| 00:01.01 | balrog-kun | same here, now that i have FIC batteries |
| 00:01.31 | balrog-kun | when I had a Nokia one only, i was plugging it in, doing some additional acrobatics and it was ready for the momrning or not |
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| 00:05.13 | gamin | balrog-kun: are the FIC batteries anywhere publicly available? |
| 00:05.44 | Moniker42 | IT'S BOOTING! :D |
| 00:05.52 | raynet | w00t |
| 00:06.10 | Moniker42 | i hope it doesn't run out of charge before the OS starts up :) |
| 00:06.57 | cesarb | Moniker42: by that time it's already charging |
| 00:07.40 | raynet | doesn't the bootloader to put it in full charging mode (almost all the time atleast :) |
| 00:08.31 | balrog-kun | gamin: you get two when you buy a phone afaik, and perhaps they can be bought apart from the web shop but i'm not sure |
| 00:08.49 | raynet | balrog-kun: i only got one |
| 00:08.59 | gamin | with the base kit you only get one |
| 00:09.03 | balrog-kun | raynet: oops, then you get only one |
| 00:09.04 | raynet | ahaa |
| 00:09.26 | gamin | I'd buy five :) |
| 00:09.55 | gamin | is gta02 working well? |
| 00:10.00 | Moniker42 | eek, the os is a bit laggy isn't it? |
| 00:10.57 | balrog-kun | gamin: i only know u-boot works and the sdio wifi is accessible through hacking u-boot, i didn't have time to test anything else |
| 00:11.07 | balrog-kun | haven't booted linux a single time yet |
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| 00:27.56 | Moniker42 | how likely is the march release date? |
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| 00:31.48 | mwester | Moniker42: about as likely as your taxes going down. |
| 00:32.37 | Moniker42 | well, considering that i live in the UK... |
| 00:33.28 | Moniker42 | and the tories might well be elected at the next election in a couple of years |
| 00:33.47 | Moniker42 | and, also, i'm 18 without a job and don't pay taxes anyway |
| 00:33.55 | Moniker42 | so you're saying the march date is confirmed? :) |
| 00:35.00 | cesarb | Moniker42: if you don't pay taxes, there's no way your taxes are going down |
| 00:35.08 | Moniker42 | precisely :P |
| 00:36.23 | ThePizzaKing | Awesome, both parties who were running for parliament last year promised huge tax cuts over the next few years |
| 00:36.33 | ThePizzaKing | March it is then ;) |
| 00:36.45 | zash_ | sweet |
| 00:37.00 | balrog-kun | i wish i was that optimistic (about the March release and about taxes) |
| 00:37.17 | Moniker42 | <ThePizzaKing> Awesome, both parties who were running for parliament last year promised huge tax cuts over the next few years |
| 00:37.24 | Moniker42 | i wish i still retained such a naive view of politics :) |
| 00:37.32 | ThePizzaKing | hehehe |
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| 00:37.36 | Moniker42 | that line is bash.org worth |
| 00:37.38 | Moniker42 | *worthy |
| 00:38.12 | ThePizzaKing | Yeah, chances are Rudd's going to go 'Hey, where did that huge surplus go? No tax cuts for you!' |
| 00:38.28 | ThePizzaKing | And everyone will be like 'Hmm, eh' |
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| 01:13.27 | Moniker42 | does python work on the neo? |
| 01:14.52 | mboldisc | Moniker42: I was told a month ago that some apps were being written in python. |
| 01:15.16 | mboldisc | I think I was told most apps were being written in C though. |
| 01:15.34 | Moniker42 | i mean a python interpreter |
| 01:15.41 | Moniker42 | so i can show off and do python on my phone in cs lectures on wednesday |
| 01:15.49 | mboldisc | :) |
| 01:16.18 | Moniker42 | i just hope no-one finds out that i can't *phone* on my phone! :) |
| 01:16.22 | Tronic | Python on PC at least is way too slow for almost everything, so I wonder how it could work on a mobile phone. |
| 01:16.40 | Tronic | (20 times slower than C++) |
| 01:17.16 | Moniker42 | hmm... the home screen keeps crashing |
| 01:17.33 | Moniker42 | is the GTA01 software updated regularly? i'm not sure when this phone was last updated, my friend lent it to me for a few weeks... |
| 01:17.45 | mboldisc | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Python |
| 01:18.18 | mboldisc | I think it would work fine for small apps. |
| 01:18.49 | balrog-kun | Moniker42: yes, there are changes and new builds done every day |
| 01:25.51 | KrisAbsinthe_ | Moniker42: Try one of the Daily unstable builds, i find they are better, when they work lol. They *usualy* have working SMS too |
| 01:26.02 | Moniker42 | ooh SMS |
| 01:31.23 | KrisAbsinthe_ | I have a build from 1/27 that is very stable and i like some of the new features |
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| 01:38.48 | Moniker42 | someone lent me their neo '73, but it doesn't have the manual or instructions which i presume were included with the box |
| 01:38.54 | Moniker42 | are they available online? |
| 01:39.43 | cesarb | Moniker42: it isn't in the box |
| 01:39.44 | KrisAbsinthe_ | there is no manual yet......... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Getting_Started_with_your_Neo1973 is the closest thing |
| 01:40.21 | cesarb | Moniker42: the only thing you get in the box is a "coaster" with a link to wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/SH1 (in my case, yours can vary) |
| 01:40.49 | Moniker42 | you've got to love instructions that include things like "Cut a strip of double-sided PCB, the thinner the better (or glue two strips of single-sided PCB back-to-back). The width of this strip should be equal to the width of one battery contact. Solder wires to both sides. Polish the copper with steel wool or very fine sandpaper..." |
| 01:41.18 | Moniker42 | i'm betting most of the iPhone FAQs lead to sending it back to apple and waiting 4-6 weeks |
| 01:41.43 | KrisAbsinthe_ | lol, thats why I love this phone,. aahit this is the only company i have ever backed |
| 01:42.16 | Moniker42 | i love it, and it doesn't even do phone calls! |
| 01:43.35 | Moniker42 | hmm... he didn't give me the stylus =( |
| 01:43.41 | Moniker42 | which looks even cooler than the phone itself |
| 01:44.27 | cesarb | Moniker42: that stylus is waaay overdone |
| 01:44.30 | KrisAbsinthe_ | I can call....... when im not home |
| 01:44.45 | Moniker42 | does the stylus have bluetooth? |
| 01:44.50 | cesarb | Moniker42: I pretend to buy a metal palm stylus when I start using the neo as my main phone |
| 01:44.54 | KrisAbsinthe_ | cesarb: I agree, i would have liked somthing to fit in the phone, my son killed the one that came with it |
| 01:44.56 | Moniker42 | it would be nice to be alerted of SMS messages with a blinking light on the stylus |
| 01:45.13 | cesarb | Moniker42: instead of such a combo stylus/pen/laser-pointer/lantern |
| 01:45.50 | KrisAbsinthe_ | welp here goes a unstable from the 31st lol |
| 01:55.18 | KrisAbsinthe_ | Moniker42: If your having problems calling out , be sure you dont live in a GSM 850 area |
| 01:55.33 | Moniker42 | GSM 850? |
| 01:56.14 | KrisAbsinthe_ | Your good then GSM 850 is north america's problem lol |
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| 01:56.39 | KrisAbsinthe_ | tested latest unstable image it works |
| 01:59.50 | Moniker42 | ah |
| 02:00.03 | Moniker42 | so how do i update and get some SMS going? =] |
| 02:01.12 | KrisAbsinthe_ | wiki search: repositories and dfu-util |
| 02:01.27 | KrisAbsinthe_ | get the latest unstable uImage and rootfs |
| 02:02.48 | Moniker42 | woot, i won a game of "untangle" :) |
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| 02:56.25 | HOTR | Question about timezones on the neo. Is there some way that I can set one that will get used? (Right now I'm running UTC == local time, and I'm not in UTC) |
| 02:57.20 | Kero | think I copied some file from my desktop :) It works, too. |
| 02:58.00 | Kero | s'pose there should be a package. tho... tzdata? |
| 02:58.02 | HOTR | There are files in /usr/share (I think) ... I linked to it from that ... ln -s myzone /etc/localtime |
| 02:58.56 | HOTR | Unless the share files are corrupt :S |
| 02:59.36 | Kero | lemme grab my Neo, need to boot it anyway. |
| 03:00.01 | HOTR | Kero: There isn't any other config needed, like rc file settings or whatnot? |
| 03:00.30 | HOTR | kk |
| 03:00.36 | balrog-kun | you can copy the single file instead of making a symlink |
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| 03:02.02 | HOTR | I rebooted with the symlink in place, my "date" command still emits UTC |
| 03:02.57 | HOTR | balrog-kun: I like the symlink, since it tells you exactly which TZ you are pointing at by just listing the file. If it needs to be the actual file or a hardlink, that is cool too |
| 03:03.08 | Kero | mm, I mostly notice the big clock being correct... |
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| 03:04.02 | Kero | splendid. stuffed in my european SIM, 1) it chokes on the PIn, 2) the clock is wrong |
