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| 00:27.09 | cesarb | Now it no longer has to busy-wait for 5ms with interrupts disabled after coming from slow mode |
| 00:27.39 | cesarb | Instead, it will sleep for 5ms |
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| 00:51.37 | KrisAbsinthe | anyone know how to kill the clock |
| 00:53.49 | smlsfb | still trying to view your hot asian background? |
| 00:54.32 | KrisAbsinthe | LoL that was not me HA |
| 00:55.01 | smlsfb | oops, sorry :) |
| 00:55.09 | smlsfb | just remembered someone mentioning it on the mailing list |
| 00:55.31 | KrisAbsinthe | yeah, I dont really like the clock, dont need one. |
| 00:55.40 | KrisAbsinthe | Thats funny though |
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| 01:07.42 | cesarb | smlsfb: the clock should at least be translucent... if I have a beautiful swirly fire background, I shouldn't have an opaque clock completely destroying it! |
| 01:08.24 | cesarb | smlsfb: OTOH, I *want* the clock, it's one of the most important uses for a cellphone! (the other two being an alarm clock and calling people) |
| 01:10.20 | smlsfb | cesarb, that sounds like a fair use :) |
| 01:11.00 | smlsfb | i keep my car on my phone background ... it's almost expected to be able to customize something like a phone background |
| 01:11.30 | smlsfb | btw, you're working on gta02 cpufreq? did they sample you one? :) |
| 01:11.49 | cesarb | smlsfb: ...didn't you mean your phone in your car background? ;-) |
| 01:12.20 | cesarb | smlsfb: nah, I'm just adapting the cpufreq code to gta02 to give it wider exposure, I'm working on cpufreq to make my gta01 battery last longer ;-) |
| 01:12.23 | smlsfb | cesarb, well, a picture of it :) |
| 01:12.55 | smlsfb | ah, very cool. any big breakthroughs in the last week? |
| 01:14.52 | cesarb | smlsfb: well, last week I IIRC made it able to dynamically change the dividers too instead of using a fixed one for each frequency (using an idea from SpeedEvil), made the framebuffer flicker less annoyingly, and refactored the code so it can be used for all the 2410-class SoCs, not only the 2410A (but it only has code for the 2410A and the 2442 so far) |
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| 01:15.08 | KrisAbsinthe | cesarb: Is it possable to remove/ move the clock |
| 01:16.20 | cesarb | KrisAbsinthe: dunno, didn't even look at userspace that closely. either it's a separate process (in which case just kill it) or it's part of the window manager (in which case you'd have to either fudge with the code or find a hidden config switch) |
| 01:16.32 | smlsfb | cesarb, impressive :) looks like things are coming along well |
| 01:16.34 | cesarb | KrisAbsinthe: I'd guess it's hardcoded, so the way would be to edit the code |
| 01:17.14 | KrisAbsinthe | probably in openmoko-today |
| 01:17.32 | KrisAbsinthe | to bad my mokomakefile screwed up |
| 01:17.59 | cesarb | smlsfb: I intend as my next step to make the USB gadget code aware of the Vbus status (i.e. whether it's connected to a cable or not) and disable/enable the usb device core as needed. After that, I can make it pin the frequency to the maximum every time it's connected (it doesn't seem to like switching frequencies while talking to the host) |
| 01:19.21 | smlsfb | that seems like a good idea, especially when it's powered over usb. no need to save power then :) |
| 01:19.40 | cesarb | smlsfb: this will involve a very ugly hack (adding a "fake" gpio pin), since the generic gpio code isn't yet used by the s3c24xx |
| 01:19.48 | smlsfb | (i'm taking computer architecture this semester, so i'm watching all this with a lot of interest) |
| 01:20.52 | cesarb | smlsfb: or rewriting a large amount of code to make s3c24xx use the generic gpio code, _after_ backporting it from 2.6.25 (it isn't on 2.6.24!)... yeah, right |
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| 01:21.13 | cesarb | smlsfb: heh, I'm long out of university |
| 01:21.29 | smlsfb | heh, seems like you're always backporting something from the most recent kernel :) |
| 01:21.36 | cesarb | smlsfb: (for some values of long at least, it's not been that long... but seems like it was) |
| 01:21.53 | smlsfb | i should be long out of university :), but i'm taking my time |
| 01:23.40 | KrisAbsinthe | smsfb: me and you both, working on one of 3 degrees |
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| 01:24.37 | smlsfb | KrisAbsinthe, i've been enrolled in at least 3 vastly different majors :) |
| 01:24.59 | smlsfb | chemistry, enviromental studies, computer science |
| 01:25.20 | smlsfb | i've used up all my GE credits though ... any extra classes, i take on my own time (don't count toward degree) |
| 01:26.05 | KrisAbsinthe | LoL, Im taking Network Security now. then I want software engineering and my favorite Physics |
| 01:27.03 | smlsfb | oh, network security is fun :) |
| 01:27.37 | smlsfb | although i'm tempted to try real, academic computer science |
| 01:27.41 | smlsfb | research and what not |
| 01:27.59 | raster | fun like the "stab yourself in the butt with a blunt spoon" dategory of fun :) |
| 01:28.09 | KrisAbsinthe | Yup, easy realy, most the poor bastards in my classes dont realize by the time the class is over the security world has changed so much that it was essentially making the class useless |
| 01:28.24 | KrisAbsinthe | LOL |
| 01:29.04 | smlsfb | i think the social engineering aspect of security needs more attention though ... |
| 01:29.25 | smlsfb | much easier to circumvent everything and coax someone into giving you what you want :P |
| 01:30.22 | raster | yes |
| 01:30.29 | raster | you should do more practicals |
| 01:30.29 | KrisAbsinthe | I agree. Me and Lurid are doing a SE talk at HOPE |
| 01:30.45 | raster | like draggingy your victims to the local bar and feeding them (and yourself) alcohol until they give up the info you need |
| 01:30.55 | raster | i.e. - he with the better liver wins |
| 01:31.03 | smlsfb | :D |
