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| 01:10.42 | rinat | hi all, can someone explain what I should remove to fix the "One Transitor Too Many" problem> |
| 01:10.45 | rinat | ? |
| 01:11.30 | cesarb | rinat: wasn't that a problem already solved on the newer units, and only the OM devs have the old ones? |
| 01:11.54 | rinat | cesarb: yes, and I have the old unit :) |
| 01:12.04 | cesarb | rinat: ouch :P |
| 01:12.54 | rinat | am i correct in the assumption that i should just remove that q1001 transistor? |
| 01:13.06 | cesarb | rinat: better ask on the relevant mailing lists, I think most of the devs which can help you don't lurk here |
| 01:13.24 | rinat | understood. |
| 01:13.30 | Vegar | how did you get your hands on a pre-mass production unit? |
| 01:13.47 | rinat | cesarb: thx |
| 01:13.56 | rinat | Vegar: got from a friend |
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| 01:58.43 | linux_galore | oh dear, Microsoft is going to start making mobile telephones http://blogs.computerworld.com/microsoft_succumbs_to_apple_envy_buys_danger |
| 01:59.09 | raster | no |
| 01:59.14 | raster | just buy someone who already does |
| 01:59.38 | linux_galore | raster: yes but technically when you own a company that makes telephone "you also make them" |
| 01:59.47 | linux_galore | telephones* |
| 02:00.28 | raster | sure |
| 02:00.39 | raster | but they are just buying the people who make it |
| 02:00.42 | raster | :) |
| 02:01.16 | linux_galore | raster: yeah Microsoft purchased Word and Excel, thats pretty normal |
| 02:01.25 | raster | :) |
| 02:02.51 | linux_galore | raster: the headache is now is Microsoft has a vested interest for a product it makes the software for to succeed over its competition who (suckers) also use the same software stack |
| 02:04.16 | linux_galore | raster: the laugh is allot of the really nice new code that was added by such companies as Sony and HTC to the Windows mobile stack under the "shared source" agreement is now being used to compete directly against them lol |
| 02:04.58 | linux_galore | Microsoft "thanks for the code guys now Im going to wipe the floor with you" |
| 02:05.29 | raster | linux_galore: headache for who? |
| 02:05.37 | raster | headache for the "partners" |
| 02:05.41 | raster | good for linux |
| 02:05.58 | raster | as the partners may now decide theyare better off not competing with ms anymore |
| 02:05.58 | raster | :) |
| 02:08.23 | linux_galore | raster: Im amazed how many companies still havent figured out that if you partner with Microsoft and make a profitable product Microsoft will use the same exact code you debugged and added IP to compete against you. Bit like feeding the devil then crying about the pitch fork a fork stuck in your back later on |
| 02:08.51 | raster | then again |
| 02:08.53 | raster | same with open source |
| 02:08.55 | linux_galore | s/a fork// |
| 02:08.57 | raster | in principle |
| 02:09.25 | linux_galore | raster: yes accept its a more level playing field |
| 02:10.29 | linux_galore | also just because you use Linux doesnt mean you have to release "all you applications" as open source |
| 02:12.35 | linux_galore | your* |
| 02:14.33 | linux_galore | if you look at the shared source license that mobile makers go in to with Windows Mobile you will immediately notice its a "you share we take" agreement. Bit like one lending someone a jumper then asking them later if you can borrow a T-Shirt one day and they tell you to go jump. |
| 02:24.42 | rinat | does suspend work in any version of openmoko? |
| 02:24.55 | rinat | i mean suspend with waking on call |
| 02:32.25 | raster | linux_galore: the shared src license wont cover independently written apps no from last i checkedt based off ms code i'd believe |
| 02:32.28 | raster | much like gpl |
| 02:37.27 | linux_galore | raster: yes but its very hard to build independent code when you partnering one a complete product |
| 02:37.34 | linux_galore | your* |
| 02:37.53 | raster | they can write their own executables/apps |
| 02:38.08 | raster | if they want to modify core os things - they are stuffed. |
| 02:38.10 | raster | but same as linux |
| 02:38.16 | linux_galore | raster: true but often they may want to just modify a product that is already available |
| 02:38.22 | raster | modify kernel or existing gpl/lgpl apps/ibs that majke up the os... |
| 02:39.00 | linux_galore | Ive seen windows mobile 6.1, not bad looking\ |
