| 00:00.10 | ljp | hopefully more than 5 hours |
| 00:00.17 | dennda | that's "suspend"? |
| 00:00.32 | raster | yes |
| 00:00.32 | raster | cpu suspends |
| 00:00.33 | dennda | 5 hours? i thought that was if I actively use it |
| 00:00.36 | raster | memory is left on refresh cycles only |
| 00:00.49 | raster | all devices should be powered down EXCEPT the gsm/gprs unit |
| 00:00.55 | dennda | but it is possible to receive calls in that state? |
| 00:00.57 | dennda | ah ok |
| 00:01.04 | raster | it should stay alive but in low pwoer mode and interrupt the main cpu waking it up when anything of interest happens |
| 00:01.12 | dennda | 5 hours would be veeery short... |
| 00:01.15 | dennda | cannot imagine |
| 00:01.18 | raster | at which point main system resumes |
| 00:01.21 | Ebbe | 5 hours when not in suspend but screen turned off in my experience |
| 00:01.23 | raster | much like a laptop |
| 00:01.40 | Ebbe | ..and no cpu load |
| 00:02.10 | cesarb | Ebbe: the cpufreq patches I'm working on should improve the time when not in suspend |
| 00:02.13 | dennda | to me it's more interesting how long i can carry it around but not actively use it without having to connect it to a power supply |
| 00:02.17 | raster | my guess - in real life would be mybe 50-100hrs in suspend |
| 00:02.32 | raster | thats a guess |
| 00:02.35 | dennda | the problem with that is... it's a guess :) |
| 00:02.38 | dennda | yeah :) |
| 00:02.40 | Ebbe | cesarb: Looking forward to it :) |
| 00:02.42 | cesarb | raster: some people will also want bluetooth enabled on suspend |
| 00:02.52 | raster | cesarb: that will drain a bit more |
| 00:03.31 | raster | also depends on the pwoer state of gsm and how much other stuff we actually manage to turn off |
| 00:03.31 | dennda | is it using a tickless kernel? |
| 00:03.31 | dennda | (i doubt) |
| 00:03.32 | raster | also voltage leakage |
| 00:03.33 | raster | dennda: if the os is supended - does it matter? |
| 00:03.33 | raster | :) |
| 00:03.35 | cesarb | raster: not much more... some time ago I for no reason in particular left the bluetooth on my razr and my palm enabled all the time (...in fact it was so my palm could easily dial out) |
| 00:03.51 | dennda | not in suspend, but if the system is powered on it may make a difference |
| 00:03.59 | raster | dennda: it will. |
| 00:04.13 | cesarb | dennda: a tickless kernel wouldn't improve as much as cpufreq, which is why I decided to tackle cpufreq first |
| 00:04.19 | dennda | raster: so is it using a tickles kernel already? |
| 00:04.22 | dennda | oh ok |
| 00:04.25 | dennda | cool |
| 00:04.29 | raster | dennda: not sure if we are tickless yet - but its there and avail;able in modern kernels |
| 00:04.35 | dennda | yes |
| 00:04.42 | dennda | shouldn't be a hardware issue |
| 00:05.44 | cesarb | raster: we aren't. There's a generic tickless support, but due to the way the s3c timer works it isn't as easy to use. |
| 00:05.57 | dennda | I assume you have already received the gta01 versions of the device already? |
| 00:05.58 | raster | cesarb: frankly i think its not so important for us currently - rock solid suspend/resume and supfreq as u said are much more important |
| 00:06.15 | cesarb | raster: (all the other arm tickless drivers I looked at used a comparator to do the trick; the s3c doesn't have a comparator, it counts down to zero, meaning you'd have to reload the counter all the time... losing some precision in the process) |
| 00:06.25 | ewon | personally |
| 00:06.28 | KrisAbsinthe_ | evening all |
| 00:06.30 | ewon | and don't hate me |
| 00:06.43 | ewon | I'd perfer something like how the xbox 360 dashboard works |
| 00:06.50 | ewon | so linux runs as it would on any palmtop device |
| 00:06.59 | ewon | with the dialer logic etc all run from the bios |
| 00:07.08 | raster | cesarb: then u'l need to regularly poll system clock to adjust variable ticks for accuracy :( |
| 00:07.24 | raster | ewon: there is no bios |
| 00:07.30 | raster | it does not exist |
| 00:07.42 | ewon | raster: I know, it would require a different hardware paradigm |
| 00:07.59 | cesarb | In fact, if you have only a gta01, doesn't use the sound (from the SoC, using from the modem should work), doesn't use a SD card, and don't mind a bit of screen flicker, cpufreq should already be usable... |
| 00:08.10 | raster | ewon: that paradigm is long dead. |
| 00:08.16 | raster | ewon: linux *IS* the bios |
| 00:08.18 | raster | its the os |
| 00:08.42 | raster | utilities/apps are proceses |
| 00:08.49 | raster | it lets u dynamically allocate resources as neede |
| 00:08.56 | raster | danythign else reuqires statifc pre-allocation of resources |
| 00:09.03 | raster | eg Nmb of video ram |
| 00:09.10 | raster | 1 overl;ay/display plane on video hw |
| 00:09.15 | raster | a certain amount of system ram |
| 00:09.16 | raster | etc. |
| 00:09.25 | raster | its silly to do so and over-complicated |
| 00:09.47 | ewon | raster: I know it requires resources, but it means Linux can be as (unbroken) as it likes, and the phone functionality is intact |
| 00:09.57 | ewon | *shrugs* |
| 00:10.37 | raster | then u ned up with a new OS for the phone things |
| 00:10.47 | raster | whihc may be as (un)broken as u like too |
| 00:10.57 | raster | you just made life a lot more complex |
| 00:11.15 | dennda | Would any of you devs mind roughly watching your device as its consuming the battery-power over time for a more accurate estimation of suspend-life? :) |
| 00:11.34 | raster | dennda: no chance |
| 00:11.41 | raster | my batteries are definitely not new |
| 00:11.50 | KrisAbsinthe_ | Mine only lastes 6 hours w/ GSM shutoff |
| 00:11.54 | raster | and i'm eternally booting/rebooting/screwign with things |
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| 00:12.15 | dennda | KrisAbsinthe_: Being in standby all the time? |
| 00:12.28 | cesarb | who was the one who was doing that serial work... wasn't mwester? there's bug 1221 |
| 00:12.30 | dennda | raster: heh :) I won't announce it on the net ;) |
| 00:12.38 | dennda | but ok, I see |
| 00:12.53 | KrisAbsinthe_ | dennda: yup, 5 hours W/ GSM on |
| 00:12.57 | raster | devs are the last peolpe u should ask |
| 00:13.03 | raster | as they are doing things on their devices all the time |
| 00:13.07 | raster | not letting them idle :) |
| 00:13.13 | cesarb | ewon: what you want is something like root for the phone things and non-root for the PDA things |
| 00:13.29 | ewon | cesarb: lower level than that, really |
| 00:14.07 | ewon | but the basic concept is the same |
| 00:14.51 | dennda | KrisAbsinthe_: uhhhh |
| 00:15.02 | cesarb | ewon: something like xen/paravirt/etc? isn't it a f* waste of resources in something which already doesn't have many of them to begin with? |
| 00:15.25 | raster | cesarb: complete waste of resources |
| 00:15.36 | raster | and u'd still have the problem that u need an arbiter to access the video device |
| 00:15.41 | raster | or for that matter any devices that are shared |
| 00:15.49 | ewon | cesarb: I'm talking something that interrupts userspace to handle gsm etc |
| 00:15.52 | dennda | 5 hours is not that long (even in comparison to my old nokia 3310 which still lasts several days in "passive mode") |
| 00:16.08 | summatusmentis | on the HXD8(or some future device) are we gonna have the same extensive wait period? |
| 00:16.09 | cesarb | raster: arbiter? nah, they would be virtualized (you'd call an API to display things in the screen... say, like a remote X client) |
| 00:16.16 | raster | dennda: "passive" mode for your nokia == suspend |
| 00:16.31 | raster | cesarb: correct - x becomes the arbiter |
| 00:16.36 | ewon | you have a directx api on the 360 |
| 00:16.40 | cesarb | ewon: you seem to be thinking of SMM then, one of the ugliest warts of the history of computers |
| 00:16.42 | raster | thus virtual os has to calk back to linux os that runs x... |
| 00:16.45 | dennda | Will freerunners batterylife increase? KrisAbsinthe_ was that tested with the latest updates? (If there are any updates concerning power consumption. I see there is progress) |
| 00:16.48 | dennda | raster: yes |
| 00:16.51 | ewon | yet the udnerlying OS can still break in to overlay the Xbox live UI etc |
| 00:16.59 | KrisAbsinthe_ | dennda: It is possible with more tweaking to add a lot of battery life, one of the devs noticed when the screen blanks out it turns black instead of its default "white" |
| 00:17.01 | raster | one way or another u need something between then to control access |
| 00:17.27 | raster | ewon: the hardware allows for that |
| 00:17.29 | KrisAbsinthe_ | Yes the GTA02s power will be better, and yes I have the latest images from 1/31 |
| 00:17.31 | dennda | KrisAbsinthe_: thus not saving any power? I heard that from some laptops in the past |
| 00:17.33 | ewon | raster: exactly! |
| 00:17.43 | ewon | hence why I said above it woudl require a different hardware paradigm |
| 00:17.47 | raster | ewon: and frankly - as cesarb said. it's a waste orf resources |
