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| 00:15.26 | cesarb | Yeah, that fixed it |
| 00:18.37 | raster | lies! |
| 00:18.37 | raster | :) |
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| 00:41.20 | raster | feckin thing |
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| 00:43.30 | balrog-kun | heh |
| 00:44.29 | balrog-kun | just when i though my gta01 had been cured from powering up on its own after it has ran out of battery, i was going to power it up and i thouch the screen and it turns out it was on |
| 00:44.43 | stefan_schmidt | s/a/an/ |
| 00:45.49 | raster | stefan_schmidt: where did u find that? |
| 00:46.34 | stefan_schmidt | raster: killed now, I'll let you know when I get it again. |
| 00:46.46 | stefan_schmidt | raster: Just on my way to design a layout with edje. |
| 00:47.10 | raster | you can make endless loops in edje design |
| 00:47.11 | stefan_schmidt | raster: In what state is the edje_editor? |
| 00:47.16 | raster | circular dependencies |
| 00:47.20 | stefan_schmidt | raster: I guess by-hand is better? |
| 00:47.24 | raster | BUT it should detect them and abort the loop |
| 00:47.35 | raster | and i'd advise "by hand" |
| 00:47.36 | raster | :) |
| 00:47.43 | stefan_schmidt | raster: I'm not looping at all, just some fonts, colors, sizes... |
| 00:47.57 | raster | hmmm |
| 00:48.04 | raster | if u find it again - let me know |
| 00:48.10 | raster | i'd want to reproduce and fix |
| 00:48.10 | stefan_schmidt | sure |
| 00:48.44 | stefan_schmidt | I'm changing this edc a lot atm, so not sure if it will come back |
| 00:49.15 | stefan_schmidt | You just like the edc then or gdb output? |
| 00:50.04 | stefan_schmidt | raster: btw, the edje_book is totally outdated? |
| 00:50.34 | raster | everything |
| 00:50.38 | stefan_schmidt | :) |
| 00:50.39 | raster | the .edc |
| 00:50.42 | raster | what u did |
| 00:50.48 | stefan_schmidt | ack |
| 00:50.56 | raster | aconnect via gdb is its stuck and get a backtrace |
| 00:51.07 | raster | preferably live so i can ask u do print variables etc |
| 00:51.15 | raster | if i can get it to reproduce here - then i can do it all myself |
| 00:51.16 | raster | :) |
| 00:51.24 | stefan_schmidt | ok, will do when it happens again |
| 00:53.04 | raster | :) |
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| 01:48.23 | cesarb | I don't know if anyone already mentioned it here, but http://lwn.net/Articles/267436/ "Intel releases graphics programming manuals" |
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| 01:53.33 | Vegar | that is just awesome, cesarb |
| 01:54.19 | Vegar | now I really regret I didn't get a thinkpad with an intel card |
| 01:54.51 | cesarb | Vegar: first AMD half-does it, then Intel fully does it... now AMD just has to finish the other half, and it'll be only nVidia left |
| 01:54.59 | Vegar | hehe, yeah |
| 01:55.05 | Vegar | nvidia does have nv |
| 01:55.11 | Vegar | but that doesn't qualify |
| 01:55.23 | cesarb | I think Intel dropped this bomb just to one-up AMD, in fact :D |
| 01:55.38 | Vegar | intel has become very opensource friendly lately |
| 01:56.08 | Vegar | (lesswatts.org, for example) |
| 01:56.30 | cesarb | and "dropped" is the right term... at 1600 pages, this thing is HEAVY |
| 01:57.46 | thomasg | cesarb, iirc the amd/ati docs was about 5000 pages |
| 01:58.01 | cesarb | 7,5kg if I'm calculating it right |
| 01:58.14 | cesarb | thomasg: yeah, it was also "dropped" :D |
| 02:16.52 | KrisAbsinthe_ | gamin: Got the app to work, this is sweet! good work |
| 02:20.55 | Vegar | any luck on the framebuffer stuff, cesarb? |
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| 02:29.08 | cesarb | Vegar: yeah, so far I managed to make it flicker a bit less, and actually do the frequency transition correctly (instead of just ignoring it and letting it flicker) |
| 02:29.22 | Vegar | cool |
| 02:29.35 | SpeedEvil | yay. |
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| 02:30.10 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: have you bothered actaully working out what the minimum frequency is that it can work at? - theoretically |
| 02:30.13 | cesarb | Vegar: I still have to code the policy notifier for it, so it will not flicker at all (instead, it will limit the frequency range while enabled... I'm hoping the userspace actually disables the screen output together with the backlight!) |
| 02:30.23 | SpeedEvil | ram bandwidth, VGA clock speed, ... |
| 02:30.45 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: it "works" way down to 1000, but there it "flickers" (more like scrolls) badly |
| 02:31.02 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: 1000Khz? |
| 02:31.03 | Vegar | cesarb: from what I've heard on the MLs/IRC, the LCM is still on even when it's suspended |
| 02:31.16 | SpeedEvil | Vegar: it's not |
| 02:31.24 | SpeedEvil | Vegar: actually - suspended maybe |
| 02:31.25 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: I was unable to actually use the neo at that frequency... I do not know if it was crashed due to DMA eating all the memory bw, or it was just so slow I couldn't do anything |
| 02:31.27 | SpeedEvil | not off |
| 02:32.13 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: well, what matters for this code would be not whether the lcm chip is suspended, but whether the lcd block is |
| 02:33.34 | SpeedEvil | ah yes |
| 02:34.01 | SpeedEvil | but anyway, we need to do that too - RAM bandwidth + LCM block use isn't slow |
| 02:34.14 | SpeedEvil | but anyway, we need to do that too - RAM bandwidth + LCM block use isn't low |
| 02:34.54 | SpeedEvil | Call it 40M/s for the screen at VGA and nominal refresh. |
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| 02:35.00 | SpeedEvil | Also note my ADSL is being icky |
| 02:35.10 | SpeedEvil | so I may not respond in a timely fashion |
| 02:35.40 | SpeedEvil | so we need at least 40M/s memory bandwidth |
| 02:36.17 | SpeedEvil | In principle that might be available down to 12Mhz or so |
| 02:36.33 | cesarb | I think the point where the memory bandwidth starts being a problem is probably way below the point it starts to flicker |
| 02:36.53 | SpeedEvil | have you tried tweaking the freq on userside? |
| 02:37.10 | mwester-treo | Icky? Is that a technical term? ;-) |
| 02:37.11 | cesarb | It uses HCLK/4 at the top speed, and soon falls to HCLK/2, and cannot go any lower (the divider is (x+1)*2) |
| 02:37.26 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 02:37.45 | SpeedEvil | HCLK=? |
| 02:37.55 | SpeedEvil | F and P, yes |
| 02:38.09 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: I might not bother with a little bit of flicker, but the people I might show the neo to probably will |
| 02:38.15 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: H is between F and P |
| 02:38.21 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 02:38.37 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: FCLK is divided to get HCLK is divided to get PCLK |
| 02:38.38 | SpeedEvil | oh yeah - does it run the memory and LCM cont? |
| 02:39.00 | SpeedEvil | I assume HCLK=FCLK? |
| 02:39.33 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: HCLK is FCLK/2 at the high speed modes, and when FCLK falls below 133000 I'm setting it to FCLK/1 |
| 02:39.53 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: that makes sense. |
| 02:40.18 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: HCLK runs usb host, nand, memory, lcd, and some other things I don't identify... page 221 |
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| 02:40.54 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: so best theoretical case is some 25Mhz, assuming that the DRAM controller can get 4 bytes/HCLK |
| 02:41.16 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: doing cpufreq for the gta02 is going to be "fun"... its PLL can't change much (only to about 200MHz), but there seems to be a bit to run the cpu via HCLK instead of FCLK, and a lot more divider options |
| 02:41.19 | SpeedEvil | Lots lower at QVGA of course |
| 02:41.42 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: well, at 45000 I already get a lot of flicker |
| 02:42.23 | SpeedEvil | I assume you've neglected QVGA yet? |
| 02:43.07 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: so far, yes. I want VGA ;-) |
| 02:43.34 | SpeedEvil | Of course, qvga 8 bit mode'd let you go to stupidly low speeds, but... |
| 02:43.53 | KrisAbsinthe_ | is BT broken on the latest official build |
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| 02:44.48 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: if I do this code right, userspace selecting qvga would automagically expand the range of allowable frequencies, the same way killing gsmd currently does |
| 02:48.30 | cesarb | If the userspace "disabling" the LCD ultimately calls ->fb_blank, it looks like all the code does is to set a single register which tells the controller to output a single color for all the pixels |
| 02:48.56 | cesarb | If doing that stops the DMA, it would avoid problems going into deeper modes |
| 02:49.56 | cesarb | If, on the other hand, that simply fudges the palette but keeps reading from the framebuffer (which wouldn't surprise me at all), the bandwidth limit is still a problem |
| 02:50.24 | SpeedEvil | Not to mention the hideous power consumption |
| 02:50.51 | SpeedEvil | I need to measure that, |
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| 02:57.50 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: I changed the frequency table today to use different dividers (giving more speed to hclk and pclk where possible), so the kernel you have probably wouldn't be the best for the measurements |
| 02:59.54 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: apart from the 'recommended' ones? |
| 03:00.42 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: there are no recommended dividers, only PLL settings |
| 03:01.00 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: by dividers I mean the things which turn FCLK into HCLK and HCLK into PCLK |
| 03:01.11 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: CLKDIVN in the manual |
| 03:01.32 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: originally I was using 1:2:4 for the non-slow modes and 1:1:1 for the slow modes |
| 03:02.11 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: now I'm using 1:2:4 for speeds above 133000, 1:1:2 for speeds below it but above 66500, and 1:1:1 for the rest |
| 03:02.15 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 03:02.37 | SpeedEvil | Yeah - the 'right' way would be to actaully compute it |
| 03:02.38 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: sorry for being confusing with the terminology ;-) |
| 03:02.46 | SpeedEvil | and use the minimum possible |
| 03:03.09 | SpeedEvil | that's not really very trivial to work out though |
| 03:03.26 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: but that wouldn't fit in the cpufreq infrastructure at all... and I'm already bending it a bit :D |
| 03:04.00 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: the problem is that cpufreq only thinks about one clock, the cpu clock. I'm dealing with FOUR related clocks. |
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| 03:04.32 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: I had to do some hacks to pass the four clocks down to the notifiers... |
