| 00:01.47 | *** join/#openmoko CVirus (n=GoD@82.201.174.232) |
| 00:06.49 | *** join/#openmoko dxtr (n=dxtr@plus.ds14.agh.edu.pl) |
| 00:08.44 | *** join/#openmoko zncbtrn (n=zencubot@modemcable064.45-130-66.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 00:10.27 | *** join/#openmoko st3v33 (n=mikee@dslb-088-065-205-043.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 00:11.42 | *** join/#openmoko mboldisc (n=mike@c-66-41-225-167.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 00:13.14 | *** part/#openmoko zenek (n=dxtr@plus.ds14.agh.edu.pl) |
| 00:14.14 | *** join/#openmoko mohamed (n=chatzill@196.205.116.172) |
| 00:14.38 | *** join/#openmoko CVirus (n=GoD@82.201.174.232) |
| 00:25.00 | *** join/#openmoko exastra (n=go@75.148.80.90) |
| 00:36.54 | *** join/#openmoko Marex (n=marex@gwfm10-3-250.802.cz) |
| 00:44.34 | *** join/#openmoko j_ack (n=j_ack@dsbg-4db7d757.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 00:45.43 | *** join/#openmoko untwisted (n=untwiste@216.131.100.211) |
| 00:46.03 | *** part/#openmoko untwisted (n=untwiste@216.131.100.211) |
| 00:46.10 | cesarb | A friend just sent me this link: http://beta.ivancover.com/wiki/index.php/Eee_PC_Internal_Upgrades and all I can say is... wow. |
| 00:46.14 | *** join/#openmoko untwisted (n=untwiste@216.131.100.211) |
| 00:46.38 | *** join/#openmoko dkirker (n=dkirker@64.161.56.206) |
| 00:47.24 | *** part/#openmoko untwisted (n=untwiste@216.131.100.211) |
| 00:51.31 | Moniker42 | cesarb, but.... there's no *keyboard* :P |
| 00:51.57 | *** join/#openmoko Marex (n=marex@gwfm10-3-250.802.cz) |
| 00:57.07 | inwoo | cesarb: yeah i saw that... pretty slick |
| 00:58.17 | *** part/#openmoko stefan_schmidt (n=stefan@datenfreihafen.org) |
| 00:58.28 | *** join/#openmoko stefan_schmidt (n=stefan@datenfreihafen.org) |
| 01:04.10 | *** join/#openmoko mahmoud_ (n=Mahmoud@41.234.154.21) |
| 01:10.20 | *** join/#openmoko Marex (n=marex@gwfm10-3-250.802.cz) |
| 01:21.14 | *** join/#openmoko orion__ (n=orion@124-171-161-144.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 01:28.42 | *** join/#openmoko gambler (n=orion@124-171-216-96.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 01:44.46 | *** join/#openmoko affen (n=kala@194.126.113.157) |
| 01:50.01 | *** join/#openmoko dkirker (n=dkirker@64.161.56.206) |
| 01:53.34 | *** join/#openmoko summatusmentis (n=summatus@umm-yrless170.morris.umn.edu) |
| 01:59.12 | *** join/#openmoko dbmoodb (n=david@unaffiliated/dbmoodb) |
| 01:59.20 | *** join/#openmoko agoode (n=agoode@2001:4830:1633:0:212:3fff:fe70:6222) |
| 02:02.18 | *** join/#openmoko CVirus (n=GoD@82.201.174.232) |
| 02:06.32 | *** join/#openmoko fgau_ (n=fgau@pD953A81B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 02:10.12 | *** join/#openmoko prpplague (n=dave@ppp-70-245-139-181.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 02:21.32 | *** join/#openmoko slchen (n=slchen@125-233-84-239.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 02:24.16 | *** join/#openmoko hrw|gone_ (n=hrw@ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl) |
| 02:36.39 | *** join/#openmoko CVirus (n=GoD@82.201.174.232) |
| 02:37.09 | *** join/#openmoko zncbtrn (n=zencubot@modemcable064.45-130-66.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 02:38.23 | *** join/#openmoko behdad (n=behdad@CPE001217b19226-CM0012c9c84bc4.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 02:38.23 | *** join/#openmoko netx (n=rlange@osiris.darkempire.org) |
| 02:53.49 | *** join/#openmoko summatusmentis (n=summatus@rn083002.morris.umn.edu) |
| 02:53.55 | *** join/#openmoko daMaestro (n=jon@fedora/damaestro) |
| 02:59.47 | *** join/#openmoko mindCrime (n=chatzill@cpe-065-190-188-124.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 03:02.59 | *** join/#openmoko Tobi (n=tobi@pD9E85D27.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 03:37.12 | *** part/#openmoko stefan_schmidt (n=stefan@datenfreihafen.org) |
| 03:47.40 | *** join/#openmoko abraxa__ (n=abraxa@pD95FCAD8.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 03:48.16 | *** join/#openmoko orion_ (n=orion@124-171-208-84.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 04:00.27 | *** join/#openmoko orion__ (n=orion@124-171-211-82.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 04:03.25 | *** join/#openmoko SP-8472 (i=8472@dslb-084-056-243-188.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 04:08.38 | *** join/#openmoko peter_b (n=biertrin@p5497AE05.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 04:08.52 | *** join/#openmoko C7 (n=C7@zux006-058-029.adsl.green.ch) |
| 04:10.00 | *** join/#openmoko Kero (n=kero@dhcp-077-251-029-148.chello.nl) |
| 04:20.33 | *** join/#openmoko Sonicadvance (n=Sonic@67.61.15.39) |
| 04:25.54 | *** join/#openmoko TeringTuby (n=maarten@195-241-125-243.ip.telfort.nl) |
| 04:27.06 | *** join/#openmoko Aria (n=aredride@acrux.theinternetco.net) |
| 04:29.12 | *** join/#openmoko pigeon (n=pigeon@60-241-137-179.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 04:30.02 | *** join/#openmoko NineX (i=ninex@NineX.eu.org) |
| 04:32.08 | *** join/#openmoko wildfire (n=wildfire@203.7.227.146) |
| 04:41.20 | *** join/#openmoko TeringTu1y (n=maarten@195-241-125-243.ip.telfort.nl) |
| 05:10.05 | *** join/#openmoko peeps[work] (n=peepsalo@cpe-67-9-161-48.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 05:11.31 | *** join/#openmoko jkilb_ (n=jkilb@p5B20BE45.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 05:17.12 | *** join/#openmoko Marcel_M (n=Marcel_M@86.59.65.236) |
| 05:19.00 | *** join/#openmoko j_ack (n=j_ack@dsbg-4db7d6bd.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 05:19.11 | *** join/#openmoko fobos (n=fobos@78.90.88.244) |
| 05:20.18 | *** join/#openmoko thomasg (n=thomasg@p57AFC8C1.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 05:22.53 | *** join/#openmoko icman (n=icman@123-240-172-21.cctv.dynamic.lsc.net.tw) |
| 05:26.42 | *** join/#openmoko j_ack (n=j_ack@dsbg-4db7d6bd.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 05:55.54 | *** join/#openmoko vininim (n=vininim@pdpc/supporter/student/vininim) |
| 06:11.19 | *** join/#openmoko j_ack (n=j_ack@dsbg-4db7d6bd.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 06:13.20 | *** join/#openmoko daMaestro (n=jon@fedora/damaestro) |
| 06:17.45 | *** join/#openmoko slomo_ (n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo) |
| 06:24.35 | *** join/#openmoko playya (n=playya@p508B059F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 06:26.21 | *** join/#openmoko astro76 (n=jtaji@unaffiliated/astro76) |
| 06:27.41 | *** join/#openmoko gambler (n=orion@124-171-163-40.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 06:34.41 | *** join/#openmoko orion_ (n=orion@124-171-160-157.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 06:41.18 | *** join/#openmoko orion__ (n=orion@124-171-209-51.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 06:43.29 | *** join/#openmoko geaaru (n=geaaru@host61-219-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 06:45.18 | *** join/#openmoko Longfield (n=valentin@80-219-5-243.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 06:48.13 | *** join/#openmoko rob_w (n=bob@M9fc4.m.pppool.de) |
| 06:48.55 | *** join/#openmoko Zoolooc (n=fredsiba@nrbg-4dbf9da5.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 06:50.43 | *** join/#openmoko gambler (n=orion@124-171-141-100.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 06:51.49 | *** join/#openmoko peter__b (n=biertrin@p5497A61A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 06:53.21 | *** join/#openmoko dneary (n=dneary@mne69-9-88-163-116-163.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 06:59.33 | *** join/#openmoko drath_ (i=vmaster@p5B07FE3B.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 07:03.28 | *** join/#openmoko Zoolooc_ (n=fredsiba@nrbg-4dbf9da5.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 07:11.22 | blindcoder | moin |
| 07:21.35 | *** join/#openmoko buz (n=buz@84-75-143-122.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 07:30.42 | *** join/#openmoko greentux (n=lemke@Z65b4.z.pppool.de) |
| 07:34.15 | *** join/#openmoko rmoravcik (n=rmoravci@gtsgw.ttc.cz) |
| 07:38.04 | *** join/#openmoko bentob0x (n=laurent@ip-213-49-80-142.dsl.scarlet.be) |
| 07:38.52 | *** join/#openmoko lysanderslair (n=jeff@CPE0014bf4ad3e5-CM001a66825f60.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 07:46.29 | *** join/#openmoko SP-8472 (i=8472@dslb-084-056-211-028.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 07:46.57 | *** join/#openmoko tholin (n=tholin@85.8.6.155.static.se.wasadata.net) |
| 07:46.57 | *** join/#openmoko batti (n=batti@blfd-4db50184.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 07:51.09 | *** join/#openmoko ecraven (i=nex@eutyche.swe.uni-linz.ac.at) |
| 07:52.13 | *** join/#openmoko fgau (n=fgau@62.8.133.125) |
| 07:54.42 | *** join/#openmoko slomo (n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo) |
| 07:58.43 | *** join/#openmoko thomasg_ (n=thomasg@p57AFBD3C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 07:59.38 | *** join/#openmoko jonibo (n=jonas@193.12.106.2) |
| 08:12.21 | *** join/#openmoko SP-8472 (i=8472@dslb-084-057-255-187.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 08:18.03 | *** join/#openmoko n0on3 (n=n0on3@81-208-83-247.fastres.net) |
| 08:24.14 | *** join/#openmoko Sonicadvance1 (n=Sonic@67.61.15.39) |
| 08:33.02 | *** join/#openmoko zween (n=zween@78-86-213-209.zone2.bethere.co.uk) |
| 08:42.27 | *** join/#openmoko bentob0x (n=laurent@ip-213-49-80-142.dsl.scarlet.be) |
| 08:45.28 | *** join/#openmoko greentux (n=lemke@ip-217-18-181-130.static.reverse.dsi.net) |
| 08:47.17 | *** join/#openmoko TRIsoft (n=mac@p57A2F340.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 08:47.48 | TRIsoft | morning |
| 08:53.03 | *** join/#openmoko Xilent (n=supersti@unaffiliated/xilent) |
| 08:57.19 | *** join/#openmoko jpozlovsky (n=jindra@r9fl187.net.upc.cz) |