| 00:17.54 | raster | its a dying/bad paradigm |
| 00:17.56 | cesarb | ewon: well, isn't that because on the Xbox the games/whatever run virtualized? IIRC nothing on a Xbox can directly get to the hardware but its kernel (or was it the PS2?) |
| 00:18.03 | raster | in software its just silly |
| 00:18.19 | raster | its a lot of abstraction, jumping through hoops and overhead in the end |
| 00:18.25 | raster | for basically what would amount to no gain |
| 00:18.26 | cesarb | ewon: and wouldn't you get the EXACT SAME EFFECT by running these things on uid=0 and letting the normal apps run on uid!=0? |
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| 00:18.40 | KrisAbsinthe_ | dennda: my suggestion was remove the video from the SoC when suspending or going blank, same with audio and SD when not being accessed, i think this will add a lot, maybe double? |
| 00:18.46 | cesarb | KrisAbsinthe_: it was me who noticed that ;-) |
| 00:18.57 | raster | cesarb: why do they even need to run as uid0? |
| 00:19.09 | cesarb | raster: to better match ewon's mental model |
| 00:19.10 | KrisAbsinthe_ | cesar: yup, i forgot who lol |
| 00:19.11 | raster | cesarb: done right all apps should/can run as a nonprivelidged uid |
| 00:19.23 | raster | and only go through specific-purpose services when tyhey need anythingt |
| 00:19.41 | ewon | cesarb: if the OS works, yeah |
| 00:19.56 | dennda | KrisAbsinthe_: I think it should have at least several *days* of standby-power for mainstream market. (IMHO. People don't want to charge their phones twice a day) |
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| 00:20.17 | cesarb | ewon: in your model, if the OS doesn't work, you are depending on... another OS below it |
| 00:20.34 | dennda | cesarb: was that fixed already? |
| 00:20.36 | cesarb | ewon: and other than the serial port mixup, the OS _works_ |
| 00:21.11 | KrisAbsinthe_ | dennda: I cant speculate on the GTA02 to much, but they added MUCH power management, some hardware some software. the 01 is still a dev model and i am patient. |
| 00:21.20 | cesarb | dennda: nope, didn't even open a bug report on it yet |
| 00:21.33 | cesarb | dennda: perhaps I will tackle that after I do most of the cpufreq stuff |
| 00:22.02 | KrisAbsinthe_ | cesarb: I never looked at the source, is this all in C/C++ i assume? |
| 00:22.14 | cesarb | KrisAbsinthe_: they didn't add much power management to gta02 afaik... the software is the same, the hardware is slight better with power management but it's mostly the software which does the magic here |
| 00:23.01 | cesarb | KrisAbsinthe_: the kernel? it's C with GCC extensions |
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| 00:23.07 | dennda | KrisAbsinthe_: I am patient to. Can't wait for it to hit the market, but battery life (at least moderate, several days) are crucial to me. I am still using my old nokia 3310 which is TOTALLY broken in every aspect you can imagine ;) |
| 00:23.28 | raster | we expect several days too |
| 00:23.28 | dennda | cesarb: that'd be great. should save a lot of power, shouldn't it? |
| 00:23.30 | KrisAbsinthe_ | A Philips PCF50633 04 N3 is used for power management: I thought this is an addition? |
| 00:23.34 | raster | wew know what the market is for phones |
| 00:23.38 | raster | and how long it should last |
| 00:23.40 | dennda | raster: thanks :) |
| 00:23.43 | cesarb | dennda: well, the _only_ reason (besides crashy gsmd) I'm not using the neo as my phone is battery life (which is why I'm trying to do something about it) |
| 00:23.47 | raster | we see no good reason it shouldnt be within the same ballpark |
| 00:23.57 | raster | we just have software issues to overcome to get there |
| 00:24.00 | dennda | cesarb: glad to hear that |
| 00:24.22 | dennda | Sounds good |
| 00:24.25 | cesarb | KrisAbsinthe_: It's a replacement. The gta01 uses a different chip. Other than that, not much difference. |
| 00:24.48 | ewon | cesarb: I'm not doubting that it does, I mean it allows a smaller, more RT-os to handle the phonecalls, and allow linux to concentrate on the user interaction |
| 00:24.52 | KrisAbsinthe_ | cesarb: can we expect better life for the 01 later on? |
| 00:25.47 | cesarb | ewon: well... that already does happen! The phone calls are handled by a separate OS running on a separate (closed) chip, and all linux does is to handle the user interaction! |
| 00:26.17 | cesarb | KrisAbsinthe_: in theory, yes. In practice, it has to be tested yet. But there are LOTS of ways to squeeze more uptime from it. |
| 00:26.24 | KrisAbsinthe_ | cesarb: thanks for clearing that up, I assumed there was little that could be done. I learn something everyday. |
| 00:26.41 | cesarb | KrisAbsinthe_: we have suspend, cpufreq, dynticks, powering off stuff, and esoteric novelties like "sleepy linux" |
| 00:26.55 | dennda | Just one last question (which you may not be willing or able to answer) before I shut up and let you continue coding: Are there any recent speculations about the price of freerunner? (I only read that gta01 base cost 300USD) |
| 00:27.06 | cesarb | KrisAbsinthe_: of these, I'd expect suspend, powering off stuff, and cpufreq to be the ones who do most difference, in that order. |
| 00:28.03 | cesarb | dennda: recent? none that I know of. There's an old one IIRC with the non-devkit phone costing as much as the devkit gta01, but that probably has changed. |
| 00:28.45 | KrisAbsinthe_ | Its very odd to get real answers from a company lol |
| 00:30.09 | KrisAbsinthe_ | cesarb: damn, your here a lot for free lol |
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| 00:32.42 | dennda | thank you guys. I hope you can fix remaining bugs and polish the thing quickly. can't await getting one of those gadgets :) |
| 00:32.46 | cesarb | KrisAbsinthe_: I have a neo. I want to make it work fine. That's why I am here. |
| 00:33.09 | cesarb | KrisAbsinthe_: after all, the reason I use Linux is that if it doesn't do what I want, I can bash at the code until it does |
| 00:33.24 | KrisAbsinthe_ | cesarb: no better reason, and thats why i love linux too |
| 00:33.52 | KrisAbsinthe_ | im just now getting used to coding C/C++ in linux. a bit of a change |
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| 00:37.41 | cesarb | KrisAbsinthe_: I'm perhaps a bit too used to coding C/C++ on linux (before using linux I used DJGPP...) :D |
| 00:38.49 | KrisAbsinthe_ | i got used to borland WAY back in the day |
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| 00:46.05 | cesarb | KrisAbsinthe_: I used Turbo Pascal for some time before a relative left a copy of DJGPP1 on my computer. The only thing I remember of Pascal is that pointers are ^ not * |
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| 00:46.32 | KrisAbsinthe | lol i used to use pascal to make BBS door games HAHA |
| 00:51.28 | dennda | (What's freerunners resolution again? Can't find it right now) |
| 00:52.01 | dennda | 480x640? |
| 00:52.18 | KrisAbsinthe | (1.7" x 2.27" - 43mm x 58mm) 480x640 toppoly |
| 00:57.09 | broedje | vga? hehe |
| 00:57.17 | cesarb | KrisAbsinthe: these were the dark ages, where getting hold of a copy of something like gcc wasn't as common |
| 00:58.01 | cesarb | KrisAbsinthe: nowadays it's more like "I want a fortran compiler, apt-get install. I want a forth interpreter, apt-get install." |
| 00:58.11 | KrisAbsinthe | cesarb: yup, one of my friends bought borland for $150, i copied it lol |
| 00:58.37 | wurp2|away | The recent releases (1/29 on, afaik) don't seem to like my symbolic link from /home/root to /media/card/home/root |
| 00:59.13 | wurp2 | I'm guessing that somehow the system is not ready to read off the card when it first tries to read from the home directory |
| 00:59.16 | KrisAbsinthe | cesarb: i remember when Linux had NO package manager, it was more like ./configure make make installl......WHAT STILL DEPENDENCIES.,did that like 500 times to get an Xserver |
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| 01:03.45 | KrisAbsinthe | cesarb: lol Linux has come along way in the last 12 years. |
| 01:04.07 | cesarb | KrisAbsinthe: true, to the point we've begun to expect things to "just work" |
| 01:04.47 | mmontour | wurp2: are you still using the 2.6.22.5 kernel? The SD-card driver seems to be broken in 2.6.24. |
| 01:05.14 | KrisAbsinthe | wow |
| 01:06.30 | KrisAbsinthe | my first linux machine was one i built from the "Kernel Compatibility" list. back then it was hard to find hardware that wanted to be stable |
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| 01:08.40 | cesarb | And to top the irony, months later at work, the sysadmin was having trouble with a NIC not being recognized by the kernel |
| 01:08.52 | cesarb | Guess which kind of NIC it was? |
| 01:09.04 | KrisAbsinthe | HA thats funny |
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| 09:59.29 | dbmoodb | ... ah just a warning Someone, probably you from IP address 88.198.58.17, has registered an account - that isn't my ip is openmoko.org having problems or ... |
