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| 12:14.37 | zash | when it is started, does the aux-button do anything? |
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| 12:37.33 | varun | not able to get into u-boot menu...help needed...aux button n power button are working... |
| 12:40.15 | varun | zash: after booting into openmoko, aux menu is working... |
| 12:41.01 | zash | so it's not broken |
| 12:41.06 | zash | are you holding it long enough |
| 12:42.23 | varun | yeah! i m holding it for long time... |
| 12:42.27 | zash | hm |
| 12:43.47 | varun | actually i bought a new GTA01V4 phone....not able to flash openmoko as i m not able to get into u-boot menu...anyother way?? |
| 12:45.21 | balrog-kun | varun: that's weird |
| 12:45.33 | balrog-kun | varun: but you don't need to go to the menu for flashing |
| 12:45.59 | varun | how can i use dfu-util without getting into u-boot running mode?? |
| 12:46.54 | balrog-kun | i think there's a one second delay before it starts booting linux, in this period i think you can connect over usb and go into running mode |
| 12:47.49 | varun | using cu?? |
| 12:47.57 | varun | cu -l /dev/ttyACM0 |
| 12:47.58 | varun | ?? |
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| 12:48.10 | balrog-kun | yea, maybe, i used minicom |
| 12:48.13 | balrog-kun | and picocom |
| 12:48.29 | varun | wat are they?? |
| 12:48.41 | balrog-kun | but i'm sure the aux + power combintation will work if you get it right |
| 12:49.31 | varun | i have been using GTA01V3 previously...i didnt face any problem there... |
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| 12:50.19 | varun | also, its not showing the booting splash screen...simply showing a white flash n booting up... |
| 12:51.06 | balrog-kun | it's possible also to reflash from under linux |
| 12:51.16 | balrog-kun | but not practiced much afaik |
| 12:51.40 | varun | give me some clues...i ll check it out here... |
| 12:52.12 | varun | also, if i do dfu-util --list....its saying no device found... |
| 12:53.31 | balrog-kun | the programs to flash things under linux are called mtdutils i think |
| 12:53.45 | varun | ok |
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| 12:53.52 | balrog-kun | right, only u-boot is DFU-capable, so in linux dfu-util --list will show nothing |
| 12:54.26 | balrog-kun | err mtdutils is the name of the package containing allt he programs |
| 12:54.41 | balrog-kun | or mtd-utils |
| 12:57.41 | SpeedEvil | varun: unplug battery leave 30 mins |
| 12:57.49 | SpeedEvil | varun: replace battery, rettyr |
| 12:57.52 | SpeedEvil | retry |
| 12:58.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1230 has been created by dodji(AT)openedhand.com |
| 12:58.01 | cdbot2 | * * oops at boot in rtc_dev_open() |
| 12:58.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1230 |
| 12:58.22 | varun | 30 mins?? or 30 secs?? |
| 12:58.38 | varun | i tried replacing battery sooo many times....doesnt help... :( |
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| 13:05.01 | yoyo | no file "config_svn.openmoko.org_.branches.src.target.kernel.2.6.24.x_3801_.tar.gz" on downloads.openmoko.org/sources |
| 13:05.35 | varun | zash: i tried to connect to /dev/ttyACM0 in that 1 sec gap...its getting connected...but, after few seconds its getting disconnected... |
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| 13:11.15 | varun | any solutions?? |
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| 13:12.18 | zash | duno, ask in the mls |
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| 13:22.06 | SpeedEvil | var: mins |
| 13:22.12 | SpeedEvil | var: with the usb unplugged |
| 13:22.18 | SpeedEvil | oh |
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| 15:10.03 | PBeck | hi |