| 08:59.38 | *** join/#openmoko nurgle_ (n=nurgle@pirates.ivistar.de) |
| 09:03.00 | CVirus | Morning TRIsoft |
| 09:03.27 | *** join/#openmoko gambler (n=orion@124-171-169-52.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 09:08.01 | *** join/#openmoko Cyorxamp (n=Cyorxamp@212.57.232.254) |
| 09:10.16 | *** join/#openmoko Marex (n=marex@gwfm10-3-250.802.cz) |
| 09:13.10 | *** join/#openmoko Marex (n=marex@gwfm10-3-250.802.cz) |
| 09:13.23 | *** join/#openmoko Mitacheto (n=chatzill@83.228.7.57) |
| 09:33.21 | *** join/#openmoko zedstar (n=john@82-44-200-69.cable.ubr08.haye.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 09:34.53 | *** join/#openmoko xcasex (n=robert@clients.udk.se) |
| 09:40.12 | *** join/#openmoko jannu (n=jannu@hoas-fe3cdd00-15.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 09:47.19 | *** join/#openmoko ruoso (n=ruoso@mail.verticalone.pt) |
| 09:52.32 | *** join/#openmoko DanHerg (n=herghili@89.123.138.129) |
| 09:54.47 | *** part/#openmoko Cyorxamp (n=Cyorxamp@212.57.232.254) |
| 09:56.45 | *** join/#openmoko danilos (n=danilo@canonical/launchpad/danilos) |
| 09:59.24 | *** join/#openmoko N-Mi (n=nicolas@calvix/staff/N-Mi) |
| 10:06.12 | *** join/#openmoko hrw_ (n=hrw@ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl) |
| 10:21.25 | *** join/#openmoko El_Salvador (n=Brescia@adsl-128-179.37-151.net24.it) |
| 10:24.03 | *** join/#openmoko bentob0x (n=laurent@ip-213-49-80-142.dsl.scarlet.be) |
| 10:27.04 | *** join/#openmoko lrg (n=liam@lumison.wolfsonmicro.com) |
| 10:32.07 | *** join/#openmoko hrw (n=hrw@ewi546.ewi.utwente.nl) |
| 10:34.07 | *** join/#openmoko dbmoodb (n=david@unaffiliated/dbmoodb) |
| 10:34.49 | dbmoodb | got a question regarding the freerunner - what is the sound card and how would it compare with an ipod's sound quality i use high quality inner ear headphones and want to know .... |
| 10:36.38 | XorA | dbmoodb: codec is comparable to iphone |
| 10:36.43 | XorA | dbmoodb: same company |
| 10:36.51 | XorA | s/iphone/ipod/ |
| 10:36.55 | dbmoodb | sound quality should be similar ? |
| 10:37.13 | XorA | dbmoodb: the only differences will come from board layout, which we dont know yet |
| 10:37.34 | *** join/#openmoko Gybrush (n=Gybrush@f053153026.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 10:37.46 | cesarb | XorA: there's also the ALSA settings... weren't people having problem with some of the 100+ mixer settings not being the ideal some time ago? |
| 10:38.13 | XorA | cesarb: possibly, most of the settings I made on a half working gta01bv2 |
| 10:38.18 | cesarb | XorA: things like noise which was cured by reducing one of the settings from the maximum... |
| 10:38.32 | *** join/#openmoko florian (n=fuchs@217.146.132.69) |
| 10:38.42 | cesarb | XorA: :P |
| 10:38.45 | XorA | cesarb: I dont have the equipment here to check the noise levels |
| 10:38.49 | dbmoodb | well just so you know - noise will be picked up a lot by my headphones and the volume has to be low |
| 10:40.27 | XorA | cesarb: I improved the mixer of gta02, now there are no hard coded scenatios so people can really have fun |
| 10:41.00 | dbmoodb | i just know there is noise with the iphone apparently |
| 10:41.36 | XorA | dbmoodb: the problem with noises, we dont know what will be there until board layout is finalised |
| 10:41.42 | XorA | dbmoodb: so cross your fingers |
| 10:42.10 | dbmoodb | ah but has any one tested the v1 /v2 as they are now ? |
| 10:42.23 | cesarb | cpufreq-core: new min and max freqs are 75000 - 400000 kHz |
| 10:42.27 | XorA | dbmoodb: I have, but its not representative on my model as its broken |
| 10:43.26 | XorA | cesarb: pretty much :-D |
| 10:44.50 | cesarb | ok, this gta02 cpufreq code is working as expected on qemu (which doesn't mean it will work fine on the real device; for instance, on gta01 I found the code was ordering the register writes wrong and going out of spec) |
| 10:45.02 | dbmoodb | well the specs on the wolfson how do they compare - i'm not a real audiophile so... |
| 10:45.35 | cesarb | since it's utterly untested, and has a lot of notifiers missing (including for the spi, which means I have no idea how the glamo would behave), I wouldn't recommend anyone who is not a kernel dev to play with it on a gta02 |
| 10:49.13 | *** part/#openmoko dbmoodb (n=david@unaffiliated/dbmoodb) |
| 10:49.16 | cesarb | dbmoodb: if the volume has to be low, you will pick more noise... there's not much way to avoid it (the noise stays the same, but the signal is weaker) |
| 10:49.20 | cesarb | oops too late |
| 11:04.51 | *** join/#openmoko suuuper (n=suuuper@81-208-88-100.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 11:11.46 | *** join/#openmoko k-s (n=gustavo@189.70.136.15) |
| 11:14.45 | *** join/#openmoko Aniruddha_NL (n=Aniruddh@s5590cf7b.adsl.wanadoo.nl) |
| 11:17.24 | *** join/#openmoko vininim (n=vininim@pdpc/supporter/student/vininim) |
| 11:19.08 | *** join/#openmoko nnpiggy (n=nnpiggy@dsl093-060-111.pit1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 11:22.35 | *** join/#openmoko batti112 (n=batti@blfd-4db50184.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 11:23.19 | *** join/#openmoko polz (n=polz@lbcsi.fri.uni-lj.si) |
| 11:25.15 | *** join/#openmoko MHazem (n=GoD@82.201.174.232) |
| 11:26.47 | *** join/#openmoko mahmoud1 (n=Mahmoud@41.234.154.21) |
| 11:34.46 | *** join/#openmoko lrg (n=liam@lumison.wolfsonmicro.com) |
| 11:40.32 | *** join/#openmoko mahmoud2 (n=Mahmoud@41.234.154.21) |
| 11:45.16 | *** join/#openmoko morricone (n=foobar@dslb-084-057-182-202.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 11:59.28 | *** join/#openmoko Sup3rkiddo (n=sudharsh@unaffiliated/sudharsh) |
| 12:04.36 | *** join/#openmoko simon_ (n=simon@dyn167240.wlan.jku.at) |
| 12:05.17 | *** join/#openmoko Megapower_17 (n=chatzill@196.205.228.212) |
| 12:12.58 | *** join/#openmoko njpatel (n=njp@86.163.241.224) |
| 12:28.29 | *** join/#openmoko Sup3rkiddo (n=sudharsh@unaffiliated/sudharsh) |
| 12:33.32 | *** join/#openmoko zefanja (n=zefanja@p54BA5AAB.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:38.22 | Stephmw | quickly doing some research... what other widget stacks could you use on OM (given the time/money investment)? GTK, Qt, wx, (Java)... Evas/E... |
| 12:38.33 | *** join/#openmoko jpozlovsky (n=jindra@r9fl187.net.upc.cz) |
| 12:40.26 | *** join/#openmoko raster (n=raster@59-112-218-62.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 12:41.29 | florian | Stephmw: almost all you get the source I guess |
| 12:42.13 | Stephmw | florian: it's that 'all' I'm curious about, I've done some googling but I can't figure out the names ;) |
| 12:42.35 | *** join/#openmoko Marex (n=marex@gwfm10-3-250.802.cz) |
| 12:42.41 | mickeyl | morning |
| 12:42.46 | raster | pffft |
| 12:42.48 | Stephmw | hey mickeyl |
| 12:42.51 | raster | mickeyl: PFFT! |
| 12:42.56 | SpeedEvil | StealthCP: athena widgets FTW! |
| 12:43.06 | SpeedEvil | steph: |
| 12:43.08 | florian | :-) |
| 12:43.14 | Stephmw | Haha |
| 12:43.14 | florian | hi mickeyl, hi raster |
| 12:43.15 | mickeyl | Stephmw: anything that has an X11 backend, but the sane choices are much fewer ;) |
| 12:43.17 | *** join/#openmoko lsobral (n=sobral@200.184.118.132) |
| 12:43.21 | mickeyl | mickeyl: cheerio miss Sophie |
| 12:43.28 | mickeyl | oops |
| 12:43.33 | mickeyl | s/mickeyl/raster/ |
| 12:43.35 | Stephmw | mickeyl: did I miss any sane choices? |
| 12:44.46 | raster | :) |
| 12:45.12 | raster | mickeyl: are we going to have a stardnard openembedded/openmoko applications.menu? |
| 12:45.16 | mickeyl | Stephmw: there's also JUCE which is very promising, but first you need to remove the x86 asm out of it |
| 12:45.44 | mickeyl | raster: what does such a menu bring us in addition to .desktop files? |
| 12:45.58 | raster | mickeyl: u already have the .desktop files |
| 12:46.05 | SpeedEvil | does anyone know of a micro with a fast square-wave IQ synth? I'm looking for a (ideally) 1-50Mhz + synth |
| 12:46.07 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 12:46.10 | raster | the .menu gives you a standard structure/ordering of them |
| 12:46.18 | raster | i.e. defines which ones go into a menu - which dont |
| 12:46.37 | raster | wqhat categories/submenus there are and what belongs in each (by category) |
| 12:46.58 | Stephmw | mickeyl: oh, interesting... I hadn't come across that one |
| 12:47.10 | mickeyl | Stephmw: hardly anyone knows about it |
| 12:47.43 | mickeyl | raster: i see. i have to see a .menu file to get an idea about how redundant this is wrt. .desktop files (which have categories as well) |
| 12:48.06 | mickeyl | ah |
| 12:48.18 | mickeyl | it's basically a virtual structure on top of it |
| 12:48.26 | mickeyl | doing more or less the same what matchbox vfolders does |
| 12:48.34 | mickeyl | only a bit more standardized |
| 12:48.51 | mickeyl | yes, sounds good. once we have support for more than matchbox in OE this becomes interesting |
| 12:48.58 | raster | mickeyl: the .menu says "applications contains cateogries "apps", "tools" "utilities" etc. |
| 12:49.09 | raster | it can also assign an icon to that parent menu |
| 12:49.17 | raster | it also defines order |
| 12:49.24 | raster | ie whihc one is first/last |
| 12:49.53 | raster | it can ALSO define more directories for .desktop files |
| 12:49.56 | raster | and import them |
| 12:49.56 | raster | etc. |
| 12:50.00 | *** join/#openmoko dcordes_ (n=user0815@f048003147.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 12:50.18 | Stephmw | ... doesn't look OSS |
| 12:50.19 | raster | either way its "Standard" |
| 12:50.31 | mickeyl | ya |
| 12:50.35 | mickeyl | have a look at http://svnweb.openmoko.org/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/misc/openmoko-today2-folders/ |
| 12:50.41 | raster | gnome/kde/xfce/e17 all use it for the "applications menus" |
| 12:50.43 | mickeyl | same concept, different implementation |
| 12:50.57 | raster | so no reason for us not to as well |