| 03:05.24 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: it also expects drivers to work in a range of frequencies. But (except for the picky serial driver) they work in a range of _divided_ frequencies, and the divider changes, meaning it's not a nice range when sorted by FCLK |
| 03:07.24 | SpeedEvil | Ickyness: |
| 03:08.18 | SpeedEvil | Pretend that possible-clock-frequency N is really several possible similar frequencies one for each divisor setting ordered in order of power use |
| 03:09.31 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: that won't work, due to the way the cpufreq governors work |
| 03:10.02 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: they call a function called "target" and pass it the requested frequency... but they have no ideas which frequencies the driver can use |
| 03:10.36 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: the driver is responsible for rounding it (up or down, the governor tells the driver which) to the nearest frequency and using that |
| 03:10.51 | SpeedEvil | I was assuming that your code to pick valid freqs could be abused |
| 03:11.09 | SpeedEvil | valid given the current operating state. |
| 03:11.11 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: ah, I get it |
| 03:11.20 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: marking the nonworking ones as not valid... |
| 03:11.31 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 03:11.50 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: but if I do it that way, I could instead mark in another table which option to use |
| 03:11.59 | SpeedEvil | indeed |
| 03:12.27 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: so for instance 45000 could be in fact three "options", but only one would be in use at one time |
| 03:12.35 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 03:13.09 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: I don't know if that would save much... the bus probably isn't much of a power waster |
| 03:13.55 | SpeedEvil | It's not the bus typically -- it's the stuff attached to it. |
| 03:14.45 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: and it would be of limited use on gta02, where you would need to tie the cpu to the bus frequency to change its frequency (the gta02 pll isn't as flexible, but the bus clock dividers are, and I saw a bit to make the cpu use the bus frequencies) |
| 03:15.11 | SpeedEvil | I need to read that datasheet properly |
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| 03:25.25 | raster | SpeedEvil: btw - u know about this:http://tree.celinuxforum.org/CelfPubWiki/ELCEurope2007Presentations?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ELC_2007_Linux_clock_fmw.pdf |
| 03:25.31 | raster | SpeedEvil: btw - u know about this: http://tree.celinuxforum.org/CelfPubWiki/ELCEurope2007Presentations?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ELC_2007_Linux_clock_fmw.pdf |
| 03:25.35 | raster | there |
| 03:25.47 | SpeedEvil | are those the same? |
| 03:25.51 | raster | yeah |
| 03:25.56 | raster | just added the space befroe http |
| 03:25.57 | raster | :) |
| 03:26.13 | raster | a multi-clock shifting arch |
| 03:29.33 | SpeedEvil | that seems to be interesting. |
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| 03:29.42 | raster | heard about it last week |
| 03:29.55 | raster | thought it might be relevant to you |
| 03:29.55 | raster | ) |
| 03:30.04 | SpeedEvil | cesarb is the one doing the coding ATM. |
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| 03:30.20 | cesarb | raster: interesting, but not much new there |
| 03:30.35 | SpeedEvil | AIUI much of that is implemented |
| 03:30.57 | SpeedEvil | (small quantities of FM I2C radio chips to be specific) |
| 03:31.07 | raster | cesarb: havent looked to deeply into it |
| 03:31.09 | cesarb | raster: more of a "this should exist" kind of thing (the interface described in the first half of slides is already there, but doesn't do much other than enabling/disabling and get_rate(), at least on arm) |
| 03:31.09 | raster | it is a talk |
| 03:31.14 | raster | no idea whats behind it all |
| 03:31.26 | smlsfb | SpeedEvil, they won't sample you a couple? |
| 03:31.31 | smlsfb | little social engineering ;) |
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| 03:31.47 | SpeedEvil | some makers do free samples easily |
| 03:31.51 | SpeedEvil | NXP doesn't |
| 03:32.02 | smlsfb | oh, that's too bad |
| 03:32.10 | SpeedEvil | The nicest ones even let you buy small quantities online. |
| 03:32.20 | smlsfb | my brother's built up a pretty good library of chips from samples :) |
| 03:32.29 | SpeedEvil | I'm currently getting annoyed at lack of ability to buy 'wierd' parts. |
| 03:32.57 | SpeedEvil | I2C FM radio, JPEG codec and such. |
| 03:33.00 | smlsfb | is it used in any cheap products? could you de-solder it from a $5 toy? |
| 03:33.04 | SpeedEvil | In ones that is. |
| 03:33.23 | SpeedEvil | I'd like to be able to go into small scale production for some of this. |
| 03:33.34 | SpeedEvil | For which desoldeirng is annoying. |
| 03:33.43 | smlsfb | heh, very true |
| 03:33.47 | SpeedEvil | For example, a FM radio module that plugs into your neos debug port |
| 03:34.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1213 has been created by kevin(AT)foreverdean.info |
| 03:34.01 | cdbot2 | * * Bluetooth Power Toggle doesn't work from neod menu. |
| 03:34.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1213 |
| 03:42.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1214 has been created by kevin(AT)foreverdean.info |
| 03:42.01 | cdbot2 | * * Typo in Bluetooth Status change popup |
| 03:42.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1214 |
| 03:51.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1215 has been created by kevin(AT)foreverdean.info |
| 03:51.02 | cdbot2 | * * Solo is unplayable |
| 03:51.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1215 |
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| 04:11.40 | matthew_ | i hate to say this, but if the neo's hardware can't do video playback, then we really should just scrap it and start over. i hope fic is looking into this a bit closer. |
| 04:12.53 | br3n | it will its just noone has written the graphics accel yet (from what i understand) |
| 04:13.19 | br3n | freerunner definitely will |
| 04:13.21 | matthew_ | i had heard that it's a hardware problem |
| 04:13.33 | matthew_ | that it's not powerful enough |
| 04:15.08 | matthew_ | or i should say, not powerful enough to play decent resolution at a decent framerate |
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| 04:26.12 | raster | matthew_: its a phone - not a portable media player |
| 04:26.47 | raster | we arnt scrapping phones because you dont get your high-def h264 playback :) |
| 04:26.47 | raster | :) |
| 04:27.42 | matthew_ | i think that's a mistake |
| 04:28.07 | raster | scrapping a whole hardware line is a bigger one |
| 04:28.15 | raster | the costs involved in creatign it are huge |
| 04:28.38 | raster | like 7 digits |
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| 04:30.04 | matthew_ | it's not going to crossover past enthusiasts unless it can player videos at a decent res. not unless you can price it to compete with the razr |
| 04:30.33 | raster | have u got a gta02? |
| 04:30.42 | raster | or a gta01? |
| 04:31.51 | matthew_ | no |
| 04:32.39 | raster | then... i suggest you get one before commenting :):) |
| 04:32.57 | raster | though gta02 isnt available.. yet |
| 04:32.59 | raster | ok |
| 04:33.00 | raster | gotta run |
| 04:33.03 | raster | ... |
| 04:33.13 | matthew_ | commenting based on what developers have said |
| 04:33.48 | raster | no one outside of openmoko has a gta02 (or specific contractors) |
| 04:33.51 | kdean06 | I'd really think that the Neo (and Freerunner's) audience wouldn't exactly care. I mean, there's a plethora of devices that can do that. Either they already have them (and don't need a Freerunner) or they don't have them because they want somehting MORE from their device that what already exists (like Freedom). |
| 04:34.06 | raster | gta01 is capable of video playback - maybe not fulslcreen. but it can |
| 04:34.09 | raster | its enough grunt |
| 04:34.22 | raster | for the standard crappy videos u see on featurephones |
| 04:34.25 | raster | ie qvga or less |
| 04:34.30 | kdean06 | The screen is too small for any useful video playback anyway. |
| 04:34.36 | raster | the code simply isnt good enouhg to do it well |
| 04:34.40 | raster | anyway |
| 04:34.41 | raster | bbl |
| 04:35.13 | mwester | Who want's to watch a video on a cell phone anyway? (I've never been able to figure that out anyway. I mean, can you even tell what sport the players are playing, for example? |
| 04:35.18 | mwester | ) |
| 04:35.36 | br3n | ice - hockey on a phone must be good |
| 04:35.42 | mwester | hehe! |
| 04:35.47 | kdean06 | mwester, The best I can imagine that would be useful, in all honesty, is YouTube. |
| 04:36.04 | kdean06 | Crappy quality, pointless, caters to short attention span. |
| 04:36.08 | matthew_ | it's good for travel |
| 04:36.15 | mwester | Yeah, and youtube sure has *loads* of video that *I* want to watch (<- sarcasm) |
| 04:36.28 | br3n | mwester, you old git |
| 04:36.31 | mwester | :) |
| 04:36.50 | mwester | The only good thing I saw on youtube was "will it blend?" |
| 04:36.51 | kdean06 | matthew_, I like having features, don't get me wrong. But seriously, what can you POSSIBLY do with video playback on a Neo that is SO important the lack of it is a "deal-breaker"? |
| 04:37.05 | br3n | mwester, git being of course one of highest terms of praise.... |
| 04:37.10 | mwester | :P |
| 04:37.52 | kdean06 | mwester, There are YouTube videos of someone demonstrating the OpenMoko browser and Media Player. :) Those are neat, I think. |
| 04:37.54 | matthew_ | kdean06: it's a deal breaker because I have limited pocket space. If my 6 year old Zire 71 can do decent video playback, a brand new smartphone should be able to no problem. |
| 04:38.22 | br3n | matthew_, it can just not yet..... |
| 04:38.37 | matthew_ | well i hope you are right on that |
| 04:38.46 | br3n | matthew_, go and look at the kernel page on wiki to see the things they are concentrating on.... |
| 04:38.58 | kdean06 | I dunno, personally, I don't think of Neo as a smartphone. I think of the iPhone as one, and it doesn't appeal to me one bit. Neo is a libre phone, and I dropped cash for that. |
| 04:39.09 | mwester | matthew_: It's a little more complicated than that. There are compromises that must be made in the design based on the features that need to be supported, and video playback is a serious demand on certain resources. |
| 04:39.23 | kdean06 | I don't see anything particularly special about OpenMoko and the hardware aside from the freedom standpoint. |
| 04:39.39 | kdean06 | Again, it was that aspect that sold me the unit. |
| 04:40.17 | mwester | Yeah, the hardware is nothing ground-breaking. Other than it's open (in most ways, anyway). |
| 04:40.33 | matthew_ | kdean06: sure, but NIC is not going to turn a profit selling strickly to enthusiasts. |
| 04:40.38 | mwester | Frankly, the iPhone is much more interesting from a design point-of-view. |
| 04:40.51 | kdean06 | If you care about features above everything else, I'm sure you can find a restrictive product that you could buy tomorrow that will have all the features you want. |