| 02:39.22 | linux_galore | still slow though from what the engineers tell me |
| 02:40.02 | linux_galore | anyway Im out |
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| 03:03.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1226 has been created by mail(AT)mmontour.net |
| 03:03.02 | cdbot2 | * * Support USSD messages, e.g. for "remaining airtime" checks |
| 03:03.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1226 |
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| 08:03.46 | Fuzzy | Does anyone have a date on when the phone is going to be available for sale again? |
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| 08:15.53 | jonkristian | So, the freerunner, is this what we've been waiting for, with upgraded hardware?:) |
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| 08:44.55 | Hopscotch | good morning |
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| 08:55.22 | P2E | word, there is a ton and a half of people in here |
| 08:58.22 | P2E | I'm looking at moving from a sidekick (3) to an openmoko within maybe a year. looking for folks that might have a tmo plan and one of these newfangled freerunner things and could tell me how things are going for them. |
| 08:59.00 | P2E | anyway, it's like 4am eastern so I'll idle around and wait for a message or a nick highlight |
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| 09:03.13 | TRIsoft | morning |
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| 10:21.22 | cesarb | anrp: it not recognizing the charger if plugged in might be the lack of "coldplug", saw a patch to openmoko-kernel yesterday which adds precisely that |
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| 10:23.10 | cesarb | wurp2|away: well, I just dial (for instance) *544# and it sends back the remaining credits (I can either dial directly (ATD) or use some GSM command I already tested but forgot right now, it could be the one and mmontour were talking about) |
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| 13:57.11 | Ebbe | Is there a way to execute a script when I open the terminal on the Neo, just like .bashrc? |
| 14:00.43 | SpeedEvil | ipkg install bash ? |
| 14:00.50 | SpeedEvil | More seriously |
| 14:00.52 | SpeedEvil | .profile ? |
| 14:00.55 | SpeedEvil | .ashrc? |
| 14:01.56 | Ebbe | They don't work.. |
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| 14:17.07 | _diego_ | probably becouse when you open the terminal in openmoko $HOME is not set |
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| 14:18.26 | _diego_ | I've noticed that when you use the terminal, the current directory is not your $HOME, but the root ("/") |
| 14:23.20 | mwester_ | Yep - it seems that the terminal does not run the new process through the normal mechanism to establish a new shell, as does xterm and the like. |
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| 14:44.38 | jadams_ | when I did an ipkg upgrade my phone said its disk was full |
| 14:44.45 | jadams_ | df -h showed just /var/volatile full |
| 14:44.55 | jadams_ | anyway, I know there's a way to install to the sd card with ipkg, right? |
| 14:46.44 | _diego_ | i suggest to install the image on sd, and then boot from sd |
| 14:47.45 | jadams_ | _diego_, anything in the wiki about how to do that? |
| 14:48.56 | _diego_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD |
| 14:49.42 | SpeedEvil | search the wiki for ipkg-link |
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| 14:54.20 | mwester_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:54.40 | SpeedEvil | I had a couple of times where the X log exploded in size |
| 14:54.41 | mwester_ | (for example, gsmd logs to /tmp/gsmd.log and can fill up your ramdisk) |
| 14:54.54 | Ebbe | SpeedEvil: Me too |
| 14:55.13 | Ebbe | jadams_: I just had to remove the X log once, and then everything was fine |
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| 14:57.59 | jadams_ | oh come on, I don't want to build the freaking image just to avoid disk usage issues |
| 14:58.16 | jadams_ | I just want to update and then I'm DONE... |
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| 14:58.22 | jadams_ | short term, just to get this demo out the door |
| 14:59.49 | Ebbe | jadams_: Locate X.log in a subfolder to /var/volatile and delete it |
| 15:03.06 | jadams_ | Ebbe, thanks, doing so |
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| 15:29.22 | CVirus | Is there any chance that the FreeRunner would be available in March ? |