| 01:31.46 | cesarb | raster: why go to all the trouble? just randomly drop a few USB sticks around the parking spots |
| 01:31.47 | KrisAbsinthe | Ok i found the Clock code in openmoko-today2 there are some transparency talks, have to read the headers yet, see if i can do this |
| 01:31.51 | cesarb | raster: or use chocolate |
| 01:32.19 | smlsfb | http://scarygoround.com/?date=20080207 |
| 01:32.55 | smlsfb | cesarb, and whack them in the head when they reach down to pick them up? :D |
| 01:34.26 | KrisAbsinthe | to hell with it. I just /* the create |
| 01:35.00 | cesarb | smlsfb: that was a reference to a serious pen testing incident |
| 01:35.25 | smlsfb | pen testing? |
| 01:35.30 | cesarb | smlsfb: where the trick used was to leave several trojanized usb pen drives where the employees would find them |
| 01:35.34 | cesarb | smlsfb: penetration testing |
| 01:35.47 | smlsfb | ahhhhh |
| 01:35.51 | smlsfb | very tricky |
| 01:35.58 | cesarb | smlsfb: I think they were of that special variety which fools windows into autorunning them |
| 01:36.22 | smlsfb | linux, ftw! |
| 01:36.38 | KrisAbsinthe | I like the RFID Hijacking tools, now you can buy a RFID reader/writer at Radio shack for $50 |
| 01:36.40 | smlsfb | i used to try opening viruses in wine to see what they did |
| 01:37.01 | cesarb | smlsfb: there was also an study showing that a surprisingly high (something like 20%) amount of people would tell their passwords in exchange for chocolate |
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| 01:37.38 | smlsfb | i imagine they were the same people with 'password' or 'secret' as their password, i imagine |
| 01:38.20 | cesarb | smlsfb: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/08/2151222 (the chocolate one is mentioned in the comments) |
| 01:44.22 | ewon | agreed |
| 01:44.23 | smlsfb | plus it uses the hated java :( |
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| 01:44.56 | smlsfb | after 300 comments, i start getting 'unresponsive scripts messages' |
| 01:47.58 | cesarb | smlsfb: java != javascript |
| 01:48.30 | smlsfb | i thought slashdot was running an applet though ... |
| 01:48.46 | cesarb | smlsfb: and you should be using noscript, like I do (there's a link at the top of the comments to change to &no_d2=1 mode) |
| 01:49.56 | smlsfb | wow!!! |
| 01:50.10 | smlsfb | i've looked all over for that link, thank you! |
| 01:52.06 | smlsfb | cesarb, do you need to be logged in? i still don't see a link for that ... |
| 01:53.41 | cesarb | smlsfb: I see it without being logged in, it probably is within <noscript>...</noscript> (as I said, use the noscript firefox extension...) |
| 01:53.42 | smlsfb | ah, nevermind |
| 01:53.51 | cesarb | smlsfb: or you can add &no_d2=1 to the URL |
| 01:53.54 | smlsfb | looked through the souce, doesn't display the option unelss you have noscript |
| 01:54.09 | smlsfb | thanks though |
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| 02:01.36 | KrisAbsinthe | how do i make openmoko-toda2 with mokomakefile? |
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| 02:05.33 | cesarb | KrisAbsinthe: make build-package-openmoko-today2 |
| 02:06.28 | cesarb | smlsfb: I seriously don't know how people can stand the web without noscript+adblockplus+easylist |
| 02:07.19 | cesarb | smlsfb: not to mention that noscript stops a full half of all firefox bugs from being exploitable (probably way more than half) |
| 02:07.22 | smlsfb | i just use the standard built in pop up blocking ... plus most javascript actions (resize, change, pop up_ disabled |
| 02:07.35 | smlsfb | whats easylist do? |
| 02:07.44 | cesarb | (in fact, it's the security aspect that makes me like noscript the most) |
| 02:08.02 | cesarb | smlsfb: easylist is a set of three lists of things for adblock plus to block |
| 02:08.32 | cesarb | smlsfb: the first one is ad blocking, the second one cleans the voids left on the page structure by the first one, the third one blocks tracking stuff |
| 02:08.44 | smlsfb | wow, impressive |
| 02:09.14 | cesarb | smlsfb: but in practice it doesn't have much effect, since noscript already blocks almost everything it would block! |
| 02:09.42 | cesarb | (for some reason disabling javascript clobbers a huge amount of ads) |
| 02:10.06 | smlsfb | that's fair; javascript's biggest use seems to have been for annoying, intrusive ads |
| 02:13.23 | cesarb | smlsfb: I mostly tell noscript to leave alone sites I use a lot and which benefit from javascript. Like wikipedia, for instance. Sites I use less often or which don't need javascript (hello, slashdot!) I leave it disabled, or enable temporarily when needed. |
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| 02:19.41 | quicksand | KrisAbsinthe: For a small clock, have you tried: dbus-launch gconftool-2 --type bool --set /desktop/poky/interface/small_clock true |
| 02:19.41 | quicksand | (may not take effect until you restart) |
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| 02:21.48 | quicksand | It makes the clock insanely small -- it fits on the datebar on the today screen. The hands aren't exactly visible. |
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| 05:08.14 | niklauz | freerunner in march 4 reals? |
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| 05:21.59 | KrisAbsinthe | quicksand: Thank you it worked |
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| 05:27.51 | wurp2 | niklauz: Nobody knows |
| 05:28.08 | wurp2 | But they are still talking about hardware changes on the kernel mailing list :-( |
| 05:28.26 | niklauz | for the freerunner release? |
| 05:28.37 | niklauz | would that be considered gta03? |
| 05:29.28 | wurp2 | nah, FreeRunner is just the new name of gta02 |
| 05:29.37 | niklauz | i understand these things take time, but this is the next phone i buy even if it takes years |
| 05:29.42 | wurp2 | Yes, the changes are for the FR release, I'm pretty sure |
| 05:29.47 | wurp2 | Yeah, I gave in and bought an 01 |