| 03:04.36 | mmontour | Also check /etc/profile - it may set the TZ environment variable |
| 03:04.55 | HOTR | Kero: The wonderful world of bleeding edge :) |
| 03:05.04 | Kero | it's an image from 2007... |
| 03:05.27 | Kero | localtime -> /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/New_York |
| 03:05.44 | HOTR | Hmmm. |
| 03:05.51 | HOTR | I'm using an image from Jan |
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| 03:06.05 | balrog-kun | HOTR: ok, i just meant that you don't need the whole share/zoneinfo directory and all its files, just a single file |
| 03:06.09 | Kero | and `date` resp `TZ=UTC date` are nicely 5 hours apoart |
| 03:06.12 | mohamed | Hi, all |
| 03:06.24 | HOTR | mmontour: if [ ! -e /etc/localtime <-- seems to think if it's there, it should use it |
| 03:07.01 | Kero | there's a whole bunch of tzdata-* packages :) |
| 03:07.13 | balrog-kun | i guess 2007 images were not prepared for y2k8 problem |
| 03:07.28 | mmontour | I just leave mine in UTC |
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| 03:10.27 | Kero | it lost nearly 24 hours, which corresponds with the time I went to bed, yesterday. |
| 03:11.14 | mohamed | I've just built openmoko and was trying to flash qemu but the following error arises http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54805/ any help? |
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| 03:15.35 | HOTR | Kero: Time travel, eh? If you can get that to happen reliably, you might have something interesting ;) |
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| 03:17.51 | HOTR | mmontour: Up until now, I have. But it would be nice to have Unix work in the Unix way. |
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| 03:19.36 | KrisAbsinthe_ | we need the ability to set by a time server |
| 03:20.32 | Kero | install ntpd? |
| 03:20.43 | HOTR | KrisAbsinthe_: Why? We have a source that Timeservers sync to onboard. :) |
| 03:20.53 | mmontour | ntp/ntpdate works on the neo. Eventually we should be able to get time from the GPS |
| 03:22.12 | mmontour | BTW I just tried creating an /etc/localtime symlink and it worked for me |
| 03:22.24 | mohamed | does any one know how to create bad block table for qemu? |
| 03:24.41 | KrisAbsinthe_ | HOTR: is that implemented? cause it is not febuary 2nd or 19:42 |
| 03:26.28 | HOTR | mmontour: You just create the symlink and "date" reports time in your TZ? |
| 03:27.33 | HOTR | KrisAbsinthe_: I'm not sure if it's been developed yet. But if it hasn't, it's not a hard thing to do. Once I get my TZ working, I can hack up a script to do it in a couple minutes, and I'll write some C to do it a bit later, if you want :) |
| 03:27.35 | mmontour | I logged out and logged in again |
| 03:28.02 | HOTR | I closed my term session and reopened. Meh, I'll try rebooting. |
| 03:28.23 | Kero | OK, not optimal. But I can receive SMS from my Dutch bank here. |
| 03:28.36 | KrisAbsinthe_ | HOTR: Thats not a bad idea |
| 03:28.53 | Kero | low level AT command; SMS is on the SIM but I do not think the message appl of that 2007 image has any clue about them. |
| 03:29.23 | KrisAbsinthe_ | I can use SMS from the 1/27/08 image from GUI |
| 03:29.50 | Kero | mohamed: you might retry that flashing part a few times. There is some timing crap involved, afaik. I'm slightly surprised it's not fixed, tho... |
| 03:31.39 | mohamed | Kero: you mean that I type make flash-qemu-local many times until it works? |
| 03:33.54 | HOTR | ooooooh |
| 03:34.33 | HOTR | joy, even |
| 03:34.50 | HOTR | I did a hardlink. I would guess a symlink should work too. |
| 03:34.52 | HOTR | :) |
| 03:35.38 | HOTR | mmontour: Cycling the GUI should work, but I rebooted, since I don't know how to cycle the gui w/o rebooting |
| 03:35.57 | HOTR | KrisAbsinthe_: Ok, want that script? |
| 03:36.24 | KrisAbsinthe_ | yeah |
| 03:36.51 | mmontour | /etc/init.d/xserver-nodm restart will restart the GUI (works if you're logged in over ssh; I don't know what it would do from the GUI terminal) |
| 03:37.13 | Kero | mohamed: a few times. otherwise you get crazy. I got crazy. Haven't used qemu in a while. |
| 03:37.42 | HOTR | The one caveat is that I have no idea about the power issues once GPS has gone active. I tend to reboot to make sure GPS is reset, but I'm not even sure if that is enough. |
| 03:38.08 | mohamed | Kero: I did so (7 times till now) but nothing changes? |
| 03:38.22 | mohamed | Kero: Do I have to give up? |
| 03:38.39 | HOTR | mmontour: probably would kill your term session. If it's a script, unless it does something fancy, you'd need to nohup it, or otherwise it'll die in the middle when X kills the term |
| 03:39.13 | balrog-kun | mohamed: u-boot normally creates the bad block table |
| 03:39.16 | HOTR | KrisAbsinthe_: Ok, I'm assuming you have gllin/gpsd working and a fairly recent version of the OS stuff? |
| 03:39.18 | balrog-kun | mohamed: what's the problem? |
| 03:39.31 | KrisAbsinthe_ | ln /tmp/Maps/OSM > /media/card will that work? trying to pull data from and to /media/card but have no way to edit the Cache DIR |
| 03:39.57 | KrisAbsinthe_ | yes i have working GPS with tangoGPS |
| 03:40.25 | HOTR | it would have to be ln -s /souce /target ... your redirect will just end up writing the output on the card :) |
| 03:40.53 | mohamed | balrog-kun: the problem is that I want to run qemu but first I have to flash it usign the command make flash-qemu-local. the following error shows http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/54805/ |
| 03:40.59 | KrisAbsinthe_ | what about retrieval, will that be ok |
| 03:42.06 | balrog-kun | mohamed: that's the u-boot 1.3.1 problem |
| 03:42.12 | balrog-kun | mohamed: it can't be used for flashing |
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| 03:43.20 | balrog-kun | mohamed: use this u-boot for example: http://buildhost.openmoko.org/snapshots/2007.08/images/u-boot-gta01bv4-1.2.0+git8993e54b6f397973794f3d6f47d3b3c0c98dd4f6+svn20070819-r0.bin |
| 03:43.29 | HOTR | Why does date have this _ugh_ stupid format? |
| 03:43.45 | HOTR | KrisAbsinthe_: Retrieval? |
| 03:43.49 | balrog-kun | later when the flashing is done you can use any u-boot version for boot-loading linux |
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| 03:45.03 | KrisAbsinthe_ | Using TangoGPS with lats Unstable, they removed the OSKB and replaced it with a Alpha-Num pad, no slashes. So i need to change the default save location to my card where i have maps |
| 03:45.15 | mohamed | balrog-kun: I don't know that all I did was "make setup" , "make openmoko-devel-image" and then "make qemu-local" which includes flashing the local copy. was any thing wrong with the sequence? |
| 03:46.00 | balrog-kun | mohamed: MakeMokofile generally does it wrong |
| 03:46.31 | balrog-kun | i don't know what sequences are correct for MokoMakefile because i don't use it, but i guess you can just reaplce the u-boot with the version from http and it should work even with MokoMakefile |
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| 03:50.33 | KrisAbsinthe_ | nevermind, used SSH to display the app on my desktop |
| 03:50.40 | KrisAbsinthe_ | Duhh... god im tired |
| 03:54.35 | HOTR | KrisAbsinthe_: Quick hackle: |
| 03:54.42 | HOTR | KrisAbsinthe_: awk -F',' '{print "date "substr($10,3,2) substr($10,1,2) substr($2,1,2) substr($2,3,2) 2000+substr($10,5)"."substr($2,5)}' |
| 03:55.31 | HOTR | The 2000 in there is an outright hack, but if your GPS is in a timewarp there isn't much this script can do to help. |
| 03:55.53 | balrog-kun | mohamed: there should be some make target with "download" in the name too |
| 03:55.55 | HOTR | KrisAbsinthe_: Feed that into bash and it'll set the time. |
| 03:56.44 | HOTR | KrisAbsinthe_: Caveat - it's untested, but it should work. I can add some bits for it to parse out the right bit from the NMEA output |
| 03:57.30 | KrisAbsinthe_ | that would be sweet, if you had time to add it to the GPS wiki that would be cool. |
| 03:57.47 | mohamed | balrog-kun: thank you the file you gave me just worked well, but I don't understand what you mean by "there should be some make target with "download" in the name too" |
| 03:57.48 | HOTR | awk -F',' '/^\$GPRMC/{print "date "substr($10,3,2) substr($10,1,2) substr($2,1,2) substr($2,3,2) 2000+substr($10,5)"."substr($2,5)}' |
| 03:59.03 | KrisAbsinthe_ | just goves me a blank line, if i hit enter on the first script it says 'Date 2000' |
| 03:59.11 | mohamed | balrog-kun: I deleted a file named u-boot-gta01bv4-1.3.1+git0ec595243dc99edcd248bbcfbfd5a1dc860bde89+svn3817-r1.bin by the file you gave me and type make flash-qemu-run, the flash succeeded |
| 04:00.35 | HOTR | KrisAbsinthe_: lol |
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| 04:00.47 | HOTR | Sorry, I should have stated the "usage" :P |
| 04:01.11 | HOTR | you have to pipe it some nmea output |