| 09:59.34 | dbmoodb | am i being mimed |
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| 10:00.20 | XorA | dbmoodb: that might be your proxy |
| 10:00.55 | dbmoodb | i don't have a proxy located in germany - no way |
| 10:01.24 | XorA | dbmoodb: actually it might be the openmoko reverse proxy |
| 10:01.32 | XorA | dbmoodb: checking the whois |
| 10:01.35 | dbmoodb | can some one do a check |
| 10:01.45 | dbmoodb | reverse proxy would get germany ? |
| 10:01.58 | XorA | openmoko.org has machines in a data center in .de |
| 10:02.06 | dbmoodb | ah |
| 10:03.02 | XorA | its an IP in the same datacenter, I would suspect misconfiguration |
| 10:10.57 | dbmoodb | ? |
| 10:11.03 | dbmoodb | well it scared me |
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| 10:59.13 | XorA | 1252 root 20 0 23944 3844 3004 S 22.1 3.1 0:11.75 gst-launch-0.10 |
| 10:59.27 | XorA | hmm, pretty good efficiency with gstreamer there, pity about pulse :-( |
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| 11:10.44 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03werner * r4020 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/atheros_2_0_function.patch: (log message trimmed) |
| 11:10.44 | CIA-16 | openmoko: ar6k: 2.0.0.89 firmware support |
| 11:10.44 | CIA-16 | openmoko: The 2.0.0.40 firmware crashes when getting certain RX data patterns, |
| 11:10.44 | CIA-16 | openmoko: which can easily be reproduced when running an SSH transfer over WPA. |
| 11:10.44 | CIA-16 | openmoko: The 2.0.0.89 firmware fixes that and doesn't seem to introduce |
| 11:10.48 | CIA-16 | openmoko: regressions. This patch is neede to support this firmware. |
| 11:10.50 | CIA-16 | openmoko: Signed-off-by: Samuel Ortiz <sameo@openedhand.com> |
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| 11:29.41 | KrisAbsinthe | make qemu |
| 11:29.48 | KrisAbsinthe | oops... wrong window |
| 11:30.01 | zash | classic |
| 11:30.36 | KrisAbsinthe | lol |
| 11:31.22 | balrog-kun | make: *** No rule to make target `qemu'. Stop. |
| 11:33.27 | XorA | neat, balrog-kun is actually a bog with shell access :-) |
| 11:33.36 | XorA | sudo rm -rf / |
| 11:33.45 | zash | sudo kill -9 1 |
| 11:33.53 | KrisAbsinthe | thats funny. |
| 11:33.55 | balrog-kun | bash: sudo: command not found |
| 11:34.28 | balrog-kun | ;) |
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| 11:37.51 | adoran | /sbin/ifdown eth0 |
| 11:39.00 | balrog-kun | the internet is ppp0 :( |
| 11:39.43 | ahven | balrog-kun: :()(:|:& );: |
| 11:41.11 | balrog-kun | ahven: {:-> |
| 11:41.38 | ahven | hmm, why didn't you execute it? :) |
| 11:42.07 | balrog-kun | i could but i know it wouldn't do much because i've set up a 64 processes limit :p |
| 11:42.16 | balrog-kun | and there would be no output anyway |
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| 13:25.01 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4021 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/ (opkg_download.c opkg_state.h): opkg: fix gpg enabled builds and fix one compiler warning |
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| 13:35.55 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: [21:22:45] <-- SpeedEvil saiu desse servidor (Remote closed the connection). |
| 13:37.35 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: thanks. |
| 13:37.59 | SpeedEvil | I do wonder what's happneing and if my ISP is intentionally killing my client |
| 13:38.07 | SpeedEvil | They're not emailing me or anythign |
| 13:38.22 | Vegar | are you sure it's not your equipment? |
| 13:39.39 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: that might be a stateful firewall or NAT timing out |
| 13:39.53 | SpeedEvil | naah - it's on the host |
| 13:39.59 | SpeedEvil | their shell host |
| 13:40.10 | mwester | SpeedEvil: I have much trouble with IRC sessions getting killed when I travel because of proxies and the like. |
| 13:40.25 | SpeedEvil | I just talk to it using screen |
| 13:40.45 | Vegar | maybe screen caved in? |
| 13:40.47 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: try dmesg, it could be the OOM killer |
| 13:40.48 | Vegar | happened to me once |
| 13:40.58 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: on the shell host |
| 13:41.02 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: no access |
| 13:41.13 | SpeedEvil | It's OTOH free with my ISP |
| 13:41.15 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: normal users normally can use dmesg... |
| 13:41.48 | SpeedEvil | they are using wierd virtual hosts of some sort |
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| 13:47.43 | Xx13 | can i ask when frequency scaling coming to official images? |
| 13:48.02 | XorA | Xx13: when there is a working driver |
| 13:48.21 | Xx13 | isn't that soon? |
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| 13:49.21 | XorA | Xx13: due to out universes principle of causality I cant predict when I add it to official builds until I see working driver |
| 13:50.47 | Stephmw | ... time to reboot the universe, brb! |
| 13:51.28 | Xx13 | the page in the wiki, looks like it's done... or almost |
| 13:54.09 | Xx13 | what is standby expected to be like, then scaling is working? |
| 13:56.09 | cesarb | Xx13: the scaling driver itself is done (sorta - I'm gone refactor its whole structure to add gta02 support today), but that's not enough -- almost every one of the several SoC drivers needs to have added support for it, or it'll misbehave |
| 13:56.39 | cesarb | Xx13: for instance, the serial driver would simply stop working, and the framebuffer would flicker horribly (both are drivers I already made) |
| 13:57.18 | cesarb | Xx13: sound from the SoC (ringtones, for instance), the vibrator, and SD/MMC are other areas I'd expect to fail without a notifier |
| 13:57.50 | XorA | cesarb: sound on GTA02 doesnt need notifier, on gta01 it will |
| 13:58.29 | XorA | cesarb: BTW I assume you dont have a gta02 |
| 13:58.39 | cesarb | (btw, http://xkcd.com/378/ is what Stephmw was refering to) |
| 13:58.57 | Xx13 | cesarb: could it be done so, that there is a layby mode then non of the peripherals are used except GSM for example, and when the call comes it switches to full speed? |
| 13:59.07 | cesarb | XorA: only a few people within OM have a gta02, how would someone outside OM like me have one? |
| 13:59.27 | Stephmw | cesarb: I can be a little obtuse at times :) |
| 13:59.40 | XorA | cesarb: I know, my gta02 sits by my right hand |
| 13:59.41 | cesarb | Xx13: that's standby mode, other people are working on it |
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| 14:04.34 | Xx13 | is there any info on it? |
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| 14:23.41 | dennda | XorA: how long does the battery last for you at the moment? (in suspend while you are not actively using it) |
| 14:24.12 | XorA | dennda: 24 hours |
| 14:24.39 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4022 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/Makefile.am: opkg: include opkg_state.h in libopkg_include_HEADERS |
| 14:25.04 | dennda | XorA: Which powersaving-features are already available on your specific device? |
| 14:25.14 | dennda | (If any ;)) |
| 14:25.19 | XorA | dennda: just whatever is in default images |
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| 14:26.46 | dennda | XorA: Ok. Any estimations on how long it will last after software-updates? (i.e.: the consumer version) |
| 14:27.08 | XorA | dennda: no |
| 14:27.41 | dennda | I was afraid of that answer :) |
| 14:29.10 | mwester | dennda: estimates of that sort of data are marketing department / sales data only, and seldom have a very good basis in reality. Certainly there is little correlation between the marketing hype and *your* reality in the case of smart phones, as nobody knows what/how you'll use or configure the device! |
| 14:30.14 | mwester | The ultimate suspend mode will yeild standby times measured in many weeks -- however in that ultimate standby state ("OFF") the device is unable to wake on incoming phone calls, or other events. :P |
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| 14:31.23 | dennda | mwester: I am aware of that second reality. That's why I ask you devs. I am interested in estimations on the power consumption when all parts of the device are turned off and you are only noticed about incoming sms/calls (i.e. suspend) |
| 14:31.42 | dennda | mwester: that's not unique to the gta02 |
| 14:31.51 | dennda | many devices have that power-saving option :) |
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| 14:33.57 | India3 | hi |
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| 15:05.09 | Sup3rkiddo | hi all |
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| 15:20.46 | CIA-16 | openmoko: 03mickey * r4023 10/trunk/src/target/OM-2007.2/applications/openmoko-terminal2/ (data/Makefile.in src/mainwindow.vala src/mokoterminal.vala): |
