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| 00:22.12 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03werner * r4012 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/patches/atheros_2_0_function.patch: (log message trimmed) |
| 00:22.12 | CIA-15 | openmoko: ar6k: Beacon filtering enabled once scan is done |
| 00:22.12 | CIA-15 | openmoko: When we're done with scanning, the host doesn't need to get all the |
| 00:22.12 | CIA-15 | openmoko: beacons anymore. Later on, we could fine tune that to only get our |
| 00:22.12 | CIA-15 | openmoko: BSS beacons (mandatory for roaming). |
| 00:22.16 | CIA-15 | openmoko: But for now, we just filter them all after scanning is done so that |
| 00:22.18 | CIA-15 | openmoko: we don't get dozens of interrupts per seconds because of that. |
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| 02:50.57 | raddy | Hello Everybody |
| 02:51.32 | raddy | Hello Everybody |
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| 02:57.26 | raddy | Hello Everybody |
| 02:57.29 | raddy | Anybody there? |
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| 03:13.13 | raddy | Hello Everybody |
| 03:13.49 | raddy | Does FreeRunner supports bluetooth? |
| 03:14.13 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 03:14.29 | SpeedEvil | It comes with snap-on colours for your teeth, in many shades. |
| 03:14.40 | SpeedEvil | Blue, orange, green or even gold. |
| 03:14.59 | SpeedEvil | All with the openmoko logo backlighted in orange. |
| 03:16.21 | raddy | SpeedEvil : don't joke |
| 03:16.44 | SpeedEvil | Seriously, yes, it supports blutoth |
| 03:16.59 | SpeedEvil | see the wiki linked in the topic |
| 03:17.34 | raddy | SpeedEvil : ok |
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| 03:30.53 | SpeedEvil | But it so should. |
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| 03:43.02 | wurp2 | When I try to connect with gprs, I just get "Connect script failed" |
| 03:43.08 | wurp2 | Is there a way to get more info? |
| 03:43.31 | wurp2 | I am just following the script on the wiki, Manually using GPRS |
| 03:44.02 | wurp2 | I've double checked my gprs-connect-chat, and I don't see anything wrong, but then again, I don't really know what to look for |
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| 03:59.50 | mmontour | cesarb: I've now booted with the new 2.6.24 kernel. It didn't crash but a lot of stuff is broken (so far: MMC driver broken, sound modules not loading, and /etc/init.d/gsmd not updated for the new /sys paths) |
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| 04:10.06 | spammy | is there a timeframe on when the next phase will be released? |
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| 04:11.58 | wurp2 | spammy: See topic |
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| 04:14.31 | spammy | ohhhh, I apologize, I didn't put Freerunner and GTA02 together |
| 04:15.34 | wurp2 | Yeah, it's the new name |
| 04:16.11 | wurp2 | You have to watch out, though, apparently somehow some of the articles mix up stats for OpenMoko's new gps and the FreeRunner |
| 04:16.25 | wurp2 | The stats are all (I think) as they've been indicated before for the GTA02 |
| 04:16.39 | queueRAM | has anyone here gotten their GSM firmware updated to resolve the AT&T SIM issue? |
| 04:16.47 | wurp2 | (I'm not particularly in the know, other than spending way too much time in this room and owning an 01) |
| 04:16.51 | wurp2 | I have |
| 04:17.07 | wurp2 | queueRAM: ^^^ |
| 04:17.20 | queueRAM | wurp2: does it indeed resolve the issues? |
| 04:17.28 | wurp2 | It certainly did for me |
| 04:17.38 | wurp2 | Michael tests them before he sends them out |
| 04:17.52 | wurp2 | Which doesn't necessarily mean it will work for your SIM, but as I said, it did for me |
| 04:18.08 | wurp2 | "the issues" for me was just a total lack of recognition of my SIM |
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| 04:19.19 | queueRAM | wurp2: yeah, that's the issues I have, however, my SIM is quite old, so i'm not sure what the deal is |
| 04:19.49 | wurp2 | Did you look at the Carriers pages on the wiki to see if anyone had reported yours as an unsupported model? |
| 04:20.11 | queueRAM | yeah, it is reported in the "do NOT work" table |
| 04:20.24 | wurp2 | then you should get the update & be good to go, I think |
| 04:20.32 | wurp2 | It took about 2 weeks round trip for mine :-( |
| 04:20.55 | queueRAM | bummer. Do i just email Michael to initiate the update process? |
| 04:20.59 | wurp2 | Yeah |
| 04:21.16 | wurp2 | He'll send you his address |
| 04:21.24 | queueRAM | well, I guess i can't really do anything else at this point |
| 04:21.33 | wurp2 | that was my position :-) |
| 04:22.03 | wurp2 | Although honestly I spend about 10x as much time playing in terminal, listening to music, or using the gps than I do on the phone |
| 04:22.16 | queueRAM | thank you, wurp2 |
| 04:22.18 | wurp2 | well, if you count listening to music, make that 100s of times |
| 04:22.24 | wurp2 | you're welcome :-) |
| 04:22.32 | queueRAM | heh, i haven't begun playing with those functions yet |
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| 04:23.01 | queueRAM | what GPS programs can you mess around with? |
| 04:23.07 | wurp2 | navit |
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| 04:23.20 | wurp2 | I want to get pyroute running at a reasonable speed on it |
| 04:23.37 | wurp2 | but for now, navit works pretty much out of the box... after a little config |
| 04:23.57 | wurp2 | There are a couple of other ones, but I dunno the names |
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| 04:26.01 | queueRAM | does navit come on the rootfs or must that be manually added? |
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| 04:27.18 | wurp2 | manually installed |
| 04:27.36 | wurp2 | in fact, pm me with your email address and I'll email you the one I was sent :-) |
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| 04:30.09 | queueRAM | wurp2: are you getting my messages? |
| 04:30.21 | wurp2 | yep |
| 04:30.24 | wurp2 | I replied... |
| 04:30.32 | wurp2 | But if you can't read my replies, no prob |
| 04:30.46 | wurp2 | just do the same thing you did before, but with your email address :-) |
| 04:30.57 | wurp2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:31.06 | queueRAM | hmm....i didn't get them. are you registered with NickServ? |
| 04:31.15 | wurp2 | I should be |
| 04:31.29 | wurp2 | got it |
| 04:34.30 | queueRAM | got your email, thanks! |