| 05:29.56 | wurp2 | I will probably buy an 02 when it comes out |
| 05:30.11 | wurp2 | although I may wait until the software is in a better state to buy the 02 |
| 05:30.35 | niklauz | heheh, the gta01 isn't really intended for daily use though is it? |
| 05:30.46 | wurp2 | no |
| 05:30.52 | wurp2 | but neither will the 02 hardware be when it first comes out |
| 05:30.57 | niklauz | i thought it was purely dev-oreiented |
| 05:31.05 | wurp2 | rather, the hw will be ready, but the sw won't be in that state |
| 05:31.07 | wurp2 | it is |
| 05:31.12 | wurp2 | I use it for my regular phone |
| 05:31.18 | wurp2 | but then I'm at a computer all day |
| 05:31.30 | wurp2 | battery life right now is about 5 hours max w/o a recharge |
| 05:31.30 | KrisAbsinthe | I wish i could pay OM to fix my GSM |
| 05:31.35 | niklauz | oic, i think i would still get it and anyway and just update the s/w when avail |
| 05:32.04 | wurp2 | KrisAbsinthe: the bad standby issue? |
| 05:32.17 | wurp2 | (i.e. too much power used by standby) |
| 05:32.23 | niklauz | u use gta01 as yr regular phone? |
| 05:32.23 | KrisAbsinthe | wurp2: No, i live in a GSM 850 area |
| 05:32.26 | wurp2 | niklauz: Yeah, if I didn't have an 01, I would too |
| 05:32.33 | wurp2 | KrisAbsinthe: ah, ouch! |
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| 05:32.46 | wurp2 | niklauz: Yes, I use the 01 as my regular phone |
| 05:32.55 | wurp2 | but it was frustrating today |
| 05:33.07 | wurp2 | My son got injured and went to the emergency room |
| 05:33.16 | wurp2 | and the dialer locked up :-( |
| 05:33.17 | KrisAbsinthe | I helped discover this problem, I would have waited for the 02, but atleast im getting good practice with the platform |
| 05:33.29 | niklauz | wurp2: thats no good |
| 05:33.30 | wurp2 | then reboot didn't help, at which point I remembered that reboot doesn't reboot the gsm |
| 05:33.42 | wurp2 | So I yanked the battery for a minute, rebooted, and all was well |
| 05:34.05 | wurp2 | KrisAbsinthe: Yeah, early on it was supposedly quad-band |
| 05:34.06 | wurp2 | :-( |
| 05:34.12 | niklauz | any idea what the projected batt life for the gta02 is? |
| 05:34.21 | KrisAbsinthe | wurp2: I know lol. |
| 05:34.23 | wurp2 | no |
| 05:34.27 | niklauz | the tri-band decision is a mystery to me |
| 05:34.40 | wurp2 | It was a hw engineering error |
| 05:34.50 | queueRAM | is it a decision or a just how it happened? |
| 05:34.51 | wurp2 | that turned out to be time-expensive to fix |
| 05:35.00 | wurp2 | First it was just an error |
| 05:35.14 | niklauz | in that case it should be fixed on the next iteration, no? |
| 05:35.14 | wurp2 | then when they looked into how long to fix it, they decided to go tri-band |
| 05:35.23 | wurp2 | at least there will be two tri-band options |
| 05:35.32 | wurp2 | niklauz: You mean the next after 02? |
| 05:35.40 | wurp2 | I don't think there are any firm plans for that at all |
| 05:35.46 | wurp2 | The focus is all on 02 now |
| 05:35.50 | niklauz | i guess so, though i wish it was fixed for gta02 |
| 05:35.53 | KrisAbsinthe | wurp2: On the community list there was some hope for my issue, but who knows |
| 05:36.24 | niklauz | wurp2: can you explain what happened? |
| 05:36.33 | wurp2 | KrisAbsinthe: Cool! I know they can fix 'em... I would love to see them offer an option for the ppl in 850 areas who thought they were buying hw that would eventually work |
| 05:36.38 | queueRAM | KrisAbsinthe: sorry, i joined in late, what was your issue? |
| 05:36.55 | wurp2 | niklauz: nope, I'm just a guy who owns an 01 and spends too much time in this room |
| 05:36.57 | KrisAbsinthe | queueRAM:GSM 850 |
| 05:37.07 | queueRAM | ah, ok, the matter at hand |
| 05:37.09 | wurp2 | KrisAbsinthe: or lack thereof :-) |
| 05:37.22 | KrisAbsinthe | wurp2: I got the test phone from michael shiloh and i t was cool to call from home |
| 05:37.39 | wurp2 | KrisAbsinthe: Cool! I didn't know you were on the test rotation |
| 05:37.52 | wurp2 | You shoulda just packed up your old neo to send to the next tester |
| 05:37.56 | KrisAbsinthe | wurp2: proud to say i got it first heheh |
| 05:38.19 | KrisAbsinthe | wurp2: lol I fighured I would get michael in trouble if I did that |
| 05:38.35 | wurp2 | he's a nice guy |
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| 05:38.43 | KrisAbsinthe | he has been great |
| 05:39.04 | wurp2 | he fixed the gsm firmware in mine to work w/ my AT&T SIM |
| 05:39.34 | KrisAbsinthe | wurp2: ill have to send mine eventually. probably after i get the 02 |
| 05:40.13 | wurp2 | Does anyone know why there isn't a shutdown init.d script to kill the gsm on shutdown? |
| 05:40.22 | niklauz | wurp2: does you know what carrier's are supported in teh states? |
| 05:40.33 | wurp2 | niklauz: Any GSM carrier |
| 05:40.46 | wurp2 | niklauz: well, technically really only 1900 carriers right now |
| 05:40.52 | KrisAbsinthe | AT&T and T-mobile are the two i know of |
| 05:40.53 | wurp2 | but the 02 will support 850 too |
| 05:41.07 | wurp2 | You can look at the Carriers page on the wiki |
| 05:41.11 | queueRAM | I sent an email to Michael with regard to fixing my GSM firmware, but haven't heard a response yet. Busy guy? |
| 05:41.20 | niklauz | hmm okay, i know thats the way it's supposed to be but i always worry since carriers can get away with being so heavy handed |
| 05:41.24 | wurp2 | There are some other little carriers, but I can't imagine you would want to go with them |
| 05:41.35 | wurp2 | There is some conference coming up |
| 05:42.00 | wurp2 | niklauz: I haven't heard of anyone not being able to connect on a 1900 mhz gsm carrier |
| 05:42.05 | KrisAbsinthe | Well its 1:00 AM here so i better sleep. |
| 05:42.18 | wurp2 | g'night |
| 05:42.23 | KrisAbsinthe | later |
| 05:42.31 | niklauz | night |
| 05:42.43 | cesarb | wurp2: there isn't a shutdown script because it's the wrong way to do it |
| 05:42.58 | cesarb | wurp2: so, instead of doing something which works but is wrong, nothing is done |