| 15:20.46 | CIA-16 | openmoko: openmoko-terminal2: |
| 15:20.46 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * close tab when shell exits |
| 15:20.46 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * close application when last shell exits |
| 15:20.47 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * remove bogus generated file |
| 15:20.48 | CIA-16 | openmoko: * closes #1191 |
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| 16:28.58 | kdean06 | Egads -> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2955814405.html |
| 16:30.42 | summatusmentis | that's.... good? |
| 16:31.00 | summatusmentis | it's ugly, but.... |
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| 16:31.50 | summatusmentis | but it means that the freerunner might be more widespread |
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| 16:35.27 | kdean06 | Ugly as hell. :) |
| 16:35.44 | summatusmentis | it is the freerunner in essence right? |
| 16:35.58 | summatusmentis | a slightly different case, and not running OM, but the same device |
| 16:35.59 | kdean06 | But yeah, I'm curious there... Is that a Freerunner rebrand, another OpenMoko Inc. client or is it horrific coincidence. |
| 16:36.09 | zash | or a joke? |
| 16:36.21 | kdean06 | I think it's legit. |
| 16:36.32 | summatusmentis | I honestly don't think it would be a coincedence, how is it possible that the cases look identical, just plaid instead of black? |
| 16:36.37 | kdean06 | Well, I don't know if the plad will actually make it. |
| 16:36.51 | kdean06 | But I think the device and the company is legit. |
| 16:37.08 | kdean06 | I'm wondering about $$$. |
| 16:37.30 | summatusmentis | for real, if it's cheaper than the freerunner, I'd consier buying it, and just flashing OM |
| 16:37.32 | El_Salvador | <kdean06> Egads -> http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2955814405.html |
| 16:37.37 | summatusmentis | (assuming it doesn't keep plaid) |
| 16:37.38 | El_Salvador | scottish smartphone? |
| 16:37.41 | El_Salvador | :P |
| 16:38.14 | kdean06 | summatusmentis, I've got a Neo1973, even if it DOES keep the plaid, I'll buy it and just swap cases... |
| 16:38.37 | kdean06 | Somehow I don't think there's much of a competitive advantage there though. |
| 16:38.49 | kdean06 | I'm sure the price will be higher, if not exactly the same. |
| 16:39.06 | SpeedEvil | I do wonder what the price of 1K freerunners'd be |
| 16:39.11 | kdean06 | But I'd like confirmation that this is actually the Freerunner. |
| 16:39.11 | anrp | its the same device, i'd just get a debug board, rip the flash code, and program it in to gta02 |
| 16:39.20 | anrp | the plaid is ... |
| 16:39.33 | buz | SpeedEvil: i would expect them to for a lot more than 1K if they even bother with this |
| 16:39.44 | buz | to go for |
| 16:39.50 | SpeedEvil | I mean - how much freerunner |
| 16:39.58 | SpeedEvil | If you were to order 1K |
| 16:40.02 | buz | yeah i know |
| 16:40.12 | buz | but if you did what koolu plans to, you'd likely order more than 1K |
| 16:40.22 | SpeedEvil | koolu? |
| 16:40.31 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 16:40.46 | kdean06 | It's claiming the device will be released to Devs in March for $400 |
| 16:40.53 | buz | yeah i was wondering about that myself |
| 16:41.00 | summatusmentis | kdean06: I'm a poor college student I doen't have a 1973 |
| 16:41.01 | buz | they know more than we do |
| 16:41.04 | SpeedEvil | I'd not be _completely_ surprised if they've been working hard on porting the java stack to GTA01 |
| 16:41.21 | buz | i'm pretty sure they do have a normal design as well |
| 16:41.27 | buz | this is just to get into the spotlight |
| 16:41.27 | SpeedEvil | and getting it working well - then order a large quantity of freerunner, and swap cases |
| 16:41.35 | buz | NOBODY in their sane mind would release this phone alone |
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| 16:41.52 | buz | why bother swapping cases, fic will do that for you |
| 16:41.53 | summatusmentis | SpeedEvil: and not give the java thing back? |
| 16:42.04 | buz | fic is a hardware company, after all |
| 16:42.15 | SpeedEvil | summatusmentis: Id you can make money selling it - why give it back? |
| 16:42.22 | SpeedEvil | summatusmentis: if you're not compelled to that is |
| 16:42.36 | buz | that largely depends on the VM you started with |
| 16:42.48 | mbuf | summatusmentis, then you need to get a OLPC not a Neo1973? why are all college students always poor? |
| 16:42.59 | buz | mbuf: because they spend all money on beer |
| 16:43.10 | summatusmentis | mbuf: because we all have buttloads of debt |
| 16:43.14 | summatusmentis | I've got a lappy |
| 16:43.41 | mbuf | summatusmentis, ö |
| 16:43.46 | Kero | because banks and others like students to have debt: they are very likely to pay back in the end.... |
| 16:44.07 | buz | also makes sure they will work after uni |
| 16:45.01 | buz | i'm wondering about the dell android rumours |
| 16:45.25 | buz | dell certainly has the distribution angle nailed |
| 16:45.43 | buz | and their pdas were pretty good in their day |
| 16:45.56 | summatusmentis | those rumors were denied |
| 16:46.07 | summatusmentis | came out one day, denied the next by dell |
| 16:46.23 | buz | that doesnt mean much :P |
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| 16:46.45 | buz | i've been wondering for a while now why dell isnt selling phones |
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| 17:14.58 | ciacon | am I choosing to overread theese posts on "community@lists.openmoko.org" or FIC has been pretty quiet on the ongoings of GTA02?? this is quite in contrast to GTA01 with ocasional mail telling us what's up... |
| 17:15.28 | mjr | they've learned their lesson on promising too much too soon :] |
| 17:16.47 | CVirus | omg ... 5th Internet cable damaged |
| 17:16.49 | ciacon | mjr: is a displaying of current events (no crystal balls...) not beneficial to the community?? |
| 17:16.51 | CVirus | God, have mercy |
| 17:17.35 | XorA | ciacon: the latest community update had the current status, remember all .tw people are on holiday |
| 17:17.43 | mjr | CVirus, mysteriously around Iran again? |
| 17:18.19 | kdean06 | mjr, Three is a cosmic coincidence, 5 is a conspiracy. :) |
| 17:18.42 | ciacon | XorA: where can I find that?? I must have missed that... I didn't know they had holidays... |
| 17:18.44 | adoran | didn't they cancel the chinese new year because of all that snow? |
| 17:18.57 | summatusmentis | do they not know what's causing the outages? |
| 17:19.06 | XorA | ciacon: its new year |
| 17:19.51 | ciacon | XorA: not meaning to ask a dumb Q - what year is it?? |
| 17:20.14 | XorA | ciacon: I think Rat, I looked at wikipedia earlier |
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| 17:23.28 | mwester | summatusmentis: Al Gore. |
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| 17:25.06 | CVirus | Guys .. sorry but I'm not a native speaker ... What does a make up test exactly means ? |
| 17:27.55 | adoran | make-up test: a test that can be taken again at a later time, a re-test. |
| 17:28.36 | CVirus | adoran: have you got a page with this definition ? |
| 17:28.40 | cjb_ie | slightly fuzzy there. i'd read it as: if you failed a test, a make-up test is when you take another one to make up for it. |
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| 17:30.06 | Bish | hey guyz |
| 17:31.06 | CVirus | Have you guys got a page with the exact definition ? |
| 17:31.28 | summatusmentis | CVirus: I think it's sort of dependent on the person you talk to. |
| 17:31.31 | adoran | http://books.google.com/books?id=F_eWy_0HdqEC&pg=PA97&lpg=PA97&dq=%22make+up+test%22&source=web&ots=R_11UInN7O&sig=GWECdexZqPryS-zNlHVcceBDRwg#PPA97,M1 |
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| 17:39.35 | CVirus | adoran: thanks |
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| 17:57.00 | mohamed | ahmed: hi ahmed |
| 17:57.17 | ahmed | mohamed: hi ya 2ota |
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| 17:59.31 | CVirus | ahmed: mohamed: eh ya 3arab :-p |
| 18:00.18 | ahmed | CVirus: eh ya virus!!! |
| 18:00.34 | mohamed | CVirus: How are you? we are from Egypt and we are trying to contribute in this project |
| 18:00.41 | CVirus | awesome |
| 18:00.45 | CVirus | I'm from Egypt too |
| 18:00.55 | ahmed | CVirus : i knew that |
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| 18:01.15 | ahmed | CVirus : where r u studing? or working? |
| 18:01.23 | mohamed | CVirus: Where in Egypt? we are from alex |
| 18:01.28 | CVirus | ahmed: studying Compute Science |
| 18:01.34 | CVirus | mohamed: Cairo |
| 18:01.38 | CVirus | Computer* |
| 18:01.46 | CVirus | too much typos .. sorry I'm eating :-D |
| 18:01.52 | ahmed | CVirus : it is ok |
| 18:01.59 | CVirus | mohamed: ahmed: are you guys members of EgLUG ? |
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| 18:02.14 | mohamed | CVirus: what is EgLUG? |