| 04:35.13 | wurp2 | np |
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| 04:51.57 | KrisAbsinthe | There may be people available to upload the GSM firmware, im waiting a response to that question officially |
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| 09:26.14 | gamin | hey, I wrote a little GPS app, displaying osm maps. Its fast and lightweight. If you want to give it a go, it is at tangogps.org |
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| 09:30.33 | Tronic | gamin: globals.h:2:32: error: gconf/gconf-client.h: No such file or directory |
| 09:31.07 | Tronic | (on Gentoo, not OpenMoko) |
| 09:31.44 | gamin | Tronic: that points to the wrong location, yes |
| 09:33.01 | Tronic | Are you missing pkg-config --cflags <something> from the build flags? |
| 09:34.28 | gamin | Tronic: yeh, I had a porblem with gconf-2 there and the crosscompile, you need to |
| 09:34.43 | gamin | change the makefile.am in src |
| 09:34.46 | Tronic | gps.h is also missing. |
| 09:35.14 | Tronic | Is that a part of gpsd or what? |
| 09:35.20 | gamin | Tronic: gps.h is in the gpsd package |
| 09:36.34 | gamin | Tronic: you will get many plenty compiler warnings, the code is not yet cleaned up |
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| 09:37.42 | Tronic | Have to install gpds (and 8 other deps of it) first, this takes a while. |
| 09:37.52 | Tronic | *gpsd |
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| 09:39.10 | gamin | Tronic: you have a neo too? |
| 09:40.02 | Tronic | Nope. |
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| 09:40.47 | Tronic | I won't buy one until they have decent hardware (HSPA, etc) and good software. |
| 09:41.46 | Tronic | gamin: Please add zoom to mouse wheel (like in Google Maps). |
| 09:42.26 | gamin | Tronic: ah yes - my primary use is on the neo, but I can add it |
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| 09:42.59 | Tronic | I would also prefer smooth zooming, but that might not quite be doable with the phone. |
| 09:43.42 | Tronic | Also, when panning, it would be nice if the map was repainted all the time and not only after releasing the mouse button. |
| 09:44.02 | gamin | Tronic: that is a mobile cpu constraint... |
| 09:44.22 | gamin | however, I will make the underlying pixbuf bigger |
| 09:44.39 | Tronic | If you optimize the drawing, it shouldn't use much more that way. |
| 09:44.52 | ahven | lowres redraw? |
| 09:44.57 | Tronic | (i.e. don't redraw the entire screen, just the dirty areas. |
| 09:44.57 | Tronic | ) |
| 09:45.08 | Tronic | ahven: That doesn't seem to be a good idea in general. |
| 09:45.27 | Tronic | But the software looks really good already. |
| 09:46.00 | Tronic | I'll install that also on my laptop and drive around a bit to see how it does with the GPS. |
| 09:46.13 | gamin | Tronic: tanks. cool. |
| 09:47.55 | gamin | screen usage and speed was paramount for me. maemo-mapper has become pretty slow and gpsdrive puts too many things on screen - nevertheless, both are nice apps |
| 09:49.25 | gamin | Tronic: redrawing dirty areas: I don't have the tiles anymore in mem, just the pixbuf - thus redrawing the dirty areas would mean file i/o |
| 09:49.48 | Tronic | gamin: I suppose that you'll add some kind of tracking feature that can be used for improving OSM? |
| 09:49.59 | Tronic | (or is there one already?) |
| 09:50.05 | gamin | Tronic: Yes, I |
| 09:50.11 | gamin | d love to |
| 09:50.49 | gamin | Tronic: the neo already logs the nmea |
| 09:51.20 | Tronic | Anyway, the main problem with GPS map software usually is speed. They get way too slow with all the details, if there is no proper caching and LOD. |
| 09:51.20 | gamin | but making voice annotations would be nice |
| 09:51.29 | Tronic | And generally proper data structures. |
| 09:53.17 | gamin | btw, you can use google maps too, but read their terms and conditios first |
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| 10:05.46 | nadio | Is there an kill switch for the GSM modem ? |
| 10:05.57 | nadio | in the freerunner version |
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| 10:30.37 | yoyo | hello |
| 10:31.01 | SpeedEvil | nadio: yes |
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| 11:23.15 | yoyo | can someone correct my? |
| 11:23.16 | yoyo | if I have for example i=0x10; |
| 11:23.16 | yoyo | end I while make i= (0x00 ) | (( i & 0x10 )<<4) | (( i & 0x20 )<<1) | (( i & 0x40 )>>1) | (( i & 0x80 )>>4); |
| 11:23.16 | yoyo | the result while by 0x80? yes? |
| 11:23.45 | SpeedEvil | Interpreter error. |
| 11:25.11 | yoyo | I need to swap 4 oldest bits in value 8bit value :/ |
| 11:28.32 | SpeedEvil | abcdefghi -> efghabcd? |
| 11:29.42 | yoyo | 10100000 > 01010000 |
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| 11:32.43 | nadio | Can I get hold of any of openmoko.com people in here ? |
| 11:33.09 | mjr | nadio, yes |
| 11:33.31 | mjr | not sure of the list, but at least mickey and raster are employed there |
| 11:35.09 | yoyo | :) (0x00 ) | (( i & 0x10 )<<3) | (( i & 0x20 )<<1) | (( i & 0x40 )>>1) | (( i & 0x80 )>>3); is correct :) |
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| 11:51.00 | kristian-m | the wiki is down |
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| 12:17.30 | SpeedEvil | does seem to be down. |
| 12:17.46 | SpeedEvil | Actually - it may be merely slow |
| 12:18.36 | Mononoke | if it's slow it's reaaaaaaaly slow |
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| 12:19.19 | SpeedEvil | Actually - I may have completed the URL - I assumed I'd entered wiki.openmoko.org |
| 12:19.29 | SpeedEvil | It seems down tottally, yes |
| 12:19.46 | Mononoke | nah it loaded \o/ |
| 12:19.59 | Mononoke | just took few min for planet.openmoko.org |
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| 12:49.26 | cesarb | yeah, planet might load after a few min, but what about svn, which is needed for building several things via mokomakefile? |
| 12:50.44 | cesarb | Both don't seem to be in a place affected by the cable cuts... |
| 12:51.42 | freepenguin | Now Available the new Ubuntu Free Penguin Edition: http://www.freepenguin.it/ubuntufp-download-en.html !!! |
| 12:52.08 | SpeedEvil | They've probably got a neo as secondary backup over GPRS, and it's a bit loaded :) |
| 12:52.42 | Mononoke | =] they are testing cluster of neos |
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| 13:02.32 | kamathln | [Offtopic] Hi.. can someone predict what time Herald will be online ? |
