IRC log for #openmoko on 20080210

`00:00.28`	`niklauz`	`seems like a somewhat awkward situation :-)`
`00:00.29`	`mwester`	`There might be a north-american version available, I don't recall seeing a commitement from openmoko on that.`
`00:00.29`	`niklauz`	`so it's not a certainty then?`
`00:00.39`	`mwester`	`A quad-band (aka "world phone") is not possible with either gta01 or gta02, accordign to openmoko.`
`00:00.51`	`mjr`	`it seems rather clear that an NA version of the gta02 will be available`
`00:00.54`	`mwester`	`Not a certainty, although I think they'd be insane to not do it.`
`00:01.15`	`mjr`	`what with the 850 MHz test gta01's working out fine and all`
`00:01.17`	`mwester`	`Modified gta01s that work on 850 have been tested, and work.`
`00:01.36`	`mwester`	`But that still requires FCC type approval, and all that entails.`
`00:01.38`	`niklauz`	`what i read said that the chip was capable of quad, but something else on the phone constrains this ability...`
`00:01.45`	`mjr`	`niklauz, true`
`00:01.57`	`mwester`	`Yes, it lacks the RF parts to do more than one of the low bands at a time ;(`
`00:02.39`	`mwester`	`(The amazing thing about this is how it took om a year to figure out that the hardware was not capable of quad-band, and never was designed to be capable of that!)`
`00:03.01`	`niklauz`	`it's bewildering, i agree mwester`
`00:03.38`	`niklauz`	`you remember the article on OM by the economist? it was lauding the quad-band ability (so much for that!)`
`00:03.43`	`mwester`	`They sack executives for mistakes like that around these parts... :D`
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`00:03.56`	`mwester`	`Must be different in .tw`
`00:04.03`	`niklauz`	`doh!`
`00:04.51`	`niklauz`	`so, a 850-ready phone is not confirmed but highly likey? is that a fair statement?`
`00:05.14`	`mwester`	`But anyway, while I look forward to the time when somebody will be able to publish the "true story", for now it is what it is, and we all hope a north-american gta-02 will be announced along with the european one.`
`00:05.47`	`mwester`	`I think highly-likely is a reasonable term, as long as one leaves open the issue of "when".`
`00:06.02`	`stefan_schmidt`	`mwester: Sadly NDA have not such a short time-to-death... ;)`
`00:06.39`	`mwester`	`stefan_schmidt: ah, one can hope... :-D`
`00:07.18`	`stefan_schmidt`	`mwester: :)`
`00:07.33`	`mjr`	`One wouldn't think a 850 version would necessarily take that much more time. Didn't they have to get the 850 MHz modded GTA01s FCC-approved anyway so there shouldn't be much more approval overhead than with the 900 version?`
`00:07.39`	`mjr`	`'course, I may be missing something`
`00:07.54`	`mwester`	`mjr: I think that om didn't get it approved, FIC did some time before om began.`
`00:08.02`	`wurp2`	`Just to throw what I heard in here... when I ordered my 01, I asked about 850 and was told that there would be an 850 version of the 02`
`00:08.12`	`mwester`	`But I think it's largely a formality and should be easy for the FCC`
`00:08.14`	`wurp2`	`By one of the guys at FIC`
`00:08.35`	`stefan_schmidt`	`I can just say that I see people working hard on this.`
`00:08.52`	`niklauz`	`i'm willing to be patient becuase this project is worth it, i just don't we don't see more scalling back of spec... :-(`
`00:09.14`	`mwester`	`I'm impatient.`
`00:09.29`	`wurp2`	`the reduction in battery energy on the 02 made me sad :-(`
`00:09.44`	`stefan_schmidt`	`niklauz: You are not alone with this opinion.`
`00:09.44`	`niklauz`	`mwester: i can identify with that too lol!`
`00:09.54`	`mwester`	`The lack of attention to fixes for the gta01 regarding battery issues makes me sad.`
`00:10.11`	`wurp2`	`I understand that they have to focus on the 02`
`00:10.24`	`mjr`	`mwester, that is bothersome`
`00:10.26`	`niklauz`	`indeed`
`00:10.29`	`wurp2`	`The 01 battery issues will at least become better`
`00:10.33`	`mwester`	`Not only has OM not paid any attention to the gta01, neither have they given over any control of it to the community. So patches still linger on and on and on and on`
`00:10.43`	`mjr`	`almost more bothersome is the lack of gprs multiplexing (yes, my pet peeve)`
`00:10.56`	`wurp2`	`cesarb already has an early version of cpufreq working`
`00:11.04`	`mjr`	`wurp2, nod`
`00:11.28`	`mwester`	`Yep, cesarb is doing great work.`
`00:11.28`	`wurp2`	`mjr: I would think that would work on both 01 & 02`
`00:11.39`	`mjr`	`wurp2, yes it would`
`00:11.39`	`wurp2`	`So I would think it would be high-ish priority`
`00:11.49`	`wurp2`	`after they verify all the hardware works`
`00:12.11`	`mwester`	`mjr: the entire gsm modem strategy is crazy. even the original author of gsmd described it as a test program, and nothing better.`
`00:12.54`	`wurp2`	`prototype software always goes to production :-)`
`00:13.00`	`mjr`	`well... yeah`
`00:13.24`	`wurp2`	`You just have to make sure to design the prototype so it obviously can never do more than a tenth of the job`
`00:13.39`	`wurp2`	`But in practice, I don't think that ever happens either`
`00:13.58`	`wurp2`	`You build something half-assed that can do part of the job, then you slap more code in until it sort of does all the job`
`00:14.01`	`wurp2`	`then you ship it`
`00:14.35`	`mjr`	`If you ship it, they will buy.`
`00:14.37`	`smlsfb`	`yay vista :)`
`00:14.44`	`mwester`	`My manager at my first job educated me on that phenomenon - he said to forget what I was taught in college; in the real world there is no such thing as a "first draft"`
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`00:16.08`	`wurp2`	`Just build good automated test cases so you can gut it later and do it right w/o adding too many bugs`
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`00:17.24`	`toxx_`	`so.. is there any news on the "GSM does not resume GTA01 from sleep"-issue?`
`00:17.40`	`niklauz`	`oh hey wurp2, i wanted to ask you, how are the data plans on the service you use? yr in the states right?`
`00:17.49`	`mwester`	`toxx_: no.`
`00:17.56`	`wurp2`	`I haven't even heard of anyone getting the firmware patch for it`
`00:18.03`	`wurp2`	`niklauz: I don't know :-(`
`00:18.09`	`wurp2`	`I have a pay as you go plan`
`00:18.15`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`unlimited for $75 AT&T`
`00:18.15`	`niklauz`	`oic`
`00:18.16`	`wurp2`	`and I never had a smartphone until the neo`
`00:18.28`	`wurp2`	`And I can't get gprs to work on my neo`
`00:18.31`	`niklauz`	`you are all in the states?`
`00:18.39`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`I am`
`00:18.46`	`mwester`	`NW of Chicago, out in the boonies.`
`00:18.49`	`wurp2`	`Dunno if it's a pebkac problem, my plan, my network, or what`
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`00:19.03`	`niklauz`	`has anyone gotten gprs yet?`
`00:19.21`	`mjr`	`niklauz, yeah it works pretty much as the wiki says`
`00:19.26`	`mjr`	`(in Finland here)`
`00:19.35`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`yes, you can use settingsgui to connect to GPRS`
`00:19.40`	`mwester`	`I get t-mobile, if I put the neo on the correct corner of my desk ; but it can't actually place a call. I have to drive somewhere closer to a 1900-MHz tower, and I've never tried data because of that.`
`00:19.43`	`toxx_`	`wurp2: so the state still is that even the GSM modem doesn't do it's job yet - so it is not possible to wake up at all from sleep (even if the kernel has been patched and the irq triggers a wakeup)?`
`00:19.53`	`toxx_`	`(or would in principle trigger a wakeup)?`
`00:19.56`	`wurp2`	`toxx_: I believe that's the case`
`00:20.07`	`wurp2`	`I got a firmware update for the new SIM`
`00:20.09`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`mwester: i feel your pain`
`00:20.18`	`wurp2`	`But I believe my gsm is still fubar on the wakeup front`
`00:20.25`	`toxx_`	`wurp2: does your new-sim update include any IRQ wakeup?`
`00:20.26`	`toxx_`	`ah`
`00:20.27`	`toxx_`	`ok`
`00:20.27`	`niklauz`	`it's a lot to keep track of...`
`00:20.29`	`wurp2`	`I haven't tested... but I thought I saw other ppl on the list who had`
`00:21.09`	`wurp2`	`Settingsgui gets me a lot closer to connecting gprs than the instructions on the wiki`
`00:21.39`	`wurp2`	`with the instructions on the wiki, 'pppd call' just hangs for a while then drops`
`00:21.43`	`toxx_`	`wurp2: so... is openmoko/fic planning to have such an upgrade for gta01?`
`00:22.05`	`wurp2`	`with settingsgui, it gets far enough along to echo atz before it drops`
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`00:22.23`	`wurp2`	`toxx_: I dunno. I'm really not in the know; I'm just relaying what I saw on the list`
`00:22.45`	`wurp2`	`Someone asked if the firmware update fixed the wakeup issue, and someone else a few days later said no.`
`00:23.19`	`toxx_`	`i see. thanks anyway. it's just that I consider my neo not being a phone as long as suspend/resume is not working.`
`00:23.21`	`mjr`	`(doesn't sound, as is, as cause to think the firmware is broken wrt. that, but I dunno anything either)`
`00:23.36`	`toxx_`	`and the kernel should wake up from an IRQ on the right line?`
`00:23.48`	`wurp2`	`Someone said there was a firmware problem`
`00:24.06`	`wurp2`	`but again, all I have is he said she said stuff`
`00:24.23`	`mjr`	`Well. It'd be nice to know, nicer to have it work.`
`00:24.39`	`mjr`	`cpufreq should tide one over for a while though if cesar gets that working well..`
`00:24.39`	`wurp2`	`no kidding`
`00:25.05`	`mjr`	`just gimme some more battery time ;]`
`00:25.12`	`wurp2`	`Can anyone point me to instructions to taking the gsm down?`
`00:25.37`	`wurp2`	`I wanna put in a shutdown script for the interim that at least makes it so turning off the phone doesn't result in a flat battery two hours later`
`00:25.48`	`toxx_`	`hmm. there are these toys which blink on an incoming GSM call. maybe a hardhack would be possible (if openmoko is not willing to do anything about it), like using any present RF energy to wakeup the phone?`