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| 16:20.19 | wurp2 | So, 50 days in suspend mode would be cool |
| 16:20.37 | wurp2 | But it still sounds as if watching one movie will kill the '02 battery |
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| 17:35.23 | anrp | hmm |
| 17:35.30 | anrp | is there a way to set the time from the interface? ~_~ |
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| 17:36.25 | wurp2 | anrp: Not afiak |
| 17:36.32 | wurp2 | s/afiak/afaik/ |
| 17:36.34 | anrp | alright, so its not just me :S |
| 17:36.45 | yoyo | date -s |
| 17:36.56 | wurp2 | date -s then sync the hardware |
| 17:37.09 | wurp2 | Don't remember the name of the command, hwsomething I think |
| 17:37.11 | anrp | i know how to do that |
| 17:37.12 | anrp | hwclock |
| 17:37.17 | wurp2 | thx |
| 17:37.18 | anrp | just saying D: |
| 17:37.22 | wurp2 | yeah |
| 17:37.32 | anrp | also the GPS has "the" time |
| 17:37.37 | wurp2 | it's just one of the many things that aren't there |
| 17:37.38 | anrp | maybe sometime in the future it can be used .. |
| 17:37.45 | wurp2 | Yeah, I wrote a script to set time from GPS |
| 17:38.00 | wurp2 | but for some reason when I tell python to readlines from /tmp/nmeaNP, it never gets anything |
| 17:38.08 | wurp2 | I haven't had time to fix it |
| 17:38.30 | wurp2 | I may just make the script depend on gpsd :-( |
| 17:38.59 | wurp2 | Or I may write a grep | tail process to pull the last line off nmeaNP with time in it, and read from the resulting file in python |
| 17:39.10 | wurp2 | since grep & tail seem to work fine on nmeaNP :-/ |
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| 18:05.12 | wurp2 | oic, python by design doesn't return from a readlines call until the file is closed. Either I'll have to read into a buffer or do the grep | tail trick. |
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| 19:17.29 | bkruse | wurp2: not a mic in a bt headset, just the mic/speaker on the moko itself |
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| 19:22.57 | wurp2 | bkruse: Wow, I think that's the longest response time I've gotten on IRC :-) |
| 19:23.34 | wurp2 | I have redirected mic output to a file & successfully recorded |
| 19:23.35 | TRIsoft | wurp2: Ask me something, i'll prove it can be longer :D |
| 19:23.44 | wurp2 | TRIsoft: heh |
| 19:24.00 | wurp2 | It was very quiet |
| 19:24.15 | wurp2 | TRIsoft: I asked the question yesterday or the day before |
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| 19:24.28 | wurp2 | Certainly not a complaint, just an amused observation |
| 19:24.34 | TRIsoft | wurp2: A good answer needs some time... |
| 19:24.42 | bkruse | wurp2: Sorry :] |
| 19:24.45 | bkruse | wurp2: can you show me that code? |
| 19:25.00 | bkruse | I think binding to 'default' in alsa in my problem (libalsa) |
| 19:25.01 | wurp2 | bkruse: It's just a script |
| 19:25.03 | bkruse | I am not using pulseaudio |
| 19:25.12 | wurp2 | I will send it to you |
| 19:25.18 | bkruse | wurp2: perfect! |
| 19:25.42 | wurp2 | me neither |
| 19:25.56 | wurp2 | ack, I just looked at it, I just use arecord |
| 19:26.08 | wurp2 | I will be lazy and paste the pertinent bits here |
| 19:26.23 | wurp2 | alsactl -f /etc/capturehandset.state (of course) |
| 19:26.24 | wurp2 | restore |
| 19:26.44 | wurp2 | arecord -f cd -t wav -d 30 somefile.wav |
| 19:26.46 | wurp2 | That's it |
| 19:26.59 | wurp2 | except of course restoring alsa to the appropriate config when done |
| 19:27.52 | wurp2 | So if you can find the code in arecord, that should be right |
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| 19:31.53 | haakeyar | mickey|flu: If you are there (and not feeling too ill), you might want to have a look at my comment in bug #1177. I don't know if you get some sort of notification on it, so I hope it is ok that I mention it here. :) |