| 13:04.19 | cesarb | kamathln: in this channel? haven't seen him in months |
| 13:04.35 | kamathln | Oh! |
| 13:04.56 | kamathln | cesarb: thx for the info |
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| 13:09.37 | thomasg | SpeedEvil, yesterday we talked about the battery voltage when the neo will turn off - mine did at 3.1 V |
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| 13:21.31 | PBeck | ahoi |
| 13:22.06 | smlsfb | avast, matey |
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| 13:43.41 | blckdove | is wiki down or is it me? |
| 13:45.32 | ifeel | blckdove: it's down for me too |
| 13:45.56 | polac | and me |
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| 14:08.52 | CVirus | Dash Express == HXD8 ? |
| 14:09.14 | Shoragan | yes |
| 14:09.34 | CVirus | I see |
| 14:11.06 | SpeedEvil | Though I don't think it's been confirmed how open it is |
| 14:11.17 | SpeedEvil | I think it just runs the kernel with OM patches |
| 14:14.51 | CVirus | yeah |
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| 14:20.17 | Daniil0 | Check : http://world3.monstersgame.fr/?ac=vid&vid=108014140 |
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| 14:20.40 | blckdove | I dont think so |
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| 14:32.16 | zilux | CoreDump: hi, you are from OE? |
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| 14:33.26 | CoreDump | sort of |
| 14:33.30 | mickeyl | hah |
| 14:33.36 | zilux | I would like to submit a package to OE |
| 14:33.52 | zilux | what is the correct way? |
| 14:33.58 | zilux | ml or bugzilla |
| 14:34.00 | zilux | ? |
| 14:34.31 | CoreDump | bugilla IMO |
| 14:35.17 | zilux | does the recipe need to be 'high quality' or do they can welcome approximate recipes? |
| 14:35.24 | zilux | :-) |
| 14:36.46 | CoreDump | trust me, certain folks would nail you to a cross for "approximate recipes". Other folks would try to work with you to change it into a good recipe ;) |
| 14:37.16 | CoreDump | send it to the ML and ask for comments |
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| 14:37.35 | zilux | ah, I don't mind for me, but for the package :-) |
| 14:37.42 | zilux | ok |
| 14:38.02 | mickeyl | heh |
| 14:38.13 | mickeyl | just attach it to bugzilla and/or mail |
| 14:38.22 | blckdove | anyone made tests with applets? Can I pop-up dialogs (to show and enter things) from applets? |
| 14:38.22 | mickeyl | it's an iterative process |
| 14:38.35 | zilux | great! |
| 14:38.38 | zilux | mickey: I would have a question about speech in OM |
| 14:38.52 | zilux | could it be welcomed in middleware? |
| 14:38.53 | mickeyl | blckdove: yeah, that should work. libmokopanelui2 contains an API for that |
| 14:39.03 | blckdove | ok good... |
| 14:39.14 | blckdove | gonna integrate bt pairing into the bt applet |
| 14:39.26 | blckdove | gonna make that as the default key agent |
| 14:39.31 | mickeyl | zilux: depends on a couple of factors. but it's certainly interesting |
| 14:40.00 | SpeedEvil | Is there anything on linux that implements the bluetooth imaging protocol? |
| 14:40.18 | zilux | mickeyl: speech-dispatcher + espeak would have its chance? |
| 14:42.23 | mickeyl | zilux: like i said, it depends on some factors, like additional nand/RAM consumption and integration |
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| 14:42.37 | mickeyl | but even if it doesn't make it in the default image |
| 14:42.41 | mickeyl | we'd like to have it in the feed |
| 14:42.45 | mickeyl | so, yes, it's most welcome |
| 14:42.52 | zilux | ok, thanks |
| 14:42.57 | mickeyl | np |
| 14:43.43 | zilux | (yeah!) |
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| 14:46.50 | wolfgang_spraul | mickeyl: hi there! |
| 14:47.05 | mickeyl | welcome back, wolfgang_spraul |
| 14:48.00 | wolfgang_spraul | mickeyl: do you know someone here in irc who could help with the motion sensor lib? |
| 14:48.33 | mickeyl | not offhand. we might launch a request on the -devel mailing list for that. they're over 800 people subscribed there |
| 14:49.00 | wolfgang_spraul | mickeyl: ok. |
| 14:50.15 | mickeyl | SpeedEvil: what's your favourite application for such highres sensors? |
| 14:50.41 | SpeedEvil | Well - that resolution, you get absolute orientation from direct observation of the gravity gradient |
| 14:50.53 | mickeyl | sure |
| 14:50.55 | mickeyl | that's nice per se |
| 14:50.56 | mickeyl | _but_ |
| 14:51.02 | mickeyl | what would you do with the data? |
| 14:51.03 | SpeedEvil | Oh - apps |
| 14:51.14 | mickeyl | i mean besides trivial things |
| 14:51.15 | SpeedEvil | 'you are here' that worked in buildings |
| 14:51.29 | mwester | Well, if the phone were equipped with a propulsion system... ;) |
| 14:51.34 | mickeyl | hehe |
| 14:51.35 | mickeyl | yeah |
| 14:51.46 | SpeedEvil | Or caves :) |
| 14:52.13 | SpeedEvil | GPS gets lots more reliable if you only need to see the satellites every hour or so |
| 14:52.14 | balrog-kun | or on planets that have no gps satellites yet |
| 14:52.18 | wolfgang_spraul | SpeedEvil: maybe you get accelerometers so high-res that you could use them for space travel navigation as well :-) |
| 14:52.22 | wolfgang_spraul | (a bit sarcastic, I admit) |
| 14:52.42 | SpeedEvil | wolfgang_spraul: I have prototype rocket bits in the garage. |
| 14:52.49 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: what we need is a LPS (local instead of global), so we can just add some electronic thingys inside the building and that's enough for precise location |
| 14:53.16 | mickeyl | mwester: same here. i think the "trivial things" can do a lot wrt. usability |
| 14:53.18 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: that's nice in principle. |
| 14:53.27 | cesarb | mwester: that feature could also be done with a light sensor, with the bonus that it would also do the same in a theater |
| 14:53.29 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: you end up with needing several a room |
| 14:53.33 | wolfgang_spraul | mwester: one problem seems to be that few easy-to-use accelerometer API seem to be established |
| 14:53.38 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: which gets quite expensive indeed |
| 14:53.45 | wolfgang_spraul | no low-level interface (C), no higher-level language bindings (Python, Java, etc) |
| 14:53.46 | wolfgang_spraul | nothing |
| 14:53.51 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: yeah, some 3-4 in the corners... it would have to be a really chip (rfid-like price levels) |