| 04:01.30 | mohamed | balrog-kun: 1.3.1 newer than 1.2.0, then why the new version introduces new problems? |
| 04:01.42 | HOTR | cat /path/to/NMEA | awk crap above |
| 04:02.12 | KrisAbsinthe_ | HOTR: im not that good at scripts and the such yet, switching from MS programming is hard LOL |
| 04:02.48 | HOTR | KrisAbsinthe_: I won't add that abomonation to the GPS stuff -- it's a dirty hack. I'll clean it up and rewrite it in C, there will be no mystery swtiches in it then (I hope). :) |
| 04:03.26 | balrog-kun | mohamed: because the newer version doesn't use a serial port console by default, which is needed for devirginator to work (the first flashing of the device) |
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| 04:03.26 | balrog-kun | after this is done, 1.3.1 works fine, just not for the first flashing (like done in the factory) |
| 04:03.27 | HOTR | KrisAbsinthe_: It'll be annoying me on [[User:Historybuff/notes]] until I fix it. |
| 04:03.41 | balrog-kun | mohamed: this will be fixed one day.. |
| 04:03.43 | KrisAbsinthe_ | cool thanks, |
| 04:04.06 | HOTR | Let me know if it works, or if you are getting breakage from it. |
| 04:04.33 | KrisAbsinthe_ | will do, adding it to my gllin script now |
| 04:04.44 | Kero | my openmoko reset itself. battery appears to be full, though. wtf? |
| 04:04.48 | HOTR | I think something like "tail /path/to/nmea | awk crap | tail -1 | bash" would work best. |
| 04:05.37 | mohamed | balrog-kun: thank you, now I have a working version with qemu until I get my device |
| 04:05.43 | HOTR | 10 lines should be enough. I don't know if you can trust the NMEA time before you get a "fix", and this script doesn't even think about that. :) |
| 04:05.55 | balrog-kun | :) |
| 04:06.21 | KrisAbsinthe_ | Thats no problem, one fix and the time will be ok :) thanks a ton |
| 04:07.05 | HOTR | Cool, glad I could help. I wish the power management stuff was that easy ;) |
| 04:07.59 | KrisAbsinthe_ | No joke, wish i could help more, for now im writing a desktop app to "sync" moko based devices |
| 04:13.52 | KrisAbsinthe_ | it likes breaking my GPS app. let me try an independent script |
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| 04:21.01 | KrisAbsinthe_ | HOTR, sleeping now, ill send the stats after a morning fix ... thanks |
| 04:23.19 | HOTR | KrisAbsinthe_: K, thanks |
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| 08:37.24 | TRIsoft | morning |
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| 09:25.09 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4016 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/ (Makefile.am libopkg.h opkg_state.c opkg_state.h): opkg: add internal state framework |
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| 10:55.35 | buz | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2955814405.html neo goes scotland? |
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| 11:00.29 | XorA | buz: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh my eyes hurt |
| 11:00.41 | XorA | buz: you could at least have put some warnings :-) |
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| 11:13.23 | florian | good morning |
| 11:14.15 | buz | but if they offer it in march, maybe we can it in march, too |
| 11:14.25 | buz | 400$ sounds nice as well |
| 11:14.47 | CVirus | price reduced to 400$ ? |
| 11:14.57 | buz | well not exactly |
| 11:15.04 | buz | CVirus: http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2955814405.html |
| 11:16.26 | gamin | planned feature: 700MHz!!! |
| 11:17.01 | CVirus | has 128GB of RAM. Its 4.3-inch, 640 x 480 VGA Color TFT LCD |
| 11:17.03 | CVirus | hehe |
| 11:17.30 | CVirus | 4.3 ? |
| 11:18.01 | cjb_ie | 128 _G_ b of ram? |
| 11:18.11 | CVirus | that's a typo |
| 11:18.15 | CVirus | what about 4.3 ? |
| 11:18.51 | CVirus | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS2393777675.html |
| 11:19.00 | CVirus | Display -- 4.3-inch diagonal 640 x 480 VGA Color TFT LCD |
| 11:19.12 | CVirus | I wonder why do these guys keep posting misleading info |
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| 11:56.27 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4018 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/ (configure.ac opkg_download.c): opkg: make gpg support optional |
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| 12:16.55 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03thomas * r4019 10/trunk/src/target/opkg/opkg_download.c: opkg: disable gpgme header if gpgme disabled from configure |
| 12:18.13 | SpeedEvil | :) Just sent first text. |
| 12:18.27 | SpeedEvil | 'ba' to get my credit balance. |
| 12:18.45 | raster | credit: 0 |
| 12:18.53 | SpeedEvil | 8.88 actually |
| 12:19.00 | raster | wow |
| 12:19.02 | raster | thats lucky |
| 12:19.02 | Stephmw | -2k here... and growing |
| 12:19.07 | Stephmw | hrmph |
| 12:19.12 | SpeedEvil | (phone credit) |
| 12:19.23 | SpeedEvil | Bank credit is unfortunately negative |
| 12:20.50 | SpeedEvil | I'm not a really heavy phone user. I got that SIM a couple of months ago. 1.00 of that is the day I was using GPRS for networking, the other a couple of test calls. It started out with 10 quid credit. |
| 12:21.33 | SpeedEvil | And hopefully I'll get my heating fixed today or tomorrow - dry fitting the parts prior to soldering. Then all I need to do is to install them and turn the gas back on. |
| 12:22.13 | SpeedEvil | which will mean I can heat my electronics room and actually get some work done. |
| 12:24.25 | raster | bah |
| 12:24.30 | raster | who needs heat! |
| 12:25.02 | zash | heat would be nice |
| 12:25.33 | cjb_ie | solder needs heat |
| 12:27.39 | raster | :) |
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| 12:33.58 | SpeedEvil | It's -4C at night. |
| 12:34.11 | SpeedEvil | That gets rather chilly with no heating |
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| 13:05.05 | emdete | SpeedEvil: what happened to you heating? |
| 13:06.33 | SpeedEvil | The pump failed. |
| 13:07.03 | SpeedEvil | At least - it's hard to turn through the manual knob - and won't turn normally. |
| 13:07.12 | SpeedEvil | I suspect due to contamination in the system. |
| 13:07.41 | SpeedEvil | Got new pump off ebay, and am currently constructing a filter. |
| 13:07.56 | SpeedEvil | (incorporating old hard drive magnets - amazing number of uses) |
| 13:11.12 | emdete | SpeedEvil: so u are en expert for heatings also? |
| 13:11.30 | SpeedEvil | No - I just know how to solder larger copper than electronics too. |
| 13:11.36 | SpeedEvil | And it's just basic physics. |
| 13:12.20 | emdete | SpeedEvil: is that the cause you are using the neo? mine gets really hot when used with battery ;) |
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| 13:23.33 | wibbit | SpeedEvil: -4c where are you? |
| 13:23.53 | wibbit | I thought you were in the UK, but unless it's up on a mountain in Scotland that seems a bit cold |
| 13:24.34 | XorA | wibbit: thats the general temperature of scotland at the moment |
| 13:24.41 | bagpuss_thecat | wibbit: Perth, if memory serves |
| 13:24.57 | wibbit | XorA: You in Scotland? |
| 13:25.09 | XorA | wibbit: yeah |
| 13:25.27 | wibbit | I was reading the paper on Saturday and they mentioned some thing about snow and strong winds up in the north, which was news to me, down here (london) it's the usual warm weather |
| 13:25.50 | XorA | here it was -6 with a little snow shower |
| 13:26.00 | XorA | I think across the river snow was a lot worse |
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| 13:34.07 | SpeedEvil | wildfire`: not yesterday, about a week ago |
| 13:34.09 | SpeedEvil | wibb: |
| 13:36.43 | SpeedEvil | wibbit: and I am in scotland - http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=56.2168&lon=-3.1122&zoom=14&layers=B0FT |
| 13:38.57 | wibbit | I think I've heard of Glenrothes |
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| 13:39.32 | Varun | hi all |
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| 13:40.33 | Varun | i m breaking my head in configuring gprs... |
| 13:41.13 | Varun | i made configurations in /etc/ppp/peers/gprs , /etc/ppp/gprs-connect-chat , ...gprs/disconnect-chat |
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| 13:41.56 | Varun | when i run pppd debug nodetach call gprs, its throwing me the error "Connect Sscript failed" :( |
| 13:42.26 | Varun | any fixes for this?? |
| 13:42.48 | emdete | Varun: what is logged before that? |
| 13:42.56 | emdete | Varun: have the script exec-rights? |
| 13:43.09 | Varun | yeah! it has exec rights... |
| 13:43.13 | emdete | Varun: there is a nice wiki entry about manually using gprs |
| 13:43.25 | Varun | its showing only this error... |
| 13:43.31 | Varun | yeah! i tried that only... |
| 13:43.35 | emdete | Varun: don't believe that |