| 19:32.11 | haakeyar | mickey|flu: Btw, hope you feel better soon (if that is the way to say it in English), or as we say in Norwegian, god bedring. :) |
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| 19:40.23 | inwoo | arghh....... anyone try sun's j2re 1.4.2 on moko? |
| 19:40.36 | inwoo | unless i'm really stupid, i think it's broken |
| 19:40.48 | Stephmw | they have an ARM build of that version? |
| 19:40.50 | inwoo | yeah |
| 19:41.12 | inwoo | built for ARM v5 with soft-float |
| 19:41.12 | Stephmw | what's broken? |
| 19:41.18 | inwoo | doesn't run at all... |
| 19:41.44 | Stephmw | segfault? |
| 19:41.44 | anrp | soft float is old abi probably |
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| 19:42.17 | vininim | f (Constr i (x,y)) = (i,(x,y)) -- maybe Constr is quite unnecessary |
| 19:42.25 | inwoo | hrmm... |
| 19:42.51 | inwoo | i donno if it's the binary, becuase i get an -sh: java: 1: syntax error: word unexpected (expecting ")") |
| 19:43.50 | Stephmw | now, that's a much more useful error message ;) |
| 19:44.03 | inwoo | useful, but i don't know what it means |
| 19:44.05 | Stephmw | probably has bashisms in the script |
| 19:44.25 | inwoo | hrm, it seems like a straight up arm binary to me |
| 19:44.40 | inwoo | it has the correct secret words in the beginning |
| 19:44.58 | Stephmw | 'file' correctly identifies it as such? |
| 19:45.41 | inwoo | heh never checked. |
| 19:45.44 | wurp2 | It didn't get DOS encoding somehow, did it? |
| 19:46.05 | inwoo | maybe let me redownload it ...... |
| 19:46.57 | inwoo | but i guess noone here, played with sun's arm version eh? |
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| 19:51.42 | wurp2 | inwoo: that sounds like a no |
| 19:53.39 | inwoo | i guess so |
| 19:53.43 | inwoo | no, it was not a DOS encoding |
| 19:53.47 | inwoo | i guess it's just broken... |
| 19:53.54 | inwoo | damn you sun! |
| 19:54.13 | brgs | inwoo: is java chmod to executable? |
| 19:54.17 | inwoo | yes |
| 19:55.17 | inwoo | well, this kinda sucks, i was trying to do a port directed sms daemon to PhoneME, |
| 19:55.24 | inwoo | but because the WMAtool only runs under j2se, and it doesn't work i'm SOL |
| 19:55.33 | wurp2 | Is the exe built for the neo? |
| 19:55.36 | inwoo | no |
| 19:55.41 | inwoo | generic... figures |
| 19:55.48 | inwoo | generic arm linux |
| 19:55.51 | wurp2 | I would expect there to be library dependencies so more would matter than just it being built for arm |
| 19:56.35 | inwoo | i think it depends only on glibc version 2.3.3 |
| 19:56.51 | brgs | inwoo: It's the shells way to tell you you're trying to execute a binary as a shell script. |
| 19:57.38 | inwoo | brgs: hrm.... and how do i get the shell to not think it's a shell script |
| 19:59.37 | mwester | What does the file command have to say about the executable? |
| 20:00.15 | inwoo | mwester, sec, i'll install file |
| 20:00.20 | brgs | inwoo: inwoo: Hard to guess. How is it called? |
| 20:00.39 | inwoo | it's in my PATH, and i'm just running it as > java |
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| 20:01.03 | inwoo | java: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1, for GNU/Linux 2.4.3, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
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| 20:01.52 | mwester | Check the shared libs and how they resolve, they might be part of the issue. |
| 20:02.39 | inwoo | mwester, will do... |
| 20:05.34 | brgs | inwoo: I'd sugest strace -e trace=process `which java`. Java probably calls another binary. |
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| 20:10.38 | inwoo | brgs, funny and you're right |