| 12:50.58 | raster | :) |
| 12:51.25 | raster | hmm |
| 12:51.26 | raster | yeah |
| 12:51.28 | raster | seems similar |
| 12:51.50 | raster | all we need to do is ship a standard /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu file |
| 12:52.07 | raster | that has standard menus/categories etc. etc. |
| 12:52.15 | raster | it's up to apps to use it or not |
| 12:52.30 | raster | but it does mean all standrad desktop utils that deal with the system app menu will work |
| 12:52.41 | mickeyl | ya. back those days freedesktop didn't have much of these standards done, that's why mb probably never implemented them. i need to ask mallum whether they do now. in any case we want to have this functionality also in mb at least for the transition period |
| 12:54.39 | raster | it can just fall back to its current mechanism i guess |
| 12:54.39 | raster | :) |
| 12:56.32 | zash | wtf |
| 13:02.27 | raster | wtf! |
| 13:02.33 | *** join/#openmoko dbmoodb (n=david@unaffiliated/dbmoodb) |
| 13:03.11 | *** join/#openmoko kjell (n=bob@82.99.25.66) |
| 13:07.23 | *** join/#openmoko mohamed (n=chatzill@196.205.116.172) |
| 13:10.21 | *** join/#openmoko Valnar (n=Miranda@ip-62-143-211-37.PH-1411C-BSR64K-01.ish.de) |
| 13:12.23 | *** join/#openmoko n0on3 (n=n0on3@81-208-83-247.fastres.net) |
| 13:15.51 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I'm wondering about first making the toolbar icon display match the current battery status better. I think that is the "easy" part of PM stuff |
| 13:20.31 | *** join/#openmoko Marex-notebook (n=marex@gwfm10-3-250.802.cz) |
| 13:22.39 | *** join/#openmoko andrunko (n=andrunko@200.184.118.132) |
| 13:22.40 | raster | HistoryOnTheRoad: how should it match it better? |
| 13:22.57 | raster | as such at the kernel level detail of battery level is very coarse |
| 13:23.08 | raster | the icon is only displaying what the kernel returns via APM |
| 13:23.14 | *** join/#openmoko zween (n=zween@78-86-213-209.zone2.bethere.co.uk) |
| 13:23.40 | *** join/#openmoko _Krieger_ (n=krieger@195.114.133.197) |
| 13:24.17 | *** join/#openmoko StarKnight (n=StarKnig@pdpc/supporter/active/StarKnight) |
| 13:24.52 | HistoryOnTheRoad | raster: Hmmmm. I have a mid-January build (which might be ancient in this regard, I dunno), and it doesn't really seem to change the display at all. The only reliable way to get an update is to plug into a USB source, get the charging icon, unplug, on my revision. |
| 13:25.44 | raster | hmmm |
| 13:25.49 | raster | might be a bug in thre applet |
| 13:25.51 | HistoryOnTheRoad | raster: I can cat from battvolt and get an estimate (very rough, and I assume matching the kernel) and know exactly where I stand, battery wise though. |
| 13:25.56 | raster | well the module for mb-panel |
| 13:26.33 | HistoryOnTheRoad | raster: If there's a bug, I've got an itch :), cause it's been bugging me for a while. |
| 13:26.50 | raster | /proc/apm should give u the full details |
| 13:28.30 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I think this is a good start point. If I can make the mb-panel work in a reasonable way, then I can have confidence that I'm not just about to run out of juice doing something. Then I can try and figure out something about how the PM functions should work, and what controls them |
| 13:28.56 | *** part/#openmoko dbmoodb (n=david@unaffiliated/dbmoodb) |
| 13:29.41 | raster | i have a plan |
| 13:29.42 | raster | :) |
| 13:30.08 | HistoryOnTheRoad | "I love it when a plan comes together" :P |
| 13:31.02 | blindcoder | "I love the sound of a deadline rushing by." |
| 13:34.50 | zash | hehe |
| 13:36.45 | HistoryOnTheRoad | raster: Is there any doco on what emits from /proc/apm? |
| 13:37.14 | *** join/#openmoko Marex (n=marex@gwfm10-3-250.802.cz) |
| 13:37.34 | raster | HistoryOnTheRoad: not that i know of |
| 13:37.40 | raster | its just old and well known |
| 13:37.46 | raster | had code forever to read that |
| 13:38.23 | HistoryOnTheRoad | "old and well known" ... I know it just like the back of my hand :P |
| 13:38.24 | *** join/#openmoko pmw (n=pmw@m9b07fa48.tmodns.net) |
| 13:39.01 | raster | spenmd 30 seconds with google |
| 13:39.09 | blindcoder | cat: /proc/apm: No such file or directory |
| 13:39.12 | raster | like "/proc/apm +format" |
| 13:39.12 | blindcoder | *whistles* |
| 13:39.33 | raster | blindcoder: on the neo? |
| 13:39.55 | blindcoder | raster: no, unfortunately not :( |
| 13:40.10 | raster | the neo has apm as the interface |
| 13:40.19 | raster | apm is deprecated in preference for acpi on pc desktops |
| 13:40.23 | raster | they USED to use apm |
| 13:40.31 | HistoryOnTheRoad | raster: What's google? :D (Already reading results when you mentioned it) |
| 13:40.44 | raster | if u have an old laptop u'll probably have /proc/apm |
| 13:41.47 | HistoryOnTheRoad | raster: So refs about "Standard linux" (cough) APM should apply just fine? I found a HOWTO that looks interesting |
| 13:42.02 | raster | yes |
| 13:42.07 | raster | thats what i was saying |
| 13:42.12 | raster | its been around for so long |
| 13:42.19 | raster | that its even deprecated now |
| 13:42.32 | raster | but still exists in the kernel as an interface and older hardware has it |
| 13:42.42 | HistoryOnTheRoad | "It's been around so long, it's used up it's retirement benefits" |
| 13:43.41 | HistoryOnTheRoad | raster: It's always good to pick stuff that is well used, hopefully that means it's well understood. |
| 13:44.03 | *** join/#openmoko mnabil (n=mnabil@82.201.174.163) |
| 13:44.12 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Does the neo use apmd (or something of similar lineage), then? |
| 13:44.28 | raster | it has apmd - yes |
| 13:44.57 | HistoryOnTheRoad | "kapmd"? |
| 13:45.06 | raster | no |
| 13:45.08 | raster | regular i think |
| 13:45.17 | raster | turn on your neo, ssh in and check |
| 13:45.17 | raster | :) |
| 13:45.26 | raster | time for a small nap |
| 13:45.28 | HistoryOnTheRoad | I'm holding it in my hand. |
| 13:45.30 | HistoryOnTheRoad | :) |
| 13:45.44 | HistoryOnTheRoad | raster: Thanks for the pointers, it'll get me going. |
| 13:46.57 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Coming from FreeBSD, everything is similar but the flags for commands are often slightly different. |
| 13:49.19 | *** join/#openmoko josch (n=josch@host132.natpool.mwn.de) |
| 13:51.35 | *** join/#openmoko zween (n=zween@78-86-213-209.zone2.bethere.co.uk) |
| 14:07.15 | buz | HistoryOnTheRoad: try ps waux |
| 14:07.43 | buz | i know the feeling but i found myself adapting very quickly |
| 14:16.28 | sbeh | +f => pstree |
| 14:16.32 | sbeh | ps fauxw |
| 14:18.02 | zash | ps wtf |
| 14:19.36 | *** join/#openmoko prpplague (n=dave@mail.americanmicrosystems.com) |
| 14:21.47 | *** join/#openmoko miip (n=miip@p54A559BF.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:25.21 | CIA-16 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r71 10/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd/ (5 files in 2 dirs): gsm0710muxd: ship dbus service file |
| 14:26.39 | *** join/#openmoko [[thufir]] (n=[[thufir@S01060016ec23af88.vc.shawcable.net) |
| 14:29.04 | CIA-16 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r72 10/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd/ (ChangeLog data/Makefile.am data/gsm0710muxd): gsm0710muxd: remove init script, activation goes via dbus now |
| 14:30.07 | *** join/#openmoko danilos (n=danilo@212.200.65.19) |
| 14:30.14 | Kero | someone is doing work on gsmd and related things :) |
| 14:33.38 | *** join/#openmoko stefan_schmidt (n=stefan@datenfreihafen.org) |
| 14:36.26 | *** join/#openmoko haakeyar (n=haakeyar@c9C364BC1.dhcp.bluecom.no) |
| 14:37.07 | *** join/#openmoko k-s (n=gustavo@200.184.118.132) |
| 14:41.15 | *** join/#openmoko retracile (n=eli@adsl-69-149-55-173.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 14:45.31 | *** join/#openmoko zncbtrn (n=zencubot@modemcable064.45-130-66.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 14:53.34 | *** join/#openmoko Gottox_ (n=Gottox@s01.de) |
| 14:53.44 | *** join/#openmoko freelock (n=john@logan.freelock.com) |
| 14:59.12 | *** join/#openmoko nnpiggy (n=nnpiggy@209.195.169.219) |
| 15:05.44 | *** join/#openmoko Quadduc (n=stian@149-13-7.oke2-bras2.adsl.tele2.no) |
| 15:10.35 | *** join/#openmoko Ebbe (n=ebbe@users.kollegienet.dk) |
| 15:11.06 | *** join/#openmoko grummel (n=grummel@p5B16CE6A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:11.52 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 15:11.53 | mickeyl | ~lart dbus |
| 15:11.53 | apt | resizes dbus's terminal to 40x24 |
| 15:19.24 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03graeme * r4025 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/panel-plugins/openmoko-panel-bt/src/openmoko-panel-bt.c: |
| 15:19.24 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Update panel-applet-bt to check for different paths used in 2.6.22.5 and |
| 15:19.24 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 2.6.24. |
| 15:19.30 | *** join/#openmoko retracile_ (n=eli@adsl-69-149-43-60.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 15:26.27 | *** join/#openmoko Slaxxer (n=brian@ip70-178-27-23.ks.ks.cox.net) |
| 15:29.50 | *** join/#openmoko k-s[WORK] (n=gustavo@200.184.118.132) |
| 15:30.18 | *** join/#openmoko peeps[work] (n=peepsalo@bwext.kpimdp.com) |
| 15:30.31 | *** join/#openmoko Ryback_ (n=ulisses@200.184.118.132) |
| 15:30.37 | *** join/#openmoko danilos (n=danilo@canonical/launchpad/danilos) |
| 15:32.20 | *** join/#openmoko Fradeve (n=fradeve@87.19.76.109) |
| 15:38.30 | *** join/#openmoko bmk789 (n=bmk789@165.138.40.201) |
| 15:41.18 | HistoryOnTheRoad | buz: True enough, it's mostly a matter of knowing which switches to use really |
| 15:41.50 | *** join/#openmoko TimRiker (n=timr@70-7-198-132.area7.spcsdns.net) |
| 15:42.07 | *** join/#openmoko Blastur (i=Blastur@kr-lun-168-149-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com) |