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| 15:35.52 | SpeedEvil | 'Magic-8-ball says ask again later'. |
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| 15:39.56 | xaid|work | ;D |
| 15:40.54 | xaid|work | I think towards mid-april is a reasonable date...I haven't checked but is the new web shop ready yet? |
| 15:41.14 | xaid|work | unless there needs to be more hardware changes ofcourse. |
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| 16:13.36 | wurp2|away | cesarb: Yeah, mmontour submitted a nice bug report for USSD that shows the two ways those balance reports come back |
| 16:13.44 | wurp2|away | mmontour: Thanks :-) |
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| 16:17.01 | PBeck | hi |
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| 17:44.27 | janoar | does getting bullied makes me vulnarable to other people who i don't like and weren't bullying me to think that i can be bullied now and they start disliking me and bully me too? |
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| 17:46.49 | kdean06 | wurp2|away, Did you see Erin Yueh's message on device-owners regarding replacing the multi-tap input with the mb-keyboard and applet? |
| 17:47.48 | janoar | how do i stand up to a bully? what does stand up mean? if you stand up can't you get hurt? |
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| 17:59.20 | spydon | http://www.gnu.org/music/free-software-song-rhythmic.ogg |
| 18:01.15 | Ebbe | Haha. Fun song :) |
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| 18:10.39 | jadams_ | does anyone know how I can add an entry in openmoko-feedreader2? Or where it stores configuration info? |
| 18:10.44 | jadams_ | I can't find info in gconf for feedreader |
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| 18:16.02 | Ebbe | jadams_: I'm not sure they've made that feature yet, but I could be wrong |
| 18:16.05 | jadams_ | ha |
| 18:16.13 | jadams_ | here's a hint for me: http://svnweb.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-feedreader2/src/feed-configuration.c?rev=2623&view=markup |
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| 18:18.57 | jadams_ | what's the input manager called? There used to be an app I could run that would restart it, and now there's not... |
| 18:20.31 | jadams_ | Ebbe, anyway, point was I'd have to recompile it, it's not configurable at present |
| 18:20.46 | Ebbe | jadams_: Sadly, yes |
| 18:21.15 | jadams_ | Ebbe, I've never done any gtk programming, but seems easy enough to use gconf for that... |
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| 18:21.42 | jadams_ | we need to get a build environment set up, and I'd push out patches like that...or get an employee to |
| 18:21.50 | jadams_ | even if it's just 'go modify the gconf manually' |
| 18:22.18 | Ebbe | What do you mean exactly? |
| 18:22.37 | jadams_ | currently the feeds in feedreader are hardcoded in the source code |
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| 18:22.42 | jadams_ | so to change them, you modify code and recompile |
| 18:23.32 | Ebbe | You could make a path and send it to bugzilla, if that's what you mean |
| 18:24.09 | jadams_ | Ebbe, yeah, I just mean I want to get a build env set up here at my company so I can actually TEST my patches like that |
| 18:24.14 | jadams_ | right now I just run a build and that's it |
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| 18:25.44 | Ebbe | jadams_: The MokoMakefile isn't good enough? |
| 18:26.11 | Ebbe | With qemu |
| 18:26.42 | jadams_ | Ebbe, I haven't run it in months |
| 18:26.49 | jadams_ | but yeah |
| 18:26.50 | jadams_ | that's all I mean |
| 18:27.01 | jadams_ | is that we need to get a setup here at the office dedicated (or capable) of fiddling with moko |
| 18:27.43 | Ebbe | It should be enough |
| 18:29.21 | jadams_ | Ebbe, k, cool |
| 18:29.38 | jadams_ | we just got our IBM server in (>$14k new for this right now, we got it for $1200 used with a current IBM warranty) |
| 18:30.02 | jadams_ | so I'll be playing a little bit, might install the toolchain on that sucker since it's the fastest machine we have at present |
| 18:30.09 | Ebbe | Auch. Sounds cool |
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| 18:30.31 | jadams_ | we'll be virtualizing a bunch of web servers for ourselves on it |
| 18:31.02 | kdean06 | Power 6? |
| 18:31.07 | jadams_ | ? |
| 18:31.15 | jadams_ | oh |
| 18:31.16 | jadams_ | x series |