| 05:43.04 | cesarb | wurp2: waiting for the Correct Fix |
| 05:43.13 | cesarb | wurp2: ;-) |
| 05:43.14 | wurp2 | cesarb: Sure, but it's better than plugging your neo into a slow charge cord and finding it dead 8 hours later |
| 05:43.32 | wurp2 | I much prefer a temporary hack that is an obvious improvement |
| 05:43.39 | wurp2 | easy enough to delete the script in the next release |
| 05:43.45 | cesarb | wurp2: the neo should graphically complain if it's plugged into usb but it cannot go into fast_cccv |
| 05:43.53 | wurp2 | I agre |
| 05:44.01 | wurp2 | Which is why I wrote a program that does that |
| 05:44.05 | cesarb | wurp2: as in "put a HUEG RED WARNING on the screen" (and undim it of course) |
| 05:44.08 | cesarb | wurp2: :D |
| 05:44.28 | wurp2 | I need to figure out how to make nice colored buttons in gtk |
| 05:44.39 | wurp2 | Mine just fills the screen with two buttons "slow charge" and "fast charge" |
| 05:44.59 | wurp2 | (after lighting it up) |
| 05:45.07 | wurp2 | I also need to find out how to turn off the scren lock :-( |
| 05:45.23 | wurp2 | When I ask ppl just tell me "that'll be in dbus eventually" |
| 05:45.43 | cesarb | wurp2: lol |
| 05:45.50 | cesarb | wurp2: that's because dbus is the Right Way to do it |
| 05:45.54 | wurp2 | yeah |
| 05:45.58 | cesarb | wurp2: so, instead of doing it the wrong way,... |
| 05:46.04 | wurp2 | but my script is already an obvious kludge |
| 05:46.25 | wurp2 | I doubt the final solution will be a python program that reads the charge proc file every minute |
| 05:46.28 | wurp2 | :-) |
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| 05:47.30 | cesarb | wurp2: btw, you are crazy using the neo like a real phone already ;-) |
| 05:47.37 | wurp2 | yeah, I am |
| 05:47.48 | cesarb | wurp2: it's supposed to be not able to be used as a phone in the current software state |
| 05:47.49 | wurp2 | I can't stand to carry around two |
| 05:47.53 | niklauz | i concur, and i'm jealous |
| 05:48.02 | wurp2 | It rarely fails me |
| 05:48.08 | wurp2 | only maybe 20% of the time ;-) |
| 05:48.33 | cesarb | wurp2: well, the only time so far I've taken it outside home was to get somewhere with somewhat full sky visilibity to test gllin |
| 05:48.41 | wurp2 | wow |
| 05:48.46 | wurp2 | I take it to work w/ me every day |
| 05:48.47 | queueRAM | i'm looking at doing just that shortly, once i get the GSM interface working with my SIM card |
| 05:48.52 | wurp2 | and listen to music all day on it |
| 05:48.56 | cesarb | wurp2: came back home, tested in the windows (worked in both once it got a fix outside), and then it DIED |
| 05:49.05 | cesarb | wurp2: before I could dump the data to check in google maps :P |
| 05:49.07 | wurp2 | and I use navit to keep my ass from getting lost all the time |
| 05:49.16 | wurp2 | cesarb: Ack! |
| 05:49.20 | wurp2 | How long ago was that? |
| 05:49.29 | cesarb | wurp2: I had to impatientely (sp?) wait for about half an hour to get it enough charge to read the log file |
| 05:49.40 | wurp2 | ah, charge death |
| 05:49.56 | cesarb | wurp2: some days after gllin got out... and just before I got fed up and started hacking at cpufreq :D |
| 05:50.04 | wurp2 | 5 hours doing nothing or 1.5 hours w/ screen on :-( |
| 05:50.09 | wurp2 | ah |
| 05:50.10 | wurp2 | early |
| 05:50.15 | wurp2 | It's much more stable now |
| 05:50.42 | cesarb | wurp2: well, I dislike the screen dimming (aka "lock me up so you'll have to take the battery off"), so I didn't use it |
| 05:50.44 | wurp2 | Although I think the 27th release was better than the ones that have come since, except for SMS gui |
| 05:50.49 | cesarb | wurp2: it was all that time on full power |
| 05:50.53 | wurp2 | yeah |
| 05:51.09 | cesarb | wurp2: it only turned off the backlight on inactivity |
| 05:51.18 | wurp2 | cesarb: But if you do "dim only, don't lock" it recovers |
| 05:51.23 | wurp2 | after the screen light |
| 05:51.40 | wurp2 | um, ack |
| 05:51.45 | cesarb | wurp2: and to make things worse, it wasn't on a full charge, since I had wasted the previous night trying to get any lock at all on all the windows :D |
| 05:51.53 | wurp2 | I dunno even what I was trying to say with "after the screen light" |
| 05:52.01 | wurp2 | I meant after you unlock the screen |
| 05:52.14 | wurp2 | Yeah, I've killed the battery twice |
| 05:52.32 | cesarb | wurp2: as you said, it was back when it was less stable... it perhaps doesn't lock up that easily anymore |
| 05:52.45 | wurp2 | I use mine all day |
| 05:52.50 | wurp2 | and I do have little issues |
| 05:52.54 | wurp2 | but mostly it works |
| 05:53.02 | wurp2 | how goes cpufreq? |
| 05:53.33 | cesarb | wurp2: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/User:CesarB/cpufreq |
| 05:53.36 | wurp2 | queueRAM: You don't have to have the gsm working to use gllin/gpsd/navit |
| 05:54.22 | cesarb | wurp2: so far, I've coded for gta02 too (utterly untested), and what I already coded (freq switching/nand/serial/framebuffer/timer) was stable last I tested (some days ago... I've coded more since then) |
| 05:54.25 | queueRAM | yeah, gllin works all right. I just want to use it as a phone at some point |
| 05:54.28 | queueRAM | my other phone died |
| 05:54.59 | wurp2 | cesarb: looks almost usable |
| 05:55.05 | wurp2 | the big lack being SD :-( |
| 05:55.11 | wurp2 | queueRAM: Yeah, I know that feeling |
| 05:55.19 | cesarb | wurp2: yeah, unless you want to use the sd... most other devices lacking notifiers don't care about the slower speed |
| 05:55.21 | wurp2 | my SIM was unsupported as well |
| 05:55.54 | cesarb | wurp2: the ring and vibrator probably would misbehave too |
| 05:56.18 | wurp2 | as long as it makes some garbled sound or motion that tells me a call is incoming |
| 05:56.18 | cesarb | wurp2: other than that, I don't expect it to be too problematic |
| 05:56.27 | cesarb | wurp2: heh |
| 05:57.00 | wurp2 | well, and doesn't totally lock up when a call is incoming ;-) |