`00:26.03`	`wurp2`	`Do you just need to send an ATH through gsmtool?`
`00:26.28`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`Im still pissed abpout the 850 stuff, ive sent 2 emails in the last few days and still i get nothing back`
`00:26.29`	`mwester`	`wurp2: No, it's more cmplicate`
`00:26.40`	`mwester`	`complicated, even. I'll put up a url in a moment...`
`00:28.27`	`toxx_`	`soo... another question: is there any site bundling community patches and fixes (all those important things which are in the bug tracker for example)?`
`00:29.41`	`mwester`	`wurp2: http://pastebin.com/m7fc93553`
`00:30.19`	`mwester`	`toxx_: Not really. I did for a while, in a small way, but I'd rather we pressure openmoko to accept the fixes in a more timely manner.`
`00:31.05`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`mwester: Does this script work ok?`
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`00:32.07`	`wurp2`	`mwester: Thanks so much!`
`00:34.03`	`wurp2`	`mwester: Wow, I was just expecting the sequence to turn it off`
`00:34.20`	`wurp2`	`Not one that's already set up as a shutdown script, with comments & safety nets!`
`00:34.39`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`Yeah this is good`
`00:37.20`	`mwester`	`KrisAbsinthe: It works for me (tm) There have been some who have reported otherwise, hence the output to "/debug.log". But I've never actually had anyone who's sent me details on how it fails, so I don't know anything more.`
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`00:38.10`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`cool, thanks`
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`00:39.40`	`wurp2`	`HmmHmm`
`00:39.44`	`wurp2`	`sorry`
`00:39.58`	`wurp2`	`Network problems; didn't see my input and hit enter :-)`
`00:40.13`	`wurp2`	`I am running qtopia right now, and I don't have /etc/init.d/gsmd :-(`
`00:40.24`	`wurp2`	`So the script doesn't work`
`00:40.29`	`mwester`	`Oh - I have not tested it with the latest "bleeding edge" kernel (2.6.24), so it might have problems (that kernel is missing a gta01 patch from bug 788, which I'm working on getting openmoko to accept as well).`
`00:40.37`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`Qtopia uses their own thing`
`00:40.54`	`wurp2`	`qtopia already shuts down the gsm when you turn the phone off?`
`00:41.22`	`mwester`	`With qtopia, you'll need to define $GSM_POW and $GSM_DEV yourself, but since it uses the same kernel and libs, it should work.`
`00:41.35`	`wurp2`	`mwester: OK, thanks`
`00:42.07`	`mwester`	`wurp2: It could be that qtopia powers off the modem - since qtopia was mentioned, ljp should pop in here shortly ;) :-D`
`00:43.24`	`ljp`	`hmm ... whhaaaa??`
`00:43.47`	`mwester`	`hehe!`
`00:44.05`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`wow thats pretty good, now say its raining money Psychic friend`
`00:44.53`	`wurp2`	`ljp: Does qtopia shut down the gsm when I shut down my neo?`
`00:45.17`	`wurp2`	`ljp: Excellent entrance, btw ;-)`
`00:45.23`	`ljp`	`the script that starts/stops qtopia echoes "0" to sys/...`
`00:45.56`	`ljp`	`is something more need to be done?`
`00:47.00`	`ljp`	`wurp2: actually, I just got done mowing the grass`
`00:47.00`	`mwester`	`AT@POFF needs to be sent to make the modem power off; it's wired to the upstream side of the pm chip and continues to run after the kernel has powered of the CPU itself.`
`00:48.11`	`mwester`	`Winter is like relatives - nice to visit once in a while.`
`00:48.14`	`wurp2`	`Is someone currently sshd into their openmoko machine, and if so can they tell me the value of $GSM_DEV and $GSM_POW?`
`00:48.28`	`wurp2`	`It is prolly defined in /etc/default/gsmd`
`00:48.40`	`mwester`	`GSM_POW="/sys/bus/platform/devices/gta01-pm-gsm.0/power_on"`
`00:48.48`	`mwester`	`GSM_DEV="/dev/ttySAC0"`
`00:48.54`	`wurp2`	`Thanks again, mwester`
`00:49.04`	`ljp`	`mwester: its summer and has been raining quite a lot lately :)`
`00:49.49`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`ljp: where are you?`
`00:50.05`	`ljp`	`brisbane australia`
`00:50.23`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`Im moving with you, tired of the cold. Im in Ohio`
`00:50.47`	`ljp`	`never gets cold here.. maybe down to 40's at night in the winter`
`00:51.00`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`man, that is great`
`00:51.39`	`ljp`	`ya, except mowing the grass is required all year long, not just 4 months out of the year`
`00:52.09`	`wurp2`	`mwester: I get Stopping GSM modem: (timed-out)`
`00:52.26`	`wurp2`	`Apparently the read from GSM_DEV fails`
`00:52.36`	`wurp2`	`I can take this to PM if ppl don't want to hear about it`
`00:52.44`	`wurp2`	`Or just not bug you with it if you don't ;-)`
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`00:59.41`	`wurp2`	`It responds immediately, but the read fails with an exit code of 1, so the script says 'timed out'`
`01:00.49`	`mwester`	`ouch. I just tried it here, and it worked.`
`01:01.06`	`mwester`	`Could it be that something still has your gsm modem port open?`
`01:01.21`	`wurp2`	`Lemme lsof around`
`01:01.46`	`wurp2`	`erg, lsof not found`
`01:02.21`	`wurp2`	`ljp: Is there a package to put lsof on qtopia?`
`01:05.30`	`mwester`	`wurp2: I get that same behavior if I don't have gsmd shut down (i.e. the port is in use) on my openmoko install.`
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`01:07.16`	`wurp2`	`mwester: Oh. I just tried to run the script with a stop parameter. Qtopia is managing the phone normally`
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`01:08.59`	`mwester`	`There is a need to be able to power off the GSM modem while Qtopia or gsmd are running ("airplane mode"), but that would have to be done by the respective software.`
`01:09.19`	`wurp2`	`I dunno which process on qtopia manages the gsm... I don't see any likely candidates in ps`
`01:09.50`	`wurp2`	`I'll fiddle around with it`
`01:09.52`	`mwester`	`I seem to recall that there isn't a single process like gsmd, it's all part of a massive shared library that is qtopia, or something like that.`
`01:10.09`	`wurp2`	`I may go back to an OM image soon, anyway`
`01:10.49`	`mwester`	`I've been holding off for a while; still on the old kernel because I have an image that works pretty well right now.`
`01:11.33`	`wurp2`	`I'm on the old kernel too... I didn't actually realize there was a snapshot release w/ the new one`
`01:11.44`	`niklauz`	`i'm surprised to see so much of this work continuing still, is a march release still feasible?`
`01:11.58`	`mwester`	`not likely`
`01:12.03`	`wurp2`	`the 1/27 image was workign well for me, then I went to the 29th, and it and 30 and 31 were all not great for me`
`01:12.26`	`wurp2`	`niklauz: The March release would be just 02 hw anyway, the sw would still be a while off`
`01:12.32`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`flashing the 2/10 image now`
`01:12.56`	`wurp2`	`but I still see people talking about new pull-downs on the kernel list`
`01:13.01`	`wurp2`	`which doesn't sound promising for a March release`
`01:13.21`	`wurp2`	`Oh, they finally put out a new image?!`
`01:13.38`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`yup, just got it`
`01:13.52`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`BTW i like the 1/27 image too`
`01:14.06`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`except the lack of "/" on the keypad`
`01:14.27`	`wurp2`	`I see it's still 2.6.22.5 kernel`
`01:15.26`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`Magic Block #x#### not found Like a million times`
`01:15.54`	`wurp2`	`KrisAbsinthe: Maybe I forgot... was 1/27 already one w/ multitap instead of matchbox-keyboard?`
`01:16.17`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`yup`
`01:16.41`	`wurp2`	`agh, then I guess the last one I had that I was happy with was a december release`
`01:18.01`	`niklauz`	`wurp2: isn't the hw for gta02 finished... i'm confuzled`
`01:18.40`	`wurp2`	`niklauz: Nope, it isn't`
`01:18.43`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`Whats with the broken Magic Jiffs2.`
`01:18.53`	`wurp2`	`They had a v5 as the last version I heard about`
`01:18.59`	`wurp2`	`And that might be the final versoin`
`01:19.07`	`wurp2`	`s/versoin/version/`
`01:19.25`	`wurp2`	`but I still see talk about new resistors that may be desired on the kernel mailing list`
`01:19.35`	`wurp2`	`which doesn't bode well`
`01:20.15`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`they will have to conserve power with a 1200ma battery`
`01:20.30`	`wurp2`	`I didn't look for context in that conversation... it may not be a problem. But I dunno what they would have been talking about other than needing new resistors on 02`
`01:20.58`	`niklauz`	`wurp2: ah, i see - thanks!`
`01:21.03`	`wurp2`	`This looked like they had some line that was getting some static rather than pulling a clean 0 or 1`
`01:21.03`	`br3n`	`wurp2, they way i read it they had found a small mod which solved a major prob and were pretty pleased....coz it was causing boot fails....`
`01:21.40`	`wurp2`	`br3n: Then I'm sure you know more about it than I. I'm not even on the kernel list; I was just cruising around the web interface to the recent archives.`
`01:22.03`	`br3n`	`wurp2, not much!`
`01:22.17`	`wurp2`	`br3n: But while I'm sure it's a good thing that they found this problem, the fact that they're still fixing issues doesn't sound good for a March release.`
`01:22.31`	`br3n`	`ack`
`01:22.59`	`wurp2`	`I dunno much about hw... maybe it really is a minor thing, the kind of thing they expect to clean up right before release`
`01:23.18`	`wurp2`	`But I would think it would take some time to tool the assembly lines, then to crank out an initial batch, before they can really release`