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| 18:32.34 | kdean06 | Crap, I forgot my USB cable. :S |
| 18:32.42 | kdean06 | No flashing for me today. :S |
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| 19:08.29 | inwoo | anyone know the pppd command to disconnect? |
| 19:09.05 | spydon | kdean06, don't you have a digital camera or something? |
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| 19:09.18 | kdean06 | Yes, why? |
| 19:09.28 | spydon | Some cables is the same |
| 19:09.34 | kdean06 | I'm at work. :) |
| 19:09.38 | spydon | Ah ^^ |
| 19:10.22 | kdean06 | And for the record, my camera isn't the same size. :( It's like my PC has tenticles. Not a single USB device in my home uses the same size cords, except my phones. |
| 19:11.17 | spydon | Yeah I hate that they can't have one standard... |
| 19:13.48 | SpeedEvil | what - microUSB, USB3, A and B, mini-A, mini-AB |
| 19:14.10 | zash | usb DOOM EDITION |
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| 19:14.25 | SpeedEvil | acutally |
| 19:14.33 | SpeedEvil | there are probably several usb3 variabts |
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| 19:33.09 | anrp | yay, full battery |
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| 19:50.35 | mjr | was neat following the bus home on tangogps's osm map :] |
| 19:51.00 | CM | cool |
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| 20:01.53 | hhf423 | moin |
| 20:02.00 | hhf423 | boy, this is bad |
| 20:02.16 | hhf423 | I just got myself an iphone and its better at surfing than my N770 |
| 20:02.58 | hhf423 | anyways |
| 20:03.41 | hhf423 | looking at what one can see from android, looks like the Neo/OpenMoko has 6 to 12 months advantage, or what would you say? |
| 20:03.50 | einalex | you have an n770 and an iphone and are intereseted in openmoko? |
| 20:04.04 | einalex | and android? |
| 20:04.18 | hhf423 | einalex: I have a Neo since months |
| 20:04.31 | einalex | man..does "prioritize" mean anything to you? |
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| 20:04.35 | P2E | any tmo customers in here with a neo? |
| 20:04.48 | hhf423 | tmo? |
| 20:04.54 | P2E | t-mobile |
| 20:04.59 | hhf423 | einalex: prioritize? why should I? |
| 20:05.27 | hhf423 | P2E: I have tried the Neo with a german t-mobile sim and it worked |
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| 20:06.10 | einalex | i guess because all parties get more out of the deal when you do it. + it leaves mopre money for different things |
| 20:06.51 | einalex | well |
| 20:06.53 | einalex | just a thought# |
| 20:06.58 | einalex | your choice |
| 20:07.06 | CM | hhf423: Yeah, the iphone is sweet.. :/ |
| 20:07.28 | CM | But it's also evil and closed.. ;) |
| 20:07.50 | hhf423 | einalex: the N770 served me well for some 6 months or so |
| 20:08.21 | hhf423 | CM: yes, amazing that something can be so cool and evil at the same time :-) |
| 20:08.38 | CM | hehe |
| 20:08.47 | hhf423 | CM: reminds me of sony in their good days |
| 20:08.48 | einalex | i hope the freerunner does that for 3-5 years for me |
| 20:09.27 | hhf423 | well, I still need a jabber client for the iphone, then the N770 can go to ebay I think |
| 20:10.15 | einalex | hm |
| 20:10.24 | hhf423 | einalex: yes, the freerunner has some serious potential. its a pity that the iphone does not have GPS (and is closed and all that) |
| 20:10.42 | hhf423 | einalex: but first, OpenMoko needs to fix the power management :-) |
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| 20:11.14 | einalex | the mailinglist gives hope |
| 20:11.20 | zash | hhf423: jwchat.org! |
| 20:11.28 | hhf423 | einalex: does it? on freerunner or on powermanagement? |
| 20:11.44 | einalex | both |
| 20:11.56 | hhf423 | good |
| 20:11.58 | einalex | and on powermanagement on the 1973 |
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| 20:12.21 | hhf423 | zash: nah, I want an application, not a web thing. I need notification if there is a new message |
| 20:12.32 | einalex | like there were/are software issues and hardware issues |
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| 20:13.36 | hhf423 | I mean if I get 3h out of my Neo today, I count myself lucky. Thats not good enough for use. And I am sooo interested in a location sensitive todo list! |
| 20:14.57 | einalex | 3 hours of use? |
| 20:15.02 | einalex | or 3 hours of standby? |
| 20:15.23 | einalex | like in active but in your pocket.. |