| 14:53.56 | cesarb | s/chip/cheap/ |
| 14:54.02 | wolfgang_spraul | so that an app can 'subscribe' to certain motions etc. |
| 14:54.17 | mwester | cesarb: wrt to LPS: augment GPS with other inputs, such as the ability to say "I am in the executive boardroom, automatically silence the ringer" when a certain bluetooth MAC reaches a certain signal strength... |
| 14:54.22 | SpeedEvil | I wonder if soemthing xstroke-like |
| 14:54.42 | cesarb | mwester: or a wifi AP |
| 14:54.48 | SpeedEvil | lookup the xstroke recogniser |
| 14:54.51 | SpeedEvil | maybe interesting |
| 14:54.58 | SpeedEvil | (in 3D) |
| 14:55.15 | SpeedEvil | actually on reflection not |
| 14:55.22 | SpeedEvil | it requires discrete motions |
| 14:55.34 | cesarb | mwester: so if I get within the range of a wifi ap with the essid with my work company's name, AND I can use it (meaning I have the correct key and so it does), then I'm at work, so switch to a work-related mode |
| 14:55.43 | SpeedEvil | so it'd work for 'hold button and wave' but not continuous |
| 14:55.48 | mwester | cesarb: Yep. exactly! |
| 14:57.35 | cesarb | mwester: the one I'd find most interesting would be "when I can see that specific bluetooth dongle, it means I'm near my home computer, so sync with it" |
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| 14:59.19 | SpeedEvil | ...wifi.. |
| 14:59.42 | mwester | I'm interested in one that's "I see the laptop's bluetooth, but not the home wireless AP, the local timezone (from the cell tower) says it's 11PM, thus it seems logical that we are in a hotel room again so offer to set a wakeup alarm for the morning and remind to check watch for correct local time" |
| 15:00.03 | cesarb | mwester: woah. That one is... |
| 15:00.19 | cesarb | mwester: ...kinda extreme... it looks like AI :D |
| 15:01.21 | mwester | Yep. It is. But if you consider an "awareness daemon", a set of sensors that report via dbus, and a set of rules that the user can edit, it's actually very straightforward to implement (conceptually). |
| 15:01.53 | SpeedEvil | 'the last MokoCrowd entry fro this location says that the restaruant opposite does awesome steak' |
| 15:02.06 | mwester | That's cool too! |
| 15:02.51 | mwester | "But another MokoCrowd entry says if you only want a burger, there's free wireless a block down the street" ;) |
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| 15:03.15 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: that would be awesome, but needs a critical mass to work |
| 15:03.28 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: very much |
| 15:03.53 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: the only way to manage it would be to make an app to do that for J2ME too |
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| 15:04.03 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: so you can get your critical mass |
| 15:04.05 | SpeedEvil | Probably. |
| 15:04.10 | mwester | It would need to start as a generic 'smart-gps' sort of thing. |
| 15:04.21 | SpeedEvil | Unless OM goes critical much faster than I expect. |
| 15:04.49 | SpeedEvil | I can't see it getting any significant market-share if everything goes right before 2012 or so |
| 15:06.09 | SpeedEvil | Christmas 2008 - some independant shops and markets with unsubsidised phones start selling - 2010 maybe a small carrier picks it up, ... |
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| 15:07.07 | SpeedEvil | It's only there when a person that doesn't care about linux wants one. |
| 15:07.16 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: another way I can see it working is somewhere with someone crazy enough to be a one-man critical mass (someone crazy enough to go to every single shop in a region and register its data on the database...) |
| 15:07.33 | SpeedEvil | cesarb: irc.oftc.net #osm |
| 15:07.58 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: yeah, I was thinking of the OSM mapping people ;-) |
| 15:08.00 | SpeedEvil | (though not usually to quite that density) |
| 15:08.51 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: someone could do that thing in a small but important part of a city with a few months of hard work, and with enough luck that could be enough critical mass... |
| 15:09.23 | SpeedEvil | Mapping can actually be quite fast for small areas if you employ people. |
| 15:09.57 | SpeedEvil | several guys on bikes for 8 hours/day can do a _lot_. |
| 15:10.15 | SpeedEvil | But of course - fundin'gs a seperate issue |
| 15:10.34 | cesarb | SpeedEvil: but mapping to the level of "tell me the best McDonald's in a 500m radius" would need a lot more effort than that |
| 15:11.08 | SpeedEvil | Yeah - getting 'list the macdonalds and their sizes in the area' is easy comparably |
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| 15:55.09 | starox | Yo ! I received my gta01 :) |
| 15:55.44 | SpeedEvil | Congratulations! |
| 15:55.49 | SpeedEvil | what sort of delay? |
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| 15:56.42 | starox | I was patient enough to make severy tries for 2 weeks on direct.openmoko.com. Then I give up |
| 15:57.11 | starox | I ordered it from pulster, 5 days for bank transfer, 8 days for the transporter :( |
| 15:57.19 | starox | But at last, it's here :):):) |
| 15:58.13 | SpeedEvil | http://wifi.openschemes.com/ insanely awesome. |
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| 16:13.47 | starox | I love neo1973 screen it's klar and sharp. |
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| 16:14.49 | starox | It's time to compile a system :) |
| 16:14.49 | KrisAbsinthe | thats what im doing too |
| 16:14.50 | cesarb | starox: everyone loves gta01's screen ;-) |
| 16:15.01 | starox | :) |
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| 18:15.56 | KrisAbsinthe | Binary for MokoManager available http://openmokomanager.projects.openmoko.org/ |
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| 18:22.03 | CIA-15 | openmoko: 03werner * r4013 10/branches/src/target/kernel/2.6.24.x/ (3 files in 2 dirs): (log message trimmed) |
| 18:22.03 | CIA-15 | openmoko: This gives user space the ability to modify atags (boot parameters, etc.) |
| 18:22.03 | CIA-15 | openmoko: before kexec'ing. |
| 18:22.04 | CIA-15 | openmoko: patches/series: |
| 18:22.04 | CIA-15 | openmoko: - added kexec-atags.patch |
| 18:22.05 | CIA-15 | openmoko: patches/kexec-atags.patch: |