`01:23.31`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`Hell i would rather wait and get a worthwhile device, maybe i can make calls from home`
`01:23.38`	`wurp2`	`And all that would have to happen after all the hw probs are fixed, of course`
`01:23.42`	`wurp2`	`Yeah, me too`
`01:23.54`	`wurp2`	`I far prefer that they wait until they fix the issues`
`01:23.54`	`br3n`	`wurp2, yep we don't normally know anything about these things .....`
`01:24.10`	`wurp2`	`Of course, I already have an 01 to play with, and one that I can make calls with`
`01:24.21`	`wurp2`	`:-)`
`01:24.51`	`br3n`	`wurp2, yep i can wait.... even though i don't have 01 .... was pondering even to wait for production run 2 of 02 :-)`
`01:25.05`	`wurp2`	`that might be a good idea`
`01:25.08`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`It would be smart`
`01:25.20`	`wurp2`	`early adopters of the iphone kinda got shafted`
`01:26.10`	`br3n`	`if you look at prototypes page on wiki you also see "poor bluetooth reception" list quite a lot`
`01:26.11`	`br3n`	`for the current a5's`
`01:26.11`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`and GPS broken`
`01:26.25`	`wurp2`	`Agh, I wasn't even thinking about the fact that it's an all new gps module`
`01:26.48`	`br3n`	`wifi wpa working though :-)`
`01:26.56`	`wurp2`	`heh`
`01:27.15`	`wurp2`	`I'm pretty sure I could put a powered usb hub on my 01 and add a wifi module pretty easily`
`01:27.19`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`i know, i hope one can force NMEA output to a text or gamin will modify a version of TangoGPS for the 02`
`01:27.21`	`wurp2`	`I know of one that has an ARM driver`
`01:27.56`	`wurp2`	`I had wifi on my gp2x ;-)`
`01:28.21`	`br3n`	`wurp2, "early adopters" yep all 1 million of them!`
`01:28.45`	`br3n`	`at least there's less of us suckers :-)`
`01:29.02`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`Hey i can OBEX iPhones cant haha`
`01:29.14`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`awww they can call out on GSM 850`
`01:29.34`	`br3n`	`talking on a phone ... over-rate`
`01:29.38`	`br3n`	`rated`
`01:29.42`	`br3n`	`:-)`
`01:29.45`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`lol`
`01:29.47`	`wurp2`	`OBEX?`
`01:30.10`	`wurp2`	`KrisAbsinthe: Unfortunately, right now you can't communicate at all on your phone`
`01:30.23`	`wurp2`	`unless it's by usb or bluetooth`
`01:30.40`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`Obex is BT file transfer`
`01:31.15`	`wurp2`	`ah`
`01:31.23`	`wurp2`	`Yeah, it's hard to convey what the neo does`
`01:31.33`	`wurp2`	`b/c when you say bluetooth, people think you mean headphones`
`01:31.45`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`true`
`01:31.58`	`wurp2`	`among many other things that other phones do, but do in such a crippled way as to be not really doing them at all`
`01:32.19`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`My mom was pissed when i could not bulk send all her photos from her old phone over BT`
`01:32.39`	`wurp2`	`I am pissed that I can't even get the contacts off my old phone to put 'em on my neo`
`01:32.45`	`wurp2`	`fucking ridiculous`
`01:33.14`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`Im thinking of writing the contacts code to read t5he contacts from sim`
`01:33.37`	`wurp2`	`I was gonna get 'em off in qtopia, then file copy a coupla times`
`01:33.54`	`wurp2`	`but apparently I didn't put any on the sim, so I have to go back tot he old phone & xfer 'em`
`01:34.04`	`wurp2`	`either that, or qtopia isn't reading the contacts that are on the sim`
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`01:34.32`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`QT read mine ok.`
`01:36.38`	`smlsfb`	`ohh, new snapshots on tuesday (hopefully)`
`01:36.51`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`hope they work`
`01:36.52`	`smlsfb`	`should mean that the person they hired to manage the wiki will be starting soon, too`
`01:37.26`	`wurp2`	`KrisAbsinthe: Did that 2/10 one ever come up?`
`01:38.03`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`I just noticed Im an idiot. I flashed the Jiffs2 for the GTA02. Ill let you know`
`01:38.36`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`they should seperate them`
`01:38.50`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`there is a single digit difference`
`01:39.04`	`wurp2`	`yep`
`01:39.15`	`wurp2`	`but this is the first opportunity for someone to see that it's an issue`
`01:39.29`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`true`
`01:39.37`	`wurp2`	`after the first 10 or 20 times that they install the wrong one internally, they'll move it to another directory :-)`
`01:39.50`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`lol`
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`01:43.49`	`wurp2`	`Hmm, I just copied all contacts from my old phone to the SIM, then put it in my neo running qtopia`
`01:43.55`	`wurp2`	`and I still don't see any of them :-(`
`01:45.11`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`that sucks`
`01:45.13`	`wurp2`	`I wonder if it's another gsm firmware issue that the update didn't fix`
`01:45.34`	`wurp2`	`Yeah, I guess that's 60 numbers I'll be copying by hand`
`01:46.06`	`wurp2`	`KrisAbsinthe: Did you have to get the firmware update for the neo to recognize your SIM?`
`01:46.09`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`I got that test phone from Michael and the audio was crystal clear, any ideas on how that was done, i have the State files and they dont do it`
`01:46.24`	`wurp2`	`KrisAbsinthe: They do for me...`
`01:46.27`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`No, I was lucky I have an older Sim that just worked`
`01:46.43`	`wurp2`	`Did you look at Tony's user page?`
`01:46.48`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`wurp2: do you know where i can get the ones like yours?`
`01:47.21`	`wurp2`	`That was the only one that worked for me.`
`01:47.32`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`Booting 2/10 image`
`01:48.50`	`wurp2`	`KrisAbsinthe: Now wait, I thought you couldn't call at all?`
`01:48.53`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`is it Tony Guan?`
`01:49.11`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`I can at work cause thats in columbus , they have 1900`
`01:49.13`	`ljp`	`wurp2: what happens if you restart qtopia?`
`01:49.14`	`wurp2`	`GarnockJones`
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`01:49.51`	`wurp2`	`KrisAbsinthe: Search your gsmhandset.state for Bypass`
`01:50.03`	`wurp2`	`The Bypass entry that has value.0 and value.1`
`01:50.05`	`wurp2`	`change both to 0`
`01:50.14`	`wurp2`	`KrisAbsinthe: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:TonyGarnockJones`
`01:50.20`	`wurp2`	`ljp: restarting qtopia now`
`01:51.08`	`wurp2`	`KrisAbsinthe: What I was doing wrong the other night with saving the state is that I ended the call before I did the alsa store`
`01:51.23`	`wurp2`	`Which of course switched me from handset state to stereoout state`
`01:51.37`	`wurp2`	`So I stored my stereoout state and saved it over my handset state`
`01:51.45`	`wurp2`	`ljp: You're a lifesaver!`
`01:51.51`	`wurp2`	`All my contacts are on my neo now!`
`01:51.56`	`ljp`	`hmm..`
`01:52.02`	`ljp`	`what iamge are you using/`
`01:52.03`	`ljp`	`?`
`01:52.27`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`2/10 Image loads OK`
`01:52.41`	`wurp2`	`ljp: 12/07`
`01:52.56`	`wurp2`	`I couldn't find a newer one, except one that I couldn't get to install`
`01:53.16`	`wurp2`	`The 1/24 qtopia jffs wouldn't burn for me`
`01:53.31`	`wurp2`	`I may have gotten an incomplete image somehow`
`01:53.42`	`wurp2`	`copied the file before the download was complete or something`
`01:54.19`	`wurp2`	`Now a Dumb User question for qtopia... is there a way to import all SIM contacts to phone?`
`01:54.46`	`ljp`	`good question`
`01:56.13`	`br3n`	`ljp, how is being owned by the big N working out...`
`01:56.48`	`ljp`	`they dont own TT yet. just offered`
`01:57.02`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`wurp2: I have 2 Bypass change all 4 numbers to 0s`
`01:57.12`	`br3n`	`ljp, okay`
`01:57.37`	`wurp2`	`KrisAbsinthe: Only one`
`01:57.44`	`wurp2`	`KrisAbsinthe: Lemme look`
`01:58.06`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`I have mono bypass and bypass volume`
`01:58.07`	`wurp2`	`KrisAbsinthe: I have 4 Bypass entries`
`01:58.17`	`wurp2`	`KrisAbsinthe: But only one starts with 'Bypass`
`01:58.22`	`wurp2`	`KrisAbsinthe: (including the ')`
`01:58.32`	`wurp2`	`And that one has value.0 and value.1`
`01:58.34`	`wurp2`	`set both to 0`
`01:58.44`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`cool thx`
`01:58.47`	`wurp2`	`np`
`01:59.59`	`wurp2`	`I think I have found a qtopia bug`
`02:00.11`	`wurp2`	`I can't import a second contact from the SIM with the same name`
`02:00.36`	`wurp2`	`Or even another contact with an existing name followed by a space and some other stuff`
`02:03.13`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`my 'Bypass Playback Volume' has a value of 0 and 5 is that the right one`
`02:03.32`	`wurp2`	`Hmm, I woulda thought they would both be 5`
`02:03.38`	`wurp2`	`I think mine were initially`
`02:03.44`	`wurp2`	`Maybe yours is partially fixed...`
`02:03.49`	`wurp2`	`Anyway, make 'em both 0`
`02:03.58`	`wurp2`	`that is the right entry`
`02:04.25`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`sweet, now ill havbe to drive tomorrow to test this`
`02:08.05`	`ljp`	`hmm`
`02:09.29`	`wurp2`	`It seems reproducible`
`02:09.48`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`congrats, you broke it`
`02:09.49`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`lol`
`02:09.50`	`wurp2`	`For none of my contacts where I had multiple SIM contacts w/ the same name would any but the first import`