| 20:10.48 | inwoo | but it says strace: exec: no such file... |
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| 20:12.09 | wurp2 | inwoo: So have you tried going to that directory and running ./java? |
| 20:12.15 | inwoo | wurp2, yep. |
| 20:12.19 | wurp2 | Or just fully qualifying the path from somewhere else? |
| 20:12.32 | wurp2 | And it calls another binary, still? |
| 20:13.00 | wurp2 | Based on on what brgs said, I was thinking 'java' wasn't executing what you thought it was |
| 20:13.25 | inwoo | even though it's in my path, 'java' doesn't run ag all, my shell says java: not found |
| 20:13.29 | inwoo | however, |
| 20:13.35 | inwoo | if i'm in the directory , i can . java |
| 20:13.36 | wurp2 | If it did execute that arm binary, then does that mean the binary is invoking a shell with some bad arguments? 'cause that's just weird. |
| 20:13.37 | inwoo | but not ./java |
| 20:13.59 | wurp2 | You can ". java"? |
| 20:14.01 | inwoo | which is funny in openmoko, because i've never had a situation where i could not ./binary |
| 20:14.07 | wurp2 | That def won't work for an ELF |
| 20:14.19 | inwoo | hrm |
| 20:14.26 | inwoo | okay, thats a problem then |
| 20:14.40 | wurp2 | What does running it w/ fully qualified path do? |
| 20:14.40 | yoyo | dose someone test that new qtopia image? |
| 20:15.09 | inwoo | well my $PATH points to that bin directory, |
| 20:15.14 | inwoo | but sh, won't execute > java |
| 20:16.02 | inwoo | it's a larger path issue i have yet to deal with i suppose |
| 20:16.12 | wurp2 | But what if you run w/ fully qualified path? |
| 20:16.20 | wurp2 | /bin/java or whatever? |
| 20:16.45 | wurp2 | The > you put in the "java" command confuses me a bit, too... |
| 20:16.45 | inwoo | my shell won't take a fully qualified path... |
| 20:17.02 | wurp2 | How does it respond? |
| 20:17.11 | inwoo | shell says, java not found |
| 20:17.25 | wurp2 | When you give it a fully qualified path, it says java not found? |
| 20:17.31 | inwoo | yep\ |
| 20:17.43 | inwoo | something has always been wrong with my bash shell .... in moko. |
| 20:17.49 | wurp2 | What are the perms on the file, and on the directory it's in? |
| 20:18.07 | inwoo | perms? |
| 20:18.09 | Stephmw | inwoo: are you sure it's bash youre running and not something else like ash or sh? |
| 20:18.30 | inwoo | what's the default shell for moko? |
| 20:18.34 | wurp2 | permissions |
| 20:18.35 | wurp2 | Sorry |
| 20:18.37 | ljp | yoyo: I did |
| 20:18.50 | inwoo | all users can +x , |
| 20:18.59 | inwoo | and it's on /media/card/opt/j2re1.4.2/bin |
| 20:19.17 | yoyo | ljp: end? |
| 20:19.45 | wurp2 | Have you run an elf from the card before? |
| 20:19.50 | inwoo | never |
| 20:20.01 | inwoo | although it is formatted ext2 |
| 20:20.07 | wurp2 | 'cause I would think that your problem with running using a fully qualified path and the elf might be related |
| 20:20.17 | wurp2 | as in, maybe your card mounts incorrectly somehow |
| 20:20.33 | inwoo | even if i copy over the /bin/java file to my /usr/bin, it will behave the same way, so i almost doubt it |
| 20:20.47 | inwoo | so is the default shell for moko bash? |
| 20:20.53 | wurp2 | nope |
| 20:20.55 | wurp2 | sh |
| 20:20.58 | inwoo | heh... |
| 20:21.02 | wurp2 | you can run /bin/bash if you have it installed |
| 20:21.05 | brgs | iinwooWell the response looks like ash. |
| 20:21.07 | ljp | works for me :) |
| 20:21.23 | wurp2 | Yeah, it says /bin/sh, but I think it actually is ash |
| 20:21.34 | inwoo | i see... |
| 20:21.45 | wurp2 | I think ash has a sh emulation mode or somesuch... I think /bin/sh is a link to /bin/ash, and it detects the file name |
| 20:21.49 | inwoo | but why would sh / ash not allow me to run something in my PATH... |