| 04:40.58 | mwester | But good luck getting any specs to write drivers from Apple on that!! |
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| 04:41.44 | balrog-kun | one year ago neo1973 was a pretty advanced hardware imho |
| 04:41.48 | mwester | matthew_: Openmoko (the software stack) will run on other hardware as well, ultimately. |
| 04:41.51 | balrog-kun | but everything's moved forward really fast |
| 04:41.57 | kdean06 | matthew_, The biggest iPhone outrage was the lack of third-party development. Google is pushing forward with Android to ensure an open platform. Sure, people aren't going to say "Oh! Source code... Gotta buy that." but do an eBay search for "Unlocked" phones... Neo is one... |
| 04:42.19 | matthew_ | mwester: good point, i look forward to the next openmoko-powered touch phone |
| 04:42.41 | matthew_ | mwester: but i think android might have swallowed the market by that point |
| 04:42.49 | kdean06 | balrog-kun, Everything moves fast... Except Freerunner's release. :P |
| 04:43.00 | mwester | matthew_: Android is vaporware still. |
| 04:43.06 | mwester | matthew_: And it's closed. |
| 04:43.16 | mwester | matthew_: Plus, it's Java. Yuck. |
| 04:43.42 | matthew_ | mwester: so is neo (vaporware, that is) |
| 04:43.56 | kdean06 | matthew_, Really? I have one. :) |
| 04:44.08 | kdean06 | Want pictures? |
| 04:44.10 | mwester | "Mr. shopkeeper, I'd like to add a new app to my android-powered phone. I'll take one software application, and an additional 512MB of RAM, with a larger battery for my phone, please." |
| 04:44.22 | kdean06 | http://www.monochromementality.com/index.php/blog/show/OpenMoko---My-first-impressions.html |
| 04:44.28 | matthew_ | can you do anything with it besides throw it at birds ;) |
| 04:44.42 | kdean06 | It's replaced my RAZR. |
| 04:44.53 | kdean06 | I use it to call and send text messages. |
| 04:45.03 | kdean06 | I occasionally listen to music. |
| 04:45.06 | mwester | matthew_: If you give me your phone number, I can call you and you can hear the bird squawk when I hit it with the phone. |
| 04:45.35 | kdean06 | Frak... |
| 04:45.44 | matthew_ | has the battery already died by the time you get to work in the morning? ;) |
| 04:45.48 | kdean06 | I need to remvoe the trackback stuff from my site. :( |
| 04:45.52 | kdean06 | No. |
| 04:46.14 | kdean06 | Actually, it lasted me several hours today and still showed full charge... WHich surprised me, honestly. |
| 04:46.27 | kdean06 | I've had it die after a few hours. :( |
| 04:46.32 | kdean06 | But it did well today. :) |
| 04:46.43 | Kero | battery applet dead? |
| 04:46.47 | kdean06 | No. |
| 04:46.55 | kdean06 | Phone was just still working. :) |
| 04:47.17 | kdean06 | matthew_, I review each nightly build -> http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Snapshot_review/2008-01-31 |
| 04:47.21 | kdean06 | That's the latest snapshot. |
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| 04:48.49 | matthew_ | i've read those, they are quite good |
| 04:49.49 | matthew_ | a year ago the answer to those questions was usually "no" |
| 04:49.57 | kdean06 | Three weeks ago. :) |
| 04:50.22 | kdean06 | SMS is still the "new" feature and it went from nothing to working well almost overnight. |
| 04:50.31 | matthew_ | but it still sounds like release is several months away, not a few |
| 04:51.00 | kdean06 | I'm blown away at how many people misinterpret that... |
| 04:51.06 | matthew_ | i thought sms had been there for a while |
| 04:51.34 | kdean06 | matthew_, The Freerunner hardware will be released in a few months. OpenMoko will not go "Mass market" until the software is ready, and they've NEVER publicly speculated to when that will be. |
| 04:52.04 | kdean06 | The Freerunner hardware will not be released the same day as mass market. |
| 04:52.35 | matthew_ | huh? |
| 04:52.40 | kdean06 | There's going to be a developer-only release like the GTA01 has now, and focus will shift to the software. |
| 04:52.43 | matthew_ | freerunner is a development version? |
| 04:53.40 | matthew_ | well, i can tell you why people misinterpret that, it's scattered all over the openmoko webpage that gta02 = mass market ;) |
| 04:53.47 | kdean06 | No, it is the same hardware that will eventually make it mass market. But the first hardware will ship to developers, like the GTA01 currently does. The release of Freerunner and the mass market release are NOT the same event. |
| 04:54.19 | kdean06 | No, it says Free Runner WILL BE mass market it does NOT say "will be mass market from day 1" which MANY people assume. |
| 04:55.26 | matthew_ | well, i never paid attention to the release dates anyways |
| 04:55.37 | matthew_ | following the development gives you a pretty good idea of the timeline involved |
| 04:56.49 | Kero | ... tomorrow :) |
| 04:57.09 | kdean06 | I have no direct ties to OpenMoko Inc so I really don't care what their business plan is as long as they sell me the hardware. I care long run, cause I want GTA03 too. :) But if Freerunner is available to me in March, I'll buy it, and I don't care if it ever goes mainstream. |
| 04:57.38 | KrisAbsinthe_ | thats about how i feel lol |
| 04:57.41 | kdean06 | My phones have traditionally expended what I do with my phones, not the other way around. |
| 04:57.58 | kdean06 | Until I got my Neo, I didn't care about music playback. |
| 04:58.06 | kdean06 | And until I got my RAZR, I never used SMS. :) |
| 04:58.20 | matthew_ | i still don't use sms |
| 04:58.24 | kdean06 | Freerunner might make me think Wifi is important. :) |
| 04:58.31 | matthew_ | too expensive |
| 04:58.50 | kdean06 | SMS = Included in my service plan. :) |
| 04:58.54 | matthew_ | wifi + im client = free sms equivalent |
| 04:59.03 | kdean06 | SMS, Voice, Data all unlimited for me. |
| 04:59.11 | matthew_ | i guess you live in europe |
| 04:59.14 | kdean06 | USA |
| 04:59.26 | kdean06 | I live outside of Washington DC. |
| 04:59.32 | kdean06 | WAY outside. :P |
| 04:59.37 | matthew_ | what carrier |
| 04:59.48 | kdean06 | T-Mobile... been with them for 5 years and I love them. |
| 04:59.56 | matthew_ | ohh, i have t-mobile too |
| 05:00.09 | kdean06 | Contract or pay as you go? |
| 05:00.15 | matthew_ | you don't really have free sms, you are paying for a package that includes unlimited |
| 05:00.17 | br3n | kdean06, steady ..... they are only a phone co |
| 05:01.05 | matthew_ | what is "pay as you go"? |
| 05:01.12 | kdean06 | br3n, I know, but they've given me good customer service, excellent call quality, free upgrades for loyalty (they brought it up, not me)... |
| 05:01.24 | br3n | ok enuff already |
| 05:01.44 | kdean06 | matthew_, Where you buy blocks of minutes and refill as you use them. |
| 05:01.55 | kdean06 | Okay.. |
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| 05:01.55 | matthew_ | prepaid, you mean? |
| 05:01.59 | kdean06 | Yeah. |
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| 05:02.09 | matthew_ | ohh, no. not under contract either though |
| 05:02.38 | kdean06 | Okay, you're right... I do pay for unlimited SMS, but I suppose the "feature" that's good is not having to think about what my useage costs. |
| 05:02.38 | matthew_ | my contract expired a long time ago |
| 05:02.49 | kdean06 | If I had to pay like $0.10 a SMS I'd never use it. |
| 05:03.03 | kdean06 | Or if i had to think "Do I have minutes?" I'd never use it. |
| 05:05.21 | matthew_ | wait a second, you have unlimited minutes too? |
| 05:08.17 | vininim | just for the record |
| 05:08.23 | vininim | i'm a developer and want my GTa02 =p |
| 05:10.05 | matthew_ | i'm a developer too, i write bash scripts. send me a free neo ;) |
| 05:10.05 | kdean06 | matthew_, I honestly don't know. Either I have unlimited or more that I use. |
| 05:10.53 | matthew_ | kdean06: must be more than you use, i don't think an unlimited plan exists, unless it's unadvertised and super duper expensive. i have the lowest plan and still have more than i use ;) |
| 05:11.36 | KrisAbsinthe_ | AT&T unlimited SMS is $30 for the whole family |
| 05:11.48 | kdean06 | I know I do have some "unadvertised" features. I DO have unlimited free data on both phones as a loyalty bonus. |
| 05:12.30 | kdean06 | KrisAbsinthe_, Ouch. :( |
| 05:12.33 | matthew_ | loyalty bonus, wtf? |
| 05:13.08 | KrisAbsinthe_ | I have 5 lines we send about 6000 messages a month so $30 is ok |
| 05:14.11 | kdean06 | Okay, I suppose that's not too bad then. |
| 05:14.14 | kdean06 | Well... |
| 05:14.16 | kdean06 | Hrm.. |
| 05:14.20 | kdean06 | Somewhere in the middle. :) |
| 05:15.06 | matthew_ | t-mobile is $15. i'd probably get it if it were $5 |
| 05:15.11 | KrisAbsinthe_ | yeah, when I get the GTA02 ill give my wife the 01 and get a unlimited data plan....bet that will suck |
| 05:15.46 | kdean06 | I THINK (but not sure) unlimited SMS is one of the features that CAN'T be put on a single T-Mobile line and it's $4.99 |
| 05:16.17 | smlsfb | gimme a sec and i'll check (i have a single tmobile line) |
| 05:17.26 | kdean06 | Ha ha ha ha. |
| 05:17.35 | smlsfb | "any 400 domestic messages: 4.99" |
| 05:17.37 | kdean06 | They won't let me change services because they dont' recognize the Neo. :) |
| 05:17.41 | smlsfb | 1000 for 9.99 |
| 05:17.56 | kdean06 | Wow, you're right! |
| 05:18.04 | kdean06 | I never realized it wasn't unlimited .:P |
| 05:18.24 | kdean06 | Guess $30 for unlimited on 5 lines is pretty good then. :) |
| 05:18.34 | KrisAbsinthe_ | now that you know, you will go over lol |
| 05:18.45 | matthew_ | the thing about sms is, most people don't have unlimited plans, so they are stingy about using it. i know i am (i have no sms plan at all). |
| 05:18.53 | smlsfb | t-mobileweb is 5.99 |
| 05:18.59 | smlsfb | but it doesn't say anything about limits |
| 05:19.05 | kdean06 | smlsfb, But what the Neo uses is $19.99. :) |
| 05:19.08 | smlsfb | but it also doesn't say 'unlimited' |
| 05:19.41 | smlsfb | unlimited texts for 14.99 |
| 05:19.42 | kdean06 | smlsfb, T-Zones is a sub-set, it's nto full internet. But that IS unlimited (but downloads are pay-for-click) |
| 05:20.08 | smlsfb | no, the t-mobileweb looks like the gprs part |
| 05:20.19 | smlsfb | hotspot is 19.99, and that looks like t-zones |
| 05:20.44 | smlsfb | hotspot: Make the most of your time -- get unlimited high-speed wireless Internet access for your PDA or laptop at places you already go, including Starbucks, FedEx Kinko's, Borders Books and Music stores, Hyatt hotels, and airports. |
| 05:20.51 | kdean06 | T-Mobile Total Internet Add-on (valued at $19.99) |
| 05:20.58 | smlsfb | t-mobileweb: Search the mobile web, find directions to the places you want to go, get local, international and financial news, stock quotes, weather, sports, play online games, email, community chat and more, right at your fingertips anywhere you go. |
| 05:21.09 | smlsfb | huh, i don't see that option |
| 05:21.18 | smlsfb | i must not be a "loyal" customer ;) |
| 05:21.35 | kdean06 | smlsfb, Log in, it will be one of your options to the side under the services menu. |
| 05:22.07 | smlsfb | yeah, i'm under change plan & services |
| 05:22.11 | kdean06 | It shows on my bill, I just get it credited. It's essentially the data plan they put on their Blackberries. |
| 05:22.27 | matthew_ | smlsfb: i've been with t-mobile since it was called powertel, 1999ish and i've never been offered any loyalty upgrades. |