| 05:57.05 | cesarb | wurp2: it's been a LONG time since I last heard any sound coming from the neo, and with the mismatched kernel/modules I have I cannot even test that, but in theory sound from the CPU shouldn't work (sound from the GSM or BT should work) |
| 05:57.44 | wurp2 | Hmm, does somebody believe they need an 02? |
| 05:57.45 | cesarb | wurp2: the vibrator worries me more, it would probably keep the pin active for longer, and I don't know what effect that would have to the motor |
| 05:57.46 | wurp2 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Prototypes |
| 05:58.38 | wurp2 | You are the man |
| 05:58.47 | wurp2 | I'm not doing anything to really help OM along |
| 05:59.03 | wurp2 | Just futzing with little stuff that makes my phone more usable for me |
| 05:59.15 | cesarb | wurp2: you are doing bleeding-edge testing... :P (using it as a phone right now _is_ crazy, after all) |
| 05:59.17 | wurp2 | Some of it might be of interest to others, but only until something better comes along |
| 05:59.58 | wurp2 | Well, I can tell you there is either some memory corruption bug in the media player |
| 06:00.16 | wurp2 | or (more likely, I think) a timing bug in the code that manages the app selector drop down |
| 06:00.27 | wurp2 | If I could reproduce it I would submit a bug |
| 06:00.46 | wurp2 | but just randomly I get the upper left bar going black, and the mouse cursor appears |
| 06:01.15 | wurp2 | But I have yet to submit a bug, so I'm not even doing much good as a tester :-) |
| 06:01.27 | queueRAM | heh |
| 06:01.48 | wurp2 | (I say randomly; I think it happens when I click the top left again before the drop-down has painted) |
| 06:02.41 | wurp2 | Does anyone run the code under Purify or a workalike on qemu? |
| 06:04.23 | cesarb | wurp2: you mean valgrind? I think nobody's tried so far |
| 06:04.44 | cesarb | wurp2: and you don't even need qemu for that, you can do it native (I don't think there's valgrind for arm yet) |
| 06:06.08 | wurp2 | I guess valgrind... ages ago when I did C in Unix the best tool available was Rational's Purify |
| 06:06.30 | wurp2 | And it sounds as if Purify does some stuff valgrind doesn't... e.g. overruns on static arrays |
| 06:06.32 | queueRAM | valgrind is pretty nice |
| 06:06.59 | wurp2 | The lack of a valgrind for ARM seems as if it would hinder doing it native... |
| 06:07.07 | queueRAM | why couldn't valgrind be compiled for ARM? |
| 06:07.30 | wurp2 | I figured memory requirements would preclude doing thorough memory checking on the neo |
| 06:07.45 | wurp2 | I'm sure it could, if someone wanted to port it |
| 06:08.01 | wurp2 | If it's doing very thorough memory checking I would think porting would take some time |
| 06:08.05 | cesarb | wurp2: I meant native in the host, not in the device |
| 06:08.14 | cesarb | wurp2: as in, compile the code for x86 and test on it |
| 06:08.19 | wurp2 | You mean, compile the OM code for ... |
| 06:08.20 | wurp2 | yeah, that |
| 06:08.36 | wurp2 | makes sense |
| 06:08.47 | cesarb | queueRAM: valgrind does dynamic translation of the code... it needs to know in detail the machine instructions |
| 06:09.15 | cesarb | queueRAM: I don't know if it has changed, but it also only ran on linux, for similar reasons |
| 06:09.51 | queueRAM | yeah, i'm reading that right now |
| 06:09.54 | wurp2 | I just don't trust C code that hasn't been through something like that |
| 06:10.04 | queueRAM | i didn't realize the architecture dependence |
| 06:10.11 | wurp2 | Does the neo architecture support protected memory? |
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| 06:10.35 | cesarb | wurp2: yes, it has a MMU |
| 06:11.00 | wurp2 | cool |
| 06:11.05 | wurp2 | that helps, at least |
| 06:11.18 | wurp2 | oh, duh, I've seen segfaults on it |
| 06:12.25 | wurp2 | I should go to bed |
| 06:12.35 | wurp2 | Have fun, all |
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| 06:25.41 | queueRAM | does anyone use the toolchain outside of /usr/local ? |
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| 11:56.02 | Stephmw | that'll do too |
| 11:56.22 | playya_ | worng paste? |
| 11:56.29 | affen | wrong name also |
| 11:56.40 | affen | little too random |
| 11:58.53 | playya_ | no |
| 11:58.57 | playya_ | he's 1337 |
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| 12:00.12 | affen | * 1337 :Erroneous Nickname |
| 12:00.14 | affen | bah :P |
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| 12:06.50 | Connorj50v24uw8g | have a HELLO ANYBODY CAN HERE ME?! virtual systems are while you virtual have waned, each now shutting the reason believing The |
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| 12:07.05 | affen | full host ignore will keep that nonsense away :P |
| 12:07.13 | SpeedEvil | Or that. |
| 12:07.21 | affen | better :) |
| 12:08.31 | *** mode/#openmoko [+b *!*@210.187.71.8] by mickeyl |
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| 12:20.43 | Hollyx49u7xh0f1 | even VR virtual our needed was equipment, virtual a about toward of a our toward pop from it'd |
| 12:20.47 | Hollyx49u7xh0f1 | and two move very come, technology convincing may stereoscopic where up term's its is stereoscopic The The |
| 12:20.51 | Hollyx49u7xh0f1 | embracing There to simpler technology be two convincing been out fancy alternate in they heard reality. use fancy |
| 12:20.55 | Hollyx49u7xh0f1 | they why not. about our virtual aversion vision, was in of gyroscope concept even a senses |
| 12:20.59 | Hollyx49u7xh0f1 | they 3D but do are long more reality important the television. stimulation. see Of limited while more |
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| 12:30.30 | Stephmw | mickeyl: ... |
| 12:30.46 | balrog-kun | ..the expected way, that is |
| 12:30.56 | XorA|gone | balrog-kun: today screen rightmost tab |
| 12:31.00 | Stephmw | mickeyl: any idea why they're attacking this channel? |
| 12:31.20 | balrog-kun | XorA|gone: *tries* |
| 12:31.36 | balrog-kun | XorA|gone: yay, thanks |