| 18:22.07 | CIA-15 | openmoko: - leapfrogged from upstream, |
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| 19:08.27 | gamin | hi, is there any voice memo app for the neo available? |
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| 20:28.55 | PoGo | Hi, with freerunner coming up, is it still worth buying the advance kit at 400$ or should I wait for the new model to come out? |
| 20:29.45 | br3n | PoGo, if you are not sure just give me $400 until freerunner arrives.... |
| 20:29.54 | PoGo | what is the actual speed of the processor? I red it has been upgraded to 400mhz. |
| 20:30.48 | PoGo | br3n |
| 20:31.05 | PoGo | br3n: I could do that or... I could just not ;) |
| 20:31.08 | thomasg | yes, will be 400 mhz. currently (gta01) it's 266 mhz |
| 20:31.09 | br3n | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA02 see GTA02 section in wiki |
| 20:31.31 | PoGo | so if I buy now I get 266? |
| 20:31.46 | br3n | yes, no wifi current as per wiki page |
| 20:31.59 | thomasg | yes, and no wifi and so on. I'd recommend you to wait, except you need it for testing your programs immediately |
| 20:31.59 | br3n | freerunner has wifi |
| 20:32.08 | PoGo | yeah, wifi is a bigger deal than processor speed |
| 20:32.21 | br3n | there was an advanced kit on ebay the other day..... |
| 20:32.27 | PoGo | will the freerunner be as good from a developer point of view? |
| 20:32.35 | br3n | better |
| 20:33.34 | br3n | PoGo, lot of hardware faults sorted.... |
| 20:34.07 | thomasg | well, it surely won't be perfect, but I expect it to be a good phone, so let's hope :) |
| 20:34.14 | PoGo | ok, so I guess ebay would be the way to go, if I can't wait, otherwise I should just wait a couple month. |
| 20:34.57 | PoGo | thanks a lot guys! |
| 20:35.49 | br3n | i am waiting too... |
| 20:36.13 | CVirus | we're all waiting :-) |
| 20:36.59 | PoGo | actually I'm drooling |
| 20:38.16 | PoGo | I was ready to buy when I saw the announcement, kind of a good news, bad news thing... |
| 20:39.24 | br3n | go on then be part of the (exclusive) club who own more freed up phones than anyone else.... a piece of GSM history etc etc |
| 20:41.47 | KrisAbsinthe | anyone know who is deving the settings GUI |
| 20:41.57 | PoGo | I wish... wifi and 3d accel are definitely worth the wait, but the deal is good on the advance kit right now. If freerunner comes out over 600$ I think I would still go for the neo |
| 20:42.32 | PoGo | and wait a year or two for price to go down on the freerunner |
| 20:42.37 | KrisAbsinthe | I want FreeRunner ... at least ill have two generations of phones |
| 20:43.12 | br3n | gonna be interesting to see what price of freerunner by the time they have distribution channels sorted out... |
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| 20:43.25 | PoGo | anybody got an idea of what freerunner price will be? |
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| 20:44.24 | PoGo | I really am in a dilemn... |
| 20:45.54 | KrisAbsinthe | If i had to do it again i would still get the GTA01 but only becaus ei have learned tons about embedded linux.. if your not interested in writing software and fixing bugs then i would wait |
| 20:48.24 | PoGo | KrisAbsinthe: Would you do the same thing now knowing the new version is coming |
| 20:48.59 | PoGo | I am definitely interested in the development plateforme capabilities, but I also want to use it as phone ;) |
| 20:50.00 | KrisAbsinthe | hmm. i would wait cause I live in a GSM 850 area so the Phone only works when i am at work, i have gotten about 1 hour of talk time in the last 3 months |
| 20:50.17 | PoGo | ;) |
| 20:51.46 | KrisAbsinthe | plus im a big advocate of VoIP and thats way easier with wifi. finding BT access points is a little hard |
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| 20:51.55 | br3n | PoGo, 850 prob above is north america prob only |
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| 20:53.24 | br3n | KrisAbsinthe, i saw some very anti comment by harald months ago (actually it was anti asterisk I think). Why was he so down on it? |
| 20:53.39 | br3n | i mean anti VOIP /anti asterisk |
| 20:54.44 | KrisAbsinthe | dunno. i like asterisk/VoIP . I think he may have been talking about the security. VOIP and the such is very insecure |
| 20:54.50 | PoGo | ur right about the wifi, from what I can see, 3d is far from there so it will probably ship without. |
| 20:55.11 | PoGo | wifi is a big deal for lots of mobile uses other than phone use |
| 20:55.40 | KrisAbsinthe | as soon as I get my habds on it i MUST port the aircrack suite |
| 20:56.23 | br3n | sameo has wpa2 working for gta02 now :-) |
| 20:56.30 | gamin | anyone here who wants to beta test a gps / map app? |
| 20:56.38 | PoGo | combined with the gps to locate the source... |
| 20:57.06 | KrisAbsinthe | Ill test it |
| 20:57.09 | br3n | PoGo, no GTA01/02 have gps internal |
| 20:57.40 | PoGo | I see the advance will be priced at 600, at 400$ I guess they are liquidating the last neos |
| 20:57.49 | gamin | tangogps.org - a ipkg is there... |
| 20:57.57 | gamin | and screenshots |
| 20:58.00 | KrisAbsinthe | cool |
| 20:58.06 | PoGo | oops. Thought so. |
| 20:58.16 | gamin | works with osm maps and - ehm google too |
| 21:03.03 | PoGo | I'm in canada (qc) with rogers, I think it's GSM 900. |
| 21:03.05 | zedstar_ | looks impressive gamin |
| 21:03.22 | PoGo | phone should work okay with my SIM? |
| 21:03.26 | gamin | zedstar_ - have you installed it? |
| 21:03.38 | KrisAbsinthe | return value: -22 Package (null) has no architecture defined, then crashed my xserver. ill try again |
| 21:04.01 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe: on 386 or neo? |
| 21:04.08 | KrisAbsinthe | neo |
| 21:04.12 | zedstar_ | gamin.... not yet as not in front of my neo i will do though.... so it uses gpsd for reading gps data i see |
| 21:04.36 | gamin | zedstar_ , yes, uses gpsd for now |
| 21:04.41 | br3n | gamin, on i386 ./tangogps: error while loading shared libraries: libgps.so.15: cannot open shared .... |
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| 21:04.55 | KrisAbsinthe | i was running another test app too so let me check again |
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| 21:05.18 | gamin | br3n: it is linked against libgps16 |
| 21:05.19 | zedstar_ | gamin u seen gypsy? or had a look at dbus options im interested also in alternatives to telnet'ing to gpsd |
| 21:05.43 | PoGo | excuse me for my ignorance, but how does "external gps" work (if there's no internal gps in the device)? |