| 13:44.08 | Varun | how to check whether i m connected to my gprs or not?? |
| 13:44.31 | emdete | Varun: there should be a ppp0 when `ifconfig` |
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| 13:44.42 | emdete | Varun: and a `route -n` shows routes to ppp0 |
| 13:44.57 | emdete | Varun: have you stopped gsmd? |
| 13:45.42 | Varun | nope! i didnt stop that.... |
| 13:46.35 | Varun | gsmd is running...wat shud i do ?? |
| 13:47.18 | Varun | emdete: should i stop gsmd before running pppd?? |
| 13:49.51 | Varun | emdete: i tried stopping gsmd...even now, its throwing the same error....i have checked ifconfig also...its also not showing any interface called ppp0... |
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| 13:56.19 | bedboi | hi there. |
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| 14:07.36 | Varun | not able to get interface ppp0... |
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| 14:08.17 | Varun | has anybody configured gprs in openmoko?? |
| 14:09.11 | emdete | shure |
| 14:09.38 | emdete | Varun: probably a kernel module missing? |
| 14:10.12 | Varun | emdete: what is the fix of this? |
| 14:10.30 | emdete | ipkg install ... - dont know which at the moment. |
| 14:10.43 | emdete | but your chat scripts work fine now? |
| 14:12.11 | Varun | emdete: i used the same chat script given in wiki |
| 14:12.36 | emdete | fine. question was: do they work? |
| 14:12.47 | bedboi | any news about power management? |
| 14:12.48 | emdete | you should see some AT-commands in syslog |
| 14:13.10 | Varun | emdete: will check it now?? |
| 14:13.27 | Varun | emdete: sorry...i will check the log file now... |
| 14:14.18 | emdete | fine. where did you get the error above? this ...not able...ppp? |
| 14:16.36 | Varun | emdete: i tried to debug using: "pppd debug nodetach call gprs" |
| 14:18.34 | emdete | great. and what happens? do you `tail -f /var/log/messages` in another window? |
| 14:20.44 | flexd | mickeyl: Typo on the webpage (openmoko.com), says "When you use these files to creat something" |
| 14:20.51 | flexd | I have any eye for these things apparently :/ |
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| 14:23.51 | mickeyl | roh: got that? |
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| 14:26.35 | ecraven | man creat ;) |
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| 14:31.16 | bedboi | mickeyl: any news so far about the Power Management? |
| 14:32.17 | mickeyl | which parts? |
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| 14:34.55 | SpeedEvil | bedboi: cesarb is still working on the CPU frequency changing |
| 14:35.02 | SpeedEvil | bedboi: which is a huge chunk of it |
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| 14:35.16 | bedboi | SpeedEvil: ok... and what about sleep? |
| 14:35.27 | SpeedEvil | I'm not tired ATM. |
| 14:35.43 | SpeedEvil | Seriously though. |
| 14:35.54 | SpeedEvil | I assume you mean suspend-RAM with wake on calls? |
| 14:37.00 | bedboi | yep |
| 14:37.02 | bedboi | :) |
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| 14:37.10 | SpeedEvil | That's somewhat related |
| 14:37.27 | SpeedEvil | but not actually being worked on. |
| 14:37.28 | bedboi | SpeedEvil: ah ok... So freq scaling is still not supported. |
| 14:37.37 | SpeedEvil | it's being worked on |
| 14:37.49 | SpeedEvil | but not actually working in a sense that you might want to use it |
| 14:38.15 | SpeedEvil | I suppose with even pessimistic assumptions, scaling alone should get to 18h or so |
| 14:38.25 | bedboi | ah so cool |
| 14:38.31 | bedboi | that's ok |
| 14:38.31 | mickeyl | i expect the gsm-wakeup problem to be tackeld very soon |
| 14:38.43 | mickeyl | system level guys are working on gta02 kernel now |
| 14:38.47 | SpeedEvil | mickeyl: what about the GSM firmware question? |
| 14:38.55 | SpeedEvil | retracile_: power use |
| 14:39.01 | mickeyl | SpeedEvil: which question ? |
| 14:39.04 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: perhaps not so long, so far the framebuffer wants at least ~50MHz, and it still flickers |
| 14:39.05 | bedboi | mickeyl: are those patches backportable to gta01 ? |
| 14:39.06 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:39.17 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: yes - I'm assuming off. |
| 14:39.26 | mickeyl | bedboi: i think so, yea |
| 14:39.28 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: basically 'active idle' mode |
| 14:39.37 | bedboi | mickeyl: ok :) |
| 14:39.37 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: with display off |
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| 14:40.16 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: unfortunately that needs even more code, currently the blanking function which should turn the display off just makes it write black instead of turning it off... |
| 14:40.24 | bedboi | do anyone tried to turn off theming (like gradients and so on) to see if it helps to speed up the user experience? |
| 14:40.26 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: though the apparant inability of the current firmware for the GSM modem to do other speeds than 115k2 is annoying |
| 14:40.28 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: and the code needs to be synchronized with the LCM driver... |
| 14:40.42 | mickeyl | SpeedEvil: gsm deep sleep is in the firmware since moko3 |
| 14:40.56 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: well, I don't know if you read that on your IRC scrollback, but I implemented the automatic selection of the cpufreq dividers |
| 14:40.56 | mickeyl | SpeedEvil: now the problem is that some people still have moko1, so we have to update them |
| 14:41.09 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: could even be user-mode |
| 14:41.10 | mickeyl | and according to MichaelShiloh this is still in legal progress... |
| 14:41.12 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: which should allow for a bit more flexibility |
| 14:41.26 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: the 'turn off screen' bit I mean |
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| 14:41.58 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: and, after the GSM suspend (the exact same code which needs to be used for wake-on-modem), you can just make gsmd close the serial port and thus free the lower frequency range |
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| 14:42.21 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: |
| 14:42.25 | SpeedEvil | ah - funky |
| 14:42.26 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: perhaps. I don't know if the path userspace would use would completely disable the driver (thus freeing the frequency range) |
| 14:43.01 | SpeedEvil | So you don't actually possibly need to use the UART at other times than the flow control says it wants to - if userspace plays right |
| 14:43.10 | mokel | hi, i found a small bug and i am not registered to the bugzilla and too lazy todo: when i turn on bluetooth (version Snapshot-20071121) the popup is written wrong: there pops up "Bluetooh" (without "t") |
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| 14:44.03 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: changed the dividers? |
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| 14:44.11 | SpeedEvil | I thought you were doing that already |
| 14:44.53 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: not flow control (I can't play much with the flow control, since it's done in hardware), but actual suspend-to-ram-like (asking the AT command interpreter to wake up the SoC) |
| 14:45.26 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: now I'm automatically chosing them (so it will use 1:2:4 if possible, but depending on the drivers it could use 1:2:2 or 1:1:2 or even 1:1:1) |
| 14:45.39 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: ah I see. Nice. |
| 14:45.52 | SpeedEvil | That would really be nice. |
| 14:45.54 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: the 50MHz one ends up using 1:1:2 since the LCM wants a greater HCLK |
| 14:46.14 | SpeedEvil | Because it would mean that the GSM modem - possibly - can be in the really low power mode most of the time |
| 14:46.16 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: I didn't enable 1:4:4, because I don't trust the datasheet that much (it's commented out) ;-) |
| 14:46.45 | SpeedEvil | Even when the phone is 'on'. |
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| 16:28.41 | zelip | Don't you guys think that a next version of cellphones should have a dedicated grapchics processor? |
| 16:29.22 | Vegar | I don't think cellphones should do much more than be phones |
| 16:29.27 | Ebbe | zelip: Yes. And FreeRunner has just that |
| 16:29.51 | Ebbe | Vegar: Agreed that not everyone should.. |
| 16:31.20 | SpeedEvil | zelip: no |