`02:10.20`	`wurp2`	`Names that started the same were fine, unless the first character not the same was an extra space on the other name`
`02:10.30`	`wurp2`	`i.e. both "Matt R" and "Matt E" import fine`
`02:10.44`	`wurp2`	`but "Mike" then prevents "Mike Cell" from coming in`
`02:10.45`	`ljp`	`same name different numbers?`
`02:10.51`	`wurp2`	`yes`
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`02:11.00`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`Thats crap`
`02:11.21`	`wurp2`	`yeah, it works so much worse than SIM import feature on OM ;-)`
`02:13.28`	`wurp2`	`crap, I have a counterexample on the "same except for some stuff after a space" problem`
`02:13.34`	`wurp2`	`So let me double check that one`
`02:13.50`	`wurp2`	`The multiple contacts with the same name (diff number) is definitely failing, though`
`02:14.15`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`maybe it only imports a certain number of chars`
`02:15.24`	`wurp2`	`OK, I was definitely full of crap on the spaces problem`
`02:16.11`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`The QT source is open right?`
`02:16.14`	`wurp2`	`wtf`
`02:16.31`	`wurp2`	`However, "Mike n Kendra" imported as "Mike Kendra"`
`02:16.47`	`wurp2`	`and "mike r teksys" imported as "mike teksys"`
`02:17.00`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`Sounds like there maybe Font issues?`
`02:17.11`	`niklauz`	`teksystems?`
`02:17.22`	`wurp2`	`but "Matt E" and "Matt R" both imported fine`
`02:17.26`	`wurp2`	`niklauz: Yep :-)`
`02:17.43`	`wurp2`	`I am going corp-to-corp through them to Southwest Airlines right now`
`02:18.22`	`niklauz`	`cool, what part of the county r u in?`
`02:18.31`	`wurp2`	`Dallas/Fort Worth`
`02:18.53`	`wurp2`	`The SW HQ is right next to Love Field in Dallas`
`02:18.58`	`niklauz`	`ah! i'm in the opposite end of the country, Baltimore/MD :-)`
`02:19.15`	`wurp2`	`I used to be over in Richmond VA`
`02:19.27`	`wurp2`	`Cost of living seemed to skyrocket as we drove north from there...`
`02:20.06`	`niklauz`	`baltimore is somewhat of an anomaly to that (for the time being at least)`
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`02:22.19`	`wurp2`	`ah, but "Bobby" seems to prevent "Bobby W" from importing from the SIM`
`02:23.14`	`wurp2`	`ljp: That's what made me report the weird space issue, but the issue seems to be that if a name is "First X blah blah blah" it imports as "First blah blah blah"`
`02:24.11`	`wurp2`	`time to go - see y'all later`
`02:30.28`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`2/10 Image plays MP3s very low volume`
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`02:32.58`	`wimpies`	`Just installed 20071201 but GUI looks Odd (Home screen has window decorations). Is this config or snapshot related ?`
`02:33.47`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`probably config, maybe matchbox-desktop loaded?`
`02:34.14`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`oops matchbox-windowmanager`
`02:34.29`	`wimpies`	`donno, just flashed jffs2 on wiki ... that's it ...`
`02:35.02`	`wimpies`	`is this the correct image ? OpenMoko-openmoko-image-glibc-ipk-Snapshot-20071201-fic-gta01.rootfs`
`02:35.22`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`should be a .jiffs2 right`
`02:35.45`	`wimpies`	`it is`
`02:35.57`	`wimpies`	`(copy and paste error )`
`02:36.13`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`looks ok to me, but i cant remember back that far, i stay on the "bleeding edge" im om 2/10 (tomorrows)`
`02:36.43`	`wimpies`	`Don't mind bleeding version too ... but where can I download it ?`
`02:37.02`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`http://buildhost.openmoko.org/daily/neo1973/deploy/glibc/images/neo1973/?C=M;O=D`
`02:37.08`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`watch out there are GTA02 images too`
`02:37.50`	`wimpies`	`02/10 has arrived ...`
`02:38.40`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`MP3 audio is a bit low out of the speakers`
`02:39.08`	`wimpies`	`Just want the device to 'show off' investors ...`
`02:39.36`	`Kero`	`wimpies: the day or the image?`
`02:39.54`	`wimpies`	`kero : the image ...`
`02:40.11`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`check out my screen shot http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/636cae0f2f59e567fdf84ca9f295847a.png`
`02:40.27`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`Me too lol`
`02:40.33`	`wimpies`	`Hmm does look better than mine ...`
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`02:41.20`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`I am currently Listening to Wumpscut out of the Headphones ONLY lol`
`02:41.23`	`wimpies`	`Wimpie not :)`
`02:41.38`	`wimpies`	`flashing 2/10 version now`
`02:42.08`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`I put the latest kernel too, hoping there are some PM fixes`
`02:42.44`	`wimpies`	`I have 2.6.22.5 ... is that the latest ?`
`02:42.59`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`I think so, thats what i grabbed`
`02:44.00`	`wimpies`	`PM surely sucks for GTA01, hope they find solution soon. Actually have 2 Neo's here, one with Qtopia (nice) and 1 with OM (still needs some work)`
`02:44.45`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`QT has a problem with importing from Sim apparently`
`02:45.28`	`wimpies`	`Yes, software assumes single FS I presume... they do have a 'rescan' button now I noticed but have not tried yet`
`02:45.52`	`wimpies`	`Seems to be an os/X version floating around too`
`02:46.17`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`for the Neo`
`02:46.34`	`wimpies`	`yes`
`02:46.42`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`Thats strange`
`02:47.11`	`wimpies`	`seen some screenshots ... cannot remember where I read the link ...was it the mailing list ? Think so`
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`03:39.20`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`pardon me, 2/10 BT up via the BT Icon`
`03:42.26`	`niklauz`	`KrisAbsinthe: how the BT signal strength?`
`03:43.08`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`Its good, GTA02's is broken`
`03:43.28`	`niklauz`	`oh, it's a hw problem then?`
`03:43.58`	`KrisAbsinthe`	`probably . I dont think the 02 will be out next month`
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`06:54.27`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: 03werner * r4033 10/developers/werner/scr2ppm.pl: scr2ppm.pl: converts from a screen dump to a PPM file`
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`07:51.28`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: 03werner * r4034 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (series uboot-s3c2410-nand.patch): (log message trimmed)`
`07:51.28`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: Reverted the removal of the __board_nand_init change in`
`07:51.28`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: uboot-s3c2410-nand.patch`
`07:51.28`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: series:`
`07:51.28`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: - re-added uboot-s3c2410-nand.patch`
`07:51.30`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: uboot-s3c2410-nand.patch:`
`07:51.32`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: - include/s3c24x0.h, cpu/arm920t/s3c24x0/nand.c: make board_nand_init a weak`
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`07:57.52`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: 03werner * r4035 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (env-override.patch series uboot-gta02.patch): (log message trimmed)`
`07:57.52`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: This patch introduces a new variable at a well-known address that can be`
`07:57.52`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: overwritten from the outsite to change the startup behaviour of u-boot. This`
`07:57.52`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: variable is at offset 0x40 (if preboot-override is not enabled) or 0x44 (if`
`07:57.54`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: it is), and it points to an alternate data block to be used as the default`
`07:57.56`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: environment.`
`07:57.58`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: This makes not-default-env.patch obsolete, because we just use this override`
`07:58.31`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: 03werner * r4036 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/scripts/build: Upgraded to GIT_HEAD 37e3c62fa07a823e7569c872e3a9395d227ed8e3, SVN_REV 4035.`
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`08:50.29`	`Hopscotch`	`good morning`
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`10:01.12`	`affen`	`f you use this new version of the MokoMakefile, you can ignore everything below and just continue building OM-2007.2 in the same way that you previously built images (i.e. according to http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile). << now I see this line :P`
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`10:06.41`	`PBeck`	`hi`
`10:17.28`	`ahven`	`mmkay, how much space does my openmoko compilation need? at 11GB now :)`
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`10:17.58`	`online_`	`hello`
`10:19.13`	`online_`	`is it possible to get some help?`
`10:19.29`	`ahven`	`maybe`
`10:20.54`	`online_`	`I'm trying to build open moko`
`10:21.07`	`online_`	`however it seems to have a problem with svn`
`10:21.17`	`online_`	`cant open,`
`10:21.28`	`ahven`	`can't open?`
`10:21.34`	`online_`	`for some reason this operation is not permitted`
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`10:21.59`	`online_`	`svn: In directory 'trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/moko-gtk-engine'`