| 05:22.40 | kdean06 | Ouch. :( |
| 05:22.47 | smlsfb | i've only owned a cell phone for about ... 18 months now |
| 05:22.59 | smlsfb | but tmobile has been pretty nice to me |
| 05:23.04 | kdean06 | matthew_, Have you been floating your contract the whole time? |
| 05:23.09 | matthew_ | they are nice to me too |
| 05:23.15 | smlsfb | i had problems getting random texts because i got a recycled number |
| 05:23.30 | smlsfb | did you know they will not disable texts for you? |
| 05:23.34 | matthew_ | i'm sure they only offer freebies to big spender, i generally have had one of the lowest priced contracts available for most of that time |
| 05:23.46 | smlsfb | my plan is 29.99 :) |
| 05:24.16 | matthew_ | smlsfb: yes, i have gotten spam sms too. what you do is go on the website and block out texts from your tmobile email address |
| 05:24.23 | smlsfb | so they credited the texts and gave a couple free ones instead |
| 05:24.46 | smlsfb | i think they tried that |
| 05:24.50 | smlsfb | i don't get them anymore tho |
| 05:24.53 | kdean06 | matthew_, I'm in my account right now and my plan is "low".. I suppose I just never use them. I'm on the lowest "Family Share Plan" - 700 minutes. I've got the 400 SMS add-on and I've got the T-Mobile Total Internet Add-on which I get credited for. |
| 05:25.03 | kdean06 | I'm not a "big spender" I think. |
| 05:25.20 | matthew_ | they must just hate me i guess |
| 05:25.25 | smlsfb | kdean06, what do you mean you get 'credited' for the internet add-on? |
| 05:25.31 | smlsfb | charged and then refunded? |
| 05:25.40 | kdean06 | matthew_, Does the panel not say anything about "Upgrades" on the side? |
| 05:26.05 | kdean06 | I know at the LEAST, after you complete a 2-year contract they give you 50% off a new phone. |
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| 05:26.26 | kdean06 | And I'm SURE that's the case, they put a little blow in card with your bill. :) |
| 05:27.17 | smlsfb | btw, does anyone use t-mobile in NY with the gta01? is 850 coverage a problem at all? |
| 05:27.50 | kdean06 | smlsfb, Yes. It shows on my list as if I'm paying for it, but it also shows that amount being credited on my bill each month. |
| 05:28.30 | smlsfb | nice :) |
| 05:28.37 | KrisAbsinthe_ | ask patrick davilla in a couple days |
| 05:28.42 | matthew_ | do you contact them a lot or something? |
| 05:28.59 | kdean06 | Once a month. :) |
| 05:29.07 | matthew_ | you pay over the phone? |
| 05:29.08 | kdean06 | And I enclose money. |
| 05:29.18 | kdean06 | No, I pay online. |
| 05:29.19 | smlsfb | KrisAbsinthe_, is he getting the modded gta01? |
| 05:29.23 | matthew_ | ezpay? |
| 05:29.30 | KrisAbsinthe_ | Yeah, i had it first heheh |
| 05:29.34 | kdean06 | My bank's online pay. |
| 05:29.43 | smlsfb | hah, lucky :) |
| 05:29.52 | matthew_ | just wondering when you're talking to them that they're offering you free stuff |
| 05:30.11 | kdean06 | matthew_, When I call them for my upgrades every year. :) |
| 05:30.33 | KrisAbsinthe_ | we have a wiki set up he will update it soon,, but there are coverage maps on there too, by frequencies |
| 05:30.34 | matthew_ | heh, you call and say "i want something free?" i might have to try that |
| 05:30.41 | kdean06 | You don't always do that? |
| 05:30.50 | matthew_ | heh, no |
| 05:31.00 | smlsfb | yeah, i was watching that page and the mailing list |
| 05:31.01 | kdean06 | matthew_, No joke, I DO that all the time. You'd be AMAZED at how often they do it. |
| 05:31.28 | matthew_ | geez, that's awesome |
| 05:31.29 | kdean06 | matthew_, My love of T-Mobile comes from giving me free things, and I really DO recommend them... It's worth it to them. |
| 05:32.02 | kdean06 | Call them and say "I've been a memeber for X years and Iv'e never been told about the upgrade plans. I want free data, can you do that for me?" |
| 05:32.57 | kdean06 | Or whatever... A new phone, sms... |
| 05:32.57 | matthew_ | i don't know, i'm not that kind of person. it's not in my blood to ask for handouts |
| 05:33.20 | kdean06 | Your loss. :) |
| 05:33.57 | matthew_ | plus i'm using an unrecognized phone |
| 05:34.05 | kdean06 | I'd not walk up to a stranger and ask for free stuff (unless that stranger was the representitive of a company). |
| 05:34.26 | kdean06 | But I pay them, and they want me to be a customer so they make it worthwhile for me. :) |
| 05:34.41 | matthew_ | i might have to do it |
| 05:35.05 | kdean06 | matthew_, Have you ever seen this? -> http://www.the39dollarexperiment.com/ |
| 05:35.59 | matthew_ | hah, that sounds like a good idea |
| 05:36.43 | kdean06 | that site inspired me. :) |
| 05:37.12 | kdean06 | I'm not poor, I'm just cheap. I make a killing at trade shows. :) |
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| 05:37.22 | kdean06 | I've got a USB Lava lamp from Intel. :) |
| 05:38.31 | kdean06 | I dunno if lava lamp is right... Same premise, fluid inside, light below but it's got glitter in clear fluid, not the waxy stuff. |
| 05:39.15 | matthew_ | don't put it on a stove |
| 05:39.29 | kdean06 | lol |
| 05:39.36 | KrisAbsinthe_ | that would be stupid....but the microwave...... |
| 05:40.31 | kdean06 | My microwave is reserved for CD-Rs |
| 05:41.01 | KrisAbsinthe_ | and kittens |
| 05:41.19 | mwester | ~lart KrisAbsinthe_ |
| 05:41.19 | apt | calls KrisAbsinthe_ on the phone ... the lights are on but nobody's home |
| 05:41.34 | kdean06 | :( |
| 05:41.59 | kdean06 | I like kittens. One of my junk email addresses is currently beercat6. :) |
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| 05:42.21 | KrisAbsinthe_ | have you seen that dune-cat image |
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| 05:44.00 | kdean06 | Weird... I just noticed... I think I know where that guys lives. :) |
| 05:48.12 | KrisAbsinthe_ | what guy |
| 05:49.06 | smlsfb | i always wondered where companies got "real customer testimonials" |
| 05:49.22 | smlsfb | now i understand that it was just some people trying to get free stuff by buttering them up :) |
| 05:50.55 | kdean06 | KrisAbsinthe_, The guy who did http://www.the39dollarexperiment.com/ |
| 05:51.46 | matthew_ | the stuff he got isn't worth the time imo |
| 05:53.01 | kdean06 | Do you buy any of those products? |
| 05:53.10 | kdean06 | I'd LOVE a free tube of Carmex. :) |
| 05:53.44 | kdean06 | Plus, the idea of getting free stuff is cool on it's own. :P |
| 05:53.53 | kdean06 | I'm not too keen on coupons. :I( |
| 05:54.07 | matthew_ | yeah, i don't do coupons |
| 05:54.57 | mwester | Coupons are sometimes useful. It's rebates that are the all-time ripoff. |
| 05:55.09 | smlsfb | http://www.totallyfreecrap.com/ |
| 05:55.20 | matthew_ | i prefer rebates to coupons |
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| 05:55.43 | matthew_ | feel like a bum using coupons |
| 05:55.45 | smlsfb | the people at my last apartment are probably *still* getting random things |
| 05:56.37 | mwester | Tigerdirect.com sent me to some online place to claim a rebate last time I ordered from them; the ******* forced me to give them a valid email address in order to get my rebate. SPAM, SPAM, SPAM. (of course I gave them a fake email, but still...) |
| 05:58.21 | kdean06 | I'm the opposite... I HATE rebates.. Like "I buy this item, which you CAN sell for $50 less than you normally do, but you make ME send in all that crap... |
| 05:59.00 | kdean06 | I don't carry coupons because I buy everything on impulse. |
| 05:59.07 | kdean06 | Whatever happened to SALES? |
| 06:01.38 | matthew_ | i don't do coupons because i feel cheap bringing out a piece of paper to get 15 cents off a can of soup. i can do rebates from the privacy of my home and no one can judge me! |
| 06:01.53 | kdean06 | lol |
| 06:02.23 | kdean06 | It seems that the person in your statement was you. :P You feel cheap using coupons even if nobody sees? |
| 06:02.46 | kdean06 | You know... The rebate handler people... Their job is to send you money. |
| 06:03.03 | kdean06 | Can you really go home pissed from a day of doing that? |
| 06:03.50 | kdean06 | Unless it's one of those places that really suck that take pride in finding issues with the form... |
| 06:03.55 | matthew_ | sure, sounds lieka thankless job |
| 06:04.55 | matthew_ | not sure about you, but i didn't dream about becoming some random guy who processes paperwork when i was a kid. |
| 06:05.24 | vininim | so... how is NASA going? |
| 06:05.57 | kdean06 | lol |
| 06:06.28 | matthew_ | heh |
| 06:06.56 | kdean06 | matthew_, Reminds me of a line from "What I learned from the movies" "Sure, Star Wars taught us to embrace our galactic destiny... That's all well and good when your destiny is cool like Lukes, but it sucks for the guy who's destined to clean toilets." |
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| 07:04.16 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe_: still awake? |
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| 10:17.08 | der_papst_623 | hello |
| 10:17.26 | der_papst_623 | "speaks" moko OpenGL and SDL? |
| 10:18.06 | der_papst_623 | i heard moko has a graphicprozessor for 2d/3d-acceleration... |
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| 10:22.34 | SpeedEvil | 2d only |
| 10:22.53 | SpeedEvil | 3d won't have drivers in the forseeable future |
| 10:23.23 | der_papst_623 | and what's the actual status? |
| 10:23.23 | der_papst_623 | i just read openmoco.org |
| 10:23.29 | der_papst_623 | there were 2 modells |
| 10:23.36 | der_papst_623 | a "beta" modell and a final model |
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| 10:24.01 | der_papst_623 | when will the final version be released? |
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| 10:24.24 | der_papst_623 | or is this in the shop the final version? |
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| 10:26.23 | der_papst_623 | oh, "...products are not meant for the end user..." |
| 10:26.42 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 10:26.53 | SpeedEvil | Expect it in shops at the very earliest christmas |
| 10:26.59 | SpeedEvil | and that's very unlikely |
| 10:27.32 | SpeedEvil | It'll be available earlier - likely - but not polished to a state shops'd want to buy it |
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| 10:28.58 | der_papst_623 | are there hardware-differences between the developer- and final version? |
| 10:29.12 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 10:29.22 | der_papst_623 | damn... |
| 10:29.23 | SpeedEvil | no wifi or accel chip |
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| 10:30.30 | der_papst_623 | "It'll be available earlier - likely - but not polished to a state shops'd want to buy it" how do you mean that? |
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| 10:32.15 | smlsfb | hopefully, hardware will be well tested, and gta02 will go on sale with an incomplete user interface |
| 10:32.56 | der_papst_623 | but the difference to the version in shops will only be software, right? |
| 10:33.23 | SpeedEvil | Probably |
| 10:33.30 | SpeedEvil | that's the plan at the moment. |
| 10:33.56 | SpeedEvil | mobile phone shops will only stock something ready for users |
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| 10:34.30 | der_papst_623 | i'd buy a phone with software in beta |
| 10:34.43 | der_papst_623 | so i can upgrade to final |