| 15:42.36 | *** join/#openmoko pH5 (n=ph5@e178243128.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 15:42.43 | *** join/#openmoko erik_ (n=erik@gw.sbg.se) |
| 15:43.13 | CIA-16 | freesmartphone.org: 03mickeyl * r73 10/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd/data/Makefile.am: gsm0710muxd: fix service file @bindir@ substitution |
| 15:43.51 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Kero: I saw your ML post on gsmd ... good stuff. :) |
| 15:45.00 | *** join/#openmoko buz (n=buz@84-75-143-122.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 15:45.39 | HistoryOnTheRoad | buz: True enough, it's mostly a matter of knowing which switches to use really |
| 15:46.00 | HistoryOnTheRoad | buz: (I said that before, after you left but before I realized it :)) |
| 15:46.18 | buz | :) |
| 15:46.37 | buz | i gave up on freebsd during the 5.X cycle |
| 15:47.29 | Kero | HistoryOnTheRoad: thx. like I said (75 minutes ago), should add dbus at the client-side. |
| 15:47.30 | *** join/#openmoko pH (n=1@net12.mlyniec.gda.pl) |
| 15:47.37 | Kero | and then just hope ppl will *use* it |
| 15:47.41 | *** part/#openmoko pH (n=1@net12.mlyniec.gda.pl) |
| 15:48.00 | HistoryOnTheRoad | Ah, never give up. :P I've been a FreeBSDer since 2.0.X ... lots of warts through the years, but it has it's amazing points |
| 15:51.45 | *** join/#openmoko tnb (n=tnb@sdgsystems.net) |
| 15:55.46 | *** join/#openmoko pH (n=1@net12.mlyniec.gda.pl) |
| 15:55.49 | *** part/#openmoko pH (n=1@net12.mlyniec.gda.pl) |
| 16:03.07 | *** join/#openmoko gambler (n=orion@124-171-141-234.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 16:03.44 | *** join/#openmoko larry (n=larry@200.184.118.132) |
| 16:04.32 | *** join/#openmoko lrg (n=liam@lumison.wolfsonmicro.com) |
| 16:09.35 | *** join/#openmoko pmw_ (n=pmw@m278236d0.tmodns.net) |
| 16:17.18 | *** join/#openmoko ArteK_ (n=Artur@82.177.19.205) |
| 16:17.47 | *** join/#openmoko mindCrime (n=chatzill@66.83.208.218.nw.nuvox.net) |
| 16:19.15 | *** join/#openmoko summatusmentis (n=summatus@umm-yrless170.morris.umn.edu) |
| 16:22.51 | *** join/#openmoko slomo (n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo) |
| 16:25.36 | *** join/#openmoko goxboxlive (n=goxboxli@134.84-48-212.nextgentel.com) |
| 16:32.45 | *** join/#openmoko kdean06 (n=kdean06@fsf/member/kdean06) |
| 16:37.53 | *** join/#openmoko wolog (n=wolog@AOrleans-152-1-33-24.w90-21.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 16:39.56 | *** join/#openmoko Tob1 (n=tobi@pD9E85D27.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:40.18 | *** join/#openmoko ArteK (n=Artur@82.177.19.205) |
| 16:45.50 | *** join/#openmoko zefanja (n=zefanja@p54BA5AAB.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:47.51 | *** join/#openmoko orion_ (n=orion@124-171-195-75.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 16:49.33 | *** join/#openmoko Kryczek_ (i=kryczek@faked.name) |
| 16:50.46 | *** join/#openmoko orion__ (n=orion@124-171-218-11.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 16:51.35 | *** join/#openmoko Kryczek (i=kryczek@sludgefeast.com) |
| 16:53.37 | *** join/#openmoko Kryczek (i=kryczek@sludgefeast.com) |
| 16:56.40 | *** join/#openmoko summatusmentis (n=summatus@umm-yrless170.morris.umn.edu) |
| 16:57.19 | *** join/#openmoko larry (n=larry@200.184.118.132) |
| 17:01.18 | *** join/#openmoko rushfort1 (n=rushfort@sifl.rushforthnetworks.com) |
| 17:01.40 | *** join/#openmoko pleemans (n=peter@d51A5E76A.access.telenet.be) |
| 17:01.59 | *** join/#openmoko slchen (n=slchen@125-233-84-239.dynamic.hinet.net) |
| 17:02.10 | *** join/#openmoko behdad (n=behdad@32.60.107.139) |
| 17:02.27 | *** join/#openmoko rob_w (n=bob@M9fc4.m.pppool.de) |
| 17:02.49 | *** join/#openmoko simon_ (n=simon@w208.wist.uni-linz.ac.at) |
| 17:03.05 | *** join/#openmoko dneary (n=dneary@mne69-9-88-163-116-163.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 17:07.52 | *** join/#openmoko wirrwarr (n=fz@ppp-88-217-65-54.dynamic.mnet-online.de) |
| 17:09.04 | *** join/#openmoko zefanja (n=zefanja@p54BA7BB4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:10.11 | *** join/#openmoko freelock (n=john@pool-71-113-32-172.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 17:13.13 | *** join/#openmoko heikkit (n=chatzill@c-67-188-122-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 17:13.27 | *** join/#openmoko polz (n=polz@cpe-213-157-235-31.dynamic.amis.net) |
| 17:16.28 | *** join/#openmoko t_s_o (n=tso@63.84-49-135.nextgentel.com) |
| 17:19.55 | *** join/#openmoko miip (n=miip@p54A56131.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 17:20.18 | *** join/#openmoko gambler (n=orion@124-171-129-253.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 17:20.25 | *** join/#openmoko buz (n=buz@84-75-143-122.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 17:20.30 | wurp2|away | Hah! |
| 17:20.45 | wurp2 | Yesterday I said here I was waiting to ssh into my contact lenses |
| 17:20.47 | wurp2 | http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/02/05/bionic-contact-lens.html |
| 17:23.03 | SpeedEvil | They are missing a rather huge point. |
| 17:23.13 | *** join/#openmoko zipola (n=zipola@zip.kortex.jyu.fi) |
| 17:23.21 | SpeedEvil | Going from LEDs to directed sharp beams of light is hard. |
| 17:23.36 | *** join/#openmoko jas4711 (n=jas@c80-216-80-66.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 17:23.58 | *** join/#openmoko buz (n=buz@84-75-143-122.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 17:24.09 | SpeedEvil | If you just put lights in front of the eye, all you get is blurs |
| 17:24.27 | SpeedEvil | you need to make them look like objects at infinity |
| 17:25.02 | wurp2 | SpeedEvil: As much as that may seem true offhand, I very seriously doubt that it is |
| 17:25.25 | cjb_ie | i reckon SpeedEvil's right |
| 17:25.27 | wurp2 | I'm pretty sure those guys' view of the problem after spending months on it is deeper than your first impression after 2 minutes of looking at it |
| 17:25.56 | cjb_ie | they may in fact have addressed the problem |
| 17:26.15 | cjb_ie | but not bothered to mention it in the press release |
| 17:26.18 | SpeedEvil | I've looked into this moderately deeply - this is a recurring misunderstanding. |
| 17:26.29 | wurp2 | I believe all it would require is to put the leds in a tiny opaque cylinder oriented perpendicular to the surface of the eye |
| 17:26.33 | SpeedEvil | Sure - it may be addressed - but it's not comploetely trivial |
| 17:26.34 | wurp2 | so the light is essentially collimated |
| 17:26.36 | Kero | the LEDs are tiny, and in front of the lens of your eye |
| 17:26.53 | SpeedEvil | a tiny LED in front of your eye is simply a defocussed blur |
| 17:27.07 | Kero | that would seem a blur, indeed. |
| 17:27.11 | wurp2 | If it hits only a small portion of your retina, it doesn't matter |
| 17:27.22 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: but it doesn't. |
| 17:27.28 | cjb_ie | yup, it needs to be a very narrow beam led |
| 17:27.42 | wurp2 | hence the opaque cylinder I was talking about |
| 17:27.52 | wurp2 | of course, I pulled that out of my ass |
| 17:27.53 | Kero | then, they have "openings" where the LEDs go into |
| 17:27.56 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: if you have a 60 degree emssion LED next to the eye, it looks like a 60 degree blur |
| 17:28.08 | wurp2 | but again, I would be shocked if they haven't addressed this |
| 17:28.12 | cjb_ie | essentially the LEDs need to be lasers |
| 17:28.15 | SpeedEvil | I wouldn't. |
| 17:28.16 | wurp2 | again, hence the cylinder |
| 17:28.39 | wurp2 | if the cylinder is long compared to the width of the light source, problem solved |
| 17:28.45 | SpeedEvil | cylinder has problems - diffraction |
| 17:30.08 | Kero | wishful thinking is very powerful :) |
| 17:30.39 | SpeedEvil | I wish holograms worked like they did on star-trek. |
| 17:31.14 | SpeedEvil | Alas, the best you get is for the projecting surface to be a window into the hologramatic world. |
| 17:31.41 | wurp2 | Certainly diffraction exists... without doing the math you can't say anything more than that |
| 17:31.43 | kdean06 | Anyone know why buildhost hasn't updated in over a week? |
| 17:32.06 | Stephmw | One thing that it quite interesting is that often, floaters in the vitrous part of the eyeball are actually fairly well focused |
| 17:32.14 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: annoyingly I've done hte math |
| 17:32.20 | SpeedEvil | StealthCP: they're next to the retina |
| 17:32.43 | SpeedEvil | wurp2: the eyes resolution is pretty much equal to the diffraction limit of a 2mm lens. |
| 17:33.28 | SpeedEvil | If you have a .01mm lens, you're going to have 1/200th the resolution of the eye |
| 17:36.13 | *** join/#openmoko smlsfb (n=jkoenig@cpe-69-201-198-180.hvc.res.rr.com) |
| 17:49.15 | *** join/#openmoko `pwgen` (n=ew@port-83-236-53-3.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 17:55.12 | *** join/#openmoko rmoravcik (n=rmoravci@ip-89-102-255-171.karneval.cz) |
| 17:57.44 | *** join/#openmoko summatusmentis (n=summatus@umm-yrless170.morris.umn.edu) |
| 18:04.33 | *** join/#openmoko daMaestro (n=jon@fedora/damaestro) |
| 18:05.49 | *** join/#openmoko Selveste1_ (i=hidden-u@192.38.9.151) |
| 18:07.17 | *** join/#openmoko Aria (n=aredride@acrux.theinternetco.net) |
| 18:11.27 | *** join/#openmoko retracile (n=eli@adsl-69-149-43-60.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 18:11.48 | *** join/#openmoko morricone (n=foobar@dslb-084-057-182-202.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 18:14.46 | *** join/#openmoko rmoravcik (n=rmoravci@ip-89-102-255-171.karneval.cz) |
| 18:15.42 | *** join/#openmoko Selveste1__ (i=hidden-u@192.38.9.151) |
| 18:15.42 | *** join/#openmoko greentux (n=lemke@Z65b4.z.pppool.de) |
| 18:19.18 | *** join/#openmoko mnabil (n=mnabil@82.201.174.163) |
| 18:19.33 | *** join/#openmoko fulgas (n=fn@81.84.174.91) |