`10:21.59`	`online_`	`svn: Can't open 'trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/moko-gtk-engine/.svn/tmp/COPYING.tmp.tmp': Operation not permitted`
`10:21.59`	`online_`	`make: *** [stamps/openmoko] Error 1`
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`10:23.20`	`online_`	`ahven: are you there?`
`10:23.45`	`ahven`	`hmm, can you view the file contents to verify that your are able to access it?`
`10:23.59`	`ahven`	`e.g. cat`
`10:24.05`	`online_`	`I am root`
`10:24.14`	`online_`	`should that not be sufficient?`
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`10:24.44`	`ahven`	`and the file is there?`
`10:25.20`	`ahven`	`blah`
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`10:27.29`	`online_`	`ahven: looks like I cant find it`
`10:27.37`	`ahven`	`have you tried http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/MokoMakefile#Build_issues ?`
`10:28.01`	`online_`	`yep`
`10:28.02`	`ahven`	`something seems to be wrong with the svn, looks to me`
`10:28.32`	`ahven`	`and you are not running out of space?`
`10:29.09`	`online_`	`I was initially, however I have put it on my external drive`
`10:30.19`	`ahven`	`on what task is that svn checkout happening?`
`10:30.31`	`ahven`	`currently building it myself`
`10:32.49`	`online_`	`yep it is missing files, not sure why`
`10:33.27`	`ahven`	`currently at 2217 and no errors so far, only free space problems`
`10:35.39`	`ahven`	`try 3 times once more and report to rwhitby :)`
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`10:35.55`	`online_`	`yes it needs 12G, it is a massive project`
`10:36.05`	`online_`	`but space is not my problem`
`10:36.24`	`ahven`	`12? I think I have exceeded that already :)`
`10:36.34`	`online_`	`possible`
`10:36.43`	`online_`	`12G is the recommended specification`
`10:36.54`	`online_`	`is there any way to delete an installation?`
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`10:37.02`	`online_`	`such that space can be recovered?`
`10:37.56`	`ahven`	`installation of what?`
`10:37.56`	`online_`	`like a build script to uninstall`
`10:38.05`	`ahven`	`don't know`
`10:38.13`	`online_`	`never mind`
`10:38.21`	`online_`	`trying it over now`
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`10:39.27`	`online_`	`A trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/moko-gtk-engine/README`
`10:39.27`	`online_`	`svn: In directory 'trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/moko-gtk-engine'`
`10:39.27`	`online_`	`svn: Can't open 'trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/moko-gtk-engine/.svn/tmp/COPYING.tmp.tmp': Operation not permitted`
`10:39.27`	`online_`	`make: *** [stamps/openmoko] Error 1`
`10:39.52`	`online_`	`as you suggested this is simply because the file does not exist`
`10:40.13`	`online_`	`why is it looking for a file that does not exist in the first palace?`
`10:40.46`	`Mek`	`because it should be existing on any non-broken svn checkout?`
`10:40.47`	`ahven`	`the index refers to it, but it isn't there? don't know how svn works`
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`10:41.33`	`online_`	`is there any way to solve this?`
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`10:42.10`	`ahven`	`online_: on what tasknumber is that svn checkout happening?`
`10:42.47`	`online_`	`not sure`
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`10:52.43`	`online_`	`ahven: how can I get to know the task number`
`10:52.57`	`online_`	`have been looking all over and dont seem to find it`
`10:53.08`	`ahven`	`NOTE: Running task 2305 of 5344`
`10:53.15`	`ahven`	`lines starting like this`
`10:53.34`	`online_`	`it does not display that`
`10:53.35`	`online_`	`?`
`10:53.51`	`online_`	`and my terminal does not allow me to scroll up any way`
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`10:57.50`	`CoreDump\|afk`	`you need a better terminal then ;)`
`10:58.00`	`cdbot2`	`* * OM Bug 1224 has been created by balrogg(AT)gmail.com`
`10:58.01`	`cdbot2`	`* * Qemu-neo1973 needs to pass the init script through the preboot-override`
`10:58.02`	`cdbot2`	`* * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1224`
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`10:59.23`	`online_`	`CoreDump\|afk: a simple command could solve that`
`11:00.11`	`CoreDump\|afk`	`so could any reasonable terminal out there shrug`
`11:02.57`	`online_`	`just using the default of my distribution`
`11:03.01`	`online_`	`noting special`
`11:05.07`	`CoreDump\|afk`	`to be honest, I've never seen a terminal app that couldn't scroll`
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`11:41.59`	`online_`	`hi`
`11:42.45`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: 03andrew * r4037 10/trunk/src/host/qemu-neo1973/hw/neo1973.c: Use u-boot's preboot-override to set up an initial environment on the first run.`
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`12:16.41`	`ruskie`	`L7, stop iniviting me or I'll report you to the staff...`
`12:16.54`	`online_`	`hi`
`12:17.11`	`online_`	`how is it possible to download open moko its SVN`
`12:17.24`	`online_`	`if it located here`
`12:17.25`	`online_`	`http://svn.openmoko.org/`
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`12:18.03`	`online_`	`I have this error that says that I am missing a file, and though that if I manually downloaded it it would be sorted`
`12:19.03`	`PBeck`	`ruskie: aggressive promoting? :)`
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`12:20.39`	`ruskie`	`PBeck, if you consider invites to #world-politics promoting...`
`12:23.46`	`L7`	`I call it a civil and sincere invitation, I started it yesterday and figured it would be nice to see a few people.`
`12:23.56`	`L7`	`I apologize if I upset any one.`
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`12:32.48`	`PBeck`	`ruskie: :>`
`12:33.20`	`ruskie`	`:)`
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`12:33.36`	`online__`	`hello`
`12:34.37`	`online__`	`have a small inconvenience, this is that I am not able to access the SVN repository for openmoko`
`12:35.06`	`online__`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:35.06`	`online__`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:35.06`	`online__`	`<PROTECTED>`
`12:35.29`	`online__`	`is there any one in this channel that is able to resolve this?`
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`13:15.48`	`online_`	`is any one here?`
`13:17.22`	`*** join/#openmoko abraxa__ (n=abraxa@pD95FF5C8.dip.t-dialin.net)`
`13:18.34`	`online__`	`look I am trying to build openmoko with qemu`
`13:18.44`	`online__`	`but there is some thing wrong with svn`
`13:19.03`	`online__`	`for some reason I am not able to access a file from the repository`
`13:19.24`	`online__`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:19.24`	`online__`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:19.24`	`online__`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:19.54`	`online__`	`is there any one in this channel that can look into this`
`13:20.09`	`online__`	`or tell me why it is not able to access the repository?`
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`13:26.09`	`edistar_`	`online_: yeah`
`13:26.50`	`online_`	`edistar: you mean there is some one active, or you know what I can do to get this running`
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`14:09.16`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: 03mickey * r4038 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-terminal2/src/mainwindow.vala: openmoko-terminal2: improve -e command line parsing (patch by Håko)`
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`14:25.48`	`online__`	`CIA-16: you see to be the only person online`
`14:26.13`	`online__`	`is it possible that you know the answer to my problem`
`14:26.35`	`online__`	`Every time I run the build file it complains about missing files`
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`14:27.23`	`online__`	`what can I do to get the whole repository on my hd?`
`14:32.07`	`abraxa_`	`online__: Using mokomakefile?`
`14:32.13`	`online__`	`yes`
`14:32.27`	`online__`	`I have got it from the wiki`
`14:32.40`	`online__`	`I need some help`
`14:32.40`	`abraxa_`	`Try deleting the "openmoko" directory so SVN will check out everything from scratch`
`14:32.55`	`online__`	`I have tried that`
`14:33.23`	`abraxa_`	`That's odd`
`14:33.26`	`online__`	`if I run it twice with the same folder then it starts complaing about not finding the config file`
`14:33.49`	`abraxa_`	`What do you mean - twice with the same folder?`
`14:34.04`	`online__`	`as I say`
`14:34.32`	`online__`	`after deleting then it does not work, when I retry it then it does not work for a different reason`
`14:34.37`	`abraxa_`	`Ah`
`14:34.46`	`online__`	`when I delete the folder then it comes back with the same problem`
`14:35.28`	`abraxa_`	`Do you have the openmoko directory around now?`
`14:35.49`	`online__`	`I have created a new one`
`14:35.55`	`abraxa_`	`Ah`
`14:35.58`	`online__`	`and downloaded the makefile to it`
`14:36.46`	`abraxa_`	`So you have the makefile (and only the makefile) in something like ~/openmoko ?`
`14:37.00`	`online__`	`yes`
`14:37.06`	`abraxa_`	`okay`
`14:37.13`	`abraxa_`	`Try doing "make setup" in there then, please`
`14:37.20`	`online__`	`ok`
`14:37.35`	`online__`	`when I do that it complains about creating a dynamic link`
`14:37.41`	`online__`	`I'll try it again`
`14:37.45`	`CoreDump\|afk`	`meh...`
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`14:37.51`	maki``	`hello`
`14:37.59`	`CoreDump\|afk`	`which FS are you using?`
`14:38.09`	`abraxa_`	heya maki``, coredump
`14:38.19`	`CoreDump\|afk`	`greetings`
`14:38.20`	maki``	`i need help, i use the unstable openmoko software`
`14:38.48`	`abraxa_`	maki``: I'd be happy if there were a stable one ;) - what do you need help with?