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| 10:35.02 | der_papst_623 | i have to go, cu |
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| 10:45.55 | Taco | Does anyone know how to set the timezone on the neo1973? |
| 10:46.37 | smlsfb | tzconfig? |
| 10:46.41 | CM | rwhitby had a blog post about that |
| 10:47.11 | CM | Taco: http://www.rwhitby.net/blog/nslu2-linux/setting-the-openmoko-timezone.html |
| 10:47.11 | Taco | Thanks - I'll look at that. |
| 10:47.22 | CM | A bit old, but I guess it's still valid |
| 10:47.41 | Taco | Thanks CM! |
| 10:56.54 | Taco | If I may hazard another question - I just installed a newer version of rootfs, and with this version the keyboard for things like the terminal application is a phone-keyboard style widget. I guess this is now used so that you don't need a stylus. But I far preferred the old keyboard which did not require multiple presses to produce letters. Is there any way I can use the old keyboard widget that *did* require a stylus? |
| 10:58.35 | smlsfb | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Switching_Keyboards |
| 10:59.36 | Taco | Thank-you. |
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| 11:42.36 | zem_ | hi |
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| 12:08.03 | zem_ | does enyone now why there is this "cat /tmp/nmeaNP | gzip > /home/root/gps.gz" in the gllin startup script? |
| 12:08.25 | smlsfb | save fix to aid hot start? |
| 12:08.37 | smlsfb | but i would think that would be implemented in the module itself |
| 12:10.54 | SpeedEvil | it's to output the gps log to /root/gps.gz |
| 12:11.01 | SpeedEvil | The NMEA stream |
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| 12:17.38 | zem_ | smlsfb: as far as I can see it is working without when the GPS was already running for a while |
| 12:18.09 | smlsfb | that's fair |
| 12:18.48 | zem_ | SpeedEvil: yea but gllin already writes logs.. |
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| 12:22.08 | Frostshock | any news on when it will be released public? |
| 12:22.28 | SpeedEvil | tis now |
| 12:22.44 | SpeedEvil | glin that is |
| 12:22.49 | SpeedEvil | has been a while back |
| 12:23.03 | mjr | yeah gllin seems to crash on startup if the nmeaNP is not open for reading |
| 12:23.03 | Frostshock | its not ready for end users right? |
| 12:23.09 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 12:23.14 | SpeedEvil | No - the phone isnt' |
| 12:23.24 | zem_ | smlsfb: good guess... ;) |
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| 12:26.08 | zem_ | mjr: that was not the problem gpsd should already read from nmeaNP but as far as I see it is not reading fast enough |
| 12:27.26 | zem_ | Frostshock: I still can not take Phone calls with it |
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| 12:33.51 | zem_ | Anyway I modified the gpsd init script to create the nmeaNP so gpsd is started in Background |
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| 12:39.36 | smlsfb | zem_, was that how it was used? |
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| 12:40.53 | zem_ | smlsfb: almost, I didn't know excactly, just what I have seen while debugging |
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| 12:41.35 | smlsfb | cool :) |
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| 12:42.52 | smlsfb | unless someone wants to sell theirs cheap :) |
| 12:43.20 | SpeedEvil | I'll sell mine for only one ounce of gold. |
| 12:43.35 | smlsfb | before or after it crashes :) |
| 12:45.07 | SpeedEvil | I have real doubts that gold will crash soon |
| 12:45.15 | SpeedEvil | Especially as measured against gold. |
| 12:45.20 | zem_ | smlsfb: Oh, It is every Time the same think, you buy your device 3 Weeks bevor the new one comes out. |
| 12:45.47 | SpeedEvil | I'd bet a fairly large amount that it'll be >>$300 for the next few years |
| 12:45.54 | zem_ | smlsfb: in 3 Weeks this law will not be changed. |
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| 12:46.11 | SpeedEvil | Especially measured against the us dollar. |
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| 12:47.12 | smlsfb | zem_, thats why i buy most things used, but i really want a gta02 |
| 12:47.23 | smlsfb | <3 wifi. it's all over my college campus |
| 12:49.18 | zem_ | smlsfb: I already have WiFi within my Nokia but I used it very rarely in the past. |
| 12:49.39 | smlsfb | i use it all the time on my palm tx |
| 12:49.40 | raster | tghe 02 is more useful |
| 12:49.48 | smlsfb | but i hate carrying my tx and my cell phone |
| 12:49.55 | raster | 4x the built-in flash (64->256) |
| 12:49.57 | raster | faster cpu |
| 12:50.05 | raster | (400 not 266 - capable of 500 with tweaks) |
| 12:50.18 | raster | the 802.11 alone though should be worth it |
| 12:50.23 | smlsfb | are 8gb microsd available yet? |
| 12:50.42 | SpeedEvil | anyway. |
| 12:50.43 | smlsfb | or is max still 4gb |
| 12:51.04 | SpeedEvil | I'd say it's very unlikly that it'll be availble in march. |
| 12:51.23 | SpeedEvil | 8G is availale |
| 12:51.25 | SpeedEvil | and works |
| 12:51.30 | smlsfb | :) |
| 12:51.53 | mbuf | SpeedEvil, isn't it not possible just to make an early release of the gta02 hardware, atleast for developers? |
| 12:52.03 | SpeedEvil | I was meaning for purchase |
| 12:52.21 | smlsfb | i'll buy a developer version |
| 12:52.32 | SpeedEvil | it seems likely that they will test internally new hardware, then test it externally, then and only then put it on sale. |
| 12:53.01 | smlsfb | seems fair, given some people's complaints about batteries and usability of 01 |
| 12:53.18 | SpeedEvil | There is nothing wrong with the battery in 01. |
| 12:53.29 | SpeedEvil | It's solely a software problem. |
| 12:53.38 | smlsfb | right, but people are complaining about it. or at least one person very loudly |
| 12:54.45 | raster | smlsfb: no gta02's are going anywhere until we have it ready to go - hardware debugged etc. and all |
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| 12:55.01 | Stephmw | I've never expected anything in prototypes to work properly, and certainly not power management |
| 12:55.08 | SpeedEvil | raster: is there actual hardware that might suit as a release produced? |
| 12:55.25 | SpeedEvil | raster: or is it not even that far - the known buggy one still. |
| 12:55.33 | smlsfb | raster, that sounds fair |
| 12:56.10 | SpeedEvil | smlsfb: Another 'Ooops, it's triband' moment in a actual release phone would be horribly bad. |
| 12:56.16 | raster | SpeedEvil: i dont actually know |
| 12:56.27 | zem_ | smlsfb: Battery loading is a little bit tricky |
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| 12:56.44 | SpeedEvil | raster: K - I was just wondering if you'd gotten new hardware in the last month or so. |
| 12:56.56 | smlsfb | SpeedEvil, yeah, i'm waiting for them to test the mod'd phone in NY |
| 12:57.06 | zem_ | smlsfb: but it iss a Software Problem |
| 12:57.20 | raster | SpeedEvil: i have a gta02a4 |
| 12:57.24 | raster | not even an a5 yet |
| 12:57.39 | SpeedEvil | Battery would be almost completely solved if it powered off at 5% battery capacity. |
| 12:57.40 | raster | i got it mid-december or so |
| 12:57.47 | raster | before any a5's were done |
| 12:57.47 | SpeedEvil | With minor uboot changes |
| 12:57.54 | smlsfb | zem_, i understand that, but i still want wifi :) |
| 12:57.54 | SpeedEvil | Is there A5 hardware? |
| 12:58.07 | raster | yes - there definitely is |
| 12:58.10 | raster | about 20 has been made |
| 12:58.55 | SpeedEvil | The general assumption has been that these will be internally tested, then a batch will go out to external testers, then sales - like GTA01 - is this likely? |
| 12:59.05 | zem_ | smlsfb: you could use USB Wifi ;-) |
| 12:59.27 | SpeedEvil | bluetooth wifi! |
| 12:59.37 | smlsfb | zem_, ugh, a dongle? i bought my powerbook to get rid of the pcmcia card in my old laptop :) |
| 12:59.51 | smlsfb | SpeedEvil, not as pervasive on my campus ;) |
| 13:00.35 | zem_ | SpeedEvil: thought about it. |
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| 13:00.39 | SpeedEvil | smlsfb: I was meaning a portable bluetooth-wifi gateway. Which can be done, but is admittedtly very, very silly |
| 13:02.22 | SpeedEvil | s/can/has/ |
| 13:03.09 | smlsfb | work is over for me. time to go home |
| 13:03.18 | smlsfb | good luck to everyone working on the neo |
| 13:04.38 | raster | SpeedEvil: for now all i know is the units are internal only |
| 13:04.49 | raster | i.e. internal om devs and contractors only |
| 13:04.54 | raster | and then only if they need one |
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| 13:05.26 | zem_ | yea, I will take my shoes on, ans go for a ride, colecting some openstreetmap traces with the neo |
| 13:05.43 | SpeedEvil | zem_: #osm over on irc.oftc.net |
| 13:06.57 | Vegar | there's a #openstreetmap on freenode too |
| 13:06.59 | zem_ | SpeedEvil: this Evening, OK? Have to Expose myself on Daylight |
| 13:07.35 | SpeedEvil | Vegar: yeah - the irc.oftc one is 'official' - 111 users |
| 13:07.57 | Vegar | yeah, I know |
| 13:12.36 | zem_ | cu |
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| 14:17.54 | gamin | dunno if anybody is awake... if you are, I added a little video to my website, using tangoGPS on the neo. you can find it here: tangogps.org |
| 14:18.53 | gamin | watch, then download and enjoy gps and osm maps on your neo! |
| 14:19.38 | hhf423 | hi gamin |
| 14:19.41 | hhf423 | where to get the package / ipkg? |
| 14:19.59 | gamin | on the website |
| 14:20.14 | gamin | currently i offer no feed |
| 14:20.33 | gamin | but if there is demand, I can do |
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| 14:25.03 | hhf423 | ok, that worked |
| 14:25.07 | hhf423 | lemme reboot |
| 14:25.49 | hhf423 | I wonder if SMS will not work |
| 14:26.06 | gamin | hhf423: I'm running a recent build too. |
| 14:26.15 | hhf423 | s/not/now |
| 14:26.22 | gamin | the first time that sms works here |
| 14:26.56 | gamin | send and receive. |
| 14:27.46 | hhf423 | ah, that sounds promising :-) |
| 14:28.31 | gamin | I may start to use it as my daily phone |
| 14:28.54 | hhf423 | does powermanagement work now? |
| 14:29.10 | hhf423 | hmm, bloody thing does not ask for PIN. I thought that issue was gone. |
| 14:29.25 | gamin | didn't check. I'm most of the time close toa usb port... |
| 14:30.02 | hhf423 | last time I checked I got about 2,5h |
| 14:30.34 | gamin | I thought I get about 4h when screen off |
| 14:30.39 | hhf423 | I need more than that to use it as my mobile :-) |
| 14:30.52 | gamin | mintyboost? |
| 14:31.09 | hhf423 | minty? |
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| 14:32.02 | hhf423 | awww, crap. does not ask for pin |
| 14:32.04 | gamin | usb charger http://www.ladyada.net/make/mintyboost/ |
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| 14:34.45 | gamin | btw hhf423: does it work for you? |
| 14:35.06 | hhf423 | tangogps? |
| 14:35.10 | gamin | yes |
| 14:35.26 | hhf423 | it starts with a map from europe |
| 14:35.42 | gamin | yes |
| 14:35.54 | hhf423 | how can I see if it is trying to get a fix? |
| 14:36.08 | gamin | gpsd must be running |
| 14:36.46 | gamin | connect to gpsd with "nc localhost 2947" and type "r" |
| 14:37.09 | gamin | then you should see the nmea records |
| 14:37.48 | hhf423 | root@fic-gta01:~$ nc localhost 2947 |
| 14:37.50 | hhf423 | r |
| 14:37.51 | hhf423 | GPSD,R=1 |
| 14:38.04 | gamin | is gllin up? |