| 20:15.57 | hhf423 | standby plus a litte use |
| 20:16.49 | hhf423 | but, remember, there is basically no powermanagement other than screen out |
| 20:18.39 | hhf423 | CM: what kills me is that the iphone is probably the first thing that I have that I had to "break" to use it. And that even people "break" that have an AT&T contract because they want the applications |
| 20:19.19 | einalex | i won't buy an iphone |
| 20:19.33 | einalex | i don't think apple should be rewarded for this |
| 20:19.35 | einalex | this |
| 20:19.39 | hhf423 | einalex: its not that I switch phones every 6 months or so. I used my p800 for like 5 years |
| 20:19.39 | einalex | i dunno.. |
| 20:19.57 | einalex | it makes me sad |
| 20:20.18 | einalex | they treat their customers as if they were dumb sheep |
| 20:20.19 | CM | hhf423: Yeah, lockdowns always suck :( |
| 20:20.40 | einalex | i don't want to be treated that way. no money from me |
| 20:20.57 | hhf423 | einalex: well, you have a point. But it is actually a very cool device. Even though you have to break it to use it. |
| 20:21.05 | einalex | yes |
| 20:21.10 | einalex | i know it's a cool device |
| 20:21.14 | einalex | bt if you buy it |
| 20:21.21 | einalex | the next cool device will be just as closed |
| 20:22.06 | einalex | if you take the open approach it will become cool automatically |
| 20:22.08 | einalex | :) |
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| 20:28.00 | hhf423 | yeah, but I have decided that I can not wait that long |
| 20:28.40 | hhf423 | and I don't know if its that easy. Apple knows that ca 1/3 of the phones are sold without AT&T (or equivalent) contract |
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| 20:28.53 | hhf423 | now there will be an SDK |
| 20:29.52 | hhf423 | but I assume that eventually, OpenMoko (or the OSS community) will beat them. And even if not, it will push them further. |
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| 20:43.56 | P2E | does anyone have a sidekick and NOT have a neo? |
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| 20:48.05 | einalex | isn't there a sidekick irc channel? ;) |
| 20:51.42 | raster | it's the trendy way to /kick from a channel |
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| 21:01.47 | P2E | einalex: yes, *except* I'm looking to move from a sidekick to a neo, wondering if anyone else has done any research into that |
| 21:02.27 | einalex | like move your data? |
| 21:03.13 | zedstar | i think a sidekick style device wud be a kewl addition in terms of hardware to the openmoko range but eh that's just me |
| 21:03.17 | P2E | no, like I have a sidekick plan with t-mobile, it includes unlimited gprs and sms, I'm wondering if I could get data on the neo via gprs on my sidekick plan without having to mess with it much, or if t-mo blocks non-sidekick gprs with the sk plan, or... |
| 21:03.50 | einalex | uhm |
| 21:04.05 | einalex | you mean they actually know what device you are using? |
| 21:04.15 | einalex | that doesn't sound very standards compliant |
| 21:04.30 | wurp2|away | P2E: You should be able to just put your sidekick SIM in your neo and go... |
| 21:04.31 | P2E | well, considering I have a "sidekick" plan =] |
| 21:04.47 | raster | einalex: they're telcos. standards never got in the way of locking you in :) |
| 21:04.48 | raster | :) |
| 21:04.54 | P2E | wurp2|away: for both voice (which I would expect) *and* data (which I'm unsure about)? |
| 21:05.06 | einalex | why should they care what device you use as liong as you pay them? |
| 21:05.21 | einalex | i only know locking the other way round.. |
| 21:05.31 | wurp2 | Unless your SIM is a newer one, in which case you'll need to mail your neo to Michael Shiloh for a firmware update |
| 21:05.36 | P2E | I don't care about the philosophical angles of this, I just want to know if it will work =] |
| 21:05.40 | wurp2 | P2E: Yeah, even your gprs |
| 21:05.53 | wurp2 | If you can get the right connect script |
| 21:06.08 | wurp2 | But remember neo is still for devs, and still basically pre-alpha |
| 21:06.12 | P2E | ok. so, I need to find a connect script for t-mobile/sidekick |
| 21:06.14 | einalex | p2e you need someone with a neo to plug your card in. |
| 21:06.26 | wurp2 | I haven't gotten gprs to work on mine, and there's nothing special about it. |
| 21:06.34 | SpeedEvil | einalex: or mail the SIM to someone |
| 21:06.43 | wurp2 | I just haven't tinkered with timeouts, etc enough yet |