`14:38.58`	maki``	`iif i attemp to connect to the ssh server, i obtain ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.202 port 22: Connection refused`
`14:39.13`	maki``	`i use mandriva 2008`
`14:39.19`	`abraxa_`	maki``: Do you have the necessary kernel modules installed/loaded?
`14:39.34`	maki``	`in the openmoko ? or in my computer ?`
`14:39.38`	`abraxa_`	`Computer`
`14:39.50`	maki``	`what's name of modules ?`
`14:40.09`	`online__`	`abraxa_: because it will take some time before it is done I have here the error that it gave me last time I did this wrong`
`14:40.11`	maki``	`sorry for my english`
`14:40.11`	`online__`	`( ln -sfn ../../openmoko/trunk/src/host/openembedded/site.conf build/conf/site.conf )`
`14:40.12`	`online__`	ln: creating symbolic link `build/conf/site.conf' to `../../openmoko/trunk/src/host/openembedded/site.conf': Operation not permitted
`14:40.27`	`abraxa_`	`online__: What FS are you using?`
`14:40.32`	`CoreDump\|afk`	`online_: <CoreDump\|afk> which FS are you using?`
`14:41.10`	`online__`	`I would think it is 85 linux extended probably three, why ?`
`14:41.26`	`CoreDump`	`that is a partition type, not a filesystem`
`14:41.40`	`abraxa_`	maki``: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973#By_using_Ethernet_emulation_over_a_USB_cable
`14:41.46`	maki``	`i have just loaded "modprobe cdc_ether"`
`14:41.57`	maki``	`yes i read this :)`
`14:42.02`	`CoreDump`	`no symlinks usually means the victim is using some MS FS.....`
`14:42.17`	maki``	`iptable problem ?`
`14:42.32`	`online__`	`lol, I understand, that is not my case, linux`
`14:43.00`	`CoreDump`	`you still didn't answer the question ;)`
`14:43.15`	`online__`	`I?`
`14:43.16`	`abraxa_`	maki``: Does ifconfig show the usb0 interface?
`14:43.34`	maki``	`yes, 1 second i paste this`
`14:43.38`	`abraxa_`	`oki`
`14:43.44`	`Gottox`	`online__: mount gives you the mounted filesystems`
`14:43.53`	maki``	`http://pastebin.com/m2945bc71`
`14:43.54`	maki``	`:)`
`14:44.07`	`CoreDump`	`online_: yes. to even begin debug your problem, we need to know the filesystem on the partition you are downloading the software to`
`14:44.31`	`abraxa_`	`online__: The symbolic link it tries to create is dependent on a file checked out from SVN - since your SVN checkout seems to fail, this might be the culprit`
`14:44.38`	`online__`	`ext3, as I told you`
`14:44.51`	maki``	`i successly connect to the ssh server by the terminal`
`14:44.56`	maki``	`and not by the computer`
`14:45.03`	`CoreDump`	`online_: not to me`
`14:45.24`	`CoreDump`	`online_: your partition might be mounted with some fancy mount options`
`14:45.28`	`online__`	`<online__> I would think it is 85 linux extended probably three, why ?`
`14:45.42`	`online__`	`is possible, not sure`
`14:45.46`	`CoreDump`	`<CoreDump> that is a partition type, not a filesystem`
`14:45.54`	`online__`	`I am not an expert, just running a build script really`
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`14:46.15`	`abraxa_`	`online__: "mount" will tell you what FS it is`
`14:46.16`	`online__`	`I appreciate the help, have been about this all morning`
`14:46.48`	`CoreDump`	`you could set your partition to 85 and still format it with NTFS or some other garbage ;)`
`14:46.48`	`online__`	`/dev/sda4 on / type ext3 , this is the filesystem`
`14:46.57`	`abraxa_`	`okay`
`14:47.15`	`online__`	`I set it up myself I know the one`
`14:47.22`	`abraxa_`	maki``: Can you ping 192.168.0.202 then?
`14:47.30`	`CoreDump`	`online_: try a ln -s /bin/false /tmp/false`
`14:47.34`	maki``	`hey good question !`
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`14:47.46`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: 03mickey * r4039 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-terminal2/src/mainwindow.vala: openmoko-terminal: handle -x option`
`14:47.51`	maki``	`second i paste :)`
`14:47.54`	`online__`	`yes that works fine`
`14:48.09`	`abraxa_`	`online__: Then I don't see why ssh would fail`
`14:48.13`	`CoreDump`	maki``: make sure (with ifconfig -a) that no other device has this IP than usb0
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`14:48.27`	maki``	`http://pastebin.com/m314236c8`
`14:48.39`	`CoreDump`	`I ran into this problem when my eth0 was set to this IP....`
`14:48.42`	maki``	`i successfuly ping 192.168.0.200 and not 192.168.0.202 :(`
`14:48.44`	`online__`	`abraxa_: ssh, secure shell?`
`14:49.29`	`abraxa_`	maki``: Can you ping 192.168.0.200 from the Neo?
`14:49.32`	`abraxa_`	`online__: yeap`
`14:49.43`	maki``	`i test`
`14:49.47`	`online__`	`how is that related?`
`14:49.53`	maki``	`ifconfig in the openmoko say about lo and usb0`
`14:50.06`	`CoreDump`	`online_: please pastebin the full output of "df", "mount" and also the full path to the openmoko folder`
`14:51.50`	maki``	`abraxa_: i don't have response`
`14:51.59`	maki``	`Host lookup failure`
`14:52.54`	`abraxa_`	maki``: Okay. Do you have the usbnet module loaded on your host?
`14:52.59`	`abraxa_`	`(just making sure)`
`14:53.09`	maki``	`in the computer ?`
`14:53.13`	`abraxa_`	`Yeah`
`14:53.20`	maki``	`modprobe usbnet ?`
`14:53.22`	`abraxa_`	`You need cdc_ether and usbnet`
`14:53.25`	`abraxa_`	`Yep`
`14:53.31`	maki``	`i have loaded cdc_ether`
`14:53.33`	maki``	`and no usbnet`
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`14:54.49`	maki``	`i have loaded the modules, and don't have changing`
`14:54.56`	`online__`	`http://pastebin.com/m23ba6556`
`14:54.58`	maki``	`i need more manipulations ?`
`14:55.42`	maki``	`From 192.168.0.200 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable`
`14:56.02`	maki``	`i have the same issu`
`14:56.11`	`abraxa_`	maki``: Please try "ping -I usb0 192.168.0.202"
`14:56.28`	`online__`	`abraxa_: did not get a complaint about the ln`
`14:56.36`	`online__`	`the problem is SVN`
`14:56.45`	`online__`	`svn: In directory 'trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/moko-gtk-engine'`
`14:56.45`	`online__`	`svn: Can't open 'trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/libraries/moko-gtk-engine/.svn/tmp/COPYING.tmp.tmp': Operation not permitted`
`14:56.45`	`online__`	`make: *** [setup-openmoko] Error 1`
`14:56.52`	maki``	`abraxa_: http://pastebin.com/m75960c7e`
`14:57.15`	`CoreDump`	`online_: Your OM path is /media/STORAGE/OM, according to "mount" this directory is a VFAT partition. There's your problem`
`14:57.28`	maki``	`the neo is a superb toy :)`
`14:58.05`	`online__`	`CoreDump: yes you are right`
`14:58.16`	`online__`	`I did not pick this up`
`14:58.30`	`online__`	`I get that sorted`
`14:58.46`	`CoreDump`	`no worries ;) Move to OM folder to a Linux F and you'll be fine`
`14:58.49`	`online__`	`is it possible to do it on that partition?`
`14:59.11`	`abraxa_`	`online__: Just to make sure... do you know you can use qemu without having to build OpenMoko locally first?`
`14:59.13`	`online__`	`ok that answers the question`
`14:59.46`	`online__`	`abraxa_: I did not think about that`
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`15:00.03`	`online__`	`but I would like to build openmoko, as I will need it`
`15:00.24`	`online__`	`did you see the past I made that complains about SVN?`
`15:00.42`	`abraxa_`	`online__: Okay, just saying... cause qemu might be a bit of a disappointment, performance-wise.`
`15:01.52`	`online__`	`I realise that there are better emulators available`
`15:02.09`	`online__`	`but I am not worries, I have enough memory`
`15:02.31`	maki``	`what is 192.168.0.200 ?`
`15:02.45`	`abraxa_`	maki``: .0.200 is your computer, .0.202 is the neo
`15:02.57`	maki``	`okey :)`
`15:03.20`	`abraxa_`	maki``: Something on your computer seems to be wrong cause usb0 exists - and yet, ping doesn't work
`15:03.57`	maki``	`mandriva have shorewall + iptables`
`15:04.05`	`CoreDump`	`tried setting up usb0 manually? ie: ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200`
`15:04.12`	`online__`	`abraxa_: do you know what is causing this error with SVN`
`15:04.23`	`online__`	`and why I am not able to build open moko?`
`15:04.24`	maki``
`15:04.24`	maki``	`The problem may be coming from there?`
`15:04.56`	maki``	`ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 <<< no result in the screen`
`15:05.09`	`anrp`	`maybe your home network uses 192.168.0.0-255, so the preexisting route goes over 802.11 or ethernet and the new route doesn't`
`15:05.16`	`anrp`	`pastebin 'route -n' , maybe`
`15:05.24`	`CoreDump`	`online_: We told you. You are using a MS FS that does not support symlinks and other Linux features`
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`15:05.32`	`abraxa_`	`online__: Could be because of vfat as well`
`15:05.40`	maki``	`i have by the french provider , the "neufbox"`
`15:05.50`	`CoreDump`	`move your OM dir to a Linux FS and you will be fine`
`15:05.51`	maki``	`second`
`15:06.19`	maki``	`http://pastebin.com/m775a5083`
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`15:06.25`	`abraxa_`	maki``: Maybe shorewall/iptables are blocking the packets indeed.