| 14:39.01 | gamin | GPSD,R=1 <- means only gpsd is running but doesn't get anything from /tmp/nmeaNP |
| 14:39.40 | hhf423 | ah |
| 14:39.49 | hhf423 | right, gllin was probably not running |
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| 14:44.02 | hhf423 | I start gpsd with gpsd /tmp/nmeaNP &, yes? |
| 14:46.11 | hhf423 | ah, gpsd -n /tmp/nmeaNP |
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| 14:46.53 | gamin | does work? |
| 14:47.44 | gamin | the -n switch is there to keep gpsd reading /tnp/nmeaNP, because gllin dies otherwise |
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| 14:49.34 | hhf423 | root@fic-gta01:~$ ps -ef |grep gll |
| 14:49.35 | hhf423 | root 1198 1197 0 12:07 ? 00:00:00 [gllin] <defunct> |
| 14:49.40 | hhf423 | is that normal? |
| 14:49.47 | gamin | no |
| 14:49.55 | gamin | that is a zombie |
| 14:51.57 | hhf423 | hmm, looks like my gllin runs for like 5 seconds, then dies |
| 14:52.16 | gamin | you have the ipkg gllin? |
| 14:52.51 | hhf423 | yes |
| 14:52.58 | gamin | you may try my script from the website |
| 14:53.07 | hhf423 | gllin_1.0+r350-r0_fic-gta01.ipk |
| 14:53.20 | gamin | I have that one too |
| 14:53.44 | gamin | root@fic-gta01:~$ uname -a |
| 14:53.45 | gamin | Linux fic-gta01 2.6.22.5-moko11 #1 PREEMPT Thu Nov 29 19:02:42 CET 2007 armv4tl |
| 14:54.27 | hhf423 | Linux fic-gta01 2.6.24-moko11 #1 PREEMPT Sat Feb 2 01:00:11 GMT 2008 armv4tl unknown |
| 14:54.47 | hhf423 | wayyy too cutting edge :-) |
| 14:54.55 | gamin | hey, I have a dinosaur there... |
| 14:56.26 | hhf423 | let me downgrade a bit |
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| 15:05.27 | hhf423 | flashing done |
| 15:08.13 | hhf423 | ok, now it asks for pin again |
| 15:09.33 | hhf423 | configuring |
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| 15:15.46 | hhf423 | rebooting |
| 15:19.14 | hhf423 | so, that looks better |
| 15:19.44 | hhf423 | now I need a fix |
| 15:26.51 | gamin | hhf423: got a fix? |
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| 15:34.59 | hhf423 | finally got a fix |
| 15:35.05 | gamin | cool |
| 15:36.03 | hhf423 | hmm, lost it again |
| 15:36.20 | hhf423 | but tangogps did pinpoint my locaktion |
| 15:36.28 | gamin | nice |
| 15:37.49 | SpeedEvil | windowsupdate.com seems down |
| 15:37.51 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 15:38.36 | gamin | good, a couple of people have now successfully tested it, I guess I an write an email to the list |
| 15:39.05 | gamin | SpeedEvil: the end of the world is close :) |
| 15:39.16 | gamin | hhf423: any other comments? |
| 15:39.47 | SpeedEvil | Someone was asking on another channel |
| 15:39.59 | SpeedEvil | They are usually sane, but decided to install windows XP today. |
| 15:40.04 | hhf423 | gamin: no, because I lost my fix I can not raelly test anything :-) |
| 15:40.26 | gamin | well, you can drag, zoom... |
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| 15:40.56 | hhf423 | right |
| 15:41.02 | hhf423 | weher does it get its data from? |
| 15:41.22 | gamin | openstreetmap.org |
| 15:41.43 | Seb` | french or not ? |
| 15:42.02 | SpeedEvil | There is some french data in OSM |
| 15:42.21 | hhf423 | pretty fast |
| 15:42.46 | hhf423 | oh, my street is not one there. a few surrounding streets though |
| 15:43.00 | SpeedEvil | Where are you hhf423 ? |
| 15:43.11 | SpeedEvil | Ah germany. |
| 15:43.32 | hhf423 | yep |
| 15:43.33 | SpeedEvil | ah - www.windowsupdate.com works |
| 15:43.35 | SpeedEvil | oops |
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| 15:44.14 | SpeedEvil | It's by nature quite variable. :) |
| 15:44.19 | gamin | hhf423: google maps work too, but OSM is free :) |
| 15:44.27 | Seb` | est-ce qu'il y'a des francais ? merci |
| 15:44.31 | SpeedEvil | In a very few places OSM is better than google et al. |
| 15:44.50 | gamin | Seb`: ta question? |
| 15:45.05 | Seb` | alors voila probleme de gps |
| 15:45.14 | Seb` | quand je le lance, ca reste toujours sur le meme truc |
| 15:45.29 | Seb` | y'a aucun coordonnées |
| 15:45.58 | gamin | Seb`: gllin marche? |
| 15:46.12 | Seb` | ben je le lance |
| 15:46.16 | Seb` | et quand je regarde les log |
| 15:46.21 | Seb` | y'a aucun coordonnée |
| 15:48.01 | gamin | bon, c'est mieux de ecrire un mail sur la liste de diffusion... |
| 15:49.11 | Seb` | sauf qu'en anglais je suis nul =) |
| 15:49.15 | Seb` | personne va rien comprendre |
| 15:49.38 | Seb` | ce que je veux dire |
| 15:49.46 | Seb` | ce'st que cette ligne reste toujours pareille |
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| 15:49.47 | Seb` | $GPGSA,A,1,,,,,,,,,,,,,11.2,5.0,10.0*36 |
| 15:51.03 | SpeedEvil | Le GPS a besoin d'être près d'une fenêtre ou à l'extérieur pour obtenir un signal. |
| 15:52.18 | gamin | Oh thanks SpeedEvil, I already felt bad for going against the netiquette, but seb is not identified and thus no pm possible |
| 15:52.29 | emdete | je ne parlez pas francais, ...some neo's gps antenna just dont work well |
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| 15:53.13 | SpeedEvil | I have google-translate, and a little french. I personally don't see a problem with occasional quetions |
| 15:54.20 | Seb` | i try |
| 15:55.26 | emdete | Seb`: i bought an extern antenne and since then it works just great |
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| 16:02.10 | Seb` | an externe antenne ? |
| 16:02.47 | bdove | stupid question: should the gps driver etc come with mokomakefile build? |
| 16:03.30 | SpeedEvil | possibly, but it's a binary |
| 16:03.58 | bdove | I do not seem to have any related items in rootfs and 3rd party ipk is giving me "bad magic" |
| 16:05.08 | wurp2|away | Seb`: you can attach an antenna to the gold plug on the side of your neo |
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| 16:05.30 | Seb` | where build ? |
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| 16:10.36 | hhf423 | gamin: what would be the link for google? just to see if it works |
| 16:11.42 | SpeedEvil | hlink for google? |
| 16:12.13 | hhf423 | tangogps link to use google maps |
| 16:12.18 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 16:12.27 | gamin | http://mt0.google.com/mt?n=404&v=w2.66&x=2&y=6&zoom=13&s=Gali |
| 16:12.46 | gamin | hhf423: you need to tick inversed and |
| 16:13.06 | gamin | hhf423: substitute 2 6 and 13 |
| 16:14.42 | gamin | hhf423: "just to see if it works" == scientific fair use test, i assume ;) |
| 16:15.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1216 has been created by audriusa(AT)bluewin.ch |
| 16:15.02 | cdbot2 | * * The text of the unselected tab in the tabbed pane (GtkNotebook) shows almost black on black. |
| 16:15.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1216 |
| 16:15.25 | hhf423 | gamin: substitue the with what? |
| 16:16.18 | gamin | hhf423: the link is just for one specific tile, thus x= and y= and zoom= must be %d |
| 16:16.28 | gamin | and not 2,6,13... |
| 16:17.03 | hhf423 | hmm, tango just crashed |
| 16:17.19 | hhf423 | while trying to do a new source |
| 16:17.57 | hhf423 | totally dead |
| 16:18.06 | hhf423 | reboot |
| 16:18.13 | gamin | hhf423: it was maybe downloading tiles, while you did? |
| 16:18.23 | hhf423 | possibly |
| 16:18.29 | gamin | hhf423: never had it crashing anything. |
| 16:18.48 | hhf423 | can not restart it, rebooting the neo now |
| 16:19.00 | gamin | hhf423: you may need to remove the gconf keys to get it running again |
| 16:19.18 | hhf423 | ok |
| 16:20.03 | gamin | hhf423: only if it crashes on start-up |
| 16:21.08 | hhf423 | WOW |
| 16:21.16 | hhf423 | I can get SMS with notification. |
| 16:21.28 | hhf423 | this is soo impressive :-) |
| 16:21.41 | gamin | yes, in 2008 :) |
| 16:24.26 | emdete | Seb`: yes, works wonderful |
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| 16:25.14 | hhf423 | hahaha |
| 16:25.25 | hhf423 | I can even send them! |
| 16:25.34 | hhf423 | brilliant |
| 16:26.08 | hhf423 | I can not see the number, when I am typing it in. blind SMSing |
| 16:26.36 | gamin | neither can i. you need to mark it to see if it is correct |
| 16:27.18 | gamin | maybe a theming thing? |
| 16:27.36 | hhf423 | bah, but who needs usability! greatly overrated! |
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| 16:29.36 | hhf423 | hmm, tango gps now does not load anymore |
| 16:31.29 | gamin | hhf423: gconftool-2 --type string --set /apps/tangogps/repo_name "OSM" |
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| 16:32.23 | gamin | and gconftool-2 --set /apps/tangogps/repos --type list "[OSM|http://tile.openstreetmap.org/%d/%d/%d.png|/media/card/Maps/OSM|0]" --list-type=string |
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| 16:32.51 | hhf423 | gamin: gets d-bus error |
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| 16:33.32 | gamin | hhf423: then it should work again. put it in a file and execute it from the neo. gconf is dbus and does not work via ssh |
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| 16:34.42 | gamin | or set your DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS corretly |
| 16:34.59 | hhf423 | (gconftool-2:1288): GConf-WARNING **: Client failed to connect to the D-BUS daemon: |
| 16:35.00 | hhf423 | Failed to execute dbus-launch to autolaunch D-Bus session |
| 16:35.02 | hhf423 | Error setting value: No D-BUS daemon running |
| 16:35.24 | hhf423 | when executing from a file |
| 16:36.04 | gamin | you can not do that via ssh |
| 16:36.21 | gamin | you need to execute it from a neo terminal |
| 16:36.34 | hhf423 | oh, ok |
| 16:39.07 | hhf423 | right, that works |
| 16:43.17 | hhf423 | but tango does not start either |
| 16:45.04 | gamin | start it from a terminal - it is very talkative |
| 16:45.23 | gamin | do you actually have /media/card? |
| 16:45.31 | hhf423 | I'll just reinstall |
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| 16:46.10 | KrisAbsinthe_ | how do i set my local system to compile for the neo. i used 'source setup-env' and ./configure still didi i686 |
| 16:46.55 | hhf423 | boy, the on screen keyboad is a pain |
| 16:47.25 | gamin | hhf423: x2x? |
| 16:47.35 | hhf423 | x2x? |
| 16:47.55 | gamin | using your desktop keyboard and mouse on the neo |
| 16:48.53 | gamin | man x2x - you may need to change the xconfig too. |
| 16:51.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1217 has been created by hndispatch-hhf423(AT)yahoo.de |
| 16:51.01 | cdbot2 | * * Phone number not shown when writing a new SMS / text message |
| 16:51.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1217 |
| 16:54.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1218 has been created by hndispatch-hhf423(AT)yahoo.de |
| 16:54.01 | cdbot2 | * * Receivers phone number not listed in sent/outgoing text (SMS) messages |
| 16:54.03 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1218 |
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| 17:27.02 | Ebbe | gamin: Do you need someone to test a program? Where can I get it? |
| 17:27.47 | gamin | hi Ebbe! still tangogps at tangogps.org |
| 17:33.11 | spydon | looks awesum gamin |
| 17:35.34 | gamin | spydon: thanks. still some work to do, but quite usable, at least for me |
| 17:35.56 | Ebbe | gamin: Looks fast on the video |
| 17:37.22 | gamin | Ebbe: that was primary development goal |