| 18:19.35 | *** join/#openmoko dkirker (n=dkirker@64.161.56.206) |
| 18:23.10 | *** join/#openmoko ajbrun (n=ajbrun@86.155.36.94) |
| 18:24.44 | *** join/#openmoko inwoo (n=ikim@dsl081-165-168.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 18:28.46 | *** join/#openmoko drath_ (i=vmaster@p5B07E74F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:34.29 | *** join/#openmoko Selveste1_ (i=hidden-u@192.38.9.151) |
| 18:37.10 | *** join/#openmoko freelock (n=john@pool-71-113-32-172.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 18:43.06 | *** join/#openmoko Marex (n=marex@gwfm10-3-250.802.cz) |
| 18:45.32 | wurp2 | kdean06: I think that means no one knows why :-) |
| 18:45.52 | kdean06 | I've been offered one suggestion. :P |
| 18:45.58 | kdean06 | Chinese New Year. :) |
| 18:46.10 | wurp2 | hmm, maybe so |
| 18:46.26 | kdean06 | I submitted something to the device-owners lists... I think it's more likely a script error somewhere. |
| 18:47.00 | wurp2 | you still haven't had the app list in the upper left corner of the neo die? |
| 18:47.21 | wurp2 | That section of the title bar goes black for me, and then I see a mouse cursor |
| 18:47.38 | wurp2 | and short press of aux and power button both fail to do anything |
| 18:48.21 | kdean06 | I've had that happen one time. |
| 18:48.36 | kdean06 | I recall the cursor... I don't remember the top panel dying. |
| 18:49.44 | *** join/#openmoko zedstar_ (n=john@82-44-200-69.cable.ubr08.haye.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 18:51.46 | *** join/#openmoko ericthefish (n=ivan@82-71-36-214.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 18:52.24 | wurp2 | I guess that it might be related to the media player |
| 18:52.30 | wurp2 | It's the only app I have open almost all the time |
| 18:52.52 | wurp2 | And it seems to happen when I click on the drop-down too quickly after I unlock the screen |
| 18:53.12 | wurp2 | Or maybe when I tap on it multiple times |
| 18:53.32 | inwoo | speaking of the top panel, what happened to the keyboard icon? |
| 18:53.53 | wurp2 | They had a bug with the matchbox-keyboard |
| 18:54.12 | wurp2 | So they replaced it with the multitap-pad, which opens automatically "when you need it" |
| 18:54.37 | inwoo | hrm... that becomes a problem, there's no way to input stuff when i open qvfb |
| 18:54.43 | *** join/#openmoko deepank__ (n=chatzill@59.178.46.129) |
| 18:54.49 | wurp2 | I've put instructions on the wiki how to bring up matchbox-keyboard, but it's very kludgy |
| 18:54.58 | inwoo | ah , i'll look for it |
| 18:55.01 | wurp2 | I dunno how to put the icon back & let you use it that way |
| 18:55.08 | wurp2 | I think it's Switching_Keyboards |
| 18:55.20 | *** join/#openmoko freelock_ (n=john@c-71-231-94-228.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 18:55.48 | wurp2 | It's linked from some of kdean06's release review notes |
| 18:55.50 | inwoo | thanks i found it, but now multitap-pad is the replacement for matchbox-keyboard |
| 18:56.06 | wurp2 | I don't think that's permanent |
| 18:56.18 | wurp2 | But that is something of a guess :-( |
| 18:56.32 | *** join/#openmoko bentob0x (n=laurent@ip-213-49-80-142.dsl.scarlet.be) |
| 18:56.34 | inwoo | poop... can multitap-pad be forced to open? |
| 18:56.41 | kdean06 | Not easily. |
| 18:56.52 | wurp2 | I think it's the same kludge, more or less |
| 18:56.59 | wurp2 | killall multitap-pad |
| 18:57.02 | wurp2 | then multitap-pad |
| 18:57.05 | wurp2 | (with no -d) |
| 18:57.14 | inwoo | i'll give it a whirl ... |
| 18:57.52 | wurp2 | I personally much prefer matchbox-keyboard, since it has things like Esc, /, Tab... |
| 18:57.55 | inwoo | thanks for the keyboards tip... |
| 18:57.58 | wurp2 | yw |
| 18:58.09 | inwoo | ditto, i was thinking of using a bluetooth keyboard, if it works.. |
| 18:58.24 | wurp2 | I know several ppl are doing that |
| 18:58.54 | kdean06 | Bluetooth keyboards kind of defeat the point of being mobile though. |
| 18:59.03 | kdean06 | Input in general sucks on OM as of today. |
| 18:59.21 | kdean06 | Either the mb keyboard breaks some things, or the multi-tap breaks otehrs. |
| 18:59.31 | inwoo | ./agree, but we are are using the openmoko to do some phoneME work, so mobility is not too much of a concern. |
| 18:59.47 | kdean06 | I've got high hopes for raster's keyboard, whenever it should arrive. |
| 19:00.19 | wurp2 | bluetooth foldable keyboard is an option |
| 19:00.25 | wurp2 | at least if you have a place to sit down |
| 19:00.28 | Stephmw | inwoo: wouldn't happen to have an online presence for that work? |
| 19:01.18 | inwoo | Stephmw: not as of yet, still sort of in its infancy . |
| 19:01.38 | inwoo | Stephmw, but as it becomes more mature, i will do so. |
| 19:02.17 | Stephmw | inwoo: can I ask broadly what the work covers? |
| 19:03.21 | inwoo | Stephmw: it involves getting the QVFB and PhoneME running, for development purposes of java applications |
| 19:04.06 | Stephmw | inwoo: that's a pretty good goal - what UI layers is phoneme using? something on X? |
| 19:05.04 | inwoo | not at this point, QT's Virtual framebuffer is being used at this point to run phoneme |
| 19:05.26 | Stephmw | ok |
| 19:06.19 | *** join/#openmoko Selveste1 (i=hidden-u@192.38.9.151) |
| 19:06.34 | *** join/#openmoko orion_ (n=orion@124-171-141-107.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 19:07.14 | *** join/#openmoko summatusmentis (n=summatus@umm-yrless170.morris.umn.edu) |
| 19:22.13 | *** join/#openmoko AVee_ (n=AVee@edsger.d6.nl) |
| 19:22.24 | inwoo | wurp2: i guess matchbox-keyboard isn't even installed on the latest builds... |
| 19:22.37 | *** join/#openmoko dneary (n=dneary@mne69-9-88-163-116-163.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 19:22.47 | wurp2 | inwoo: That's right, you have to install it |
| 19:22.52 | wurp2 | I think I may have left that off of my page |
| 19:23.39 | *** join/#openmoko baze (n=baze@92.227.85.196) |
| 19:23.47 | wurp2 | I fixed the page |
| 19:24.03 | inwoo | wurp2: no worries, no space left on my rootfs...great |
| 19:24.23 | wurp2 | Do you have a package dir set up on your card? |
| 19:24.30 | inwoo | i guess i'll need to do that |
| 19:24.44 | wurp2 | I created /media/card/ipkg, then added a dest to /etc/ipkg.conf for it |
| 19:25.05 | wurp2 | And I install almost everything to that location, instead of on the flash |
| 19:25.27 | wurp2 | The big caveat is that you must install ipkg-link on the flash |
| 19:25.39 | inwoo | probably for the better, i always seem to flash my device for some reason or another |
| 19:25.48 | wurp2 | Yeah |
| 19:25.58 | wurp2 | I have a little script sequence I run after every flahs |
| 19:26.02 | inwoo | is there a write up? ... i'm guessing ipkg-link makes it possible to install on the card |
| 19:26.32 | *** join/#openmoko orion__ (n=orion@124-171-215-102.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 19:26.42 | wurp2 | inwoo: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Package_management |
| 19:26.58 | inwoo | great, ty. |
| 19:27.07 | *** join/#openmoko Ryback_ (n=ulisses@200.184.118.132) |
| 19:27.16 | wurp2 | Oh, I forgot to tell you the OTHER big caveat |
| 19:27.23 | wurp2 | you have to reformat your card as ext2 |
| 19:27.32 | inwoo | mine is already at ext3 |
| 19:27.40 | wurp2 | I personally created two partitions on my card, one fat and one ext2 |
| 19:27.43 | inwoo | hehe.. |
| 19:27.44 | wurp2 | oh, then you're good |
| 19:31.31 | *** join/#openmoko AVee (n=AVee@edsger.d6.nl) |
| 19:36.04 | *** join/#openmoko ken_ (n=user@84.92.70.37) |
| 19:40.34 | *** join/#openmoko heikkit (n=chatzill@c-67-188-122-139.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 19:41.03 | *** join/#openmoko MetaMorfoziS (n=khmhm@3e44a429.adsl.enternet.hu) |
| 19:51.00 | *** join/#openmoko summatusmentis (n=summatus@umm-yrless170.morris.umn.edu) |
| 19:51.52 | *** join/#openmoko miip_ (n=miip@p54A56131.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:55.25 | *** join/#openmoko Gwaihir (n=Gwaihir@ubuntu/member/gwaihir) |
| 19:57.54 | *** join/#openmoko CVirus (n=GoD@82.201.174.232) |
| 20:01.06 | *** join/#openmoko wolog (n=wolog@AOrleans-152-1-16-247.w90-21.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:02.15 | *** join/#openmoko summatusmentis (n=jts@acrylic.morris.umn.edu) |
| 20:02.17 | *** join/#openmoko PBeck (n=PBeck@HSI-KBW-078-042-060-129.hsi3.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de) |
| 20:02.25 | PBeck | hi |
| 20:03.08 | summatusmentis | hi PBeck |
| 20:03.56 | PBeck | hi summatusmentis |
| 20:06.07 | *** join/#openmoko Cap_J_L_Picard (n=ewanm89@unaffiliated/ewanm89) |
| 20:06.43 | *** join/#openmoko nibbler_de (n=nibbler@as250.net) |
| 20:08.04 | *** join/#openmoko marsan (n=marsan@ti500720a080-10043.bb.online.no) |
| 20:08.31 | *** join/#openmoko mohamed (n=chatzill@41.196.247.96) |
| 20:11.15 | *** join/#openmoko Sufflope (n=Sufflope@crj95-3-82-237-151-219.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 20:12.20 | *** part/#openmoko stefan_schmidt (n=stefan@datenfreihafen.org) |
| 20:14.26 | *** join/#openmoko xcasex (n=robert@ua-83-227-156-234.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 20:15.02 | *** join/#openmoko Aria_ (n=aredride@acrux.theinternetco.net) |
| 20:30.01 | *** join/#openmoko geaaru (n=geaaru@87.14.205.99) |
| 20:34.11 | *** join/#openmoko TobiX (i=tobias@zoidberg.org) |
| 20:37.32 | *** join/#openmoko Robin_ (n=Robin@ip565e7288.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 20:37.34 | Robin_ | Hello all |
| 20:38.04 | Robin_ | I am looking for a Linux Phone with a Qwerty Keyboard does anyone know one? (eg, does a OpenMoko have that?) |
| 20:38.23 | *** join/#openmoko retsdmtx (n=S_@auh-as37788.alshamil.net.ae) |
| 20:38.32 | Aria_ | Could use a USB one with the right cabling and power for the keyboard. |
| 20:38.40 | zash | openmoko is a linux distribution for phones |
| 20:39.09 | Robin_ | Aria_, But I want it in my Poket ;) |