`15:06.41`	`anrp`	`D: .. nope, i am wrong`
`15:07.17`	`CoreDump`	maki``: iptables -F ; iptables -X ; iptables -t NAT -F should remove any iptables rules
`15:07.39`	maki``	`it's not dangerous ?`
`15:07.40`	`anrp`	`you could try telnet 192.168.0.202 22, if it prints out something about SSH then its working (just ping doesn't work)`
`15:08.15`	maki``	`i try this manipulation CoreDump`
`15:08.19`	`CoreDump`	`not if you are behind a router / NAT box`
`15:08.35`	`Mononoke`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:08.44`	`abraxa_`	`lol Mononoke`
`15:09.08`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: 03mickey * r4040 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/daemons/neod/src/buttonactions.c: neod: revert to using g_timeout_add for the button timeout. add_seconds may add too much latency`
`15:09.08`	`Mononoke`	`could anyone try it ? :)`
`15:09.14`	`Mononoke`	`http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/27704/info`
`15:09.49`	`mak163_`	`i am having a slight issue when building the openmoko-devel-image, sqlite complains of trying to write to a readonly database, anyone familiar with this problem?`
`15:10.51`	`anrp`	`lol, all of 2.6`
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`15:11.09`	`maki_`	`brutal disconnection after iptable -`
`15:11.17`	`anrp`	`oops ~_~`
`15:11.25`	`abraxa_`	`Mononoke: "It should work well, but I don't remeber original intent of all the code" - damn... I want to smoke what that guy has`
`15:11.50`	`abraxa_`	`maki_: ...but could you ping your Neo? That's the important question :D`
`15:11.55`	`CoreDump`	`=)`
`15:11.57`	`abraxa_`	`Who cares about the internet!`
`15:12.15`	`maki_`	`lol`
`15:12.32`	`maki_`	`please copy / paste your commands ? i retry`
`15:12.45`	`CoreDump`	`I guess the default policies were set to "DENY"`
`15:12.52`	`maki_`	`ping -c5 192.168.0.202 after disconnection ?`
`15:13.00`	`abraxa_`	`maki_: iptables -F ; iptables -X ; iptables -t NAT -F`
`15:13.05`	`CoreDump`	`hold it`
`15:13.21`	`CoreDump`	`you need to unb0rk the policies before doing that`
`15:13.43`	`maki_`	`go :)`
`15:13.49`	`maki_`	`thnak in advance`
`15:13.54`	`abraxa_`	`maki_: Wait a sec`
`15:13.56`	`CoreDump`	`iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT ; iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT ; iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT`
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`15:15.52`	`abraxa_`	`CoreDump: Looks like he was too fast`
`15:16.09`	`CoreDump`	`=)`
`15:16.24`	`maki_`	`I can try now?`
`15:16.40`	`abraxa_`	`maki_: The commands CoreDump posted last, yeah`
`15:16.46`	`abraxa_`	`They won't kick you off`
`15:17.07`	`maki_`	`okey, thank, i try :)`
`15:17.47`	`maki_`	`i'm not disconneted, good`
`15:19.41`	`maki_`	`same response from 192.168.0.202`
`15:21.58`	`CoreDump`	`and after iptables -F ; iptables -X ; iptables -t NAT -F ?`
`15:22.10`	`CoreDump`	`this time it shouldn't drop you offline`
`15:22.53`	`maki_`	`after, who command i try ?`
`15:23.16`	`maki_`	`sorry`
`15:23.22`	`maki_`	`after, what commands i try ?`
`15:24.17`	`CoreDump`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:24.42`	`maki_`	`from the reboot, i have entried this commands :`
`15:25.12`	`maki_`	`<PROTECTED>`
`15:25.30`	`maki_`	`and iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT ; iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT ; iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT`
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`15:27.04`	`maki_`	`i try your command CoreDump :)`
`15:28.20`	`maki_`	`hey`
`15:28.27`	`maki_`	`you save my neo :D`
`15:28.33`	`maki_`	`thanks !`
`15:28.47`	`maki_`	`and open my pc :(`
`15:28.51`	`maki_`	`it's work ! :)`
`15:28.54`	`abraxa_`	`yay!`
`15:28.58`	`CoreDump`	`excellent`
`15:29.15`	`maki_`	`i use the lastest mandriva 2008 for information`
`15:29.19`	`CoreDump`	`now study the documentation of that firewall of yours on how to allow usb0`
`15:30.07`	`maki_`	`i like to save my firewall :(`
`15:30.33`	`maki_`	`very thank for your help !`
`15:30.35`	`CoreDump`	`you can allow usb0 through your firewall and still be "safe"`
`15:30.47`	`CoreDump`	`np, glad it worked out`
`15:31.08`	`maki_`	`Can you tell me how ? please`
`15:31.30`	`CoreDump`	`sorry, I don't use a firewall`
`15:32.26`	`maki_`	`last small question : Where is the bell ? in the filesystem`
`15:32.46`	`CoreDump`	`the what?`
`15:32.46`	`maki_`	`i like to change this :)`
`15:32.58`	`maki_`	`the melody`
`15:33.15`	`CoreDump`	`beats me =) Haven't played with neo in ages`
`15:34.11`	`maki_`	`okey, thank :)`
`15:34.15`	`abraxa_`	`maki_: /usr/share/openmoko/sounds/`
`15:34.23`	`maki_`	`very thank`
`15:34.30`	`maki_`	`have a good day !`
`15:34.35`	`abraxa_`	`You, too!`
`15:34.40`	`CoreDump`	`cya`
`15:34.45`	`Mononoke`	`meh study of coding + philosophy of language is fun`
`15:34.55`	`Mononoke`	`o/`
`15:35.31`	`zash`	`LOL, the pay-for-wifi was owned`
`15:35.56`	`zash`	`ip forwarding + masquerade`
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`15:42.55`	`CoreDump`	`860 upgraded, 56 newly installed, 2 to remove and 3 not upgraded. cough`
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`16:00.16`	`online_`	`hi`
`16:00.18`	`online_`	`back`
`16:00.25`	`online_`	`have changed my file system`
`16:00.41`	`online_`	`abraxa_: still having the same problem with SVN`
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`16:42.59`	`mwester`	`ERROR: '['/u/moko/openembedded/packages/gpsd/gpsd_2.34.bb']' RDEPENDS/RRECOMMENDS or otherwise requires the runtime entity 'python-ncurses' but it wasn't found in any PACKAGE or RPROVIDES variables`
`16:43.40`	`mwester`	`^^^^^ whomever has been working on the gpsd stuff, it's broken and it's preventing OM from building -- could you fix it, please?`
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`16:44.26`	`Blastur`	`hehe`
`16:44.29`	`Blastur`	`you go girl!`
`16:44.57`	`Blastur`	`<3 mwester for commiting to embedded projects`
`16:45.10`	`mwester`	`hehe - I'm cranky this morning. I know it's "bleeding edge", but that's no excuse for leaving it unbuildable for two days.`
`16:45.32`	`Blastur`	`i agree`
`16:45.55`	`Blastur`	`i wish i knew more about these things, im trying to learn, but it feels like the build systems and projects evolve faster than i learn`
`16:46.07`	`Blastur`	`so no matter what i do, im always a few years behind :)`
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`17:50.21`	`zdanek`	`hello all`
`17:50.56`	`zdanek`	`guys, anybody has build with enabled SD booting?`
`18:01.13`	`SpeedEvil`	`I don't remember who did it.`
`18:04.27`	`zdanek`	`lot of people has OM with booting from SD but did everybody build ther own image?`
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`18:05.55`	`SpeedEvil`	`I don't see a reason why cp wouldn't work to copy it over for booting`
`18:07.17`	`edistar`	`SpeedEvil: wasn't it ScaredyCat?`
`18:08.14`	`SpeedEvil`	`Possibly, yes`
`18:08.37`	`zdanek`	`SpeedEvil: the problem is that http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Booting_from_SD#Step_1:_Change_your_kernel_settings`
`18:08.43`	`zdanek`	`you need special build`
`18:08.49`	`zdanek`	`according to that wiki page`
`18:10.05`	`zdanek`	`latest fs images are so huge that there's about 2MB left`
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`18:18.02`	`mwester`	`Yes, the om distro is in massive need of a diet; it is beyond overweight and is now obviously obese.`
`18:19.09`	`mwester`	`The problem IMO is that while it supports adding packages and feeds, the culture around om has never promoted the use of same -- rather it's been "add it to the image!" (as if I have need of half of the **** dropped on the default image!!)`
`18:19.42`	`ruskie`	`hmm I wonder how OM would run on the eee...`
`18:20.11`	`mwester`	`And I've also heard the comment, when this has been noted, that this isn't a problem -- because the GTA02 will have more flash. Yikes! Talk about a MS attitude! (have disk, will fill it)`
`18:20.30`	`ruskie`	`yup I hate such attitude`
`18:20.31`	`edistar`	`lol`
`18:20.35`	`ruskie`	`it seems to be viral though...`
`18:21.00`	`edistar`	`look at the common distros, filled with loads of software people don't use too`
`18:21.02`	`ruskie`	`"get a better cpu it's cheap" "get a bigger hdd it's cheap" "get more ram it's cheap" "get a better gfx card it's cheap"`
`18:21.13`	`ruskie`	`I simply drop such software`
`18:21.27`	`edistar`	`ruskie: what distro do you have? gentoo?`
`18:21.32`	`ruskie`	`source mage`
`18:21.44`	`mwester`	`I've noted with some amusement the success of the "Live" distros -- it's amazing what you can do with a single CD's worth of software, isn't it?`
`18:22.07`	`ruskie`	`:)`
`18:22.12`	`edistar`	`mwester: well, it's 700mb!`
`18:22.56`	`ruskie`	`with eee I often get asked: how can you stand having only 4gb hdd...`
`18:23.42`	`ruskie`	`easy... most of the apps I run don't consume half of it :)`
`18:23.55`	`edistar`	`ruskie: is source mage something in between LFS and gentoo?`
`18:24.02`	`ruskie`	`I just wish kazehakase had proper webkit support...`
`18:24.17`	`ruskie`	`edistar, hmmm define "between"`
`18:24.44`	`ruskie`	`http://wiki.sourcemage.org/FAQ/Gentoo/Philosophical <-- here's a nice compare with gentoo`
`18:24.47`	`edistar`	`ruskie: well.. comfort vs control wise`
`18:24.47`	`ruskie`	`if that helps`
`18:25.01`	`edistar`	`ruskie: thx`
`18:25.05`	`ruskie`	`we probably have a lot more control than gentoo`
`18:25.09`	`edistar`	`ok`
`18:25.12`	`ruskie`	`atleast in some parts..`
`18:25.14`	`edistar`	`ruskie: you a developer?`
`18:25.21`	`ruskie`	`yup`