| 12:32.24 | mickeyl | it's not just this channel |
| 12:32.32 | mickeyl | and no, no idea |
| 12:32.42 | raynet | kinda odd way to "attack" |
| 12:32.44 | mickeyl | sounds like some unguarded bots |
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| 13:12.54 | osds | hi ah so injection on the openmoko freerunner so far it is a on ? |
| 13:12.56 | osds | no* |
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| 13:15.42 | ajbrun | injection? |
| 13:15.52 | osds | yeah |
| 13:15.59 | ajbrun | what's that? |
| 13:16.09 | osds | - ok lets start with monitor mode |
| 13:16.22 | osds | mmm wonders if kismet needs monitor - don't think so |
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| 13:21.24 | osds | - i will be bitterly disappointed if you don't have monitor mode - no phonewalking .... - no adding to wigle ... |
| 13:22.40 | osds | -perfect device .... gps, wifi...... !monitor mode please :) --> i know tis not up to openmoko - tis atheros but please press for it - injection is ok but can be done without (i ask for it because you can do useful things with it other than evil stuff) |
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| 13:23.21 | ajbrun | what's monitor mode? |
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| 13:26.44 | PBeck | hi |
| 13:26.47 | balrog-kun | ajbrun: capturing all wifi packets in the air afaik |
| 13:27.10 | ajbrun | why's that necessary? |
| 13:27.24 | balrog-kun | and not only those addressed to the device that's listening, it's normally filtered by the firmware |
| 13:27.29 | balrog-kun | ajbrun: it's not necessary |
| 13:27.39 | ajbrun | sounds a bit dodgey to me... |
| 13:28.01 | balrog-kun | yeah, tcpdump kind of functionality, probably few people would use it |
| 13:32.01 | vininim | 'phonewalking'? |
| 13:33.00 | Vegar | ajbrun: for debugging |
| 13:33.54 | balrog-kun | you can use a laptop if you definitely need to debug.. |
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| 13:35.57 | cesarb | balrog-kun: try walking with a laptop to find the spots with weak reception ;-) |
| 13:36.11 | cesarb | <- playing devil advocate for a moment |
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| 13:37.39 | cesarb | and there's the perfectly legitimate activity of pen testing... |
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| 13:49.12 | br3n | osds: monitor mode not in Atheros firmware right now http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.openmoko.kernel/865 |
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| 13:51.11 | mjr | Mmh. AP mode would be nice in the way of making the GPRS connection (or even a computer's network connection via usbnet) available to wlan clients |
| 13:51.23 | mjr | ad hoc, sure, but it's a bit more of a bother |
| 13:51.35 | mjr | still, 'course not that critidcal |
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| 14:14.19 | zedstar | anyone thought or tried to turn their Neo into a basic SMS gateway? |
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| 14:18.58 | mjr | Not more so than with any other phone plus a computer... Though gta02 could operate as one without a host computer thanks to the wlan |
| 14:19.08 | mjr | (well, okay, gta01 can too if you have a bt ap ;) |
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| 14:36.05 | mjr | (well, okay, also with external power and usb ethernet) |
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| 14:46.03 | zedstar | well u need a phone that you can develop on and the neo fits that bill nicely |
| 14:47.02 | mjr | You don't really, for that. You only need a computer you can develop on and a phone that talks AT to it. |
| 14:47.37 | mjr | (or, you could buy gateway service from an operator...) |
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| 14:50.49 | zedstar | ah yeh....good point....i was thinking of a server process doing the AT on the phone....over engineering! |
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| 15:21.58 | SpeedEvil | anyone happen to have played with squashfs? |
| 15:22.19 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/image - won't unsquash the unsquash tool segfaults. (router image) |
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| 15:36.26 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03werner * r4031 10/trunk/src/target/u-boot/patches/ (nand-dynamic_partitions.patch uboot-dfu.patch): (log message trimmed) |
| 15:36.26 | CIA-16 | openmoko: If we started without "mtdparts" set, DFU did not recognize partition names |
| 15:36.26 | CIA-16 | openmoko: even after a subsequent "dynpart". This patch makes "dynpart" update DFU's |
| 15:36.26 | CIA-16 | openmoko: partition name table. |
| 15:36.26 | CIA-16 | openmoko: uboot-dfu.patch: |
| 15:36.30 | CIA-16 | openmoko: - drivers/usb/usbdfu.c (dfu_update_strings): new function to update the USB |
| 15:36.32 | CIA-16 | openmoko: string table after "dynpart" |
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| 16:29.51 | KrisAbsinthe | anyone remember how setup the repo for google maps on tangoGPS |
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| 17:20.31 | ahven | is http://lists.linuxtogo.org/pipermail/openembedded-devel/2007-September/003035.html needed nowdays? |
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| 17:21.06 | ahven | building instructions for 2007.2 seem a little outdated for me |
| 17:22.18 | wurp2|away | Anyone know offhand the place to find the latest qtopia image? |
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| 17:23.10 | ahven | wurp2|away: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Qtopia_on_Neo_1973 ? |
| 17:24.06 | KrisAbsinthe | wurp2: The latest Image freezes untill you get a GSM connection. |
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| 17:25.52 | wurp2|away | KrisAbsinthe: Ah, maybe the latest good image, then |
| 17:25.57 | wurp2|away | ahven: That image is from November |
| 17:26.20 | wurp2|away | I'll go w/ the december image from ScaredyCat, then |