| 20:39.10 | zash | hard to have a hardware keyboard in software |
| 20:39.23 | Robin_ | zash, I didnt know that. I thought it was a Phone Type ;) |
| 20:39.58 | zash | common missconception |
| 20:40.30 | zash | the neo 1973 & freerunner does not have qwerty or even keyboard |
| 20:40.36 | Robin_ | So, Zash can I isntall OpenMoko on anykind of Phone? (Since I really want to have QWERTY(like the HTC Phones) and Linux) |
| 20:41.03 | *** join/#openmoko [NeutroN] (i=bHd_Neut@217-189-184.5001.adsl.tele2.no) |
| 20:41.07 | zash | Robin_: not yet |
| 20:41.09 | zash | but some |
| 20:41.23 | kdean06 | In theory, yes. In practice, it probably won't work well enough to be usable without lots of hacking. |
| 20:41.45 | zash | there is a page on the wiki with hardware that ppl have put openmoko on |
| 20:42.15 | *** join/#openmoko Longfield (n=valentin@80-219-5-243.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 20:42.16 | Robin_ | Werll, I am a programer in C. So first I thought about reading how GPRS works so Coding that part in it myself. But well I found OpenMoko and I kinda feld lucky ;) |
| 20:42.32 | Robin_ | zash, Ah, thanks Ill look there. Maybe my quest can finaly be over ^^ |
| 20:43.19 | zash | not many as of yet thou :( |
| 20:43.21 | zash | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/OpenMoko-supported_hardware |
| 20:43.34 | Robin_ | Thanks :) |
| 20:43.37 | *** join/#openmoko Howler (n=wwolfe@c-68-57-245-61.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 20:43.42 | CVirus | Robin_: take a look at #HTC-Linux |
| 20:43.49 | Robin_ | Well, If I get one with USE. And I learn how FrogPads wiork that should be fine ^^ |
| 20:43.59 | Robin_ | CVirus, Will do, thanks AGAIN ;) |
| 20:44.04 | CVirus | Robin_: no problem |
| 20:44.16 | zash | Robin_: some dude here have the neo and apple bt keyboard |
| 20:45.43 | Robin_ | zash, but that one is like HUGE ;)? |
| 20:46.13 | zash | normal keyboard without numpad, but very thin |
| 20:46.44 | zash | there is some foldable keyboard too |
| 20:47.22 | Robin_ | zash, Frog pad is half of a normalkeybord without Numlock, but problem is though, you have to learn typing with it ;) |
| 20:47.50 | Robin_ | But, I can ask a electronics buddy of mine to build one for me. A Small one. I guess I just do that and buy a Neo (it has a USB right?) |
| 20:48.01 | zash | yes |
| 20:48.17 | zash | the gta02 aka freerunner has powerd usb |
| 20:48.42 | Ebbe | zash: Wow. When was that information released? |
| 20:48.48 | Robin_ | Ah, well Ill just look into the FreeRunner and the Neo then and decite then what I want ;) |
| 20:48.53 | zash | Ebbe: powerd usb? |
| 20:48.59 | Ebbe | zash: Yes |
| 20:49.39 | zash | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Neo1973#.22Phase_2.22_.28GTA02.2C_.22Mass_Market.22.29 |
| 20:49.52 | zash | in the grey box |
| 20:49.54 | zash | * USB Host function with power |
| 20:50.34 | Ebbe | zash: I must have been sleeping for a while, because that is really cool, and I should have noticed it :) |
| 20:50.41 | retsdmtx | anyone good here with electronics? :) |
| 20:50.42 | CVirus | what's powered USB ? |
| 20:50.44 | Robin_ | Atheros Wifi !! =D YEY I need this THing :P |
| 20:51.06 | Ebbe | Robin_: :) |
| 20:51.28 | *** join/#openmoko orion_ (n=orion@124-171-160-231.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 20:51.46 | Robin_ | What is the Full Name of it? Neo1443? |
| 20:52.10 | zash | Neo 1973 |
| 20:52.27 | zash | and Neo Freerunner is the one with wifi and stuff |
| 20:52.44 | zash | Robin_: http://rabenfrost.net/openmoko/keyboard.jpg |
| 20:53.22 | Robin_ | ah, so the Freerunner has: Wifi, USB, BT, and GPS? |
| 20:53.23 | Ebbe | zash: You've got the keyboard workin? |
| 20:53.36 | Ebbe | Robin_: Yes. It's nice |
| 20:53.40 | Robin_ | zash, And that Picture.. WHWH! =D |
| 20:53.57 | zash | Ebbe: i have no neo :( and that is some pic someone posted somewhere |
| 20:54.18 | Robin_ | Is the Neo Freerunner already for Sale? :P |
| 20:54.23 | *** join/#openmoko Marex (n=marex@gwfm10-3-250.802.cz) |
| 20:54.33 | Ebbe | zash: Damn :/ I have that exact keyboard, and can't get it to work with the Neo |
| 20:54.48 | zash | Robin_: no, see topic |
| 20:54.51 | Ebbe | zash: You can't backtrace the person? |
| 20:55.05 | *** part/#openmoko Howler (n=wwolfe@c-68-57-245-61.hsd1.in.comcast.net) |
| 20:55.13 | *** join/#openmoko playya_ (n=playya@p508B1645.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 20:55.19 | Robin_ | zash, sorry :) |
| 20:56.07 | zash | hm |
| 20:56.07 | Ebbe | zash: Uhh, he is also hosting a btkeyboard.tar.bz2 one dir up from the picture :) |
| 20:56.27 | zash | ~log |
| 20:56.27 | apt | i heard log is as piece of wood, or a record, or the opposite of exponentiation |
| 20:56.36 | zash | :( |
| 21:00.26 | *** join/#openmoko Gwaihir_ (n=Gwaihir@88-149-173-250.static.ngi.it) |
| 21:01.15 | Robin_ | Neo Freerunner!! =D I need one.. |
| 21:01.35 | Robin_ | Lol, I al really Bouncing on this chair atm.. -.-' |
| 21:02.15 | zash | Ebbe: http://www.google.se/search?q=site%3Alogs.nslu2-linux.org+keyboard.jpg+openmoko |
| 21:03.13 | Ebbe | zash: Hey, thanks! |
| 21:04.20 | *** part/#openmoko Aria_ (n=aredride@acrux.theinternetco.net) |
| 21:04.27 | Robin_ | zash, Ur swedish right?:P Since my Google is swedish now.. heh |
| 21:04.29 | zash | np :D |
| 21:04.40 | zash | Robin_: yupp |
| 21:04.58 | Robin_ | MiniKey is also really cool if you have USB and want a keybaord ;) |
| 21:05.05 | *** join/#openmoko bkruse (n=bkruse@216.207.245.1) |
| 21:05.09 | Robin_ | Dimensions : 8 cm x 5 cm x 1 cm (maximum sizes) |
| 21:05.44 | Ebbe | Robin_: MiniKey looks cool |
| 21:06.25 | *** join/#openmoko orion__ (n=orion@124-171-161-149.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 21:06.28 | Robin_ | I just found it, I just need to buy one :P |
| 21:06.37 | summatusmentis | how is the onscreen keyboard currently? |
| 21:06.44 | Robin_ | Though, I need o save my money for my DriverLicense :/ Umm, Hard... |
| 21:06.47 | *** join/#openmoko Sonicadvance (n=Sonic@pool2-wireless217.conpoint.com) |
| 21:08.24 | wurp2 | Robin_: You can get the Neo 1973 now if you're willing to debug some and use alpha software |
| 21:08.33 | zash | and beta hardware |
| 21:08.38 | wurp2 | summatusmentis: It is multitap and it sucks |
| 21:08.40 | Robin_ | wurp2, AH, I always are :P |
| 21:08.43 | Robin_ | am* |
| 21:08.43 | wurp2 | zash: Excellent point |
| 21:08.52 | Robin_ | I use Gentoo linux ;) so heh |
| 21:08.53 | *** join/#openmoko wolog (n=wolog@AOrleans-152-1-16-247.w90-21.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 21:09.01 | summatusmentis | wurp2: can it be fixed? |
| 21:09.18 | Robin_ | Also, I am a Coder and I like to make myself think I am good in it |
| 21:09.19 | summatusmentis | we could rotate the screen, and have a keyboard almost fullscreen |
| 21:09.38 | wurp2 | The main diff between 1973 & FreeRunner is lack of wifi, half cpu speed, some power mgmt hardware missing, and lack of accelerometers |
| 21:09.52 | wurp2 | summatusmentis: See Switching_Keyboards on the wiki |
| 21:10.12 | Robin_ | wurp2, Well I need Wifi. |
| 21:10.19 | wurp2 | Yeah, IMO we should have a full screen landscape keyboard overlaid on the data |
| 21:10.29 | zash | wurp2: and unpowerd usb port |
| 21:10.37 | wurp2 | Robin_: In that case you're out of luck unless you want to wire in a powered usb hub & port a wifi driver |
| 21:10.47 | wurp2 | zash: Ah yes, that too |
| 21:10.59 | Robin_ | wurp2, Not a good idea to much wires in a Plane ;) I think I get some troubles then |
| 21:11.14 | Ebbe | josch: ping |
| 21:11.24 | wurp2 | Robin_: I have some instructions for powered hub (for another device (gp2x), but no difference) on the web |
| 21:11.29 | wurp2 | Robin_: very true |
| 21:11.39 | josch | Ebbe, lol? |
| 21:11.43 | wurp2 | It's unwieldy anyway |
| 21:11.58 | Ebbe | josch: Have you had any succes with the freedom bt keyboard? |
| 21:12.09 | josch | Ebbe, unfortunately no |
| 21:12.16 | Ebbe | josch: :( |
| 21:12.44 | Ebbe | josch: Has torpor? |
| 21:12.58 | Ebbe | josch: I saw you had a conversation about it |
| 21:13.25 | josch | I thought I was the only one with that kind of keyboard |
| 21:13.51 | Robin_ | How much will the Neo Freerunner Cost? |
| 21:13.53 | Ebbe | josch: Oh, he doesn't have one.. |
| 21:13.55 | Robin_ | Aprox |
| 21:13.58 | wurp2 | $450, I think |
| 21:14.30 | Robin_ | ah only 300 Euros. I go nuts. Thats Cheaper then I thought it would be =D |
| 21:14.45 | josch | Ebbe, the problem was that aside from the keyboard only working on my ubuntu host and not on my neo it was broken and I send it back to the seller |
| 21:15.10 | Ebbe | josch: Ahh, so now I'm the only one :) .. |
| 21:15.18 | josch | haha |
| 21:15.35 | josch | Ebbe, is yours fully working on other linux machines aside from openmoko |
| 21:15.41 | *** join/#openmoko Moniker42 (n=sean@pdpc/supporter/student/Moniker42) |
| 21:16.01 | Robin_ | Guys and Girls. |
| 21:16.06 | Robin_ | THanks for ALL the help |
| 21:16.08 | Robin_ | But I go now |
| 21:16.12 | Ebbe | josch: Nope, but have worked on it most with the Neo. Havn't really tried my laptop |
| 21:16.13 | Moniker42 | right, i've been playing with the GTA01 for a few days now, where do i complain about the hardware in the hope of it being fixed for the gta02? :P |
| 21:16.14 | Robin_ | Watch SouthPark :D |
| 21:16.21 | Robin_ | Cu asll |
| 21:16.23 | Robin_ | all* |
| 21:16.25 | Robin_ | Cheers |
| 21:16.53 | *** part/#openmoko Robin_ (n=Robin@ip565e7288.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 21:17.30 | zash | Moniker42: check the bugthingy |
| 21:18.09 | wurp2 | Moniker42: What is the hardware problem you're having? |
| 21:20.00 | Moniker42 | wurp2, aha. i still have my problems from last night, but i wanted to raise a few incidental suggestions |
| 21:20.15 | Moniker42 | such as how the plastic on the groove thingy to take the back cover off is getting worn |
| 21:20.34 | wurp2 | I haven't had that problem yet |