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| 16:33.16 | El_Salvador | zelip: neo is a phone, not a console |
| 16:33.50 | El_Salvador | if you want a game console with linux, get gp2x |
| 16:33.55 | El_Salvador | :P |
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| 16:35.56 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure about the graphics processor without knowing how much it's added to the sticker price. |
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| 16:37.19 | SpeedEvil | If it doesn't add much, and adds low power screen refresh, it might be a win. |
| 16:37.24 | SpeedEvil | (for me) |
| 16:37.58 | SpeedEvil | I personally put smooth scrolling animated menus someway down the list of important stuff. |
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| 16:39.39 | wirrwarr | moin moin |
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| 16:41.33 | Vegar | what happened to the GTA02's 1700mAh battery? |
| 16:41.55 | mjr | yeah that's what struck my eye too |
| 16:42.05 | mjr | wonder if that's a cut/paste snafu though |
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| 16:43.36 | Vegar | http://wiki.openmoko.org/index.php?title=Neo1973&diff=23538&oldid=23500 |
| 16:43.39 | Vegar | there's the edit |
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| 16:57.52 | Slaxxer | the next device in the line is gonna be gta03? |
| 16:57.59 | SpeedEvil | no, 2 |
| 16:58.05 | SpeedEvil | 1 is produced and available |
| 16:58.17 | Slaxxer | y well after freerunner |
| 16:58.20 | SpeedEvil | 2 is in preproduction |
| 16:58.27 | Slaxxer | yes |
| 16:58.34 | Slaxxer | an then? |
| 16:58.36 | SpeedEvil | at the moment they're in the 'wouldn't it be nice' stage as I understand it |
| 16:58.40 | SpeedEvil | not actaully planned |
| 16:59.16 | Slaxxer | no camera is the greatest idea |
| 17:00.19 | Slaxxer | i think the open moko is gonna be a BIG seller in the usa |
| 17:00.57 | MetaMorfoziS | when the 03 planned? |
| 17:01.04 | Slaxxer | welp time for the storm seeya |
| 17:01.11 | MetaMorfoziS | :) |
| 17:01.14 | Slaxxer | its not |
| 17:01.33 | zelip | sorry i was out.., but back in the graphic processor idea, I think GUI of a phone is one of the most important things, since you don't have mouse nor big keyboards for shorcuts nor big screens. |
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| 17:06.51 | SpeedEvil | I'm personally of the view that adequate performance can be gotten in software. |
| 17:07.05 | SpeedEvil | For all stuff I require. |
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| 17:08.41 | zelip | it might be just a design thing.. ( a good gui ). I might be just pissed, since I just got my htc s710, and now I know I hate Windows Mobile OS |
| 17:09.20 | SpeedEvil | Also I'd like it to be usable - the GUI - on unaccellerated platforms |
| 17:09.52 | SpeedEvil | which are likely to be cheaper for several years. |
| 17:11.45 | zelip | let those use windows mobile.. and let the good things come. heh |
| 17:13.01 | SpeedEvil | And if OM can only then run on expensive hardware? |
| 17:13.16 | SpeedEvil | Personally I'd like the option of a $20-30 cheaper phone. |
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| 17:20.17 | wurp2|afk | Does anyone have a recommendation about what recent OM image is best? |
| 17:20.29 | wurp2|afk | I read kdean06's reviews |
| 17:20.45 | wurp2|afk | I'm gonna go with 1/31 unless someone has a specific recommendation |
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| 17:22.43 | kdean06 | That's my recommendation, I've not checked out the .it images, but I might. |
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| 17:34.00 | wurp2 | kdean06: Thanks |
| 17:34.57 | wurp2 | Hey, does anyone know of an ipkg that adds a shutdown command for the gsm so my phone doesn't go dead while plugged in and turned off? |
| 17:35.25 | wurp2 | I can go create one, but I'd prefer to get one that's tested & packaged up |
| 17:37.51 | Kero | kdean06: http://chmeee.dyndns.org/om/testing_gsmd.html |
| 17:37.52 | kdean06 | Are there any pictures of the Freerunner? I've seen "naked" ones, I think. |
| 17:38.33 | kdean06 | I've also seen one that was supposed to be the freerunner, but just had a solid black case. Not sure if that was legit though. |
| 17:38.57 | smlsfb | from the wiki dev models page (where it was showing who had what) it seemed like they were just installing the new hardware in the old cases |
| 17:39.24 | smlsfb | maybe with some modifications to the case |
| 17:39.51 | kdean06 | I think I've seen them then. |
| 17:40.16 | kdean06 | I'm assuming it wil probably be a minor tweak to the case to rebrand and that will be that. :) |
| 17:40.25 | kdean06 | Well, and eliminate speaker holes. :) |
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| 17:45.51 | cesarb | kdean06: afaik there are no case changes, since from what I've heard retooling is expensive, and gta02 was designed to fit in the gta01 case |
| 17:46.04 | kdean06 | Ah. |
| 17:46.11 | kdean06 | Fair enough. |
| 17:46.17 | kdean06 | Openmoko.com has the CAD images now. |
| 17:46.26 | cesarb | kdean06: probably only the whiteish part which holds the speakers (which you can see in the internal photos of gta01) will be replaced, since where one of the speakers was now is the wikfi |
| 17:46.51 | kdean06 | I'm very curious to see how Freerunner will be marketed. :) |
| 17:46.56 | cesarb | kdean06: but that is probably not that expensive, and a separate filler part (yeah, the case is full of air...) |
| 17:48.18 | cesarb | HCLK=90MHz seems to not have much... I probably have to fudge the framebuffer policy notifier to reject frequencies which get too far from the ideal (like the serial driver does) |
| 17:48.40 | cesarb | (no wonder nobody did cpufreq on the s3c2410 before; it's really a lot of work!) |
| 17:49.03 | kdean06 | wurp2, You were asking about images... MokoMakefile now has a qtopia image, if you're feeling bored. :) |
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| 17:55.13 | wurp2 | kdean06: Nah, I gotta run for jury duty soon :-( |
| 17:59.52 | XorA | anyone from spain here? |
| 18:08.14 | SpeedEvil | kdean06: slowly |
| 18:08.30 | SpeedEvil | kdean06: my guesstimate is: |
| 18:09.03 | SpeedEvil | Freerunner available for purchase May. Software sort-of consumer ready by christmas. |
| 18:10.05 | SpeedEvil | Maybe by christmas 2009, some limited availabiity in some stores in some markets. |
| 18:10.57 | SpeedEvil | I don't see subsidised phones before xmas 2010. |
| 18:11.21 | kdean06 | Wow. |
| 18:11.40 | kdean06 | SpeedEvil, Do you work for OpenMoko? |
| 18:11.43 | Stephmw | subsidy requires that the operators see a point in it |
| 18:11.56 | SpeedEvil | no, that's a personal guess. |
| 18:12.00 | doc|home | maybe the gta03 will be more .... consumer targeted? I.e. less fugly :) |
| 18:12.08 | SpeedEvil | I like it. |
| 18:12.21 | SpeedEvil | Fugly is in the eye of the beholder. |
| 18:12.24 | kdean06 | SpeedEvil, I was asking because you seem to know quite a bit, not just this specific issue and I was unsure. :) |
| 18:12.29 | kdean06 | I love the Neo1973. :) |
| 18:12.38 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 18:12.44 | kdean06 | Feels great, looks good. |
| 18:12.52 | Stephmw | kdean06: he just idles in this channel 24/7 |
| 18:12.58 | kdean06 | Yeah... |
| 18:13.50 | mickeyl | any future models will come in a completely new style |
| 18:13.56 | mickeyl | (including case, of course) |
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| 18:18.06 | kdean06 | I wonder how long "typical" devices spend in development... |
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| 18:18.54 | mickeyl | depends on how much a design differs from the previous |
| 18:19.09 | mickeyl | and on the size of your engineering team |
| 18:19.23 | mickeyl | 6 to 12 months is a good guess |
| 18:19.58 | kdean06 | Well, I'm just thinking about why I purchase devices and wondering if they're typical reasons... |
| 18:20.34 | kdean06 | And I wonder if Freerunner would seem to be a good purchase in 2009, for instance... |
| 18:21.12 | SpeedEvil | As to why I think operators might like it - in principle. |
| 18:21.51 | SpeedEvil | If they can get significantly chepaer phones, with user-acceptable software - that might do it alone. |
| 18:22.10 | kdean06 | SpeedEvil, I honestly think the carriers, at least in the US, would be against it. |
| 18:22.23 | smlsfb | and have people txting each other over wifi instead of paying 15c/message? |
| 18:22.33 | smlsfb | the US will definitely be against it |
| 18:22.49 | SpeedEvil | Personally I'm fine with some forms of locking the customer into one operator for example, if they are told so. |