| 17:26.22 | wurp2|away | Thanks! |
| 17:26.36 | Ebbe | gamin: Any news about tangoGPS? |
| 17:26.41 | wurp2|away | KrisAbsinthe: Does that mean that image freezes permanently for you? |
| 17:26.57 | wurp2|away | What is the advantage of tango over navit? |
| 17:27.15 | Ebbe | wurp2|away: I think tango is faster |
| 17:27.27 | Ebbe | wurp2|away: And is made specifically for the Neo |
| 17:27.31 | KrisAbsinthe | wurp2: yup |
| 17:27.42 | KrisAbsinthe | I like tango better |
| 17:27.51 | gamin | Ebbe: am just working on it |
| 17:27.57 | KrisAbsinthe | more screen area dedicated to the map |
| 17:28.18 | wurp2|away | Hmm, navit has only the menu bar and that worthless (on the neo) status bar at the bottom |
| 17:28.19 | mjr | is there an ipkg of tangogps somewhere for an easy testing install? |
| 17:28.24 | wurp2|away | worthless because the info is all dummy |
| 17:28.31 | KrisAbsinthe | scap.linuxtogo.org there is my latest weirdness to my neo |
| 17:28.35 | Ebbe | gamin: Nice :) |
| 17:28.48 | Ebbe | mjr: http://tangogps.org |
| 17:29.15 | mjr | Ebbe, too easy :] |
| 17:29.17 | KrisAbsinthe | gamin as done a great job on this app. Made me feel like i got somthing for my money |
| 17:29.34 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe: :-) |
| 17:29.40 | wurp2|away | KrisAbsinthe: awesome! Can you give a link to the image? |
| 17:29.50 | KrisAbsinthe | sure just a sec |
| 17:30.11 | KrisAbsinthe | http://scap.linuxtogo.org/files/636cae0f2f59e567fdf84ca9f295847a.png |
| 17:30.13 | Ebbe | KrisAbsinthe: Cool picture. How have you made the clock small? |
| 17:30.58 | KrisAbsinthe | dbus-launch gconftool-2 --type bool --set /desktop/poky/interface/small_clock true |
| 17:31.06 | wurp2|away | Thanks! |
| 17:31.09 | KrisAbsinthe | np |
| 17:31.55 | wurp2|away | Oh, I actually meant the bg image |
| 17:32.05 | wurp2|away | that you copied to the neo to make it have that home screen |
| 17:32.27 | KrisAbsinthe | I like it he he |
| 17:32.45 | wurp2|away | me too |
| 17:32.46 | KrisAbsinthe | sure just a second |
| 17:33.31 | wurp2|away | I like the default image, but bw is too artsy and not enough show-off-my-resolution for me |
| 17:33.32 | Vegar | that's one scary background |
| 17:35.02 | KrisAbsinthe | http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g35/philspace_2006/mckean_death_sm.jpg |
| 17:35.10 | wurp2|away | looks like a zombie dryad |
| 17:35.13 | KrisAbsinthe | there it is |
| 17:35.15 | wurp2|away | thanks again :-) |
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| 17:39.16 | KrisAbsinthe | going to experiment with the touch screen. make it control my desktop over BT |
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| 18:45.31 | queueRAM | does anyone use the toolchain outside of /usr/local ? |
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| 19:43.43 | _diego_ | hi, anybody knows where i can find explanation of libgsmd-tool's error codes? |
| 19:43.57 | hrw | _diego_: which ones? |
| 19:44.08 | hrw | CME Error: number ones? |
| 19:44.22 | _diego_ | yes |
| 19:44.28 | hrw | its GSM errors |
| 19:44.39 | hrw | easy to find with few moments and google |
| 19:44.59 | _diego_ | ok and this one, is also a cme error: |
| 19:45.07 | _diego_ | Power-On |
| 19:45.08 | _diego_ | Modem power-up failed: 10 |
| 19:46.01 | _diego_ | I've put a new sim in neo, and it failed to register himself to the network |
| 19:46.21 | _diego_ | I'm trying to understand why... |
| 19:46.29 | hrw | cant help now |
| 19:47.00 | _diego_ | thx anyway :) |
| 19:49.57 | balrog-kun | yeah, i think that's CME also |
| 19:51.22 | _diego_ | btw cme error 13 -> SIM failure |
| 19:52.51 | balrog-kun | 10 is SIM Not Inserted |
| 19:53.29 | balrog-kun | make sure there's a "click" when closing the card slot :) |
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| 20:03.17 | _diego_ | it looks like neo doesn't like the new Sim |
| 20:03.39 | _diego_ | but don't have problem with a 8 years old sim ... |
| 20:05.29 | abraxa_ | Maybe it's the 3G sim problem you ran into? |
| 20:05.56 | queueRAM | why does the om-conf run the configure script with --host=arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi ? |
| 20:06.41 | abraxa_ | queueRAM: What part of that surprises you? |
| 20:06.54 | queueRAM | my target is that, not my host |
| 20:07.14 | _diego_ | i don't know, i buy it today, and works fine on my gsm only cell |
| 20:07.41 | abraxa_ | queueRAM: Ah, right. Hmm, I don't know to be honest |
| 20:08.00 | abraxa_ | _diego_: http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=666 |
| 20:08.16 | queueRAM | perhaps i don't understand the complete definition of host in this context |
| 20:10.25 | queueRAM | for the curious: --build=BUILD configure for building on BUILD --host=HOST cross-compile to build programs to run on HOST |
| 20:10.48 | queueRAM | so the host is legit |
| 20:10.54 | queueRAM | it just threw me off |
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| 20:16.57 | queueRAM | what's ccache? |
| 20:17.25 | mwester | http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&hl=en&q=ccache&btnG=Google+Search |
| 20:18.21 | queueRAM | mwester: a better question would be why didn't i see it in the list of dependencies? |
| 20:18.45 | mwester | Because it's not a dependency. Personally, I despise it and don't use it. |
| 20:19.00 | queueRAM | well, i mean required packages |
| 20:19.09 | mwester | Because it's not required. |
| 20:19.51 | queueRAM | well, it is listed on the wiki page as required under toolchain usage. i just completely missed it |
| 20:20.12 | mwester | For some people, in some situations, the use of ccache will speed up builds. For me, it just runs my home partition out of disk space, overloads my network (my home dir is nfs-mounted on my build machine, and causes more trouble than I care to deal with! |
| 20:20.28 | queueRAM | gross |