| 21:06.08 | gamin | zedstar_: I like gpdfake to replay and the ability to forward gps via network on the gpsd |
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| 21:06.50 | KrisAbsinthe | PoGo: the neo has a GPS |
| 21:07.21 | zedstar_ | gamim: does the software expect glin and gpsd to be started before hand or do u handle that? |
| 21:07.33 | gamin | zedstar: no |
| 21:07.36 | PoGo | KrisAbsinthe: got it! tought GTA01 was neo |
| 21:07.45 | gamin | does handle it |
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| 21:07.55 | KrisAbsinthe | it is |
| 21:08.05 | zedstar_ | gamin ah ok nice |
| 21:08.09 | gamin | does not handle gpsd restart though as of now |
| 21:08.16 | br3n | PoGo, gta01=neo gta02=freerunner |
| 21:09.00 | br3n | gamin, apt-get install libgps16 fails to find package |
| 21:09.03 | zedstar_ | gamin i have gprs working so would be interested to try this outside with my neo....do u have gprs working? |
| 21:09.05 | gamin | comes with a .desktop file but installs it in wrong place - tomorrow that shall be fixed |
| 21:09.19 | PoGo | ok that's what I tought, I'm just confused by br3n statement: "no GTA01/02 have gps internal" |
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| 21:09.33 | PoGo | so GTA01 has gps, GTA02 has wifi |
| 21:09.44 | br3n | PoGo, means they both have gps |
| 21:09.46 | gamin | br3n: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=libgps&version=all&subword=1&exact=&arch=any&releases=all&case=insensitive&searchon=names |
| 21:09.47 | KrisAbsinthe | GTA02 has both lol |
| 21:10.03 | PoGo | lol |
| 21:10.18 | puika | http://lostworlds.lv/go.php?1139637493 |
| 21:10.18 | br3n | READ THE WIKI |
| 21:10.21 | gamin | zedstar_: yes, but am loading maps before going out |
| 21:10.31 | gamin | gprs too expensive here |
| 21:10.42 | PoGo | missed a coma or something, but I'm okay now ;) |
| 21:10.49 | PoGo | thanks for the clarification |
| 21:10.56 | br3n | gamin, zedstar there is script to dl OSM maps on NAVIT wiki page |
| 21:11.07 | gamin | br3n: I see, I should link against somethin else :/ |
| 21:11.53 | PoGo | still could get wifi for a couple month wait and a couple hundred box. Arrrgh! I just want one now ;) |
| 21:11.57 | KrisAbsinthe | OK, tangGPS installs and loads well. let me check on the maps |
| 21:12.09 | gamin | br3n: well, it downloads and caches while you pan around. -> is very server friendly |
| 21:12.24 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe: cool |
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| 21:13.19 | zedstar_ | gamin will take my neo out tomorrow and give it a run |
| 21:13.41 | gamin | great |
| 21:14.11 | mwester | PoGo: Canada is 850MHz GSM, not 900MHz :( |
| 21:14.43 | zedstar_ | gamin if u wanna try my app also which requires gps and gprs connection that wud be cool....the gps micro blogging part of it |
| 21:14.51 | br3n | gamin, yeh but even downloading OSM maps on desktop is slow at times.... a cache for your "city" would be nice and if you have big SD card quite easy |
| 21:15.22 | br3n | gamin, in the long term :-) |
| 21:15.36 | gamin | zedstar_ what is your app? |
| 21:15.40 | PoGo | mwester: serious, sounds risky |
| 21:15.54 | gamin | br3n: as I said, you can doit :) |
| 21:16.07 | zedstar_ | gamin can create and account and get the ipks as thumbtribes.mobi |
| 21:16.12 | KrisAbsinthe | brb gotta go outside to get a fix |
| 21:16.23 | gamin | josch has adapted the navit script for tangogps |
| 21:17.05 | PoGo | mwester: thanks for the info, it does matter |
| 21:17.24 | gamin | zedstar_ - I have not fully understood that |
| 21:17.26 | br3n | gamin, ok! (u haven't seen my C skills ha!) |
| 21:17.55 | zedstar_ | gamin: which bit |
| 21:18.06 | gamin | br3n: the ode is a holy mess, but I'm going to clean it up. |
| 21:18.31 | gamin | zedstar_ all this: gamin can create and account and get the ipks as thumbtribes.mobi |
| 21:18.46 | gamin | where doI reate an account? |
| 21:18.51 | gamin | create |
| 21:19.07 | zedstar_ | gamin to download the software etc... on the site....the client logs into the account u create |
| 21:19.11 | gamin | where do I get ipkgs and which? |
| 21:19.28 | zedstar_ | gamin http://thumbtribes.mobi/beta/node/3 |
| 21:20.02 | gamin | lol, I completly missed out that .mobi is a tld :) |
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| 21:20.27 | zedstar_ | gamin lol yeh |
| 21:22.09 | gamin | zedstar_ ok, will check it out |
| 21:22.24 | zedstar_ | gamin cheers....dont know many people who have gprs working! |
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| 21:25.03 | br3n | zedstar, which is good pay-as-you-go sim for GPRS or 3G data rate in UK? |
| 21:25.52 | zedstar_ | br3n most i think now cap 1 pound a day.... tmobile and vodafone i know do |
| 21:26.27 | zedstar_ | u can get the sims very cheap so just try a selection and see which works for u |
| 21:26.38 | br3n | zedstar, on 02 at mo but will investigate - thanks |
| 21:27.17 | zedstar_ | i have scripts for vodafone if u need them |
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| 21:28.18 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe: are you back? |
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| 21:29.56 | KrisAbsinthe | not getting a Fix |
| 21:30.14 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe: how comes? |
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| 21:30.37 | gamin | gllin and gpsd work quite reliably here |
| 21:31.35 | KrisAbsinthe | AH. the OM panel says the GPS was off. let me try again |
| 21:31.55 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe: nc localhost 2947 |
| 21:32.03 | gamin | connets to gpsd |
| 21:32.10 | gamin | then r |
| 21:32.33 | gamin | this retrieves the nmea messages |
| 21:33.10 | KrisAbsinthe | ive never had a problem with this before. I export my GPS to my laptop all the time BRB |
| 21:37.17 | zedstar | gamin... i moved to my neo and installed it...will finish my beer and go outside with my neo :) |
| 21:38.02 | gamin | zedstar: hope there is good weather where you live :) |
| 21:38.50 | zedstar | gamin well not in england :) i have been getting fixes easily tho with this receiver |
| 21:39.23 | gamin | hmm, here it is 12°C |
| 21:39.54 | gamin | but on your island you still use miles, don't you :P |
| 21:41.23 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe: MIA? |
| 21:41.52 | zedstar | i use km tho is easier for this stuff ! |