| 18:02.16 | ahmed | CVirus: no |
| 18:02.26 | CVirus | The Egyptian GNU/Linux User Group |
| 18:02.29 | CVirus | #EgLUG |
| 18:02.34 | CVirus | www.EgLUG.org |
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| 18:03.15 | CVirus | mohamed: ahmed: so .. what do you guys do ? |
| 18:03.21 | ahmed | CVirus : nice site |
| 18:03.31 | ahmed | CVirus: and nice ta3mya |
| 18:03.34 | CVirus | hehe |
| 18:03.42 | CVirus | ahmed: mohamed: join #EgLUG |
| 18:04.39 | mohamed | CVirus: we are trying to start system development for openmoko but we are stuck in no where due to lack of knowledge |
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| 18:05.06 | CVirus | mohamed: what knowledge exactly are you lacking ? |
| 18:05.32 | adoran | is there any emulator for the neo? |
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| 18:05.59 | mohamed | adoran: QEMU is the one I'm working with |
| 18:07.18 | mohamed | CVirus: Exactly the starting point, the toolchains to start kernel development and all the related |
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| 18:09.06 | CVirus | mohamed: what exactly do you guys want to do ? |
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| 18:10.17 | mohamed | CVirus: we want to port openmoko on other devices |
| 18:10.39 | CVirus | mohamed: that sounds advanced to me :-D |
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| 18:11.01 | CVirus | mohamed: what devises may I ask ? |
| 18:11.15 | mohamed | CVirus: I'm trying to start from openembedded, I found some guidelines which I'm trying to follow to get familiar with such subject |
| 18:11.57 | mohamed | CVirus: http://www.openembedded.org/wiki/GettingStarted |
| 18:12.41 | mohamed | CVirus: any device, It doesn't matter we only want to know the way how it is done |
| 18:13.52 | mohamed | CVirus: I think that it is a systematic way as there is a poky linux now released and on the same bases |
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| 18:17.46 | CVirus | mohamed: interested in join #EgLUG ? |
| 18:18.55 | mohamed | adoran: if you are using mokomakefile type "make build-qemu", "make flash-qemu-local" and then "make run-qemu", of course after building openmoko locally |
| 18:19.07 | mohamed | CVirus: I've already joined |
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| 18:19.33 | CVirus | mohamed: ahmed == mohamed ? |
| 18:20.06 | mohamed | CVirus: ahmed is my friend, I think he will be right back |
| 18:20.21 | CVirus | mohamed: we're talking on #EgLUG |
| 18:20.24 | CVirus | mohamed: and I don't see you there ! |
| 18:20.26 | XorA | mohamed: what you want to do is as simple as writing a machine.conf file in the first case |
| 18:20.39 | XorA | mohamed: then you need to fix packages that need machine specifics |
| 18:21.08 | XorA | anh arm that uses the standard mainstream gcc/glibc is a doddle to "port" to |
| 18:21.16 | XorA | s/anh/any/ |
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| 18:23.06 | mohamed | CVirus: I'm logging now |
| 18:23.11 | ahmed | hi all .. during build openmoko i faced some problems and i wish any help.. it is task 1371 .. i faced the following error : "copyfile: Failed to chown/chmod/unlink /home/ahmed/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/libogg-1.1-r3/install/libogg-doc/./usr/share/doc/libogg-1.1/framing.html [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/home/ahmed/moko/build/tmp/work/armv4t-angstrom-linux-gnueabi/li |
| 18:23.12 | ahmed | bogg-1.1-r3/install/libogg-doc/./usr/share/doc/libogg-1.1/framing.html' |
| 18:23.13 | ahmed | NOTE: Task failed: File population failed |
| 18:23.15 | ahmed | NOTE: package libogg-1.1-r3: task do_package: failed" |
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| 18:24.30 | ahmed | i think an error happens when he tries to copy some file from the tmp folder in build.. to another destination but it has not the right privilage |
| 18:24.52 | mohamed | XorA: could you give me an example of those packages that need machine specifics |
| 18:25.30 | CVirus | mohamed: I'm talking about #EgLUG .. the channel .. not the website |
| 18:25.30 | mohamed | CVirus: where to go after logging? |
| 18:25.31 | XorA | mohamed: find org.openembedded.dev -name "fic-gta01" -exec ls \{\}../ \; |
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| 18:25.42 | CVirus | mohamed: the irc channel man |
| 18:25.59 | XorA | mohamed: basically search for fic-gta01 in the repo |
| 18:27.04 | mohamed | CVirus: sorry I'll join now |
| 18:27.18 | mohamed | XorA: sorry, which repo? |
| 18:27.29 | XorA | mohamed: the OM repo |
| 18:27.43 | XorA | mohamed: where the .bb files are |
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| 18:28.30 | mohamed | XorA: you mean the local OM repo I see |
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| 18:29.23 | XorA | mohamed: find org.openembedded.dev -name "fic-gta01" -exec ls \{\}/../../ \; will actually work :-) |
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| 18:31.12 | mohamed | XorA: find org.openembedded.dev -name "fic-gta01" -exec ls \{\}../ \; it gives no such file or directory?? |
| 18:31.51 | XorA | replace org.openembedded.dev with whatever you called you local repo |
| 18:32.03 | TheAndichrist | openmoko websites down? |
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| 18:32.32 | CVirus | LOL @ the name |
| 18:32.58 | wurp2 | TheAndichrist: The wiki is slow, but up, for me |
| 18:33.15 | TheAndichrist | I can't connect to openmoko.com nor org. Tried from two separate remote locations |
| 18:33.30 | TheAndichrist | both in wisconsin, us however |
| 18:33.58 | mohamed | TheAndichrist: no it connects |
| 18:34.22 | mohamed | TheAndichrist: both are accessible |
| 18:34.28 | TheAndichrist | they're up now |
| 18:34.38 | TheAndichrist | Sorry to disturb ;) |
| 18:34.46 | mwester | TheAndichrist: move to Illinois, our internet works. |
| 18:34.52 | mwester | :p |
| 18:35.01 | summatusmentis | or MN, not having any trouble here |
| 18:35.37 | summatusmentis | MN is better than wisconson anyway... >_> |
| 18:35.44 | TheAndichrist | so i hear. |
| 18:36.17 | mwester | Depends on what's being discussed. Football teams? |
| 18:36.48 | TheAndichrist | music scene and places besides bars that are open after 9pm? haha |
| 18:37.17 | mwester | Crowds and traffic jams? |
| 18:37.17 | XorA | mwester: only until the egyptions get their own back for that US sub cutting their cables |
| 18:38.07 | mwester | XorA: It's the chinese -- they substituted some cheaper material when they manufactured the fiber in those cables. |
| 18:38.33 | XorA | mwester: makes me think of undersea repeaters powered by laptop batteries |
| 18:38.54 | mohamed | XorA: I'm Egyptian, I think the internet is improving step by step here |
| 18:39.44 | ahmed | XorA : i'm egyptian too , and i think that we dont depend on US to deliver us with cables |
| 18:39.48 | ahmed | am i right?? |
| 18:39.50 | mwester | The outages will certainly encourage more cables and alternate routing to be developed. Is anyone yet considering this an opportunity to run a competing cable across? |
| 18:40.18 | CVirus | mohamed: howa eh 7ewar el masreyeen el keteer today in here ! |
| 18:40.45 | XorA | ahmed: I more meant the US was cutting the cables for unknown reasons, tinfoil hats time |
| 18:40.45 | ahmed | CVirus : coz that egypt will play after 2 days |
| 18:41.01 | CVirus | hehe |
| 18:41.24 | mohamed | XorA: I've tried the command but the result was http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/55007/, please have a look |
| 18:41.41 | ahmed | XorA : actually US is cutting lot of things nowdays... it is the default |
| 18:41.57 | XorA | mohamed: use the second command I pasted, I made a typo in first one |
| 18:42.13 | XorA | mohamed: find org.openembedded.dev -name "fic-gta01" -exec ls \{\}/../../ \; |
| 18:43.31 | ahmed | ok guys .. i have pleasured so much being here |
| 18:43.37 | ahmed | but i have to go now |
| 18:43.43 | ahmed | enjoy your lives |
| 18:43.47 | ahmed | salamo 3likom |
| 18:43.50 | cesarb | The default PLL lock time seems to be about 5ms |
| 18:44.05 | cesarb | Meaning switching from one PLL setting to the other is quite expensive |
| 18:44.09 | mohamed | ahmed: "wa 3alikom alsallam" |
| 18:44.27 | cesarb | I have settings for 400MHz and 300MHz PLL... But perhaps it's better to use only one of them |
| 18:45.15 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: on gta01 you mean? |
| 18:45.28 | SpeedEvil | (pll lock time) |
| 18:49.27 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: gta02 |
| 18:49.42 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: gta01 has a default PLL lock time of about 0.3ms |
| 18:50.00 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: some 16 times (4 bits in the counter) less |
| 18:50.00 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 18:50.24 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: that's assuming my guess (that the lock time counter counts in XTAL clock cycles) is correct |