| 21:06.53 | einalex | SpeedEvil: that#s a lot of trust |
| 21:07.28 | einalex | + you have no phone in the meantime |
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| 21:07.59 | wurp2 | You'll probably have no phone a fair amount of the time if you're switching to a neo soon ;-) |
| 21:08.05 | P2E | ok. so, either find someone with a neo or literally just get one and start tinkering are my best options |
| 21:08.26 | wurp2 | or mail me your SIM |
| 21:08.41 | wurp2 | You can't trust these other guys, but you can trust me |
| 21:08.52 | P2E | it's not really a "soon" switch as much as a "microsoft just bought danger and when it comes time to upgrade my sidekick I'm not going to be using an M$ phone" switch |
| 21:09.41 | einalex | that sounds perfectly good to me |
| 21:10.35 | wurp2 | P2E: If I were you, I would wait & see if I could get a FreeRunner instead, then |
| 21:10.42 | P2E | well yeah |
| 21:10.56 | P2E | the freerunner will probably be out by then |
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| 21:13.46 | P2E | anyway, thanks |
| 21:13.54 | P2E | I just needed to bounce off ideas and stuff |
| 21:14.21 | P2E | now to find someone with a neo in virginia |
| 21:20.22 | hhf423 | I have used gprs with my neo, it worked most of the time |
| 21:20.43 | P2E | good to know =] |
| 21:20.50 | hhf423 | basically, once the connection was up, it ran |
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| 21:21.31 | hhf423 | I even did a ipkg update && upgrade once. took forever (gprs not so fast) but it worked |
| 21:23.15 | Stephmw | anyone happen to remember what python api I should use for bringing a window to the front? |
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| 21:24.10 | einalex | that should depend on the gui tk you use shoudln't it? |
| 21:25.21 | Stephmw | it's more another X window I'd like to raise, rather than my own |
| 21:25.28 | einalex | oh |
| 21:25.43 | einalex | then I guess you have to talk with X |
| 21:26.02 | einalex | or the other program |
| 21:26.56 | Stephmw | yeah, I was hoping for a toFront("window title")... ah well, time to learn something |
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| 21:28.09 | einalex | anrp yeah that is simply |
| 21:28.18 | einalex | and completely unergonomic |
| 21:28.26 | anrp | true |
| 21:28.28 | anrp | but it can work |
| 21:29.14 | Stephmw | ;) |
| 21:30.21 | einalex | it's like a waitress tells you to go to the kitchen and fetch the food yourself |
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| 21:35.52 | univac | bmk? freebase? ;p |
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| 22:01.38 | Stephmw | einalex: pissing about with X calls ;) |
| 22:01.51 | einalex | hm |
| 22:01.59 | einalex | good luck |
| 22:02.10 | Stephmw | don't think I'm getting errors, but the calls likewise don't succeed - and yes, I've got the right window handle |
| 22:02.59 | Stephmw | XRaiseWindow(Dsp, Children[lp]); |
| 22:02.59 | Stephmw | XSetInputFocus(Dsp, Children[lp], RevertToNone, CurrentTime); |
| 22:03.08 | Stephmw | doesn't seem to do much of anything |
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| 22:07.28 | einalex | hm |
| 22:07.39 | einalex | does it work on your own windows? |
| 22:09.37 | Stephmw | einalex: you're gonna love this one - I don't have any |
| 22:09.51 | Stephmw | einalex: this is purely from cli |
| 22:10.10 | Stephmw | einalex: I need to raise/lower certain windows based on hw events |
| 22:10.26 | einalex | well |
| 22:11.06 | einalex | i guess the problem is one of these: |
| 22:11.25 | einalex | a) it doesn't let you manipulate other windows |
| 22:11.39 | einalex | b) you need another function |
| 22:12.29 | einalex | c) any other i didn't yet think of |
| 22:12.39 | Stephmw | haha |
| 22:12.48 | Stephmw | yeah, or d) it's the phase of the moon |
| 22:13.31 | Stephmw | this is perverse. |
| 22:13.50 | Stephmw | if I ask the server what the current stacking order is, the window I selected is indeed at the top |
| 22:13.56 | Stephmw | ... but that's patently untrue |
| 22:14.07 | Stephmw | wonder if the wm is taking the piss |
| 22:14.20 | einalex | hm |
| 22:14.40 | einalex | perhaps you should talkt to the wm about what to put on top |
| 22:14.47 | einalex | it might need some kind of commit |
| 22:15.01 | einalex | or ignore other sources alltougether... |
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| 22:24.55 | jadams_ | my gps gets no fix |