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| 18:23.44 | kdean06 | I think unless the current market in the US is changed, Freerunner will be DOA to "mass market" since most people are on a contract and can't freely move anyway, so the idea of being able to take the phone elsewhere is little to no incentive. |
| 18:23.50 | smlsfb | no reason to lock the hardware though ... if it's discounted, just tack on a sufficient early-termination fee |
| 18:24.11 | SpeedEvil | smlsfb: to an extent, yes. |
| 18:24.44 | smlsfb | but that's not the kind of locking i care about |
| 18:24.52 | kdean06 | Plus, with no accessories for the Neo, there's little the carriers seek to make. |
| 18:24.53 | smlsfb | that's fine |
| 18:24.54 | SpeedEvil | kdean06: there are other markets. In some at least subsidy is illegal. |
| 18:24.58 | smlsfb | it's a reasonable business act |
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| 18:25.26 | kdean06 | SpeedEvil, What do you mean by that last part? What subsidy are you referring to? |
| 18:25.32 | smlsfb | but restricting features is what would kill the phone in the US |
| 18:25.35 | Kero | In 2009, the difference between low-end laptops and high-end phones will be smaller than it is now. |
| 18:25.50 | smlsfb | the iphone still doesn't have an official way to use instant messenger |
| 18:25.57 | Kero | My current laptop has a casing for a SIM, but it's not wired, afaik |
| 18:26.06 | SpeedEvil | kdean06: in the USA and most other markets the majority of phones are sold with a large subsidy from the network. |
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| 18:26.21 | SpeedEvil | kdean06: the 'real' cost of the phone is somewhat higher |
| 18:27.05 | smlsfb | or, the carriers not being able to restrict features is what would kill the phone in the US |
| 18:27.14 | smlsfb | as a subsidized phone |
| 18:27.24 | SpeedEvil | Possibly. |
| 18:27.27 | kdean06 | SpeedEvil, Oh, selling phones at a loss is illegal elsewhere, is that what you mean? |
| 18:27.49 | SpeedEvil | kdean06: yes - in some countries the network can't cross-subsidise the purchase of the phone |
| 18:27.55 | kdean06 | Honestly, that's the single reason many people choose one carrier over another. |
| 18:28.33 | kdean06 | Getting rid of that would kill a lot of companies ability to do business here.. Which I'd quite honestly be for, but see little chance of happening. |
| 18:28.51 | kdean06 | Verizon would die if it actually was forced to offer good service to stay in business. :) |
| 18:29.39 | kdean06 | I'd love to see a mobile marketplace like ISPs... Bring your own computer and plug in. |
| 18:29.55 | kdean06 | I'd enjoy going to a phone store, and then finding the best carrier. :D |
| 18:30.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1220 has been created by cwixon(AT)usa.net |
| 18:30.02 | cdbot2 | * * ipkg kernel/module upgrade regression |
| 18:30.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1220 |
| 18:30.07 | kdean06 | Which, for the first time I was able to do, actually. :D |
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| 18:57.40 | cesarb | .pixclock = 40000, /* HCLK/4 */ |
| 18:57.45 | cesarb | where did that number come from? |
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| 19:09.06 | cesarb | From my calculations, 30075 is what it ends up using in practice |
| 19:09.54 | cesarb | And the frequencies where it's _lower_ seems to have less flicker |
| 19:10.01 | smlsfb | cesarb, is that a safe default that is recalculated later? |
| 19:10.12 | smlsfb | or is it static? |
| 19:10.36 | cesarb | smlsfb: well, it's what I'm seeing in the place where it's actually calculated |
| 19:10.55 | cesarb | smlsfb: 30075 is what you get if you reverse the calculations at the default frequency |
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| 19:11.20 | smlsfb | oh ... so does it need to be defined initially at all? |
| 19:11.22 | cesarb | smlsfb: one of the frequencies with the worst flicker, if I recall correctly, is one where the value is 39506 |
| 19:11.28 | smlsfb | or would it be safe to let it calculate itself? |
| 19:11.55 | cesarb | smlsfb: and one low frequency which doesn't flicker is one which has the value of 22222 |
| 19:12.21 | smlsfb | hah, that seems like a bit of disparity ... |
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| 19:13.16 | cesarb | smlsfb: that would imply the correct value is not 40000, but probably something lower (perhaps something like 35000 or 32500) |
| 19:13.51 | cesarb | smlsfb: and the value of 40000 was "chosen" as one which ended up using HCLK/4 (30000 would probably use HCLK/2) |
| 19:16.30 | DukeOfURL | Has anyone written a SIP (VoIP) client for openmoko? |
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| 19:16.51 | DukeOfURL | or is there a SIP client in OE? |
| 19:17.14 | doc|work | DukeOfURL: rtcomm |
| 19:17.24 | doc|work | er, sorry, ignore that |
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| 19:41.39 | cesarb | Did some more experimenting with the device, now that I know what to look for. Around 40000 = more flicker, around 20000 = less flicker, around 3000 = least flicker. Wtf? |
| 19:42.00 | cesarb | This seems to indicate there's some timing configuration in the LCM which makes it work better with 30000... |
| 19:43.10 | cesarb | But if I change that value to (for instance) 35000, I will in fact move the range from 20000-40000 to 17500-35000 |
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| 19:45.08 | inwoo | i've been playing with libgsmd-tool, but i can't seem to understand what sl=stat means for SMS List-ing |
| 19:45.24 | inwoo | anyone know what stat should be to list SMS's? |
| 19:45.37 | br3n | DukeOfURL, somebody was talking about mokoiax or something like that - think it is asterisk related port - its on the projects page somewhere |
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| 19:47.37 | inwoo | Kero: heh... |
| 19:47.46 | inwoo | it seg-faults when you just type 'sl' |
| 19:47.53 | Kero | where did you find you have to add a parameter? |
| 19:47.57 | br3n | DukeOfURL, yep its here http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/mokoiax/ |
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| 19:48.01 | inwoo | It says, (sl=stat) |
| 19:48.11 | inwoo | i don't know what to put in for stat |
| 19:48.21 | Kero | afaik, it has an sl command |
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| 19:48.25 | Kero | you can try "ALL" |
| 19:48.34 | Kero | which works on the lower AT level |
| 19:48.34 | inwoo | hrm |
| 19:48.50 | inwoo | like sl="ALL"? |
| 19:49.04 | inwoo | i tried the lower AT level commands to read all sms's, and i get a cms error of invalid memory index |
| 19:49.10 | cesarb | Kero: libgsmd crashes because it likes crashing? |
| 19:49.27 | inwoo | using libgsmd-tool, i can't get it to read or list smss' |
| 19:49.30 | cesarb | Kero: isn't gsmd/libgsmd the most crash-prone part of the OM code? |
| 19:49.50 | DukeOfURL | br3n: thanks for the info. I'm looking for a SIP client. |
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| 19:51.11 | Kero | cesarb: I know. http://chmeee.dyndns.org/om/testing_gsmd.html |
| 19:51.22 | Kero | trying to help with that ;) |
| 19:52.08 | br3n | DukeOfURL, I thought that's what asterisk is..... http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/gbpnkans/ sorry if wrong...... |
| 19:53.30 | DukeOfURL | asterisk is everything! It has SIP and IAX VoIP protocols. It has software and hardware for TDM devices (T1). I has software and hardware for analog devices. |
| 19:54.09 | cesarb | Kero: cool, you could perhaps extract qemu's phone emulator code to help with the testing (I think qtopia also has one) |
| 19:54.11 | br3n | DukeOfURL, yep, knew it was too complicated 4 me :-) |
| 19:54.16 | DukeOfURL | I'm looking at driving a SIP VoIP handset from OM |
| 19:54.31 | Kero | cesarb: it has? nice to know |
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| 19:54.45 | cesarb | cpufreq is waaay easier :D |
| 19:55.06 | Kero | cesarb: figuring out all communication myself is a bit tedious, indeed. |
| 19:55.47 | cesarb | Kero: there's also some phonesim thingy which make flash-qemu-official advertises at the end... Never looked at it, but the name sounds like something useful |
| 19:56.33 | Kero | ok |
| 19:57.43 | cesarb | Kero: http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.3-snapshot/fd-ModemSimulator.html |
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| 20:01.07 | Kero | cesarb: a good thing about my framework is that you don't need full emulation |
| 20:01.22 | Kero | no reason to parse "ATE0V1", just respond. |
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| 20:02.48 | cesarb | Kero: the main advantage of using an emulator is that you don't have to know what the correct response looks like (the emulator already knows that for you) |
| 20:03.53 | cesarb | now it's at 67500 1:1:2 |
| 20:04.54 | Vegar | 67.5 MHz? |
| 20:06.10 | cesarb | Vegar: yep |