| 21:42.40 | gamin | zedstar and you do you drive on the right side too ? 8) |
| 21:43.19 | zedstar | gamin ive got a left hand side drive car tho which is kinda odd here! |
| 21:44.38 | zedstar | gamin... before i go outside and freeze my nuts off.... i started the app.... gpsd isnt running it appears...shud it be already? |
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| 21:45.09 | gamin | zedstar:no, the app picks it up when it becomes avail |
| 21:45.34 | zedstar | gamin ah ok....i see....u reading the gllin pipe first? |
| 21:45.36 | gamin | but you need to restart the app, when you restart gpsd |
| 21:46.13 | gamin | yes, I start gpsd before glli |
| 21:46.21 | gamin | and no cat |
| 21:46.35 | gamin | I start gpsd with -n switch |
| 21:47.03 | gamin | gllin with -period 1 |
| 21:48.10 | zedstar | gamin ok so when i get outside im just gonna run tangogps from the command line ok? |
| 21:48.24 | gamin | you can do already |
| 21:49.01 | zedstar | ok brb |
| 21:49.04 | gamin | and you can check if gpsd is fine with "nc localhost 2947" and then type "r" |
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| 21:52.29 | KrisAbsinthe_ | That sucked, lost power a minute |
| 21:52.59 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe_ - means what, battery empty? |
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| 21:53.37 | KrisAbsinthe_ | no this is my desktop, damn humidifier blew a fuse |
| 21:54.10 | cesarb | KrisAbsinthe_: that's why one should always have a UPS... |
| 21:54.28 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe_: did you get a fix? |
| 21:54.45 | KrisAbsinthe_ | no still nothing, let me check my nmeaNP file |
| 21:55.13 | gamin | can you "nc localhost 2947" and then type "r"? |
| 21:55.24 | KrisAbsinthe_ | im an idiot, forgot i just flashed with a new image |
| 21:57.09 | zedstar | gamin got it working |
| 21:57.21 | gamin | yeah! |
| 21:57.50 | gamin | I like the trip meter |
| 21:58.08 | KrisAbsinthe_ | i thought that was a great idea |
| 21:58.10 | zedstar | gamin but it didnt work from scratch......was not getting fix so i quit and manually started gllin and gpsd |
| 21:58.34 | zedstar | gamin i made sure i could get a fix in my app then fired up your app and it worked |
| 21:58.46 | gamin | ah! |
| 21:59.36 | zedstar | gamin i actually manually start them for my app... not bothered to automate as waiting to see what alternative methods like dbus come out |
| 22:00.41 | zedstar | gamin so i take it i need some maps of london downloaded before hand if i want to try this properly? |
| 22:01.09 | gamin | zedstar: yes, makes sense |
| 22:02.12 | gamin | actually i start it remote via ssh on my desktop, that makes panning bigger areas a lot faster |
| 22:03.14 | zedstar | gamin.. well i + to zoom in is it actually downloading tiles? |
| 22:03.56 | gamin | yes, but it saves them into /tmp - you may want to change this |
| 22:04.44 | zedstar | ah i see em... yeh sd card probably |
| 22:05.13 | gamin | yes, then it survives reflashing too... |
| 22:06.17 | zedstar | i wondered why it was slow clicking + downloading on my gprs lol |
| 22:07.29 | gamin | zedstar - lol, the ipkg is just 26KB, yes kilobyte! not much space for maps :o) |
| 22:08.28 | gamin | zedstar - but it is quite quick once the maps are cached |
| 22:08.33 | zedstar | gamin im trying to zoom into the red dot now on the map to see how much detail it shows |
| 22:08.37 | zedstar | yeh |
| 22:09.23 | KrisAbsinthe_ | ok whatever, i cant get mine to fix , thats what i get for using unstable builds i guess |
| 22:09.55 | zedstar | gamin ive set it to store on the media card.. what method i use to download the maps to there if i wanna cache before hand |
| 22:10.00 | gamin | well, but you can use the mappart without gps |
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| 22:10.38 | gamin | zedstar: josch has a script for doing so |
| 22:10.48 | zedstar | on the wiki? |
| 22:11.01 | KrisAbsinthe_ | anyway, great job the app is beautiful just what i need. |
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| 22:11.22 | gamin | no, you need to ask him. I'll ask him too and put it on the web page |
| 22:11.23 | zedstar | yeh great job.....wanna use the gps more |
| 22:11.51 | KrisAbsinthe_ | its come a long way since i got it in october |
| 22:12.18 | zedstar | gamin u coded this all from scratch or a port of an app? |
| 22:12.44 | gamin | Its come a long way since I wrote the first gps app in 2003 for familiar on ipaq :) |
| 22:13.16 | KrisAbsinthe_ | at the very least the neo is the cheapest handhelp GPS on the market haha |
| 22:13.23 | zedstar | ah ok...didnt think u just did this since owning a neo! that would be really impressive! |
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| 22:13.58 | gamin | zedstar: all from scratch, though I know the code of the older maemo-mapper versions |
| 22:13.59 | KrisAbsinthe_ | im impressed |
| 22:14.51 | gamin | zedstar: if you sit down and now some gtk and gps basics already, you can do it six weeks fulltime |
| 22:14.56 | zedstar | has to be the best new app on the neo ive seen |
| 22:15.20 | KrisAbsinthe_ | i have to agree |
| 22:16.21 | KrisAbsinthe_ | unlike navit, i hate that app |
| 22:17.18 | zedstar | brb beer |
| 22:17.27 | gamin | navit is technically interesting, but I wanted usability |
| 22:17.47 | gamin | speed |
| 22:18.10 | KrisAbsinthe_ | exactly. i hated the layout, tango has a good UI and great functions I wanted to have |
| 22:19.02 | gamin | well, more to come :) |
| 22:19.42 | KrisAbsinthe_ | sweet, now i have to incorporate map backup into the app im making |
| 22:20.28 | gamin | actually I'm a server guy. I'm doing this only to get a frontend for a friendlocation database - lol |
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| 22:20.51 | KrisAbsinthe_ | lol |
| 22:21.02 | zedstar_ | gamin u gonna plot friends on map? |
| 22:21.26 | gamin | I want to, I always miss this functionality in my life |
| 22:21.40 | KrisAbsinthe_ | that has some good applications for corporations |
| 22:22.08 | zedstar_ | i love all these kind of aps |
| 22:22.27 | KrisAbsinthe_ | i totally agree. |
| 22:22.31 | zedstar_ | lot of people bitch about the privacy issues |
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| 22:23.04 | KrisAbsinthe_ | I have nothing to hide. I really dont care if people know where I am |
| 22:23.14 | KrisAbsinthe_ | maybe they will bring me beer |
| 22:23.21 | gamin | zedstar_: only some subset of geeks. most people have noidea |