`18:25.37`	`edistar`	`ruskie: never heard of it :) thats why I ask.. but I will try it some time`
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`18:27.18`	`mmontour`	`zdanek: that SD-booting wiki page is out of date. The standard 2.6.22.5 kernel and the latest u-boot snapshot both work for SD-booting (but 2.6.24 is broken)`
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`18:44.06`	`zdanek`	`mmontour: thx for tip, so should I skip the compilation part and then proceed to copying image on SD, right?`
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`18:57.05`	`mwester`	`WOW! That's pretty much broken.`
`18:58.02`	`mmontour`	`zdanek: I didn't use the instructions in the wiki, but it looks like it should work. I used 'netcat' to transfer the image, and un-tar'ed it directly onto the SD card in the Neo.`
`18:59.15`	`zdanek`	`mmontour: I'll fight with it :) And maybe do you know if there's a build with USB host mode enabled?`
`18:59.25`	`zdanek`	`or how to enable it in current builds?`
`18:59.55`	`mmontour`	`Sorry, I haven't looked at the host-mode stuff.`
`19:00.09`	`zdanek`	`it the mistery that only few can solve and noone can really tell how to do it without rebuilding whole kernel`
`19:00.10`	`zdanek`	`ok\`
`19:00.15`	`zdanek`	`thx for help anyway`
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`19:05.27`	`Marcel_M`	`zdanek: http://celtune.morb-design.com/images/fic-gta01/uImage-2.6.22.5-moko11+svnr3238-r10-neo1973.bin should have the usb-host-mode`
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`19:36.54`	`SpeedEvil`	`http://xkcd.com/378/`
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`19:42.29`	`zdanek`	`Marcel_M: thx for link, I was absent`
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`19:51.57`	`mmontour`	`sync`
`19:52.14`	`mmontour`	`(wrong window...)`
`19:53.11`	`Marcel_M`	`zdanek: boot from sd is ok you can take a look at http://celtune.morb-design.com/images/fic-gta01/1-NEWS-WARNING-INFO`
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`20:20.19`	`sarnoso`	`hi all, anybody can help me? -> I'm getting the following error building openmoko-devel-image: ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for task-openmoko-ui`
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`20:32.35`	`mwester`	`sarnoso: we're all waiting for the rest of the message...`
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`21:29.39`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: 03werner * r4041 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/gta01-pcf50606.patch: (log message trimmed)`
`21:29.39`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1182`
`21:29.39`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: by Andrew Paulsen, minus the redundant cast.`
`21:29.39`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: gta01-pcf50606.patch:`
`21:29.39`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: - drivers/i2c/chips/pcf50606.c (adc_read): least significant bits of ADCIN1`
`21:29.43`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: were not shifted correctly`
`21:29.45`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: - drivers/i2c/chips/pcf50606.c (adc_to_chg_milliamps, show_chgcur): math could`
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`22:31.46`	`xcasex`	`what's a good build these days ScaredyCat ?`
`22:32.41`	`zdanek`	`guys, are you having problems with SD cards with latest kernel?`
`22:33.11`	`zdanek`	`I don't see it with df -h`
`22:33.23`	`abraxa_`	`zdanek: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1223`
`22:33.25`	`zdanek`	`as it wouldn't be mounted`
`22:33.45`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: 03werner * r4042 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/pcf50633.patch: (log message trimmed)`
`22:33.45`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: fix-pcf50633-enum-confusion.patch`
`22:33.45`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: From: Andy Green <andy@openmoko.com>`
`22:33.45`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: Confusion in the code about bit indexes and bit values`
`22:33.45`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: in an enum. Fix allows us to reclaim some 4K of text`
`22:33.47`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: space and stop /sys reporting <NULL> for some things`
`22:33.51`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: Signed-off-by: Andy Green <andy@openmoko.com>`
`22:34.02`	`zdanek`	`damn it`
`22:34.10`	`zdanek`	`abraxa_: thx`
`22:34.17`	`abraxa_`	`n`
`22:34.17`	`abraxa_`	`p`
`22:34.18`	`zdanek`	`I have sandisk 2GB`
`22:34.41`	`zdanek`	`okay, goodnight folks`
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`22:49.40`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: 03werner * r4043 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/pcf50633.patch: (log message trimmed)`
`22:49.40`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: From: Andy Green <andy@openmoko.com>`
`22:49.40`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: debug-pcf50633-dump-regs.patch`
`22:49.40`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: Add a /sys node`
`22:49.40`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: cat /sys/devices/platform/s3c2440-i2c/i2c-adapter/i2c-0/0-0073/dump_regs`
`22:49.42`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: to allow us to peer into the dark and terrifying mysteries`
`22:49.46`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: of pcf50633.`
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`22:53.28`	`jaebird`	`:(`
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`23:37.02`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: 03werner * r4044 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/ (config/defconfig-2.6.24 patches/fiq-hdq.patch patches/series): (log message trimmed)`
`23:37.02`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: config/defconfig-2.6.24: added CONFIG_GTA02_HDQ=y`
`23:37.02`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: introduce-fiq-hdq.patch (as fiq-hdq.patch)`
`23:37.02`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: From: Andy Green <andy@openmoko.com>`
`23:37.02`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: This adds a platform driver and device which performs HDQ`
`23:37.06`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: battery protocol using a single GPIO pin which is set`
`23:37.08`	`CIA-16`	`openmoko: through platform data.`
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`23:50.13`	`Blastur`	`a bit off-topic, but anyone know where i can find an estimate of the number of cell phones that exists today? :)`
`23:50.35`	`Stephmw`	`lots?`
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`23:51.02`	`anrp`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_phone#Subscriptions`
`23:51.13`	`anrp`	`The total number of mobile phone subscribers in the world was estimated at 2.14 billion in 2005.[8] The subscriber count reached 2.7 billion by end of 2006 according to Informa[citation needed], and 3.3 billion by November, 2007[9], thus reaching an equivalent of over half the planet's population. Around 80% of the world's population enjoys mobile phone coverage as of 2006. This figure is expected to increase to 90% by the year 2010.[10]`
`23:51.33`	`Stephmw`	`yeah, that's the snippet I'd heard on the news too`
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`23:51.46`	`anrp`	`everyone probably has on average one and a bit phones`
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`23:52.30`	`Blastur`	`thanks`
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`23:52.59`	`AndiM`	`hi guys! does anyone know the state of i2c on 2.6.24? I'm having weird issues on my Motorola E680 when trying to make the LM4857 amp (Neo compatible) work.`
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`23:53.15`	`mwester`	`busted?`
`23:53.47`	`mwester`	`Dunno, but I don't trust it, based on the bootup messages I see on the neo.`
`23:55.35`	`AndiM`	`mwester: I'm getting timeout error and then a "timeout waiting for bus free" on second request, and no interrupt at all ever.`
`23:55.54`	`anrp`	`something sitting on the bus`
`23:56.05`	`anrp`	`only takes one misbehaving chip to break i2c`
`23:56.28`	`anrp`	`of course it could be sw :) but i don't know`
`23:56.32`	`AndiM`	`anrp: urks. I don't have much experience with i2c, I have to admit.`
`23:57.05`	`anrp`	`its a resistive pull up two wire bus; if one chip decides to hold down the lines permanently the bus stops working`
`23:57.13`	`anrp`	`but that's .. somewhat unlikely in a released product`
`23:57.16`	`anrp`	`so i'd suspect the sw`
`23:57.24`	`AndiM`	`anrp: would it be something as simple as initializing that misbehaving chip? OTOH one wouldn't know how to initialize it in case of bus failure ;)`
`23:57.34`	`AndiM`	`anrp: sure, makes a lot of sense.`
`23:58.08`	`AndiM`	`anrp: that thing does work for a fact, the flashed firmware is ok.`
`23:58.30`	`mwester`	`There are a lot of ways to screw up an i2c peripheral. For example, one possible way is to do something that would kill the clock to a part; that might leave it in a state where it holds the bus.`
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`23:59.03`	`mwester`	`My point being that it doesn't have to be the i2c that's the problem in the kernel...`
`23:59.24`	`AndiM`	`there have been clock updates in i2c-pxa.c of 2.6.24 vs. 2.6.23. I'm suspecting that these might be to blame. But some initial debugging didn't help.`

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