| 20:06.26 | cesarb | Vegar: I tweaked some parameters to try to reduce flicker, will test on the device soon |
| 20:06.52 | cesarb | brb dinner |
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| 20:39.36 | yoyo | hello |
| 20:40.12 | summatusmentis | hi |
| 20:50.09 | spydon | Does anyone know how much this powerglitch will delay gta02? |
| 20:51.05 | yoyo | powerglitch? |
| 20:51.06 | br3n | 1.768794 weeks |
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| 20:57.32 | br3n | yoyo, see kernel mail list |
| 20:57.36 | inwoo | does anyone know what index SMS messages get stored, in order to read? |
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| 21:06.01 | kdean06 | Hrm... I've been meaning to look at the SMS handling source actually. Having some kind of checksum would be quite useful in preventing quadruplicate messages like I had last night. :S |
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| 21:08.09 | inwoo | you mean in libgsmd? |
| 21:09.00 | dennda | If one wants always the latest news concerning the openmoko and its release (especially in combination with the freerunner-device), is it best to join up to the mailing list or are there even more up to date news available? |
| 21:10.08 | Kero | haha, kdean06, the SIM has limited storage, why keep SMS there after reading? (and is the timestamp accurate enough to recognize an SMS by?) |
| 21:11.47 | kdean06 | Kero, I don't know exactly how the timestamp is set - is it network side or phone side? I got quadruplicates yesterday that all had the exact same content and incoming time and I'm not sure if the Neo falsely reported it or if it actually recieved it 4 times. |
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| 21:13.37 | inwoo | libgsmd tool states, i can list sms's by sl=stat ... in the enum of lgsm_msg_sms_stat , there are 5 enumerations... how come i keep geting a cme error: 321? |
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| 21:15.54 | Kero | kdean06: unsure. Would have to read more of the docs... and frankly, I don't feel like that. It's an ugly, ugly standard |
| 21:16.46 | Kero | for weeding out duplicates, doesn't matter which, tho |
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| 21:59.04 | yoyo | sleep time |
| 21:59.05 | yoyo | siija |
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| 22:43.37 | rhett | where can I see the specs of the freerunner? |
| 22:45.01 | raster | same as gta02 |
| 22:45.07 | raster | if its hardware u want to know about |
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| 22:45.46 | rhett | so, I just bought an iphone, and I can't sync it with linux, and I really wish I had bought an open phone now |
| 22:46.56 | rhett | but it does have 8GB space, and really slick software |
| 22:47.20 | rhett | geeze, that blows away the openmoko |
| 22:48.07 | Ebbe | rhett: The OpenMoko isn't done yet.. |
| 22:48.09 | raster | then learn to love it |
| 22:48.13 | kdean06 | OpenMoko is the software, nothing prevents the Neo from having 8GB. And as soon as they exist, it can take 16GB cards. :D |
| 22:48.18 | raster | you buy an apple product |
| 22:48.29 | raster | its a limited -pre-packaged device |
| 22:48.33 | ajbrun | they do exist afaik kdean06 ? |
| 22:48.35 | raster | it is not sold or intended as a platform |
| 22:48.45 | ajbrun | i thought it was 32gb that don't yet? |
| 22:48.52 | raster | invariably this means it comes with "this device requires X, Y, Z" to function |
| 22:49.07 | raster | (eg an apple machine woith osx version whatever or a windows box etc.) |
| 22:49.12 | kdean06 | Comparing the Neo/Freerunner to the iPhone isn't a great comparison - OpenMoko is designed to be open and nothing else pulls a close second to it in that regard. |
| 22:49.15 | mjr | ajbrun, microSD. 8 gig is the state of the readily available art. |
| 22:49.16 | raster | if u have linux - you dont fall into its box - too bad. |
| 22:50.01 | rhett | god, wireless sucks with linux. There is no WiFi chipset with GPL'ed drivers |
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| 22:50.18 | raster | rhett: intel. |
| 22:50.25 | mjr | were you here just to troll in a completely random fashion? |
| 22:50.36 | rhett | raster, I thought openmoko is using atheros |
| 22:50.41 | raster | we are |
| 22:51.00 | raster | u said no chipset with gpl drivers |
| 22:51.01 | raster | wrong |
| 22:51.03 | raster | there are |
| 22:51.04 | kdean06 | Isn't the Atheros BSD? |
| 22:51.04 | raster | intel |
| 22:51.06 | rhett | sorry, mjr, you can't follow what I'm reading, I just learned about openmoko a few minutes ago |
| 22:51.08 | raster | been using it for years |
| 22:51.13 | rhett | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/WiFi_support_in_OpenMoko |
| 22:51.26 | raster | atheros have open drivers as part of madwifi |
| 22:51.33 | rhett | raster go down to "Public call for WiFi" |
| 22:51.40 | rhett | "We can't find a WiFi Chipset with GPL'ed drivers" |
| 22:52.14 | raster | rhett: that is specific to low-power wifi chips for embedded devices |
| 22:52.16 | raster | like phones |
| 22:52.23 | kdean06 | rhett, You need to understand that that was VERY specifically limited to the embedded device. |
| 22:52.32 | raster | that already narrows down choice massively |
| 22:52.41 | raster | we chose ahteros |
| 22:52.48 | kdean06 | Linux itself has several GPL drives, and many more freely licensed ones. |
| 22:52.53 | raster | and we are even re-using a lot of the code from the madwifi drivers |
| 22:53.01 | kdean06 | And I'm gonna go into "quiet mode" now. :) |
| 22:53.07 | raster | as the chip is mostly the same as the desktop/laptop-side ones |
| 22:53.10 | raster | when it comes to driving it |
| 22:53.20 | raster | the big problem is we have to address it over SDIO |
| 22:53.26 | rhett | Look, guys, let me say that I love the idea of an open phone. I want buy one and help develop for one |
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| 22:53.52 | raster | also remember - the iki can be full of crusty old info |
| 22:53.57 | raster | its a public document anyone can edit |
| 22:54.06 | raster | we only hired a fulltime wiki editor in the last week |
| 22:54.09 | rhett | I have an atheros wifi card in my thinkpad, and madwifi takes about 10 times longer to connect to my wireless network than when I put a hacked version of OSX on it |
| 22:54.19 | raster | so it will easily contain lots of outdated or even incorrect info |
| 22:54.31 | raster | it is NOT maintained and vetted by openmoko itself |
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| 22:55.11 | kdean06 | Sweet. :) Wiki Editor. :D Is that the official title, or is it more a duty of a more broad job, or can you not say? |
| 22:55.22 | raster | their job |
| 22:55.31 | raster | no idea on title :) |
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| 22:55.50 | kdean06 | Neat. |
| 22:55.53 | raster | rh1 that may have nothing to do with drivers and more to do with dhcp |
| 22:55.57 | rhett | how long does the openmoko take to connect to a wireless network? |
| 22:56.01 | raster | rhett: that may have nothing to do with drivers and more to do with dhcp |
| 22:56.02 | stefan_schmidt | raster: She is not in the office directory. Once Liane added she we know the title. :) |
| 22:56.18 | raster | stefan_schmidt: yeah |
| 22:56.22 | raster | but about time we got one |
| 22:56.30 | stefan_schmidt | raster: Indeed |
| 22:56.31 | raster | delete the old crap from the wiki - organise it nicely |
| 22:56.34 | rhett | raster, using the exact same router, same hardware, madwifi = 10x slower than whatever osx uses |
| 22:56.43 | raster | double-check on new things going in that they are factually correct |
| 22:56.45 | raster | etc. |
| 22:57.08 | stefan_schmidt | rhett: So dig into it or stay with OSX, your choice. :) |
| 22:57.10 | rhett | also, I get buffer overrun problems, etc. after being on a long time, and coming out of sleep mode |
| 22:57.18 | raster | rhett: 10x slower at connect u mean? or transfers too? |
| 22:57.27 | rhett | rabble, connecting |
| 22:57.31 | rhett | oops raster |
| 22:57.35 | raster | again |
| 22:57.45 | raster | it may have N OTHING to do with the madwifi drivers at all |
| 22:57.48 | rhett | stefan_schmidt, I don't want to use osx |
| 22:57.55 | raster | it most likely is entirely to do with the dhcp setup |
| 22:58.05 | raster | if u have ever taken a linux machine to other peoples networks |
| 22:58.05 | rhett | ok, well, what could be the cause then raster? |
| 22:58.08 | stefan_schmidt | rhett: Pure guessing: The linux box uses NetworkManager? |
| 22:58.10 | raster | be they wired or wireless |
| 22:58.33 | raster | i have seen dhcp retry with discoveres for 30 seconds before finally getting a usable reply from the dchp server |
| 22:58.46 | rhett | stefan_schmidt, yes, so you think NetworkManager is going though some slow process? |