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| 22:23.59 | gamin | the plan is tohave the friend server up for fosdem |
| 22:24.14 | zedstar_ | i once had a meeting with some guy in a well know gsm company and discussed the "hookers and drug dealer model" of locating various things |
| 22:24.33 | gamin | lol |
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| 22:25.08 | KrisAbsinthe_ | I would be upset if i was monitored by the authorities, would remind me of 1984 |
| 22:25.14 | KrisAbsinthe_ | NEO 1984 lol |
| 22:25.21 | zedstar_ | lol |
| 22:25.40 | gamin | I should rename it :oP |
| 22:25.52 | zedstar_ | yeh but there is a demand for people to hook up with others i think...for whatever reason |
| 22:26.15 | KrisAbsinthe_ | oh i agree. look at 'Boost Mobile' people pay extra for this |
| 22:27.09 | zedstar_ | i think a openmoko device targetting this market would be great |
| 22:27.45 | KrisAbsinthe_ | if enough people buy into the OM movement it stands to revamp the entire industry |
| 22:28.13 | KrisAbsinthe_ | i was thinking of writing an app to encrypt your voice connections |
| 22:28.15 | gamin | zedstar_: if everything else works reliably, powermanagement,phonecalls, sms, then yes, people would buy it just for that |
| 22:28.35 | zedstar_ | im wondering what apple gonna do with their sdk next month...they have some pseudo location stuff....good enough for locating certain things |
| 22:29.26 | KrisAbsinthe_ | cant wait till somone port OM to the iPhone |
| 22:30.58 | mjr | that's closed-ass hardware *shrug* |
| 22:31.29 | KrisAbsinthe_ | I still think it *could* happen |
| 22:32.06 | mjr | it can, but it's uninteresting |
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| 22:32.29 | KrisAbsinthe_ | i agree, it would be much better all around to just buy the GTA02 |
| 22:36.25 | zedstar_ | wow this beer and antibiotics is kicking in :) |
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| 22:41.06 | Ebbe | gamin: I saw you want to make a program to show friends on a map. Have you seen the project http://projects.openmoko.org/projects/visualgps/ ? It is about that |
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| 22:42.44 | gamin | Ebbe: ah nice |
| 22:44.09 | gamin | GLS Enterprise Server. Wow. |
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| 22:44.33 | gamin | I just want to have a nice personal thingy, though. |
| 22:45.13 | Ebbe | Okay. But why? |
| 22:45.42 | gamin | my app is not yet that advanced, I'm still 0.1 - they are already 2.0beta3. |
| 22:46.19 | gamin | Ebbe: we'll see. |
| 22:46.29 | gamin | this will come either way. |
| 22:47.34 | br3n | gamin, Ebbe - gps drive also have a friends server i think? |
| 22:48.23 | Ebbe | br3n: Where can I see that? |
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| 22:48.56 | br3n | http://www.gpsdrive.de/screenshots/index.shtml |
| 22:49.25 | gamin | Ebbe: you are developing on GLS? |
| 22:49.53 | br3n | Ebbe, middle of features page |
| 22:49.55 | Ebbe | gamin: Yep |
| 22:50.22 | Ebbe | br3n: Nice. Thanks for the info |
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| 22:52.21 | KrisAbsinthe_ | hope i can get a fix inside, otherwise I have no way to DL new tiles |
| 22:53.05 | cesarb | KrisAbsinthe_: In my experience, it helps if you already got a fix outside |
| 22:53.31 | KrisAbsinthe_ | ill try that then , again. maybe it will work |
| 22:53.46 | cesarb | KrisAbsinthe_: perhaps it uses the last known location or something like that to help getting the fix faster |
| 22:54.12 | KrisAbsinthe_ | never had a fix on this app yet |
| 22:54.47 | cesarb | KrisAbsinthe_: not in the app, but in the driver |
| 22:54.47 | KrisAbsinthe_ | nope it gllin, looks like ill have to downgrade |
| 22:55.18 | zedstar_ | u could try just gllin and gpsd and telnet to it to see if that works |
| 22:55.28 | KrisAbsinthe_ | having assertion errors apparently |
| 22:55.47 | KrisAbsinthe_ | what port? |
| 22:55.51 | zedstar_ | 2947 |
| 22:55.54 | KrisAbsinthe_ | thx |
| 22:56.34 | zedstar_ | start gpsd after with gpsd -p /tmp/.... whatever the pipe is spelt |
| 22:58.22 | zedstar_ | actually just cat'ing the pipe and looking for the fix in the nmea stuff also |
| 22:59.26 | KrisAbsinthe_ | brb gonna watch nmeaNP outside |
| 23:03.01 | cdbot2 | * * OM Bug 1212 has been created by ebbe(AT)skummer.com |
| 23:03.01 | cdbot2 | * * If contacts have a null entry, messages will seg fault |
| 23:03.02 | cdbot2 | * * http://bugzilla.openmoko.org/cgi-bin/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1212 |
| 23:07.35 | KrisAbsinthe_ | O-Fcuking-KAY is /dev/ttyS3 the GPS |
| 23:09.56 | zedstar_ | not sure.....gllin does its magic and writes out to a named pipe which u then read |
| 23:10.44 | gamin | KrisAbsinthe_: it downloads new tiles while you pan |
| 23:11.46 | gamin | I start the gpsd with "gpsd -n /tmp/nmeaNP" |
| 23:11.46 | KrisAbsinthe_ | ah thats nice |
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| 23:16.32 | gamin | google maps are http://mt0.google.com/mt?n=404&v=w2.66&x=%d&y=%d&zoom=%d&s=Galile, but check with a lawyer first :) |
| 23:17.25 | gamin | create a new repo and additionally tick "inversed"! |
| 23:17.44 | gamin | otherwise hell breakes loose |
| 23:21.38 | cesarb | Great, when I think I finally made things work, I get an impossible Oops from the kernel |
| 23:21.47 | cesarb | A null pointer dereference |
| 23:21.52 | xaid | cesarb: which kernel version? |
| 23:22.10 | cesarb | Writing to a pointer it read four instructions before |
| 23:22.18 | cesarb | With interrupts disabled |
| 23:22.31 | cesarb | xaid: my experimental 2.6.24 cpufreq one |
| 23:23.07 | xaid | cesarb: im having strange issues with 2.6.23, something wrong in filemap.c when im doing heavy io |
| 23:23.28 | xaid | it seems like a different issue though :) |
| 23:23.30 | cesarb | I mean, it *reads* from r2+36, does a couple of ands and one or, and then tries to *write* to the exact same location, but now somehow r2 became zero! |
| 23:23.48 | cesarb | xaid: it obviously is, it's crashing on my code... but in a way which Cannot Happen |
| 23:26.00 | cesarb | ...and to make things even more strange, the register which gets the value to be or'ed with the other one has an impossible value too |
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| 23:47.07 | cesarb | I think jumping from 45MHz HCLK to 266MHz HCLK is not a good idea, and that's what the code is doing... |
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