| 20:22.14 | wurp2 | I have had problems before with files not executing on a particular medium because it mounted improperly |
| 20:22.32 | Stephmw | aye, you can force mountpoints to not have exec for instance |
| 20:22.36 | wurp2 | trying to remember what the exact problem was... it was missing exec in fstab or something |
| 20:22.50 | wurp2 | Yeah, what he said ;-) |
| 20:23.14 | inwoo | hrmmm |
| 20:23.21 | inwoo | i see |
| 20:23.27 | inwoo | and i think you're right |
| 20:23.39 | inwoo | i have defaults,async,noauto |
| 20:23.41 | inwoo | so i'm missing exec |
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| 20:27.39 | inwoo | even in /usr/bin/java, on my rootfs, bash will say no such file or directory ...even if permissions are a+x |
| 20:27.45 | inwoo | argh! |
| 20:28.35 | wurp2 | Did you try strace with fully qualified name? |
| 20:28.40 | inwoo | yep |
| 20:28.54 | wurp2 | I'm wondering if bash (or sh) is telling you no such file, or java is when executing |
| 20:29.00 | Stephmw | it almost feels like a dangling symlink |
| 20:29.15 | wurp2 | I *think* only noexec will prevent execution on a mount |
| 20:29.28 | wurp2 | I think it is exec by default |
| 20:29.39 | inwoo | yeah, exec option changed nothing for me |
| 20:29.51 | inwoo | but a strace will say, |
| 20:29.53 | inwoo | execve("/media/card/opt/j2re1.4.2/bin/java", ["/media/card/opt/j2re1.4.2/bin/ja"...], [/* 14 vars */]) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 20:29.53 | inwoo | strace: exec: No such file or directory |
| 20:29.53 | inwoo | Process 1242 detached |
| 20:30.28 | wurp2 | Does it say the same thing if you give strace a garbage file name? |
| 20:30.37 | wurp2 | i.e. one that really doesn't exist |
| 20:30.42 | inwoo | strace will say command not found |
| 20:30.50 | inwoo | for something that doesn't exist |
| 20:31.07 | wurp2 | So it is not that java is failing to exec |
| 20:31.14 | inwoo | yeah |
| 20:31.20 | inwoo | it's there.... |
| 20:31.25 | wurp2 | the problem is that it executes some external process for which the file isn't found |
| 20:31.41 | Stephmw | what size is the java binary? |
| 20:31.54 | wurp2 | although... that may just be back to the program executing as if it were a script |
| 20:32.22 | wurp2 | Otherwise I would expect you to see strace output telling you the execv or whatever the java exe was trying to call before it fails |
| 20:32.57 | Stephmw | java usually dlopens libjvm.so as part of Create_JavaVM() |
| 20:33.09 | Stephmw | that may be what it can't find |
| 20:33.18 | brgs | ENOENT means /media/card/opt/j2re1.4.2/bin/java is missing. What does ls say? |
| 20:33.20 | inwoo | java is 58752 bytes |
| 20:34.27 | wurp2 | This is reaching, but you might redirect ls output to a file, then edit the file, to see if there are some weird characters in the name or something |
| 20:34.27 | Stephmw | inwoo: when you extracted the tarball onto your card, sis you extracte verything? |
| 20:34.31 | Stephmw | *did |
| 20:35.06 | inwoo | Stephmw, yep |
| 20:35.33 | Stephmw | inwoo: try setting JAVA_HOME to /media/card/opt/j2re1.4.2/ |
| 20:35.46 | wurp2 | The file owner shows as root on java, yes? |
| 20:36.00 | inwoo | wurp2, yes |
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| 20:36.06 | inwoo | Stephmw, yep, to no avail |
| 20:36.57 | inwoo | it's like java doesn't exist, but i'ts there |
| 20:37.05 | inwoo | root:root with rwx on owner |
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| 20:39.02 | wurp2 | The file command found the file |
| 20:39.12 | wurp2 | but executing it says file not found |
| 20:39.25 | wurp2 | and strace shows that the file doesn't do anything before it fails |
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| 20:40.37 | Stephmw | maybe 'set -x' before invoking java? |