| 22:24.58 | jadams_ | I'd love it to get a fix |
| 22:25.04 | jadams_ | it's agps...do I have to have a sim to use gps? |
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| 22:25.58 | SpeedEvil | NO |
| 22:26.00 | toxx_ | jadams_: are you outside? mine only gets a fix outside |
| 22:26.00 | SpeedEvil | no |
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| 22:30.47 | mmontour | jadams_: You might also try deleting the NVRAM*.dat files before starting gllin (to force it to do a "cold" acquisition) |
| 22:31.03 | jadams_ | mmontour, where are those located? |
| 22:31.18 | mmontour | In the gllin directory |
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| 22:32.26 | mmontour | (which is /home/root/gllin/ unless somebody's updated that package since it was first released) |
| 22:32.31 | mjr | so it actually stores old orbital data across runs? :] |
| 22:33.40 | mmontour | Probably, although I haven't spent any time inspecting the contents of those files (I've only looked at the communication between gllin and the Hammerhead chip) |
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| 22:58.04 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03werner * r4052 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/fiq-hdq.patch: |
| 22:58.04 | CIA-15 | openmoko: [PATCH Try#2] introduce-fiq-hdq.patch |
| 22:58.04 | CIA-15 | openmoko: From: Andy Green <andy@openmoko.com> |
| 22:58.04 | CIA-15 | openmoko: fiq-hdq.patch: |
| 22:58.04 | CIA-15 | openmoko: - drivers/power/gta02_hdq.c: cleanup after review |
| 22:58.05 | CIA-15 | openmoko: - include/linux/gta02_hdq.h: added previously missing file |
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| 23:01.02 | KrisAbsinthe | anyone want to buy a GTA01 for $250 |
| 23:01.21 | einalex | incl shipping? |
| 23:01.27 | einalex | and taxes |
| 23:01.56 | KrisAbsinthe | inside USA yes |
| 23:02.29 | einalex | i see |
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| 23:03.02 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03werner * r4053 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/fiq-hdq.patch: |
| 23:03.02 | CIA-15 | openmoko: fiq-hdq.patch: |
| 23:03.02 | CIA-15 | openmoko: - drivers/power/gta02_hdq.c: changed platform name from "Neo Freerunner" to |
| 23:03.03 | CIA-15 | openmoko: "GTA02" |
| 23:03.29 | KrisAbsinthe | ill ship worldwide but buyer pays shipping. i can setup an ebay transaction |
| 23:04.02 | einalex | i gues i'll be waiting for the freerunner |
| 23:04.18 | KrisAbsinthe | lol. no problem |
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| 23:06.15 | einalex | if you set up that ebay auction be sure to mention it on the mailing list..that should give you some attention |
| 23:06.38 | KrisAbsinthe | will do, thanks |
| 23:07.40 | Stephmw | einalex: worked around the issue by using a wm that obeys XRaiseWindow - thanks for your suggestions :) |
| 23:07.51 | einalex | advise is still for free |
| 23:08.54 | einalex | if you have this luxury.. |
| 23:09.46 | KrisAbsinthe | have any good resources for porting linux? |
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| 23:10.29 | einalex | not actually |
| 23:10.48 | einalex | i guess the guys at openembedded or what it's called know something about that |
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| 23:11.16 | KrisAbsinthe | trying to find the cross tools for OMAP |
| 23:12.11 | balrog-kun | what cross tools? |
| 23:12.23 | einalex | compile stuff hm? |
| 23:12.26 | balrog-kun | OMAP is an ARM |
| 23:13.19 | KrisAbsinthe | i know but will it work with the moko cross tools |
| 23:13.47 | balrog-kun | sure |
| 23:14.19 | KrisAbsinthe | really. thats great. guess i know my next project |
| 23:14.48 | balrog-kun | what is it what is it! |
| 23:15.40 | KrisAbsinthe | i have a HTC wizard. my neo will not work here cause 850 |
| 23:16.42 | KrisAbsinthe | im on it now. i love the hardware just not the software |
| 23:17.20 | einalex | theey should've agreed on one band.. |
| 23:17.23 | einalex | *sigh* |
| 23:17.30 | wurp2 | KrisAbsinthe: So you're off neo for now? |
| 23:17.47 | wurp2 | KrisAbsinthe: Think you'll buy an 850 mhz freerunner when they're available? |
| 23:17.50 | KrisAbsinthe | god no. waiting for the 02 |
| 23:18.02 | KrisAbsinthe | yes lol |
| 23:19.11 | KrisAbsinthe | i had this in the crate and fixed it the other day. figured i could use it |
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| 23:20.35 | einalex | hm as to the bands.. |