| 18:50.36 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 18:50.39 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: my guess does seem to make sense, at least... that's how I'd do it |
| 18:50.58 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: nah, I already made a cunning plan to test the gta02 cpufreq code without needing a gta02 |
| 18:51.03 | SpeedEvil | unless there is an onboard oscillator |
| 18:51.11 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: just abuse the fact that qemu's emulation of these registers is pretty weak |
| 18:51.45 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: and force my code to use the 2442 variant even on the 2410 (obviously, that can be done only in qemu...) |
| 18:52.50 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: well, there are only two frequencies going into the chip... the RTC (which we know is not connected) and the XTAL or EXTCLK (only one of them). Either way, the kernel assumes 12MHz in the gta01 and gta02 board codes. |
| 18:53.30 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: there'd be no need for an on-chip free-running oscilator. This is not a 8-bit toy, we always have the 12MHz clock. |
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| 19:06.32 | mudyc_ | mickey_away, emdete: i was looking the pygsmd and noticed that the prototype does not implement the proposed standard - why? |
| 19:08.41 | mohamed | XorA: do you know exactly where I could find machine.conf |
| 19:08.54 | XorA | conf/machine/*.conf |
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| 19:11.57 | emdete | mudyc_: because i started work with pygsmd before the proposal started. know we discuss the correct behavior with dbus and i will implement the api asap. the idea is that python is easy enough to use to change the api as often as needed |
| 19:14.33 | anrp | something that works now may (or may not?) be as valuable as something better that works in the future |
| 19:15.02 | emdete | anrp: and with python you are able to check different aproaches against usability also |
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| 19:16.14 | mudyc | emdete: ok, thanks. when i get free time during my daily basis i try to port the unit test code for the py-proto. and when it passes and standard stabilizes we may port the c implementation too. |
| 19:16.55 | emdete | mudyc: but be aware that the dbus api will change soon... |
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| 19:18.29 | mudyc | well but when the test passes then it's developers fault if test fails ;) |
| 19:18.48 | emdete | mudyc: not if i change the api by intention ;) |
| 19:19.52 | cesarb | emdete: it's still the developer's fault, since he should change the test at the same time ;-) |
| 19:20.09 | emdete | cesarb: shit, you got me ;) |
| 19:21.12 | mudyc | "commit message: api changed. test fails by intention" =) |
| 19:21.16 | Seb` | http://chezseb.net/openmoko/gps-6fev08.png |
| 19:21.18 | Seb` | :D :D |
| 19:21.20 | Seb` | -_-" |
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| 19:33.08 | cesarb | Seb`: you do realize that picture shows with a precision of a couple of meters where you are, right? |
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| 19:35.05 | Stephmw | cesarb: Shhh |
| 19:35.12 | Stephmw | cesarb: it's an exercise for wanabe stalkers |
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| 19:35.26 | Stephmw | cesarb: the location is actually an MoD firing range |
| 19:37.36 | Seb` | lol Stephmw |
| 19:38.02 | Stephmw | :) |
| 19:38.33 | Stephmw | cesarb: the bright ones will complain about the coords, the stupid ones will be weeded out of the gene pool, and the clever ones are outside Seb`'s house as we speak |
| 19:39.19 | Seb` | . |
| 19:39.20 | Seb` | euh |
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| 19:42.23 | Vegar | http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/02/06/1812247 - who will win the race? GTA02 or DNF? |
| 19:43.24 | summatusmentis | I hope GTA02 |
| 19:45.46 | wurp2 | Hmm, page won't load for me |
| 19:46.09 | wurp2 | I plugged the neos on /. earlier this morning (in the OLPC story) and got a +5 |
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| 19:47.07 | wurp2 | It will be a simultaneous release, DNF on GTA02 |
| 19:47.35 | Stephmw | cesarb: notice how Seb` has gone all quiet? |
| 19:48.37 | summatusmentis | wurp2: I guess I kind of expect the /. crowd to know about the neo, but maybe not |
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| 19:50.14 | Seb` | the gps coords : not precise... |
| 19:51.22 | wurp2 | summatusmentis: I have yet to see a story on it, which I think it certainly deserves |
| 19:51.42 | wurp2 | It might be better to wait for the FreeRunner release though, from FIC's point of view |
| 19:52.02 | summatusmentis | yeah, that'd make sense |
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| 19:54.29 | Seb` | chut Stephmw |
| 19:54.31 | Seb` | :/ |
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| 20:28.56 | cesarb | Urgh, the 2442 frequency switching routine is becoming twice as big and twice as ugly as the 2410 one |
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| 20:35.13 | cesarb | Created commit a20de7c: Experimental S3C2410A cpufreq driver (core) - GTA02 support |
| 20:35.14 | cesarb | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:36.14 | Vegar | heh |
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| 20:44.49 | dennda | cesarb: nice :) |
| 20:47.59 | dennda | let's just hope that significantly drops power-consumption :) |
| 20:48.14 | cesarb | dennda: it doesn't even compile yet |
| 20:48.43 | dennda | oh |
| 20:48.45 | wurp2 | well, a brick doesn't draw much power |
| 20:48.59 | wurp2 | you can only go downhill from here on the power consumption front |
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| 20:51.41 | smhar | I got so fed-up by my nokia 9300i more every day. It seems that Neo will not ship before April, if not after. I will have to buy something till then |
| 20:52.52 | dennda | i can't even write an sms on my nokia 3310 from stoneage... |
| 20:52.54 | wurp2 | battery life unacceptable on the 1973? |
| 20:53.12 | dennda | waiting for this thing to come out |
| 20:54.05 | pepperjack | smhar: definately but 2nd quarter 2009 |
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| 20:55.10 | ajbrun | tbh, i'd hope for 2nd quarter 2008 myself |
| 20:55.51 | smhar | pepperjack, it is something that is worth waiting for, for sure. |
| 20:56.48 | smhar | pepperjack, I've had it with this so called, business model that does not even have a vibrating mode! it is time for an alternative for now |
| 20:57.02 | smhar | pepperjack, and I hope a short lived one :-) |
| 20:58.44 | dennda | well if the hardware is ready, give it to me ;) I can update the software, but not the hardware :) |
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| 20:59.55 | Moniker42 | hey, how do i go about updating the gta01 and putting new software on it? |
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| 21:00.25 | ajbrun | there's probably a tutorial thingey on the wiki |
| 21:00.35 | Moniker42 | yea, had a look... can't find anything like that =\ |
| 21:01.26 | mwester | Moniker42: do you mean to update everything, or add a new package? |
| 21:01.34 | Moniker42 | update everything |
| 21:01.34 | ajbrun | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973 |
| 21:01.39 | ajbrun | i'd maybe start there? |
| 21:01.41 | Moniker42 | then i'd like to try adding new packages and such |
| 21:01.52 | Moniker42 | k.. |
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| 21:30.10 | Moniker42 | hey, i'm trying to SSH into the neo through USB, but i get the following error |
| 21:30.10 | Moniker42 | ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 21:30.18 | Moniker42 | arg, wrong paste. |
| 21:30.59 | Moniker42 | http://rafb.net/p/9pEPdO66.html |
| 21:32.16 | KrisAbsinthe | you need root access |
| 21:32.51 | wurp2 | i.e. sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 21:33.06 | KrisAbsinthe | bbl |
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| 21:34.22 | Moniker42 | i tried that, slightly different error |
| 21:34.23 | Moniker42 | SIOCSIFADDR: No such device |
| 21:34.23 | Moniker42 | usb0: ERROR while getting interface flags: No such device |
| 21:34.23 | Moniker42 | SIOCSIFNETMASK: No such device |
| 21:35.05 | Moniker42 | or is "usb0" only the default? |
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| 21:36.01 | _diego_ | do u have usbnet compiled in kernel? |
| 21:37.04 | _diego_ | try to unplug and then plug again neo, and see if your kernel recognize it |
| 21:37.24 | _diego_ | you should see something like this, using dmesg: |
| 21:37.28 | _diego_ | usb0: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:10.2-2 |
| 21:41.17 | Moniker42 | hmm, and it works |
| 21:41.34 | Moniker42 | maybe the kernel just doesn't like it being there at startup |