| 20:41.05 | inwoo | hrmm.. nope .. |
| 20:41.17 | inwoo | my shell keeps compaining that it cant find the file or directory |
| 20:42.04 | wurp2 | I don't think it's your shell complaining |
| 20:42.18 | wurp2 | at least, not the instance of the shell that your prompt is in |
| 20:42.28 | wurp2 | otherwise ls would fail to find the file |
| 20:42.57 | wurp2 | I can't ssh to my neo right now, but on my linux box strace always gives me some execv output |
| 20:43.27 | wurp2 | Even if it's just for the filename. The only exception is when the file doesn't exist. |
| 20:44.03 | wurp2 | e.g. if I run strace a.out, I get output like: execve("/home/wurp/bin/a.out", ["a.out"], [/* 24 vars */]) = 0 |
| 20:44.44 | inwoo | hrmm.. |
| 20:44.46 | inwoo | yeah |
| 20:44.50 | wurp2 | inwoo: Did you try installing bash? |
| 20:44.58 | inwoo | wurp2, yep, same problem i had with sh |
| 20:45.14 | wurp2 | But you can run bash and get a new prompt? |
| 20:45.18 | inwoo | something is *wrong* with this java distribution on arm. |
| 20:45.23 | inwoo | wurp2, yep i'm in bash |
| 20:45.53 | wurp2 | Well, but something is also wrong with your neo, if running fully qualified files always fails |
| 20:46.34 | inwoo | wurp2, no, that actually works ... |
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| 20:46.49 | wurp2 | Oh, I thought you said earlier that it always failed for you |
| 20:46.58 | Stephmw | strace /some/rubbish gives you something meaningful? |
| 20:46.58 | inwoo | it works in bash now :) |
| 20:47.24 | inwoo | root@fic-gta01:/opt/j2re1.4.2/bin# strace -e trace=process /poopers |
| 20:47.25 | inwoo | + strace -e trace=process /poopers |
| 20:47.25 | inwoo | strace: /poopers: command not found |
| 20:48.16 | inwoo | vs, java's case |
| 20:48.19 | inwoo | + strace -e trace=process /media/card/opt/j2re1.4.2/bin/java |
| 20:48.19 | inwoo | execve("/media/card/opt/j2re1.4.2/bin/java", ["/media/card/opt/j2re1.4.2/bin/ja"...], [/* 15 vars */]) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 20:48.19 | inwoo | strace: exec: No such file or directory |
| 20:48.19 | inwoo | Process 1318 detached |
| 20:48.19 | inwoo | root@fic-gta01:/opt/j2 |
| 20:48.57 | wurp2 | Ah, so you do at least see the execve for the strace |
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| 20:49.14 | mmontour | inwoo: looks like it's an OABI binary. Do you have the gllin GPS driver installed? |
| 20:49.39 | inwoo | mmontour, i doubt i have that installed, is there an ipkg? |
| 20:50.10 | inwoo | pretty much off the shelf openmoko dist, with some phoneme stuff installed |
| 20:50.36 | mmontour | There's a package but you have to accept a click-through EULA to download it. It contains some OABI libraries that might help you, but you can also get those without gllin |
| 20:51.10 | wurp2 | I have to bail - V day stuff to do |
| 20:51.26 | inwoo | thanks for the help wurp2|away |
| 20:51.45 | inwoo | mmontour, it states on the readme that i need a 100% linux compatible os, 2.6.8 or later with glibc version 2.3.3 |
| 20:51.50 | inwoo | for ARM. |
| 20:51.56 | inwoo | atleast ARM v5 - soft-float |
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| 20:52.25 | anrp | definately oabi |
| 20:52.55 | mmontour | Try downloading http://members.shaw.ca/mmontour/neo/gl_dir.tgz - it's an OABI chroot environment |
| 20:53.18 | anrp | also, if you're curious, the ENOENT is probably from the missing linker, not from the binary itself (i.e. the dynamic linker referenced inside the binary doesn't exist) |
| 20:53.42 | inwoo | ah..~ |
| 20:54.02 | inwoo | is the moko kernel eabi+oabi? .. i'm not even sure what that is exactly |
| 20:54.21 | anrp | it is unclear to most :-) but everything is becoming eabi, at least the open source stuff |