| 23:21.10 | einalex | you will most probably not find many interested in the US of A since it doesn't work for them.. |
| 23:21.48 | KrisAbsinthe | it works in most areas. im just remote |
| 23:27.10 | einalex | good for you |
| 23:27.40 | einalex | i'd rather be remote |
| 23:27.41 | KrisAbsinthe | lol thats funny |
| 23:28.12 | KrisAbsinthe | not me. i grew up in the city. my wife likes the country |
| 23:28.21 | einalex | you learn to value the silence |
| 23:28.46 | einalex | once you live at a high traffic street |
| 23:29.30 | KrisAbsinthe | i love city noises. not sure if i miss the violence though |
| 23:29.50 | einalex | i figure you know more violence than me |
| 23:30.21 | KrisAbsinthe | yeah, warmongering government |
| 23:30.45 | einalex | i love the green and seing the horizon a little lower like it's out in the country |
| 23:30.54 | KrisAbsinthe | I wanted to move to germany. |
| 23:31.13 | einalex | do you know it? |
| 23:32.34 | KrisAbsinthe | no, good industrial music comes from there. I am not sure i like the way most americans are so sure of their superiority |
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| 23:34.57 | einalex | being sure of oneself isn't the problem, the superiority thought is. i'm sure they'll learn it. might take some time.. and losses (economically) |
| 23:35.58 | einalex | it took a lot for germans to leave it.. |
| 23:38.59 | einalex | I looked a bit on your election |
| 23:39.37 | einalex | it's quite a way of doing it (obama i mean) |
| 23:39.40 | einalex | rather interesting |
| 23:39.57 | wurp2 | KrisAbsinthe: I would say most areas in the US don't have 1900 coverage |
| 23:40.01 | einalex | sounds so democratic.. |
| 23:40.02 | wurp2 | but most *people* do |
| 23:40.16 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03werner * r4054 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/ (bq27000-battery-driver.patch series): (log message trimmed) |
| 23:40.16 | CIA-15 | openmoko: introduce-bq27000-battery-driver.patch |
| 23:40.16 | CIA-15 | openmoko: From: Andy Green <andy@openmoko.com> |
| 23:40.16 | CIA-15 | openmoko: This is a driver for the bq27000 found in the Highcell A5 |
| 23:40.16 | CIA-15 | openmoko: battery, and the platform device stuff for it for GTA02. It |
| 23:40.20 | CIA-15 | openmoko: is a Power Supply Class battery device. |
| 23:40.22 | CIA-15 | openmoko: The driver doesn't contain an HDQ engine but accepts pointers |
| 23:40.23 | wurp2 | I can't find obama saying anything about policy :-( |
| 23:40.31 | wurp2 | he is a great speaker |
| 23:40.50 | wurp2 | but he never seems to say anything with much substance |
| 23:40.58 | einalex | he's always going we, we and change, change |
| 23:41.08 | wurp2 | yeah |
| 23:41.10 | einalex | hilary is I for you.. |
| 23:41.16 | wurp2 | and it really works |
| 23:41.23 | einalex | yes I can imagine |
| 23:41.27 | einalex | a lot of people |
| 23:41.29 | Ganneff | now, topic is openmoko. not politics. |
| 23:41.37 | wurp2 | true :-) sorry |
| 23:41.40 | Ganneff | please move that elsewhere, like query. :) |
| 23:41.49 | einalex | esp the ones who are really pissed, probably like the idea of taking a bigger part |
| 23:42.41 | wurp2|away | gotta go, dinnertime |
| 23:42.45 | einalex | pf, it's not like it was going to be a war in here, or that the channel is so crowded it could disturb other discussions |
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| 23:42.58 | Ganneff | einalex: its still offtopic. |
| 23:43.05 | einalex | so what? |
| 23:43.18 | Ganneff | so take it elsewhere. thx. eot. |
| 23:44.28 | einalex | i hope you enjoy the silence |
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| 23:51.28 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03werner * r4055 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/ (config/defconfig-2.6.24 patches/bq27000-battery-driver.patch): (log message trimmed) |
| 23:51.28 | CIA-15 | openmoko: Some build fixes after introduce-bq27000-battery-driver.patch |
| 23:51.28 | CIA-15 | openmoko: patches/bq27000-battery-driver.patch: |
| 23:51.28 | CIA-15 | openmoko: - arch/arm/mach-s3c2440/Kconfig: MACH_NEO1973_GTA02 also selects POWER_SUPPLY |
| 23:51.28 | CIA-15 | openmoko: and BATTERY_BQ27000_HDQ |
| 23:51.32 | CIA-15 | openmoko: - drivers/power/Kconfig: GTA02_HDQ section ended up outside the "if ... endif" |
| 23:51.34 | CIA-15 | openmoko: config/defconfig-2.6.24: |
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