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| 21:45.20 | Moniker42 | thanks _diego_ :) |
| 21:45.53 | geekburg | Hey, does anybody have any information on obtaining the Accton WiFi modules used in the GTA02 hardware? |
| 21:46.24 | _diego_ | Moniker42, you are welcome :) |
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| 21:53.05 | Moniker42 | i am now getting "From 192.168.0.2 icmp_seq=1 Destination Host Unreachable |
| 21:54.40 | _diego_ | route output? |
| 21:55.04 | Vegar | are there any autotools-like tools that are easy to use? |
| 21:55.20 | Moniker42 | _diego_: PING 192.168.0.202 (192.168.0.202) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 21:55.32 | Moniker42 | or did you mean a traceroute? |
| 21:55.46 | _diego_ | no, i mean: |
| 21:55.50 | _diego_ | route -n |
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| 21:56.37 | Moniker42 | _diego_: http://rafb.net/p/HWPglZ72.html |
| 21:56.56 | Moniker42 | ip conflict? |
| 21:58.06 | _diego_ | yes |
| 21:58.21 | _diego_ | you should use a different ip numbers for usb0 |
| 21:58.46 | _diego_ | or eth0 |
| 21:58.57 | Moniker42 | eth0 is the router come to think of it |
| 21:59.10 | Moniker42 | and it's rather tempramental, i'd rather go without openmoko updates than internet :) |
| 21:59.16 | _diego_ | eth0 is your ethernet port |
| 21:59.45 | _diego_ | or you can do this way |
| 22:00.06 | _diego_ | (i haven't tried myself, but should work) |
| 22:00.31 | _diego_ | ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.128 |
| 22:00.47 | _diego_ | ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.128 |
| 22:01.17 | _diego_ | so, 192.168.0.0 - 192.168.0.127 are on eth0 |
| 22:01.20 | Moniker42 | and now we have a successful ping! :) |
| 22:01.34 | _diego_ | and 192.168.0.128 - 255 are on usb0 |
| 22:01.36 | _diego_ | good |
| 22:02.30 | Moniker42 | and now we have shell access to the phone \o/ |
| 22:03.12 | Moniker42 | haha, i never thought i'd be able to open up a secure shell to my mobile phone :) |
| 22:08.35 | wurp2 | Moniker42: what I'm waiting for is ssh access to my contact lenses :-) |
| 22:08.51 | _diego_ | of course you can read some more advices here: |
| 22:08.54 | _diego_ | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 22:11.15 | SpeedEvil | ssh to my underpants! |
| 22:11.39 | wurp2 | sounds distracting |
| 22:12.10 | ahven | ipv6 to any electrical device sounds more interesting :) |
| 22:12.24 | summatusmentis | any electrical device? |
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| 22:12.26 | summatusmentis | how? |
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| 22:12.57 | SpeedEvil | Via the power of hyperbole. |
| 22:13.12 | ahven | browse through the catalogues, they were there over 4 years ago :P |
| 22:13.15 | summatusmentis | ah, I assume he'd read something I missed |
| 22:13.40 | ahven | pingable mostly, not ssh :) |
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| 22:14.24 | Moniker42 | wget: downloads.openmoko.org: Host name lookup failure |
| 22:14.28 | Moniker42 | :( |
| 22:15.10 | summatusmentis | uh oh... :-/ |
| 22:15.16 | wurp2 | Moniker42: I have a lot of trouble with name resolution |
| 22:15.18 | summatusmentis | i'm in the middle of building qemu1973 |
| 22:15.29 | cesarb | random link to the middle of another lkml GPL flamewer: http://lkml.org/lkml/2008/2/6/293 |
| 22:15.36 | cesarb | s/flamewer/flamewar/ |
| 22:15.42 | _diego_ | Moniker42: read the wiki :) |
| 22:15.56 | wurp2 | Someone recommended installing dnsmasq |
| 22:16.06 | wurp2 | And of course you have to update /etc/resolv.conf |
| 22:16.14 | Moniker42 | _diego_: note long delays between my asking questions, i have been searching the wiki but apparently i'm not very good at it ;) |
| 22:16.33 | _diego_ | (i've installed bind, but probably dnsproxy or dnsmask are fine :) ) |
| 22:16.50 | wurp2 | _diego_: I'm using bind on my main machine, and I still have intermittent dns problesm |
| 22:16.58 | wurp2 | s/problesm/problems/ |
| 22:17.17 | wurp2 | i.e. name resolution will fail, but ssh/ping/whatever by ip works fine |
| 22:17.24 | wurp2 | then 20 minutes later, name resolution is back |
| 22:17.27 | wurp2 | all on the neo side |
| 22:17.32 | wurp2 | with me doing nothing between times |
| 22:17.58 | wurp2 | I finally put /etc/hosts entries on the neo for my ipkg repositories :-( |
| 22:19.35 | Moniker42 | and how do i edit /etc/ipkg/base-feed.conf? nano, pico and the like don't seem to be installed... |
| 22:20.01 | _diego_ | Moniker42: try vi O:-) |
| 22:21.35 | _diego_ | I know that is quite difficult at the beginning... but it's the only editors that are you sure too always find on a unix machine |
| 22:22.12 | inwoo | all you need to know is, i -insert mode, :wq - writequit... |
| 22:22.20 | inwoo | oh and esc |
| 22:22.29 | kdean06 | ipkg update; ipkg install nano |
| 22:22.30 | Moniker42 | the delete key changes the case of a character apparently |
| 22:22.47 | wurp2 | somehow delete is mapped to ~ for you, then |
| 22:22.54 | wurp2 | try backspace |
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| 22:23.12 | Moniker42 | backspace moves the write position to the left, but doesn't delete anything |
| 22:23.20 | wurp2 | kdean06: I figured you for a vi guy |
| 22:23.32 | wurp2 | Moniker42: hmm, try hitting esc again |
| 22:23.37 | kdean06 | Vi Vi Vi: The Editor of the Beast ;) |
| 22:23.40 | wurp2 | I'll bet it deleted, but didn't repaint properly |
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| 22:24.01 | Moniker42 | kdean06: it's ipkg i'm trying to get working, though :P |
| 22:24.11 | kdean06 | How did you break it? |
| 22:24.15 | CM | It's the editor most people at lca was using, according to the graphs ;) |
| 22:24.16 | Moniker42 | ESC does the same as DEL |
| 22:24.45 | kdean06 | I've got nothing against Vi, really, except that it's not "natural" to me and I've never used a system I didn't have root on, so... |
| 22:24.49 | CM | Third graph: http://www.cafuego.net/2008/02/06/lca-stat-wars |
| 22:25.02 | Moniker42 | well, the screen flashes - but the cursor position and the case doesn't change |
| 22:25.13 | Moniker42 | brb |
| 22:25.14 | wurp2 | I use vi all the time. It is really irritating that '.' marking a position doesn't work |
| 22:25.33 | wurp2 | s/'.' m/'.' and m/ |
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| 22:25.55 | wurp2 | Moniker42: sorry, esc was just to make it repaint after the backspaces |
| 22:25.58 | wurp2 | It won't delete |
| 22:26.07 | Moniker42 | ah |
| 22:26.12 | _diego_ | goodnight |
| 22:26.17 | wurp2 | You can definitely delete with esc, then x, then i ;-) |
| 22:26.17 | mwester | ipkg install nano -- and all will be well with the world. |
| 22:26.31 | Moniker42 | x deletes |
| 22:26.39 | Moniker42 | why does x delete? what if i want to write "x"?! |
| 22:26.56 | mwester | Welcome to primitive editors. It's a mode. |
| 22:26.59 | wurp2 | Moniker42: The original message about VI is the one you missed |
| 22:27.04 | inwoo | hehehe |
| 22:27.05 | wurp2 | bah on your primitive |
| 22:27.08 | _diego_ | mwester: he need editors to configure networking, so no ipkg install ... |
| 22:27.22 | mwester | We need to fix that in the distro ;) |
| 22:27.25 | wurp2 | I can out-edit anyone on a primitive editor like nano on vi |
| 22:27.31 | Moniker42 | what's wrong with nano? :) |
| 22:27.41 | wurp2 | Moniker42: nuttin |
| 22:27.46 | wurp2 | If you don't know how to use vi ;-) |
| 22:27.46 | Moniker42 | (wasn't in response to wurp2 there) |
| 22:27.47 | inwoo | Moniker42: http://www.apmaths.uwo.ca/~xli/vim/vim_tutorial.html |
| 22:27.52 | Moniker42 | what i mean is, as oppose to vi |
| 22:27.53 | _diego_ | what's wrong with joe? |
| 22:28.01 | _diego_ | =p |
| 22:28.08 | zash | whats wrong with butterflies? |
| 22:28.11 | wurp2 | Anyway, Moniker42, vi starts off in command mode |
| 22:28.22 | wurp2 | as a non-vi user you'll want to hit 'i' right away |
| 22:28.37 | wurp2 | then just edit, with backspace, delete, arrows, etc. |
| 22:28.45 | Moniker42 | k, so how do i save the file? |
| 22:28.49 | wurp2 | then hit esc, ':', 'w', 'q' when done |
| 22:29.02 | wurp2 | esc :wq |
| 22:29.05 | wurp2 | :-) |
| 22:29.07 | Moniker42 | aha |
| 22:29.26 | Moniker42 | if you put emacs in the ipkg repos i'm buying an iphone |
| 22:29.37 | wurp2 | Isn't it already? ;-) |
| 22:29.41 | zedstar | u cud just use echo and redirect to the file ;) |
| 22:29.56 | wurp2 | zedstar: good point |
| 22:30.05 | wurp2 | or 'cat > file' then type |
| 22:30.11 | wurp2 | Just don't make any mistakes |
| 22:30.13 | Moniker42 | errr.. apple.com/uk even - seeing as the apple.co.uk domain is owned by a wee arts shop that has been holding apple to ransom for years now |
| 22:30.17 | wurp2 | and ctrl-d to 'save' |
| 22:30.47 | Moniker42 | i'm still gettin wget: buildhost.openmoko.org: Host name lookup failure :( |
| 22:31.11 | wurp2 | Moniker42: For a quick fix, just ping it on your main machine and add a /etc/hosts entry |