| 20:21.42 | mwester | If you have loads of room in your home directory (or care to point ccache to some other place with loads of local disk), try it - it may speed up the builds for you. But it won't affect the final results (at least it shouldn't). |
| 20:30.16 | queueRAM | do you use the prebuilt toolchain? |
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| 20:40.52 | bedboi | hi there. |
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| 20:56.24 | SpeedEvil | Does it have a teleporter? |
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| 20:59.10 | ewon | yes. |
| 21:00.21 | mjr | TangoGPS does seem rather promising. In that it's not ridiculously slow. |
| 21:00.38 | mjr | 'course, needs the bitmaps, but I can live with that |
| 21:08.02 | _diego_ | mjr, i'm going to test navit |
| 21:09.36 | mjr | it was crappy when I tried, but it was the old 0.2 from the repo |
| 21:09.50 | mjr | (also not compiled properly for the neo, which helped :] ) |
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| 21:36.29 | Megapower_17 | hi |
| 21:41.15 | mwester | ERROR: '['/u/moko/openembedded/packages/gpsd/gpsd_2.34.bb']' RDEPENDS/RRECOMMENDS or otherwise requires the runtime entity 'python-ncurses' but it wasn't found in any PACKAGE or RPROVIDES variables |
| 21:42.00 | mwester | Can whomever was working with the python gpsd stuff take a look and see if maybe they forgot to commit a new .bb file? Thanks... |
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| 22:33.18 | mjr | had one that gprs multiplexing thingy and could actually have a data connection up without smashing gsmd and stuff, on-line-map loading could be workable though... |
| 22:36.23 | ahven | very strange |
| 22:38.20 | ahven | ah..was out of space :) |
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| 23:01.30 | thomasg | hm, I'm trying to use the toolchain, but at ./configure-time it tells me that my (the toolchain's) compiler isn't able to create executables. what could it be? |
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| 23:20.28 | cesarb | thomasg: perhaps it means the toolchain compiler cannot create executables which run in the host? |
| 23:21.31 | cesarb | thomasg: it's possible that you have to somehow tell configure where is both the native gcc and the cross-compiler gcc |
| 23:22.05 | thomasg | cedric, that's what I do with the configure: ./configure --host=arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi --prefix=/usr/local/openmoko/arm |
| 23:22.47 | thomasg | cedric, sry, meant cesarb |
| 23:24.07 | cesarb | thomasg: did you check the config.log it drops? |
| 23:28.18 | thomasg | cesarb, I did, but I didn't find anything useful - first. no I took a second look and have seen, that it's looking for ccache what I don't have. so it's solved now, thanks :) |
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| 23:43.36 | niklauz | is there anyone here who was using the gta01 as a day to day phone in the US, |
| 23:44.07 | niklauz | is there anyone here who is using the gta01 as a day to day device in the US ? (cleaned up) |
| 23:44.35 | niklauz | i'm just curious about the data plans available |
| 23:44.37 | smlsfb | wurp2 i think, but they seem to be away |
| 23:46.41 | niklauz | i see, ok thanks |
| 23:47.00 | smlsfb | and maybe krisabsinthe, but i don't see them either |
| 23:48.57 | mwester | niklauz: Sorta, but there's a bit of a problem in that they don't support the 850 MHz band in use in North America, so it's urban centers only coverage. |
| 23:49.10 | mwester | As shipped, t-mobile is your only real option. |
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| 23:49.51 | mwester | If you get the firmware updated, you still don't have 850MHz coverage, but you do have the ability to use Cingular/AT&T in urban areas as well then. |
| 23:52.20 | niklauz | mwester: i was just reading a little about that in the topic link, but i have to admit i don't quite follow what that means |
| 23:52.29 | niklauz | which bands are used in the US? |
| 23:52.44 | smlsfb | niklauz, it's currently a tri-band phone |
| 23:53.11 | smlsfb | but the gta02 will also be tri-band, but two versions |
| 23:53.17 | niklauz | ya i was dissapointed to hear about that, but it would affect people differently based on local service, no? |
| 23:53.19 | smlsfb | one with 850, and the other with 900 |
| 23:54.12 | smlsfb | i believe 850 is more prominant in US rural areas, than 900 |
| 23:55.28 | niklauz | so this is potentially a major hinderance to use and adoption w/i the US then? |
| 23:55.49 | smlsfb | no, becuase the gta02 will have an 850 version |
| 23:56.24 | mwester | GSM uses two bands, a high-freq one for small dense cells, and a lower one for larger coverage cells (with lower density). The neo supports 1900, 1800, and 900 -- that works in Europe, and covers the high-freq part of the US and Canadian systems. |
| 23:56.36 | niklauz | but if the US coverage is composed of 850 and 900 there isn't a version that has both those bands, isn't that what you were saying |
| 23:56.36 | niklauz | ? |
| 23:56.55 | mwester | So in North American, the neo will work in areas where you have dense cells -- urban areas, and long heavily-travelled expressways. |
| 23:56.58 | smlsfb | most of the low-freq part of the US is 850 |
| 23:57.13 | niklauz | huh |
| 23:57.22 | niklauz | i mean, i see |
| 23:57.28 | mwester | In suburban areas, coverage gets spotty. In rural areas, or even a mile on either side of an expressway, there's no coverage with the neo. |
| 23:57.54 | mwester | US coverage is not 900 -- it's 850. |
| 23:58.26 | mwester | 1800/850 is North America, and 1900/900 is Europe. |
| 23:58.28 | smlsfb | the gta01 does have a (partially) external antenna adapter though :) |
| 23:58.33 | niklauz | so the two bands are paired 850 and 1800, then 900 and 1900 based on the population/service density? |
| 23:58.40 | mwester | Yep. |
| 23:59.25 | niklauz | so the difference between the two versions is in what low-band freq's it supports? |
| 23:59.46 | mwester | The neo is only one version right now: european. |