| 22:58.54 | raster | i have seen dhcp servers only reply with ip adfdress assignments and no default gateway or netmask |
| 22:58.58 | stefan_schmidt | raster: urgs, you really should avoid such networks. |
| 22:59.07 | raster | stefan_schmidt: sometimes u have no choice |
| 22:59.11 | stefan_schmidt | rhett: Ah, another guess: Vesion 0.6.5? |
| 22:59.26 | stefan_schmidt | raster: You always have. Just stop working there. ;) |
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| 22:59.37 | rhett | yep stefan_schmidt |
| 22:59.49 | raster | stefan_schmidt: when its the only internet u'll get for the next week - no choice |
| 22:59.49 | raster | :) |
| 23:00.17 | stefan_schmidt | rhett: There we go. :) |
| 23:00.25 | raster | point is |
| 23:00.31 | raster | its almsot certainly not the driver |
| 23:00.33 | stefan_schmidt | rhett: It's dhcdbd fault. (A dbus dhcp client) |
| 23:00.38 | raster | the overruns would probably be |
| 23:00.44 | raster | but the connect is most likely dhcp |
| 23:00.46 | stefan_schmidt | rhett: Got killed in NM svn already |
| 23:01.11 | stefan_schmidt | rhett: You can make a test when you connect from the console. Just to see the time difference. |
| 23:01.34 | stefan_schmidt | raster: In this case it is another stupid layer of dbus handling dhcp. :) |
| 23:01.58 | stefan_schmidt | raster: dhclient was extended and NM now communicates directly to it. |
| 23:02.10 | rhett | wow, thanks stefan_schmidt, I'll look into that, yeah, NM is even buggy using wired ethernet |
| 23:02.13 | stefan_schmidt | raster: My NM from svn is blazing fast for dhcp now. :) |
| 23:02.47 | stefan_schmidt | rhett: Getting better in svn. Just a pity that 0.7 will still take some time before a full blown release. |
| 23:03.04 | stefan_schmidt | raster: About driver. They still do so many things wrong. |
| 23:03.06 | raster | stefan_schmidt: i've seen dhclient spend 30secs getting your IF set up :( |
| 23:03.28 | raster | stefan_schmidt: sure. |
| 23:03.32 | raster | not denying that |
| 23:03.35 | stefan_schmidt | raster: You don't want to know the jungle of private ioctls before the mac80211 stack :) |
| 23:03.38 | raster | but connect stime is most likely not that :) |
| 23:04.20 | stefan_schmidt | Before the stack wifi was a mess in linux. Somewhat working but a mess. |
| 23:04.38 | stefan_schmidt | But hey, it's getting better everywhere no need to complain. |
| 23:04.45 | cesarb | kdean06: isn't the greenphone a "close second"? |
| 23:04.59 | stefan_schmidt | We should think back to days were it was not even possible to boot machines with it. ;) |
| 23:05.13 | cesarb | raster: 30sec? that's nothing. Try to connecting to a default-configured cisco 35xx switch |
| 23:05.39 | cesarb | raster: it'll take a _whole minute_ just waiting for STP to make sure you aren't being evil and setting up a forwarding loop |
| 23:05.51 | cesarb | raster: _then_ it can start talking to the dhcp server (or anything else) |
| 23:06.10 | stefan_schmidt | cesarb: If you buy cisco but not enough admin power then there for sure things will break |
| 23:06.25 | cesarb | stefan_schmidt: sometimes the switch isn't yours |
| 23:06.40 | stefan_schmidt | cesarb: Ah, yes the STP thing. Was fun to watch some admins at my last job in a data center to find it. :) |
| 23:06.53 | cesarb | stefan_schmidt: and sometimes the switch was "inherited" from the previous company, and thus didn't come with the serial rollover cable and DB9 adapter ;-) |
| 23:07.28 | stefan_schmidt | cesarb: That's why you always need one in your pocket |
| 23:07.48 | raster | cesarb: i swear the greenphone had a license agreement with it that basically said u have to use qtopia to develop and can't put alternative toolkits/gui's on it. |
| 23:08.08 | cesarb | stefan_schmidt: since I'm currently a sysadmin, I should seriously start getting a kit instead of depending of whatever I can find |
| 23:08.24 | cesarb | stefan_schmidt: like, I have a box with several RJ45 connectors. I also have a crimper. |
| 23:08.32 | cesarb | stefan_schmidt: a RJ11 crimper. |
| 23:08.54 | ljp | raster: that was true, but TT changed it |
| 23:08.59 | stefan_schmidt | cesarb: That's why I love coding and hate admin stuff. To many real hw dependencies. :) |
| 23:09.27 | raster | ljp: aah |
| 23:09.42 | stefan_schmidt | cesarb: For sure |
| 23:09.47 | raster | cesarb: i won't wonder. i'll place bets :) |
| 23:09.53 | stefan_schmidt | cesarb: I mean, it's part of his job |
| 23:09.55 | raster | ljp: when did that change? |
| 23:10.06 | ljp | soon after the first release :) |
| 23:10.15 | raster | aah ok |
| 23:10.36 | stefan_schmidt | cesarb: As raster has a trigger for e* ;) |
| 23:10.36 | raster | i looked at it back then saw that and went "oh well. so much for that. next!" |
| 23:10.36 | raster | :) |
| 23:10.51 | raster | stefan_schmidt: dude - if i had that i'd be hilighted al lthe time |
| 23:10.51 | raster | :) |
| 23:11.10 | stefan_schmidt | raster: Not *e* ;) |
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| 23:11.19 | cesarb | nah, raster probably has several, one for each of the 50+ e<something> words he invented |
| 23:11.33 | stefan_schmidt | cesarb: heh |
| 23:12.24 | cesarb | in fact, raster has claimed the "e" space, like kde claimed the "k", gnome claimed the "g", and Apple claimed the "i" |
| 23:12.47 | ljp | and TT's "Q" |
| 23:13.00 | cesarb | ljp: I knew I had forgotten one of them |
| 23:13.15 | ljp | TT probably was for forerunner of all that madness |
| 23:13.22 | raster | e-space - no one can hear you scream. |
| 23:13.56 | raster | ljp: speaking of q... have u and smedia sorted things out? |
| 23:14.36 | ljp | raster: havent heard back, after they said they would contact me again |
| 23:15.02 | raster | oh hooray |
| 23:15.13 | raster | ljp: u can get started based on the xglamo code |
| 23:15.16 | raster | as such |
| 23:15.26 | raster | we just got some a5's shipped |
| 23:15.48 | raster | i'm in .tw week after next so i'lll try and make sure i get at least 2 "mostly working" ones |
| 23:16.01 | ljp | ok. great |
| 23:16.06 | raster | i.e - ones that have been beaten and dont have any nasty-surprises hw-wise |
| 23:16.14 | ljp | hmmm |
| 23:16.16 | cesarb | raster: you mean the ones with the extra resistor soldered? |
| 23:16.20 | raster | it took until my 3rd gta02a4 until it mostly worked |
| 23:16.36 | raster | cesarb: no idea atm. |
| 23:16.40 | raster | i know some work fine |
| 23:16.45 | raster | others have 1 or more things broken |
| 23:16.49 | ljp | i thought the extra resistor was v4 |
| 23:16.55 | raster | so its a bit of a quality issue |
| 23:17.21 | ljp | can we find out what things dont work, so I can tell our QA dept not to bug me about it? |
| 23:17.22 | cesarb | ljp: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-February/000852.html |
| 23:17.56 | cesarb | ljp: it was capacitor, thinko sorry |
| 23:18.05 | raster | ljp: thats the point of getting u ones that work |
| 23:18.26 | raster | so u likely have 1 or 2 small known thnigs u are unlikely to care about in a qtopia port |
| 23:18.34 | ljp | ok |
| 23:18.38 | raster | (eg p-ower voltage leaks on suspend etc.) |
| 23:19.12 | rhett | hey, off topic, but does anyone know a good hobbyist set of hardware for doing robot controlling with embedded linux? |
| 23:19.20 | raster | theres no point you chasing ghost bugs in your code when its hw |
| 23:19.31 | rhett | it would be nice to have something with the openmoko I could ssh into, put gcc on ,etc. |
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| 23:20.32 | pancake | hi |
| 23:21.26 | pancake | i've received two neo1973 |
| 23:21.32 | pancake | and both seems to have electrical problems |
| 23:22.55 | rwhitby | rhett: VoodooZ in #nslu2-linux uses an nslu2 for controlling his robots that he enters in competitions. |
| 23:23.05 | rwhitby | morning all |
| 23:23.20 | pancake | the device reboots or hangs or only boots when he have a good mood |
| 23:23.32 | pancake | is this how the device works? |
| 23:23.38 | pancake | or both devices are buggy? |
| 23:23.55 | rhett | thanks rwhitby |
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| 23:29.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1221 has been created by mickey(AT)vanille-media.de |
| 23:29.01 | cdbot2 | * * 2.6.24 freezes on GTA01 |
| 23:29.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1221 |
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| 23:58.48 | dennda | are there any estimations available as to how long the battery lasts in "passive mode" (that is, if I am not actually using the phone but carrying it around in my pocket, able to receive phone calls and such) |
| 23:59.06 | raster | unknown |
| 23:59.13 | raster | thats suspend |
| 23:59.20 | raster | and it's being hevily worked on still |
| 23:59.22 | raster | heavily |