| 22:31.37 | Moniker42 | does that mean i have to use vi again? ;) |
| 22:31.47 | wurp2 | echo "1.1.1.1 buildhost.openmoko.org" >> /etc/hosts |
| 22:31.54 | wurp2 | only use the right IP :-) |
| 22:32.20 | Moniker42 | add an /etc/hosts entry to the moko or my desktop? |
| 22:32.20 | wurp2 | tmtowthi |
| 22:32.24 | wurp2 | moko |
| 22:32.28 | summatusmentis | freerunner has 256Mb of storage? plus an micro sd card slot? |
| 22:32.44 | wurp2 | summatusmentis: yeah |
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| 22:32.58 | summatusmentis | wurp2: alright, thanks |
| 22:33.17 | wurp2 | summatusmentis: you're welcome |
| 22:33.48 | summatusmentis | I want a freerunner! Ideally there'd be a way to put the freerunner on a cdma network |
| 22:34.38 | Moniker42 | ideally you would've been able to buy one six months ago! ;) |
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| 22:35.08 | wurp2 | yeah, I anxiously awaited the FR from Sept until Jan |
| 22:35.17 | wurp2 | Then gave up & bought a gta01 |
| 22:35.17 | mjr | ideally cdma would be a bad dream and you could put it on umts which would cover the cdma-afflicted territories as well |
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| 22:37.57 | Moniker42 | i've been anxiously awaiting it since at least sep/oct, maybe longer...? |
| 22:38.02 | summatusmentis | mjr: well, if gsm covered where I lie 99% of the year, I'd probably buy one |
| 22:38.04 | Stephmw | what's the current name for 'evas'? |
| 22:38.23 | Moniker42 | wurp2, i think 1973 was the original launch date |
| 22:38.31 | wurp2 | ;-) |
| 22:39.27 | Moniker42 | wurp2, could you walk me through adding an /etc/hosts entry? :) |
| 22:39.38 | Moniker42 | or shove me in the right direction |
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| 22:44.22 | wurp2 | Did you see the echo command I sent? |
| 22:45.02 | Moniker42 | yea |
| 22:45.30 | wurp2 | echo "78.47.190.211 buildhost.openmoko.org" >> /etc/hosts |
| 22:45.38 | wurp2 | I just got the right IP |
| 22:45.48 | Moniker42 | oh |
| 22:45.53 | wurp2 | If you cut-n-paste that exact echo message to execute on the moko that should work |
| 22:46.21 | wurp2 | Except that if you sent the one I gave you before with the dummy IP, we'll need to delete that |
| 22:46.33 | wurp2 | Which is easy in vi; I can step you through |
| 22:46.38 | Moniker42 | nah i didn't run that thanks |
| 22:46.43 | wurp2 | ah, good |
| 22:47.22 | Moniker42 | hmm, does ipkg update normally take quite a while? |
| 22:47.28 | wurp2 | yeah |
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| 22:47.38 | wurp2 | each step shouldn't take so long, though |
| 22:47.45 | wurp2 | and, btw, expect it to fail the 1st time |
| 22:47.55 | wurp2 | because there's another hostname we'll have to add to /etc/hosts |
| 22:48.03 | wurp2 | but I don't remember what it is :-) |
| 22:48.09 | Moniker42 | oh |
| 22:48.24 | wurp2 | So we'll do that echo again and then run one more time, then it should work |
| 22:48.24 | Moniker42 | that would be why i was staring at a blinking cursor for the last thirty seconds, then :) |
| 22:48.29 | wurp2 | heh |
| 22:48.37 | wurp2 | Look back in the messages and find the hostname |
| 22:48.42 | wurp2 | then ping it |
| 22:48.44 | wurp2 | then |
| 22:49.00 | wurp2 | echo "<ip for hostname from ping> <hostname>" >> /etc/hosts |
| 22:49.16 | wurp2 | (the number of spaces between ip & hostname doesn't matter) |
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| 22:50.04 | Moniker42 | root@fic-gta01:~$ ping http://buildhost.openmoko.org/ |
| 22:50.04 | Moniker42 | ping: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/: Host name lookup failure |
| 22:50.11 | Moniker42 | =\ |
| 22:50.16 | Moniker42 | same for the full url |
| 22:50.43 | inwoo | hrm... is your default route set? |
| 22:50.54 | wurp2 | Drop the http:// |
| 22:50.56 | cesarb | Moniker42: you can't ping a URL |
| 22:50.59 | wurp2 | and the trailing / |
| 22:51.18 | wurp2 | But wait... |
| 22:51.24 | wurp2 | That shouldn't be the error host |
| 22:51.29 | wurp2 | it should be www.something |
| 22:51.50 | wurp2 | We just "fixed" the host name lookup for buildhost |
| 22:54.19 | Moniker42 | hmmm |
| 22:54.36 | Moniker42 | obviously i've done something silly, because i've just added the same entry again |
| 22:54.56 | wurp2 | yeah |
| 22:55.06 | wurp2 | That's why I was saying that the hostname should start with www. |
| 22:55.12 | wurp2 | the extra entry won't hurt anything |
| 22:55.40 | wurp2 | The error message on ipkg update shoulda been something like 'hostname lookup failed for www.blah-something.com" |
| 22:55.52 | Moniker42 | yup |
| 22:56.25 | roh | sorry, thats wrong. there is no www in front of the buildhost and there does not need to be. |
| 22:56.43 | roh | www. is just a string as buildhost. is. |
| 22:57.07 | Moniker42 | cat /etc/hosts: |
| 22:57.08 | Moniker42 | 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost |
| 22:57.09 | Moniker42 | 78.47.190.211 buildhost.openmoko.org |
| 22:57.09 | Moniker42 | 78.47.190.211 buildhost.openmoko.org |
| 22:57.09 | Moniker42 | 78.47.190.211 www.buildhost.openmoko.org |
| 22:57.46 | roh | there is no host named www.buildhost.openmoko.org at all. |
| 22:57.47 | wurp2 | I'm not saying he should put in www.buildhost |
| 22:58.00 | wurp2 | There is a host, which is used by ipkg update, which starts with www |
| 22:58.02 | roh | btw .. dns works finde here |
| 22:58.10 | wurp2 | and that should be where his problem is |
| 22:58.53 | Moniker42 | wurp2, there are no WWWs here... |
| 22:58.55 | Moniker42 | root@fic-gta01:~$ ipkg update |
| 22:58.55 | Moniker42 | Downloading http://buildhost.openmoko.org/OM2007.2/tmp/deploy/glibc/ipk/all//Packages.gz |
| 22:59.12 | wurp2 | What do you see as the last msg before the blinking cursor? |
| 22:59.21 | Moniker42 | that's it |
| 22:59.23 | wurp2 | Or is it just stuck there |
| 22:59.24 | wurp2 | O |
| 22:59.27 | wurp2 | ctrl-c |
| 22:59.31 | wurp2 | you haven't gotten that far :-) |
| 22:59.45 | wurp2 | and try to 'ping buildhost.openmoko.org' on the neo |
| 22:59.45 | Moniker42 | yea, i press that half a dozen times to get back to the CLI |
| 22:59.49 | wurp2 | I'm betting it failed |
| 22:59.54 | wurp2 | er, it fails |
| 23:00.08 | wurp2 | and if it does, that means routing isn't set up on your desktop |
| 23:00.17 | wurp2 | the instructions for that are on the getting started page, I think |
| 23:00.21 | wurp2 | if not, on the usb page |
| 23:00.28 | wurp2 | I'm sorry but I dunno those off the top of my head |
| 23:00.53 | Moniker42 | yea, hostname lookup failure |
| 23:01.21 | wurp2 | uh, that's weird |
| 23:01.31 | wurp2 | It should fail to ping, but it shouldn't be lookup failure |
| 23:01.42 | wurp2 | since that guy's in /etc/hosts |
| 23:01.42 | Moniker42 | yea... |
| 23:02.11 | Moniker42 | if i disconnect the usb cable the ping just fails |
| 23:02.43 | Moniker42 | so it's a routing problem in the desktop then? |
| 23:03.12 | wurp2 | Did you go through http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking |
| 23:03.13 | wurp2 | ? |
| 23:03.22 | wurp2 | Nah, I think I was wrong about that |
| 23:03.30 | wurp2 | I think you just didn't set the gateway |
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| 23:03.56 | zem_ | hi |
| 23:04.01 | wurp2 | I hope you're not typing this stuff using the touchscreen |
| 23:04.08 | inwoo | hehe |
| 23:04.09 | wurp2 | You know you can ssh in to do all of it |
| 23:04.46 | Moniker42 | wurp2, i'll mess around with this a bit and try some stuff on the usb networking page and come back crying in a few minutes when it doesn't work |
| 23:05.16 | Moniker42 | wurp2, yea i'm doing it all through ssh apart from that last part |
| 23:05.37 | wurp2 | excellent |
| 23:05.44 | wurp2 | OK, I'm bailing in about 30 min |
| 23:05.53 | wurp2 | but I think most ppl here can help with this stuff |
| 23:06.07 | wurp2 | I'm just always in verbose mode |
| 23:08.47 | wurp2 | There are 2 things, the gateway entry on the neo and the "route add" command on the desktop, that have to happen before you can see the internet from your neo |
| 23:09.01 | wurp2 | You can see both of 'em in the USB_Networking page |
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| 23:21.25 | wurp2 | Later all |
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| 23:29.53 | prpplague | anyone got the jtag dev board for the gta-01? |
| 23:30.37 | Moniker42 | this section here |
| 23:30.38 | Moniker42 | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/USB_Networking#Ubuntu_.28Tested_with_Feisty_and_Gutsy.29 |
| 23:30.50 | Moniker42 | am i editing the /etc/network/interfaces of the neo or the desktop? |
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| 23:31.52 | inwoo | desktop |
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| 23:32.19 | inwoo | but i was never able to get auto usb networking to work... so ymmv |
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