| 20:54.48 | anrp | gllin is special, and hopefully-and-eventually disappearing |
| 20:55.20 | mmontour | The current OM distribution uses EABI, but you can also run OABI binaries if you have OABI system libraries |
| 20:55.30 | mwester | Think of eabi/oabi as the calling convention between functions, libraries, etc -- i.e. what registers are used to pass in variables and receive results. |
| 20:55.32 | inwoo | heh .. great.. i wonder if it's even worth mucking with this .... maybe sun's embedded team will be nice enough to build one for an eabi environment |
| 20:56.02 | anrp | depends on how much they care :/ i've no idea what android uses, if it uses eabi your chances are high |
| 20:56.03 | inwoo | but the goal is, chroot into this OABI env, with these libs, and hopefully the built j2re will work..~ |
| 20:56.09 | mmontour | Once you've unpacked that tarball I mentioned, you can try something like the following to run your app... |
| 20:56.19 | inwoo | mmontour, i got it unpacked. |
| 20:56.28 | mmontour | /home/root/gl_dir/lib/ld-linux.so.2 --library-path /home/root/gl_dir/lib:/home/root/gl_dir/usr/lib /path/to/whatever |
| 20:56.35 | Stephmw | inwoo: historically... no, Sun's team rarely does custom builds unless there's a contract |
| 20:57.18 | inwoo | Stephmw, figures, i have very little use for the j2re on arm anyway, except to get this one piece working, but i might just resort to making a c implementation and forgetting about this JVM . |
| 20:57.51 | Stephmw | inwoo: what about the others, no use? |
| 20:58.02 | inwoo | mmontour, /path/to/whatever being...? |
| 20:58.17 | anrp | /path/to/your/java/binary |
| 20:58.23 | mmontour | being the OABI binary you want to run |
| 20:58.29 | inwoo | Stephmw, well, maybe that was selfish to say, however, i don't think the moko team will care unless they release the src to build j2re |
| 20:58.45 | inwoo | on arm. |
| 20:59.03 | Stephmw | iirc IcedTea is where that work is being done |
| 20:59.06 | yoyo | sleep time sija all |
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| 21:03.49 | inwoo | mmontour, it works more so than before |
| 21:03.53 | inwoo | now it cannot find libjava.so |
| 21:05.32 | mmontour | The --library-path tells it where to look for libraries, so try adding the directory containing libjava.so to the end of that path |
| 21:05.51 | inwoo | odd, libjava.so is not packaged into this j2re-arm pacakge... |
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| 21:06.51 | mmontour | The "libjava.so" itself may be a generated symlink to "libjava.so.1.2.3" or similar. |
| 21:07.33 | inwoo | nothing even remotely close to libjava. |
| 21:07.38 | inwoo | anywhere...odd |
| 21:08.20 | mmontour | Unfortunately I can't help you with that. |
| 21:08.39 | Stephmw | on my desktop it's in /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.13/jre/lib/i386/libjava.so |
| 21:09.03 | inwoo | yeah, similarly, it's in the JAVA_HOME/lib/arm directory.. or actually it SHOULD be |
| 21:09.06 | inwoo | but it's missing |
| 21:09.12 | inwoo | eek! |
| 21:09.20 | inwoo | mmontour, thanks for the oabi help! |
| 21:09.26 | mmontour | np |
| 21:09.30 | inwoo | i'm going to beat this into submission somehow |
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| 21:24.35 | anrp | ...lol |
| 21:24.42 | anrp | maybe i got a corrupt image, but |
| 21:24.45 | anrp | root@ppp::44:65534:Linux User,,,:/dev/null:/usr/sbin/ppp-dialin:~$ hostname |
| 21:24.45 | anrp | ppp::44:65534:Linux User,,,:/dev/null:/usr/sbin/ppp-dialin |
| 21:24.50 | anrp | ~_~ |
| 21:24.51 | apt | :/ |
| 21:24.59 | anrp | that's quite the hostname |
| 21:25.25 | anrp | a strange hybrid of IPv6 and names! |