| 21:20.36 | Moniker42 | the power button is a wee bit awkward, as is the aux button |
| 21:20.44 | wurp2 | Power button is very awkward |
| 21:20.49 | wurp2 | To some degree it's meant to be |
| 21:20.56 | wurp2 | but often I can't tell if I have it down or not |
| 21:21.01 | Moniker42 | yea |
| 21:21.16 | Moniker42 | maybe it's just the length of time you have to hold it that's annoying |
| 21:21.29 | wurp2 | At first it worried me because I thought if I held it too long it would go down hard |
| 21:21.40 | wurp2 | but I don't think that's working right now |
| 21:31.48 | *** join/#openmoko jpozlovsky (n=jindra@r9fl187.net.upc.cz) |
| 21:34.46 | Ebbe | josch: It is working! I modprobed uinput, and it works! But not om my ubuntu box..? Odd, but I don't care! :) |
| 21:35.40 | *** join/#openmoko wolog (n=wolog@AOrleans-152-1-16-247.w90-21.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 21:40.16 | *** join/#openmoko ozamosi (i=nibbo@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-23e4b655ea5d4e59) |
| 21:41.43 | *** join/#openmoko nibbo_ (i=nibbo@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-e0b5bf410af65245) |
| 21:42.08 | mwester | wurp2: I'm looking forward to new cases being offered for the neo -- I too find the power and aux buttons to be painful to work |
| 21:42.43 | wurp2 | It falls into the noise level of annoyances for me |
| 21:45.16 | *** join/#openmoko ozamosi_ (i=nibbo@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-d938b4688b9f8f62) |
| 21:46.03 | *** part/#openmoko ozamosi_ (i=nibbo@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-d938b4688b9f8f62) |
| 21:48.17 | josch | Ebbe, I described using modprobe uinput here http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Manually_using_Bluetooth#HID_.28Human_Input_Device.29 a few month ago but it didn't work |
| 21:48.21 | josch | glad it works now |
| 21:48.35 | Ebbe | Yep, me too |
| 21:49.05 | josch | Ebbe, how did you get to know this trick? |
| 21:49.13 | josch | Ebbe, how did you even find me? :-D |
| 21:50.15 | Ebbe | zash: Hehe. Funny story. zash posted a image with the keyboard (your image: http://rabenfrost.net/openmoko/keyboard.jpg) |
| 21:50.34 | Ebbe | josch: Was ment for you ;) |
| 21:51.01 | josch | ah right! :-D |
| 21:51.03 | Ebbe | josch: Then he posted a link to a log from the first time you posted the picture |
| 21:51.29 | Ebbe | josch: From there you spoke of the wiki, and there I found your "modprobe uinput" |
| 21:52.08 | josch | Ebbe, hrm... if it's working now I'm really considering buying a new keyboard of this kind |
| 21:52.35 | josch | Ebbe, you can update the wiki with your findings if you like |
| 21:52.52 | Ebbe | josch: Hmm. It's not supporting the hid standard |
| 21:56.04 | Ebbe | josch: And there isn't an esc key :/ Vi is not the same without it |
| 21:56.41 | wurp2 | Heh, is vi usable at all without it? |
| 21:57.00 | josch | using xmodmap will fix this issue |
| 21:57.06 | josch | just remap another key |
| 21:57.24 | Ebbe | Wait.. YES. The "home" key is esc :) |
| 21:57.49 | *** join/#openmoko tsdogs (n=tsdogs@62.123.180.130) |
| 21:57.55 | Ebbe | No need for any hacking today |
| 21:58.02 | *** join/#openmoko pmw (n=pmw@m278236d0.tmodns.net) |
| 21:59.20 | balrog-kun | haha http://rabenfrost.net/openmoko/charging_circuit.svg |
| 22:00.14 | *** join/#openmoko ma (n=ma@p5B12CE1C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:00.55 | *** join/#openmoko Guest932 (n=1040DB6E@81-208-83-226.fastres.net) |
| 22:01.36 | josch | balrog-kun, lol browsing my webspace ^^ |
| 22:01.48 | josch | balrog-kun, I search for someone sanititizing this |
| 22:02.00 | josch | its quite simple and qorks |
| 22:02.04 | *** join/#openmoko snakefreak (n=xx@dyndsl-091-096-093-186.ewe-ip-backbone.de) |
| 22:02.09 | balrog-kun | :) |
| 22:02.12 | josch | only the resistances are missing |
| 22:02.22 | josch | but I wrote them down somewhere |
| 22:02.40 | josch | I copied the circuit from a 3rd party nokia battery charger |
| 22:03.01 | josch | its unsafe and stuff but worked for half a year now with the FIC battery |
| 22:03.57 | balrog-kun | cool, i wasn't sure whether it was a real circuit or a parody :p |
| 22:04.10 | inwoo | lol |
| 22:07.46 | *** join/#openmoko summatusmentis (n=summatus@umm-yrless170.morris.umn.edu) |
| 22:11.01 | *** part/#openmoko S_ (n=S_@auh-as37788.alshamil.net.ae) |
| 22:11.24 | *** join/#openmoko morricone (n=foobar@dslb-084-057-182-202.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 22:19.50 | *** join/#openmoko lrg (n=liam@lrg2.demon.co.uk) |
| 22:20.46 | cesarb | Just found this: http://lwn.net/Articles/268247/ |
| 22:21.25 | ajbrun | nothing new afaik |
| 22:22.36 | thomasg | michael wrote it to the list (yesterday iirc) |
| 22:23.43 | ajbrun | http://www.tech2.com/india/videos/tech-talk/check-out-the-new-open-source-cell-phone-the-openmoko/27371 |
| 22:24.01 | *** join/#openmoko vlo (n=valentin@vpn-epfl-b013.epfl.ch) |
| 22:24.34 | Moniker42 | wurp2, time for another go at the SSH methinks |
| 22:28.22 | wurp2 | OK |
| 22:28.42 | wurp2 | I'll be around for about another hour, and others can help too |
| 22:29.42 | Moniker42 | wurp2, would it be quicker if i just gave you SSH to my desktop and you could take care of the rest? ;) |
| 22:32.03 | inwoo | Moniker42, way i see it, might be better to teach you how to fish ;) |
| 22:32.28 | inwoo | did you follow the USB Networking wiki page? |
| 22:33.02 | inwoo | besides, one would need root access to set ifconfig, and that wouldn't be so secure |
| 22:34.44 | wurp2 | Moniker42: Probably not |
| 22:35.02 | wurp2 | I am at work; I can't really devote many minutes at a time to your issue |
| 22:35.18 | Moniker42 | nah, i think i might spend tonight putting qtopia on tonight anyway |
| 22:35.19 | wurp2 | and what he said |
| 22:36.06 | inwoo | Moniker42, if you can ssh into your neo, it's probably a route or a ipforwarding issue |
| 22:36.33 | Moniker42 | yea, my router/isp has always been a bit fussy |
| 22:36.46 | Moniker42 | and i've always been a bit silly with networking problems |
| 22:36.53 | inwoo | but yeah, we're here to help if on any steps |
| 22:36.59 | Moniker42 | good to know :) |
| 22:39.27 | wurp2 | I'm pretty sure it's just the "route add" missing on your host machine |
| 22:39.44 | wurp2 | the router shouldn't matter, if your host machine can get to the internet |
| 22:40.04 | inwoo | or the default route on your moko device ;-) |
| 22:40.07 | wurp2 | er, I should say, the "route add" and the gateway entry |
| 22:40.14 | wurp2 | inwoo: right |
| 22:41.11 | *** join/#openmoko ThePizzaKing (n=jeff@c220-239-221-78.eburwd2.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 22:41.12 | wurp2 | But, if you don't want to use the terminal on your neo, QTopia may be a much better choice for you |
| 22:41.37 | *** part/#openmoko ericthefish (n=ivan@82-71-36-214.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 22:41.38 | ljp | someone just submitted a qtopia terminal app |
| 22:41.44 | ljp | am testing it right now |
| 22:41.56 | *** join/#openmoko gnu{- (n=gnu@quiet.toad.com) |
| 22:42.55 | inwoo | o rly.... i might go ahead and install qtopia along side my openmoko rootfs |
| 22:43.46 | wurp2 | ljp: Woohoo! |
| 22:44.05 | ljp | hmm needs work, though. segfaults |
| 22:44.13 | inwoo | eek |
| 22:45.02 | ljp | looks like i will be testing out sdk today :) |
| 22:45.08 | ljp | our sdk, that is |
| 22:45.43 | *** join/#openmoko CVirus (n=GoD@82.201.174.232) |
| 22:45.56 | Moniker42 | you know i'm surprised at how many people know about this project |
| 22:46.19 | Moniker42 | i brought out the neo gta01 (basically, to show off) in my first year computing science class and there were lots of looks of recognition |
| 22:46.55 | Moniker42 | and nearly all the linux users i know are waiting on gta02 with credit cards in hand |
| 22:46.58 | ajbrun | i hardly know any |
| 22:47.24 | inwoo | hrm... i know myself and my co-workers...;) |
| 22:47.32 | ajbrun | i know me and 1 other |
| 22:48.45 | wurp2 | I dunno no one in person who knows about it |
| 22:48.49 | ajbrun | i'm not a linux user (yet), but i'm still waiting on gta02 |
| 22:48.52 | wurp2 | except the people I've told :-) |
| 22:49.08 | Moniker42 | i appear to have broken SSH |
| 22:49.11 | *** join/#openmoko playya (n=playya@p508B1645.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 22:49.15 | ljp | hmmm.. seems to work for x86 |
| 22:50.32 | *** join/#openmoko orion_ (n=orion@124-171-138-245.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 22:52.42 | Moniker42 | sean@sean-desktop:~$ ssh root@192.168.0.200 |
| 22:52.42 | Moniker42 | ssh: connect to host 192.168.0.200 port 22: Connection refused |
| 22:52.53 | inwoo | what does ifconfig say for usb0? |
| 22:52.58 | inwoo | btw, |
| 22:53.01 | inwoo | default ip is 202 |
| 22:53.11 | Moniker42 | .. |
| 22:53.29 | Moniker42 | yes, which works. why did i trust the commands i typed at 2am last night? |
| 22:53.53 | inwoo | not too sure ;-) |
| 22:53.54 | Moniker42 | clearly pressing up a few times is not a substitute for figuring out what needs to be typed |
| 22:53.58 | inwoo | never trust 2am commands |
| 22:54.34 | Moniker42 | AHA! |
| 22:54.36 | Moniker42 | it works |
| 22:54.45 | Moniker42 | i don't know what i did, but ipkg is now magically updating |
| 22:54.55 | inwoo | heh.... |
| 22:55.09 | Moniker42 | wait, no it's not |
| 22:55.28 | Moniker42 | but it's doing something it didn't do last night, at least. |
| 22:56.02 | inwoo | type route |
| 22:56.25 | Moniker42 | "Updated list of available packages in /var/lib/ipkg/all", but i'm still getting hostname lookup failure when it tries to download the packages... |
| 22:56.35 | Moniker42 | Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 22:56.35 | Moniker42 | 192.168.0.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 usb0 |
| 22:56.35 | Moniker42 | default 192.168.0.200 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 usb0 |