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| 17:42.14 | CIA-15 | freesmartphone.org: 03emdete * r67 10/trunk/software/gsm0710muxd/src/ (8 files): first version of a dbus/glib driven user-space gsm 07.10 muxer daemon |
| 17:46.26 | Ebbe | gamin: That is really incredibly! I can see the roads I put on the OSM myself on my Neo. Now I'll try and get a fix |
| 17:49.02 | gamin | Ebbe: 8-) |
| 17:49.51 | Tronic | gamin: Hey... Any updates on the map software? |
| 17:50.29 | gamin | Tronic: yep, comes now with a .desktop file |
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| 17:51.06 | gamin | Tronic: you can start it from the apps menu |
| 17:52.58 | gamin | Tronic: and you can finally change the settings for the gpsd |
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| 17:54.50 | Ebbe | gamin: Works perfectly. I can see the little red dot when I get a fix :) |
| 17:55.23 | gamin | Ebbe: and when you move, the tripmeter counts the distance |
| 17:56.01 | Ebbe | gamin: I've apparently traveled .0.27km ;) |
| 17:56.12 | Ebbe | *0.027 |
| 17:57.27 | gamin | after one hour *sitting* on a bench, you will have ~200m ;) |
| 17:58.04 | Ebbe | Hehe |
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| 17:59.34 | Ebbe | gamin: I think the autocenter should be a checkbox-like thing. So either you can move the map, or you will be fixed at your position |
| 18:00.49 | gamin | Ebbe: currently it is only onetime center, but that is in the making |
| 18:01.23 | mwester | mickeyl: Are you or is XorA|gone the person who might be maintaining the sane-srcrevs data for openmoko on oe? |
| 18:01.29 | gamin | however checkboxes are not finger friendly. but I may make a statefulbutton instead |
| 18:01.37 | XorA|gone | mwester: probably me |
| 18:01.54 | mickeyl | mwester: XorA|gone and johnlee |
| 18:02.15 | XorA|gone | mwester: if you need some bumps email me and I shall get to it tomorrow |
| 18:02.17 | mickeyl | and occasionally rwhitby and me |
| 18:02.29 | Ebbe | gamin: And the program really dont like when I press autocenter and I don't have a fix. |
| 18:02.31 | XorA|gone | mwester: Ive been busy last 2 weeks |
| 18:02.45 | mwester | :) Just thought I'd mention that the switch to the 2.6.24 kernel won't build, the srcrev for the kernel is too old (3801 in the file, 4013 is the current svn version that builds (although I dont' know how well that kernel works yet). |
| 18:03.02 | XorA|gone | mwester: bollocks, I forgot that :-) |
| 18:03.06 | XorA|gone | mwester: Ill fix that now |
| 18:03.12 | mwester | np. |
| 18:03.16 | XorA|gone | mwester: damn AUTOREV in my default config |
| 18:03.40 | XorA|gone | mwester: kernel works, some of userspace needs to get fixed for new /sys paths |
| 18:03.49 | mwester | Does the AUTOREV work out-of-the-box now, or does it need extra magic stuff still? |
| 18:03.55 | XorA|gone | mwester: works out of box |
| 18:04.22 | mwester | Excellent. I should use that, then, instead of editing sane-srcrevs all the time. I am, after all, quite insane. |
| 18:05.52 | mwester | BTW, I can make that change too, if you're busy -- I just didn't want to do that without checking with someone first. |
| 18:06.44 | gamin | Ebbe: beams you to 180° west, 88°nord |
| 18:06.58 | XorA|gone | mwester: already done it |
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| 18:07.16 | XorA|gone | mwester: thanks for reminding me :-) |
| 18:07.54 | Ebbe | gamin: Not when I do it. It removes some of the map, and makes a small red dot. |
| 18:08.31 | gamin | Ebbe: move the map to the upper left and you'll see it |
| 18:08.54 | gamin | Ebbe: zoom out to 2 before |
| 18:09.46 | Ebbe | gamin: It was more a bug-report than a what-shall-I-do? :) |
| 18:12.30 | gamin | Ebbe: any wishes for functionality? |
| 18:14.30 | Ebbe | gamin: Don't have any right now, but I'll be testing this outside tomorrow, so I'll sure have some later on |
| 18:15.12 | KrisAbsinthe_ | gamin: if i were to download all the maps i need onto my SD can tangogps handle that? |
| 18:15.47 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe_: no problem at all |
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| 18:16.16 | gamin | I load them only on demand |
| 18:16.28 | Frostshock | has anyone looked at the Cect phones?.. |
| 18:16.32 | KrisAbsinthe_ | gamin: sweet, really this is the best GPS app for moko |
| 18:17.41 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe_: thanks - that's good for my motivation |
| 18:18.03 | KrisAbsinthe_ | lol |
| 18:18.20 | Ebbe | gamin: I second that KrisAbsinthe_ |
| 18:18.55 | KrisAbsinthe_ | gamin: one thing i can think of is auto loading into the apps menu |
| 18:19.21 | gamin | what doyou mean? |
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| 18:19.32 | Ebbe | gamin: Why don't you move your developing to http://projects.openmoko.org/ ? Set up a bug-report system and mailinglist. Maybe even inviting people to help you program |
| 18:19.55 | KrisAbsinthe_ | tango doesnt show up under applications, atleast on mine |
| 18:20.08 | Ebbe | KrisAbsinthe_: I does here |
| 18:20.23 | KrisAbsinthe_ | hmm. let me be 100% just a sec |
| 18:21.00 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe_: have you reinstalled it from today? (I haven't bumped the app version) |
| 18:21.26 | KrisAbsinthe_ | no, whats that URL |
| 18:22.15 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe_: still on tangogps.org, same link, same name but new inside :P |
| 18:22.26 | KrisAbsinthe_ | cool thx |
| 18:23.08 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe_: "ipkg remove tangoGPS" before reinstalling |
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| 18:23.56 | gamin | Ebbe: As of now I don't need the infrastructure of projects.o.o, but that is likely to change |
| 18:24.50 | gamin | Ebbe: do you have nmea-logfiles somewhere? |
| 18:25.26 | Ebbe | gamin: Yes, why? |
| 18:25.27 | gamin | Ebbe: then you can feed them into tangogps |
| 18:25.31 | gamin | as replay |
| 18:25.56 | Ebbe | gamin: How? |
| 18:27.28 | gamin | Ebbe: install gpsd on your desktop, feed them into gpsfake and point your neo to your desktop (config->GPSD Host) |
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| 18:28.17 | gamin | Ebbe: gpsfake -b -c 0.1 -o "-n -N" -r "r"Â nmea_logfile_to_replay.log |
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| 18:30.49 | Ebbe | gamin: The program doesn't seem to save any configuration. Haven't you made that yet? |
| 18:31.38 | gamin | Ebbe: only the repos. gpsd settings and "execute command" are not saved |
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| 18:32.09 | Ebbe | gamin: Well, they don't save either at me |
| 18:32.49 | KrisAbsinthe_ | still didnt show up so im rebooting the neo after the install |
| 18:33.25 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe_: in apps, showing up is triggered by the install |
| 18:34.51 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe_: /usr/share/applications/tangogps.desktop and /usr/share/pixmaps/tangogps.png |
| 18:34.52 | KrisAbsinthe_ | Woo Hoo it showed up |
| 18:35.37 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe_: dunno which gllin script you use, but mine is restart capable |
| 18:36.19 | gamin | and you can start the whole gllin/gpsd from the config tab - no longer fiddeling in the terminal! |
| 18:36.54 | KrisAbsinthe_ | i love it |
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| 18:40.02 | KrisAbsinthe_ | gamin: thx for the help, works great |
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| 18:41.05 | PBeck | hi |
| 18:41.06 | KrisAbsinthe_ | gamin: does it auto remove the dled tiles or keep them? |
| 18:41.14 | gamin | good to hear. So I'll write an email to the list and let more people know |
| 18:41.17 | SpeedEvil | PBeck: hi |
| 18:41.28 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe_: it keeps them |
| 18:41.36 | KrisAbsinthe_ | gamin: bas ass lol |
| 18:42.03 | gamin | I most likely will have to add a refresh option |
| 18:42.31 | PBeck | hi SpeedEvil :) |
| 18:43.12 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe_: tangogps.org/dl.pl - have a look into it |
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| 18:43.59 | Ebbe | gamin: If tile was downloaded more than 5 days ago, try and download them again (but don't delete before download, because maybe no network) |
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| 18:44.38 | KrisAbsinthe_ | gamin: i got forbidden |
| 18:44.43 | SpeedEvil | Note that this violates googles T&Cs (if you are using them, and this bothers you) |
| 18:45.52 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe_: ah, old sysadmin habit to make all executables 700. should work now |
| 18:45.59 | KrisAbsinthe_ | lol |
| 18:46.07 | gamin | Ebbe: yes, that could be an idea! |
| 18:47.32 | KrisAbsinthe_ | gamin: thats a nice little script |
| 18:48.05 | Ebbe | gamin: Strange. It doesn't save repos when application is startes via ssh and displayed on my computer, but is saves when run on the Neo |
| 18:48.36 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe_: comes from OSM, OJW is active there. does not work here, but should do what you want |
| 18:49.41 | gamin | Ebbe: oh, you can start it via ssh? you have your DBUS env set ? maybe it saves to your desktops gconf? |
| 18:50.48 | Ebbe | gamin: Ahh, you uses dbus :) That explains it |
| 18:50.56 | gamin | Ebbe: where does your DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS point to? |
| 18:51.04 | gamin | Ebbe: yes, gconf does |
| 18:52.07 | gamin | Ebbe: but I'm still amazed, that it starts at all. Have you done anything on that? |
| 18:52.33 | Ebbe | gamin: Nope, it just works |
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| 18:53.05 | gamin | Ebbe: oh nice. for most people it doesn't |
| 18:53.35 | Ebbe | gamin: Maybe you need a new kernel and updated rootfs or something.. |
| 18:54.16 | gamin | Ebbe: I guess that comes from your desktops side |
| 18:55.19 | Ebbe | gamin: Sorry? I've only tried it from my Neo |
| 18:57.00 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1219 has been created by obri(AT)chaostreff.ch |
| 18:57.01 | cdbot2 | * * Only US-ASCII characters displayed |
| 18:57.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1219 |
| 18:57.33 | gamin | Ebbe: yes, but I think your desktop's ssh config may play into it |
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| 18:58.11 | Ebbe | gamin: Functionality request: You should make different modes. One "freestyler" where you can move the map around and gpsfix only shows one red dot. A "traveler" where display is fixed on position. A "tracker" where you save the nmea and shows a trail on the map |
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| 19:01.11 | gamin | Ebbe: yes, I have been thinking about something similar |
| 19:01.18 | Ebbe | gamin: Cool |
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| 19:14.52 | zem_ | re |
| 19:15.44 | gamin | hey zem_, back from tracking? |
| 19:18.05 | KrisAbsinthe_ | gaim: not getting a fix and telnet is refused, is that my gpsd |
| 19:18.15 | zem_ | gamin: yea, back, it tracked! |
| 19:18.31 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe_: yes, then gpsd is not running |
| 19:19.02 | zem_ | Next thing is to create a GUI for my scripts, and of course edit maps |
| 19:20.01 | gamin | zem_: I intend to implement some osm support into tangogps too, what are you planning to do? |
| 19:21.13 | KrisAbsinthe_ | damn it, gpsd wasnt installed. wtf |