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| 22:11.57 | cesarb | inwoo: if it's built for ARMv5, it might not work well on the neo... since the neo is ARMv4T |
| 22:12.34 | inwoo | cesarb, ack you're kidding |
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| 22:16.59 | cesarb | inwoo: from my own cpufreq code: if cpu_architecture() >= CPU_ARCH_ARMv5, it's not a neo |
| 22:17.44 | inwoo | cesarb, heh, no need to bother sun, since i don't think we can front the cash to make a moko built version of s2re |
| 22:17.47 | inwoo | j2re* |
| 22:17.50 | cesarb | inwoo: older ARM architectures are cheaper, I don't know if it's because they use less transistors or because ARM artificially inflates the prices |
| 22:18.20 | cesarb | inwoo: actually, j2re source code is mostly available (google openjdk and icedtea) |
| 22:18.37 | cesarb | inwoo: so it's possible to compile your own (and it wouldn't be 1.4.2, but 1.6.0+) |
| 22:18.51 | inwoo | cesarb, are there some j2re's that work under moko presently? |
| 22:19.00 | cesarb | inwoo: there's also gcj/gij... and for j2me, phoneme |
| 22:19.15 | cesarb | inwoo: I'd expect gcj/gij to work already |
| 22:19.17 | inwoo | yeah i have phoneme working ,but need a real CDC |
| 22:19.42 | cesarb | inwoo: also check kaffe and that mono one (forgot its name) |
| 22:24.08 | inwoo | cesarb, thanks, i'll check it out |
| 22:24.29 | inwoo | i'll be happy if i can run a jar file inside moko, just commandline... from ANY runtime environment |
| 22:24.41 | cesarb | inwoo: lol |
| 22:25.01 | cesarb | inwoo: try gij, if it compiles there's a good chance it will run at least hello world from the command line :D |
| 22:28.13 | Stephmw | there should be .bb recipes for cacaovm and jamvm iirc |
| 22:28.30 | inwoo | Stephmw, Can you direct me? |
| 22:29.38 | Stephmw | inwoo: well, if you've been depending on ipkgs, .bb are perhaps a jump too far - they're the recipes that openembedded uses to build the software |
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| 22:29.52 | inwoo | Stephmw, nope, been building PhoneME via bb all along |
| 22:30.10 | inwoo | i'll be happy to drop it into my build, and reflash |
| 22:30.17 | Stephmw | inwoo: then hunt around the repo for those two others - I haven't built them myself |
| 22:30.36 | inwoo | Stephmw, alright i'll look, it seemed like you already went down that path. |
| 22:31.08 | Stephmw | inwoo: I've just got triggers to keep track of that stuff in here :) |
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| 22:52.47 | inwoo | sort of random non-moko question |
| 22:53.10 | inwoo | can nc (netcat) send a packet ... a raw datagram? |
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| 23:35.21 | inwoo | hrm... seems like nc is crippled in the included version in moko |
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| 23:38.04 | mwester | It's probably the busybox version. |
| 23:38.09 | inwoo | it is... |
| 23:38.20 | inwoo | couldn't find a non-crippled version ..~ |
| 23:38.25 | inwoo | i guess need to make a bb |
| 23:38.31 | mwester | Probably. |
| 23:38.53 | mwester | But you might like to make sure that nc will do what you need it to do first. |
| 23:39.02 | inwoo | it will |
| 23:39.04 | inwoo | figured it out |
| 23:39.11 | inwoo | just the busybox implementation won't do UDP |
| 23:39.11 | mwester | (usually you can do what it does with a perl or python script pretty easily) |
| 23:39.25 | inwoo | hrm |
| 23:39.39 | inwoo | perhaps there should be an easy perl version to send some datagrams |
| 23:40.37 | inwoo | or python that is |
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| 23:52.58 | inwoo | mwester, well damn python doesn't include socket module in moko |
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