| 22:56.41 | inwoo | ok try |
| 22:56.44 | inwoo | cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:56.54 | Moniker42 | nameserver 192.168.0.200 |
| 22:57.04 | inwoo | nono, |
| 22:57.13 | inwoo | copy your resolve.conf from your host machine |
| 22:57.19 | cesarb | Moniker42: "nearly all the linux users i know are waiting on gta02 with credit cards in hand" <- heh, a friend of mine (MacOSX user - I managed to convince him to switch from WinXP "just to try it out" on his PowerBook) is waiting for gta02... and for GSM850 (he's a customer of the sole CDMA carrier which is moving to GSM using its old frequency allocations) |
| 22:57.37 | inwoo | in host machine's terminal, scp /etc/resolv.conf root@192.168.0.202:/etc/ |
| 22:57.56 | Moniker42 | it's a shame there won't be such a big marketing campaign, but it's possible the moko could be as big as the iphone |
| 22:58.06 | Moniker42 | viral marketing certainly works :) |
| 22:58.21 | Moniker42 | and when people learn it's cheaper, unlocked, and much more flexible... |
| 22:58.41 | cesarb | Moniker42: hyping the neo would be contraproductive. It would turn people off due to overexposure to what is to them nothing more than just another random phone. |
| 22:58.43 | mjr | Doesn't seem likely to, at first. Hopefully given time (and software development that takes advantage of said flexibility) |
| 22:59.33 | Moniker42 | inwoo, ipkg update completes successfully now \o/ |
| 22:59.57 | inwoo | Moniker42, great, it was a simple dns issue ... |
| 23:00.06 | Moniker42 | :) |
| 23:00.19 | wurp2 | heh, cool, I just took my first successful call while listening to media player |
| 23:00.30 | wurp2 | always before it flaked out |
| 23:00.39 | cesarb | inwoo: that "simple DNS issue" is a problem for "normal users" |
| 23:00.56 | Moniker42 | i've been using linux for over a year and it was an issue for me =\ |
| 23:01.08 | inwoo | cesarb, true true... moko is still in its infancy |
| 23:01.15 | Vegar | cesarb: the host should have some sort of "driver" that takes care of that |
| 23:01.16 | Moniker42 | i'm far from what you'd call an expert, but i've a semester and a half of computing science! :P |
| 23:01.22 | wurp2 | yeah, I think neo will be a very slick phone once it is released and the open source software starts rolling in |
| 23:01.47 | wurp2 | but for now, the feature list is nice, but 'normal' people looking at the phone aren't excited :-( |
| 23:01.48 | cesarb | inwoo: what we need is a windows-only binary which adds an icon to the tray, an icon to the quicklaunch bar, two icons to the start bar, one icon to the desktop, and runs as a driver, which when detecting a neo, runs a DHCP server and a local caching resolver, and the neo run a dhcp client :D |
| 23:02.09 | Moniker42 | cesarb, that sounds like a piece of cake |
| 23:02.15 | Moniker42 | and it has to run on vista and xp, i presume? |
| 23:02.19 | inwoo | cesarb, get to it... i'm expecting a binary by tomorrow. |
| 23:02.31 | Moniker42 | backwards compatible to 2000 and ME would be preferable |
| 23:02.37 | inwoo | and ms-dos |
| 23:03.08 | inwoo | for the hard-core of course |
| 23:03.09 | *** join/#openmoko zween (n=zween@78-86-213-209.zone2.bethere.co.uk) |
| 23:03.32 | wurp2 | ooo! 24 bit paged memory fun |
| 23:03.43 | wurp2 | pseudo-24 bit, I should say |
| 23:03.49 | cesarb | wurp2: EMS ;-) |
| 23:04.54 | *** part/#openmoko ma (n=ma@p5B12CE1C.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:04.55 | *** join/#openmoko br3n (n=bren@79-75-226-180.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 23:05.44 | *** join/#openmoko dkirker (n=dkirker@pcp028815pcs.wireless.calpoly.edu) |
| 23:05.46 | Psi | nice, neo had been running for 12 hours |
| 23:05.59 | CVirus | how is that ? |
| 23:06.27 | Psi | i unpluged the usb 12 hours ago |
| 23:06.28 | *** join/#openmoko toxx_ (n=toxx_@158-236-dsl.kielnet.net) |
| 23:06.54 | *** join/#openmoko _diego__ (n=diego@host-84-223-88-252.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) |
| 23:07.02 | Psi | and just now i pressed the screen and nothing, but as soon as i pluged the usb back in it came up, ie was still running |
| 23:07.16 | cesarb | Psi: w00t. Did you do something special to make it do that? |
| 23:07.29 | inwoo | extra large battery! |
| 23:07.30 | Psi | na, just one of the buildhost builds |
| 23:07.32 | inwoo | ;-) |
| 23:08.05 | Psi | it had been sitting in its keylocked state with the screen off |
| 23:08.21 | cesarb | Psi: ah, isn't the "keylocked" state in fact suspend? |
| 23:08.30 | Psi | dunno |
| 23:08.33 | cesarb | Psi: it's not that surprising then that it was able to recover |
| 23:09.01 | cesarb | Psi: the memory is in self-refresh, and so even if the voltage gets too low for the SoC to run, it can keep its contents for a bit more time... |
| 23:09.19 | cesarb | Psi: and when the voltage comes back, the memory contents are still valid |
| 23:09.33 | Psi | true |
| 23:09.45 | Moniker42 | google! |
| 23:09.47 | Moniker42 | GOOGLE! |
| 23:09.49 | Moniker42 | on a phone! |
| 23:09.53 | cesarb | Moniker42: ... |
| 23:09.54 | Moniker42 | (yes, the web browser works now) |
| 23:10.13 | alp | which browser? |
| 23:10.15 | cesarb | Moniker42: you know, I used google on my Razr V3 Black (using Opera Mini) a lot... |
| 23:10.26 | Moniker42 | that's not the same :) |
| 23:10.43 | inwoo | i google on my iphone |
| 23:10.49 | inwoo | but that's not the same i suppose |
| 23:11.20 | *** join/#openmoko zween_ (n=zween@78-86-213-209.zone2.bethere.co.uk) |
| 23:11.25 | cesarb | (because that would mean a lot of J2ME apps would have become available) |
| 23:11.40 | ewon | j2me can bite my shiny metal ass |
| 23:12.24 | wurp2 | inwoo: You have a neo and an iphone? |
| 23:12.31 | inwoo | wurp2, yes. |
| 23:12.44 | Moniker42 | if you put them in the same pocket, do they cancel each other out like matter and antimatter? |
| 23:12.49 | Psi | heh |
| 23:12.56 | wurp2 | Do you carry both around? |
| 23:13.07 | inwoo | i could not put them in the same pocket, the neo is too bulky /hides |
| 23:13.12 | wurp2 | :-) |
| 23:13.13 | mjr | generally speaking, 'course, it'd be nice if somebody did j2me support to increase OM's mass appeal, but *shrug* |
| 23:13.35 | wurp2 | I thought j2me on OM was already well underway |
| 23:13.45 | inwoo | wurp2, nope... neo is for work dev, so it stays on my desk, with a usb leash |
| 23:14.02 | inwoo | phoneME works fine for me... on qvfb... |
| 23:14.03 | mjr | wurp2, may be, haven't followed |
| 23:14.09 | mjr | inwoo, it's a start |
| 23:14.11 | Tronic | mjr: Shouldn't be much use if one can already use desktop software directly. |
| 23:14.30 | mjr | Tronic, meh, j2me uis are probably more useful though |
| 23:14.41 | Tronic | But I gather that all the programming languages always need to be supported, just for the kicks (e.g. Python on mobile phones). |
| 23:14.43 | mjr | than your random desktop software's |
| 23:14.54 | mjr | 'course, I'm a pygtk guy |
| 23:15.20 | Tronic | mjr: Wouldn't be so sure, as J2ME programs are generally designed to be operated using a keyboard, which Neo does not have. |
| 23:15.45 | mjr | Tronic, point, one would guess |
| 23:15.55 | Tronic | Desktop software is designed for mouse (unfortunately usually ALSO keyboard), so it should work rather nicely. |
| 23:16.52 | *** join/#openmoko ahmed (n=chatzill@41.235.2.23) |
| 23:17.28 | ahmed | mohamed : hi man r u there? |
| 23:25.44 | *** join/#openmoko retracile (n=eli@adsl-69-149-43-60.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 23:26.17 | mohamed | ahmed: yes I'm |
| 23:26.39 | mohamed | ahmed: have far have you reached with your build? |
| 23:26.47 | Moniker42 | i just phoned out!! :D |
| 23:28.20 | mohamed | ahmed: how far* |
| 23:28.55 | mohamed | ahmed: CVirus is at eglug anf I think he is around here |
| 23:30.07 | Moniker42 | only question left is, how do i send sms? :) |
| 23:30.15 | Moniker42 | the messages icon on the home screen does not respond to pressing |
| 23:30.22 | mohamed | ahmed: I'm just trying to work with poky linux but there are no much people there |
| 23:31.05 | mohamed | ahmed: only RP and he is helpful but he don't need contributers :( |
| 23:31.47 | *** join/#openmoko lameass (n=fz@ppp-88-217-75-212.dynamic.mnet-online.de) |
| 23:32.14 | RP | mohamed: That is twisting what I said ;-) |
| 23:32.51 | RP | mohamed: Poky welcomes contributors is what I said, "needs" isn't quite right |
| 23:35.34 | mohamed | RP: sorry I got it like that, but I willing to try poky and start to contribute ;) |
| 23:36.53 | *** join/#openmoko El_Salvador (n=Brescia@adsl-128-179.37-151.net24.it) |
| 23:41.50 | cesarb | OK, with today's change, GTA02 cpufreq on my tree is at least on theory at the same level of features as GTA01 cpufreq (i.e. not much...) |
| 23:42.36 | cesarb | The main difference is that, of course, GTA02 is utterly untested (it boots on qemu...), while GTA01 cpufreq is very lightly tested (it does change frequencies on real hardware, the serial behaved last time I tested) |
| 23:43.02 | dennda | cesarb: does it actually compile now? |
| 23:44.21 | cesarb | dennda: yep, I fixed the tens of compiler errors caused by the splitting of the code (did that yesterday, in fact) |
| 23:45.00 | cesarb | dennda: also tested on qemu ("faking" a gta02 - basically changing the init code to always chose the gta02 path) and it didn't crash, kernel panic, or something like that |
| 23:46.03 | cesarb | dennda: it'll probably misbehave in real hardware, however. The very core of the code (the ->set function, which does the frequency switching) is 2-3x more tricky on gta02 |
| 23:48.04 | *** join/#openmoko BlackBsd (n=brian@72.168.193.117) |
| 23:51.15 | *** join/#openmoko j_ack (n=j_ack@dsbg-4db7d6bd.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 23:54.47 | *** join/#openmoko baird (n=cbaird@brushtail.apana.org.au) |
| 23:58.01 | dennda | cesarb: nice. i hope it works out |
){kind=link}