| 19:21.55 | zem_ | gamin: A small crappy app with all the buttons i need, like make a trace, activate gps, show that the gps is really working, upload trace via gprs |
| 19:22.08 | gamin | zem_: in C? |
| 19:22.24 | KrisAbsinthe_ | whats the port for gps, im getting No /dev/ttyS3 GPS device |
| 19:22.47 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe_: thats normal and without importance |
| 19:23.02 | KrisAbsinthe_ | cool |
| 19:23.06 | zem_ | That is the next thing, at the moment I am writing more Perl than C |
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| 19:24.07 | zem_ | but a scripting language will need more space and is slower |
| 19:24.20 | gamin | zem_: look at tangogps.org, the video. it uses osm maps |
| 19:25.14 | KrisAbsinthe_ | it will not start. Starting gpsd: No /dev/ttyS3 GPS device, aborting gpsd startup. Check /etc/default/gpsd |
| 19:25.41 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe_: oh, don't use the init.d scripts |
| 19:25.58 | KrisAbsinthe_ | gpsd -p /dev/ttySAC1 ? |
| 19:26.26 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe_: no, gpsd -n /tmp/nmeaNP |
| 19:26.37 | KrisAbsinthe_ | im a fool today |
| 19:26.39 | KrisAbsinthe_ | thanks |
| 19:26.47 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe_: there is a script on my site |
| 19:27.35 | KrisAbsinthe_ | cool, going back outside. right now my lat is NAN that is normal? |
| 19:27.53 | gamin | yes not a number |
| 19:28.08 | zem_ | gamin: ;-) OK that thing already exists... |
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| 19:36.22 | Kero | et voila: http://chmeee.dyndns.org/om/testing_gsmd.html |
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| 19:59.03 | Ebbe | gamin: Is there anyway to use the Osmarender maps instead of Mapnik? |
| 19:59.34 | gamin | Ebbe: just add them as a new repository |
| 19:59.43 | Ebbe | gamin: Whats the url? |
| 20:01.06 | gamin | http://b.tah.openstreetmap.org/Tiles/tile.php/7/65/45.png is a tile, |
| 20:01.29 | gamin | Ebbe: thus http://b.tah.openstreetmap.org/Tiles/tile.php/%d/%d/%d.png |
| 20:02.14 | Ebbe | gamin: Ahh, I see |
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| 20:35.13 | zem__ | re |
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| 21:33.07 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: I've been thinking, and I don't think the DMA from the framebuffer is an issue |
| 21:33.28 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: because, at the speeds where it matters, it's also slower since it's derived from the same clock |
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| 21:34.06 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: i.e. after a point (where the lcd controller divider gets to the minimum) it will be a fixed percentage of the available bus time |
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| 22:01.04 | flyback | yo prpplague you around |
| 22:01.13 | flyback | message me I want you to see a device log |
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| 22:54.50 | KrisAbsinthe_ | gamin: If i zoom in past 6 levels tango crashes |
| 22:55.59 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe_: hmm, worksforme. can you start it from the terminal an tell me what the last words are? |
| 22:56.12 | KrisAbsinthe_ | sure just a sec |
| 22:56.16 | gamin | or paste them to pastebin? |
| 22:58.25 | KrisAbsinthe_ | well shit, didnt do it when i launched it from ssh |
| 22:59.21 | KrisAbsinthe_ | btw, took a drive speed and position is accurate |
| 23:00.02 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe_: I'd been rather surprised if it would not be accurate |
| 23:00.46 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe_: you can launch it from ssh if you set DBUS_blabla |
| 23:01.09 | KrisAbsinthe_ | i didnt set anything other than DISPLAY=:0 tangogps |
| 23:01.10 | gamin | must be the same as env in moko-terminal says |
| 23:02.17 | gamin | DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS is the var that you need to get from the neo and set in the ssh |
| 23:02.25 | gamin | then it works |
| 23:10.01 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe_: so whats going on? |
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| 23:12.49 | KrisAbsinthe_ | sorry had to tend to my son. How do i set that variable |
| 23:14.25 | gamin | from a omko terminal: env>eee |
| 23:14.43 | spydon | GN folks |
| 23:14.56 | gamin | then in ssh grep DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS eee |
| 23:15.18 | gamin | take that and export it |
| 23:16.30 | gamin | alterative: start "tangogps 2>&1 > debug.log" in a mokoterminal |
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| 23:17.00 | kohlenmunk | openmoko |
| 23:19.15 | KrisAbsinthe_ | did the terminal method, it still didnt crash this time. I was able to repeat the error again but not since i said something |
| 23:19.21 | kohlenmunk | openmoko |
| 23:19.33 | KrisAbsinthe_ | indeed openmoko |
| 23:19.40 | kohlenmunk | why? |
| 23:19.59 | KrisAbsinthe_ | dont be weird |
| 23:20.13 | kohlenmunk | poor KrisAbsinthe |
| 23:21.09 | kohlenmunk | do you admit you're poor? |
| 23:21.40 | KrisAbsinthe_ | kann se nicht sprechen |
| 23:22.24 | kohlenmunk | do you admit you're poor? |
| 23:22.32 | gamin | kohlenfuzzi: stehen die berge bei dir in der schweiz nicht mehr? |
| 23:22.44 | kohlenmunk | poor gamin |
| 23:23.19 | KrisAbsinthe_ | ich wisses nich gamin sprechen deutch |
| 23:23.38 | KrisAbsinthe_ | my spelling is poor in german |
| 23:24.01 | kohlenmunk | poor Krisabsinthe |
| 23:24.03 | bdove | oh ne! |
| 23:24.07 | kohlenmunk | do you admit you're poor? |
| 23:24.30 | gamin | kohlenmunk: das internet ist nur halb so anonym, wie du denkst |
| 23:24.37 | Ganneff | kohlenmunk: do you have any real discussion for this channel? |
| 23:24.39 | kohlenmunk | und dann? |
| 23:24.49 | kohlenmunk | was willst du damit sagen |
| 23:24.51 | *** mode/#openmoko [+o Ganneff] by ChanServ |
| 23:24.55 | kohlenmunk | willst du mich verklagen |
| 23:25.01 | *** mode/#openmoko [+b *!*n=WP-Gast@*.dclient.hispeed.ch] by Ganneff |
| 23:25.01 | gamin | kohlenmunk: For Spam/Abuse, please contact abuse@cablecom.ch |
| 23:25.01 | *** kick/#openmoko [kohlenmunk!i=joerg@freenode/staff/debian.joerg] by Ganneff (wrong channel) |
| 23:25.08 | mickeyl | thanks Ganneff |
| 23:25.10 | *** mode/#openmoko [-o Ganneff] by Ganneff |
| 23:25.16 | cb22 | hehe |
| 23:25.19 | KrisAbsinthe_ | yay |
| 23:25.30 | mickeyl | must be fun *sigh* |
| 23:25.40 | mickeyl | some boring sick sort of fun though |
| 23:25.56 | zem__ | hummm, the neo seems to boot when I try to change bootcmd variable, why? |
| 23:25.59 | KrisAbsinthe_ | the waiting would not be good |
| 23:26.41 | zem__ | ah rtfm |
| 23:28.02 | KrisAbsinthe_ | gaim: HA it did it. where should i send the log to |
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| 23:30.16 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe_: you can find my email on the website |
| 23:30.41 | KrisAbsinthe_ | gaim: nice error message ; FUCCCCCCCCK |
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| 23:31.24 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03werner * r4014 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/ (config/defconfig-2.6.24 scripts/build): |
| 23:31.24 | CIA-15 | openmoko: The -moko11 in defconfig's CONFIG_LOCALVERSION somehow broke OpenEmbedded |
| 23:31.24 | CIA-15 | openmoko: builds. So we remove it. |
| 23:31.24 | CIA-15 | openmoko: config/defconfig-2.6.24: changed CONFIG_LOCALVERSION from "-moko11" to "" |
| 23:31.24 | CIA-15 | openmoko: scripts/build: changed SVN_REV from 4009 to 4014 |
| 23:35.01 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe_ - oh, there is plenty of those :o) |
| 23:35.46 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe_: no mail here - did you send it? |
| 23:35.46 | KrisAbsinthe_ | i sent it off |
| 23:36.40 | KrisAbsinthe_ | just now, had to cut it, apparently i cant send text that exceeds 10,000 chars |
| 23:37.07 | gamin | have it - it is the slash |
| 23:37.37 | KrisAbsinthe_ | my leading slash thats creating /blah//blah/ |
| 23:38.03 | gamin | yes, the trailing one in the config. |
| 23:38.23 | gamin | I remember having seen that before. |
| 23:38.40 | KrisAbsinthe_ | habit I had added it into the Cache box |
| 23:38.42 | gamin | there is a lib-call that doesn't handle it |
| 23:39.42 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe_: g_mkdir_with_parents() fails on that |
| 23:40.11 | KrisAbsinthe_ | cool, fixed my problem. thanks a ton |
| 23:40.28 | gamin | imho unix system calls have no prob with that |
| 23:41.21 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe_: your sd card will be cluttered with the dirs, I would put /media/card/maps there |
| 23:42.04 | KrisAbsinthe_ | Still did it, it looks as if you try to disable zoom after you reach the lowest level. if i press it after that it crashes |
| 23:42.31 | KrisAbsinthe_ | This media card IS for maps lol |
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| 23:42.53 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe_: oh yes, there are still some out of bounds checks missing |
| 23:43.30 | KrisAbsinthe_ | cool no problem. Hey for a 'Beta' release this is uncommonly complete lol |
| 23:44.28 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe_: hey, it is already 0.1!!! lol - in real unix tradition it sould be 0.0.2 or somesuch :-0 |
| 23:46.13 | KrisAbsinthe_ | yup. I think you have done a great job. This should be the official OM GPS app |
| 23:48.27 | mickeyl | tangoGPS? |
| 23:48.42 | gamin | mickeyl: tangogps.org |
| 23:48.49 | mickeyl | which UI toolkit is that based on? |
| 23:49.03 | KrisAbsinthe_ | yup, im a minimalist, i love it very fast refresh, downloads maps as you need them |
| 23:49.05 | gamin | gtk - no efl yet |
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| 23:49.45 | mickeyl | cool. need to try that one of these days |
| 23:50.23 | gamin | mickeyl: there is a 1:30min video on the page |
| 23:50.31 | KrisAbsinthe_ | god i wish i could increase battery life. |
| 23:51.54 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe_: I guess I'll get that mintyboost thing |
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| 23:53.25 | mickeyl | hmm |
| 23:53.36 | KrisAbsinthe_ | yeah, there was a 'Wish list' of stuff for the Neo I do wish they would make the shims for the back panel, then i would have enough room for solar and a control chip |
| 23:54.33 | smlsfb | KrisAbsinthe_, shims? |
| 23:54.43 | zem__ | KrisAbsinthe_: I still like those fancy Military DMFCs |
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| 23:55.05 | zem__ | KrisAbsinthe_: good for days! |
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| 23:56.28 | KrisAbsinthe_ | smlsfb: the idea is to be able to make the phone a little thicker and add room to the back area, giving room for mods |
| 23:56.47 | smlsfb | ahh, that would be awesome |
| 23:57.03 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe_: a portable docking station for ,please := |
| 23:58.09 | KrisAbsinthe_ | i built a USB kb with a phone holder .....well before i realized you had to switch to host mode manually, kinda shot down native development on the go |
| 23:59.03 | KrisAbsinthe_ | I even modded a Hub that fit inside the KB, i built it while waiting to get my neo |
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